#2857 RHOA S16E12 Part One: Country Clubbed w/ Kempire

Summary

Episode Summary: #2857 RHOA S16E12 Part One: Country Clubbed w/ Kempire

Podcast Title: Watch What Crappens
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Guest: Kempire
Release Date: May 26, 2025
Episode Focus: Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 16 Episode 12 Recap and Analysis

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Introduction to the Episode

The episode kicks off with Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam welcoming their guest, Kempire, a rising personality known for his appearances on TUA and his upcoming tour, "Kempire After Dark: The Villain Era." The hosts briefly mention Ben's absence due to his travels in Norway, setting the stage for an in-depth Atlanta recap.

Key Quote:

Ronnie Karam [02:59]: "Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie and today we've got a very special, gorgeous, handsome, talented guest, Kempire."

Sponsorship Segments

Before delving into the main content, the hosts acknowledge their sponsors, Virgin Voyages and Amazon Prime. They provide enthusiastic endorsements, highlighting the luxury and perks of these services.

Notable Quote:

Ben Mandelker [00:33]: "Everything they offer, from their menus created by Michelin star chefs to their cabins designed by top international firms, is the pinnacle of luxury."

Main Discussion: Kempire’s Insights

The Diddy Trial Coverage

Kempire shares his experiences covering the high-profile Diddy trial, emphasizing its emotional and educational impact. He discusses the complexities of the case, highlighting Cassie Ventura's bravery in testifying while eight and a half months pregnant. The trial's focus on domestic violence, rather than more severe charges, is analyzed, revealing the prosecution's meticulous buildup of evidence.

Notable Quote:

Kempire [05:10]: "He's admitting that he was a terrible or is a terrible person. At least to Cassie Ventura and some of the people that he worked with."

Real Housewives of Atlanta Reboot

The conversation shifts to the reboot of "Real Housewives of Atlanta," where Kempire critiques the introduction of new housewives and the absence of long-standing members like Portia. He offers candid opinions on new cast members, particularly criticizing Brit for her perceived lack of authenticity and questioning Brit’s claims about her insurance license being under investigation.

Key Points:

• Introduction of three new housewives marks the reboot.
• Potential dynamics and conflicts arising from new and returning members.
• Kempire’s skepticism regarding Brit’s statements about her professional setbacks.

Notable Quote:

Kempire [10:53]: "I don't believe it had anything to do with what Kenya said or did."

Dynamics Among Housewives

The hosts and Kempire delve into the intricate relationships and tensions among the housewives. They discuss Portia’s relationship with her husband Charles, highlighting the lack of visible support from him despite Portia’s constant praise. The discussion touches on Kelly and Britt’s strained friendship, attributing the fallout to Britt’s lack of loyalty.

Notable Quotes:

Ronnie Karam [14:54]: "I want to know what turns Kelly to that point because Kelly's been writing pretty hard for that one too, and that can't be the easiest to fight for."

Kempire [15:31]: "She's so pretending this entire time. And we found out this what last week, that Portia is pretending."

Anticipation for Upcoming Episodes

As the episode progresses, the hosts speculate on upcoming events in the show, such as the group trip planned for the housewives, which they believe will be a catalyst for further drama and relationship shifts. Kempire predicts potential confrontations and deeper breakdowns in existing friendships, particularly between Portia and Shamia.

Key Points:

• The group trip is expected to heighten tensions and reveal true personalities.
• Anticipation of Phaedra’s potential full-time role in the show.
• Predictions on how relationships will evolve during the trip.

Notable Quote:

Kempire [27:23]: "I think production were in their ears in regards to like, okay, this is where we need to go."

Shamia’s Role and Performances

The discussion moves to Shamia’s recent behaviors and her attempts to assert herself both on the show and in external media. The hosts critique her authenticity and question her motivations, especially her recent music endeavors aimed at promoting the show.

Notable Quote:

Ronnie Karam [51:54]: "You need to be better than this for yourself. You know what I mean?"

Additional Drama and Rumors

Kempire and Ronnie touch upon various rumors surrounding the housewives, including potential conflicts over business dealings and property acquisitions. They express a desire for the truth to emerge, especially regarding Shamia's alleged purchase of a daycare previously owned by Kim Zolciak.

Key Points:

• Examination of off-camera relationships and business moves.
• Speculation on Shamia’s and Portia’s business strategies.
• Impact of these rumors on the housewives' on-screen relationships.

Notable Quote:

Kempire [36:04]: "We have quite a few liars this season, again on this show. A lot of liars."

Conclusion and Teasers for Part Two

As the episode nears its end, Ronnie and Kempire provide brief anecdotes unrelated to the main discussion, illustrating their rapport and humor. They announce that this is part one of a two-part recap, encouraging listeners to tune in for the continuation.

Notable Quote:

Ronnie Karam [53:54]: "Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one. Of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers."

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Final Thoughts

Episode #2857 of "Watch What Crappens" offers an in-depth and candid analysis of "Real Housewives of Atlanta" Season 16 Episode 12. With insightful commentary from guest Kempire, the hosts dissect the complexities of the housewives' relationships, the impact of new cast members, and the overarching drama that continues to define the series. Notable for its blend of humor, critical analysis, and insider perspectives, this episode serves both dedicated fans and newcomers seeking a comprehensive understanding of the latest developments in RHOA.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ronnie Karam [02:59]: "Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie and today we've got a very special, gorgeous, handsome, talented guest, Kempire."
• Ben Mandelker [00:33]: "Everything they offer, from their menus created by Michelin star chefs to their cabins designed by top international firms, is the pinnacle of luxury."
• Kempire [05:10]: "He's admitting that he was a terrible or is a terrible person. At least to Cassie Ventura and some of the people that he worked with."
• Kempire [10:53]: "I don't believe it had anything to do with what Kenya said or did."
• Ronnie Karam [14:54]: "I want to know what turns Kelly to that point because Kelly's been writing pretty hard for that one too, and that can't be the easiest to fight for."
• Kempire [15:31]: "She's so pretending this entire time. And we found out this what last week, that Portia is pretending."
• Kempire [27:23]: "I think production were in their ears in regards to like, okay, this is where we need to go."
• Ronnie Karam [51:54]: "You need to be better than this for yourself. You know what I mean?"
• Kempire [36:04]: "We have quite a few liars this season, again on this show. A lot of liars."
• Ronnie Karam [53:54]: "Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one. Of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers."

