#2863 Crappy Hour 5/26/2025: Bravo Headline News with Guest Danny Pellegrino

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens Episode #2863 - Crappy Hour 5/26/2025: Bravo Headline News with Guest Danny Pellegrino

Release Date: May 28, 2025

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Introduction

In episode #2863 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve deep into the tumultuous world of Bravo TV, providing their unfiltered takes on the latest happenings within the network's most talked-about shows. Joining them for this episode is special guest Danny Pellegrino, known for his insightful analysis on reality TV through the Everything Iconic podcast. Together, they navigate through the highs and lows of Bravo's programming, offering both praise and criticism with their signature humor and honesty.

Guest Introduction

Ronnie Karam: "I'm Ronnie, and today, the very special, gorgeous, about to Be Daddy for the first time guest Daddy Pellegrino." [03:53]

Danny Pellegrino joins the hosts to discuss his experiences with Bravo's reality shows, his upcoming projects, and his personal journey into fatherhood. Their chemistry is evident as they reminisce about previous interactions and set the stage for a lively discussion.

Current State of Bravo TV

The Valley

Danny expresses his enthusiasm for The Valley, highlighting it as a season filled with engaging drama and unpredictable twists.

Danny Pellegrino: "I came into the season being like, this is going to be the best season of TV, I think it's been so good, so chaotic." [10:28]

However, he also notes feedback from his audience who find the cast "too unlikable."

Danny Pellegrino: "I'm finding... I'm hearing from so many people who listen to my show or watch these shows who find the cast just too unlikable." [10:28]

Ronnie shares her perspective, reveling in the chaos as it provides ample material for their rants.

Ronnie Karam: "I love feeling anger and rage. That's like my love language. And so when I can go raging and just start screaming at people and calling them stupid, I love that." [11:08]

Editing Practices and Interviews

A significant portion of their discussion centers around Bravo's editing practices, especially concerning interviews with cast members.

Ronnie Karam: "Bravo needs to stop with the... They give you this page of shit to go edit out of the interview. And it's like, that's all the good stuff, you know, why would I want to interview people from Bravo if you're going to cut everything good?" [13:05]

Danny echoes these frustrations, highlighting how Bravo's interference often leads to missed storylines and compromised content quality.

Danny Pellegrino: "So I either tell them, like, I'm not going to edit them at all, or I don't want to do it. Like, it's not fun." [13:44]

Focus on Specific Shows

Summer House

Danny criticizes the focus on the relationship between Lexi and Jesse, feeling that other cast members lacked compelling storylines.

Danny Pellegrino: "I find it just like a 20 something, three week relationship that they are trying to make into a bigger thing than it is." [18:38]

Ronnie shares a similar sentiment, questioning the authenticity of the relationship's portrayal.

Ronnie Karam: "I just don't see it. I guess she would like the other ladies being like, oh, yeah, Erica hooked up with some young, you know, allegedly hot person." [37:07]

Real Housewives of Miami

Ronnie praises Real Housewives of Miami for its aspirational and glamorous portrayal, contrasting it with other franchises.

Ronnie Karam: "She's insane... She's got severe issues, but I love that she's on the show." [26:32]

Danny discusses the show's balance of likable and chaotic cast members, appreciating its vibrant presentation despite low ratings.

Danny Pellegrino: "I think Miami is also very aspirational in the way that like. Like, I think it looks really rich on camera." [20:27]

Discussion on Cast Members

Ramona Singer's Political Aspirations

A hot topic is Ramona Singer's potential entry into politics, which both hosts find concerning.

Danny Pellegrino: "Unfortunately, I do think this could be true. And I don't... I'm not happy to say that, but I do believe that it could be possible." [45:49]

Ronnie humorously speculates on Ramona's possible debate strategies.

Ronnie Karam: "That would be her debate argument. They'd be like, ma'am, I think you are out of line. Oh yeah, you know What? I look young. You look old." [46:19]

Sonja Morgan's Antics

Sonja Morgan's latest antics continue to be a point of contention, with Ronnie expressing both frustration and begrudging admiration.

Ronnie Karam: "Sonja is just gonna go out into the middle of the ocean on some stolen yacht and sink... She's still kicking, demanding free shit wherever she goes." [49:14]

Danny concurs, reflecting on Sonja's unpredictable behavior.

Danny Pellegrino: "It's like a little too far for me." [52:00]

Bravo Headline News

The hosts transition into discussing recent headlines surrounding Bravo stars, including Katie, Janela, and the dynamics of various Real Housewives franchises.

Katie Jenela's Controversies

Katie Jenela's recent altercations with Emily Simpson and Gretchen Rossi are dissected, with Ronnie expressing disdain for their alliances.

Ronnie Karam: "Emily Simpson and Gretchen Rossi teaming up. Vile. No New hip. New hip. And Gretchen, no help." [31:04]

Erika Jayne and Jesse Solomon Rumors

The duo's alleged hookup sparks skepticism among the hosts about the authenticity of their relationship.

Ronnie Karam: "But does she want Jesse as a storyline? I just don't see that." [37:52]

Danny Pellegrino: "I think it's crazy... and I wonder if they actually hook up for the right reasons or if it's just, like, angling for storylines." [36:46]

Prospective Spin-offs and Franchise Decisions

Speculations about Dolores Catania joining Real Housewives of Rhode Island and the future of Real Housewives of Jersey are explored.

Ronnie Karam: "I think they're insane for what they're doing. Jersey's always been toxic." [55:29]

Danny Pellegrino: "I think they need to keep some anchors... like Dolores." [59:27]

Listener Engagement and Q&A

Towards the end of the episode, Ronnie and Danny invite listeners to engage through questions, hinting at interactive segments in future episodes.

Ronnie Karam: "If you want to join on video every other Monday, 5:30pm Pacific Time and we'll leave a link in the comments." [60:45]

Conclusion

Watch What Crappens wraps up the episode with a candid reflection on the complexities of Bravo TV, the challenges of content editing, and the ever-evolving landscape of reality television. Ronnie and Danny reaffirm their dedication to providing honest and entertaining commentary, promising more insightful discussions in upcoming episodes.

Danny Pellegrino: "It's too hard and no one wants to watch the full reboot. I can't do it." [57:44]

Ronnie Karam: "We love you guys. We'll talk to you next time." [61:17]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ronnie Karam: "I love feeling anger and rage. That's like my love language." [11:08]

• Danny Pellegrino: "I'm finding... people find the cast just too unlikable." [10:28]

• Ronnie Karam: "Bravo needs to stop with the... copping their PR people running free." [13:05]

• Danny Pellegrino: "I either tell them, I'm not going to edit them at all, or I don't want to do it." [13:44]

• Ronnie Karam: "Gretchen's back... it'll be interesting to see how she's... changed her politics." [31:41]

• Danny Pellegrino: "I don't like when people try to decide like, 'Oh, they're not coming.'" [32:47]

• Ronnie Karam: "She's too much of a mess... pooping herself on purpose." [52:02]

• Danny Pellegrino: "I don't like when cast members don't go on the cast trip." [32:47]

• Ronnie Karam: "Busking Violet Coutar... we love you guys." [63:12]

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Key Takeaways

• Bravo's Editing Practices: Both hosts critique Bravo's tendency to edit out "good stuff" from interviews, arguing it diminishes the authenticity and quality of the content.

• Show Dynamics: There is a consensus that certain shows like The Valley and Real Housewives of Miami offer more engaging and aspirational content compared to others plagued by toxic dynamics.

• Cast Member Behavior: Ongoing antics and controversies of cast members like Sonja Morgan and Katie Jenela continue to fuel discussions and shape perceptions of Bravo's offerings.

