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Ben Mandelker
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Misha Brown
Every big moment starts with a big dream. But what happens when that big dream turns out to be a big flop? From Wondery and ill media, I'm Misha Brown and this is the Big Flop. Every week, comedians join me to chronicle the biggest flubs, fails and blunders of all time. Like Quibi, it's kind of like when.
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Ronnie Karam
You give your your own nickname and you try to like get other people to do it.
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Misha Brown
And the 2019 movie adaptation of Cats.
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Ben Mandelker
Like, if I'm watching the dancing and I'm noticing the feet aren't touching the ground, there's something wrong with the movie.
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Misha Brown
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Ben Mandelker
Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?
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Ronnie Karam
Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys. It's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay, it's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.
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Ben Mandelker
So we're at Jesse's house and Isabella is there and she's drawing or whatever and she has a booger. She gives it to Jesse, he takes it and he throws it away.
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Ronnie Karam
And I know you love that. I thought that was so funny. He's like, everything okay? She's like, I booger. It's right on her finger. He's like, okay, I will take that booger.
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Ben Mandelker
I I loved it because it meant that Jesse had to have a booger on his finger. So I was like, more power to Isabella, you know?
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Ronnie Karam
So Jesse is having a Moment of clarity where he's like, you can only be, you can only be bitter for so long. And now I'm exhausted, so I'm going to be really nice. I don't want it to consume me. I don't want my wife's whoredom to consume me. So you know, I have three things. I've got my relationship, my business and my daughter. So.
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Ben Mandelker
And a booger.
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Ronnie Karam
Four things.
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Ben Mandelker
Four things here. So I got my relationship, now I have my business. I've got Isabella.
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Ronnie Karam
We're singing Color Purple. Yes, I got my business. I got my burger too. I got my baby. I got a piano, I don't play.
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Ben Mandelker
I believe Michelle is a. And I know it in my bones. Cause she's slutty, slutty, slutty.
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Ronnie Karam
And I buy it up until the moment he starts tap dancing. I'm like, oh my God, I can't.
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Ben Mandelker
I'm leaving this in the bloomers. He's tap dancing on the thing on.
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Ronnie Karam
A movie that forces Celie to tap dance in a fabric store. I will not do it.
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Ben Mandelker
Jesse's like, michelle, until you do right by me, you will not be allowed to see Isabella. So yeah, so. So the iPad rings, Michelle is there and Isabelle's like, Michelle is like, guess what, Isabella, I found your key in the refrigerator. That's mommy's favorite place because it's cold.
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Ronnie Karam
And she's like, you could bring me the key. You could bring it, you could drop it off. And she's like, no, I'm not going to drop it off. What are you talking about? You are the one who left it at home. And Jesse's like, yeah, she'll get her way cuz she's bossy. She goes, no, dwab it off. Michelle's like, okay, I'll drop it. I will dwab it off. I will do it.
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Ben Mandelker
Doesn't Michelle say something like, well, I have concerns about dropping off the key cuz it's my house key. But she still drops it off. I'm like, why does your 4 year old have access to the house key? I'm sorry.
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Ronnie Karam
I mean Jesse can copy the key, he can just get the key off the four year old. It's not like it's going to be that tricky.
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Ben Mandelker
Besides, doesn't Rob Reiner have like a guard at the front who can let them all in? I don't understand why.
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Ronnie Karam
Except everybody knows the code is meatloaf. No, the everybody knows the code is meathead. So. So Jesse's like, yeah, we're gonna figure it out. Look how I opened the door for Michelle. I'm a good person now. So she's just ignoring him, and she's like, here is your key. And Isabella takes the key and she goes, fujawena, it's not cold. She's like, you're lying to me, mommy. That's what daddy says you always do, you lying whore.
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Ben Mandelker
So Jesse is doing this whole thing, like, I'm just coexisting with Michelle at this point. We live this parallel life until that life collides again in a positive way. I think it'll work out. He's basically doing this whole, like, I'm a good, evolved guy, and it's up to her to mature because I've already matured and I'm classy. I'm gonna drink my wine. I'm like, don't buy it for one second.
