#2836 RHOA S1610: Hampered by Porsha

Summary

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Episode: #2836 RHOA S1610: Hampered by Porsha
Release Date: May 12, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam | Wondery

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Introduction

In episode #2836 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the latest drama unfolding in The Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 16, Episode 10 titled "Hampered by Porsha." Alongside their usual humorous and candid commentary on Bravo's hottest shows, Ronnie shares an entertaining personal anecdote that sets the stage for the day's discussions.

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Ronnie’s Mother’s Day Movie Experience

Ronnie opens the episode by recounting her tumultuous experience at a movie theater on Mother's Day, where she attended the horror flick "Sinners" with her mother. The outing quickly devolves into chaos due to disruptive, intoxicated patrons, leading to a series of confrontations.

• Disruptive Audience: Ronnie describes two front-row girls who were heavily intoxicated, frequently engaging in loud conversations and even dancing during the movie.

  "The girls start having full, full-on full-voice conversations in the movie. This is a very serious movie, you know." (05:03)

• Attempted Intervention: Frustrated by the lack of respect for the film, Ronnie attempts to silence them, escalating the situation. Her efforts to involve the theater manager ultimately backfire, resulting in tense stares and a prolonged awkward encounter.

  "I went out to get the manager, and he just tells them to be quiet and leaves. Now they're glaring at me." (07:35)

• Family Dynamics: The situation intensifies as Ronnie’s father tries to mediate by introducing the disruptive girls to religion, further complicating her already fraught mother-daughter outing.

  "He was introducing this girl to Jesus. That's what he was. Proselytizing to a drunk girl in a movie." (12:02)

• Emotional Aftermath: Ronnie expresses her frustration with the movie industry and the declining experience of watching films in theaters due to such disruptions.

  "This is making people not want to go to the movies as these fucking idiots watching videos during movies and talking. It's enough." (14:54)

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Deep Dive into The Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 16, Episode 10

Shifting gears, Ben and Ronnie analyze the latest episode of RHOA, focusing on the escalating tensions between main cast members portia and Shamia.

• Character Dynamics:

  • Portia vs. Shamia: The central conflict revolves around Portia feeling overshadowed by Shamia’s growing independence and success, leading to jealousy and strained friendships.

    "Shamia is coming into her own and Portia doesn’t like it. It’s tearing their friendship apart." (69:33)

  • Supporting Characters: The hosts discuss supporting characters like Ralph and Dennis, highlighting their roles in exacerbating the main conflict.

    "Ralph is just a piece of crap. He’s dragging everyone else down with his antics." (22:16)

• Key Plot Points:

  • Wedding Drama: Portia’s absence from Shamia’s wedding in Kenya becomes a significant point of contention, revealing deeper issues in their friendship.

    "Portia didn’t go to the wedding because their relationship was already shaky. It wasn’t just about the distance." (65:45)

  • Investment Property Saga: Kelly's struggles with overpriced investment properties add another layer of drama, showcasing the financial tensions among the cast.

    "Kelly’s house is not the $3 million she claimed. It’s just not that." (34:09)

• Emotional and Psychological Insights:

  • Therapy and Self-Help: The episode delves into the ineffective attempts at therapy by characters like Drew and Dr. Ken, highlighting the lack of genuine resolution.

    "Dr. Ken thinks he's helping, but all he's doing is giving generic advice that doesn't address the real issues." (52:14)

  • Friendship and Betrayal: The hosts emphasize the fragile nature of friendships on reality TV, especially when personal ambitions interfere.

    "The classic sidekick wants to become the main character, leading to inevitable drama and fallout." (58:31)

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Analysis and Conclusions

Ben and Ronnie wrap up their discussion by reflecting on the broader implications of the season's drama. They critique the shallow foundations of the conflicts and the lack of substantive resolutions, predicting further turmoil in upcoming episodes.

• Predicting Future Drama: The hosts anticipate that the unresolved tensions will continue to fester, leading to more confrontations and possible fallout among the cast.

  "We’re going to see more violence in their relationships because the underlying issues haven't been addressed." (70:08)

• Personal Reflections: Ronnie connects her personal story to the episode’s themes, drawing parallels between dealing with unruly behavior and managing tumultuous relationships.

  "Just like in my movie experience, when you try to control the chaos, it often spirals out of control." (15:22)

• Final Thoughts: The episode concludes with a hopeful yet critical outlook on the show's direction, with Ben and Ronnie expressing both frustration and anticipation for how the cast will navigate their complex relationships.

  "It’s a shit show that's brewing, and I’m surprised they’re only now emphasizing this storyline so deeply into the season." (67:18)

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Notable Quotes

• Ronnie on the Movie Experience:

  "It was a very eventful Mother's Day. Do you want to hear what happened to me?" (04:48)

• Ben on RHOA Dynamics:

  "Portia doesn't want to lose Shamia as her sidekick, and Shamia is fighting to find her own place. It’s a classic reality TV rivalry." (58:23)

• Ronnie on Therapy Effectiveness:

  "Has Dr. Ken ever given anybody good advice? No, it's not working for anyone." (52:28)

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Conclusion

Episode #2836 of Watch What Crappens offers a blend of personal storytelling and sharp analysis of the latest happenings in The Real Housewives of Atlanta. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide insightful, humorous, and sometimes scathing commentary, making it a must-listen for fans eager to stay updated and entertained by Bravo's dynamic reality TV landscape.

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Transcript

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

Watch what happens. Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much.

[Ronnie]

What happens?

[Ben]

There's so much that crappens.

[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hi, Ben.

[Ben]

Hi. How's it going?

[Ronnie]

Good. We just got back from an amazing Texas weekend. So much fun on tour. We are gonna be in Vegas this Thursday night at Wise Guys Comedy Las Vegas, Nevada. You've heard of it. Come see us. It's gonna be so much fun. Then in June, we're finishing off the tour in Seattle and Los Angeles. Get your t at watch what crappens.com. you can also find links to our Patreon and that's where you find all of the videos which are on right now. Video recaps. Also our trailer trash previews, which is where we go over the trailers for new shows and go frame by frame. We just did Miami Next Gen nyc. What else? We also will be recapping Love island there starting in June. So go over to Patreon for all of that good stuff.

[Ben]

Well, we, we also, we did a road trip in Texas and we set up our cameras on Ronnie's dashboard. And so we are going to have our, our normal road trip bonus episode, which is normally audio. This time we'll have video. So that's very exciting and I am looking forward to it. I, I made a, an animation because that's what I do these days. And it's really janky and stupid, but I just want to show, just want to say I'm that excited about our, our Texas road trip videos.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it was a good time. So those will be the couple of weeks coming up. So join us over at Patreon for those. Happy Mother's Day late to everybody. I got back yesterday morning. I got up early so I could drive back from Dallas and make Mother's Day. Wow. What a Mother's Day. Do you want to hear what happened to me?

[Ben]

I mean, I'm sensing something happened. I'm.

[Ronnie]

It was eventful. Okay. If you don't want to hear a personal story, fast forward five minutes because I have to, I have to tell you guys what happened. Okay. So I go to see Sinners, right? Because my mom loves a good horror Flick.

[Ben]

So do I. Oh, yeah, I want to see that.

[Ronnie]

This has been getting, you know, crazy reviews. It's made all this money, everybody's loving it. So we go see sinners. So I live in a lake town, right? And there is some. The weekends, people get shit faced. I mean, there's some lake trash up in lake town, let's just be honest. So these two girls sit in the front row with us, and they are shit faced. I mean, wild. They've got short shorts, you know, cut up, you know, way past their butts. Their butt cheeks are hanging out. Which my mother is like, what the hell? Who raised you? But she, you know, she didn't say that, but she's already perturbed. So these girls sit down, they're shit faced, they're ordering drinks because it's one of those movie theaters where you can just order food and drinks. So they're getting wasted. So they start talking and I'm like, you know what, Ronnie? Don't be a Karen. They're just some girls out having fun. But then they just start having full, full on full voice conversations in the movie. This is a very serious movie, you know. So I went, you know, girls, be quiet. Come on. And they're like, sorry. So then they keep talking. So then like another half an hour later, girls, come on now they're sorry. Finally, an hour and a half into this movie, finally the vampires show up. Because it's a vampire movie. The vampires don't even come out for an hour and a half, okay? So I've got my mom on one side of me going, what kind of vampire movie is this? There's no vampires in it. So she's pissed and she's like, tell those girls to shut up. So finally I just went, shut up, fog. Like, I yelled at them and then they looked at me, okay? So there's a lot of music in here as well. So she stands up with her beer and she starts dancing.