• Future of Bravo Franchises: Speculations about spin-offs and the sustainability of current franchises highlight the evolving strategy of Bravo in maintaining viewer interest.

• Listener Interaction: The hosts actively encourage listener participation, indicating a community-driven approach to their podcast.

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For those who haven't tuned into this episode, Watch What Crappens offers a comprehensive and entertaining exploration of Bravo's reality TV landscape, enriched by honest opinions and insider insights from industry guests like Danny Pellegrino. Whether you're a die-hard fan or a casual observer, this episode provides valuable perspectives on the ever-entertaining world of Bravo.

Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Danny Pellegrino]

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[Danny Pellegrino]

Who.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cares what happens when there's so much.

[Danny Pellegrino]

That happens?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello and welcome to Crappy Hour. I'm Ronnie, and today, the very special, gorgeous, about to Be Daddy for the first time guest Daddy Pellegrino.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Hi, Riley.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hello, Danny from the Everything Iconic podcast.

[Danny Pellegrino]

So good to see you. We have so much to chat about.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. It's so good to see you. And I had Amy Phillips on here earlier, and we were talking about how we only see each other if we do this.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I know. I feel that way with a lot of our. I mean, a lot of you guys. It's like, we, of course I love everyone, but it's, like, hard to see everyone. And you and I were just talking before we started recording. We live so close to each other.

[Ronnie Karam]

We live right by each other.

[Danny Pellegrino]

We have to get together, but it is hard. And I feel like once you get in sort of the habit of. Of hanging out on a podcast recording, it's like every time you do hang out, you're like, wait, should we be recording this? Or, like, should we just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ben and I. Do we all whip out our phone in a 7 11? We don't care. Yeah, yeah, we'll whip it out everywhere. But also, it's weird because I'm used to seeing you like this, and in real life, we'd probably just be like, hey, what do you. What do you like to eat? I don't care. What do you like to eat?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Well, and all of the Bravo nonsense, like, gives us something to chat about, too. It's like, you know, we have plenty to talk about with the world of Bravo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I don't have real life stuff. So what's your. What's. Tell me about the baby. Are you so excited, Daddy? Soon is Matt excited. Do you have a little baby sound machine for the baby to play with? Like, what's happening?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Okay, well, the sound machine. It's funny you bring that up because I feel like everything now has a sound machine, like, attached to it. Like, so we have, like, a separate sound machine. Then it feels like everything makes the sound. And then also, like, I was kind of thinking, like, well, can't you just. You can, like, pull it up on Spotify or whatever if you need, like, specific sounds too.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's true.

[Danny Pellegrino]

So we're, like, overloaded with sound machines. And then so we have, like, travel ones. We have a main one. But. But yeah, we're Both. Matt and I are both really excited and. And I've been trying to just. I. I've been working a lot to try to get ahead of, you know, with podcasts and other work stuff. Trying to get ahead so that I can take some time and relax a little bit. But I still have a couple weeks. Um, I mean, obviously we can't control when the baby comes, exactly, but we're due in, like, a couple weeks or something, so it'll be very soon. Um, but. And I'm just on edge. My emotions are also, like, all over the place, so it's like, very heightened everything. So I'm either, like, when I'm excitable, I'm like, super excitable. When I'm sad, I'm, like, super sad. So it's just like this roller coaster of emotions, which my therapist does say is normal when you're about to have a baby.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, that therapy is going to go right out the window. Don't you worry you're going to have that baby and you're going to just be tortured by this little fucking thing. That's so cute that you're going to be in prison and you're going to love it.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Will you come babysit? Will you come? Yes. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. We live right by each other. So bring that baby over. I will teach your baby important things. Did you guys know Danny lives? Okay, we live by this little mall, and Danny knows that there's an Erwan there because, you know, he's a healthy, skinny bitch. He did not know there's a Van Leeuwen's ice cream back there. That is a shame. You need somebody to teach your baby the important shit in this neighborhood. How do you not know that?

[Danny Pellegrino]

I know well, but that whole area stresses me out. I can't go there much because it's like this little sort of outdoor shopping area. And for people who don't know, an Erewhon is like, this really insanely overpriced grocery market. And I hate it because there's, like, a hot bar where you can get food, and there's always like, a bunch of people taking, like, influencers taking video there and stuff. Stuff. And so, like, you can't even get the food you want because it's just a lot of influencers taking videos. So I can't even go up that way.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like an Erewhon. I hate those people, too. So that's why you go to the ice cream place, because guess who's not taping in there? Influencers. I'm not going to tape themselves eating ice cream, those kids.

[Danny Pellegrino]

You know, there's a plant shop there, which. This is so weird. There's a plant shop, you know, the one in the corner there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Pellegrino]

There's a bar upstairs at the plant shop.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Those people are full of shit. Have you been up there?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah, I've been. I've only been to the happy hour there. I've never been there for buying plants.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're very snobby there. I'm not paying you $100 for a ficus or whatever. And they won't even call it a ficus. It's like a philodendron. Got a. God, you know, whatever. I'm too trashy for that place. I stick to Van Leeuwen. Van Leeuwen does, like five star dining for me. I'm like, what is $10 ice cream I get there?

[Danny Pellegrino]

What do I like?

[Ronnie Karam]

The chocolate brownie's really good. It's very gooey. And then they have a lot of, you know, like foofy flavors that you try to look like you have some, you know, breeding right. But those are never good.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Stick with the chocolate. Earlier today I was at the Cold Stone because we have a lot of, like those salt and straws out here too, which I don't like a salt and straw because it's so fancy. And like, I, you know, like, I want like a good old fat, you know, I miss a dairy. Yeah, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I hear you. Yeah, salt and straw is very like bacon and gouda.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I don't want that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Fuck off.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Give me ice and cream.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, give me a brownie or a mint chip. Okay, so tell me about your books. Let's get all. What do you have going on? Because you've got books, you've got movies. I saw your holiday film. That was great. I love you bringing in, like the HGTV with the.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

With the Christmas movie. And then what are your books?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah, so I just have my books. I have two books. How do I remember this? And a holiday book called Jolliest Bunch. And then I'm working on my third one, which. Well, we'll be a really long way away, but I'm working on it.

[Ronnie Karam]

It'll have a lot of baby stuff, I would imagine.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah, maybe like some parenting baby stuff. But I'm working on it. And yeah, my other books, they've been. Actually, it's been weird because for some reason Amazon did like a big sale on the books and so they were like, really inexpensive and I think they still are. Like. Like $4 or under $4 or something like that. And so there's been this whole, like, slew of people. The first one, how do I remember this? Came out, like, three years ago or something. And it's been so fascinating because all sorts of new people have picked it up, and it's been really exciting to hear from people. And the jolly sponge, too, which is a Christmas book. It's like a Christmas essay collection. But there's. There's. It's. You could read it any time of the year, but people have been sort of picking them up and it's been fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, good. Yeah, you get a whole new audience when you, like, lower the price. Is that what you're saying? Sales. Yeah, that's where it's at.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And I know it's like, you're not supposed to say. I mean, I know Amazon's kind of a monster, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, network, so we work for the monster, so.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And also, they're sort of, like, losing money on the book because it's like, you know, they. They pay, like, retail for it, but then they market for under retail. So, like, just because it's really.

[Ronnie Karam]

Amazon ain't losing shit. Don't you worry about. I don't worry about Amazon. Amazon, they're the last people I worry about at the end of the day.

