#2839 Below Deck Down Under S03E15 Part One: Scars and Stripes

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary: Episode #2839 Below Deck Down Under S03E15 Part One: Scars and Stripes

Release Date: May 13, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Podcast: Watch What Crappens | Wondery

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Introduction and Upcoming Events

Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam kick off the episode by sharing exciting news about their upcoming live shows. They mention their debut Las Vegas show at Wise Guys, with additional dates in Seattle and Los Angeles slated for June. They also highlight new content available for Patreon supporters, including bonus episodes, video recaps, and a special road trip episode titled "Crapids on Demand."

Ben Mandelker [01:55]:
"In just like two days, we're going to be doing our very first ever Las Vegas show at Wise Guys. It's going to be so fun."

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Recap of Below Deck Down Under S03E15 Part One: Scars and Stripes

The hosts delve into the latest episode of Below Deck Down Under, analyzing key plot points, character developments, and dramatic tensions aboard the yacht.

1. Crew Dynamics and Clique Tensions

Zarina finds herself feeling excluded from the "Cool Girls" clique, which is slowly disintegrating due to Alicia's growing disdain for Lara. Zarina's outsider status becomes a focal point as she grapples with balancing her desire to fit in without losing her own boundaries.

Ben Mandelker [05:05]:
"Why are you shocked and surprised?"
Referring to Zarina's reaction during a confrontation.

2. Serena's Breakdown and Lara's Frustrations

Serena experiences a significant emotional breakdown, becoming the season's most vulnerable crew member. Lara's frustration escalates as Serena's erratic behavior hinders yacht operations. The tension between them highlights underlying issues of trust and communication.

Ronnie Karam [04:35]:
"It's funny watching her really fall apart."

3. The Plate Incident and Operational Tensions

A pivotal moment occurs when Serena falsely accuses Zarina of not knowing her work schedule, leading to a heated argument over the cleanliness of the crew mess. Zarina defends her role as a sous chef, emphasizing that certain tasks aren't within her responsibilities.

Ben Mandelker [26:17]:
"No, Laura, stop trying to manipulate and undermine people."

4. Promotions and Authority Challenges

Marina's exceptional performance earns her a promotion to second stewardess, much to Zara's surprise. However, the promotion feels abrupt and raises questions about leadership decisions aboard the yacht. Lara attempts to assert her authority by promoting Marina, but her methods come under scrutiny.

Ronnie Karam [28:29]:
"Serena's reactions are just so childish and passive-aggressive."

5. Nate and Alicia's Developing Relationship

Nate and Alicia embark on a date, showcasing budding chemistry amidst the chaos on board. Their interactions are monitored by other crew members, adding layers of complexity to the onboard relationships.

Ben Mandelker [44:56]:
"Alicia's making a quick cheese board for her date, which she's... I like this. This is kind of a power move."

6. Captain Jason's Leadership Struggles

Captain Jason faces leadership challenges as his authority is undermined by both Lara and Zarina. His attempt to mediate conflicts often falls flat, leading to increased frustration and a lack of cohesion among the crew.

Ben Mandelker [24:14]:
"This captain, would have let you run the show, too, but you're the one going around and trying to manipulate and undermine people."

7. Humorous Side Notes: The Fish Report

Interspersed with the serious discussions, Ben and Ronnie provide a comedic "Fish Report," highlighting amusing observations about the yacht's aquarium inhabitants. This segment adds levity to the recap, showcasing the hosts' signature humor.

Ronnie Karam [35:00]:
"Look at this gorgeous neon green lobster. It looks like ecto cooler."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ben Mandelker [05:05]:
  "Why are you shocked and surprised?"

• Ronnie Karam [04:35]:
  "It's funny watching her really fall apart."

• Ben Mandelker [26:17]:
  "No, Laura, stop trying to manipulate and undermine people."

• Ronnie Karam [28:29]:
  "Serena's reactions are just so childish and passive-aggressive."

• Ben Mandelker [44:56]:
  "Alicia's making a quick cheese board for her date, which she's... I like this. This is kind of a power move."

• Ben Mandelker [24:14]:
  "This captain, would have let you run the show, too, but you're the one going around and trying to manipulate and undermine people."

• Ronnie Karam [35:00]:
  "Look at this gorgeous neon green lobster. It looks like ecto cooler."

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Conclusion and Tease for Part Two

Ben and Ronnie wrap up the episode by teasing the continuation of their recap in Part Two. They maintain their engaging and humorous tone, ensuring listeners are eager to return for the next installment.

Ronnie Karam [52:59]:
"This is a two-part recap. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two."

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This detailed summary encapsulates the key discussions, character dynamics, and humorous insights shared by Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam as they recap the latest episode of Below Deck Down Under. Whether you're a fan aiming to catch up or a newcomer intrigued by yacht drama, this summary provides a comprehensive overview of the episode's highlights.

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello, Bennuni Tunes. How are you doing today?

[Ben Mandelker]