[Ben]

Standing up and dancing in the movie theater. Like she's at a concert.

[Ronnie]

No, like sexy dancing, you know, she's like, yeah.

[Ben]

And.

[Ronnie]

So finally the vampires are here in the movie. And I'm like, I'm not missing this part. I've been waiting for an hour and a half through all of this drama. I want to see some people fighting vampires, right? So I go out to get the people, whatever that takes forever too, because there's a line to get to the manager, and I'm like, here I am, a fucking Karen on Mother's Day. I hated that you're not a Karen. So I get them to finally come after taking like five to 10 minutes to get them to even come in. All he does is go over there and go, please be quiet, and then leaves. So of course, now they're glaring at me because they know I tattled on them because he followed me right back in there. And now I've already yelled at them, by the way, and cursed them out. So now they're glaring at me. So the. The credits finally roll. I miss, by the way, everybody getting killed. I miss the whole.

[Ben]

Okay, because that happens in 10 minutes. Enough about the story. Let's not talk about what happened in the movie since I'm planning to see it tonight, but let's come on movie.

[Ronnie]

Like, so I miss all the death and destruction. Okay, so I'm pissed. I'm already pissed. I come back, everybody's dead. Everybody who dies is dead. So I'm already pissed. So then the credits start rolling, and I'm like, these girls are going to videotape me. Because another thing I forgot to mention was after they got in trouble, she starts watching videos on her phone at full volume on the phone with the speaker.

[Ben]

Oh, my God. So why didn't you take a video of them? You should have taken.

[Ronnie]

So that's what I did. I started videotaping this girl because I saw her get up at the credits, and she just walked like she was watching the credits. I could tell she was kind of nervous, but I was like, this girl's nervous. She's going to totally come over and try and make, like, some TikTok video of me being a Karen, right? So I start taping her, and you can't really see because this guy is on my leg. And I'm just, you know, being subtle. So sure enough, she comes over. My mom gets up to go pee because my mom's about to beat this girl up. I said, mom, don't start a public confrontation. I'm already fighting with them. Just go to the bathroom. So she gets up and leaves. So she comes and sits down in my mom's seat, and she starts posing. And her friend comes over and starts videotaping us while she's, like, posing. So I start posing with her and, like, making kisses to the camera. And so I turned the phone so that she could see that she was being recorded. Well, first of all, I'm filming her friend, and I was like, oh, hey, that's the asshole girl who was drunk in the movie. Now she's wasted in filming me. And then I had to Turn the camera around or whatever. So I pressed stop and rerecord and the flash came on because. So now I've got the flash in this girl's face and she deserves it. She's like, I just don't understand what I did to you to be such an to me. And I said, oh, I'm the. Do you know how much a movie costs? And I had to sit here and listen to your and watch you porn. Dancing to the movie. And then you were singing the hymnals along with the Nazi vampires. Are you kidding me? That's what you got? I was like, you're the in the situation. I'm sorry. You seem very nice, like you have every right to go get get shit face. And I said, and don't feel bad. I've been the drunk girl. That's annoying everybody, okay? I've been where you are many times, but people have told me to shut the fuck up too. And that's what you got. You got a good shut the fuck up. So she's like, yeah, but you didn't have to be so mean. I said, you didn't have to be so loud. Are you just gonna sit here? She goes, yeah. So I'm still filming her and she's just pouting at me. She's like looking directly into the camera, like pouting. So then the movie comes back on because it's one of those fucking movies where the credits roll and then there's more movies and it doesn't take. It's not like a quick little scene like a Marvel movie. It's a ten minute scene. And this girl sat there and pouted at me for 10 minutes. It was so awkward, man. I couldn't even get to the end of the movie. Her friend was mortified because I'm still filming them both because she's filming.

[Ben]

I hope you put this on. You should put this online. You have to put this video online. I'm sorry. I need to see this person. She needs to be publicly shamed for talking in the theater like this.

[Ronnie]

I know. So then the best. Finally it ends. And I'm not gonna get up because I'm not gonna let her win, right? So I just sat there filming her and she was pouting under the camera the whole time. I don't know if she wanted me to hug her or what. Like, she seemed actually kind of nice. So I get up and she's just staring at me. And I said, well, that was a. That was a weird fun movie, right? She went, uh huh. And I said, okay, Well, I guess we're done. Peace. And, like, I gave her deuces and got up and walked off. My dad stays in the theater. Oh, my God. With this girl. And he's like, you need to dry out, like, lecturing. So I go out. My mom's waiting by the tickets. She's furious because she's been there now, like, 10, 15 minutes. So she's like, where have you been standing here?

[Ben]

La la, la, la, la.

[Ronnie]

I don't feel good. My back hurts. I'm sitting here waiting for you. I said, well, that girl tried it with me, so I had to talk to her. And she said, where's your father? He's probably in there telling this girl she needs to meet Jesus. Well, sure enough, five minutes later, he comes out holding this girl's hand, and she's giggling. Boyfriend and girlfriend, okay? She's like, man. He's like, listen, it's a quick introduction. You know, all you need to do is invite him into your life. And you can come with me. You know, we have a great church, and it's not stuffy like normal churches. They have a band and, you know, it's great. Just call me and I'll take you. You can come with me and my wife. Come to church. I said, mom, I told you. He was introducing this girl to fucking Jesus. And that's what he was. He was proselytizing to a drunk girl in the movie Sinners. I can't. With these people. Like, you can't make this shit up.

[Ben]

Wow, that is like. I'm so full of rage against this girl. We literally just talked on our little road trip about, like, why I don't go to the movies that much anymore. It's because people don't know how to behave in them. And this is a perfect example. And when confronted, it's like, why do you have to be so mean? It's like you're the one who's talking during a movie. Like, there are repercussions of these things. I'm begging you. You don't have to post the whole thing. I am begging you. Put a little bit up so people can see who this idiot was, because it's time. Okay, you know what? We're. I don't care about the movie Sinners anymore. I care about the movie Shamers because it is time for people in movie theaters to be publicly shamed for talking, especially for being drunk, especially for standing up and dancing. Like, no, I've had enough. This has to. Like the movie. The movie industry has to get behind this, because this is making people not want to go to the movies as these fucking idiots watching videos during movies and talking. It's enough. Too much. Stop it. It starts with you, Ronnie, shaming this girl on the Internet.

[Ronnie]

Of course my father is proselytizing. I was. He was literally telling her, all you need to meet Jesus is just invite him in. Just come on over to our church. I was like, tad, we just watched Sinners. Like, really? You're going to proselytize after that? Oh, my God.

[Ben]

Oh.

[Ronnie]

So then the movie theater. I was like, you were actually really nice about that. So here's some free passes. Not to get better, to do that. And they were like, no, no, no, take them, whatever. I'm sorry you had a bad experience. So I leave and I get home and I'm. I'm like, I'm gonna put these passes somewhere safe so I can actually use them. They're from 2024. They expired in 2024.

[Ben]

Those fuckers. Those faces. That was the chain top. I would. Okay, now it's time for you to publicly shame that movie theater.

[Ronnie]

No.

[Ben]

Let's get nothing but shame happening today. This is. I am furious. I was in such a happy mood. I was like, oh. Sitting down, I was like, oh, what a nice day. I'm ready. I'm recharged. I'm ready to podcast. And now I am full of so much venom. I am so angry right now.