[Danny Pellegrino]

But I'm saying that's why I think it's okay to buy the books on Amazon, because it's like, I still get, you know, I get the money for it, but then they lose the money on it. So it's like, you know, you're sticking it to the man a little bit and supporting me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I like that. Rebellion.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Purchase. Well, we also go, but, yes, let's talk about Bravo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but also go to the bookstores. Yeah, yeah. Don't be a horrible person who goes to bookstores just to look at books and then take pictures of the book so you remember to buy it for cheap on your Kindle later. People like that are horrible. And you're all going to hell. And I'll see you there.

[Danny Pellegrino]

We see you.

[Ronnie Karam]

I will see you there. I'll be there with you. I'll be at the hell. Van Leeuwen's in the back. Books are too heavy.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Book.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, that's my complaint about books. So let's go to the state of Bravo before we get into some headlines, because I haven't talked to you for a while, and the state of Bravo has changed quite a bit. The state of the Union. So what are your thoughts? What are your Favorites on right now. What could you do with that?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Okay, so I'm loving the Valley, but one of the things that's interesting to me about the Valley is it is a cast full of villains. And I'm finding. And I want to talk to you about this. Cause I don't know if you're hearing from people the same. I came into the season being like, this is going to be the best season of tv, I think it's been so good, so chaotic. Every episode to me, aside from maybe last week was, like, a little slower than most. But otherwise, I feel like it's just been fantastic reality tv. But I'm hearing from so many people who listen to my show or watch these shows who find the cast just too unlikable. And I like that they're all sort of unlikable. But I'm curious, where do you stand on that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I love feeling anger and rage. That's like my love language. And so when I can go raging and just start screaming at people and calling them stupid, I love that. I feel so good. And so it's good for me in that way. I mean, you've got Janet, who's a monster. All the men on the show. You can yell at all the men. Even Jason acts so innocent. Fuck that guy, too. You know, they're all terrible.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then you've got Janet, who's one of the most terrible. Okay. And these are like rayon villains. You know what I mean?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah. Did you see all that stuff about, like, the. The alcohol thing that they edited out of the show with Janet?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, like the Alanon thing. Yeah.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And then they asked. But the weird thing about it was, so they edited out of the main episode, but then they also had asked her about it on Watch what Happens Live, and then edited that out of Watch what Happens Live. And it's like, well, what is happening there? Like, I don't understand it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bravo, honestly, Bravo needs to stop with the. You know, if you talk to somebody from Bravo, which, you know, you do a lot of interviews, right? So we don't. We'll do maybe one a year or two a year. But every time you do one, they're like, okay, now here's the stuff we want edited out. And they give you this page of shit to go edit out of the interview. And it's like, that's all the good stuff, you know, why would I want to interview people from Bravo if you're going to cut everything good? And why would anybody want to listen to this? Like, you want the messy stuff because they should. The messy stuff. The people share. The messy stuff they don't share. Like the. I love blueberries. Like, they don't want to share that. So why are you bothering to. So they've got some kind of weird disconnect over there. They've got all the PR people kind of running free, and they're not controlling things the way Bravo wants. And I don't know what Bravo thinks it is, but it's not some classy organization that needs to be protected. You're putting out trash. You're putting out glamorous trash that we love. Stop editing it and stop doing all that shit. Why was. Was the Al Anon thing, like, going to ruin somebody's life?

[Danny Pellegrino]

I also don't know if it's. And. And this is. People are probably gonna get mad at me, but I don't know if the blame should be. If people are mad up. When people are mad about that. I understand that. But it's. It shouldn't all be the blame on Janet either, because it's like, there's a whole slew of people with Bravo that it goes through. So, like, anyone that can obviously have a problem with it along the way before it gets to that point. But I started. I sort of stopped doing a lot of the Bravo interviews, too, because it just got to the point where it's like, okay, you're right. You're cutting out all of the juicy stuff, or they're asking you to cut stuff out. So I either tell them, like, I'm not going to edit them at all, or I don't want to do it. Like, it's not fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not fun, and I don't work for you.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And then.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what I mean?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah. And the other thing, I can't take.

[Ronnie Karam]

Notes from people that I don't even see their face. And you don't take notes.

[Danny Pellegrino]

You're not paying me. And then it ultimately always just makes us look bad. Like, that's what I. That's where I sort of drew the line. Because I felt like there would be times where people would say, well, why didn't you ask about that? Or this thing or that thing? And it's like, well, I did ask about it, but then they, you know, threatened to whatever if I didn't edit it out or whatever. So it's like, that's the. That's the thing. And so it just makes me look like a bad interviewer.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, I don't even think the president can go on an interview and then request edits. That's just weird. I've just never heard of that. So, I mean, I have Bravo, but I haven't heard of it from anybody else. So that kind of stuff. I just think that they've got somebody up there clutching their pearls all the time, not wanting to get sued because they've got a lot of stuff going on with the lawsuits and people accusing them of stuff. But don't do that on my time. And you're right, because a lot of what people say is that Bravo gives the most notes out of any network. So whenever they get an episode of something, they send copious amounts of notes. So for those episodes to get through to air, and then for them to be like, oh, no, they said, al Anon. We have to take it out. It's just ridiculous. And it's making all the production people jump through hoops. And the Al Anon thing wasn't great. She shouldn't have been outing that. Janet sucks. Like, I'm not defending the Al Anon thing, but, yeah, I agree with you. If you're going to edit it out, do it before you can't make hey, you do it. Look at hey, you. Hey you is like, no, I'm not taking that out. We are busy. We are in a different time than you. Okay.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And over the years, I've interviewed a lot of other talent from, like, other networks or other celebrities and stuff, and it's like, they. They're never asking to edit things out. It's like, always just the Bravo people.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And, you know, Bravo is, like, pretty good to us for the most part as far as, like, screen, like, they're. They're great. So, you know, as far as, like, bitching about Bravo, it's just that thing, like, the editing thing needs to be. They need to have more balls. As far as just being like, we're a controversial. We thrive on controversy. Housewives is our bread and butter. It's all about fighting, release.

[Danny Pellegrino]

The fights either, like, lean in or lean all the way off. It's like, I don't know. They're always just like, I don't know. It's frustrating. They keep sort of trying to figure out where the line is. And it's like, well, we're how many years into this whole empire, the line.

[Ronnie Karam]

Has been crossed already? Yeah, it's too late. Safeword was said five years ago, and you guys are still going. So the Valley. Yeah, I think it's dark. It pisses me off. But I think it's also still fun and funny for the most part.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And don't you think it's the most fun show to recap, going back to your point where it's, like, fun to rage about something? I have the most fun recapping the Valley or like Salt Lake City Housewives or just, I don't know. I like that. I like when it's messy and whatever. That's when it's fun to talk about.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And there's big characters on them, you know, and so I love, you know, doing like, stupid sketch characters of the people. So the Valley has good impressions and, you know, Salt Lake City, some of them. Let me see what I struggle with. Are you into the below decks and stuff, too? Do you like all of those?

[Danny Pellegrino]

I used to get into the below deck, and I know people love it, but I. It got overwhelming to me when they started just releasing a thousand spinoffs.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's one of those. I really like to recap, but when we're taking off a season because it never ends. It's like day after day, you know, week after week. So sometimes we'll take a season off and I can't watch it because I'm like, why am I watching these people clean? But talking about it is really fun. But I'm like, why am I watching maids fight? You know what I mean?

[Danny Pellegrino]

You do so many shows. You cover so many shows.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. What do you do these days? Do you stick to all the housewives?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Like, you know, right now I'm just doing Valley and finishing up Summer House, and then I'm gonna actually be recapping in just like that coming up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, you are.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Which is fun. So I've already recorded a couple of those with my friend Hannah's joining me, you know, Hannah Brown. So we're gonna be covering that sort of. It'll be like a half paternity leave because I'm able to record them a little early.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And so those are. That's all I'm going to be doing.

