#2866 The Valley S2E07 Part Two The Ring Didn’t Mean a Thing w Guest Lara Schoenhals

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary Episode: #2866 The Valley S2E07 Part Two The Ring Didn’t Mean a Thing
Guest: Lara Schoenhals
Release Date: May 29, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction

In episode #2866 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the tumultuous world of Bravo’s Vanderpump Rules. This two-part recap focuses on season two, episode seven, titled "The Ring Didn’t Mean a Thing," featuring insightful commentary and spirited discussions with guest Lara Schoenhals. The hosts navigate the dramatic developments surrounding Jax and Brittany’s strained relationship, providing fans with a comprehensive analysis of the episode’s key moments and underlying tensions.

Recap of Key Events

Jax’s Troubling Behavior

The episode centers heavily on Jax's problematic actions and their impact on his relationship with Brittany. Hosts express strong disapproval of Jax’s manipulative tactics, particularly his scheme to rent a condo next to Tom Schwartz without informing Brittany, leading to financial strain and emotional distress.

• Ronnie Karam (02:35): "I just want to see my son so much. You kicked your son out of your house. You made your son go live in an Airbnb while you stayed in the big house and didn't even pay the mortgage to it. You are the biggest piece of shit."

This segment highlights Jax’s lack of accountability and the detrimental effects of his deceitful behavior on his family.

Producer Influence and Character Portrayal

Ronnie and Larz critically examine how producers shape the portrayal of male characters like Jax and Tom Schwartz, suggesting a deliberate attempt to maintain the show's appeal by keeping certain stars on screen despite their flaws.

• Larz Marie (04:14): "The people, like, masterminding the way that the men on the show and on Vanderpump Rules are portrayed have it so backwards."

The hosts argue that viewers are deprived of seeing genuine humiliations of characters like Jax, pointing out missed opportunities for more authentic and entertaining content.

Financial and Legal Troubles

The discussion shifts to the financial repercussions of Jax’s actions, emphasizing the unpaid mortgage and escalating costs that have left Brittany in a precarious situation.

• Ronnie Karam (33:53): "She said their mortgage went from $8,000 a month to $18,000 because of his, like, unpaid bills and taxes."

This financial strain underscores the severity of Jax’s irresponsibility and its real-life consequences for Brittany and their family.

Character Dynamics and Conflicts

Brittany and Jax’s Relationship Breakdown

The hosts dissect the falling out between Brittany and Jax, focusing on the emotional and financial betrayals that have strained their relationship to the breaking point.

• Larz Marie (31:24): "Brittany's like, 'I met with Jackson, the park. And he started saying he wants us to start fresh and start dating.'"

The narrative reveals Jax’s attempts to rekindle the relationship under false pretenses, further alienating Brittany and escalating the conflict.

Interpersonal Tensions Among Cast Members

Ronnie and Larz explore the broader interpersonal conflicts among the cast, including Jesse and Michelle’s ongoing disputes and Kristen’s confrontations with Jason, highlighting the pervasive drama that fuels the show’s narrative.

• Ronnie Karam (14:22): "Do you believe it? ... I don't think so either. I was a little disappointed in Kristen only because of the quality of the accusation."

These interactions showcase the tangled web of alliances and rivalries that keep viewers hooked on the unfolding drama.

Insights and Analysis

Production Decisions and Audience Engagement

The hosts offer a critical view of Bravo’s production decisions, positing that the network prioritizes maintaining key personalities over fostering authentic storytelling. They suggest that this approach may hinder the show’s ability to deliver compelling and relatable content.

• Ronnie Karam (05:19): "Both shows were coming from the place of, like, well, we can't. If we lose this star of the show, we're gonna lose the show."

This analysis questions the long-term sustainability of Bravo’s strategy, hinting at potential viewer fatigue due to repetitive and contrived drama.

Social Media and Public Perception

Discussing the backlash Jax faces online, the hosts emphasize the role of social media in shaping public perception, revealing a divided fan base that either sympathizes with Jax or stands firmly behind Brittany.

• Ronnie Karam (36:02): "I don't know. And then she used him and she got what she wanted she wanted. And then right when she got what she wanted, she dumped him and tried to make him look like a villain."

This segment highlights the polarized opinions within the fan community, influenced by the characters’ real-life actions and online narratives.