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Ronnie Karam
We saw the last episode. Why are you act like it's been a year since the last episode.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
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Ronnie Karam
After all of this, I've really learned to mature now. And he's like, yeah, I really want things to work out with Michelle. So it cuts back to them. And he's like, did you bring the Crocs, too? She's like, no, they. I was in a reg. And goes, yeah, and the pink sippy cup.
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Ben Mandelker
Just get a new pink sippy cup, sir. So then we now go to Britney's house because it's time for stop. For an apology dinner. So Chef Gino is there, and Britt is off offering everyone shots at this dinner to this dinner for apologizing for drunken behavior. For drunkenly accusing someone of being too drunk. So they're have some shots to kick off the drunken apology. Drunken.
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Ronnie Karam
Exactly. Douglas. Ham shots and caviar, y' all. I just think it's real important. Gino's real cute. I can cut too. He's also real cute. So Janet, everybody arrives, you know, and Mia's like, I feel so uncomfortable. Am I coming to my funeral? Why is everybody. Everybody in black.
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Ben Mandelker
But then Kristen comes in and, like, bright orange, like, straight from selling trinkets at a farmer's market. Hey, guys. Made $35. What's going on, everyone?
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Ronnie Karam
They're like, does anybody smell patchouli? It's just like a big puff of smoke. And Kristen's there. Incense, stupid.
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Ben Mandelker
I made $16. I was so close to making more. As one person once sang, I. I was on the edge of 17.
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Ronnie Karam
Okay, so it's really quiet. Everyone's just staring at each other, like, waiting to talk. So Britney's like, okay, Well, I think at the beginning of this dinner, I need to address what happened at the other day in Santa Barbara's because, you know, I love you, Nia. I love you. So I just want to clear the air, okay? So I'm sorry. How it came across, how it came out, that was crazy, okay? Like, if we weren't drinking all day and eating all day and just drunk off our asses, okay, it's not. The drinking is an excuse, but we were just drunk, you know, So I hope that that's okay. Like, yeah, you were shit faced and having an alcoholic discussion.
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Ben Mandelker
It is funny because I didn't even clock this when you said it at the top of the show. It didn't even. I didn't even clock the fact that they are. They are apologizing for accusing Danny being wasted and they're apologizing for the. They had bad delivery because they themselves were wasted. It is actually hilarious.
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Ronnie Karam
And you know, I would also say jacked up because both of them were not just drunk, they were both, like, very agitated and like. So it's just funny that this whole plot line is going on with Jax while they're all still jaxing up on Trip and yelling at her.
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Ben Mandelker
I know, Jack. So Jasmine apologizes for raising her voice. And so Nia's basically like. Neil's like, okay, you bitches. You guys want to mess with the pageant queen because you're about to get pageant queen. Real, real good. Because I got a secret for you. It's my backstory. So Nia tells, all I've ever wanted was world peace.
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Ronnie Karam
Like, oh, shit, we were about to look real bad on television.
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Ben Mandelker
So Thea explains why she acts the way she does. And so she tells a story which is, you know, it's an emotional story because she talks about how growing up she was homeless and she, she and her mom, they would have to camp out in people's backyards, living on. On sofas. And she. They lived in cars. And then when she was living in LA in between jobs, or she would have. She lives in her car and she would sleep in the backseat. And how mortifying it was. Have security guard, like, knock on the window and say, you got to like, go move your car to Ralph's, you know, which is a supermarket over here. And it's a very. It is a very moving story. And I liked it because she's basically like, yeah, you guys thought you could come for me, but I've got this. I have a torturous backstory and I'm you all with It, I have to.
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Ronnie Karam
Say I cried a little bit, which is kind of rare. I cried the weirdest times but I kind of cried a little bit and then I started cracking up because she's like going through this whole thing like we're homeless, we've. I mean even as an adult I was sleeping in my own car. And so there's a reason why it's important to me to stay positive. So I'm not really pretending everything's perfect. I'm just staying positive and I'm kind of crying because I mean that's you know, like it's so real and it's so sweet. Like she's such a sweet person. And then I started laughing because I cut to Britney's face and Brittany's face is just like this. She like realized like this is her season where she's supposed to be the biggest victim on earth and all this stuff with Jack, she's supposed to be getting all this and she threw it away in one second in probably a coked out rage yelling at this poor woman who's now making herself the biggest martyr on the show. And you just see Britney like wait a minute, wait a minute. We had a come pick a minute. You just see it go across her face. I was cracking up. So Kristen's like, yeah, I have no idea. Neo went through so much. If you mess with Neil, you're messing with Stevie.