Just grand. We're going to be talking some Below Deck down under, which is really becoming quite the pressure cooker of a season. Before we get into that, guess what? In just like two days, we're going to be doing our very first ever Las Vegas show at Wise Guys. It's going to be so fun. It really will be excellent. I cannot wait for a little Vegas time. We've always wanted to do a Vegas show and we're finally getting it done. And we're going to recap this week's Summer house there. So it's going to be a blast. Come join us. I can only imagine what a show in Vegas is going to be like. So let's have a great time. Let's. Okay. Let's have a great time in Vegas. It's gonna be fabulous. Tickets are at. Watch what crappens.com Also we added two more shows and then the tour is officially done. And so we have Seattle and then we have Los Angeles and both are going to be in June. And so those will be fabulous shows as well. All the ticket [e-mail] Additionally patreon.com watchfulcrappins is where you can watch us not just listen with Crappens on Demand. And then we also have our bonus episodes in the. We have recapped. We recapped Traders. We recapped White lotus in June. June 3rd is when it comes back. Love Island, USA. We're getting right back into it like we did last summer, so that'll be great. And leading up to that, we have some fun bonus episodes coming up. We recorded a road trip from Austin to Dallas over the weekend and we had a lot of fun just shooting the shit and bantering. So we're putting that all up there. And that's gonna be on Crapids on Demand as well. It will have a video going into three weeks.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, guest, guest star. Siri. We, we narrate a lot of Bucky's billboards. Ghost Padma is with us. It's really, it's a fun time anyway. That's all the fun stuff. But today it's time to talk some below deck. And I, I, I don't know. What are you thinking, Ronnie? I'm fine. This show's getting very stressful for me. It's so, there's so much stretching. Yeah, I'm very stressed.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not stressed with this, but I've been watching Andor and that just got me stressed. I was just telling Ben before this started, I was like, I'm so worried about the moon of Yarin and like, tonight's the season finale, so I've gotta, like, watch it. I, you know, I'm not stressed because I'm loving watching Laura's not working anymore because I think Lara's worked for a good part of the season. And now everyone's like, just shut up. Like, it's, it's not working on anybody. And so it makes me happy. This is like my payoff, I feel like, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's, it's funny watching her really fall apart. I actually felt like she was really on top of through so much of the season. But she has, she's kind of spiraled and to the point where, like, Jason seems like he's kind of over her and she's like, I feel like he doesn't like me. Like, well, yeah, because when he sat down, when he sat you and Zarina down to fix the problem that you two have, you stormed off. So that's not very Professional and like half a million other things that have happened. So, like, why are you. Why are you shocked and surprised?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, man. I mean, how can you be stressed out in an episode where Laura finally gets the fucking disco helmet? When she. When she got that disco helmet, I was like, okay, breakdown incoming. She's going to be the only person in history to not take this one. Well. Actually, that's not true. I'm sure somebody else is not taking it well. But a few, for the most part, people have a pretty good attitude about it because they know that it's fun. But I was like, not her. Have fun with this. And I sure had fun with it. I loved it. I loved every second of it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So let's get into it. We are below down Enter season three, episode 15. It's called smoothies Smooth Cheese.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they're all at crew dinner right now, and Zarina's crying because she feels like she's on the outside of a Cool Girls click. Etc. What she doesn't realize is that over the course of this episode, I feel like the Cool Girls clip click is crumbling because I think that Alicia is. Is really not a fan of Lara anymore. So. So she's sort of gaining her allies. But at this point in the episode, Zarina just feels like the weird outsider and Harry's trying to console her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, and also, little tattletail Brie has gone to the bathroom with Laura and tattled about Alicia, telling her all the stuff about Serena lying about Lara being late for work. So Lara's coming out ready to fight, but she comes out ready to fight and Serena's crying and Harry's like, you know, Harry's working on her. So Lara sees the crying and she's like, I don't buy this. I don't buy those tears. And she's like, oh, Harry, I just don't want to drag you into this shit, do I? But. And he's like, but I'm here, I'm here. I'm lead Boats and Cry on Me. And she's like, well, it's like, I also had to speak with Jason today. I didn't want to get into that. It's just. It's rough. So Serena's a mess over there.

[Ben Mandelker]

She really is. And Harry loves it because he's this season's biggest toddler, which is probably why he and Brie got along so well. And he's just gathering gossip. He's like, you'll look, two are going.

[Ronnie Karam]

To be dangerous if they get married and have babies. Those are like the dangers of the neighborhood. The little tattletale couple, they're going to be like the head of the HOA and just go around tattletailing on everybody and leaving little notes, but doing it with a sm, like, oh, we see you've got an unapproved lawn sign. That's not good. But, you know, we can always fix this. Just fix it by this date, or you're in trouble. Don't forget.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Zarina's like, I'm really with myself over this. I want to make things right. But then I also don't want her to walk all over me because I don't think I'm in the wrong. So then Nate comes over, and he gives Zarina a hug, and now they go off to the club, and Marina is like, oh, look at you guys. You're all matching the same color of orange. And she's talking to Alicia and Nate because Alicia, Nate are kind of flirting, and it looks like they have a love connection that's burgeoning.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel like I'm at Applebee's because I'm surrounded by a lot of uninteresting couples that I don't care about.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a fair way to put it.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is like Applebee's on Mother's Day. There are a lot of basic people that I don't care about saying loving things to each other. Can I just get my check?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, because everyone here is. Everyone in this episode, at least the start of it is like making out with someone else. Except for Lara, basically. But everyone is paired off and everyone's kissing. It's kind of like Love Island.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Alicia, who is just kind of using Nate as a place mark at this point, it's just like, well, we have a connection that's undeniable, but, you know, I don't want to get emotions, but he's goodlooking and he's charming, so I don't know. He's a good temp.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, once you've climbed Mount Olympus, everything else is just a. It's just a regular blonde hill. So Alicia is saying, once you've had.

[Ronnie Karam]

A dolma, a pig in a blanket just won't do. You know what I'm saying?

