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Ronnie Karam
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Ronnie Karam
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Ronnie Karam
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Ronnie Karam
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Ronnie Karam
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Ronnie Karam
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- [02:48]
Ben Mandelker
Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?
- [02:54]
Ronnie Karam
Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappins, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on Ye Olde Bros. Welcome to the Valley Day, everybody. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben. Hi, Ben.
- [03:07]
Ben Mandelker
Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?
- [03:08]
Ronnie Karam
Good. Welcome to your show. You're almost in Norway. You've got two more shows till you've got a week in Norway.
- [03:16]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, people may not know this because I haven't really even talked about it on the main show. I just have talked about it on other shows I feel like. But yeah, I am going on holiday to Norway tomorrow after our summer House recap. Once we're done doing Summer House. So, yeah, I'm off to Norway for a week and it's gonna be, it's gonna be a fun, wild time.
- [03:39]
Ronnie Karam
And it's also gonna be a fun, wild time here at Watch what happens because we've got celebrity guest hosts coming up next week. We're gonna have, let's see here, we've got Kempire, Amy Phillips, Ryan Bailey, Laura Shane, Hal Page Six, Danny Pellegrino. We've got a lot of people coming to Krappins, a lot of friends of the show coming to hang out with me while Ben is gone. So be here next week to check that out. Our three part road trip is now on Patreon. It's a really fun video road trip in Texas Ben and I took. And starting in June we will be covering Love island on Patreon exclusively. So join us for that. Also, we have two final live shows. We've got Seattle on June 12th and on June 19th we've got Los Angeles. So go get your tickets at. Watch what crappens.com for that. Hey, lots of fun stuff coming down the pike.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, it's gonna be great. And you have such a fun week ahead of you with all those wonderful guests. I love them all and they're all so funny. It's, it's gonna be a stacked, stacked lineup of shows.
- [04:46]
Ronnie Karam
Yeah, it's gonna be a fun, fun time. So very excited for that. You know, Bravo's announcing some shows they're putting out this summer. I'm getting a little worried. There's something like the Beans of Beansville. What is that Western show?
- [04:57]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, some cowboy show like the McBeans and the Beans. The fuck well, you know what? You know what's really mortifying? So Bravo also has a show coming out this July called King's Court, which I think is a. I have to assume it's a spin off of Queen's Court. And so among other people that are on it is Tyson Beckford. And I say this all because People magazine had a. Like, I think it's like their hottest issue or whatever. Like, hottest guys or hottest people in the world. So. So they did this spread of, like, the hottest, hottest guys of Bravo. And it was like, Tyson Beckford, because now he's a Bravo guy. So Tyson Beckford. But then it's like, Carl and Shep and Tom Schwartz and Fraser from below deck. And I was like, tyson Beckford does not deserve this. This is an iconic male model, arguably the most famous and influential male model ever. He's gorgeous. This is a man who's been gorge for decades and decades, and he is being put on the same platform as Shep and Carl. No, this is so not right. Justice for Tyson Beckford. Put him in a different picture. At the very least, don't lump him in there with Shep. That's so rude. It's so wrong. We don't treat our icons like that.
- [06:19]
Ronnie Karam
But in what world? Why would you even have an article? Like, honestly, why would you even do that? Who in the editorial room was like, shep, you know, let's pick the hottest guys on Bravo. Shep and Carl. In what fucking world? According to who? Like, who's the poll for this?
- [06:36]
Ben Mandelker
I mean, there's a. It's up on People. I feel so bad because People magazine reached out, was like, do you guys want to cover this trash? Jesse Solomon there?
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Ronnie Karam
We just.
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Ben Mandelker
We just did. Jesse. Jesse Solomon and Tom Schwartz are also in this group.
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Ronnie Karam
No.
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Ben Mandelker
You know, so I just watched that.
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Ronnie Karam
What we have on Bravo, I guess, thinking about it, I'm trying to think of how to, like, you know, Jesse's cute.
- [07:01]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, I mean, Jesse's cute. I mean, I wouldn't, like. I don't know.
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Ronnie Karam
I mean, Fraser.
- [07:05]
Ben Mandelker
Fraser's. Fraser's hot. But I just feel like the Shep of it all, the Shep and the Carl of it all, I just feel like we could do better.
- [07:10]
Ronnie Karam
I think piles and people. It's not like we're saying their photos or anything. It's just like, if you're gonna have a hottest of people, like, how do you go from Hugh Jackman one year to, like, Shep the next? You can't do that. You know, let's have Some pride.
- [07:22]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, I just, I, I just. When you, when you scroll through the actual pictures in their, in their slideshow and you, you see there's like this video of Carl and he's like, wet and hair is matted down and his shirt is just like flopped up on his skin. And I'm just like, don't put this man on the same spread as Tyson Beckford. I'm sorry. It just does not work that way. There are better options. I'm sorry.
- [07:42]
Ronnie Karam
Don't put soft right next to hard, you know?
- [07:44]
Ben Mandelker
Thank you. Thank you. That's what it all comes down to.
- [07:48]
Ronnie Karam
Well, here we are with an episode of the Valley. This is called Behind Closed Pantry Doors, Season 2, Episode 6. And Janet is back to Janet form fan. It is back being a fucking idiot. I can't believe I had one episode where I was like, is Janet just these. Is she going to be like, okay, this season now Janet sucks. So it was nice because, you know, I don't like feeling insecure in my dislike. Whenever I dislike somebody and then I'm like, wait a minute, maybe, maybe that person changed. I wouldn't say maybe I was wrong because I don't think I was wrong. But like, maybe, maybe I need to think about this a little further. You know, I don't like that. I like being very secure in my dislike. And so it's back. So I feel great.
- [08:29]
Ben Mandelker
Did you see that there was like a minor post production controversy with this episode?
- [08:38]
Ronnie Karam
Yes.
- [08:39]
Ben Mandelker
Well, basically there was a preview of this episode and Janet was saying how, like, she went to Al Anon with her ex regarding her ex, because she was talking in her confessional about how, you know, like the situation reminded me of her ex who had a drinking problem and substance problem. And how Janet said that she went to Al Anon and I don't know, did she say that Nia went to.
- [09:03]
Ronnie Karam
She said she heard that Nia was going to Alan.
- [09:05]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, right. She heard. That's what she said she heard. That was in the preview. That was on the Internet. But in the actual episode that aired in the US but apparently not. Not on. Hi. Hey, you. They edited that part out and Janet just talked about how it reminded her of her act. So they edited out the Al Anon thing.
- [09:23]
Ronnie Karam
So people edited it out, but Andy still asked about it on Watch what Happens Live. And then they had to edit the Watch what Happens Live. So people got. People who were watching it live saw that. But then people who saw the edited version later, they had edited it out to protect, I guess, Janet or Protect themselves from lawsuits or whatever. Because, you know, I mean, Al Anon is supposed to be Anon. Anon's in the name.
- [09:48]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. And so, yeah, Janet saying, well, I'm glad we're perpetuating the Non Anon part of it by being like, I heard that Janet said that Nia went to.