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Ben Mandelker
You have to go through me first. I was like oh, okay. Doesn't seem too threatening. Also I, I loved this moment that this is like a moment where Kristen's like wow. I like she's, she's pledging her support for Nia but I'm like you're also revealing. You're kind of a shitty friend. How do you not know this about Nia? Do you guys ever ask your friends about like their lives? This seems like a pretty big deal. I also was laughing because I too was like this was a beautiful, this is like it's an emotional story. And I was like very moved. And I was like wow. Like that I can't even imagine. And yet when a similar story was told on Selling Sunset when Chrishell was like yeah, I was raised in a car. I was just like fuck you Chrishell. Don't even try to manipulate me like that.
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Ronnie Karam
It was just the Chris shells just comes out at the weirdest times. And it's like I was the smelly kid in school. Guys like okay, well Nia, I think the difference in Nia's is because she's actually explaining why she's so positive. Whereas Rochelle, it came for some stupid.
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Ben Mandelker
Fight they were in. The reason why I need to sell this three bedroom, four bathroom house in Sherman Oaks is because I was the smelly kid, right?
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. Christine being mean to me reminds me of being the smelly kid. I was like, huh. So she goes through this whole thing and she's like, you know, that's why I have to stay positive. Because even, like, sleeping in the car, I would say, thank God that I at least have this car. So I've had to have that perspective, you know, and that's just how I am. And my therapist says, you've had to be that way to survive. And I love that you have to go to a therapist in LA for being positive because people are like, what is wrong with you? Why are you always looking at the bright side of things? Something's fucking wrong with you. You never cry. You're not divorcing your husband. What the fuck? She's like, so I went to therapy for. And they told me you had to be positive. You had no other choice.
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Ben Mandelker
Jasmine's like, thank you for sharing that you explained that right now. And, like, that totally makes sense. And I think it was just hard to see, like, so many people being so vulnerable about certain things. And you, you had this whole story about being unhoused and you didn't even share it at that moment. It just would have been a great opportunity then. And that's where my frustration really was.
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Ronnie Karam
But what is Jasmine vulnerable about? What has Jasmine brought here? Nothing, except a storyline with Dani, which she didn't bring to the table. So she's saying, everybody else is being so vulnerable, and she keeps pointing to Brittany. But what have you brought? Except the Danny thing, which you didn't bring to the table either. So I'm just. I'm. I can't help but be annoyed with this. And he is like, okay, I mean, I see your perspective, but if she feel like I was hiding, then it was more hurtful that you left the table to talk about it. Like, you could talk to me. And Britney's like, well, you know, like, I love seeing that. That part of you, like this poor person part of you. Because, you know, sleeping in your car, I mean, that's just what we do where I come from. So, like, I'll get it. Okay? I'm poor, too. Okay. Do I get points? Because I grew up pretty poor too. My mama wears wide out his lip dick. Okay.
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Ben Mandelker
Meemaw melts her cheese for the beer. Cheese on a catalytic converter. So Janice, like, I'm really grateful and. And happy.
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Ronnie Karam
Cuz Britney's face when she's talking about, like, growing up and sleeping in parking lots, Britney's like, I mean, was it a bad neighborhood?
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Ben Mandelker
That's all exciting. Grew up watching the Smurfs. I mean, we all do that, right? So. So Janet's like, I'm really grateful and happy to see that Nia's opening up and being honest and that they're working through things. But the behavior didn't stop. And my husband has never once hidden a cupboard chucking tequila, making people uncomfortable.
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Ronnie Karam
So making me uncomfortable. There it is. There it is. Janet. Oh, no, I've been. I was uncomfortable. I was in the closet with a man who drank tequila in front of me, but was hiding it somehow.