[Ronnie Karam]

And how are you liking. Oh, I'm sorry, what are you going to say?

[Danny Pellegrino]

No, but I. And then Housewives, like, I. I haven't been covering Atlanta. I. I did. I. Beverly Hills. But I just kind of pick. I like to pick two shows. I can't do more than two shows. I give them a lot. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And we used to do it where we would do three or four shows in one episode, and then they would be three hour show or two and a half hours. Three, four hours, you know, and then now people still to this day are like, I'm trying to listen to Real Housewives of Orange county season, whatever. And I can't find it. And I'm like, I know we covered the Brooks Cancer season, so now we have to go through and figure out what episode and what timestamp everything is. So yeah, it's keep it simple.

[Danny Pellegrino]

We do our best.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think you do it right. Yeah, we do our best. You're keeping it simple. You're doing it right. Okay, so what's the other one that you cover? Summer House. Okay, so where do you stand on Lexi, Lex, Jaxie?

[Danny Pellegrino]

I'm so tired of Lexi and Jesse. It's like I feel like nobody else had anything going on. I'm going to be Danny Downer for a minute, so I apologize, but I feel like nobody else had anything going on. And so like production and the cast and everything really like leaned into this Lexi Jessie thing. And I find it. I don't know, I don't. I find it just like a 20 something, three week relationship that they are trying to make into a bigger thing than it is. Like production, the cast, everyone. And I think it's largely because there's just no other storylines going on. I mean, Kyle and Amanda didn't really have anything going on. West just sort of was silent the whole season. Paige had the thing with Craig, but that was largely off screen and he came in for a couple episodes. So Gabby was missing for a few episodes. Emeril was edited out of episodes. So it was like, I just think nobody else had anything. And so they really like leaned in hard and tried to make this thing. They presented the Lexi and Jesse thing, even in the editing and the everything as a much bigger thing. And it's exhausting and it just is. Like it was a two, three week relationship. Like, I don't give a fuck.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like I've been there, I guess, where it's nothing and I'm still like. But you can't get me to believe that a model who dated a Beckham cares about Jesse. I just don't believe it. I've never believed it. You heard him sing like, I just don't believe it.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I saw somebody online the other day say that Jesse looks like he has too many teeth for his mouth, which I. And he's got a beautiful smile. But I can't stop thinking about that. Every time I think of Jesse, I'm now just like looking at his teeth. Like I'm focusing on it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Jesse's a teeth man. So what else is on there? Summer House, we said. The Valley, we said. And then that's it. Have you heard anything about the new Vanderpump Rules?

[Danny Pellegrino]

No. I saw some photos from filming, but I haven't heard, like, anything good or bad. You know, it seems to me like Bravo, overall, it's maybe trying to keep a little bit more lock and key over, like, stuff that's filming, which I like. And I don't know if that's what's happening with Vanderpump rules, but I noticed it with, like, the real houses of Orange County. There hasn't been much leaked about what's going on. And Salt Lake City, there hasn't been much leaked about what's going on in Miami, which is upcoming. Did you see the Miami. The Miami.

[Ronnie Karam]

Of course, yes.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Oh, that's one of my favorite ones.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's the most underrated. Housewives.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Totally.

[Ronnie Karam]

That one gets like five people watching it. Like, if you look at the rating, I follow ratings. Bravo on X. I love her or them. I don't know if it's her. I assume it's a her. Cause she has the Meredith blowing in the wind picture as that one back there behind me.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I'm sure there's plenty of men on Twitter with that as their profile picture.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sure. So I don't know if it's a her or not, but in my mind it's Meredith with her wind blowing. I'm talking about ratings. Here's what happened on Atlanta this week. They're down in the socials. Anyway, that one I follow. And I feel so bad for Miami because Miami's like one person. You know, it'll be like, we tracked one person and watching it this week and it was so good.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And I don't understand too, because to me, Miami is also very aspirational in the way that like. Like, I think it looks really rich on camera. It's very colorful. And I. So I don't understand exactly where the disconnect is because I think it's like high drama, a mix of, like, really messy people. But I think you also still have, like, likable people on there. It's like a half and half cast where it's like, you know, very more regular people. And then also crazies, which I love.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Who's regular on that show? I think they're all craz.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Dr. Nicole is. I mean, she's no longer on the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

How long does she last? She lasted two minutes. She was like, bye. I can't. I think at some point she was like, enough. Enough of you crazies. But I'm fairly normal for someone who's out yacht shopping and like a rich normal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And Gertie. Gertie's I think like a rich normal.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gertie's fair. Yeah, Gertie's normal too. Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

[Danny Pellegrino]

They did bring in sort of like a. Kiki's a quirky normal. She's like. I don't know what would that like, you know, that, like that meme or whatever. It's like chaotic good, chaotic evil or what? Like I feel like Kiki's chaotic good.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's good. She's a good one. But the the standbys are all still insane.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah, like Alexia's chaotic evil. Or you know, like we could fit them all in that thing.

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[Ronnie Karam]

And they're actually aspirational in the way that they keep living glamorous lives. And I have no idea how, like, Alexia. How. I mean, I know she got money when the ex died. Or maybe. I mean, I don't even know what's going on. But remember when Todd was like, okay.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Here'S why we rent.

[Ronnie Karam]

I have a statement, you know, and he makes, like, a full statement that he's written down on paper. And I don't know how they. They all seem like fraudsters. And I don't know how they.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And maybe they still are rich. I can't wait to see what's going on with Todd and Alexia. Because they were, like, getting a divorce and then getting. Now they're back together. I think so. And I don't really know. I think the other thing I like about Miami is maybe because I just. If they don't get as much press, like, if in Beverly Hills. I feel like if Kyle makes one move with Morgan, it's, like, all over Page Six and everything. But Miami doesn't quite get that. And so I go into the seasons not really knowing as much. And so even with, like, the Lexi and Todd stuff, I'm like, oh, I'm excited to see what happens there. Because all I know is that they were gonna get divorced and then now are not getting divorced. So I want to say.

[Ronnie Karam]

My guess is. And I have no information, this is just from watching the show. But my guess is she had problems with her kids because Todd was always going against the bratty kid Peter. And so I think she left Todd to show her son that she was gonna stand up for her son, but then stayed with Todd so she could have her cake and eat it, too. That's what I'm guessing. Trying to please Peter, that little fucker. Don't raise your child like she raised Peter. I'm telling you that right now. Don't do it. I'll be there. I'll be there in my little antivan making sure that baby's not being raised by Peter. I'll be like, you will not videotape homeless people while you beat them. Little baby. Let's go to Van Leeuwen's.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Where do you stand on Adrianna?

[Ronnie Karam]

I love Audriana. She's insane.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Me, too.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's got severe issues, but I love that she's on the show. And I think it's very smart that they won't make her full time because she always comes to work to try and get that full time.

[Danny Pellegrino]

All those Miami gals, I do think, work harder than the other franchises. I feel that way about Salt Lake City, too. I think Salt Lake City, they work harder than Beverly Hills. A lot of them work harder than, like, Beverly Hills.