[Ben Mandelker]

Once you've had tzatziki, plain yoga just isn't quite the same, is it? So Alicia is like. She's like, you know, Nate, I know I shouldn't say this, but I find you very interesting. Am I the first person to ever say that to you? I sort of suspect I am. He's like, oh, well, I find you. I find you quite interesting myself. And so you wanna, you wanna dance and everything. She's like, oh, yeah. Are you trying to get me drunk? She's like, yeah, I'm trying to get you drunk and vulnerable. Yeah. These two are very boring. They're extreme. They're exceedingly boring. Even as I recite their dialogue, I am actually actively bored with the words coming out of my mouth.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's. That's just how it's going. So then they go back to the boat and they're in the cabs and Harry's like, ooh, what does everyone think of Alicia and what's his face? Do you think they'll ever leave trash on their lawn by accident? Not pick it up until I send Brie over? And Lara's like, I think they're a vibe. I might buy one of them a gift soon to try and turn them against Serena. I mean, they're my kind of people for sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm always going to root for strawberry. So Alicia is talking like, she's saying how they danced and they're like just being jokey. And it's like, yeah, we had a little bit of a movie moment. We had a bit of a kiss. Cuz I think they kissed on the dance floor, I believe. And so Zarina's like, oh, that's great. I'm going to eat a pizza in bed and cry and I'm going to pretend to fall asleep and snore and see if Lara tries to suffocate me with a pillow. I bet she will. Stupid.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't like that Serena says that in such a sad way. Like, I'm gonna eat a pizza and cry. I'm like, it's called Saturday. Like, why are we acting like that's not our favorite day of the week?

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Saturday, or is it Saturday?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, yeah, it's a Saturday. It works. Yeah. So Marina is talking about her situation with Nick and she's doing this whole thing, like, oh, I feel so comfortable. I'm so happy. You know, this is all I really wanted. And now I finally have it. I'm vulnerable with a man. Nothing can ever stop us. And I just muttered, I will give this 10 more minutes because that's how these shows work. Sure enough, I think it took 20 actually. And she's like, wait a minute, I'm mad at you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. And then Lara is getting gossip from Lycia. She's like, so what was the kiss with Nate like? She's like, oh, it Was nice to kiss him, but I actually feel really bad about the whole Johnny thing. And Bree's like, oh, my God. I thought Johnny was, like, a good fling, but, like, not like, a real choice. And Alicia's like, oh, I don't know. She's caught between Nate and memories of Johnny, and Johnny is caught between Alicia and punching a wall. It's a lot of. A lot of torn emotions.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's so much emotion for people that you've known a week, you know? She's like, well, should I date that guy? Should it be the one that I've known for a week or the one that I've known for a week? I just don't know. I just don't know. And Nate's much more confident, you know? He's like, I don't know if you guys saw us ripping up the dance floor, but we kissed and then dancing. Soon we'll be married with babies. I'll catch up with my sisters yet. And then Harry's like, I think it stinks in here. And he's like, yeah, farted. Left that part out of the story, but major farts. Major farts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, girls, I don't know if you know about this, but Nate likes to fart in small rooms. Don't. You didn't hear it from me. XOXO Gossip Harry.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now everybody goes to bed, but Marina and Nick are lying next to the hot tub being romantic. And then Bri and Harry are talking, and they just. I don't. There's not much chemistry here with Brien. What are you laughing at?

[Ben Mandelker]

I agree. I feel like they like each other. I feel like she likes him because he's a nice guy, and she got burned with, like, a not so nice guy, But I don't really see her being that into him. I think that he's really into her, but this is just like. I don't know. I don't. I don't really see the passion here.

[Ronnie Karam]

So there's like, a sourdough piece of bread. It's like a slice of sourdough bread next to a slice of white bread, and they're both like, I know we should go together, but we just. We just don't. We don't taste right together. But let's get in the bag together anyway, because we look the same.

[Ben Mandelker]

They both know which one's gonna get served at the restaurant. Okay. When the flight attendant comes down the aisle in business class and says, which one do you want? The passengers are gonna say, the sourdough. Now, the other thing here's where I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Know I just had a moment. That's why sourdough and white bread are in my mind, because I usually buy sourdough loaves. And this week I was like, you know what? This isn't great. Like, there's something like raw tasting or weird. And maybe I'm just sick of it because I've had it so much. And then so I went to the store, and this time I bought a white loaf. And let me tell you, I'm back to white. I'm back. I don't need to try and talk myself into thinking I'm a classier person. White bread's better. Fuck your sourdough. You know what you do to make sourdough? You take a little piece of fungus and you keep it growing at all times to keep it sour and disgusting. And I think that we're like, I have an adult palate, so I like sourdough better. But in truth, white bread is where it's at. There, I said it. I'll lead. The solution. Stand up for your.

[Ben Mandelker]

I hear what you're saying. I love that you're taking. You're taking back white bread. You're owning it. I hear everything you said and there. And white bread definitely, you know, definitely delicious. But I'm going to say that sour. Sourdough is, in my mind, superior. I think it just has more flavor, it's more fun. And the way it hits the back of your tongue, that. That sour thing. Now, what I will say, though, is that they're like, sourdough is. Can't be subbed in for everything. So, like, if you're gonna give me a like, oh, here's a sourdough bagel. No, no, no. It doesn't work like that. Bagel is bagel. Sourdough, sourdough.

[Ronnie Karam]

Never the tween showing shout.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what?

[Ronnie Karam]

Never. The twin is here. That's it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Twain is never the twin. She'll eat. You can't put sourdough in everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll tell you this. Mark Twain was one picky eater. Okay, so Bri and Harry are doing their basic romance movie where she's like, are you happy? And he's like, I'm happy. You make me hippie. I would love to keep traveling with you. After the season, we could go to Cape Town Safari. There's so many people going against HOA rules. And she's like, yeah, you're gonna be an amazing travel partner. It's like, yeah, I can't wait to take you to my favorite hostel. And she's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

When he says, we're gonna go to a hostel. York. Now, she's from New Jersey, so she knows what a hostile New York is. Is roughly going to be like. And she's like, you know, we're on TV right now. Like, we don't have to do the hostel thing. Like, we're kind of celebrities now. She is that. Nothing is more ick inducing than saying, I can't wait to do a hostel in New York. You know who was in a hostel in New York? Luigi Mangioni, Whatever his face is. That's. That's the vibe you're going to get. Okay, people, you're just selling tickets to the hostel now.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're just selling tickets now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Everybody's like, yeah, there'll be hot people.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm totally in hostile. It is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, there will be hot people, but they may just shoot you on the sidewalk.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And so she's like, is there a room service in hostels? It's like, nope. No, you'll. They'll probably not even ruin. You know.