- [09:57]
Ronnie Karam
Al Anon, you know. Yeah. But it was out there, so it's not like we heard it somewhere. It was. It was on the television, so it was just. No trying to control the narrative. Too late, as usual, you know, so missing it. Totally missing the mark. Not only in the show, but also I'll watch what happens live. So. Good job, guys. Someone's getting fired over there. But, I mean, just keep it in. Don't protect her. I mean, if she's. If she's saying that stuff on national TV and you already aired it in the previews, just, well, whatever.
- [10:26]
Ben Mandelker
It's out of the bag.
- [10:29]
Ronnie Karam
Yeah. So there you go. So she's going to Al Anon. Ooh. The thing that's annoying to me is that people on this show are so fucking ridiculous about alcohol consumption when you guys have been kissing Jax's ass for decades now. Like, how long it didn't. It took until this. And Brittany, the one who's drinking herself into ulcers and still drinking and leaving piles of vomit in the driveway, is going to come in and make an alcoholic storyline about someone else. Like, girl. And then when you came for Jax about his coke and alcohol, you admitted that you also do coke. So I just. And listen, you know, I'm not against coke and alcohol. I say take the medicine you need, but don't be coming after everybody else and trying to make everybody else into an alcoholism storyline. And Janet with her. Oh, everybody else has shared. What do you share, Janet? You got pregnant.
- [11:19]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, I. I think that Nia and I. First of all, I think that Danny, I don't. I don't know whether or not he is an alcoholic. I think that, like, maybe he does need to start, like, thinking about how he is consuming his booze, though. Like, he might need to start, like, you know, he's. He's had a few, like, you know, like, coming in and being like, gotta catch up, gotta catch up. It's like, well, you're not like 25 anymore. Like, no one, like, does that. Right. When you're older. Right. You don't have to do that. Just drink. Right? So, like, I do think that, like, maybe, you know, his, like, his. How he approach his relationship with alcohol may need to Be revised. Doesn't mean he's an alcoholic. But it might be time to say, hey, like, you need to, like, think about how you're drinking. You know, I also think. Think that Nia and Danny do have a right to handle like a situ. Something like that, how they want to handle it. And I don't think that. I think sort of like the reality TV viewer in me says, I put everything out there. You know, you're on a reality show, you should expect to have everything out there. The realist in me says you're. When you're in a relationship, like, you're allowed to want to handle certain things in closed doors. And you're not. You don't owe it to put it out with this group of, of like, leeches. Not leeches, just venomous people. Just because Brittany did it, like, you don't have to do it because, like, just because Brittany, you have like an open sore of a relationship with Jack doesn't mean everyone else has to have it. So that's where I stand on those people. I actually feel like with Jasmine, I'm. I'm more compassionate. And here is why. Because she obviously had a bad incident with Danny. And I was thinking about. I was trying to think about why does. Why am I compassionate with Jasmine? And I think the reason why is Danny gets. Starts. Comes to this vineyard, he starts pounding these drinks, he's getting wasted. And, you know, I was thinking in her mind, she's saying, oh, shit, now I have to be on guard again. And that sucks because we've experienced. People have experienced that to much lesser degrees. You know when you've got that sloppy friend and you're having a fun time at the party, and then you see that your friend is getting really sloppy, and then you sort of just know, shit, I'm gonna have to take care of my friend tonight. And then you just can't really have fun anymore. You know, you're like, I can't.
- [13:26]
Ronnie Karam
That's enough about me.
- [13:30]
Ben Mandelker
I have to say, to your credit, you've never been that way. To your credit, I've never found you to be that sloppy friend like you. You back in the day, you would. You would put down those drinks, but you were not sloppy. But I've had sloppy friends, and you just know it. And like, so, like, even in just that small degree, you know that feeling when you say to yourself, I want to keep partying, I want to keep having fun. But in the back of my mind, I. Now I'm thinking about my friend.
- [13:53]
Ronnie Karam
Yes.
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Ben Mandelker
And I think that her, in her mind, she's probably thinking, I want to have fun on this group trip. But now Danny's getting wasted and I don't know if I'm going to have to be in a situation where I'm going to have to like, tell him to stop or I'm going to have to be the bad guy again. And so I fully actually agree.
- [14:11]
Ronnie Karam
I absolutely hear what you're saying on that. But here's why I don't feel compassion in this argument for her, okay? Because he was asleep, he went to bed. So he drank and he went to bed. And she's still starting shit and going on and on with Brittany.
- [14:23]
Ben Mandelker
Well, at that point.
- [14:24]
Ronnie Karam
And it's like she's. The guy's in bed and you actually want him to get up to do whatever behavior when like the guy's already in bed. So as far as Danny and his behavior with Jasmine and the grabbing Jasmine and all of that stuff, that's bullshit. I'm never going to stand up for Danny for that. And I don't blame her if she wants to bring that up every day for the rest of this series, I don't care. I will not be like, don't bring that out. She has every right to. But as far as the drinking and this whole thing, I mean, I think even they knew, as we see in the episode, they knew that they went too far with that. And what was so funny about it was that they have to have this whole party and apologize to Nia because they were going so hard at Nia accusing her husband because they were too drunk. And that's where I'm like, fuck you guys. Like, you're so wasted that you act like idiots on tv. And then you have to have a party where you apologize to somebody cause you were too wasted while you're still trying to accuse her husband of being an alcohol.
- [15:14]
Ben Mandelker
That's a very funny.
- [15:15]
Ronnie Karam
Like, come on.
- [15:16]
Ben Mandelker
That's a very funny, funny.
- [15:17]
Ronnie Karam
Hypocrites.
- [15:18]
Ben Mandelker
Let me revise mine to say I, I'm compassionate as to why Jasmine was sort of sent into a tizzy. And I don't know if the actual form of the tizzy I necessarily agree with, but I understand the form of.
- [15:33]
Ronnie Karam
The tizzy, but I, I understand why.
- [15:36]
Ben Mandelker
She was put into a state where she was getting agitated and then she just sort of like blows up. And then everything after that about like, you know, he has to be open. Why are you trying to cover up? Yada, yada, yada. Like, I mean, I'm not gonna by the way. I'm also. I have to be realistic. I'm not gonna act like if I were sitting there and he is just like, oh, he's just tired. He's just tired. I, I, I myself might be like, yeah, but he's drunk too. Why are you acting like he's not drunk too? I just don't know if I would be screaming and yelling at Nia about it. I probably be, like, laughing off the side. Like, why is she trying to say that he's just tired? He's wasted off his ass, you know?
- [16:12]
Ronnie Karam
I don't know. He's just a bunch of drunk hypocrites to me, you know, there's nothing that's worse than.
- [16:19]
Ben Mandelker
And that is, I believe, the mission statement for Bravo.
- [16:25]
Ronnie Karam
A bunch of.
- [16:26]
Ben Mandelker
Don't. Hypocrites.
- [16:27]
Ronnie Karam
You're on a show built on getting wasted and acting stupid. It's like everybody. It's like if everybody on Summer House was like, oh, my God, Kyle was wasted last night and ate muffins. I think we need to talk to Kyle about his alcohol. Like, okay, does Kyle have an alcohol problem? Probably. I mean, duh. But is this the forum to be discussed? Like, are you the people that need to be coming at him? Like, you can't. You can't be confronting everyone else when you're actually also an alcoholic.