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This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting the critical discussions and providing valuable insights for listeners and fans of "Real Housewives of Atlanta."

Transcript

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[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what crappens. I'm Ronnie and today we've got a very special, gorgeous, handsome, talented guest, Kempire. Hello, Kempire. How are you?

[Kempire]

I'm well. How are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you for having me in. Thank you so much for being here. As you guys know, Ben is in Norway right now tasting all of the jams and tinned fish that Norway have the best life. Wow. So we're doing this Atlanta recap. Gladly. You guys go check out Kemp. He is on TUA this summer. It's Kempire after dark, the villain era. You can check it out in Philly. July 10, Atlanta. August 5, D.C. august 22, New York City. September 12. You can go to linktree thekempire to find tickets. Are you psyched to go on tour?

[Kempire]

Usually preparing for a tour, I'm like. But once I'm there and I'm with the audience and the vibes are good, I'm great. But it's the preparation, literally, like the booking and all that. And then the preparation actual show.

[Ronnie Karam]

What's on your writer when you go on?

[Kempire]

I have none.

[Ronnie Karam]

Please. You got to have a writer. Come on.

[Kempire]

We're not at that level yet.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, we don't really have, you know, we call it a writer, but It's M&MS. And hummus. That's all we have. But you feel fancy being like, where's my Eminem? So, like, here it is. Oh, sometimes we'll get like a five pounder. I didn't even know they had those.

[Kempire]

I'm going to send a strongly worded letter come Monday.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, so what have you been doing? So you cover all sorts of anyone who is new to Kempire, which I'm sure aren't many of you. Go check out his YouTube channel. It's fantastic and keeps me up to date. Tell us what you have been up to. I know you've had a very busy ditty life over there.

[Kempire]

Yeah, I've been engulfed in the Diddy trial. And that was part of the reason why I haven't been traveling the last couple of weeks. Because normally for my birthday, I usually travel, but okay, I was like diddy starting, I can't leave. So I've been giving like a summary every single day, both on the YouTube channel and the podcast of the Diddy trial. And just I'm entrenched all day every day.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that's fitting that you feel like you can't leave because that's kind of the crux of the trial. Just your very method.

[Kempire]

Exactly.

[Ronnie Karam]

So that trial is disturbing as fuck. How are you doing that every day? How are you, like taking care of your mental health while that's going on?

[Kempire]

Well, you know, you know, people might find that to be funny, but. No, you really have to, because.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I'm not joking.

[Kempire]

Yeah, no, there's a lot of interesting and just really traumatic things. Even if no matter how you feel about whether or not the defense is doing their job or the prosecution is doing their job improving the charges, it's more so just he's admitting that he was a terrible or is a terrible person. He was a terrible person. At least to Cassie Ventura and some of the people that he worked with. But it's also really interesting, especially because, you know, I come from a background of working for a law firm for like 15 plus years and sort of seeing this different dynamic because I'm not an attorney, however, seeing it from this side of things and learning new things every day when it comes to how the prosecution's handling the case or the defense and seeing how witnesses are being questioned and how journalists are handling these stories. So it's been really educational, interesting, traumatic some days, covering some, some of the details of it. Especially Cassie talking about this at the very, very beginning and her bravery. Eight and a half months pregnant, getting on the stand.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is crazy. Seeing an eight and a half month pregnant lady getting up on the stand and just. And I heard that they wanted her to go up before the jury came in so that they could, you know, not get the sympathy from the jury and all.

[Kempire]

Yep.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, come on. So what's his basic defense? That he was a horrible person, but it was within the law and everyone's just complaining.

[Kempire]

Well, no, not within the law. Within it being just domestic violence and not, not racketeering or s. Trafficking or anything like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, okay.

[Kempire]

So. But if you really pay attention, and I've been speaking with a lot of different attorneys, you. You see that the prosecution is little by little putting a puzzle together and putting this story together. Of no, it's not just tv. He used his companies and his employees to fulfill his dark fantasies and abuses. So he, it's interesting. It's only two weeks in and I think it's too soon to say whether or not he walks free. Either way, even if he does walk free, he has a lot of civil lawsuits that he's facing too.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he's going to be in it for a while.

[Kempire]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I mean, I know that you're getting really deep into it, because when we started this, I had to have you get a towel. You were starting with the baby oil, the lathering yourself. Like, come on, now. This is. Watch our cry. You're at a different job today, sir.

[Kempire]

Okay, Let me tell you something. After all of this coverage of the Diddy trial, I do not want to see a bottle of baby oil Astro Glide applesauce. I don't want to see anything. Yeah, he loves applesauce on everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why has he got to come for applesauce, Man?

[Kempire]

I used to like applesauce. Never again.

[Ronnie Karam]

Applesauce is dead to you. All right, let's get into this season of Real Housewives of Atlanta. So we haven't really. I don't think we've talked since this season has started. What is. What are your overall thoughts of this reboot? This re. Look, it's not really a full reboot, but whatever.

[Kempire]

I mean, it's quite a few new people when you think about it. I mean, Portia hasn't been there in a long time. Shamia was never full time, and now we have three new housewives. So it's. It's subsequently a reboot. Yeah, pretty much a New York City reboot, thankfully, because, God, you saw what happened there. But it's been okay. It has. It's had its ups and its downs, and I see the potential in some of the newbies, like a Kelly or an Angela Oakley. Brit, like, I. And I'm not like, a teen twirl or anything like that. And it has nothing to do with. I just feel like even this week's episode is just sort of like, brit, you're so boring. You can't even throw an event. And it's not even funny. You know, there's certain people that can't throw an event because Kenya's been called out for not being able to throw an event or feed her guests.

[Ronnie Karam]

However, it's funny, especially now.