[Ben Mandelker]

There'S no service.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, guys, we've got a famous maid. Congratulations. We're gonna finally get the community toilet cleaned.

[Ben Mandelker]

Famous. She's like, that's the biggest red flag ever. I would say so. Don't you ever. The word hostel should never come up in. In the courtship phase, okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

I stayed in hostels when I first moved to New York. I stayed in a couple, and they weren't so bad. I liked them. I don't know if I do it now, although I did pass a hostel. We were in some city recently, and I passed a hostel. I was like, oh, that's a nice hotel. And it was a hostel. And I was like, wow, it's actually kind of nice. I think we're too old, though, right, to be walking in and being like, hello, young people. What you guys got on your Kindle? Let's all sit in a circle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. The window. The window for the hostile window for me, has closed, unfortunately. It also never really opened. I just was like, I just can't. I'm never gonna. I was like, I can't do it. I understand. They are a really great option for people who don't. Yeah. If you're broke, if you want to travel on a dime, obviously, they are a great service for that. But I was always like, ew, gross. I'd just rather not travel. I would just sacrifice the travel, then go to a hostel.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I went to live my dreams of being a waiter in a pizza restaurant. So, yeah, that was fun. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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[Ronnie Karam]

So now we go back to Nick and Marina by the hot tub. And he's like, oh, I'm coming to the hot tub. Yeah. And she's like, why is hot tub green? And he's like, because there's copper in the water tank. And when it oxidizes with oxygen in the water in the air, it turns green. This is something. Are all the men just trying to turn off the women? Today we go from hostile talk to oxidizing copper.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, but she loves this. She's like, oh, God. It's hard for me to open up because I don't want to be seen as weak. And I see my mom Give her whole heart to my dad, and my dad just throws it away. But, Nick, the way he talks about copper and water, God, that really turns me on. All I want to do is talk about oxidation. You know, tomorrow. Tomorrow I'm going to ask him about statue of Liberty, and I'm kind of expecting a full blown orgasm.

[Ronnie Karam]

All I wanted for my mother's and father's wedding or for their relationship was to be oxidated. And now I've finally found a man. I'm finally going to be vulnerable. After mom and dad, I was like, weren't you just in love with the boats in two weeks ago? Like, why are you acting like it takes you so much time to open.

[Ben Mandelker]

Up and like, not?

[Ronnie Karam]

But I'm sorry about.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry about your parents. But not everything also needs to be connected to your grandma too, either. Let's say it's like, oh, so the water is green because of oxidation. Oh, my grandma would love to hear that story, because she basically turns red with all the hard work she does keeping our family alive. So between grandma turning red and pool turning green, it's just so exciting to see things changing colors.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just. I don't want to think about the future. I just want to think about the present. And the present, it's oxidated, which is very nice. So then my grandmother, they start talking about traveling the world together. And now they go to bed, and it's the next morning, and Nate is texting Alicia to see if she wants to meet up for the sunset. And then it's back to shammy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Everybody cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, cleaning.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, preference chart meeting. Preference sheet meeting. Everybody, let's all meet up. How are we? And it's charter. Eight, one day. Charter. Bunch of cheap ass. All right, we've got a bunch of cheap ass people coming here. There are hostile people. Okay? These people have $20 to their name.

[Ben Mandelker]

Matt Rosenberg. He's an attorney from Pennsylvania. He doesn't believe in zippers. He's an amish attorney. It's our first amish guests. Nope. Oh, no. It's just a regular, non Amish person. That's too bad. And he'll be joining with his wife Mia and three other couples. So they want a scuba. They want to go on a dive. They want to have a fancy tropical night, which, you know what? I'm actually kind of okay with that because it's, like, better than the person from New Jersey who comes onto the yacht in the Seychelles. They want to have, like, Italian night. You know, it's like, why did you leave New Jersey, come to the Seychelles and have tropical night. So I support this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just a little.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now's a good critics corner, Ben's critics corner, on their itinerary choices.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it is nice to have kind of a basic one after, like, let's do a circus. You know, all of them get. They get crazier and crazier. And these people are like, we're here for five minutes. Feed us and get us drinks. That would be great. Okay, maybe we'll go swimming in the water. So he's like, all right, now the three of us need to talk. It's head to the and experienced people. You've got to stop the undercurrent. All right? We need to be working together. I do not like having to come out here and talk to people who work for me. Okay. Please keep me out of this as much as possible. So Lara's like, oh, he's looking at me and thinking, this is all of my fault, because Sabrina has got her best fake happy smile on. Why has she been smiling? Yeah, she's just sitting there having a good time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. On my last boat, I definitely had a good relationship with my captain on board. We were close, and I really ran the show. It's what I'm used to. So I don't want to disappoint the captain. Could you imagine? No way. That's why I'm going to tell him right now that I plan to promote Marina. And here we go. Oh, wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just want things to be better for me and the captain. So I'm going to undercut him and undermine him right now in front of everybody. Yeah. I think that the cat. This captain, would have let you run the show, too, but you're the one going around and trying to manipulate and undermine people to the point that he actually had to step in. I mean, you're lucky to have this captain because he literally does not want to come out and do shit. He wants you guys to do every. He doesn't want you to even ask him questions. He's like, just leave me alone. I came with the disco ball and kimonos, okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's my personality. You got this guy. You've made him come out of his room because of you and your drama. It's been going the whole season, man.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And, like, honestly, this would be the time to say, you know what? I'm really glad you pushed me to put Marina on service, because she was really wonderful. And, you know, thanks. Thanks for. Thanks for opening my eyes to that. And you know, it's just goes to show, like, we all have room to grow, and I really appreciate something like that, you know, but he just doesn't even really acknowledge that normal. Does she say, I'm going to promote Marina? Which becomes a point later on. So, anywho. So that all happens, and she's now paranoid. So then Lara's like, serena, do you have time to chat at some point? And Serena's like, of course I do. Lovely. So she's sounding nice and warm, like, okay, they're gonna finally, like, patch up this stupid fight that they're in.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just promise you won't be late for the chat, right? So they go sit down, and she's like, all right, yeah, I wanted to have this chat because, like, obviously I feel like there's still tension and I don't want there to be tension. And Serena's like. And she's like, so the other day it upset me when you said I woke up late for work because you didn't even know when I was up for work. And that's a lie. And it upsets me because we're meant to be friends. Didn't you call her a. Like, five seconds before that? Probably.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do I have a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do I have a historian here to remind me of this? Because I think you did. And so she's like, I just want to move forward.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, you know, we. We both sort of agreed that, like, this Zarita probably should not. It was funny to watch, but professionally, not very cool to just fully lie like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Zarina's like, well, actually, honestly, I don't care. I think she just ceded the high ground because she would have been winning this whole thing if she hadn't done that. Because now Lara has pick. Found one thing to pick on. After all the shit she's done with Serena, she's now got the one thing that she can pick on over and over again and use it as a weapon against Serena. So it was just a bad move tactically, but, yeah, it was fun to watch.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Zarina's like, so you've tried to. You tried to have a lot of control over my department and put a lot of poison in it. Well, guess what? I'm severing that poison with a fork. And I think a line was broken for both of us the other morning. But I also don't want to take all the blame for that morning. Just goes, but you haven't even said, sorry, Serena. She goes, did you. For telling you the plates were hot? She's like, yes, you should have said sorry. You should have. Sorry. Those plates were hot. And. Because that was clearly the master plan for these delicious, delicious soups. And you got it wrong. Okay? You should have apologized.