Conclusion and Future Outlook

Wrapping up the episode, Ronnie and Larz express anticipation for the upcoming season, despite the lingering frustrations with Jax’s character arc. They hope for more genuine developments and possibly seeing Jax confront his issues more authentically in future episodes.

• Larz Marie (37:12): "That guy's a disgusting human being. But I'm excited for the rest of the season."

The hosts conclude on a note of cautious optimism, eager to witness how the ongoing drama will unfold and impact the dynamics among the Vanderpump Rules cast members.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ronnie Karam [02:35]: "You kicked your son out of your house. You made your son go live in an Airbnb while you stayed in the big house and didn't even pay the mortgage to it. You are the biggest piece of shit."
• Larz Marie [04:14]: "The people, like, masterminding the way that the men on the show and on Vanderpump Rules are portrayed have it so backwards."
• Ronnie Karam [14:22]: "Do you believe it?"
• Larz Marie [31:24]: "Brittany's like, 'I met with Jackson, the park. And he started saying he wants us to start fresh and start dating.'"
• Ronnie Karam [36:02]: "I don't know. And then she used him and she got what she wanted she wanted. And then right when she got what she wanted, she dumped him and tried to make him look like a villain."
• Larz Marie [37:12]: "That guy's a disgusting human being. But I'm excited for the rest of the season."

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Final Thoughts

Episode #2866 of Watch What Crappens offers a deep dive into the latest developments of Vanderpump Rules, providing listeners with a thorough and engaging analysis of the show’s drama. Hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam, with insights from guest Lara Schoenhals, deliver a balanced yet critical perspective that both entertains and informs fans eager to stay updated on their favorite Bravo series.

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Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys. It's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay, it's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show. And now we get Jax's the violin. The Jax violin section comes in for poor Jax. Poor, poor Jax. We get sad music. Jax is doing his like, video vlog from early 2000s YouTube where he gets a full monologue.

[Larz Marie]

It's incredible the work that he's doing in these rehab diaries. It's beautiful.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a special day today because I get to see my son and I'm going to cry. I'm going to cry. I'm going to cry. Oh, and then he starts doing. Pushing his eyes and re rubs his eyes. Yeah. Trying to rub the dye from his eyebrows into his eyes. Like, getting some of the eyeliner in there. Like, oh, my son. Guys, I don't care about my son so much.

[Larz Marie]

I want to apologize. Brittany. No, I don't want to apologize because apologies don't mean anything without actions back them up. So I just really am excited and just ready to be a dad again. I was like, you're so full of shit.

[Ronnie Karam]

You literally haven't paid your child's mortgage in three months, sir. He's like, my kids about Britney and your child. I'm gonna love him.

[Larz Marie]

Could be homeless. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Pig. So basically, I like these because I just get to yell at the TV for a solid five minutes. The thing that makes me the craziest about this season are these. Jack's violin. Guys. I didn't realize. I just love my son so much. I love my son. You kicked your son out of your house. You made your son go live in an Airbnb while you stayed in the big house and didn't even pay the mortgage to it. You are the biggest piece of shit. I cannot believe you're getting away with this. And after Bravo is doing all of their firing left and right, it's like, let's kick Kenya off halfway through the season for doing her thing, and let's do. Let's get everybody, but let's give Jax a violin section. You fucking kidding me?

[Larz Marie]

Yeah, it's very strange. Like, I'm like, who the. The people, like, masterminding the way that the men on the show and on Vanderpump Rules are portrayed have it so backwards. Because, like, as a viewer, all I want to see is Jax be humiliated over and over again. So, like, I think I would assume as a producer, you understand that that is what the customer is tuning in for. So you need to just make that happen. But then it kind of doesn't come to fruition, or you don't get, like, the excitement of that happening. It was kind of the same with, like, the Tom Sandoval final season of Vanderpump Rules, where it was like, we're not getting, like, now's the time that I really want to see just, like, Sandoval being embarrassing. And we just kind of didn't get that and then got, like, more sympathy towards him. And I just need utter humiliation rituals.

[Ronnie Karam]

I agree. And I think they're coming from the place. Both shows were coming from the place of, like, well, we can't. If we lose this star of the show, we're gonna lose the show. Right? So in that case, it was like, Sandoval, you Know if we're gonna keep the show going. Like, remember Lisa Vanderpump was like, please have a conversation with Sandoval. She was trying to send everybody, like, please, we've been friends for so long, and you can't just let it go. Because she was afraid that the show was going to end. But I think the show ended anyway, because who wants to? You can't. You can't.