[Ronnie]

I mean, by the time I left, I was cracking up, but the whole movie, I was filled with this rage, you know, because it wasn't just normal talking. It was like, blah, blah, blah, blah, like, having full conversations. And they just kept bringing the more and more beers, and you could hear all the beers clinking. I was like, I'm going to kill these girls. So it's this.

[Ben]

I would never go back.

[Ronnie]

I was, like, stressing out the whole movie.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So Cinders was marked by these girls.

[Ben]

You can't. You can't enjoy a movie like that. Like, I would actually. Honestly, I wouldn't even go back to that theater, because if they're not even going to. Willing to really, like, take care of people who are disrupting for everyone else, for people who paid money, just that way they can, like, sell more beers. I'd be like, fuck you. You don't care about me as a patron, so I'm not coming back here. And you're also gonna, like, mollify the situation with expired movie passes? No, thank you. You should shut down. And this is why people are not going to the movies?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Well, I just died that my dad was trying to turn her to Jesus's side. I was like, seriously?

[Ben]

I. Like, we have two totally different takeaways. You're like, isn't that crazy? My dad tried to convert her to candy.

[Ronnie]

It's just so my dad.

[Ben]

I'm like, I can't believe the movie industry.

[Ronnie]

It's just so my dad. Like, you know what? Look at this as an opportunity to get somebody else to Jesus. And I was like, oh, come on. All right, so anyway, here we are with some Real Housewives of Atlanta.

[Ben]

All right, all right. Well, we begin with some shots of around Atlanta. And we're Kelly's townhouse, and she's in there, and she's got all her daughters in there. And her daughters are like, they're like, arranging a meal. And like, one of her daughters is, like, serving very formally, and her other daughter does not appreciate it. And that was very unfortunate. But Chloe is saying that she got some bees, and she's talking about her grades and. And Kelly is saying, like, yeah, well, you know, I know, like, go tell your dad. She starts talking about how she and she co parents with Chloe's dad because her dad is a different dad than everyone else's, and everyone else's dad is a monster. But Chloe's dad is actually. He's. He's actually pretty. Pretty. Okay. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So they're besties, her and the first dad. And then the kids are serving each other food. One of her. She's serving food, and they're talking about the new house that they're moving and their new dog. And Kelly's like, that our house is like a sorority house. You know, we get the whole thing. Like, we're just girls, girls living together. Like, this might be a good time to sit them down and tell them how to behave in sinners. So then, yes, we see that she's getting a new house because this has been very difficult. They normally have 7,000 square feet, okay? So it's been very difficult to live in a townhouse. So I'm trying to muster up some tears for them, but they don't come well.

[Ben]

And then especially since half that townhouse is filled with waffles. So they're just like. There's just no room for anyone.

[Ronnie]

She's like, you know what? My ex husband thought it was inappropriate to be giving my girls round beds, but they're made out of waffles.

[Ben]

So, yeah, we see a little flashback of her talking to a realtor about what she wants, and they're just all. It's just kind of like a me and my girls kind of scene. It's really, really like nothing happens. So now we go over to Verdure and Shamia. Slow motion exit out of her car, walks into the restaurant ver door, and lo and behold, guess who was there. Who has crawled out of the basement. It's Ralph. Ralph Pittman is sitting there having a shooting. Shooting a scene with Shamia.

[Ronnie]

This is gross, and I don't know why Portia gets all the shit online and Shamia doesn't get the shit online when Shamia is going out with Ralph. That's a pretty gross move, I think. And don't worry, Portia comes too, so she deserves some of it too. But Portia is doing a tit for tat. I don't know what the Shami is doing. She says it's okay for her to do it. It's, like, fine for her to go out with some, like, you know, emotionally abusive stalker ex, because in her case, she's. She's done a podcast with him, but they weren't, like, doing a podcast. She was guesting on a podcast with him or I don't know, and I don't know what it was.

[Ben]

She even admits that she met Ralph through Drew. Like, this is definitely, I think, a violation of girl code. I mean, Portia obviously gets shit because Portia has made such a fuss about filming. And then here she shows up and Ralph is there, and she can say, oh, I didn't know Ralph was gonna be there. But Portia is not like some passive, you know, person on this experience. If she didn't want to film with Ralph, she would have walked out that restaurant. And Portia, Portia's totally the type that would do that. So the fact that she sat down.

[C]

There was like, oh, I didn't even know that Ralph was here.

[Ben]

It's like, okay, we know what you're doing, Portia. We know.

[Ronnie]

I do not believe you. But Ralph's like, yeah, you know, since we. We do this podcast, you know, we did that podcast, you know, with me, Todd and Ross. I thought of an idea for another podcast I wanted to run by you. It's called Dank. It takes place in basements across the cities.

[Ben]

Yeah. Well, I was also thinking maybe calling it, like, Kings and Queens podcast as, like, Family Feud meets Battle the Sexes. I was like, Family Feud as a podcast, but Battle the Sexes.

[Ronnie]

Okay, how about that one game show where you go places and people try to figure out what it means? For example, you say, I Just went to the beach, and we have to figure out where you really went, you weird stalker. So she's like, well, you know, here's the thing about podcasts. I'm a very rich person, so you really need to think about sponsorship. Like, wow. Glad we've got Shamia here to explain economics of podcasting to Ralph.

[Ben]

Also, concepts and why anyone would want to listen to Ralph talk about Battle the sexes in a Family Feud format. Okay, now, I love Family. The Family Feud, but I have to say, the battle. The sexist thing, I think it's just, like, tired and old. I think that, really, Jerry o' Connell killed the Battle the Sexes format for eternity because he tried to get that going. For, like, 20 years, Jerry O' Connell has been like, guys. Guys are like this, and girls are like this. Am I right, guys? Isn't that crazy? And it's just like, now I'm like, I never want to compare men and women again ever again. Thanks to Jerry o' Connell, it is over. Ralph, you missed your window.

[Ronnie]

This ain't King of Queens, okay? We don't need this. So Shamia is defending herself because she's been on a podcast. So this is business, you know? And she's like, I'm. I'm a concerned citizen, and the people of the United States of Atlanta want to know if Ralph's wife and Dennis are making hot dogs. So I'm doing it. So then she's. Sorry, what'd you say?

[Ben]

I said, it's business.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, well, she did say marketing, so. Or she did say sponsorships, so huge business meeting. So she's like, let's address the elephant in the room. I met you through your wife, and what's happening now? It's just heartbreaking, Ralph. It's heartbreaking. And he's like, no, you know, I just proposed to Drew at three months, and then we got married at five months, and she's pregnant at eight months, so, you know, we. I didn't really have the opportunity to know her. Now, that's the problem. Like, who is this one in. Who is she? Who is she? I've been hoodwinked.

[Ben]

Who's. Whose fault is that? You're the one who popped the question. You can't, like, pop the question at five months and then be like, I didn't even. I didn't even know who she was. That was your choice. You were so eager to love Bomber and probably to brag that you got Drew Sedora from the Step up movies. Or was it Step up or. Or whatever. The yard I Don't remember. But she's like, has some degree of fame, and you're probably excited about that. You're gonna lock it down without actually getting to know her, without learning the fact that she's a pathological liar, much like you are, in fact. So in many ways, you guys are appropriate for each other. But, like, I'm not gonna feel. And I'm not gonna feel bad for you that you rushed the situation and then found out later that you guys didn't really understand each other. Like, that's on you. That's why you have to date and wait.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, and I don't like him situating that she rushed him when he's the one who was writing a parenting a stepchild book when he'd been co parenting that child for five minutes and then ended up, like, dropping the ball on that too. So, yeah, you're the rusher, sir. Okay, so really channeling a lot of.

[Ben]

That movie theater rage onto Ralph right now. It feels great.