- [16:55]
Ben Mandelker
I also do feel like there was a piece of information that came out this episode, which I think changes things a little bit for me, which is that last episode, it was presented that Dany, like, snuck into this cupboard, and Janet happened to be there, and he was, like, hiding, like, these shots of tequila.
- [17:10]
Ronnie Karam
And.
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Ben Mandelker
And then this episode, we find out he's like, yeah, I went into the. He's like, I told you I had the tequila. So it wasn't like, a hit. It wasn't a hidden thing.
- [17:17]
Ronnie Karam
Right? He told me.
- [17:17]
Ben Mandelker
He's like, I went in there because that's what. The tequila. You didn't bring the tequila. I mean, I can understand how the.
- [17:23]
Ronnie Karam
Tequila was behind the door. So he was trying to get to the tequila, and Janet's like, I'm uncomfortable. Which we all know is code for serious things. Like if a man puts you in a position where he's making you feel really uncomfortable and this and that, That's a real thing. But Janet is taking those. Janet's taking that terminology and trying to make it sound like she herself was assaulted in a way, because she was in a closet where Dani hid and took tequila in front of her, which made her unconscious. Fuck off. Janet Janet is the worst. And she went on to watch what happens last night. And just the audience. I was so proud of the Bravo audience for just ripping that woman to shreds. It was like watching a scared Cabbage patch doll get ripped limb from limb. The dark eyed Cabbage patch doll getting ripped limb from limb. And I loved it. The audience was like 90 against her on every question.
- [18:14]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, I mean, I. I mean, look, if she has ex. If she has had, like, firsthand experience with a boyfriend who was sneaking drinks in, like, the closet or whatever, like, I can understand how, like, that's where her mind goes, but I do. I can also like knowing that there may be a larger context to how he was actually consuming this tequila. It does change things a little bit for me.
- [18:41]
Ronnie Karam
Well, you've got Jesse, who's so wasted that he's yelling that his wife is a whore on national television and being verbally abusive. Who says anything to Jesse about his drinking? Nobody.
- [18:52]
Ben Mandelker
No, you've got.
- [18:53]
Ronnie Karam
You've got Britney barfing in driveways, having all this behavior when she's got a young song at son at home. Do we see anybody talking to Brittany about her alcohol intake? Jax sure don't.
- [19:03]
Ben Mandelker
Jax. Jax.
- [19:04]
Ronnie Karam
Yeah, the biggest hypocrite on the show sure don't. But everybody's like, britney's the mother of the year, y' all, so whatever. I can't take this cast seriously. And then Jason on Watch what Happens live was also. He was also there and they said something. And I've watched this all in clips because I ain't sitting through half an hour of those two. But someone said something like, you know, people online hate Janet. I'm assuming the question was along those lines. And Jason was like, oh, please. There's just like, there's millions of people who listen to this show who love Janet, and there's like, maybe 40 people on Reddit who don't like her. Yeah. And 38 of those people on Reddit talking about your show are Janet, Jason. So please, Janet with different names. So anybody on Reddit knows it too. So whatever you two. All right, well, this has been a fun 20 minutes. Let's actually recap the show.
- [19:54]
Ben Mandelker
No, it really has been 20 minutes. Okay, so we pick up in the middle of school.
- [19:59]
Ronnie Karam
It's good to have a show that fills me with some. Some nice early morning rage, and so I'm thankful for that. You know, I don't feel as dead inside when I'm angry, so the show.
- [20:08]
Ben Mandelker
Doesn'T actually really fill me with that much rage. I have to say it's weird. I sort of just watch and I'm fascinated by it. I don't actually get put to a. I'm not, I'm not sent to a place of rage by it. So, you know, I mean, I think we, we, we as humans are gonna respond to different, different things are gonna make me enraged. Like, I'll be more enraged by watching like, Love Hotel and finding out that, like, the majority of people sitting at the dinner table did not put napkins in their lap. I'm like, I am furious at this show.
- [20:34]
Ronnie Karam
You'll get mad watching someone on this show order something with berries on it.
- [20:38]
Ben Mandelker
You'll be like, I will. Absolutely. It's always some etiquette infraction that I'll be like, now I'm mad. But then it's like, oh, accusations of calling someone an alcoholic. Well, you know, it's tv.
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Ronnie Karam
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- [22:43]
Ronnie Karam
All right, so let's get to it. So we pick up where we left off with.
- [22:50]
Ben Mandelker
The fight. They're fighting. They're all drunk fighting.
- [22:52]
Ronnie Karam
Oh, they're. They're in the bedroom. Britney's have. Britney's having a drunken fit. And Janet. Janet, Janice. What is the girl's name? Jasmine is having a drunken fit about Nia not sharing things. And they're, like, yelling and getting themselves worked up over this. And Zach's just going to. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. By the way, he just started most.
- [23:14]
Ben Mandelker
Of this, but, yeah, he 100% started all of this. So Nia is like, well, what would you want me to do? It's like, okay, think about. Hey, Brittany, think about the times that you have protected Jax when you shouldn't have. Remember when you did that? Okay, so she's allowed to protect her toxic man, too. And Jasmine's like, it's not that, Zach. He's like, okay, hold on, hold on. Stop, Stop. Benji says stop, stick.
- [23:40]
Ronnie Karam
Benji says, stop, you guys. And he's like, I'm not protecting anybody, though. That's the thing. Like, who am I protecting? And they're like, oh, God. Well, Britney. Britney's life has been on display. Britney has given it all for reality television. Look at her right now. Look at what she's done to her eyebrows. That's for television. You think she wants her eyebrows going from the middle of her face to the top of her head? No, she's done it all for you, audience, all for you.
- [24:12]
Ben Mandelker
And it's always on the max at the max every time. And the one time, the one time that she's questioned anything that's been going on with you, you lose your mind. Brittany's like, yeah, thank you. Thank you for advocating. Thank you for advocating for me of this.
- [24:33]
Ronnie Karam
And Jasmine's like, oh, it gets shut down. Who shut it down? You two have been going off for two hours. And so basically, Britney's still screaming, I show my entire life, my entire cluster of love, which you've also contributed greatly to, I'd just like to add. And Nia's like, what is wrong with these people? You know? Now she's getting hurt feelings. She's like, why are my friends speaking about me? And so Jason's like, well, you know, while he's by the way, drinking two drinks. He's got two drinks in his hand for himself. He's like, yeah, you know, because tonight when you were asked about Daniel, you're like, he was sleeping. He's taking a nap, and everything's fine. He's tired. Instead of talking about him being an alcoholic, maybe not do this with two drinks in your hand, Jason.
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Ben Mandelker
And she's like, well, no, he. He is exhausted. And, yes, he was drunk. I mean, part of me wonders, by the way, if the reason why they're hammering Nia so much about this fake thing, maybe this is pent up because, you know, last season, there were many times when things started to get a little, like, tense where she would be like, oh, I got a phone call. My sprinklers aren't working. I'm gonna have to go. So maybe this has more to do with, like, a larger pattern with Nia where she sort of, like, is able. Like, when things happen, she kind of just, like, scoots on out of there, you know?