[Larz Marie]

No one wants. It's also like, yeah, you. If they have too much power and say, it's like, for someone like Jax, it's like, you're lucky to get the opportunity to do this show. So, like, you're not going to get much editorial say in how you're portrayed. You either want to do the show and you need money or you decide not to do it. Like, the show can go on without him. I just don't understand. Like, it's also very clear that he's lying about everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Larz Marie]

So, like, can we just. I think it would be. And it's funnier to catch him in a lie over and over and over than to try and, like, drum up any sympathy for him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Agreed. I want to see him going to the house, uncovering the cameras. I want to see him, like, on his phone, looking at the ring cam. I want to see him. I know they can't shoot in rehab, but I want. It's la. I'm sure people would sign releases. I want to see him in rehab in the round circle, like, hello, my name is, you know, Jax, or whatever. And then watch people call him on his shit, because they will do that to your ass, I'll tell you that.

[Larz Marie]

Celebrity Rehab, like, I'm like, let's, like, fire Celebrity Rehab back up and get, like, a whole group of people in the house.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just get a whole group of Bravo people. They could just redo it on Bravo. So now we get to go over to something troubling but, you know, more acceptable, which is Brittany having a kid's party for adults. And her mom is there. Sherry. And Sherry's there in her, like, Temu. Lisa Rinna. Leopard print. Moo. Moo. Whatever the fuck she's wearing. How do you feel about Pebbles?

[Larz Marie]

Oh, I was. It was good to see her again. I like what she's doing with her hair now. Yeah, I like. We were saying on Sup that she's kind of has this, like, indie sleaze look going on, and I was excited for her new ventures into different sort of fashions. And, you know, it's always a good day When Sherry graces the screen, like.

[Ronnie Karam]

She'S just heard of Bam Bam's Bam Bam and Pebbles band, and she's, like, out. She's, like, out to support, you know? So she's kind of like a Karen.

[Larz Marie]

O. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Haircut a bit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she's really leaned into the triangular sideways triangle eyebrows that Brittany. Brittany's kind of made hers into more of an arch, but then when she gets mad, they go into, like, straight triangles, and Sheri just has her permanent triangles in there. So I like that about Sheri. She looks kind of like one of the angry mushrooms from the Mario games, you know? Just like.

[Larz Marie]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's been amazing having mama here. So mama's staying for a month to watch Cruise, and we're gonna have a shark party at the rental house. So Janet's mom is also gonna be there watching the kids, and she's gonna party, Kai. She's gonna party. So now people start coming in for the party. Kristen's there, and they're talking about. Let's see. What are they talking about? Oh. So Brittany tells her the news. She's like, today, I thought it would be nice to let Jax Lee Cruise, and my nanny dropped to cruise off, so they had 30 minutes without me being there. And then Jax wanted me to come so we could talk to the therapist. It did not go well. At all. It did not go well. Dun, dun, dun.

[Larz Marie]

Jax took Brittany to the park and told her the great news, which is that he signed a lease to live next door to Tom Schwartz.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God.

[Larz Marie]

In, like, a condo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. Meanwhile, she also found out this is where Jax has uncovered the cameras in her house and has been spying on her. And she didn't know because they were covered with cards, so she couldn't catch him bringing Huas into the house. And she's like, yeah. And whenever he left the house, he took the covers off the camera. So basically, he was yelling at her about all this stuff. He's like, I can see you. I can see you. I can see what you're wearing right now. You're wearing a red shirt. And she didn't know. Of course. It took Brittany a minute to figure.

[Larz Marie]

Out for being, like, happy now that. Oh, my God. And then, like, literally, he's. I also love him being at rehab, like, working on himself and feeling like a real weight is lifted. As soon as he gets done saying that, he's, like, terrorizing Brittany on text, being like, yeah, I see you, bitch. Wearing a red shirt. Nice shirt.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, crazy creep. He's such a fucking creep. So then, yeah, she talks about how he is gonna move into Tom Schwartz, and she's supposed to. She just signed. He signed a lease without telling her. And she's already paid for this rental house. So now they've got this house just sitting there. So she's like, I just think he wants to relive those pre Britney days. Well, those weren't very good either. He had Stass, you know, he was fucking over Stassi at that point and getting dragged, you know, for that. So I don't know that Jax has ever really had a good period.