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Ben Mandelker
So she said. She tells her. I think some of the reason that I had such a reaction also to, like, Dani being passed out was something kind of strange happened. Like when we got back to the house after wine tasting, like, I walked into the walk in pantry to get, like, a snack. I was gonna make a Mac easy Mac cup, you know, nothing. Nothing too big. And when I walked in, Daniel came in behind me. Is it okay if I call him Daniel and shut the door and then, like, chugged out of a tequila bottle? And he was like. And it just made me feel like, a little uncomfortable because I didn't want to be part of, like, you know, if he wanted to do something and he didn't want everyone to see. I didn't want to be part of a secret, you know, and if you're ever having concerns about his drinking, like, you know, I don't want you to, you know, because of how everything happened in Santa Barbara, you know, I don't want you ever feel like you don't have friends that you could go to because, you know, I was in a relationship for years with someone who had a drug and alcohol problem. And so if Danny ever needs to check into rehab, he can always crash at our house and I can talk to him about his issues, you know, nothing too big.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. And I loved when Nia said, yeah, I feel like that's a really. Like, Nia's demeanor changed and she's like, yeah, I feel like that's a really big statement for you to make. And Kristen's like, yeah, I agree. And he is like, I mean, I know you're trying to pretend you're being nice here, okay, with your concern, your blatant concern trolling, but that's kind of a big thing to say. Like, if you have a problem with Daniel's drinking. Okay, like, we're good now. And Jasmine's like, well, I mean, like, she means cuz, like he's in a closet. Like he was taking a shot in a closet. Like he was in the closet taking a shot. And Janet goes, yeah, because he was hiding it. He was doing it right in front of you, Janet. And he is like, well, but you just compared it to someone who had drug and alcohol problems. And Jasmine goes, oh, yeah, I missed that. I missed that. I. I didn't get that either. I didn't get that. Not that I've been doing this. Haven't been doing the same thing this whole time, but yeah, yeah. What? What? What? What?
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Ben Mandelker
And Nia's like, because Danielle doesn't do drugs. And so comparing it to someone who has drug and alcohol problems, that's like a whole different thing, you know? And she's basically saying that Janet is totally off base and implying that, you know, that Danny has a drug and alcohol problem. And she's like, this is the worst apology I've ever heard. I was like, well, you should listen to some of Jax's apologies because they're a little bit worse, but I'll give you this one.
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Ronnie Karam
But it was. Yeah, she's right that it's not an apology. And so now Janet's pissed and she tells us, yeah, because God forbid I compare a very painful and difficult experience I went through to Nia's perfect fucking husband. Yeah, because it's not you. Stop projecting your terrible fucking life onto everybody else. Janet, it's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappin's commercial.
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Monica Lewinsky
At 24, I lost my narrative. Or rather, it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possessed is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up, they connected with the people that I'm talking to, and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful. Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery App or on Apple Podcasts.
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Misha Brown
Every big moment starts with a big dream. But what happens when that big dream turns out to be a big flop? From Wondery and Ill Media, I'm Misha Brown and this is the Big Flop. Every week, comedians join me to chronicle the biggest flubs, fails and blunders of all time. Like Quibi.
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Ronnie Karam
It's kind of like when you give yourself your own nickname and you try to like get other people to do it.
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Misha Brown
And the 2019 movie adaptation of Cats.
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Ben Mandelker
Like if I'm watching the dancing and I'm noticing the feet aren't touching the ground, there's something wrong with the movie.
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Misha Brown
Find out what happens when massive hype turns into major fiasco. Enjoy the Big Flop on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to the Big Flop early and ad free on Wondery Plus. Get started with your free trial at Wondery.com Plus.
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Ben Mandelker
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Ben Mandelker
Question this is a serious question. How would you. I mean, it's not a serious moment, but it's a serious question though. How would you. If you had a concern. If you had a concern, and this is not a defense of Janet, but I'm curious. If you're in a situation where you were concerned that a friend's partner may have a drinking problem, how do you think you would bring it up in a way that does not make it seem like, oh, your friend is a total. Your husband's a total alcoholic. If you need to talk about it, I'm here for you.