[Kempire]

Well, damn. The thing is, they make it funny. And, yeah, Brit, it's not funny. There's nothing really interesting there. And so for me, she's sort of like, the. The only one that's sort of like, okay, I could do without her. But it's been okay this season. It's been. You know how the kids say mid?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I'm trying to still figure Brit out because she makes a lot of comments on the. Which we'll get into, obviously, but she makes comments like, well, back when my you know, back when my insurance company was launching, I wanted to launch bare naked. I was like, really? Was that your first thought when you were launching an insurance company? Like, which is first. I hope I can get this shapewear and insurance out at the same time. But she went on to say that. What was she saying about that? Bare Naked. She's like, I want to get my thing. Oh, yeah. But now that my insurance license is put on hold. So do you know any information on that? What is with that? Because it seems like it can't be on hold because her OnlyFans pictures were shown or whatever that was.

[Kempire]

I don't. I think she was lying. I think she was being dramatic. I think she was using that as sort of her chess piece to stay on the show. Because everyone has said, why did Kenya get fired and Brit Edie didn't. For the threats that we clearly saw on camera. And it was interesting that they even kept that in there. But I guess maybe legally they had to. But I don't believe Brit when she says that her. Her insurance license was under investigation. We've had quite a few people call into my channel that are in insurance, have had experience or know people in insurance. And, like, that doesn't make sense. We even had Angela Oakley say, that doesn't make sense. Off of a rumor, mind you. Rumor that was on media takeout. This wasn't even everywhere yet. So for her to say that they were investigating her license. I don't believe her. I think.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think today she said it was suspended. I think today she said, now that my. My license is suspended. I'll get to it in my notes later. But I think she said, now that my license is suspended or on hold or. She said something like that. And I was like, well, what else did you do? Because there were rumors that there. That it was. If it was suspended, it was because of shadier activities on her.

[Kempire]

Oh, without a doubt. It had nothing to do with Kenya calling her a hoe or showing old photos of her. Before you even get the license, they're doing a huge background check on you. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Kempire]

I don't believe it had anything to do with what Kenya said or did.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Because I feel like everybody. Well, not everybody. A lot of people have an OnlyFans. I was gonna say, that's always been my dreams. Yeah. I wish. Oh, my God. I wish if I ever did a bishop in my life. I do. Yeah. I mean, why not? You know, it's not like they can see you, but I don't have to see them. So what do I care? I mean, I would do it. If I had the. If I had the gifts, I would do it.

[Kempire]

Okay, what are the gifts? Cause. And anyone can do an OnlyFans.

[Ronnie Karam]

You have to be Master Abateable, too.

[Kempire]

Everyone can be. Everyone has people that are interested in them. There's someone and something for everyone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, not enough people to run an empire. You know what I mean?

[Kempire]

Oh, you want an empire?

[Ronnie Karam]

You need more than one. But, yeah, one time. One time I was at a gas station in Hollywood and there was some creepy guy on his back. And I kind of looked up there and he was jerking. Like, he was jerking. I'm sorry, this is so gross. But he was jerking off. You know, Hollywood's a crazy place. And I was like, huh? I was just filling up my gas, like, huh. And then he saw me, and he was jerking off at some lady pumping her gas. He was mortified, of course, and then he saw me just looking at him, and then he covered up. And that's when I was like, you know what? I'm never gonna be able to have an OnlyFans. I can't even get the meth head in Hollywood to jerk off to me. And he's already got his dick out. Wow, it was a rough day. So where do you stand on. So you said you really like Angela, too?

[Kempire]

At first I was like, okay, because I'm not. You know, some. You know, some fans, they. They see someone, they say something really clever.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, die for her. I literally died for her. New icon housewife.

[Kempire]

No, And I. And I feel like that's what they're doing with Angela. I like Angela, though. So far. I feel like Angela would have fit in with the Nene's and, you know, the Phaedras back when. So I like. I like the energy that she's bringing so far. But I do kind of see her being a producer's pet. I do see her being sort of like trying to stir the pot, but at this particular point, they need someone to stir the pot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she'll definitely do the work if they ask her, but she's got enough of her own messy life that I really love to watch. You know, I think it's all so crazy, like, trying to figure out. I mean, Charles, I think, is the classic husband that hates you on these shows that. You know what I mean? They've all. Every show has one that the husband's like, why am I here? Why are the cameras here?

[Kempire]

He's like the grumpy divorce usually.

[Ronnie Karam]

But do you see that? With them at first.

[Kempire]

I will say at first, because I know everyone was like, oh, I don't like the way he speaks to her or treats her. He hates her. At first I was like, oh, I don't see that. Especially when you. In the black community, there are. There are plenty of people, men and husbands like Charles. However, I felt like last week's episode was when they asked. Asked him whether he loved her or not. I felt like, no, that's okay. It's. This is cute. The little bitter and bickering between you. That. That's cute. But clearly she wanted him in this particular moment to show up. And. Yeah, at least say, like, of course I love her. You know what I mean? Yeah, we see that with Bronwyn and the Todd father. And I felt like, he's grumpy and old, too, over there. Yeah, I didn't mind that. I was like, it works for them. But there comes a time when you need that person to show up. It's like, of course I love my person and I like it. Yeah. And everyone, when I said that last week, mind you, they must have missed all the other times. I was like, well, I get where he's coming from. He's just a grumpy old man. He loves her. But last week, I was like, no, these are the moments where you need to step up and say, of course I love her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Kempire]

Like, she shouldn't be begging. She's always uplifting him. Even in this week's episode, she's always highlighting his career. She's like, that is Charles Oakley. Take a drink. Every time she says, that is n NBA legend Charles Oakley. She's always hyping him up, and we just never see that from him even once.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, she's $2 million in debt, though, too.

[Kempire]

Well.

[Ronnie Karam]

If that's coming from the marital funds, you know, he's like, God damn it. But, no, I see what you're saying, and I actually agree with you. And then this week, I actually was back team Charles because I thought it was romantic that he went to that stupid country club eventually. And the only reason he went to that was because, you know, she had a moment after the last one where she's like, okay, like, I get that you're kidding, but it really hurts my fee fees when you're not, you know, like, enough. Like, these people are gonna think that you hate me, you know? So he's like, okay, what do you want me to do? Come to this event. Show me your love. And then he ends up across from Brit at This event. So she's never gonna get that again?

[Kempire]

No, no. And people have said, you know, at least of all the husbands that are currently on this show, he's actually showing up. He's actually being a partner and standing by her. That's all well and good, but I do need him. When it really counts. You're in a confessional, they ask if you love her. You can make a joke. I'm okay with you making a joke. However, at least round it out and say, like, of course I love her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, something. Even with her torn paper blinds that she has in the remodels. Cause I was like, angela. No. Angela. No. Okay, so we opened this episode. Wait, who did we miss there? Kelly. Out of the newbies.