[Larz Marie]

No, never had, like a period of, like, true peace and happiness, I don't think.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because then before Vanderpump Rules, wasn't that his Miami days? And we all know what was happening there. I don't know that that was a very peaceful time in his life. So I don't know.

[Larz Marie]

I don't know. When would I want to go back? Maybe he was enjoying his time period where he dated that woman who is from San Diego. And it was like they went to the Moment Hotel together for a drink.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Larz Marie]

And then she ended up dumping him. But maybe that's like the glory days he's trying to relive, like, right before he met Britney.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I guess. But I don't think it's going to work. I think it's going to be very sad.

[Larz Marie]

I also like that he told Brittany, like, I want to start over fresh with you, and I want to, like, feel like we're just dating again. So I got a house next to Tom Short. She's like, oh, man.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She's like, I just wish he didn't have a phone. If he did, somebody should shove it up his butthole. So he had to get it. And so then I wish he was in jail. What's that?

[Larz Marie]

I wish he was in jail.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I wish he was in jail. Well, you'll probably get your wish soon. I think we all see that one coming. So now is the Jasmine, Melissa and Danny apology scene. So he gets water, which is smart. This part, Jasmine points it out. She's like, love to see it. So Jasmine explains because, you know, he starts. He is good at an apology, too. He's like, well, you know, I heard you were upset still, and I apologize, but I'd just like to apologize again. I thought it was very smart to just come into this with his hands in the air being like, you're right, I'm wrong, whatever I need to do. And so she explains that what triggered her about it is that people don't take her seriously because she's in a gay relationship. And so guys are like, oh I've seen. Basically guys are like, oh it's like porn. I love girl on girl. And so they sexualize you and stuff. And so he apologizes cause he didn't mean to do that. And it seems like we get a forgiveness here because he just apologizes over and over.

[Larz Marie]

Past it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Larz Marie]

But hopefully not for long.

[Ronnie Karam]

It doesn't look like from the trailer that they get over it because then they go into full on yelling at each other about it. So love to see it. Great.

[Larz Marie]

Yeah, Excited.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Kristen meets with Kristen and Luke meet with Jesse to gossip and she's fired up over this attacking Mia and Danny thing. And she doesn't like that Jason went to the Shake Shack or whatever to heavy handed rather to do Janet's dirty work. And so her big news is oh yeah, you fuck with him, I'm gonna fuck with you. Maybe Jason shouldn't be speaking. Maybe you should keep your wedding ring on. Dun dun dun. So big accusation that Jason is going out on the town without his wedding ring. What say you? Do you believe it?

[Larz Marie]

This didn't. I love to see Dodie just like launch a grenade. But to me I was like in my head I was like, there's no way that Jason is really like trying to be smooth operator out on the town.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think so either. I didn't really buy it. And I was a little disappointed in Kristen only because of the quality of the accusation. I feel like Kristen, the old Kristen would have found a way to get his laptop and go through his browser history. You know what I mean? You can always find something to use against a dude with his browser history. I mean something like his kinky porn, whatever he's into. Like I just felt like there was more there. There's more that she could have found.

[Larz Marie]

I think that we are witnessing Dodie in like a new era because usually when she does like drop the bomb, it is significant and she knows that she's like blowing something up, blowing the lid off like a situation. But she's focused. Her focus is in many different places. She's just trying to get pregnant all the time around the clock, getting pounded out by Luke and she's not as dialed in as she usually is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I need more. I mean I get you're going to have to multitask. I'm not going to take the like I'm trying to get pregnant. Like that doesn't take all day. Like, I literally need you to break into his house because this is a lot. I mean, you're the woman who brought us the girl from Miami. Literally put the girl on a plane on a waiter salary. You know what I mean? Brought the girl in from Miami.

[Larz Marie]

Come on, Kristen, we'll do whatever it takes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, you're better than this. So now that Jesse's like, whatever, I don't believe this. He's like, I don't give a shit. Like, who cares? And Chris is like, oh, yeah, you can fuck with me, but if you fuck with my family or my friends or Daniel, you're gonna get it. So we'll see how that works out at Britt's shock party. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappin's commercial.

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[Ronnie Karam]

It's kind of like when you give yourself your own nickname and you try to, like, get other people to do it.