[Ronnie Karam]

Beverly Hills doesn't do shit. Those girls don't work at all. And somehow they still come off. Even the most boring seasons I find entertaining. And I don't really know why, but, yeah, they do put in the work. I met Adrianna at BravoCon. She was sitting on this couch. I was with Ms. Patricia. That was the day I saw you. So I walked from you and went to some green room or whatever and saw Adrianna, and Ms. Patricia was like, who's that? And she's just, like, lounging on this couch, you know, she's got, like, her leg up and she's lounging like it's a chaise lounge, and all the fans are swarming her. And Patricia's like, get me out of here. These people are crazy. They'll crawl all over you, you know? And Adriana's like, no, she's loving it. People are crawling over the couch to ask Adriana questions. And she's like, you. You watch my show? And I said, yeah. And she's like, what do you think, huh? You like it? She's just, like, doing her hair and, like, basking in the compliments. And I thought, you are as crazy in real life, and I love that about you.

[Danny Pellegrino]

They were. I did their panel, the Miami panel last year or whatever the last Bravo Con was. And, yeah, I felt like beforehand they were all, like, coming up to me and being like, well, you need to bring up. Up, you know, this thing, or you need to bring up that thing. And they were all just exactly what I wanted them to be. But also with Ms. Ms. Patricia. I don't know if you were with her, but I, like, sat and had a conversation with her, and I. I love Ms. Patricia. Yeah, we had this whole conversation, and I left thinking, like, oh, we're like, buddies now, you know? And then on Instagram, she, like, posted a photo with somebody else and tagged me on it. And I was like, oh, that's not me. Like, I wrote her. I was like, that's not me. And she's like, what are you talking about? And I was like, you tagged me, and we were there together, but that's not me. And she's like, yes, it is. So I was like, I guess we're not that close.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sounds about right. She told me you should do Botox, and I said, I do do Botox. And she said, you need better Botox. That's not working. Whatever they're telling you they're doing to you, they're not doing well.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Speaking of skincare, I've told this on my show before, but I apologize for repeating my. I used to do a thing on my Instagram called Face Mask Friday where I would put on, like, I would try different face masks. Like, shitty ones, drugstore ones, whatever. And she sent me. She sent me in the mail a bottle of La Mer. Like, a very expensive bottle of La Mer with, like, her personalized stationery. Another reason why I thought we were, like, close friends. But with her stationery, it said, like, don't use those cheap masks or something. Or don't use that cheap skincare product. Like, and then sign Patricia. And I'll never forget. That was the best thing ever.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's pret. All right, let's get into some Bravo headlines, shall we? We were just talking about how we don't hear a lot of things from between the shows, but this is actually an old story. But we didn't get to talk about it last time. Katie. Janela, have you heard any of the stuff going on with Katie G. On Real Housewives of Orange County?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Well, all I've heard is that she's, like, not. She wasn't on the main cast trip at the end of the season.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I saw some Instagram she did where she was. You know where they say, like, katie, the government is what the government calls me. Kate is what my mother calls me. You know those posts?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah. Like those memes or whatever.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, those memes. And then the last one was Liar, what my fellow workmates call me. She was, like, trying to be all badass. I was like, ooh, what happened with Katie? So this rumor from TV deets her job may be in jeopardy after a major altercation with Emily Simpson and Gretchen Rossi. Katie wanted to go on the recent cast trip to Amsterdam, but she was not allowed to. Let's just say her future is not looking bright on OC without saying too much, a major announcement will be coming soon. Here's what bothers me. I don't care that much about Katie. I mean, I liked her, okay? But whatever. Here's what bothers me. Emily Simpson and Gretchen Rossi teaming up. Vile. No New hip. New hip. And Gretchen, no help.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And Gretchen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you do that all the time?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah, and I'm not someone who even needed Gretchen back. Like, I, I don't. I was fine with. I was fine without Gretchen. I don't understand, like, really. I feel like people wanted her back and I'm like, what? I never got.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I didn't. I don't think anybody asked for Gretchen back, but Gretchen's back. I mean, it'll be interesting to see how she's. I was gonna use the word evolved. I'm gonna rescind. Cause I don't think that'll happen. But changed because I think she's become like a big far. Like she's become very extreme in her politics. Let's just say from what I've seen on the Instagram. So it'll be interesting to see how that works out.

[Danny Pellegrino]

All I've seen on the Instagram is like the no no's photos where it's just like they're so heavily built. There's no recognizable features because there's such like a Vaseline over the lens.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she's got this beautiful daughter. I mean, of course she had a beautiful daughter. Gretchen's beautiful. You know, so she had. And Slade's hot. Like, you know, I'm not talking about the inside.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Oh, he thinks Slade's hot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I mean, he's a good looking man. I'm not talking about his insides, but you know, yeah, he's good. He's well featured or whatever. So they had a little, you know, put some good genetics in there and had this little adorable kid. But she's very like child beauty pageant JonBenet, like hair curled and full out in her car seat. And Gretchen's hair is done the same way. So I guess I'm kind of interested on seeing that part.

[Danny Pellegrino]

You know, I don't like in general also on the house with them sort of pushing Katie off the trip. I don't like any time when a cast member doesn't go on the cast trip. Like, I'd rather them go on the cast trip and just argue with everybody than just not go on the cast trip. Like, I don't, I don't like when people try to decide like, oh, they're not coming on my. It's my trip. It's like, no, this is a cast show. We all know that it's not really the person doing the trip. Like it's all pretend. It's the, the production company is planning the trip. So I don't like when it's like somebody comes in and says, well, they're not coming or something. And I don't know how it'll play out. But I don't like that. I want everyone on the cast trip. Whether you all hate each other or not, I need you on the cast.

[Ronnie Karam]

You got you. Especially if you hate each other. Get on the cast trip. How are we supposed to yell at you if you're at home?

[Danny Pellegrino]

And back to Gretchen. I also am curious how Tamra will play it, because Tamra's even savvier than ever, I think, because she's got her podcast now where she analyzes housewives like we do. So I think she's savvier than ever. And I think I'm curious which route she'll take, because I feel like in ordinary circumstances, she would have butted up against Gretchen coming back, but I almost feel like she's going to think, well, that's what they expect of me, so I'm going to buddy up with Gretchen. Does that make sense? And I'm curious which road she'll take.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's in a rough position this season because they're ready to come for her after last season. Cause remember last season in the reunion, how Tamara was quiet the whole time? She's like, yeah, you know, I thought about it, and I'm sorry. Every time they would confront her, she's like, yeah, I thought about it.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I'm so sorry about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she wouldn't fight. And so she knew. Cause they were all. And they all had reason, but they always have reason. They still don't come for her, but last year they did. And so they're gonna get her. They're gonna try and get her this year.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Well, we do know that she quit. I love how I started this whole podcast or whatever off by saying that we don't know anything about Orange county. And now we're talking about it. I'm like, oh, I know everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

But that's all we heard. You know that. You're right. The only two leaks. Well. Cause she, you know, she said it. She went on her Instagram. Sometimes you come to the point where.

[Danny Pellegrino]

You can't take it anymore.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm too good of a person. There's real life stuff happening, guys.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I quit. But it's like. It's like that Kyle Richards quitting, though, where it's like, she did the same thing last season and then come to the episode, and it was like half an episode she wasn't in.

[Ronnie Karam]

And it's like, okay, yeah, well, yeah, Tamara's. Especially Kyle. Oh, my God, Kyle. Kyle's the worst with that. Every season, like, every season two months before starts with Kyle Richards stories popping up all over the place. Is Kyle Richards returning? Kyle Richards can't return. She can't take the behavior from her fellow castmates. And this year, they had us believing it was gonna be a. A whole Kyle takedown. Where was the takedown? I saw no takedown.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I think the show would benefit from Kyle taking a season or two off. Like, it just. I feel like she runs that show too much, and it sucks a lot of the air out of all the dynamics with everyone else. And so I just wish she would step aside for a minute.