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Ronnie Karam
Well, it's also, you know, Nia's also still married because of that and has a happy relationship and is still making children, and the other ones are all bitter and divorced and having terrible divorces and, like, going misery. So maybe you should actually watch and learn, people. I mean, Jesus Christ, why are you ruining your life like we've done?
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Ben Mandelker
I know. Well, on the flip side, she is now, as a result of her still being married, she is now being forced to move to Santa Clarita. So, you know, it's really, you know, so many twists of fate here.
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Ronnie Karam
Listen, normally I would be with you, but seeing the apartment over and over again that they live in on this show, I'm like, go to Santa Clarita. You know what? Anywhere.
- [26:27]
Ben Mandelker
Get out. Get out. Please. Move. Move anywhere.
- [26:34]
Ronnie Karam
Wasn't there a Drew Barrymore show that took place there at the Santa Clarita Diet?
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, it was about zombies in Santa Clarita.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. I found out that wasn't about a diet, and I wouldn't watch it. I was, like, really looking forward to seeing Drew Barrymore in a show about a diet, because, you know, I love diets. I've done all of them. I'm like, finally, a show about diets.
- [26:50]
Ben Mandelker
And, no, Santa Clarita is where a child famously. I feel like, permanently messed up my finger by fist punching me too hard. And I will always associate that with Santa Clarita. Also, I have someone who I find very annoying in my life who lives up there, too. So I just have bad associations with Santa Clarita.
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Ronnie Karam
I have a bad association with Santa Clarita too. Well, beyond the Drew Barrymore show not being a bad diet, another thing was I was missing a pair of AirPods once, and I turned on my find my. And they were in Santa Clarita. And I was like, who the fuck do I know in Santa Clarita? Like, how did my AirPods get to Santa Clarita? It still bothers me to this day.
- [27:32]
Ben Mandelker
There, cut to a headline. The zombie apocalypse has broken out in Santa Clarita. Zombie Zero was found with some AirPods that said Rondell Karam on them.
- [27:47]
Ronnie Karam
Bueller for life is inscribed on the AirPods. So NIA's like, but, okay, well, I was saying he was tired, but can two things be true? He was drunk and he was tired. I mean, I'm not saying he wasn't drunk. And she asked Brittany. She's like, so you don't have moments where you've excused Jax or said whatever? And Brittany's like, well, of course I am. And so Jasmine's still doing on, you know, going on with the. It's not just the action. I'm very disappointed that I was disrespected. And, you know, those feelings don't go away. And she has to acknowledge what's going on here. Okay, then bring it up, Jasmine. Bring it up at the table and say, your husband was grabbing my ass and my girlfriend's ass and making me call him Daddy, and I don't feel right about that. And he was wasted, and I don't feel like that's been addressed. Then if she says, whatever, he was tired. Okay, then that's something you can go on about.
- [28:40]
Ben Mandelker
But, yeah, I just can't believe all these emotionally evolved people were. Were unable to handle this situation properly. I mean, it's just shocking. So. So then, of course, Daniel wakes up. Well, now they're all calling him Daniel because it's a. It's a formal, serious situation. And, like, Daniel's awake. So he comes in. He's like, far on the farcing in Santa Clarita. Zombie paradise.
- [29:07]
Ronnie Karam
Sorry, guys. I just go over my lines while I'm sleeping. What's going on in here, y' all? And Zach just goes, no, no, Daniel, no Daniel. No Daniel, no Daniel. Daniel, we're not ready for you right now, Daniel.
- [29:26]
Ben Mandelker
So Jasmine's like, well, you know what? Brittany's just saying it's not fair that she puts her life up at every little dot to the. Every little tiptoe for another. I don't even know what she's saying here. She's like, every other box of Tick Tocks. Tic Tacs. Tic Tacs that she has on Tick Tock. Every single ticky, tacky talk is up on her life, okay? And you guys, don't do it.
- [29:46]
Ronnie Karam
Well, just don't hide things that's going on is all I'm asking. Don't hide things that's going on. That's all I want to know. So Danny's like, who's hiding anything? Come on.
- [29:57]
Ben Mandelker
What.
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Ronnie Karam
What are you all talking about here? And. And me is like, daniel will have a conversation. I'll explain everything. Just not in here. Let's please do it somewhere away from these crazy people so we can hide it.
- [30:08]
Ben Mandelker
He's like, wait, is she pointing me.
- [30:11]
Ronnie Karam
Am I in trouble here?
- [30:13]
Ben Mandelker
And she's like, yes, it's you and me.
- [30:14]
Ronnie Karam
Come on.
- [30:15]
Ben Mandelker
We have a whole conference. Goes to go to the kitchen place.
- [30:19]
Ronnie Karam
Still going off in nonsensical sentences. She's like, her life has been on the line. She. Her life has been on the line with a platter. Is she.
- [30:31]
Ben Mandelker
Was she a caterer at one point? She's working the line. Let's get those past apps up on the platter.
- [30:41]
Ronnie Karam
She's been a secretary and a waiter. She's like someone who's been on the line for a while. Get that fucking platter out, please.
- [30:48]
Ben Mandelker
No, I'm just gonna. Okay, everyone, I'm just gonna take a second and grab some water, But I love you. I hear you and I understand you.
- [30:55]
Ronnie Karam
Her life has been on a platter. She's being slaughtered. And everyone else is tiptoeing around their lives. Brittany's like, Britney just looks, like, confused and eyebrowed out. And so Nia takes Danny away, and she's like, you know, so Danny's drinking an energy drink, and she's like, you don't need to have an energy drink. We have to go to bed. We have kids to wake up for in the morning. And he's like, it's not an energy drink. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? It's straight up cocaine, tequila. I'm drinking.
- [31:26]
Ben Mandelker
Hold on. Call the zombie juice around the set. So Danny is like. They go into their room and he's like, what's happening? And she's. Now she starts to, like, cry, and she's like, do you know what I just experienced right away? This. I have no idea what's going on. I just need a second to breathe because, like, I feel like there's Like, a lot of adrenaline in my body. Tell me about it. You ever have the zombie juice before? Whoa, I'm seeing babies on the ceiling.
- [31:56]
Ronnie Karam
So he's like, get it out, sweetie. Get it out. Just get it out. So she's like, okay, well, they're accusing me of keeping secrets. And, you know. You know. So you. I said that you just fell asleep, but they're mad that I didn't say, you're drunk. And, you know, but you are tired, and you did wake up and you did have a full day, you know, and you had too much to drink. And, you know, no one asked me, did you have too much to drink? Because I would have said, yeah, you had too much to drink. She's just upset. So he's listening to this. Like, what the fuck kind of fight is this? You know? And he's like, okay, but why do you keep saying I've had too much to drink? I had the same amount to drink as everyone else on this show. Like, I don't get it.