[Misha Brown]

And the 2019 movie adaptation of Cats.

[Larz Marie]

Like, if I'm watching the dancing and I'm noticing the feet aren't touching the ground, there's something wrong with the movie.

[Misha Brown]

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[Larz Marie]

I like the idea of a shark party. My shark party.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Sherry's like, well, Brittany, you've always loved Shark Week ever since you were just a little girl. Ever since. Yeah, I said I would change the world in the carnival by having more Shark Weeks. So she's a big Shark Week fan. And so here we go. Here we go with the theme so people come. Zach's got Britney's face all over his swim trunks, which I feel like is not a new thing. Like he's had those for a long time.

[Larz Marie]

He's had him for a while.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And it finally works. He's on tv, so good for him. And then Lala's there, pregnant. Lala series, you ask. Lala's back in town.

[Larz Marie]

What do you think about Lala and Sheena being on the ballet.

[Ronnie Karam]

Before this season? I said, absolutely not. This show is perfect. Don't bring anybody else on here, especially those two. And I like Sheena for the most part. Lala made me a little crazy in her last couple of years. The post, the rant in later years made me crazy with Lala because I felt like she turned against the people who actually helped her stay on the show and went to the dark side to keep friends. And I didn't like that. So can I forgive? Sure. But I don't know that I need them. It feels too forced, even though it's not. They're all friends. Right? What do you think? I'll shut up.

[Larz Marie]

I think. I mean, it does Seem like Sheena is friends with everyone, like, organically, like, hangs out with people. I don't know how close Lala is to all those people. You know what I mean? I believe that she's. I kind of believe that she's close with Sheena, but I also don't know her. I agree that the later Rand years made me question her relationships and her motivations, because I do think she was also trying to get out of having to say anything, like, personal or share, like, anything that was going on with her. And so it became, like, a lot of accusations or pointing the finger at other people.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Larz Marie]

But I do miss Sheena a lot, and I want Sheena back.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm honestly, I think it's because it's a package deal that I'm even questioning it. Because Sheena. I'm fine anywhere. I'm fine with Sheena anywhere. Like, Sheena is such a dope. I think she's so funny.

[Larz Marie]

She kills me, and I just want her back. I feel like Sheena's gone through a reckoning of sorts, and she seems almost, like, a little uncomfortable on this show, but I want her to be, like, in her comfort zone on camera again on Bravo, just, like, living her best life.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. It's like, on this one, she knows she's a friend of. And so she's not doing as much or they're cutting it. I mean, I can't see why they would cut it if they bothered to bring her back on. But, yeah, Sheena, I'm okay with Lala. I'm not sure, but she's here, so we'll see how it goes. So they're talking about Santa Barbara, and Lala's like, yeah, Janet told me about Santa Barbara. How was that? And she's like, he called me a whore. A whore. And so Lala's like, I'm gonna get him, basically. And she's like, okay, well, why does he look the way his personality is? Uh. And then we see Jesse walk in wearing, like, a braided leather necklace, and she's like, he walks like such a dex. Right. Like, even looks like a dex. I'm sorry you had to deal with that.

[Larz Marie]

Jesse's mirrored sunglasses. I just really wish that those weren't a thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're the best sunglasses in LA because it's the only way to get people to look you in the eye at a party. I stand behind them. So then we go to Jasmine. Basically, everyone's kind of gossiping about the storyline. It's like, okay, had it go with Dani and Jasmine said it's okay, you know. And Jesse is like, well you know, me and Michelle trigger each other and I know that wasn't great, but I was triggered. I was triggered by her. I'm like, yeah, he's full of shit. So that guy still learned nothing. And then we go to Danny and Jason. So Jason has come to this party feeling like shit basically because he went really hard at Danny and now he feels bad so he's gonna apologize.