[Kempire]

Oh, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Which I guess we.

[Kempire]

Kelly got into here. I think she would like. I like Kelly for the show, but in real life, I would not want to be around Kelly.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kelly. Kelly's, like, a little too much. I'm glad to hear you say that, because for me, she's a little too much. She's very like, hi. Like, everywhere she goes, it's this, like, hi. Like this one, she comes in dancing, and they're like, hey, bestie. Hey, bestie. And her and Shamia are kind of dancing around. And actually with Shamia, too. I mean, not the loud part, but just the over. Kind of overcompensating. I'm not really sure what it is, but in the past couple episodes, I've been a little like, all right, all right, Shamia, reel it in, reel it in. Shamia.

[Kempire]

I've been saying that about Shamia since episode one. I just feel like she's pretending to know what a housewife is supposed to be. And I think that's part of the reason why people have called her Portia's pet, a lap dog and things like that. Because I don't think she knows how to be. I think she's pretending. And I definitely think that she has the potential to be a great personality. And it would be interesting to see maybe next season if her and Portia aren't, you know, friends, if we will be able to see that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think sometimes people are okay being. I think they're better in certain roles. Like, I think it's okay for her to be in a supporting role. I don't mean she always has to be a friend. Of. Cause this Shamia, I don't even remember from the other seasons. I mean, I remember Shamia being on. Of course, I've watched every episode, but I don't remember her being anything like this. So I was like, where'd this, where'd this version come from?

[Kempire]

Yeah, I think, I think she, I think production were in all of their ears. There were some even in especially in this week's episode. I felt like production was in their ear in regards to like, okay, this is where we need to go. That's why we get. We're getting Phaedra at the end of the season. We're on episode 12 and we're getting Phaedra at this very last hour, a full time housewife. And at the to say that scene with Portia and Phaedra felt so produced and it was like, okay, let's, let's see how the rest of this season goes when it comes to Phaedra and what she will potentially add.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Kempire]

Well, she knew she had to.

[Ronnie Karam]

She knew she had to. Yeah, she's like, I'm going to take them all down. And especially after the married to medicine stint. Yeah, she didn't seem very happy with that one.

[Kempire]

And it was really blame her, wasn't it? Didn't really bring much of anything. That's why I'm not. I'm sort of on the fence of her coming here. I thought she was brilliant on Traders. But on Traders you don't have to share your life. You don't have to have some sort of storyline. You can just be funny, witty and play a game. But I felt like on Married to Medicine it was sort of performative and look, she's performing for us since she showed up on how many seasons ago on R.O. of Atlanta. So I feel like even in this one, we're going to get this fake phony relationship that she had on Married to Medicine with Jake. Like, come on, at least make her a friend of. Don't make her full time. Where there is that pressure to actually have some sort of storyline, because that's what it's going to feel like. She's so pretending this entire time. And we found out this. What last week, that Portia is pretending. If we want to get the real Portia, Bravo has to pay her more.

[Ronnie Karam]

What do you think that meant? When Shamia said. Because you're referring to Shamia saying you told when we were together last. I said, I wish you were. I wish we could be like this every time we're together. And you said, bravo doesn't pay me enough for that. What do you think that meant?

[Kempire]

I think it just confirmed for us, for. For some of us that have always already believed that Portia is not that honest. We have quite a few liars this season on Rob's Wise Atlanta.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I mean, well, and Portia, too, this whole time, like, I just can't believe, you know, you think you're going to spend your life with someone. I was like, portia, you were with that man for seven minutes. I could bake a potato in the microwave in the amount of time you were with that man.

[Kempire]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then, well, I think that's eight minutes. Damn it. I'm getting my potato. Microwave.

[Kempire]

Get it right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Get it right. Really bugged that one up now, people.

[Kempire]

Now it's all messed up. Like, Ronnie told me it was seven minutes and it's actually longer. The thing is all hard.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's fucking up people's potato lives.

[Kempire]

Love a good potato.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I didn't know what that meant. I was like, was she being mean about somebody off camera? Were you guys just, like, laughing? Like, were you stoned? Like, you know what I mean?

[Kempire]

Shamia is the one, her closest ally, her friend, her real friend outside of the show said that on camera, told us exactly who Portia is. And the real Portia we have not seen maybe. Maybe her first season, but we have not seen the real Portia. But I felt that way.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I think I've just met so many housewives that I'm just like, they're all like that. I don't think I've met one that is not just like they are on tv. Because even if you're talking to them on the phone or something, they're still like that. They're still obsessing over what this lady said about them. It could be 10 years ago, and they're still like that. That's their thing, you know? So I just can't imagine that Portia is, like, what is she, like, sitting down and reading, like, a really long book? I mean, I just don't see what. You know what I mean? Like, what would be so different about Portia that would be so fake? I just don't. I don't know.

[Kempire]

I couldn't figure it out. I mean, maybe there, again, this is her best friend saying that on camera, which says to me what really is the reality?

[Ronnie Karam]

But that was her best friend who was ready to rip shit up and not be best friends in that scene too. Don't you feel like Shami was kind of coming at that and like, okay, here's our Housewives breakup.

[Kempire]

Well, when you look at.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, I'm finally here.

[Kempire]

When you look at the amount of years that Shamia has rode for Portia and really has been her support, I wouldn't blame her that in this 20th year, she's finally woken up and said, oh, you're not really my friend.

[Ronnie Karam]

Enough. I've had Jennifer Lopez movie enough. Had enough. Okay, so sorry. We're going back to the first scene here. So we get the Shamia and Kelly dancing around like, hey, best friend. Hey, best friend.

[Kempire]

Working.

[Ronnie Karam]

And. Yeah, I don't buy it, but Shamia was saying, yeah, you know, I just coined myself on saying, hey, best friend, because, you know, you never know where you're gonna meet a best friend. And Kelly's really opened up to me. You know, she's gonna show all those layers she's always gonna have her titties at. And then sure enough, they get. Kelly is, like, bouncing her boobs up and down. And then there was a lot of yelling and jumping around.