[Ronnie]

Ralph sucks. Ralph just sucks. I mean, from everything we've seen of Ralph on this show, I mean, Drew's a dingbat, you know, Drew. Drew gets hers too. But, I mean, Ralph is just a piece of crap. So for them to be like, oh, you know what? Let's bring someone's, like, somewhat abusive ex onto the show. That'll be fun. It's not. It's just shitty. It's just a shitty move. It's a low move. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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[Ben]

You know, they did it. They strung some loops together, sang about hot dogs and relish, and now they got signed to an Internet service where they'll get a rev share. So, you know, they're living the dream. And Ralph's like, yeah, by the way, isn't Drew still working for Portia with like the hair, you know, the go naked hair, whatever. And Shamia's like, well, I don't know that she works for Portia anymore. And in walks Portia to clarify it all.

[Ronnie]

By the way, he should know this because, you know, Ralph, it came out in these divorce papers and I guess I should say allegedly just because that's like invisible protection. But I was just reading on Reddit the unsealing of these papers. Someone was kind of putting together what was in these papers. And basically he had. He was taking Drew Sedora llc, which is where all of her money from the shows, all her movies, all of everything goes into this llc. And he owned half of this llc. So his money is all Drew's money. It's all money that Drew's making that he's living off of. And Drew took him off of the llc. She, like, kicked him off of it. And so he's suing her because he still wants to get be taking like half of her money from everything. Anything which he's not earning, she's earning. So that's if. If anybody is out there is doubting what a piece of shit this guy is. And now he's like, wait, wasn't she working with Go Naked Hair? You should know. You fucking furnished your basement with that money.

[Ben]

Yeah, exactly. And we saw in the trailer for the rest of the season that this is going to be an issue that he locks her out of the house and claims that he actually runs a Drew Sedora llc. So even more. More proof that he is bullshitting right now. So Portia's that.

[C]

Okay, so let me give some context, okay? I am not hanging out with Ralph, okay? I didn't call him and ask him to come to dinner tonight. I said, shamia, you should call Ralph and invite him to dinner. That'd be hilarious. But it was not me, okay? This is not a tit for tat. It's. It's a tit in the tit for a tat, okay? Cuz he's got a tat and we got a bunch of tits, so that's what it is.

[Ronnie]

So he's like, oh, disclaimer. I did not know Portia was gonna be arriving at all. And Shamia's like, well, look, I need to have a witness because I'm not going to be the person that Ralph went off with when he disappeared. I'm not that girl. You know? You are that girl. Neither one of you, Neither one of you is looking great right now. And Shamia, just. Just to add a little spoiler context through the rest of this episode, Shamia kind of falls down in this episode. This is not a great Shamia episode in general. And it looks like it's not gonna. It looks like that's gonna continue. Not team Shamia. Not team Sham.

[Ben]

Yes. So Porsche is saying how she separate ties with Drew, and Shamia is saying like, you know what? I'm happy to help out however I can with this podcast. I got you, Ralph, you're paying the bill tonight. And he's like, he's like laughing and then he's like. Realizes that she's serious, even though she has an elevator in her house and, like, a brand new Bentley that's sitting on top of a Maybach. So that's what makes me more mad.

[Ronnie]

Because I know that ultimately Drew's paying for the bill.

[Ben]

That's true.

[Ronnie]

He doesn't make any money. So this is all Drew's money that he's spending on these two. So he's like, let's get these ladies a shot. And she's like. Portia goes, well, just to warn you, I don't really like husbands right now, so you might be catching some strays.

[Ben]

And then she starts talking about Dennis and how Dennis sent a text message. And then we're getting these text. These fragments of text messages that are like, basically Dennis saying, oh, Drew was interested in some. Like, I. I said, I. I told Drew I wouldn't her. And I told her, just run me my money. I'm not gonna you. So. And by the way, let's not act like Dennis is the most reliable narrator either. It's like a whole bunch of idiots going on here, creating scandal for themselves. So now Portia shows this to Ralph, and she's basically. She's under the guise of, like, Ralph should know that, like, everything's okay. She's like, I wanted to say, on the good side of poor, what's of Drew and the good deeds. I was probably also showing the text to Ralph to really show him that Drew and Dennis had not had sex. Because, you know, he was basically telling her, I don't want to have sex. I just give me money. But this is Portia's way of showing Ralph that Drew was making advances towards Dennis. So as much as that, Portia is saying, oh, I want to show them that they never had sex. She was actually being shady and outing Drew.

[Ronnie]

Yes. So she's. But the text she shows says, don't run me that ass. Run me my money. But it never said. It never shows her offering ass.

[Ben]

Right? But it doesn't.

[Ronnie]

Portia is making sound like she's saying, she's not going to pay you. She just wants to fuck you instead. Like, she's hoeing. She's basically accusing her of hoeing and saying, okay, I'll pay for all these hot dog tracks with my ass, which never happened. That never happened in here, no matter how much they're going to try to make that sound. And if it did happen, we don't have the receipts yet. So the producer's actually laughing on camera. And like, God damn, you're shady, Portia, you know, saying, no, I'm being a good person. So then Ralph's like, well, I heard Drew was sleeping around. You know, maybe it's not with Dennis, but I heard that. And she goes, well, but there's been rumors about you, so are those all true? And he's like. He just pauses for a long time. He's like, yeah, they're true. Of course they're true with Ralph. And he's like, no. Then she goes, okay, well, because you heard rumors, that doesn't make it true. And he's like, well, but she had someone else she was with, so, yeah.

[C]

Supportia's like, don't use my divorce and say that. We're going through the same thing. You guys are talking about my child. She was like, I'll make enough money to send Ballard to college.

[Ben]

And Ralph is like, that's what you said?

[C]

And she's like, yeah, that's what Shamia said that Drew said.

[Ben]

And so Shamia's like, well, she said it jokingly, I think, just so you know. And Ralph, like, that's very disrespectful. The only thing I care about is my kids. I just want my kids healthy so I could capitalize off of them a little bit more with my book that three people read.

[Ronnie]

At least I want their knees healthy because I want them to be bringing me food up and down stairs a lot, so knee strength is important. And she's like, so you never cheated? Have you ever sniffed another woman? And he's like, yeah, of course. Of course I've sniffed. One man doesn't sniff.

[C]

Where'd you sniffer?

[Ben]

He's like, so? Then Shamila's like, did you ever cheat on Drew, Ralph? And he's like, like, classic Ralph. First he's like, well, I mean, what? Are you serious? And then finally, he's like, no, I didn't cheat. He just never is able to answer that question cleanly. Like, that's all we've needed all these years is for him to be like, no, of course not. But he always is like, I mean, you already know the answer. You already know what I'm talking about. This is one of the cleanest versions. He. He. He only gave a little bit of misdirection before he then mumbles that he didn't cheat, right?

[Ronnie]

So then Shamia talks about how she's always in trouble for defending Portia because she's such a good person, you know, but she's gonna do it anyway because that's the kind of friend. She is a good friend. You're the kind of friend to be nice to somebody who's on TV until you get your ass a full peach on TV and then you immediately turn on said friend to stay head peach on a show. I see you. I see what kind of friend you are. Shamia. I've turned. I've turned on Shamia. I don't care.

[Ben]

Okay, so Shamia then is saying how she, she eats shit every time she defends Portia to the other women, especially with Angela. And Angela gives Shamia pushback for even just laughing at jokes. So Portia's, Portia's. Portia's just there and she's like, okay, well, whatever. Shamina's like, okay, well, thank you so much for dinner, Ralph. Because basically the two of them just are talking and ignoring Ralph, and Ralph's like, hey, I'm still here. I'm still here, guys, do you remember me? They're like, oh, yeah, we forgot. Oh, thanks. You can pay for this.

[Ronnie]

Bye. Yeah, they're like, we're going to get dessert before we leave. So then we go over to Angela's investment property in Riverside, and she's like, whoa, you know, I own five investment properties and. And they're ready for sale mostly, But I'm hearing that the listing prices haven't been the most welcoming. And I'm in debt $2 million, so I'm a deep shit, basically. I mean, lower the price.

[Ben]

Yeah, lower the price. Lower the price.

[Ronnie]

Charging a little too much. Nobody's paying $3 million for the house you're in right now. I'm telling you that much because we see it and it's not bad, but it's not, it's not $3 million. Sorry. It's just not. And I like that Kelly comes over and she's like, cozy. When someone walks in and says, this is cozy, that's not a $3 million house.