[Larz Marie]

And he gives like a pretty heartfelt apology. There seemed to be tears in his eyes at one point and I was like, I didn't realize that they were that close but I guess they are really close. And now they've patched up the issue and Danny's like, thanks bro. Means a lot man.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, wish boys chat for life. Boys chat. Okay, so fun times. So then Jesse sees Lala and he's like, oh hey Lala. God, so good to see you. Hugs, hugs, hugs. And he's like, oh, you're pregnant. I've always wanted more kids. She goes, well if it's any indication of how you treat your baby mamas, I don't think you should have them. He's like, dun, dun, dun. He's like, well you know, it's hard on both sides. She's like, yeah, but I lean towards the chick unless it's Ariana. Especially when the man and the father of the child is calling her a whore and a slut. So Lala's got a point here. I really don't have anything to argue. Even people I don't love can be anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Larz Marie]

And I just hate that Jesse keeps calling it like a moment of weakness. It's like just say like you said something really out of pocket and inappropriate. It's okay to just be like, yeah, I was a dick. Like I really shouldn't have said that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but being a moment of weakness is bullshit because it's not just a moment of weakness. Like if you're okay with calling a woman a who, then you're okay with like you've been okay with that. Like that didn't just happen that day.

[Larz Marie]

You know, it's a life of weakness.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's weakness. It's a dead eyed weakness. Jesse. And he's like, even the strongest man or woman, regardless of the growth that they're trying to find by screaming into pillows with fucking proud boys in their backyard can have moments of weakness. Okay? And she's like, you know what? Your little girl is going to be impressionable. And she's my main Focus. And he says, well, he's telling us calling Michelle a lying, cheating whore is a moment of weakness, but the truth is, she's a liar and a cheater, so she doesn't deserve to be called a whore. But the other stuff, I stand by.

[Larz Marie]

God, let it go. Get over it.

[Ronnie Karam]

For real. It's over. And you didn't catch her. You know what I mean? Like, you. Like, there's a statute of limitations, sir. She left you before you caught her. So I say, irrelevant.

[Larz Marie]

It is irrelevant. It's just suspected. Also, it's like, who cares? You're divorced now. She doesn't love you. She doesn't want to be in this relationship with you. Yeah, get over it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you lost this one, buddy. So she tells him off, and then he's like, well, thanks for the good laugh. That gave me hair. So he lost that one, as usual. So at least we got to see Jesse Lee's one this episode. I just need the pinata Jacks back. And then we go to people dressed like sharks. And then we get the Jesse tattletailing. So Jesse tattletales to Jason that Kristen's about to start some shit, but he doesn't tell him what. So Jason's like, oh, my God, what did I do? I'm trying to rack my brain to think what I did. I don't think I did anything. Oh, my God, did I forget to put the casserole in the oven? So good. What did I do?

[Larz Marie]

We find out that allegedly what he did was take his ring off two years ago.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jasmine just. Not Jasmine. Janet just laughs. She's like, oh, God, that's it. And he's like, okay. So it's not an allegation that I'm cheating. It's that I'm trying to cheating. And I'm just really bad at it. Like, what are you saying? And so Janet's like, kristen, really? You really think this is going to happen? She's like, well, I heard it from Jasmine. So they called Jasmine over. And Jason's like, what the fuck? I literally just got into an argument trying to defend this girl, and now this girl's going to try and ruin my life. And Jasmine's like, well, I mean, would I bring it up? Nope, I wouldn't bring it up. But I did hear it, but I didn't bring it up. So I don't know why it was brought up. Kristen's like, because you came after Daniel. That's why you came after my mother, Nia and Daniel.

[Larz Marie]

How dare you? How dare you talk to Daniel and Nia like that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Larz Marie]

You had to go, mama bear.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Janet's like, do you honestly think I don't have private investigators following this motherfucker? Everywhere he goes, I can see into his soul. I have a chip in his brain. I can smell what he's smelling. Kristen, this man is not doing anything that I don't know about, okay?

[Larz Marie]

She's like, I power him down at night, and I turn him on in the morning. If he's not wearing his ring, it's because I forgot to put it on his finger.

[Ronnie Karam]

Truly. Truly. So she's like, okay, Kristen, to repeat baseless rumors like that? Ridiculous. Are you sorry you blurted it out? Just say you're sorry. This is so stupid. Stupid. Kristen. And I can't believe you guys are talking about it when not once did anybody come to me or Jason. You know, I hate people talking behind people's backs. Okay, Jasmine. So Kristin's like, I'm not. I wasn't friends with you, so I didn't. Oh, sorry. Sorry. And this is when Janet's like, yeah. She may think she's Detective doughty, but I'm 10 steps ahead of her always. There's never gonna be a situation where she's telling me new information about my husband. I know where he is at all times, and if he's going vacation, I put an air tag on it for safety.

[Larz Marie]

This is like, challenge accepted.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now I'm gonna ruin your life. You know, I don't love Janet, but I do feel like she's in a real marriage.