[Ronnie Karam]

Menorah's like, but it started with the crew mess. I mean, it's just a vacuum and a wipe and just to check there's no food off, which is standard. It's just 15 minutes. So I just don't understand why you can't do it. Then do it. Then fucking do it. Then. Why can't you or one of your people do it? If it's so simple and so easy, then it should be just as easy for you to do it, ma' am.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so Zarina has the right response, which is, she's not a fucking stewardess. She's a sous chef. That's literally what she got hired for. And Lara's like, okay, but here's the actual difference, Zarina, I'm asking you stuff about work, and you're actively going at me personally. I'm like, yeah, no. Well, no, but that doesn't explain the fact that Alicia is not a stew and should not be doing the cleaning. That's not.

[Ronnie Karam]

Serena's not going after you personally by saying, that's not that girl's job. Why are you taking that personally? That's silly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, she came after work. Well, but even the work thing, if you were late for work, that is a work thing. That's not a personal thing. She's not saying you're a stupid. She's saying you're came in for. Came in late for work, which would be an operational critique.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think what she was saying is like, you made up a lie about me just to get under my skin, and now you're saying I'm poisoning things like those. Those hue. More like. Like personal issues as opposed to, like, hey, you know, I want, like, this communication or that. Whatever. But I think, though, that, like, Zarina saying that, that Alicia is not a stew and is not hired to clean up things in the. In the crew mess is a work critique.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but, yeah, you're right. I think she was referring to when she did get personal. So Serena's like, okay, but I'm telling you that I felt like I was pushed in a way that I had to react like that because you've had. And it's your way or the highway. And she's like, well, I just think now, you know, you're just trying to make jabs at me because you can't accept that you've Lied about me. That's not a jab. She's like, telling you what her problem with you is, and she goes, but what about my story? And she's like, well, tell me what I need to be sorry for, and then I'll be sorry for it, because everything I've said has to do with work. Yeah, but you're trying to force her employee into doing your work. And then to get your way or to get this girl not to like her, you're going and buying lipstick and pulling her aside to talk shit about her boss. I mean, that's pretty personal.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You know what this really all stems from? On the one hand, it sort of stems from those plates, that plate issue. But also, really, what this stems from is that whole fricking picnic where Lara was like, you have to go to the beach, and Zarina didn't have to go to the beach. And I feel. I just want Zarina to say, you know what? Here's an example. You made me waste a whole bunch of fucking time going on a beach where I just took Saran Wrap off of bowls of salad and came back and stuff like that. That bothers me. And I want you to trust that when I say I'm not needed, that. That I am not needed. That I understand. I understand beach picnics. I understand situations. You need to trust me, and you did not show me trust. And this is where our erosion. The erosion of our relationship began.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Because a lot of the stuff Serena could is in the right, but Serena's reactions are just so childish and ba. You know, passive aggressive. And then she flies off the handle, and then she's like, oh, so I guess I'm not important that I couldn't go, oh, guess she couldn't do that. She acts like a child. Child. And then, you know, it lends. It gives Laura more power every time. She does.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Instead of just being like, no, I'm not. Like, no, I'm not going to the beach. Like, she doesn't even have to say at night. It's like, no, I'm not going to the beach. My job is here. And if you need a head of department, then you should go.

[Ben Mandelker]

Absolutely. Yeah. And just say, look, I understand why you feel like there should be a head of department. I'm telling you, I. I hear what you're saying. I know the situation. It's okay. Alicia will go. I'm gonna stay here. It's more important for me to stay here and prep for later on. And if it's so important for head of Charter. Then maybe you should go.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not even maybe. No, you should go.

[Ronnie Karam]

No is. No is a complete sentence.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think that Laura needs. Yes, it is. I think the thing is that, like, both of them need to feel like they are being considered, and both of them communicate in a way where the other one does not feel considered. So when Laura said, says, I need you to go to the beach, and she says, well, no. Lara feels undermined with her authority. And of course, Zarina feels undermined, and they just need to speak in a way that says no, but says, I acknowledge what you need from me, and I realize the situation, but do know I'm hearing what you need. But, like, it's okay. You don't need me.