[Ronnie Karam]

I do, too. But, you know, no one's surprised that I think that. God, she makes me nuts at, like, just. And I was with. And I didn't like the villainizing Garcelle over the. Just be a lesbian if you want to. I mean, you're the one putting it in the tabloids every day. She's just trying to be supportive, and.

[Danny Pellegrino]

It'S like, that's the show. I don't. And then. I mean, not. This was so long ago, but, yeah, even at the reunion with Garcelle, it was like they were kind of mad that she. She, like, didn't have any craziness going on. And it's like. Well, I don't know. It's like, sorry that her husband didn't, like, bamboozle the elderly or like. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, sorry her husband didn't bamboozle the elderly. Yeah. Oh, God, Erica, we could talk about that all day.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Okay, wait. Can we talk about the Erika and Jesse Solomon stuff? Because I haven't talked about this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. Let's do it. I haven't either. So Erika Jayne and Jesse Solomon hooked up after Watch what Happens live taping in New York, according to a source.

[Danny Pellegrino]

We think one of the Umansky daughters was the source. I. I think it's crazy. I think it's crazy. And I wonder. I think a lot of these people, I wonder if they actually hook up for the right reasons or if it's just, like, angling for storylines. I don't know. That's like, the cynical part of me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm like, but does she want Jesse as a storyline? I just don't see that. I guess she would like the other ladies being like, oh, yeah, Erica hooked up with some young, you know, allegedly hot person.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Well, and it's like, headlines. It's like, not even for her show. It's more like just because it's headlines to keep up. Keep her spot on the show or his spot on the show? I don't know. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't see that one happening. I can't. I can't visualize it. And if I can't visualize you, I don't think you're a real.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Okay, but who do you think they could hook up? Who could you visualize either one of them with outside of their own franchises?

[Ronnie Karam]

Jesse? I could see hooking up with most and it's. I mean, Erica's gorgeous, so it's not anything. Ew. Erica. It's nothing like that. I just. Erica gives off this non sexual vibe to me. Cause she tries very hard, you know, to give off her Persona. It's my Persona. I'm acting. I'm Erika J. You know her Erika James thing. I'm a sex kitten, but I don't believe it. I think she's a non sexual person. What do you think? I mean, that's probably not something we should speculate on, but who cares? Let's do it anyway.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Well, and I was actually just talking to a friend about how that. Did you see that Bravo. I'm sort of taking us on a roundabout way, but have you seen that Bravo article or that People magazine article that was like the hottest Bravo bachelors or whatever? And it was like, Shep, Carl, Jesse. I don't know. Schwartz.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was offensive to.

[Danny Pellegrino]

It was so offensive.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was offensive.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I felt like that entire group was asexual, which, not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just like to present them as these. I don't know, I felt like that whole.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's interesting because I didn't catch that through line. But you're right, you've got Carl who's like named himself soft.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yes, soft. And also like he was open about it. He remember he like hadn't had sex for a while. And then as he was flirting with Ciara, he's like, yeah, I couldn't make it work or whatever. When I did hook up with that girl. He said this season.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Lindsay said he couldn't hook it. He couldn't make it work then either.

[Danny Pellegrino]

So Schwartz been very open, obviously.

[Ronnie Karam]

Obviously, yeah.

[Danny Pellegrino]

You know, Katie said, let's talk about how your dick doesn't work. Yeah, Shep, I don't know. I just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shep doesn't seem. Shep seems drunk sexual where he can like. And you know, Shep only lasts 30 seconds anyway, so it's not like the other guys are probably trying to like actually have sex. Whereas Shep I think is like a frat boy who's like, and it's over.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I thought it was rude to Tyson Beckford. To, like, pair him with all of those. Tyson, Like, I just felt like that's inappropriate. He's a. He's an international fashion model.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I thought so, too, but I didn't really get the sexless through line until you said it. But now that you said it. That's true. Maybe asexuals are taking.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I just thought, like, are these the only men on Bravo, like, who turned it. There must have been people that turned it down or something like, there. I don't know. I want to know, like, the mechanics of how that article came to be, because that can't be, like, the best Bravo bachelors like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, then let's make our own. So who are the best Bravo bachelors? And I'll be reading comments during this to see what you guys say.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Captain was. The captain obviously turned it down. Yeah. Captain Sandy. Who's the Australian guy?

[Ronnie Karam]

Captain Sandy, the hottest. The hottest umbrella. Captain Jason from down Under. He came out with a line of kimonos, and by that, I mean one kimono for $300. Captain Jason.

[Danny Pellegrino]

There's no doubt in my mind that they went to him and he turned it down.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. Yeah, he would have taken it.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Because I would imagine, Andy, all the.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ads this season are like, jason coming out of the water in a wet white uniform shirt. Yeah, he would have taken it. Who else? Who'd you say next? Did I lose you? Oh, my God, we're frozen.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Hello? Are you okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

You're back. You're back.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Am I back? Okay. Thank God.

[Ronnie Karam]

I almost lost my fucking mind. Okay, so who was the one you.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Said after I said, Andy probably turned it down? Andy Cullen. They probably went to him and he was like, no, I'm not doing that. Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Andy was probably like, not with Carl.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Not with Carl. Absolutely not.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not going with Carl and Shep. Okay. Who do you think else?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Ian West. I feel like west would have been the better choice between Jesse and West.

[Ronnie Karam]

West. You know, west gives that kind of barstool sports. Gross. Slick. I haven't taken a bath, and I smell like bar rat vibes. But I agree. I still think that there's something sexy about West.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Who would you choose? Who else would we. Are we gonna.

[Ronnie Karam]

I would go with West. People are saying Craig. I think that's fair. You know, I don't find Craig. I mean, I think Craig's adorable, but I don't. I wouldn't call unfair on that. I think Craig would be the hottest.

[Danny Pellegrino]

From that show, and especially if we're going with. If shep's the other option. Obviously, Craig is a way better option than Shep.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right. If you're gonna pick somebody from that show, it would be Craig. Right.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Or to be honest with you, I think, well, Rodrigo's in a relationship. Right. Isn't there somebody in there that's. Isn't there another guy on Southern Charter?

[Ronnie Karam]

The silent gay was cute with his, like, weird wig or whatever. He was cute. I forgot his name. I don't think he'll be back. He was kind of boring. I can see why they wouldn't pick him.

[Danny Pellegrino]

It's a hospitality.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, Russell from Real Housewives of Miami, the husband of Gertie.

[Danny Pellegrino]

But he's not a bachelor. He's not a bachelor. They gotta be bachelor.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, they have to be a bachelor.

[Danny Pellegrino]

But what about the Southern hospitality guys? Isn't there someone there? I don't know. There just had to have been better people than that grouping.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, there had to be better people. They didn't do a good job at that. And there's something in here about those things. It's like, oh, here's the pics from the sexiest bachelors of. Let me find it in here. Bravo's most eligible bachelors spill their grooming secrets. Are you seriously gonna have me take grooming advice from chefs?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Never. No. That's insulting, actually. Insulting?

[Ronnie Karam]

How dare you?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Or Schwartz. Or Schwartz. Like, who's taking grooming advice from Schwartz? Schwartz.

[Ronnie Karam]

The man slept on a camera case. Yeah. The man slept on a suitcase on his wedding day.

[Danny Pellegrino]

He was bathing in a lake. Like, what do we. I want grooming advice from that man. Or Carl. Like, I'm sorry. This is disgusting.

[Ronnie Karam]

The Carl in his white pants. No. And now he's, like, into flow. He's like, I'm into flowy pants now. Oh, yeah, I'm into soft pants. So commercials. Here comes one right now.