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Ronnie Karam
I would say, hey, you know, there have been problems with your Husband, like, he got wasted on that Halloween night. Now he's, you know, sit here. Do you think that there's, like, have you. Are you okay? Like, do you think there's some kind of a problem? I mean, if it was my friend, but if it was some shithead like Janet who's just waiting for cameras and trying to make tiny little things like the tequila in the closet, and I'm so uncomfortable. And I know. A drug addict. He just seems like a drug addict, like, blatantly stirring the pot on national TV to embarrass me. I would be like, fuck you. You know, there's different ways to do it. I mean, I'm not saying people can't talk to their friends about it if there's something going on. It's just obvious that Shannon's trying to paint this picture of Dani as this drug addict, alcoholic thing on TV behind her back and is now springing it on her. And I'm glad that Nia's wise to Janet's manipulations.
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Ben Mandelker
I really appreciate that you accidentally called Janet. Shannon in there for. For one. One instance. Well, I would like to imply something. I think that for me, I think I would just, like, separate the. That question about Danny from this dinner, because I think this dinner is more about, like, hey, we want to make good with you, Nia. And then maybe go on, like, a private coffee with Nia and say, hey, I want to check in about Danny. Because I felt bad like, that. Like, how do you. How are you feeling about his drinking? Because it did kind of suck that, like, you had to, like, bear the brunt of this whole situation. Is everything okay? Just want to do a check in. And then if they said everything is fine, it's like, then that's all you have to go in. But I don't know if I would say, well, because I knew someone who had, like, a severe issue with drinking, and I'm seeing it in Danny. And I think that if you need to talk about it, I'm here to talk about it. But I think I made.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah, because Janet's doing. In front of everybody, first of all, and on tv, and she's saying, you know, it's. I went through the same thing as you because I also had a boyfriend with a drug and alcohol problem. You know, she's wording it in a way that she's. She's saying that Danny has a drug and alcohol problem. She's not trying to say, does he have a problem? She's saying, your husband has a problem. Because my husband Had a problem, you know, which is just shitty. She knows what she's doing and she's doing it with that concerned little face and just nodding. And so Nia's like, okay. And Janet says, yeah, and that was just an uncomfortable moment. I'm gonna say uncomfortable again because I was basically assaulted by your husband in the closet. So I just wanted to tell you that. And Nia's like, okay, well that makes sense. But she's pissed and Janet's just doing that concern, nodding at her and she has goes, yeah, but you know, everyone was drinking so. Including you and your double fisting husband.
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Ben Mandelker
Who did Janet ever.
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Ronnie Karam
You're, you're Jack supporting your Jack supporting drunk of a husband, by the way, who's out there saying Jackson, amazing. Jax is an amazing dad, et cetera, et cetera.
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Ben Mandelker
So I wonder was, did, why did Janet. I will give people in general credit for if they have an ex in their life and they've had experience with this, this sort of situation that they could be brought that place and that's why they immediately jump to that conclusion. But did we ever see Janet have this conversation with Britney ahead of Jax going into rehab?
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Ronnie Karam
No. Everybody ignored everything that Brittany wanted her to. Don't you remember last season was all about Jax calling Brittany an alcoholic. So Jax was making it that Britney was this huge alcoholic and they had to have a discussion about Britney's drinking. And Brittany was like, how dare you embarrass me by bringing up my drinking in front of everybody. And now this year she's like, like, why aren't we bringing up Danny's drinking in front of everybody? Fucking hypocrite. You know? So no, nobody gave a shit until Britney wanted to make it a storyline. But now they're all wanting. I think they don't like me as like kind of a thing we see on these shows all the time. Nia's getting this. They look at it as Nia's getting this perfect edit. Like everybody likes Nia. There's nobody who doesn't like Nia. I wouldn't say like she's the most popular person on the show, but I think everyone can pretty much agree that Nia's a pretty sweet person.
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Ben Mandelker
I know I will, I will forever eat my words.