[Ben]

Yeah, that's. That's her way of saying, oh, well, this is cute that you put this on the market. Okay. Yeah, that house was not 3 million. Okay. Especially because everything we hear about Atlanta real estate is that you get these. You get these giant McMansions and they cost like $1.1,750,000. So the fact that there actually was a house that was 3 million and it would look just kind of like a ranch home, not a ranch home. Yeah, maybe a ranch home. Like a single story ranch. I was like, this feels like it might be overpriced, Angela.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Kelly's looking at the house, and she's like, I feel bad about what I said about their secret baby. I hope she's not going to tie me up in the basement. So then they're looking around, and Kelly's like, there's no water in that pool. And they go into a bedroom, and she goes, oh, this is an okay bedroom. So there's no closet in the bedroom. And she's like, don't come for me like that, please.

[Ben]

Yeah, nothing's finished. There's like. There's like sticky notes where there's supposed to be, like, an oven or a fridge. And she's like, $3 million.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. She's like, oh, don't pay attention to those. Those are my sticky notes, My stickies. So then this is where Kelly's like, well, this is cozy. So fresh and very cozy. Let me just say, coz. Oh, you look very pretty today, Angela. And so now they're having the talk. So Kelly is talking about her family. But then we move on to Angela's marriage. And she's been together with Charles almost 10 years. He's the best friend she's ever had. And that's why she's surprised when it came across that Kelly acted like she knows something about her marriage. So what do you know? Kelly?

[Ben]

Kelly's like, well, no, I'm sorry if it came off a certain kind of way. You know, I just. I don't know how we'd talk to you and ask that and be like, well, I mean, he's got a baby, right? And she's like, well, okay, this is. Okay, here's how it all happened. We were at an event he was hosting with Wendy Williams, and, you know, Wendy's husband was in the news for having a baby. So I went up to Wendy and I was like, it's only a baby. Yeah, you know what? Even if it's true, it's just a baby. It's just another living soul who someone will have to take care of the rest of their lives. That's it. Nothing major. It's like just having a stick of gum.

[Ronnie]

Forgive him. It's just a baby.

[Ben]

Just a baby.

[Ronnie]

And Wendy said, what? Has that ever happened to you? And she said, yes, it has. And then Wendy took that to mean as it happened with Charles, but she was saying it happened with her other guy, with her first. With her first guy. So she met her daughter's father. So then Angela is like, yeah, you know, there's an article about it, and Charles doesn't even care about that. But I'M like, well, wait a minute, people really think this now, so it would be nice if you cared. And then we see a headline from the sun that says, it's just a baby. Wendy Williams claims NBA legend Charles Oakley's wife told her to stay with her ex after love child scandal.

[Ben]

Yeah, so Kelly's like, oh, I'm so.

[C]

Glad you cleared that up. Marriage is hard.

[Ben]

And just like, yeah. And then there's also the groupies. And she says, you know, there was infidelity. And after that whole massive Square garden issue that happened, the scandal, like, he went through a hard, hard time. And she's like, I'm not making excuses for him, but I feel like he needed to feel validated. And so we took a break. And, you know, I'm very transparent about the growing pains in our relationship. The good, the bad, the in between, the waffles. No, no waffles for us. But marriage is work and you have to both put in the work and yada yada, yada. So she's, she is pretty transparent. So I kind of do feel like if there was a baby, she'd be like, I think she would say it, cuz her whole, her everything in her life is actually pretty messy to the point where, like, I don't think she would cover up a baby.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I don't either there. So Angela's saying, okay, well now let's talk about Shamia. So I was becoming friends with Shamia, but then, you know, I don't think it went right recently, but we were having private conversations with regards to Porsche. And, you know, after we got done listening to Shamia's single, we decided to go out to dinner and Shamia said she was starting to have issues with Portia. So Angela is basically coming into this episode swinging. She's like, okay, okay, here's what I could do. Everybody's coming for me on this show. So I could either lie down and be a victim and just take it, or I can fuck every one of these women up and that's what I'm gonna do. So she comes back and she's like, Shamia and Portia's friendship is fake and Shamia secretly hates Portia. Run with that. Be gone. Also mention that this $3 million house is ready to go.

[Ben]

I know she is in full bone collector mode. And she's, she is, she is ready. I love when she says, you know, after we got done listening to Shamia's single, which was her way of saying, I sat. That was the worst three minutes of my life. I sat down and listened to this single that's going nowhere because she's aged out of popular music, so I don't know how she even thinks that she's gonna have a hit on the radio. But I sat there and I listened to it. Then we went to dinner. And then on top of that, she laughs along with Portia's jokes in Nashville. Can you believe that? After I listen to her single, that's kind of what she said.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So she's like, well, Shamia doesn't want to just be Portia's sidekick, but now they have to put on the girl. Her big girl pants to fight with Portia. So then we go to my mommy's moving, and I'm so excited.

[Ben]

Yeah. And she's like, I don't know what.

[C]

To do because, like, normally, like, Michael was walking around half naked, and now.

[Ronnie]

My mom's moving in.

[Ben]

So, you know, Mike's asking how everything's going with the girls, and she's saying she's not seeing eye to eye with anyone or even Angela. And then we get a flashback to last week where Angela's like, you have the mouth of a whore.

[Ronnie]

Well, Brit, I like that. Brit. How Brit makes herself the hero of every story. She's like, well, we weren't getting along and moving forward. I just don't know what happened with Angela. Maybe that you started talking to her in front of everybody else, like, for no reason, when you weren't even part of the conversation. Maybe that's why. I don't know. Yeah, so we see clips of that with. With the stretch marks around your mouth. You're a whore, Brit.

[Ben]

You're a whore. So Mike explains that he's gonna be having lunch with Britt's sister, Cher. And then Britt's talking about how, like, when Mike came around, it put a wedge in the family because Cher saw Mike is pulling, taking her away, and literally, no one cares. No one cares about Brit and her sister drama. They're just three increasingly uninteresting people.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. I mean, it's enough to be talking about Brit's drama with her sister, but now we have to watch the husband and the sister makeup. No, no. So she's like, finish your matcha. And he says, it's just green mil.

[Ben]

Wow. So then we go to another investment property drinking that. Yeah. Just green milk. Also, why does he, like. I also love, like, why he feels the need to protest the matcha in that moment? Just be like, okay. Be like, whatever. It's just green milk. Yeah. It's Milk with Matcha. It's green milk. Drink it Commercials.

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[Ben]

We go to another investment property from Angela. This time she's meeting up with Porsche to do the age old Bravo tradition of bad tenants. Us on tv.

[Ronnie]

Yes, and she says, well, I'm excited. I pour so to my investment property because under no circumstances do I want someone who says they're gonna fuck my husband in my home. She's only getting the rental, which is so fucking funny. She's only gonna be able to go to the investment property. She hasn't earned the right to come to the real house. Like she's not gonna get to smell those freshly frying Brussels sprouts.

[Ben]

Yes. So which, by the way, like, Charles is cooking so much food, let people come over. Even if they. Even if they said they want to sleep with him, otherwise it's just gonna go to waste. So they go. They start playing tennis and everything, and they're having fun back and forth.

[C]

And Portia's like, angela's a bad bitch. As soon as I met her, I liked her. As long as her and I come to some sort of understanding, maybe we can form a friendship. That way she doesn't have to be just friends with Drew.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So they play tennis crazily, and then they sit down to have a talk. Dawn, Dawn. Dawn. They start with talking about how her daughter got married without telling Angela. And she's like, she just did it because I'm a helicopter mom, so I guess it's my fault, really, in the end. And she's like, well, that reminds me of my Portia, my Pampered by Portia party. She's like, okay, I guess we'll move to that now. Now.

[Ben]

Yeah, exactly. And Angela's like, oh, by the way, is there a conversation with a Drew that can be had?