[Ronnie Karam]

But that's a lot of therapy talk to just say, you don't have to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Say it in those words, but you have to say the word. They. They both need to inject more care for the other person in the way they talk to each other, and they're just failing at that tremendously. They don't have to speak in therapy speak. They just have to be. Find a way to sort of like, yeah, just be more thoughtful to each other while they reject each other's requests.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I mean, she's feeling like she's usurping her authority, but you don't have authority over Serena.

[Ben Mandelker]

So that's the thing, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, and now you've made me feel like crap, so I don't think we should speak to each other other than work. And that's okay. Good. Good talk. Lara, you're really great at these.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Has Laura had even one talk with anybody on this boat that's ever worked out? Like, no, she hasn't. She's all ended in her having some kind of little princess knit.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. And this is why. Also, like, she's such a dumbass for walking out when Jason sat them down because, like, you. You clearly need a third party here. And, like, I think he actually could have helped in that situation. But she's. She's really not bad. Not good at this. So she storms off right by Captain and J. And Jason's like, are you all good? And she's like, yep. Like, oh, I wonder why he doesn't connect with you because you brush him off all the time when you. When you go by him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And then Alicia sees Serena and she's like, that's not a good face. Which. Do I really need you on top of it all? All right, can you reword that while we're talking about rewording things, commercials.

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[Ronnie Karam]

So then Jason has made a mini disco helmet for the fish. And I wonder how many activists are like, how dare you put sharp things in the fish tank? So you know, they're like little glued squares on top of a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't worry, it will corrode down to nothing in that algae infested tank soon enough. Maybe. By the way, maybe now would be a good time to talk about the fish report for the week. Since we're talking about the fish tank. Shall we?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, let's do it. Fish report. Fish report.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right out of the gate. I mean, look at this gorgeous neon green lobster. It looks like ecto cooler. It looks like 1992. This is one of the most tremendous lobsters we've ever seen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Its color matching is fantastic. Green and yellow go together very well. It's even standing next to a subtle pink. This is a diva. The lobster world, however, it is giving me broccolini, so I'm going to say no.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is it actually giving you broccolini? Is it like have a little. Has a little platter like. Sir, your broccolini has arrived.

[Ronnie Karam]

It looks. And look, it's. It's antennas are all wonky as well. It's int. He's drunk. This is a drunk broccolini lobster.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, perhaps who's visited Chernobyl.

[Ronnie Karam]

Get it together, sir. Okay. Stay away. When a sign says danger, do not enter. When it says October, stay away.

[Ben Mandelker]

Our next fish is Return to the Parisian makeup fish. We saw her, I think a week or two ago and she's just, she's just gorgeous. She's. I love, she just. I love that she's actually one of the few fishes that Actually just sits. Most of them are floating around. She's just like, I'm gonna sit here on this rock and I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna wait for my croissant to arrive.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is a judgy bee of a fish. I think she's got a cigarette in her hand that we're like, look how her lips are kind of open. She's like blowing out some sm. And look how she looks up and down. Look how she gives us the body eye. She's like, oh my God. Did you mean to wear that to work? You look disgusting.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you see Celeste the other day? Did you see what she wore to the fish office? Disgusting. She's a slut.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, hold on, I'll get those copies done for you in just a minute. You're like, you're just sitting there. Oh, really?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I just got a call from my brother. It turns out our cousin Marie is in the hospital. She has gaps out. I can't work under these conditions.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, next up is a shark. This is a shark who's found diet medication cheap online. So it's like I can take as much as I want to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this shark is just like a very chic shark. Just. And it's very slow too. It's just like, look, I know I'm menacing, but I can also be stylish.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because it's been taking too much GLP1s. It's like I'm exhausted. I'm thin, but I'm exhausted.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. Now this next group here of fish, I included this because I think these fish should be saluted for their bravery because look at, they're this gorgeous little school. And then Harry comes along and it's just so menacing over them and they're like, jesus, can we just like enjoy our party without this big ass giant coming and invading our space? So I'm just giving them a shout out for having to deal with hardship.

[Ronnie Karam]

I will say that I like Harry's eyebrows like this all arched up because he's under goggles and so it's lifting his eyebrows up. And I think he looks very nice.

[Ben Mandelker]

Nice, yeah. Also the use of perspective here is really wonderful. This is a great shot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Harry's like such a pro. He's not even looking at the camera. Cuz I feel like if you were underwater and getting this shot, I would be looking right at the camera. Like, are you getting my eyebrows?

[Ben Mandelker]

Also the big, the bigger fish here, they need to leave. This is not their party.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not to get out of. And look at this one here at the top. Look how. Look how it's dancing. It's like, yeah, we don't need you twerking. I know you don't see many men down here. Here.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can just leave now. Okay. This is the little fish party.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, I. To this one. What I love about this one is this one loves drama. This is like a. I don't even know what this is called. It basically looks like a. Like a, like a part, like a, like a party. Not like a. Like a. It's basically like a tube.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like a bunch of feathers popping out of a straw basically is what it looks like. It's like a straw. And then boom.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello, boys. This one's our most dramatic of the week.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let the sunshine let the sun shining. This one's. Yeah, this one's partying. I like this one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. This one's.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've never seen something like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, big drama, big explosion of hair. You know, the sea turtle is a classic. This one is included this week mainly because we don't really often get a nighttime sea turtle, especially not lit from below. And I know that underlining is not always is what we want from our divas, but here I think, you know, I think the sea turtle is really showing off a beautiful pale underside for the cameras.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, this is why I don't like going to, like, cruises or topical tropical locations where everybody's like, in shorts and I feel all fat because look at this turtle and his eight pack. This turtle has an amazing figure. And I'm just like, can I just enjoy my vacation without feeling inferior? You know? And I can't because the turtle's like insisting on swimming above me in the night to show me his six pack.