- [32:38]
Ben Mandelker
Plus, you know, a few more shrigs of tequila and a few more glasses of wine is pretty much the same amount. And she was like, no, yeah, no, you were feeling good. That's it. He's like, yeah, show. Is everybody like, yeah, but, like, okay, I'm gonna say this. I understand that he's tired and exhausted and he's allowed to drink and then pass out. We've. We've all done it. We've all had friends who've done it, family members. It happens. It's okay. But also, like, if you've. No, if, you know, you woke up at, like, five in the morning and you know you're tired, like, why, like, what? And, you know, you're at, like, a party. Why are you pounding them down to the point where, you know you're gonna have. You're gonna pass out. Like. And this is purely. This is not a. You're an alcoholic. This is a. Why can't you be a better, like, functioning member of the social group? Because there's dinner. Why, like, why are you drinking? Like, you know, you're exhausted. Like, then, like, I think we all know, like, oh, my God, maybe I'm coming from a place of privilege because of the. Because of how I. Because how I'm able to have a relationship with alcohol. But in my mind, I'm like, If I feel myself, like, whoa, this is hitting me really quickly. I sort of, like, naturally, I don't have to be like, I've got to have as much as everyone else. I Think, whoa, I. This. I am. I am at a place now where I am good. If I drink too much more, I'm gonna pass out and miss dinner. You know what I'm saying?
- [33:50]
Ronnie Karam
I do, but I don't. I mean, I just don't care how much he drinks. Like, I really don't care. Unless he, like, gets drunk and does something to somebody. I mean, and I get drunk and miss dinner. Like, I don't care. So, like, to me, I just don't understand the fight when everybody's a drunk, you know, but, you know, teach their own. So we go, we go back to. This is the best part. Kristen, Luke and Jesse are still just sitting outside, not going again, like, where's everybody? Why don't they come back out? And Luke's just eating all the ice cream because nobody's there to eat it. So he's eating everybody's portion of ice cream. And so then we go back to the fight and. And Janet's like, okay, guys, before dinner, I got home and I walked into the pantry to make an easy mat cup, which. Why is nobody giving her shit? That's disgusting, Janet. Okay, you've got a caterer here and you're sneaking into the closet to make an easy mat cup. Now who's got the problem? Okay?
- [34:44]
Ben Mandelker
And she goes. And Danny came in and shut the door behind. Okay. And we see the flashback of him be like, oh, well, you guys got a big head start for me. So we hear him, like, drinking and he was in the pantry, you know, he and I were in the pantry together and he was like looking around, make sure no one could see, and he'd take a full on swig of the Casimiro's bottle. And I was like, oh. And then he passed out shortly after.
- [35:05]
Ronnie Karam
Well, call the fucking police, Janet. I can't believe that happened to you. Are you more mad about the tequila or are you mad that George Clooney doesn't own the tequila anymore and it's not enough of a celebrity fucking tequila for you to swallow?
- [35:18]
Ben Mandelker
He doesn't own it anymore.
- [35:20]
Ronnie Karam
No, I think they sold it a long time ago for like $19 trillion.
- [35:24]
Ben Mandelker
Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow. A variety of wows that took me to a pad in the place. So.
- [35:34]
Ronnie Karam
And Jasmine's like, well, we know he has a drinking problem. We get it. But like, just talk to us about it. I mean, just talk to us about it. If you can't talk to us about being alcoholics while we're drunk, who can you talk to? I mean, what's going on here. Why can't they just talk about it? That you're drunk. Sit down. So Janet's like, I just feel so bad for her because, you know, defending your husband when they're doing shitty stuff or when your husband's wasted, I mean, that's not fun. That's just not fun.
- [35:58]
Ben Mandelker
It isn't fun, though. It isn't fun like that.
- [36:01]
Ronnie Karam
I do think it's not. And she never said anything. She never said much to Brit about it either. And that was way worse.
- [36:08]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, well, way worse. I agree. So Janet is like. It's just like, I've been somebody in the past that has struggled with addiction issues, and I feel like I can relate to Nia in that sense. But the thing is, no one cares that Danny drank too much and slept through dinner. Except for apparently one podcaster who felt like Danny should have been at dinner also because it was catered, but whatever.
- [36:26]
Ronnie Karam
And me, who's making a storyline saying over and over that he's a fucking alcoholic, which I'm doing right now. In this sentence, it's the denial and.
- [36:34]
Ben Mandelker
The hiding that feels inauthentic and fake. And let. Let, like, just say what it is, because when you hide it, it kind of begs more questions.
- [36:41]
Ronnie Karam
Janet, how was he hiding it? He did it right in front of you. He did it. He walked right in front of you and did it. He was not hiding it. Then when you asked him about it, he said, I was drunk. What's. Where's the hiding me? Crazy.
- [36:57]
Ben Mandelker
So Nia's like, brittany knows I support her, and I'm not sitting here having fun talking about Jackson, like, all that he's doing. And Danny's like, well, we could all do that every day. Every single day. Let me finish my sentence. Not trying to do that, Daniel. Let me finish the sentence. It's like, okay, I'm not your enemy. Yes, you are. No, you're not. Let me finish my sentence, okay? I'm not sitting here trying to talk bad about Jax. I'm sitting here trying to support my friend. And if I, for some reason, have a problem with her, I'm like, hey, Brittany, this is how I'm feeling. You know, I don't just wait till she walks away from the table.
- [37:31]
Ronnie Karam
So she's saying, you know, I, Danny, Daniel, and I are more reserved, and we're a team, and we watch out for each other and protect each other, and we don't air our dirty laundry, and we have those conversations behind closed doors because that's what you're supposed to do. When you're married. And so he comforts her. And then meanwhile, Janet is still like. I mean, I also feel like we need to all be like, hey, if you're going through some stuff with alcoholic drug addict Daniel because of his alcohol and drug drinking, druggie drinking, drug drinking behavior, we're also here for you because it's hard being with a drug addict alcoholic. Am I right, girls? Am I right?
- [38:13]
Ben Mandelker
So they're like, yeah. So now night turns today. It's the morning and we see as usual, because it's a party. It's a night of partying on Bravo. There's just out everywhere. Because I. I firmly believe the producers tell everyone not to clean up. So that way they can always get these shots of flies crawling all over pizza and over, like, you know, empty things, cups. Etc. So Kristen's like, luke, Luke. Seriously, Luke. I'm dehydrated. So he brings her coffee and she's like, oh. And then, you know, then everyone's just like waking up and. And talking. And Michelle's. Michelle is back. We haven't seen Michelle all episode. And she's like, well, how are you feeling after last night, Britney? I don't know exactly what happened, but I heard lots of things happening. Where did she go? Why does she miss this all?
- [39:05]
Ronnie Karam
She got mad and went to bed, I guess.
- [39:07]
Ben Mandelker
I guess so.
- [39:08]
Ronnie Karam
Then basically they pack up and leave. So that's that. So they go. And Zach's like, this trip is a real train wreck. It looks like that healing ceremony might have to happen again. Did you guys get that? Do you need another take? It's gonna be gone. It's gonna be my first guest. Yeah.
- [39:26]
Ben Mandelker
So now we go over to Runyon Canyon, where the famous Runyon Canyon where all of Michelle's illicit affairs happen. So. But this time she's meeting up with none other. She's not meeting up with a honey magnate. She's meeting up with the one and only Sheena. Sheena. Sheena Marie, who is making her debut, or at least this season's debut on the Valley. I think she actually was on last season, too.