[Kempire]

And planning a trip. They're going to Grenada.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not the Maldives or Brazil or Brazil or Disneyland.

[Kempire]

I felt like that went on a little too long. I was like, okay, can we just get to it? Just let her know we're going to Grenada. Why are we going down the list of countries right now?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. When she said, we're going to the Caribbean and then made her guess. And Portia, Mia was like, I'm too rich to guess. I mean, she should have just said that. I'm too rich to guess. Okay? Other people point on maps. Okay, I don't need a map. But she tried to guess. I didn't know any of those places either. I didn't know where any of them were. Did you? I'm really stupid.

[Kempire]

It's okay. It's okay. It's not that you're stupid. You just have to start traveling to those places.

[Ronnie Karam]

I still don't think I would know. I went to Italy last year. I wouldn't be able to pick it out on a map. I wouldn't know. I'm not proud of it. I'm just saying I felt for her in that moment. But then when they find out where they're gonna go, Shamia's like, oh, my God, they were just affected by a hurricane. We should be providing some aid and relief. While she's wearing her. They called the aid and relief guy with her, like, DG hat or something. I forget what hat. It was like.

[Kempire]

Yeah, I think it was Gucci.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. I love passing out aid and relief in my Balenciaga. So that sounds fun. And so they're gonna do a group trip. So the noobs are doing the group trip. You excited?

[Kempire]

No, but I'm hopeful because usually this is what will save a season. And based on what Cynthia Bailey has said in recent interviews, this trip has a lot of dynamic shifts when it comes to friendships. People that weren't friends before are friends. People that were friends are not friends. So. And also, I wonder if this is where we see the breakdown of Portia and Shamia's friendship again.

[Ronnie Karam]

And also Kelly and Britt. Right, because they break up at some point this season.

[Kempire]

Yeah, but we don't care about that. We're not that interesting.

[Ronnie Karam]

I want to know what turns Kelly to that point because Kelly's been writing pretty hard for that one too, and that can't be the easiest to fight for.

[Kempire]

I already believe it's Brit's fault because the way that Kelly has so supportive of Brit more than anyone. And for that to be the one that you've fallen out with, it's like, I bet it was your fault.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Britt hasn't showed a lot of loyalty so far to whoever is her friend. She'll turn on you for a scene. And they're not even that good.

[Kempire]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Which is the shame. So then we go Portia house hunting with Ms. Diane and Lauren and some other girl. I don't know who it was, though. I didn't write it.

[Kempire]

Oh, the real estate agent.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, no, that was a guy. Well, no, that was the list.

[Kempire]

It was the listing agent. And then it was Porsche's real estate agent.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I see, I see.

[Kempire]

Who's what? How much is this place? And I love property, so I really love this scene.

[Ronnie Karam]

This was a good property. Yeah, this was a good one, right? I feel like a lot of the houses we see on Housewives are over the top. Like, mansion Y. And this one was good. I thought this one was good. Yeah.

[Kempire]

4.2.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's also a wig room. 4.2. God damn. In Atlanta.

[Kempire]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's a lot of money. So they go check out this house, and of course, the doofy real estate guy's like, oh, wig room. I could use one of them wigs. Like, please leave, sir.

[Kempire]

He just wants me to buy it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Your scene is done here, sir. So they start talking about her relationship with Simon and how she really thought this was a forever one. Guys, what'd you feel when you. When you first saw the Simon and Portia relationship?

[Kempire]

To this day, I don't believe it. I've said countless times, even if they were having sex in front of me, I sound like. I don't. I don't believe it. You would do anything for a storyline. I don't believe it. Till this day, I say, how are you attracted to Simon? Portia. But maybe she was attracted to the lifestyle. Everyone gets married for different reasons, and I think she really wanted a lifestyle. Like, she's even almost this season convincing me that she is interested in Simon sexually. But. Oh, God, even I'm gonna throw up a little bit.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know. But my. My tolerance has been lowered because I've been watching Love Hotel.

[Kempire]

Oh. Oh, God.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can. I can imagine a lot grosser things. Have you been watching that one?

[Kempire]

Here and there. I haven't. I haven't seen, what, the last two.

[Ronnie Karam]

Episodes, But Ashley's picker is something else. She just got this hot young guy, and she's like, but I really want the old white guy. I was like, that man is five steps away from pooping his pants.

[Kempire]

That guy has five months, mind you. Literally. She's with Josh Harlow now filming. So I feel like. I think that's my problem with love hotels. I feel like all of them are there, except Shannon are there just for the check and for the moment to be on television. I don't think any of them are interested in these guys like that. Maybe Luann. Luann. Well, not interested in Luanna. Just wants to screw them all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Luana.

[Kempire]

Yeah, I'm fine with that. Very interesting on it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So why haven't you made out with me yet? What's your problem? They brought you back. You. You got Kicked off because you never made out with me. What about that? And he's like, really? Just. All right, so I'm here right now. What are you gonna do? He's like, really? She goes, oh, God, I'm going to the bathroom. This guy won't even make out with me. And just leaves the guy. Luann knows Luann stands on business.

[Kempire]

She's the best part of that show. And I have to say, I enjoy Giselle's commentary. But Giselle's not really there to find love.

[Ronnie Karam]

Giselle's not on this earth to find love. Some of us just weren't put here for that. Giselle was put on this earth to judge your love. I'm a Virgo, so I'm speaking as a. She went on her Virgo. Yes. I've never understood Giselle better than this season, you or myself.

[Kempire]

I didn't get Virgo from you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Really?

[Kempire]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Love hotel's giving me so much.

[Kempire]

Really?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it really is. I'm like, wow, Giselle just read.

[Kempire]

It's a nice, easy watch. I will say that. I, I, I hate it, but it's a nice, easy watch. I, I do think that casting Ashley with these group of women felt it feels a little awkward. I know she likes an older man, but it feels like Ashley shouldn't be on this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cast it.

[Kempire]

They could have used someone else.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Ashley. Ashley's been. I think Ashley's pretty cute on the show, for sure. But she's, I mean, she's Ashley, you know, she's just gonna make wrong decisions. And then she keeps saying things like, well, you know, I like a daddy. And then they'll put a side by side of old man Ralph next to the Gollum Michael. And it's like, oh, no, gosh, no, Ashley, no, don't do it. Doesn't Beavis have a job? The guy she's dating now? Yeah. Okay, so they go look at the house, and Portia goes on about her and Simon, and she just can't believe it. But she's more set up this time than she was with Cordell. And then we see her relationship with Cordell, at least from her end, where she's like, I can't believe Cordell really let me come on this trip. I'm so proud of him. I'm so proud of him for letting me come. Whatever happened with Cordell?