[C]

She's like, well, the opportunity kind of found my lap because I went to dinner with Shamia, and Ralph was there totally unexpectedly.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. You know, I got a text from Dennis, and it looked like Drew saying she was trying to sleep with Dennis. And Dennis told her, no, just run me my money. And Angela's like, oh, my God. What are you doing? Then she goes, and this is why I won't have Porsche in my actual home. She needs to learn couth.

[Ben]

Yeah. So she. And she's saying she wants to get Drew side of the story because she doesn't want to believe that Drew would actually do something like that. So Angela's like, well, I've learned so much from talking to Drew. And Porter's like, yeah, but I think.

[C]

It'S important and only fair for me to talk to her, to adhere, for her to hear my side. Then it comes, you know, Then come for.

[Ben]

To your.

[C]

To your own conclusion.

[Ben]

So Angela's like, okay, you want to hear my conclusion? I can fix this. That's what I think.

[C]

She's like, no, no, no. That's not the conclusion.

[Ben]

I.

[C]

Okay, what did she talk to you guys about?

[Ronnie]

She said. She said the money that Dennis earns can be contributed to a college fund for Pilar. And she's like, well, that's not how Shamia said it. Shamia said. She said, I'm about to make so Much money. I can even send Pilar to college. So what? It's the same thing. I don't understand. What?

[Ben]

Well, one way. Well, one way sounds like it's altruistic, even though it's the same thing. The tone of one way is like, I can help. This is. This is actually, like, a really good thing. And the other way is like, who needs Portia when I could be the new mama? So Portia is mad about this, and so now Angela's like, no, it wasn't said like that. Okay? No, she just. It was. It was much more like, chill, and we see a flashback. And it was actually. I mean, it was an overstep by Drew, but it wasn't. It wasn't, like, super flagrant. But when she said it, it was enough that we all flagged it, like, oh, this is gonna get back to Portia and she won't be happy.

[Ronnie]

Well, just because you mentioned the kid at all. Because once you mention the kid, then it's like, how dare you speak about my child? But she didn't say anything bad about the kids. She said, oh, really? Well, Porsche is mad. Well, this could make so much money. It could fund her college or at least contribute to some snacks, which we see her say, so then, Angela, by.

[Ben]

The way, it will not contribute even to a snack. This is not contributing to a Nutter Butter or a Marshall or a Malamar. This music is not generating many pennies.

[Ronnie]

I don't know. It was the top. It was in the top five on the R B chart. So I don't know. I don't know how much money you get from that, but it did pretty well from what we saw when we looked it up last week. So Angela's like, well, you know, I did talk to Kelly, and she said there was a time when Shamia thought you didn't want her in this group. And she's like, but what? What? I vouch for her. And, like, I showed her a list of the wives I would want as a dreamcast, and she was on it, but I just told her, your husband doesn't want to film. And I explained to her that that might be a problem. So she's like, well. But I talked to her, and it seems like she thinks this is a lopsided friendship and she doesn't want to be seen as Portia's lap dog, which you can tell by the last scene, in which she orchestrated a scene to make Porsche's enemy look bad so that Portia can look good. It's like, you're Doing a great job, Samuel.

[Ben]

Yeah. So Portia gets overwhelmed with emotion, and she sort of hides behind a fan that she's holding and she's crying, and Angela's like, there. There Sort of attempts to be comforting, and Portia's like, me and Shamir have.

[C]

Had way more one on one time than she's ever spent with these girls. So I thought if we ever had.

[Ronnie]

An issue, that we would just band.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

So then we go over to Drew's house. She's feeding the kids and stuff. And then she has not told the kids about divorce yet because they're court ordered by the judge not to tell the kids. I don't think the judge can court order you. Not what you tell your kids. I've never heard of that, but whatever. So her kids are in therapy because they don't want to damage the kids. Are they in ear therapy? Because I've heard your songs. You're damaging them. So, okay, at the very least, they're gonna have, like, hot dog tinnitus. Get them some help.

[Ben]

We are the hot dog. We are the hot dog. We all the relish. So speaking of therapy, Drew is going to meet with her therapist, who has now been downgraded to life coach. It's Bravo's. Bravo's great self help guru, Dr. Ken, who is now FaceTiming in to give some more questionable assistance to Drew.

[Ronnie]

She's like, oh, my God, I know I haven't seen you for a long time. And he goes, that means that you're doing better. No, it doesn't. Since when does just skipping therapy all the time mean you're doing better? It means you're not making an effort. Right. Like me.

[Ben]

So Drew is like, I'm happy with my mental disabilities.

[Ronnie]

Leave me alone. I already have medicine for this. It's called food. Okay? Now please leave while I eat my emotions.

[Ben]

It's called yelling at bitches at sinners. That's how you get it out. Okay. I think if everyone. That's the real therapy right there. So Drew is like, you know, I was told yesterday that Ralph was out with Shamia and Portia. And we see a flashback, and Drew has now met with Angela and Kelly because Angela's meeting with everyone and telling everyone what everyone just said at the moment last. The last scene. It's like, I'm getting whiplash from this.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Like, I had to, like, sometimes I had to, like, mentally be like, okay, so Angela met with this person and then off camera, and now just told Portia this on camera, and then she met with more people off camera to talk about what? She told Portia about what happened off camera somewhere else, and now we're back on camera talking about what Angela said. I'm like, okay, I think I got this straight.

[Ronnie]

You can say whatever you want about Angela, but you can't say that she doesn't work because she works. She's like, all right, I'm taking a paycheck. I will fuck everything. Everybody up. So Drew's like, it used to be that I had no tears to cry, but now I'm at a point where I'm just. I'm having tears throughout this process over Ralph and Dr. Ken's like, that's progress. Why do people go to Dr. Ken? Has Dr. Ken ever given anybody good advice? You went to Dr. Ken for marriage counseling. How'd that work out? You're getting divorced, okay? Everybody who's gone to Dr. Ken has gone through pure misery. It's never worked. It's like going to celebrity rehab. Has that ever worked for literally anybody now?

[Ben]

Yeah. I think Dr. Ken is one of the least effective Bravo therapists out there. And there are a lot of ineffective Bravo therapists. Actually, they're pretty much all ineffective, except for maybe the one who got Erica to get a little bit closer to the idea of empathy.

[Ronnie]

I would say Erica's is probably the best that we've seen on Bravo.

[Ben]

Yeah, she's.

[Ronnie]

She's one of the only honest ones. I mean, that's not pizza party behavior. Erica is one of the best pieces of therapy we've ever heard on this show. On these shows.

[Ben]

Yeah. And, you know, I'm gonna give some extra credit to one of Jax's therapists who wasn't helpful because no one can really fix Jax. But she was honest in showing her utter dismay and disgust for him on camera when he was, like, talking spewing bullshit. And she just sat there on Vanderpump Rules, just scowling like this piece of garbage. Why am I wasting my professional degree on him?

[Ronnie]

Well, also, who did that was Craig's therapist on Southern Charm. She was really good when he's like, I'm an amazing liar. I just lie all the time, and it's so good, nobody ever catches me. And she's like, why? Why do you. Then we never saw her.

[Ben]

But Dr. Ken. Dr. Ken actually believes he's making an impact when all he does is very.

[Ronnie]

Little so the other ones were just disgusted, you know what I mean? But Dr. Ken. And Dr. Ken thinks he's helping.

[Ben]

He really does. So he's like, so you don't have anything going on with Dennis? And she's like, right? And he's like, so you can't control what anyone else says. You can only stand on what you know. And what do you know? Nothing. Great. All right, that'll be $500. So now we go to elsewhere. Moving elsewhere in Atlanta. Upbeat music, et cetera. And we're finally at that. The Pampered by Porsche event. It's an event that apparently only people from this cast have been invited to. And Lauren, of course.