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Ronnie Karam
Crazy. Because Janet is hated by the country and Britney's probably about half and half. She's got supporters, but she's also got people calling her trash all the time. Michelle's got people calling her trash all the time. And I think they're just like this girl Meanwhile, this girl's husband's getting drunk and no one's saying anything about her. Like she gets to be this perfect thing. But the problem is it's not about the person that they're with being an. And that's why they're being villainized. And I think that's what the, the people I just mentioned on the show are trying to draw comparisons to. It's like, Nia gets away scot free because Nia's nice. Danny's not getting away scot free. Danny's being attacked all over for the shit he did, and rightly so. But Nia's not because she's nice. Whereas I think Britney's thinking I'm being attacked because of Jax, and Michelle's thinking I'm being attacked because of Jesse. And Janet's like, I'm being attacked because of. I don't know who, I don't know who Janet's blaming.
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Ben Mandelker
But no, I think that. I think. I think it's not even that they're like, oh, Janet's not even that. Like, Nia's more popular. And by the way, the first episode ever of the Valley, I was like, look at me. Yeah, she's evil. I guarantee everyone watch, she's gonna be the biggest bitch of all. And it is yet to happen, but could come through. It still could happen.
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Ronnie Karam
Slow burn.
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Ben Mandelker
It could be like a corpse flower. Just takes 100 years for it to bloom. But, but I do think that. I think that the, the common thing here and then what we touched on earlier is that Nia has been able to not. Not get into the mess, not get the. Not get the crap all over her. And, and I think they are also, they see that as like not being fair. And they're like, we have to, like, we have to deal with from the audience and we have to deal from each other and we have to deal with scandal. And you get to just like come in and then when you don't, when it's too uncomfortable or you don't want to talk about things, you are able to gracefully and maturely exit the situation. And we don't have the tools to do that. So we are one the of put you in a situation where you cannot escape and get the crap on you. And Nia's like, no. So that's where that is.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
So Kristen. Kristen's like, oh, seriously, the one thing moving forward is if we can all do this, okay, if there's a problem, go to the person straight up and ask. I think we figured it out. Which I think is funny, because how many times on reality shows do we have these summits where it always concludes, like, going forward, if you hear anything about me or I hear anything about you or we have issues with each other, let's talk about it face to face. We literally just saw with Portia and Shamia. It's my favorite resolution that has yet to ever, ever, ever be followed.
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Ronnie Karam
Which, by the way, Nia leaves and they immediately start talking about what an alcoholic dad. So, yeah, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it to each other. And Britney's like, y' all, let's pink. A promise. Promise pink. Why is everybody grabbing my finger? That's when you promise and you eat a big hot dog. Come on.
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Ben Mandelker
So, no, Neil's like, well, in this moment, I did not feel like Janet's being a friend. And I just feel like what Daniel and I have experienced and worked through is now kind of being thrown back at me and being weaponized, which is right. So Britney.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
But he's like, I feel like that was really positive with my. And Jasmine's like, yeah, I appreciate that we had this conversation with her. I still feel, though, I'm not gonna lie. It's just a little bit like, when someone cries in front of me, I'm just like, fuck it. It. No, no, I'm not gonna believe it. I'm not gonna believe it's immediate pivot.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. And Kristen's like, what? Why do you still feel that? And she's like, well, I mean, like, you know, the thought, like, it was more about, like, her relationship with Annie. And, like, that's what I kept saying over and over. I was like, let me be clear. Let me be clear. Let me be clear. Remember. Remember I said that? And Kristen's like, she literally just poured her heart out. So, like, she explained it. So, like, she explained why she does it. And Jasmine's like, no, like, look, I'm not saying he has a drinking problem, okay? I'm not. Yes, you are. Just fucking say it. And Justin's like, but, you know, like, there's signs. You know, there's signs that he has a drinking problem. Like, are you kidding me? There's science, guys. There's. There's just science. So, like, like, I know what an alcoholic is doing.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. I'm not saying he's an alcoholic, but I know what an alcoholic is doing. So when Janet said that, I'm like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Danny's an alcoholic, but I'm absolutely not saying he's an alcoholic. Okay.