[Kempire]

He's still around, around town.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did he remarry or.

[Kempire]

I don't think so. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

I need an update on Cordell.

[Kempire]

I don't think he's remarried.

[Ronnie Karam]

What's his last name?

[Kempire]

Stuart Cordell Stewart. I interviewed Portia years ago when she was still Portia Stewart and likable.

[Ronnie Karam]

You don't like Portia now?

[Kempire]

No, I like Portia. She blocked me, so we're beefing right now. She blocked me and unblocked me.

[Ronnie Karam]

What did you say? You're so sweet.

[Kempire]

I don't know. I don't know what I said. She doesn't like to be held accountable.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah. Well, they don't listen to this, so that's good. Most of them don't. We're too long for people to listen to, so we don't get blocked as much as we should. For sure. Cordell co hosts the daily program no Huddle on Tune in with Brian Weber. Okay, I'm going to put Cordell Stewart wife. Let's see. Portia Williams last wife.

[Kempire]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Damn. So Portia. Portia ruined that man for other women. She was just too good. She cooked too well. Cause she's like, I told him I would cook for him. And the flashbacks.

[Kempire]

I'm actually surprised he didn't get remarried. You're right. It's been so long.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Kempire]

And I think Portia will get married again after she divorces Simon.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So she says she's taking care of herself now, which I think means she's got some money coming to her through this guy. Because they're like, well, you know Portia, even though you might not need this house, it's still good to look. And she's like, yeah, but I got myself set up better. How much could you have set yourself up with if you're only with somebody for a couple of years straight? People have it so easy.

[Kempire]

Well, she did. You know what? I will agree with her in this episode. She was smarter this time around. Because based off. And this is why Simon's trying to fight the prenup, based off her prenup, she's got some cash coming to her and half of the equity of this $7 million home. So she did do the right thing in regards to setting herself up when it comes to Simon. But he's fighting it.

[Ronnie Karam]

It.

[Kempire]

Now he's detained by ice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, now he's detained. And then wasn't that house in foreclosure or something? She mentioned that the house was in foreclosure. So how much equity is in there?

[Kempire]

That and that. And that's the part I was wondering. I was like, okay, so how much money you're going to actually get? But at least she won't be because Remember, she never sold her other house? The house that she moved in after Cordell.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, she sold that place.

[Kempire]

She gave it to her mom.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's where they miss Diane. Yeah.

[Kempire]

So.

[Ronnie Karam]

God, no wonder Ms. Diane's always so happy. God damn.

[Kempire]

Always happy with a pepperoni pizza.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. He's like that woman ate a pepperoni pizza in my bed. Was it in his bed or her couch?

[Kempire]

Somewhere that was white? And he was just like. You would get grease on my.

[Ronnie Karam]

The pepperoni pizza that broke him out.

[Kempire]

I need to know what happened between Ms. Diane and Shamia's mother.

[Ronnie Karam]

I read some stuff on Reddit. You want me to.

[Kempire]

Yeah, there's some rumors I founded Gossip. Yeah. Like daycare drama. But everyone in my community says no, they think it's a man. I was like, y' all just want the mess. It might be just about business. It's not about.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everybody wants it to be a man. You know, I find that's like every argument. It's like she's jealous of his man. You know what I would be more jealous of? The money. So apparently they. Well, you've heard this. But for whoever hasn't heard this, by the way, this is not news. I just read it on Reddit, so who knows if it's true, but apparently they both were daycare owners and they were both friends with each other. And then Ms. Diane had a problem with one of her daycares where she couldn't pay for it or something. Financial trouble. Yeah. And so she said, well, they're probably going to foreclose. I just hope that whoever gets this won't turn this into a daycare because it's going to compete with my other daycares. And then sure enough, they foreclosed and she bought it. She went. The. Shamia's mom went and bought it and turned it into a daycare. John, John, John.

[Kempire]

I hope that we get the truth in regards. I hope Andy. And when they go to the reunion, because Shamia when. When they brought it up, Shamir refused to talk about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

It.

[Kempire]

But if that is true, let's say it is true. Whose side are you on based off of that? If that. That is the fact. That's what Shamia's mom did.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I mean, it's legal to go by the. It's, you know, that's your best friend. Well, yeah, it's legal, but yeah, you shouldn't do that to your best friend. Didn't Shamia buy Kim Zolciak's foreclosed on house? I mean, I know they're not friends. I would assume they're not friends. But wasn't that the rumor that Shamia's husband bought Kim Zolciak's house? This current house, the one she got foreclosed on?

[Kempire]

Oh, I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

By Kim Zo Siak.

[Kempire]

I mean, if you're trying to buy property, they're not close. So if you're. If you're buying property and it's like you're getting a good deal, I mean, it. It's actually good. Smart sense. Because they got a steal if he bought it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, okay. Well, no, it's not confirmed whether Shamia actually bought Kim Zolciak's house. While there was a rumor circulating on Instagram that her husband Gerald bought Kim's auction house for 2.7, an Instagram post suggests. This is not confir.

[Kempire]

Nothing tonight is confirmed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Nothing. This is a non news show. Yes, this is a show. If you just don't give a crap about the truth. Just come. We'll help.

[Kempire]

Rumors, mess.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, rumors and mess.

[Kempire]

We're gonna believe it's true. She bought the house and she kicked them out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wouldn't that be amazing, though? I would love it now that I could get behind. But a daycare, that's a hard job. Anyway, get rid of all those rats. Like buy a nail salon or something. Something.

[Kempire]

Oh. Oh, my gosh. Oh, Lord. I have a story about. It's so funny that you. You brought up nail salon and rats because literally a nail salon that I go to here in New York City for years, I won't be going anymore because literally my last experience of getting a manicure, pedicure. Luckily, I was almost completely done. And I hear, I hear my guy, because he's giving me a massage at the end and he makes a funny sound. I was like, did he hurt himself on my back? What's going on right now?