[Ben Mandelker]

Really? All the. All the hot aquatic animals or creatures are coming out today. Between this and the shark. I mean, it's like all the hotties.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are out tonight today also to this turtle. Close your leg to married men.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And I think this is a puffer fish. And I just. First of all, I love. I just think that this is. This puffer fish is just wearing a beautiful clean, polka dotted look, but then also has some great earrings. Look at, look at her, look at her fin earrings. She's like, I'm gonna put on some big hoop earrings and I'm just gonna float along with these orange fish.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I just think the earrings are great. I love the dress that kind of goes with the fins, but it's not all the same things. The polka Dots are great. I will say this fish has kind of extended butthole eyes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And maybe, like, the makeup is a little bit too much on the face. It's giving, like Meredith Marks wearing a mask. Mask.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's too much like, get an eye job because, like, you're. You have butthole eyes. You know what I mean? And they're gross. But I love your outfit.

[Ben Mandelker]

Otherwise, great work. Great work. And then finally.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Like this. Yeah. I was like, look this. Normally the jellyfish just come floating on like stupid, stupid pieces of. Of flotsam. But here, this jellyfish puts on a show. This. We've never seen a more active jellyfish before on below deck. So I think this one gets honorary mention because it's. It's featured on the. On. On. You know, it's. It's not. It's a. It's on the teas for next week.

[Ronnie Karam]

But look at the lawn. Look at this. Oh, yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Somersaults. A somersaulting jellyfish. That's just unheard.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what else I appreciate about this? It's not see through. This is a jellyfish. That is solid. You don't have to see through the jellyfish and look at all their organs. And I really appreciate that. It's like a modest dancer jellyfish, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. It almost looks like a. Like a squid. Its tentacles look like a squid, but it's actually a jellyfish. It's kind of.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is it a jellyfish? Maybe it's not.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is it just a squid that has, like, an inverted face? I think it's a jellyfish.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is. This is a squid with my aunt Louisa's hair. My great Aunt Louisa had this haircut. This bull.

[Ben Mandelker]

But this. This squid. I mean, this. This jellyfish definitely works like weddings and bar mitzvahs. Like, it's like, okay, we're going to get the dance floor going. It's going to, like, get out there on the dance floor and do some big moves. And then everyone comes on out. Like, Aunt Be gets out on the.

[Ronnie Karam]

D. Okay, that brings us to the end of the fish report.

[Ben Mandelker]

Fish report. My favorite was a lobster. Still, I have to say, I love that neon lobster. That was.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm going to give it to the somersaulting jellyfish squid at Lulu hair. I'm sorry, butthole eyes. But you didn't even come in second. Like, fix your face.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no buttholes. Was not butthole. Was not going to come in.

[Ronnie Karam]

No butthole eyes. Get out of here. Butthole eyes. Okay, so then now back to the show. We are at n. I don't know, basically telling everybody to get ready. Meanwhile, Alicia is making a quick cheese board for her date, which she's. I like this. This is kind of a dis to the fired boson that she's like, that's. Look at me making a cheese board for myself. And that's called power.

[Ben Mandelker]

Or I would love it if it was actually a cheese board she made for Von. But then she put it in the fridge and wrapped it up, and then she saved it for this moment. She's like, I will eat Vyon's cheese. So they have a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Literally through a can, of course, light at the TV when he saw her making a cheese board for her own date.

[Ben Mandelker]

But what about my cheese? Yeah. So they have a chemistry free date. And the Marina leaves a note on next door and says, your smile lights the room and brightens my day. Behos. And that's like a cute little, little note for him.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wouldn't write back either. Her. What a weird note. What do I have to get reviewed every time? Do I walk into a room like, keep your Yelp reviews. I'm just trying to live.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Bri and Lara are talking, and Bri's like, marina's been amazing. And Lar's like, yeah, Maria's been absolutely great. And they're basically saying how Marina's really, really good. And we never see this on below deck. Normally the stews, the second and third ones or potential second ones, they usually fight to the death to get those. Those stripes. But Brie is kind of like, yeah, yeah. Marina's really, really good at her job, Weirdly supportive, not a common thing to see.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Lara's like, well, I have to admit, Marina did great on service for somebody with dark hair. And maybe Jason does know a little bit about yachting. You had one nice moment on the show and you just had to go and ruin it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Nate and Alicia are on their date and he's like, so this has been an amazing date. And she's like, well, there has to be some perks in kissing the sous chef. I really appreciate you bringing the energy onto the boat. It's really refreshing. So it's. Everyone's watching them on their. On their. On the closed circuit TV on their date and everything. It's kind of like being in the head of household room on Big Brother. And they're all, you know, it's cute.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, ew, kissing after eating cheese. Nick says, what? Animals. Animals. So then Nate's asking About the tattoo on her ankle. And she's like, well, it might beat chart. It's somewhere I've lived half the year when I was growing up. There's all four girls of us like in this big garden. So we had a chart on our ankles that tracked the beats. You know, I'm a big fan of beats, so my mother used to make me count them on my ankle. It was a really good time growing up. What kind of, what kind of childhood is that?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't even, I don't even remember her saying this. And I'm like, now that I'm seeing that she has a beaten chart, I'm.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, what, what is a beat chart?

[Ben Mandelker]

I need to know what. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

A chart, beat chart. Maybe it's just a misspelling. Oh, no, there's a beat chart. I mean there's some here. One's a pie chart of different colors and then one's a thing of a beat. And then there's like a size chart where you see Small beats are 2 inches in diameter, medium beats are 2 and a half. It couldn't be that, right? The is them feature chart.