[Ronnie]

So it turns out like. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[Ben]

No, I was gonna say this felt like a pretty. Like this. This event was mentioned late in the episode. And I feel like it was just. It was. I think this event was only whipped up in the past 24 hours because this is just like the cast going to a rented space, right?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And this is the typical. Like I said, I'm gonna have an event, but I'm really suckering the cast into doing promo for my. For my line and not paying them. It's one of those events.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

So they're all. And I was excited when I saw it. Cause everybody's in lingerie and stuff. And I was like, oh, my God, that was one of the best Atlanta episodes of all time. The pajama party, you know, that was a good one. But this was not that. This was just like pampered by Portia. They were all dressed in lingerie to do a photo shoot. Shoot. So they come and then what even makes it worse is you're gonna try and have a meditation session with Lauren as the person who's draw. I want Lauren. Lauren needs her own meditation. What do you think it's like working for Portia? Heal thyself.

[Ben]

I think it's time for Lauren and Mal to have their own spin off. Just the sisters of. And they could just do boring things together. So Portia is like, I want to.

[C]

Be taken seriously as a brand. Which is why I invited no one to this event except for my castmates.

[Ben]

I mean, she had rented this cavernous space. Well, not cavernous, but it feels cavernous because it's a whole big ass space and there's like six people here, and it's empty and echoey and awkward. So. But she wants to be taken seriously as a brand. And she's like.

[C]

For a long time, I was identified solely as a wife and that really held me back. But now I put that title down and picked up the one that's gonna pay the bills. Pampered by Porsche Sheets.

[Ronnie]

I mean, listen, I love to lie down, but I don't get it. I still don't really get it. So then Drew's like, did we see sheets?

[Ben]

Did we see sheets at this event, by the way?

[Ronnie]

I don't know. Were they posing on a bed or something? I forget what they were posing on. There's a lot of lingerie. I mean, if you're selling lingerie, that's good, because everybody looked great. They were all wearing, like, crazy lingerie. But, yeah, I don't know. Know. So Drew's like, wait, this is a photo shoot? Like, is this for our personal Instagram, or are we ambassadors for Pampered by Portia? Because I never signed a contract for that, and I know she made good money with me on Go Naked. I knew this was a setup.

[Ben]

Yeah, it is a setup. It truly is. So Portia's saying, you know, at some point, you just need to stop arguing and moving forward. And she's decided that she's going to move forward, which is called growth. I'm like, okay, well, I will look forward to seeing the footage of you moving forward with any of your feuds. I'm sure that will happen someday.

[Ronnie]

I will be nice to everybody today so I can tag them in this Instagram post and get more views, and then I will go back to shit later. So she's saying she wants to confront Shamia, but she doesn't want to do it today, and she needs to set it aside because she doesn't want to fight with Shami here or have any of sort strife with her. So meanwhile, Kelly and Shamia sit in a separate room, and Kelly's like, well, I was a bit disturbed about what Drew said about you, Shamia. And then we see a flashback to Drew saying, well, Shamia said, I need to put on my pink girl panties and bark up the right tree because she's been Portia's lapdog for a long time.

[Ben]

And Angela clutches her pearls and looks. So then Shamia's like. She's like, okay, well, carry on with that narrative. And Kelly's like, I can understand why she said that, but I can also understand why that came about just from, like, you know, Portia and Angela having a conversation. Angela and Portia. Angela said Portia was in tears, and Shamia's like, about what? She's about you, and about how you always run and tell certain sides of stories, and basically, you're up Portia's ass.

[Ronnie]

So then Shamia's like, I love Portia. She's like a sister. And I can't believe she allowed a conversation about me to be had and then not even mention it to me. That really hurts. We've seen many seasons of people talking shit about Portia and Shamia just laughing and kind of joining in with them. Have we not? I mean, I think we have, but she's doing the whole, you let them have a conversation about me, didn't say anything.

[Ben]

How dare you had a conversation about Portia. You were literally venting about Portia, you know, and you vented to people you didn't know very well. So it was inevitable that that was going to go back to Portia, you know, And I understand what so matters.

[Ronnie]

That Portia had a conversation with people about me venting about Portia to those people. Like, are you listening to yourself?

[Ben]

It's the classic sidekick wants to get main character energy, and it always creates huge ripples because the main character, the one that the sidekick is attached to, never wants to lose their sidekick. And then the sidekick always looks then kind of like their. Like a social climber or something. So then they get a lot of flack, and then they're just trying to get their way, and it usually leads the best drama. But neither of them can understand why there is drama in the first place, because the sidekick's like, I'm just being mistreated. And the main character person's like, I always treat my sidekick well. Why does she want to stop being my sidekick? So that's what they're going through, the classic reality show sidekick, main character breakup.

[Ronnie]

So now Lauren leads them through meditation, which sounds painful. Lauren, stay away from my medit. Stay away from my brain, okay? You've numbed it enough by being on this show for 10 years. Leave me alone. So Shamia will not meditate. She's just sitting up. Everybody else is lying down and going through the thing, but she's refusing to do it because she's upset. She's very hurt. So Kelly's like, are you gonna meditate? She goes, you're messing it up. And she's like, well, but you're not meditating. And she goes, well, I was told if I felt comfortable to lie back and close my eyes, but I do not feel comfortable, and I do not feel peace because somebody is hurting my peace. And she's right over there pampered my Portia.

[Ben]

Yeah. And so. So she's doing this Very dramatic anti meditation thing. And Portia keeps going, shh, shh, shh. She's literally shushing her, which is also not helping the meditation. But it was, you know, it felt not unlike what I imagine your experience at Sinners was like.

[Ronnie]

So Shamia's like, well, she might not feel peace either now, might be choking her. And Kelly's like, release your feelings. That's what you're supposed to do. So now Shamia's like, well, was she talking shit? And Kelly says, well, basically everything that you told Angela, Angela went and told Portia, I'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you this at this very important meditation center her done by some girl who doesn't know what she's doing. And Lauren's like, let's let loving kindness linger as much as possible. Peace never comes as close as it does when you're wrapped in a pampered by Portia seat. Am I right?

[Ben]

So she's basically like, okay, so I told you guys how to talk to each other, so talk to each other in therapy. Speak. So Angela's like, Ms. Portia, may I speak with you?

[C]

Portia's like, sure.

[Ben]

I just want to say that I appreciate your apology the other day. And you know, we're not going to get along all the time, but I hope that we can do more. Do you receive that? And Portia's like, I receive that.

[C]

And I'm glad that we're both hopefully moving forward towards a future friendship because I think that's possible.

[Ben]

So everyone's like, yay.

[Ronnie]

So then Kelly's like, well, I want to talk about a woman I admire. I admire both Sumia and Portia. You have such a good friendship. And I want Portia and Shamia to have a conversation about Shamia talking about Portia. And then Portia finding out and talking about Shami and then Shamia getting mad. Now Portia's mad and everybody should fight. Okay, let's do that. Let's do that instead. So Portia's like, I received that. And Shamiya's like, wait, who said that? I said something because I haven't even talked yet, Portia. So let me talk about my feelings. And she's like, well, Angela and I spoke yesterday about Shamia and apparently Shamia's a best friend and I'm a bad friend and that was a conversation. And Lauren's like, how did that make you feel? How did hearing that make Lauren? Whoever gave Lauren a talking stick, take it back.

[C]

Portia's like, it makes me feel like, shit, it saddens me.

[Ben]

And Shmiel's like, I've never been the one to talk about my quote, unquote friends behind their back, even though I did in this case. So anything that was brought back to her that allegedly brought her to tears yesterday has not been communicated to me. So no one has communicated to me about what I communicated to them first. That they have not communicated back to me about what I said the first place. What are you talking about? You said it. Why does anyone have to go back to you to say, hey, just so you know, you said this thing. It's like, no, you said it. It got back to Portia, as you should have known it would.

[Ronnie]

And so now we're down to the real meat of the issue, which is that Portia didn't go to Shamia's wedding in Kenya. So Portia's like, well, you said that I didn't come to your wedding and that Shamia said I also didn't want her to on the show. And I didn't say that. And Shamia's like, well, yeah, and I asked you about that, and you showed me your receipts of how you did not say you wanted me to only be a friend of, but how you wanted me to be a housewife. Okay, so I did bring it up to you, and you proved it wrong. So anything that these girls have said that I've said about you, I've said it to you to your face. And Brit goes, let it out. Shimmy.