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Ronnie Karam
Talk about not being able to just fucking have the balls to say it. Just say it then. So Janet's like, yeah, he's just so sneaky. I was so uncomfortable. And she's like, yeah, you know, and like, she might understand it to be something more, but like, you know, that's. That's only why she attacked you like that. That's what. She didn't attack anybody. What are you talking about? You guys are just making shit up now.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, seriously. I just think it's really dangerous thing to call someone an alcoholic. I mean, I mean, sure, Jill has her problems, but I think generally speaking, like dog, alcoholism is different. And so Jasmine. I don't even know what I'm saying.
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Ronnie Karam
I like that you made Joe without.
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Ben Mandelker
Just imagining Jill as this dog. Be like, oh, yeah, you want to with me, Luke?
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Ronnie Karam
She didn't call him an alcohol. She didn't call him an alcoholic, you know, and neither did I. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. And Janet's like, no, I'm not calling him an alcohol. Yes, you did. Yes, you guys are. You guys are. Are so you guys. How stupid do you think people are? And she's like, well, you know, she said it triggered her, but like, I'm sorry. If you show up in no costume at Jax's bar on Halloween with fucking. With fucking. Like. Like you start grabbing people's asses and telling me to call you daddy, you got a problem. And he got kicked out twice. So did Zach, and you're still besties with Zach.
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Ben Mandelker
Wait, why does Dan.
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Ronnie Karam
Huh?
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Ben Mandelker
Why is Danny not being in a costume get put on that list? Like you show up with no costume on at a Halloween.
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Ronnie Karam
Time. I'm going against whatever Jasmine's saying because it's going again because I just. Because I think Jasmine is kind of full of. Along with Janet and to a lesser degree, but it's also getting on my nerves. I feel like I have to say I'm not standing up for what Danny did on Halloween. That was. She has every right to go after him. But again, they had another sit down with Nia where they're supposed to talk things through interface and they didn't. Like, why weren't they. Why was that the discussion? You know? So she's like, well, did she bring it up? Maybe she did bring it up in this dinner and I skipped it.
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Ben Mandelker
She brought. No, she brought it up. But like, not like this. She was like. Because basically what she's basically saying here, she's like, I'm not calling him an alcoholic, but I'm calling him an alcoholic because he clearly has a problem with drinking. And I think, by the way, I think you're. I think you're allowed to say, like, someone needs to handle their alcohol better. It does. Not you. You can. It doesn't have to be just like, alcoholic or not alcoholic. Like, you know, you can tell people, hey, you're at a certain age, it's time to start being smarter with your drinking. I think that's a valid thing to say to someone. But, like, she doesn't say that to Nia. She doesn't say it at all.
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Ronnie Karam
Right? So she's like, well, I'm not letting this Danny thing go because it's still, like, it's still really bothering me, and I'm gonna sit him down and talk to him about it, which, again, you have every right to do that. It's the talking behind. It's. It's the. It's everything else that you're doing that's not great. So basically, Nia comes home. Danny's just doing like, hey, three and three give you a baby if we move to Santa Sea. Okay, 303 in Santa Sea. And so she tells him what's going on, and she's like, you know, and then Janet brings up that she had an ex that has a drug and alcohol problem. And like, she's like, I can be here for you. And Danny laughs and put his hand. He's like, what the hell are these people doing? Like, they're taking this too far. So he laughs, and she's like, danny, don't laugh, Danny. I don't like that. I don't like that you're laughing. He's like, oh, my God.
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Ben Mandelker
Danny, I can see you're pretending like those are sides. That's still just a very slow laugh extended over 10 seconds. Yes. Okay. Sorry about that. I'm not laughing. I'm not laughing. Sorry. Not laughing at all.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah, so they had a laugh. I'm sorry. It was a sigh. I had something in my throat. Sorry.
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Ben Mandelker
Danny says, well, Janet, again, trying to stir something up, making assumptions that aren't true, but throwing them out there, she will want to get. I'm like, she is. But also, Danny, you're one to talk. Because last time I checked, you're the one who gossiped about Michelle being a big prostitute. Okay, so you're not. So you're not so innocent on the stirring up up front either.