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow, those push ups have really been working.

[Kempire]

Yeah. I was like, what's going on? And then I open my eyes and there's a big old rat running around this nail salon.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, well, you just need to watch rat tatooey. Suddenly they're very cute.

[Kempire]

No, this is the first time I'm even talking about this story. But as soon as you said nail salon and rat, I said trauma.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Kempire]

Here comes one right now.

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[Ronnie Karam]

But you got the massage finished, didn't you?

[Kempire]

Of course.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's a New Yorker, right? New York. You're like, this is disgusting. And you will finish my massage. We were like two minutes. We were almost done. Those rats are getting bigger in the city. I swear, ever since I moved away from every time I go back and see a rat, they're like little dogs now.

[Kempire]

Yeah, no, they're big. That sucker was big too.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're big enough for Kelly to be dazzle. Okay, so let's go. Speaking of, Kelly is getting her little rat dog. It's not a rat dog. That's not nice to say. She has a cute dog.

[Kempire]

It's true, though. No, it's not.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it could be. You know, it's like nature versus nature done this to that dog.

[Kempire]

The dog was cute before you saw the old picture. It's. The dog was cute before she made that dog look mangy.

[Ronnie Karam]

That dog does look kind of mangy.

[Kempire]

It's almost abusive. I want to call beat ups.

[Ronnie Karam]

It should be abusive because, like, what if it gets too close to an electrical outlet or something? You know, like Dogs rub their butts on the. Everything, you know, the wall or whatever. Like, what if it's scratching its butt and it gets electrocuted on one of those little bedazzled things on it? You can't see it.

[Kempire]

Or the eyelashes. Gets in its eye.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And the hairdresser for the dog. The dog's hairdresser. Well, the facial massage therapist for the dog. Girl, don't you go pay your rent? Go pay your waffle rent.

[Kempire]

Do you know she's thrown, like, five events already this season? Yeah, she's. That's the one thing I have to appreciate about it. Like, she's very festive, she's very lively. I think she has potential. But I do think there's something a little funny when it comes to, like, okay, like, where's this money coming from? It can't be waffles.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's not paying the waffle rent. Well, she was saying earlier that she had to pay her lawyers 100. Well, was it her lawyer? Who's Bobby? Is that her lawyer or is what's.

[Kempire]

Yeah, because her husband name's Mark.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, okay. Because she said I had to pay Bobby 150 grand. And I was like, who has to pay their. Okay, so it was her lawyer. Yeah. But, yeah, she does throw a lot of events, but she also does a lot to that dog. So I'm not really sure how I feel. She said it was all, like, vegan and cruelty free, but I'm not like.

[Kempire]

Oh, damn, I feel bad.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just a poor dog. Yeah, poor dog. And also, it has to stand on that mat all the time, like it can't go into the grass.

[Kempire]

And my thing is, she said the reason was because they tried to steal the dog. Then. Chip the dog.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Chip the dog. Don't make it so ugly that no one will steal it. What are you doing?

[Kempire]

Okay. It doesn't make any sense.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go, oh. And so, yeah, the face technician messed up the dog's eyelashes. He's like, well, one of them's missing. They're repositioned. He said, so fired. So then we go on that it's for free. Oh, that you think he threw in the dog? Face massage.

[Kempire]

I think the dog was just there. I don't think that was a part of the services. Do they provide services like that at the same place you get your massage?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know. I'm in la. And weren't they. Maybe it was like a traveling service or something. There were like, three people there. That's a Lot of people to service you anyway.

[Kempire]

Yeah, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry, I have a shoulder. We're talking about massages. We're talking about the medallion.

[Kempire]

Looking at the mangy dog, you're going to itch. I understand.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, so now we go to Shamia going onto the radio. Shamia comes twerking into the radio always, and she's like, yeah, so. Oh, my God, guys, to be here now as an artist is amazing. And Big Tigger is like, yeah, well, another housewife came in here with her single. And then Shamia spends the rest of what we see of this interview dissing on Drew.

[Kempire]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

What did you think?

[Kempire]

A couple of things. First of all, there was drama between Big Tigga and Shamia at one particular point. At least that's what the Streets were saying because Shamia used to be on that same radio station. They were supposed to have, like, this whole radio show. And there was drama when they decided to get rid of Shamia. And I believe it was Ms. Pat at the time. I could be making this up, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm pretty sure Shamia Morton and Ms. Pat, aka Shamia, were both hosts on D103.

[Kempire]

So. Yeah. So I'm not making this up. So I thought it was interesting to see that dynamic between Big Tigga and Shamia because the word on street is that he was the one that got them fired. But anyway.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh. It says they were part of the morning show for two years before being replaced by Jazzy McBee. Ms. Pat and Shamia were reportedly fired, which they claim was unexpected and due to jealousy and male ego.

[Kempire]

Look at you. This is real journalism right here.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is some Barbara Walters shit, right? Yes. Yes. Big Tigger RIP Big Tigger seemingly responded by highlighting improved ratings since Jazzy McBee joined the show. Oh, wow. So Shamia went in there and had to deal with Jazzy McBee and him at the same time.

[Kempire]

Your replacement.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, so she went in and she started going off on Drew and saying, you know, I've never heard that. That song on this station. I've never heard somebody like me on this station. And then she sings a parody of the song. You've never had booze like me.

[Kempire]

I don't get. Look, I get it, because there's that scene that they keep showing the last couple of episodes where Kelly and Drew and Angela are talking about Shamia being a lap dog. But this is not the first time this season that Shamia has made some digs about true singing. And I'm just like, if Drew was like, a Luann. Countess. Luann Then I'd be like, okay, I get it. But Drew can sing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Drew's decent. Her album did well.

[Kempire]

Yeah, it's. It's a good. It's a good project. I just don't get the constant digs from Shamia. It's giving press. It's giving. Jealous. I'm like, why? I think Shamia is also really talented and sounds good, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, her best song so far has been the Itsy Bitsy Spider.

[Kempire]

She did that country parody for the Nashville trip.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Has her music come out?

[Kempire]

Well, she has a single out. Never had. You know, she sings it every time she can on the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so it came out. How did it do?