[Ben Mandelker]

The beat chart there must either. She just has a chart of like I. I couldn't remember how many beats there were. Turns out there's red beats and golden beets, but it's still a lot. So I just have a chart on my ankle.

[Ronnie Karam]

So yeah, she has beat a beat tattoo. And he's like, oh, you've got four sisters. Are. Do you? I'm so stoked. I have a daughter. She'll have me wrapped around a little finger on my sure of it. I'm sure of it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I could have sworn he was about to do the the age old. Well, I actually have a little girl. She lives in Fort Lauderdale with her mother and everything I do is for her. I can't wait to see her. I was like, please don't do this. But he doesn't. And he's like a daughter on spec.

[Ronnie Karam]

I would have liked to been married by nab it. Sometimes I get pretty intense pretty quickly. Years ago I met a Texan girl on a plane. Fell in love with her, brought her back to Australia, bought her a kangaroo, knocked up the kangaroo. Lived chaos of that decision. She left me still with the kangaroo. Kangaroo. Became an alcoholic and a chain smoker. Tried to make it work. Believe it or not, the kangaroo left me. Cuz I just fall in love that deep.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sir, we know you're just reciting the plot of Crocodile Dundee. Okay, stop trying to fool us so we know it's Linda Kowalski you're talking about. So Alicia, meanwhile, they pack up and everything, and they go back downstairs, and they're like. Harry's like, oh, we've just been watching tv. And he's like, TV where? They're like, right here, we're watching your date. Like, oh, funny. And Nate, importantly says, all right. Yeah, yeah, that's right. You got some footage how? The smoochies smoochies all around on that footage. And Alicia's like, did you call them smoochies? Smoochies?

[Ronnie Karam]

Please don't ever do that again. Again. I can't get fanny flutters when you say things like, smoochies, smoochies.

[Ben Mandelker]

And this becomes an issue. This becomes a storyline.

[Ronnie Karam]

Smoochies, smoochies is baby talk, isn't it? I'm just not doing it for me. No fanny flutters here. I mean, my vagina just folded in with the thought of that.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Nick and Marina have a good night smoochie. And then they go to bed. So Nick finds his. Nick finds a note and then looks at the camera like, this note has oxidized. So now it's the morning, and it's three hours before charter. Everyone's waking up. Alicia's nervous, and Serena's saying how Lara's still refusing to speak to her, but, like, whatever. And Lara's like, okay, everyone, I'm going to keep it the same as last time. Fellow Stus. Marina, you'll be on service with me and Bree. Brie, I'm gonna let you try to figure out how to turn on a shower. If you can do that, then there's a future for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way, I know people are probably sick of us harping on showers. We were just in a hotel this week. I couldn't figure out the shower. Was it really the one? The Austin one or the Dallas one? It had two knobs that went different ways, and I couldn't turn it off. I could not figure out how to turn it off. So stupid. Like, you see, this is. This is. We're even talking about this right now on Below deck. It's too much. So, Bri, I get you. So Laura is like, all right, now, Marina, you've improved massively, and you've taken on board everything that I've said. Unfortunately, Bri doesn't know how to turn on a shower and cries when she has to fold toilet paper into shapes. So, Marina, you've won two epaulettes. You've won an epaulette with two stripes on it. Congratulations. You are now officially my second steal.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this sort of came out of nowhere because it seemed like, like, Marina was the runt of the litter. She was. She begrudgingly let Marina be on service, and then after one service, she gets promoted. It almost seems too hasty. But I think actually, to your. Your joke had truth and jest because. Because she realized, oh, Maria can kick ass in the laundry and kick ass on service, and Bri is actually really all she can do is serve drinks. So I get it, but it just felt like. It felt like such a hairpin turn that I just almost didn't even trust it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, this might seem like pushing it, and I know that sometimes I don't like people, and I tend to put every wrongdoing on that person, but I think she's being manipulative. I think she feels the. The tone of the boat turning against her, and she needs people on her side. So this way, she gets somebody else on her side. She gets to look like a person who's not abusive to her employees by giving someone some recognition, and she gets kind of a good girl pin for herself by doing this for somebody else.

[Ben Mandelker]

But she messes it up, because the whole point of this, too, is, like, a big component, is to then go to the captain, be like, you know what? You're right. And, well, you're saying you're right, and not only are you right, I think I actually want to make her second stew, and she doesn't do that. Like, hello, you gotta squeeze. She's this fruit for all its juice.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it's hard for her to say she's. That anybody else is right. I think that she always wants to be right. So I think it's difficult, and this is her way of trying to communicate that he was right, if that makes any sense.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's almost like her trying to make an effort towards Jason. Like, she's trying to make Jason like her by saying, look, you were right. She was great, and now I'm gonna honor the person that you forced me to do something. So she thinks she's doing a good thing, but she doesn't go to him, and then when confronted with it, makes mess out of herself. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, didn't. Didn't Nate make Harry the lead deckhand before telling Jason?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, he went to Jason.

[Ben Mandelker]

He went to Jason first.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, wait, did he?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I think he went and I think he just made Harry the lead deckhand on the spot and then told Jason and Jason's like I love, love that. But you know, it is. I think though, even though he did it before, before telling Jason, he still took the time to go tell Jason, hey, I just did this right? As opposed to the order.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I think you're right because remember Harry said, well, I want to be lead that kind. And then did he go to Jason and then tell Harry his lead deckhand or did he.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I think he told Harry first but he then went and had a dedicated conversation. We said, by the way, I told Harry he's lead deck can. And so I think that like in this case, Jason had to find out later on the episode circuitously.

[Ronnie Karam]

So that's, you know, well, points for circuitously. I'll tell you who's getting my circuitous view.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know who's circuitous? That jellyfish going around in circles like a little Mary Lou Retton of the ocean.

[Ronnie Karam]

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