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Ronnie Karam
Yes. And that's the thing. It's like, no matter what's happening with the other group, it doesn't absolve Danny of also being a little, you know, in his own right. So Janet's like, so. Oh. So then we go to Janet and Jason's hat. Janet. Jason and their low ass hood's house. And Jason's like, so how did end. Are you guys good? And she's like, well, I mean, you know, here's where I'm at with Nia. You can't continue to protect this person who's doing something wrong, especially when it's affecting, like, Jasmine and Melissa's relationship. Do you know what Jasmine and Melissa are currently going through because of this?
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Ben Mandelker
And Jason's like, yeah. I mean, at this point, you gotta sort of know your limits. It's like, well, it's the hiding too. Kristen kept saying, oh, we're not gonna act like Danny has a drinking problem. Well, I'm not saying Danny needs to be where Jax is, but it might be worth questioning his relationship with alcohol. Oh, no, this is exactly what I was saying, isn't it? I'm janeting it up over here. But she's saying it might be worth for Danny to question where his relationship with alcohol. And if it's hiding, if you're doing these little things, it's not great.
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Ronnie Karam
He's not hiding. He did it right in front of you. I'm gonna keep saying it every time she says that, because Janet keeps saying the same thing over. She's like a hacky politician who just keeps saying the same thing over and over until it memes, you know? So then back to Nia. She's like, you know, and she also said that when you had the tequila, she. That it was in the pantry in the bedroom area, and that you went in there with tequila and, like, took a shot of it, which of course you told me, but that you closed the door like you were trying to hide it. So she's like, well, I don't want to be on. On a secret. And she's like, honey, don't laugh. He's like, am I. Am I laughing? I didn't. I just. Because it just gets worse and worse. He's like, what is this woman trying to do to me?
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Ben Mandelker
And he's like, okay, okay, take it seriously, honey. He's like, okay, well, look, that's where the bottles were behind the door, you know? She's like, okay, well, I. I did not know that. Yeah, it's in that back door. Yeah. And she's like, oh, I didn't know that. I know. He's like, so I literally picked it up and I took a shot and then I was going back there. I had. I had to shut the door, you know.
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Ronnie Karam
So. Janet. So fucking ridiculous. I can't. This is when I was just like, oh, fuck off, Janet. When he said that the alcohol was behind the doors. Close it. So Nia's like, well, yeah, I mean, you told me you took a shot, but you didn't say you closed the door. And so, yeah, he's like, well, that's why I. I did it, you know? So then Mia's like, okay, well, then I'm not bothered by it, but. And he's like, yeah, this whole thing's crazy. And so he's laughs again. And she's like, stop laughing. It's a nervous laugh and I don't like it. You did not do that thing. That's a laugh.
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Ben Mandelker
No, no. I'm in character as a zombie who just went to the improv, you know, because zombies do enjoy stand up too, and just. I'm just in character, that's all. It's not a me laugh. It's just I'm working right now. I'm basically. This is for our family. This laugh is for our family right now.
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Ronnie Karam
So now Jason is telling Janet we'll all have a talk with Danny because he needs to understand how his behavior is hurting all of us. Okay, Jason. Basic ass Jason. So that's pretty much it. You know, Danny's like, this is the end of the roast of Danny Buco. That is not okay. Roasting Danny Buco. That will stop today. It will stop today.
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Ben Mandelker
It is nice, though, to see Danny get his feet put to the fire a little bit though, you know, because he has kind of been able to skate by and he sort of does. He does messy things and he just sort of smiles and is really cute and everything. But, like, you know, I think it is. I. I kind of feel like it sucks that Nia had to bear the brunt of.
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Ronnie Karam
Of.
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Ben Mandelker
Of Danny's actions. And that is. That is as much the problem with the people who were brunt. Doing the brunt, sending the brunt towards her, but also, like, you know, no.
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Ronnie Karam
Problem with Danny to the fire. I think that's great. Hold his feet to them. He's done. You guys can call him out on. It's just coming for Nia is low.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, what a fun episode. The Valley is full of all sorts of. Of feels. Thanks for being here, everyone, and we will catch you on the next episode.
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Bye. Bye.
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