- [39:50]
Ronnie Karam
Oh, my God. Michelle, you want to hike Running Canyon? It's going to be really fun. It's been a really hard week for me because I of the, you know, the masked singer. Because, like, I wanted to go farther, but I told him I didn't want to go farther. So I didn't go farther, but I could have gone farther. But I told him I didn't want to. So they kicked me off. But it was totally by My choice. But then I really wanted to after. So it's really been a rough time after the Mass singer because that was going to be, like, my big break. But, like, people are still huge fans of me. So Corner.
- [40:14]
Ben Mandelker
Over the last couple of years, Sheena and I have become really close. For the longest time, I thought she was one of those little robots from Postmates that brings you a burrito. And then I realized, wait a second. And she's actually a human being. And then we began to talk and have a fun time together.
- [40:32]
Ronnie Karam
Gina has gone through a divorce, so she understands how difficult it could be at Dimes. She is a really good person. So they're talking about Aaron, and Aaron's like, listen, I want out of this relationship if your ex is going to be crazy for the rest of my life, like, I don't know if I can take this. I don't know if I need this toxicity forever. I'm trying to sell cocaine themed honey.
- [40:55]
Ben Mandelker
Okay, yeah, everything was perfect. But then after this trip, Aaron was scared. He doesn't want a crazy ex in my life. And he said, look, I understand I'm the guy with the crazy eyes, and if even I am weirded out by someone, that's a problem. So, yeah, back to square one.
- [41:16]
Ronnie Karam
Wow. I am so sorry. That's almost as bad. If you were on the Masked Singer and you thought you were gonna go really far, but you said you didn't want to go really far, and then they kicked the Masked Singer and you're like, but wait, I changed my mind. Yes. It has been so much negativity, you know, Like, Jesse has major, major issues. That is why I loved him for Rob Reiner. And so Michelle's pissed that this could be the end. And so she's like, the thought of breaking up with Aaron other than Isabella is like, that is what's getting me through this rough dime, you know? So she doesn't want to lose the Honeyman over all of this toxicity. And that doesn't mean she's going to be less toxic, but does this. Hopefully it'll work out.
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Ben Mandelker
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Ronnie Karam
Here comes one right now.
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Ronnie Karam
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Ben Mandelker
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Ronnie Karam
It's kind of like when you give yourself your own nickname and you try to, like, get other people to do it.
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Ben Mandelker
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Ronnie Karam
But I don't. I. I mean, for me, I wouldn't think it's unrealistic to be like, okay, you're broken up. You need to stop having toxic fights with your ex.
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Ben Mandelker
It's not unrealistic.
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Ronnie Karam
Deal with that.
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Ben Mandelker
You know, it's not unrealistic. But I still think that, like, if she's. I still think that, like, what she needs is someone who's just gonna, like, be supporting her. Because I think Jesse is a nightmare. And I think that, that she, she's like, what I don't like is her being like, I need to, I need to work hard. I need to save this. She's putting it all on her shoulders and it's like, what? Also, like, he could also be supportive of you too.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. I mean, I kind of see it as Michelle, you know, Jesse's a piece of. And I'm glad she left Jesse and We see more Jesse scenes that just every time we see a Jesse scene, it cements what a piece of shit that guy is. So I'm glad she left him for her kid and stuff like that. But then you see, like, her still going on group trips and. And then starting stuff about, I don't like who you're dating when she's been dating someone since, you know, there's some hypocritical stuff going on with her, too. Like, she wants to tell him who he can date and who he can't date. And you can't do that. Like, you can't sit there and have toxic fights about whoever his girlfriend is when you've had a boyfriend, too, the same amount of time that you're subjecting the kid to. So I think part of it is just, like, keep me away from this toxic fighting constantly. Like, I want to have a decent, decent, positive life. Like, let him do what he's gonna do, and we'll do what we're gonna do.
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Ben Mandelker
I mean, hey, I wouldn't want to date. I wouldn't want to date someone in that sort of situation by any means. But I just think that, like, I'm. I get, like, when. When the moment she's starting. Starting to talk about, like, ooh, like, I need to, like, start to change things for this guy. I'm like, oh, just don't fall into that same pattern that you got into with Jesse, you know?
- [45:59]
Ronnie Karam
So Sheena's like, yeah, positive thing to change. It's like. It's like changing toxic fighting. So at least it's a good thing to change. It's not like he's like, I wish you would get a different haircut. He's just asking for less toxic fighting. But I don't know, why am I sticking up for the honey man? Like, the guy's fucking selling his honey at the entrance of Runyon Canyon. I don't know that that's a relationship I should be rooting for, no offense. Honey sellers at the bottom of Runyon Canyon.
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Ben Mandelker
You know who she needs? She needs a real man like Rob Reiner. So now we go to Jesse's house, where his life coach, Scott, shows up. And Scott, when I see this guy, I just think, wow, all the marriages. This guy has really done a great job saving. I'm sure this is a man who really understands things.
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Ronnie Karam
I see him and I'm like, oh, my God, men's rights are being taken away. I'm glad there's someone here to fight for it.
- [46:51]
Ben Mandelker
Right? It's good to see that some of Joe Rogan's fans have made it onto Bravo.
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Ronnie Karam
I can guarantee you this guy has a truck with a black and white flag on it.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, absolutely. So he. Jesse's like, scott, the marriage coach that Michelle and I worked with last summer. Yeah.
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Ronnie Karam
Well, isn't that enough to get you fired? I mean, seriously, like, how are you having him back? I think he failed.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Not a great record here. He's like, well, I've leaned on him quite a bit and continue to work with him still to today, I'm like, yeah, the scoreboard's not looking great for this guy. Based on the marriage failure and your personal failures that we're seeing documented on television.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. So he's like, I'm just. I'm so mad at myself since Santa Barbara. I just. I want to know, why am I being triggered so easily? You're not the one being triggered. You're the one calling your wife a whore.
- [47:43]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, sir, he is. He. He. He throws the stone and then is shocked when someone actually retaliates.
- [47:50]
Ronnie Karam
What?
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Ben Mandelker
That's crazy. So cast the stone and hides his hands. Is that the phrase? So he's saying, what I realized on this trip is that. That when I was going through the grief of divorce, which I never actually went through, but I like to tell people I did it, I never went through the grief of, like, did I win or did I fail? I was thinking about that on the trip. You know, it's just another thing that I bury down. It's like, Michelle admitted that she cheated on me, by the way. And we see the clip of Michelle being like, I kissed a guy and I liked it. And that's basically it. It's like she was cheating on me. Having orgies for two years. Yeah. She admitted all that.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. And then this is, I think, a very bad trait for a therapist, first of all, to take sides, but also to just believe everything at face value that he's telling you. He's like, oh, she cheated for two years. Really? So? And he's like, yeah. And she said, well, there's no way that I wasn't cheating for two years because, you know, I was out all the time. And Scott's like, well, that's projection on her part, you know, and he's like, yeah, but, you know, then it turns me into the cheater. Like, she's projecting on me, you know? And then the main guy, the therapist guy, is like, yeah, but, you know, when you say you're a whore and this and that, that makes you bad you know, so the actual thing is that you're hurt because she was cheating for two years, but then she projects back onto you and then it you saying that made you the bad guy when really she was the bad guy for cheating for two years. Jude, you don't even know what's been going on in this marriage.