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[Ronnie Karam]

It's kind of like when you give yourself your own nickname and you try to like get other people to do it.

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[Danny Pellegrino]

Like if I'm watching the dancing and I'm noticing the feet aren't touching the ground, there's something wrong with the movie.

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[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, yeah, so the Erika Jane and Jesse Solomon thing. So we're not buying them. That basically is our verdict, eh?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so then here's another thing I'm not buying, but I could totally see happening because our world has gone fucking crazy. And that is this piece of news. Real Housewives of New York Singer Real Housewives of New York alum Ramona Singer considering Florida political run, Ramona Singer has been making headlines for her time recently spent down in Florida. Besides partying at Mar A Lago, the former Real Housewives of New York star is possibly looking to throw her at into the political ring. The thought is terrifying.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah, unfortunately, I do think this could be true. And I don't. I'm not happy to say that, but I do believe that it could be possible.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? Tax poor people. Why don't people tax poor people? They take up all the sidewalks anyway. Like, if our taxes are going to pay for sidewalks, why can't it be paid for by the people that are sleeping on them? Sit. Text. You know what? Tax text then.

[Danny Pellegrino]

You know what? I've never looked better. I look younger than ever. She's always telling us how she's never looked better. It's like, let other people say that to you.

[Ronnie Karam]

That would be her debate argument. They'd be like, ma' am, I think you are out of line. Oh yeah, you know What? I look young. You look old.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Oh, my God. What a nightmare that would be. I don't know, but I feel like she would run for, like, some. Not even, like. I don't know, like, a low position. I don't. Right. It would. It wouldn't be, like, a big position. It would be.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think you're allowed to do insider trading in all of those positions. So I think that even starter. I think even starter level, if you're elected, you can do insider trading. That's what I think. I'm gonna run.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I want to run for Congress, Unfortunately, I do think we're, like, moments away from her being elected into some cabinet in our current administration. Like, Ziggy Flicker can do it. I'm scared to. I'm too scared to go. You know, I'm too vulnerable right now to be checking my news apps, so I can't even pay attention.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's smart. It's insane. Right now I read headlines, and I'm like, this is not true. Right? Because a lot of times I'll read them on Reddit. I get my housewives news on Reddit, so it'll be like, Reddit, Reddit. It'll be housewives, housewives, housewives, hard news. And I have to look at the subreddit to see if it's a joke.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I know. It's too much. It's too much. I deleted or I got off Twitter, and I was like, it was getting too bleak for me. Like, I was just seeing too many bad stories, and I was just using my news app. I was like, I'm not gonna go on any of social medias. I'm just gonna go on my news app and just. I followed at the time only, like, video game news, movie news. And then, like, once you click on one story, the. The, like, world events stories just sort of trickle in. And then eventually, like, my news app was just current event news, and there's no escaping it.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's no escape. Just pretend. Just pretend that none of this is real. That's what I do.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I know that's true.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just pretend. You know, it's like. Did you see that HBO show? Well, it was a British show, but it was on HBO. And it's about a family over, like, 10 decades or something, or five decades or whatever. What was it called? And you see all these world events happen, and I just think of it like that. Like, when I was born, there was major shit going on in the world, and everything was great for a second, and then there was major shit going on. We've lived through a lot. The World Trade stuff, you know, 9, 11, the pandemic, wars, famines, the price of eggs. I mean, we've gone through a lot. It'll be okay.

[Danny Pellegrino]

That just sounded like Ramona's campaign speech.

[Ronnie Karam]

And through it all, I've hated poor people. That's it.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And now I look young. I've aged all those years, and I look younger than ever.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right. Speaking of old, Roni, this is not the newest story either, but we haven't had a chance to comment on this, which was hysterical. Sonja Morgan, Black L from NYC Italian Hotspot, after refusing to pay $1000 bill she thought was comped.

[Danny Pellegrino]

God bless her, you know? God bless her. I. I do worry about my Sonja. I worry about her, to be honest with you. Every time a headline comes out about Sonya, just. I worry. I worry.

[Ronnie Karam]

I worry, too. But Sonja has made it longer than I thought. I thought there was a time there where I was like, sonya is just gonna go out into the middle of the ocean on some stolen yacht and sink. Like, I. There's no way this woman is gonna make it. And she's still kicking, demanding free shit wherever she goes. I mean, I have to say, I'm kind of proud.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, they should have given it to her. Just give Sonia the free meal at this point. Like, you know, Sonya, she has given us a lot, and she seems to be down on her luck and could maybe use the free meal, so I worry.

[Ronnie Karam]

But also, Sonia hasn't been up on her leg since we met Sonya on the first episode of this show.

[Danny Pellegrino]

No, but you know what? They all got good press. Sonia was in Page Six, and the restaurant was in Page Six. They all got. Everyone came out a winner.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I mean, she's got a lot of nerve, though. So she went to this restaurant with, I think, like, five guys, and I'm sure, yeah, like, five dudes, I think. I don't even know dudes, people. And she went in and tried to get them all free meals. Like, what? I don't think that. I don't think you do that, even if you are a star, ma' am. And she was going, I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity. And I think she thought she was at Stanley Tucci's restaurant, because I think Stanley Tucci would have done it because the restaurant's called Tucci. And, you know, it feels like Stanley would have some pity, but it wasn't. It was Max. Max is a real bitch. So he kicked her out and then she got put in some ambulance. And the rumors are that they gave her the op. They were like, we can arrest you or we can put you on an ambulance, which I think is celebrity treatment, don't you?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah. The thing that I was worried about was after that when she came out and said like, her explanation of that just seemed really dark sided because it was just like. Yeah. She didn't seem to have any concern over what happened. That's what worries about me is, like, I don't feel like she sees herself as being out of control ever. Yeah, I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I don't think you do, do you? I don't think when you're out of control that you see it. I don't think you're ever like, oh, my God, I'm so out of control. I think other people lock you in somewhere and then it takes you a couple weeks. But it's happened too many times.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Remember that was. There was like a story where she was in Philly and like was. You know, there's so many stories that come out where she. Yeah. Like she can't stand or she can't. It's like, I don't like, I don't like that. Like, I like quirky Sonia and whatever being a little messy. But I don't like when I see the stories and she's like in an ambulance or can't stand upright or.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Pellegrino]

It's like I'm like, oh, that's like a little too, too far for me.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's too dark.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah. And it's too dark.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Danny Pellegrino]

You know, I do wish I would have loved her on that Love Hotel show. Like, because I. I think she would have been more fun on it. But obviously she needs to get it together.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's too much of a mess, I think, because they tried the crappy lake thing with her and it was just too much. I think she was just too much. She was doing the fall down drunk thing on that too. And fucking dudes from the little, I don't know, Piggly Wiggly Bar. What was like a bar called that they went to. And it was just. It crosses the line, I think, to where it makes people uncomfortable. It's like she'll poop herself. Remember? That was one of her big stories. Was like, oh, I love taking the jitney. I take the jitney all the time to the Hamptons because I could just wear Depends and I never have to use the bathroom. It's like, that's your story that you're pooping. Yourself on purpose.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I will say, though, that entire cast, the amount of shit they shit themselves with throughout their run was shocking, like, for a group of adult women to, like. I mean, there were times. You can probably go through the footage. I don't know if anyone has ever done this, but you could probably go through the. Those first 13 seasons of the show and count how many times they pissed or shit themselves. And they're adult women, and it happened a lot.