[Ben]

Is like, I'm not an angel, for sure. For sure. But if you come to me and try to have a conversation about Portia, I shut it down, have I not? Unless the conversation was started by me and was behind Portia's back. But other than that, I shut the conversations down. And Kelly's like, you definitely tell him.

[C]

Portia's like, well, how was that not reciprocated? No one has said anything about you in this room. My energy that it's supposed to be a safe space to have a conversation. So when it comes to what Angela said, what would you make.

[Ben]

What would.

[C]

What would make you question your friendship or attack it?

[Ben]

I was like, well, you didn't shut down Angela saying stuff. Stuff. So you can't act like you shut it down. I mean, they're both a mess.

[Ronnie]

Well, talking about Shamia. She was just saying what Shamia said about Portia.

[Ben]

Right, okay. All right, I see what you're saying. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So Angel's like, well, Shamia, I feel like you're afraid to Say things that are bothering you. And I never would have. Like, I would have never known Portia didn't come to your wedding. You know? And Portia's like, well, for the record, I didn't go to her wedding in Kenya because a couple of prime months. A couple of months prior to that, we weren't speaking. Okay, but before, you said you didn't go because you got a doctor's note because you couldn't sit in coach.

[Ben]

Something like that.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. She's like, I can't sit in coach. The doctor gave me a note that said I would be too squished.

[Ben]

I think, by the way, it's fully reasonable to be like, yeah, I can't go to your wedding in Kenya. I think that, like, when. When a wedding is out of the country in general, it's always if someone says, like, I'm sorry, I just can't make it. I think that's okay. I really do. Even if it's your best friend, that's just a schlep. You have to go to a whole other country. Like, especially. Kenya's far. Okay. I got invited to a wedding in Pakistan once. I was like, have a great time. I can't make it. That's just too much work. I'm sorry.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, that's too far. Are. I'm trying to. Look, I'm gonna say especially.

[Ben]

Especially if you weren't talking beforehand. Like, I understand. It's like, but you're my best, best, best best friend. You gotta come to Kenya. Fine. But, like, if you guys weren't talking in the months leading up to the wedding, then you really can't expect someone to Kenya.

[Ronnie]

It takes a whole day just to get out there. It takes 19 hours.

[Ben]

Also, Porsche hates Kenya. They've had a rivalry for many seasons. They only just buried the hatchet, and now Kenya's not even on the show. Why would she even go to a country that remind his rival, I'm not.

[Ronnie]

Going to that house down in a. In a gutter. It's too far down a hill, so. But now we find out the real reason is that she and Shamia were on shaky ground anyway and hadn't been talking, so why would she go? And Shamia's like, but you didn't tell me that. She goes, I did. I told you I couldn't sit in the front seat, which I think she means private class or something. And Shamia's like, well, I didn't know we even had an issue. And she goes. But then when we started speaking, it was too close. To the flight leaving. And by the time we started speaking, I was in your traditional wedding that was here in Atlanta. Okay. So you had two weddings, and, you know, they were both giant because she's rich as fuck. So I think that's okay. You just go to the local one now. It's not okay to keep lying about why you're not going. I guess just say Kenya is far. I don't want to.

[Ben]

Now, now, all this being said, I do want to say I. I actually. I think the wedding thing is not a strong point for Shamia, But I think Shamia probably has a pretty good list of stuff where she has been kind of either overshadowed by Portia or Portia's sort of, like, shat on her. Like, for instance, Shamia, at the beginning of the season had this whole big party. Portia shows up super late. And not only that, walks in, right? Went during, like, Shamia's big moment. And, like, Portia also shat on Shamia doing her single. So, like, there is a pattern of Portia being like, you're my sidekick, and I'm always gonna remind you that even when you have a big moment to shine, I'm gonna somehow, like, undermine it. So I do feel like Shamia probably has a strong case here, but I don't feel like the wedding is the strongest point for her to make here, even though I don't think she actually was.

[Ronnie]

I think the stuff you said is a strong case, but she's not bringing that stuff up, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. This is what she's actually kind of messing up.

[Ronnie]

This would actually be a good evidence. I'll agree.

[Ben]

Yes. We have decided, like, if. In fact, I think that's what was frustrating, is that this would be the time to bring that. That up to say, look, I love you, but there are times when I feel like when I'm trying to shine you, you undermine me and then bring this piece of evidence in, and I think it's like, a case closed.

[Ronnie]

Well, Portia, she gets a better argument as we come. But this whole, like, I've never allowed anyone to talk about my friendships, and apparently, that's not reciprocated. What. I think that's stupid.

[Ben]

That's a weak point. That's.

[Ronnie]

And that's. It's also not true, because you've been talking about your relationship to everybody. That's the point. So it doesn't make any sense. And Angela's like. And you don't feel like Portia hears you, and she goes, well, she heard you loud and clear. But she won't listen to me, so now she's mad. It just doesn't. I don't like this. So she goes, well, how'd you all become so close? Where now our friendship can be discussed, and you were at odds with her, but now you can discuss our friendship. And so Portia's like, well, wait, why were you all attacking our friendship in the first place? And Angela goes, because it's laid out on a silver platter.

[Ben]

Cynthia's like, oh, I really hate when the circle breaks up friendships. It's really sad to see you're the one who came back to this show. Okay, settle down. So Cynthia says that their friendship is deep. They've known each other since they were children. And you know, somewhere Andy Cohen's like, yeah, I can't wait to destroy it. So Shamia's like, there's a lot of hurt, and it's okay. I don't expect to have resolve right now. I've just always chosen to give grace. Oh, come on. You were being messy. You were complaining about Portia, and now it's come back. You, like, stop trying to take the high road here.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Portia says, well, thank you for your grace. And she goes, oh, so you're gonna be sarcastic now? She goes, no, I'm a piece of shit. I'm a piece of shit. That's cool. So it's like a passive aggressive off. Dun, dun, dun. But as we know, they're not friends after the season. Season. So I guess this gets worse. But if this is what this entire fight is built on, it's kind of weak. I mean, I guess we'll just have to see it. Looks like they have a sit down next week.

[Ben]

Yeah, I was gonna say, I actually don't think it's weak. I just think that the. The wedding thing is not so strong. But it sounds like first, I think that really what it is is that Shamia is coming into her own and Portia doesn't like it. Shamia is also has built up resentment and. And is torn between wanting to confront Portia about it and want to be the person who's bigger than it. And I think it's just a shit show that's brewing. And I'm surprised they waited so lightly in the season to start kind of like emphasizing this storyline because we're. Shockingly enough, we're like 10 or 11 episodes already into the season. I keep thinking we're on episode six, but we're really pretty deep in it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, here we are, Atlanta.

[Ben]

Deep Thoughts by Ben that's it.

[Ronnie]

Well, next week we get a scene of their. We get their sit down, and it doesn't look like it goes very well. Shamia versus. I don't know, I just think with this whole thing, we've never really seen Portia talk about Shamia. We've seen the stuff like you said about her being shitty or shady about the song and the wedding stuff was years ago. But then the. The other stuff that happened this season, like, we've seen. Or her showing up late and, you know, being a diva during the car reveal or whatever. Like, we've seen stuff like that, but we haven't really seen Portia talking shit. Shamia. And we haven't seen Shamia say anything really mean about Porsche. But we have seen her say over and over that she doesn't like being called Porsche's lap dog and this and this and that. So it'll be interesting to see where it goes. It's just sad that such a relationship can go that far off the rails based on this. Like, I don't like that you.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Talk to somebody about our relationship. I think that's weak. I don't know. But we'll see.

[Ben]

Yeah, we'll see where it goes. I see what you're saying.

[Ronnie]

Already. Jesus Christ. How long does it take to sign her? Just get her over here.

[Ben]

I know. It's taking a very long time. Well, anyway, we'll see what happens with that relationship. And thanks, everyone, for being here, and we'll catch you on the next episode.

[Ronnie]

Bye, everybody.

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