- [49:16]
Ben Mandelker
This guy's best, basically. Yeah. This guy's basically saying she manipulated the situation to make you look like the bad guy here. It's like totally absolving Jesse of any, like, responsibility for the words that actually come out of his mouth.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
And for pushing.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. So she manipulated you into making you look like a jerk. It's kind of a brilliant play on her part. You know, women. Squirrely, squirrely women. So here's what you got to do. You know, your life, you got to recognize your life. Life is a garden. And your attention is water. And you're planting seeds all the time with your actions. And your attention is water. Get out of my house. First of all, we're in a drought. You know what I mean? Yeah, like I can't even water the grass. Like, get out of my house. Stop talking about water in here. Sir, go back into your truck and your black and white flag and your men's rights.
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Ben Mandelker
And I can tell you one thing. I do not water the weeds that grow in my garden. And yet they still grow. And they grow more than the flowers. So this whole metaphor is in the first place.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. Jesse's the weed. He doesn't need water. So he's like, whatever you put your attention on will inevitably grow. That's not true or my penis would be 13ft long.
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Ben Mandelker
You gotta hold yourself more accountable than.
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Ronnie Karam
Anything I do and nothing.
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Ben Mandelker
So then Scott goes, you gotta hold yourself accountable. And by hold yourself accountable, just remember that Michelle manipulated into saying everything bad that you've ever said.
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Ronnie Karam
Exactly.
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Ben Mandelker
No more acting like a dick unless Michelle makes you act that way. Okay. And no more, more being, no more being self important unless Michelle does that to you. Okay? So here's a pillow. I want you to scream into it. And remember, the louder your scream, the more Michelle made you do it.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. Are we supposed to believe that Jesse, a male model from the 90s, hasn't screamed into a pillow before? Okay, I'll go with it. So he does it and he's like, I feel better. I feel better actually. God. Just, just hold it there and push down harder.
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Ben Mandelker
Right?
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Ronnie Karam
It's got. Help him. Help him. While you're there, keep that pillow right where it is and just push well.
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Ben Mandelker
Notably, Scott says, you know, when people scream into a pillow, they either cry or they laugh. And notably, Jesse did. Or come. Notably Jesse did none of the above, including the coming. Which just proves that he is a true sociopath, truly.
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Ronnie Karam
That's what I thought, too. When he did it, he's like, you're. You're probably going to cry right now, man. And then he screams, and then he. He's like, I feel great. You're a sociopath.
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Ben Mandelker
So now we go to Kristen and Luke moving into their new home in North Hollywood. I really liked their house that they moved into. It's a rental. And Kristin's like, luke and I are so excited to move into this beautiful house. We have a pool. We have three bedrooms. We have a dedicated room to listen to Stevie Nicks. We have our own master bedroom, too. And we have a guest room for Jill. God, that needy dog. I love her so much, but she pukes everywhere.
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Ronnie Karam
So they're planning on where they're gonna put the daybed. You know, stuff like that. And then Jasmine comes over, and they're sitting at the pool. So Jasmine comes out and she's like, oh, you know, like, I mean, I knew. Waking up, like, Danny and Nia, they're not gonna ride with me, like, because she's pissed off or something. But, like, maybe I should apologize to her because, you know, I did feel kind of bad. And Luke's like, yeah, I mean, everyone's drunk. So, like, I don't get it. Like, why does he have to say he's drunk? And Kristen's like, yeah, he was tired. I mean, come on.
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Ben Mandelker
I don't know. Maybe he was tired. That's fine. I just. I'm just like, he's a. He's a voice actor. Can he really be that tired? I'm sorry. You stand in a booth all day and you talk. How tired can you be? Like, you. You did. Like, you did Ursula. Like, you know, take your voice, like, because I'm confused. Like, what's going on here? Like, as someone who does talk for a few hours every day on this podcast, I'm tired.
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Ronnie Karam
What do you do? What do you do? Do we know what Jasmine does?
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Ben Mandelker
I have no idea what Jasmine does, to be honest. I think she just motors around and shoots scenes with people on reality shows.
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Ronnie Karam
Listen, here's my thing. Anything that requires you to get out of bed for a certain amount of time a day is tiring. That's it. I don't care if I just went to the home goods and got a lunch. I'M still tired. I need a nap. Who are you to tell me when I can be tired?
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Ben Mandelker
By the way, let's not discount the drive up to Santa Barbara. Even if he did nothing that day and just made that drive on the 101 from whatever cramped ass apartment he's in all the way up for expansion. It's a long time, you know, with traffic, it's exhausting. You got to go by Agora Hills. You got to go down that. That slope. Got to go back Camarillo. You look at that, in and out. It's a lot to take in, a lot to deal with.
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Ronnie Karam
So she's like, the problem. The problem here is that, like, why can't you just say, he's up? She did say he was up. Okay, so then she's saying, you know, I'm triggered because of Halloween. Okay, so that. Okay, so talk about that. And then she talks about how when you're in a gay relationship, it's much harder because people see two chicks at the bar, and they're like, oh, yeah, that's hot. It's like they look at it as. They're like, porn experience. And they're like, oh, yeah, go touch the lesbians. They want it. You know, Which I think she's. You know, I can see that. And she's like, you know, if it was Janet and you did this shit to Jason, oh, man, that would have been a fight. Like, who knows? Who knows? But, like, why can Danny get away with it? Right?
- [54:27]
Ben Mandelker
Because the reason it was. It was brought up again is because it's kind of like a. It's like a platform. Yeah. But seriously, we were talking about this last night, and I was thinking to myself, like, if it were exactly the same situation, Luke had to leave. Like, he had to go to work and had to drive back, and then he had to go to a winery and then decide to do some shots, and he was, like, super tired. If you guys were like, wait, where'd Luke go? I'd be like, he's tired. He went to bed. Case closed. Mariposa. Court is adjourned.
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Ronnie Karam
And Luke's like, since when does it matter if someone gets drunk in this group? Like, what? What's the big deal? And they're like, yeah, everybody was drinking. So Jasmine's like, okay, okay, well, look, look, look, look, look. I feel bad that Nia cried. You know, she was basically on a platter of a slaughter, you know, and so that was sad. And I didn't want her to cry because, like, you know, we're all better than that, you know, but it happened. So we'll talk. We'll talk maybe. So then they go swimming.
- [55:17]
Ben Mandelker
They had this like really funny moment where Luke is like, look, this is a nice conversation. It's hot as balls out here. Let's go swimming. And then they change it. They like cuts to them in their bathing suits and they like jump into the pool and just like 60s font comes up and goes the Valley. And it just goes to commercial. It was such a bizarre little like the post productions bored and wants to do something fun with their effects right now moment.
- [55:39]
Ronnie Karam
And by the way, wacky. Let's have a wacky little jaunt in between discussing alcoholism.