[Ronnie Karam]

There were times where people would comment. I think on the girls trip, they did, the New York girls trip, where people were like, did you guys catch that pile of poop that Ramona. Like, Ramona's walking, and then there's, like, a pile of poop by Ramona. And so I saw it in the comments, and I went back and I looked at the. At the footage, and it was not poop. It was like a water. Because, you know, they were in bathing suits. It was water on the wood. And so it looked kind of. It was shaped maybe like a clump. And I think. But that. I thought, that's where New York has taken us. That you're on. You're in the mood. Where you're always, like, looking for poop. Like, where did Ramona poop today?

[Danny Pellegrino]

Where did she shit? It happened so much. Like, it wasn't just one trip. It was like every time they went on a trip, somebody would be like. Dorindo would be like, oh, Ramona's shit in my bathroom or something. It's like, what? How does this matter?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that shows you missed the toilet.

[Danny Pellegrino]

It was on the. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so that's enough of that. But we love our Sonja, you know, Sonia. Get it together.

[Danny Pellegrino]

We're wishing her the best.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just enough. Just get it together enough, you know, to stay with us, because we love you. Okay, here's a really good one that I don't know, that I can believe. And I wasn't gonna bring it up, except that I see it getting repeated everywhere. And this is repeated in hardcore intellectual media now. Bus magazine. So I believe it. Which is Dolores Catania joining the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Have you heard this? What do you think? Do you think this is a bunch of bunk?

[Danny Pellegrino]

You know, I have heard it. My opinion is that she'll appear on it or something. Like, I don't. She probably maybe knows one of the people or something, and so maybe she'll, like, guess. But I don't think it'll be more than, like, a guest. That's my gut instinct. But I don't know anything.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think you're right. I think you're right. I think what they're gonna do is, like, have the first season be Dolores, like, handing the baton in some way, like, being girls. I love Rhode Island. Like, do you have pebbled tiles here? What a gorgeous city. And I've always loved this girl. She loves her girlfriend just like I love my girlfriends. And she'll go to a party and that'll be it.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah, yeah. She'll know one of them or something. Because Andy has said that there's, like, an Italian angle for Rhode island, and it feels very New Jersey. And so, yeah, I think there'll be some sort of baton. Baton.

[Ronnie Karam]

Baton. It's the Rhode island version of a baton. It's like a rattan baton.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Yeah, yeah. So she'll pop up, I would imagine. But, you know, I'm more interested in seeing what happens with Jersey because I think they will ultimately figure that cast out and bring back half of them.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think they're insane for what they're doing. Jersey is the second highest rated Housewives. It was almost tied exactly with Beverly Hill Year. So for them to just say, we're not bringing it back because it's too toxic. Jersey's always been toxic. What are you talking about? I actually enjoyed the season. I thought it was really good. And I personally don't need Teresa or Melissa filming together for it to be a good season. I don't care.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I liked what they did with that weird. That weird ending where they got together instead of a reunion. Like, to me, that worked. It was like, I kind of just think, yeah, give him another. Give him a season. And if a reunion doesn't work, I'm okay with that. Like, if you give me something else instead of it, great.

[Ronnie Karam]

So that was a beautiful episode, that last episode. And then everybody getting mad and storming out anyway. And then Dolores, like, drinking everybody else's drinks off the table was really funny.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And it did really well. Like, ratings wise, it did really well. And so I don't understand why. And if it's just like the Teresa and Melissa thing, then it's like, just get rid of one of them and, and. And figure it out from there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Who would you pick between? Well, maybe I shouldn't say that to you because I feel like you'd get in real trouble with these people, because I don't know these people, but.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Well, yeah, I mean, I, I. To me, like, the, The. Even aside from my opinions on it, production wise, I think what makes the most sense is, like, Having Teresa do, like a spin off with Louis. What? I also don't think, like, production wants to. I think they see so much story with Teresa and Louis ahead of them. Them. And obviously there's been stuff that's come out since then, like, yeah, you know, it's her. It's. I think, like, it's kind of her show and it's like. But so I would, if I was them, I would do like a Teresa spin off and then, you know, they could keep Melissa on the other show like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

To me, I don't like Teresa spin off, mostly because I don't want to recap it. And it sounds hard. All the Teresa spin offs have been like, bloody hell. Although the wedding was pretty fun. That was pretty funny.

[Danny Pellegrino]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

But like a full. A full reboot. I mean, a full spin off with Teresa. I don't want that. But I do agree that I think Bravo sees the story. They know that Louis is going to jail at some point. And the way it's looking now, he's probably taking Teresa with him again. It looks like it could happen any moment from everything I'm reading. So I want to see it.

[Danny Pellegrino]

And Teresa gets the headlines in a way that the other women don't like. Theresa, no matter what happens, happens, she's going to get headlines because she's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Danny Pellegrino]

You know, she's been with the show since the beginning. So I think, like, that's how Bravo looks at it, is like, well, how do we do it without Teresa? Because that's like, built in story. It makes all of their jobs easier because they have built in storylines. Like Melissa doesn't have built in storylines. I think Melissa, like, people like her and she's very likable and stuff. And I enjoy Melissa sometimes, too, but I don't know if that's like a good TV show, but Theresa's like, even if you hate her, Melissa can go.

[Ronnie Karam]

Melissa needs to go. I think her story's played out. It's like the fight with the sister and the brother, that's over. They're not speaking. Okay, it's done. I think they just keep her for Joe. Really. I mean, I think that's what everyone thinks, right? They keep her for Joe. Teresa's, you know, a monster. I'm not saying, like, oh, Theresa's amazing. She should win because she's the best person. It's not that. I just think that the entertainment values Theresa, so. So, you know, don't reboot the whole thing. Please don't put us through this again. I can't take anymore.

[Danny Pellegrino]

It's hard and no one wants to re the full reboot. I don't think it works. I think like they need to do it if, if they want to get rid of even. I would even, even take them. Like getting rid of both Teresa and Melissa and keeping a few like Dolores and a couple others. I don't know who else I would keep Dolores.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'd keep Margaret. I love Margaret.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I like Jen Fessler too. I don't know if that's a popular.

[Ronnie Karam]

I like Jen Fessler. Yeah, you know, slap a tiny soprano. I like her too. Like her too. And I like Margaret. You know, I like those people.

[Danny Pellegrino]

So I think like that that would work too. As long as they, they need to keep some anchors or even I like just keep. If Dolores even is the only one. Like just keep Dolores. Like but I can't do a full cast reboot. Like I can't do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I can't either. I say bring me Rosie and Cannoli back. Bring the Kathy. Kathy the cannoli lady. Keep Theresa, keep Margaret. Keep Danielle Cabral. I like her. Don't keep Rachel Foota and don't keep Melissa. That's what I say.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I sort of. I didn't like Rachel. I liked Rachel but not the husband.

[Ronnie Karam]

Rachel just went too into it the second season. She thought she was too big the second season and I'm like, honey, the show's not built around. I'm sorry to say, honey, that's condescending. But I just mean like this show's not built around you, lady. You know, she's very like, well, I won't film with her. Like, who cares? Who are you? Who wants to watch you get the hell out of here.

[Danny Pellegrino]

I know. I wish there was some world where they could just be like, look, you're either losing, you're all losing the show or you all have to film together. Like and then we could just keep the same cast.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think they did and they're still being hard headed about it. Yeah. So that's the problem. All right, so we're gonna move over to the question and answer portion of this with the listeners. So I'm gonna post the link here in the comments over on YouTube if you guys wan ask Danny some questions. We've got about 10 minutes because we started a little late because it was my fault. Sorry Danny, but come over. And the audio portion is ending now. We love you guys. We'll talk to you next time. If you want to join on video every other Monday, 5:30pm Pacific Time and we'll leave a link in the comments. Love you guys.

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