[Kempire]

I don't know. I mean, a lot of times these Housewives singles don't necessarily do tremendously well.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that's why I was kind of curious. Not curious, but I was kind of surprised that she was going so hard for Drew on a radio show. Because, like, I get that. That's. If you're. You're a real housewife, right? So you're supposed to go on there and be shady or whatever. Everybody does that. So that was nothing crazy, but the fact that you're there to talk about your art and to start with, I'm an artist and then go into Housewives so fast, I thought wasn't a good move.

[Kempire]

No, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Musically.

[Kempire]

It feels desperate. Let me do whatever I can do to promote this music. But she's always wanted to be an artist, and she's very talented. But what I've. What I've discovered over this last season is that I understand now exactly why Shamia never made it as a solo artist or in that group. And she. She just doesn't in. I think because she's sort of played the side position for so long, she doesn't give star. Even though when she first came on episode one, everyone was like, oh, she's the clue. We should have.

[Ronnie Karam]

She should have.

[Kempire]

And now everyone's shifted.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel like right now you're Simon Cowell. On the season when Melinda Doolittle was on. Oh, is that. Her name was American Idol, and she was like a famous backup singer. And he's like, I'm sorry, but back to the tambourine. He'd be like, you're not holding a tambourine right now, Ms. Doolittle. Spotlight on you.

[Kempire]

You really take it. Only people of a particular age remember Melinda Doolittle. That season of American Idol. You're really taking us back. Because I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember Melinda. Where is Melinda?

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it was Melinda D. Little was.

[Kempire]

No, you're right. I think that's the name. That is definitely the name. As soon as you said that, I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Always felt so bad for her because she's. She would come out and sing her ass off and just be amazing. And they'd be like, no.

[Kempire]

And she was such a back to.

[Ronnie Karam]

The chorus loser, Simon. Because that was back when American Idol was mean. Now they're really nice on American Idol. Oh, my God. Let's talk about your trauma. And then they have five minutes, and they're like, well, I was run over by a dog on a train. And then I discovered my passion for singing when I was in a box in front of a Ralph. So I'm like, oh, for Christ's sake, sing your song. This is back when they were.

[Kempire]

They just had their first black male winner. I was like, really?

[Ronnie Karam]

That's crazy. Is that true? Well, no.

[Kempire]

Didn't Reuben win?

[Ronnie Karam]

Ruben's second. Clay Aiken won. Oh, wait, no.

[Kempire]

No one knows. That season. Wasn't it Ruben that won?

[Ronnie Karam]

Ruben stuttered. So where were American Idol?

[Kempire]

No facts here, y' all. No facts.

[Ronnie Karam]

I told you, don't ever come here for facts. He did win. Clay Aiken came in.

[Kempire]

He was, like, the first male performer to win. Black male performer to win. Maybe this new era of American Idol. That's what they were referring to. Because I thought immediately, I thought to myself, wait, but no. Reuben Studdard won.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Ruben Studdard was the first. Jamal Roberts becomes the second black man to an American Idol. Msn. So, yeah, maybe it's like the Katy Perry era. Decade. The Katy Perry era of am. I'd. As no one calls it. Okay, so Shamia does her radio thing, and she's like, I sing about authentic things that happen in my life. Ear infections. This was about my trip to the doctor of Abner. She's talking about how Drew's fake. And I guess she has a lyric when someone says, I got five languages I can speak. You don't speak five languages.

[Kempire]

I'm off with it. I remember when she said that in. I guess when she did the interview, it was all around town. So it was sort of promoting the new season before the new season even happened. Like, oh, what happened between Drew and. And Shamia? But I. I felt like, again, I get it. At this particular point, she's mad about being called a lap dog. But don't come for Drew's music, because it'd be understandable if Drew's music and her voice were bad, then it Would land. It's just giving. Desperate. It's. It's definitely giving. Lap dog.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And I agree with you, and I think that what bugs me about it, because here's what's bugging me about Shamia in general is Shamia doesn't bug me. Like, I like Shamia, so I'm rooting for Shamia. So when she came on, I was like, yeah, Shamia. And she was so funny, and she has this huge house and she's rich as hell. And so when she stoops low, I just. In that. When she's talking about music and stoops low and doesn't concentrate on her music, it's not defending Drew. I'm just like, you need to be better than this for your. You need to be better than this for yourself. You know what I mean? It's not that I care about Drew's lying ass because I. I really like Drew on the show, but I. Everyone's obviously right about what they're saying about Drew. Lies a lot, don't you think?

[Kempire]

Here's the. She definitely lies a lot, but we have a lot of liars this season, again on this show. A lot of liars. But a lot of people compare what Drew lies about versus what Mia Thoron might lie about to be two different things. And I agree. She lies about the simplest, funniest things. But I have to say, outside of her marriage storyline, I've actually enjoyed Drew this season.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, I like. I think part of Drew's charm is that she's a liar and she's completely delusional. I think that's what's funny about her, in a way. Whereas Mia just. Mia just went crazy with that. And she's still trying so hard to get on Atlanta too, which is so embarrassing. I'm so embarrassed for. Cause they're not going to do it, right?

[Kempire]

Right? I don't think so. And I think they. That Mia, I think she just came out maybe. Apparently they're talking about her during the filming of Ral Wise of Pomic, and she had to put out that statement. I was like, okay, Mia, no one cares. Go somewhere and stay there quiet for a hot second.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she can't do it. And she's like hashtagging things. Rhoa. She's like, oh, wait, maybe I'll see you in Atlanta. Like, no, you're not going to see them in Atlanta. Stop acting like that and please make your Instagram post shorter. She's like, Bronwyn from Salt Lake City. I don't have 10 minutes to read your tiny print on your picture, ma' am.

[Kempire]

And the funny thing is, is that luckily for Mia, the network will never come out and say, we did not renew her contract. She was fired. They will never come out and say that. So these housewives can go on social media and pretend like they could potentially be on another show within the network when clearly the network's like, yeah, we're not working with Mia. Mia, never again.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. No, no. She had. She burned so brightly so fast. Yeah, she's a candle in the wind.

[Kempire]

That's a perfect way of describing Mia because there was a point where Mia was actually interesting and fun and she was a great addition. And then it just went left really quickly. And I think, yeah, that whole ink.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that whole ink. And her husband's story was.

[Kempire]

Yeah. And using your kids like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Kempire]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

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