- [55:44]
Ben Mandelker
I know. By the way, let's talk about also Jill. Jill was really trying to have some really trying to steal the spotlight in the scene every time. Jasmine was like having a moment to talk. And Jasmine's really been like absent for most of this season. She's finally having a storyline and she's finally getting to talk. And in comes Jill just walking and trying to literally step in front of Jasmine and the camera. Jill, you have to settle down, okay? Just hang out by the side. You're not a main character on the show, I'm sorry to tell you.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. Jill, calm down.
- [56:15]
Ben Mandelker
Jill, just relax. Jill, okay? You got a new house. You got. You got a yard now. What else do you want? They do all these things for you. You don't have to steal Jasmine's moments.
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Ronnie Karam
So then we go to Luke and Danny going ring shopping at coaching.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Sheena. Yeah. Nowhere. There's no other jeweler. Jeweler we have.
- [56:37]
Ronnie Karam
She's like, hi, everybody. Welcome to the store. Hope everybody's being kind to Tom Sandoval today. Okay.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
- [56:44]
Ronnie Karam
Let's take a look at the rings.
- [56:46]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. So yeah, Luke and. Luke and Daniel looking at rings and everything. And they're like, you know, they're just looking at rings and Luke's.
- [56:55]
Ronnie Karam
We don't have enough men standing up for shitty, toxic dudes. Let's bring in Kyle Chan. Okay. Need some support.
- [57:02]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. So Kyle Chan pours him some drinks. Luke. Tristan told Luke, by no means should you pay more than $10,000 for this ring, but this one's $14,000. So he's gonna do it. He's gonna violate her. Her wishes to get her a nice ring.
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Ronnie Karam
Ring, yeah, it's 14, but it's got the Kyle Chan discount attached. So that's true. And Luke's, Danny's like, well, that's a statement ring right there. That's what you're getting. You're getting a statement, bro. They kept doing. They kept entering into, into evidence this Danny laugh. And it would be echoing over them, even talking. He'd be like, this is a statement. And the laugh would keep going while he sang his next line. They're like, just keep the laugh. The audience loves the laugh. Keep it.
- [57:47]
Ben Mandelker
Well, then they especially needed to enter the laugh into evidence, considering that later on in the episode, Nia, like, basically commands him to stop laughing and seeing how pained he is and not be able to do his signature laugh, he, like, does not. He goes into an existential spiral. So here he's just like, oh, it looks like a pretty nice little drinky board there, Kyle Chan.
- [58:10]
Ronnie Karam
So the producer's like, so when did you realize Kristen was the one? Because you've been a little waffly on, you know, getting married and stuff. And he's like, well, you know, we had to take a road trip with four dogs all the way to Montana, and she did it. So I was like, wow, if a woman will get in a small car with four dogs and me and make it all the way to Montana, that's the chick I'm gonna marry. And I was like, that's. You know, Luke is the most sensible person on this show because I think that's the best test of a marriage. Just drive with someone for a long way in extremely annoying circumstances and see if they're still down to stop at the BUC EE's, you know?
- [58:48]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
- [58:48]
Ronnie Karam
Like, hey, we can just leave the air conditioner on for the dogs. Let's go in there. They've got fun.
- [58:54]
Ben Mandelker
Christian's like, and I know he was the one when we went on that road trip and I made him listen to Rhiannon on repeat the entire way.
- [59:02]
Ronnie Karam
Rhiannon. So he picks out the ring and he's like, are you gonna pay for me, Dan? It's like, I was going to. I'm just kidding, bro. I'm just kidding.
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Ben Mandelker
Hey, everyone, this is the end of part one of this recap for part two. Keep an eye on your podcast feed. It is coming up in just a moment. Thanks so much for listening. Catch you on the second half half. Watch what crap. INS would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Allison King. It's always a party on Allison Block.
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Ronnie Karam
Our way is the Amber Way.
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Ben Mandelker
It's the Foster and the Furious. It's Amanda Foster.
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Ronnie Karam
She can run my country. It's Angie McGovern.
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Ben Mandelker
It's always automatic with Ashley Auto. Put your hands together For Carly Clap.
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Ronnie Karam
Get on the right foot With Chrissy Offut she's not just a Sheila She's a Daniella Echo we never miss her call It's Diane Call Erin mcnicholas She.
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Ben Mandelker
Don'T miss no Tricholas Hava Nagila Weber. You'll never hide from Heidi Eleanor Jones. I go, you go, we all go for Hugo Jamie she has no less.
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Ronnie Karam
Namey she's our kind of mess It's Jennifer Messer Sip some scotch with Jessica.
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Ben Mandelker
Trot she's our favorite streamer Caroline Peacock.
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Ronnie Karam
Kristen the Piston Anderson Get a bee in your bonnet With Lacey boy bringing.
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Ben Mandelker
The funk It's Leslie Plunkett she gets.
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Ronnie Karam
A name from us It's Lindsey D. Let's give a Kisserino to Lisa Leno Fresh as a daisy It's Maisie McHenry we love her on the rocks It's Melissa Cox Megan Berg. You can't have a burger without the.
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Ben Mandelker
Berg this is living with Michelle Vivian.
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Ronnie Karam
I love a YA Olivia Williamson Tastier than Flanderson. It's Rachel Manderson she sure is swell It's Raquel, yes we can.
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Ben Mandelker
It's Savannah Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman. Let's share with Sharon Eldridge the Bay.
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Ronnie Karam
Area and our super premium sponsors She's VVIP It's Amanda V. Can't lose when you're with Amy Baldwin.
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Ben Mandelker
Somebody get us 10cc's of Betsy MD.
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Ronnie Karam
We'Re taking the gold with Brenda Silva.
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Ben Mandelker
Let'S get real with Caitlin o' Neal.
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Ronnie Karam
Don'T get salty with Christine Pepper can't have a meal without the Emily sides Let's go into the woods with Guy.
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Ben Mandelker
Tubbs who, what, why, where?
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Ronnie Karam
And Gwen Pentland it's our queen It's.
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Ben Mandelker
Queen Laifa Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall Know your worth with Jason Kurt Hail the cork master the master of the cork Jennifer Corcoran. We got our wish It's Jen Plish she's not harsh She's Jill Hirsch She's a little bit loony Me Juni, my.
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Ronnie Karam
Favorite Murdo Karen McMurdo she gets an A It's Kelly B.
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Ben Mandelker
We love him madly It's Kyle Pod Shadley we're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Baron She's a whiz It's Liz Sarthi always killing it It's Lola Al.
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Ronnie Karam
Kalani the incredible edible Matthew Sisters she eases our woes it's Melissa St. Rose we're on the floor with Molly Dorset There's a chance of meatballs It's Rebecca Cloud.
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Ben Mandelker
She's the queen, Queen B It's Sarah Lemke Shannon out of a Cannon Anthony let's take off with Tamla Plain.
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Ronnie Karam
It's always a good time when you're wasting time with Bravo. She ain't no shrinking violet couture. We love you guys. If you like, watch what crappens. You can listen ad free right now by joining Wondery in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short survey@wondery.com Commencement.
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Ben Mandelker
At 24 I lost my narrative. Or rather, it was stolen from me, and the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks both recognizable and unrecognizable recognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up, they connected with the people that I'm talking to, and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful. Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.