[Larz Marie]

Yeah. You know, they seem aligned. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they seem aligned. Yeah. For sure.

[Larz Marie]

So that's why they're kind of annoying, because they are really boring and in a seemingly healthy relationship.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. You know, and I think it's good when you're, like, in a partnership and you're like, you know what? Fuck these people. Fuck this guy for making me uncomfortable in a closet by drinking a tequila. I mean, as a gay friend, I could be like, that's stupid. You were all drunk at a thing. Stop saying uncomfortable. Like you were assaulted by some guy when he drank tequila in front of you. Like, stop. But as a husband, you have to be like, I'm gonna go to heavy handed with him and we're gonna have a talk. So I think that's a good relationship.

[Larz Marie]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

What happens next? Okay, so Brittany's like, ding, ding, ding, ding. She's got like a Campbell soup turned upside down cowbow. Ding, ding, ding. All right, everybody gather over here. Okay? I met with Jackson, the park. And he started saying he wants us to start fresh and start dating. Like the beginning. He even stole a pair of sunglasses. But then he tells me that he rented a condo next to Tommy Schwartz. Can you believe it? And so then everyone's like, no. How dare you? And now he's gonna try and stick me with that $14,000 a month mortgage. I already got a place and everything's gonna be on my back. So she cries and they're like, get a lawyer, girl.

[Larz Marie]

That's where Sheena does come in. Clutch. She goes, britt, it's time to get a lawyer. I've been telling you, get a lawyer.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's about time you did something about this. We're doing something. So then we go to this scene at Jax's bar, which was kind of a weird place to have a scene.

[Larz Marie]

No, A really grim setting. Britney walks in, she gets kind of dead here. Huh?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's dead. There's nobody in there but them. And they're putting, like, napkins over his face. Jasmine's, you know, putting napkins over his face in the restaurant and stuff. So Schwartz comes over and he's like, hey, guys, everything going okay? Jax is doing better. Ryan. Like, he's been texting me that he's a changed man and he's moving in next door. We're just good little boys. Brittany's like, oh, really? Well, I found out he hadn't paid the mortgage since May. And then we see that it's August.

[Larz Marie]

15Th or something, but really, he wasn't paying the mortgage since February.

[Ronnie Karam]

Whoa. Really?

[Larz Marie]

I know. Yeah. He. They say on the after show they get into mortgage details. And it was like, the second that Brittany moved out, he stopped paying the mortgage.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. And didn't he say something like, well, you know, it's like mental health. It's just mental health. He was like, and that's what happens.

[Larz Marie]

I said, yeah, I did. I didn't pay. I said, fuck it. Because, you know, I was really going through it. I was having a hard time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Larz Marie]

And then it comes all around to, like. It's like, he didn't pay the mortgage. He didn't pay taxes. He really. Everything up. And then he's like. And I got it. I. I got things back on track. But the. What really, really set me off the most was that she hooked up with my friend. He brings it all the way back around to that.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's no learning what the pig. Oh, my God.

[Larz Marie]

It's a true pig.

[Ronnie Karam]

Especially because that fight that they were having that Day he was going to rehab, he's like, I pay for everything. I pay for every single thing. It's like, no, you don't. I pay for the. I paid the down payment, and then I also paid the property taxes on this place and all the bills. And he's like, yeah, but I pay the mortgage, and I pay everything. And he hadn't been paying for all that kind of. What a.

[Larz Marie]

What a piece of shit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did they sell the house? Do you know what they ended up doing with the house?

[Larz Marie]

I don't. I think she's still in the house, but she said their mortgage went from $8,000 a month to 18,000 because of his, like, unpaid bills and taxes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God.

[Larz Marie]

I know. It's true. It's awful.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just disgusting, man. So we see the upcoming season preview, and it looks pretty good.

[Larz Marie]

Yeah, I'm not mad at it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Jax is back, which sucks, but it'll be more entertaining. And also, they brought that. The honey guy on, which I think is good.

[Larz Marie]

Yeah, we definitely need more from him. And Jesse and Michelle are gonna keep fighting over whether or not she cheated. The honey guy is gonna have crazy eyes. And I hope we do see Jax, like, bottom out and go back to the second rehab. I hope it, like, at least follows that a little bit.

[Ronnie Karam]

So was the first rehab the one he didn't stay the whole time, or did he stay the whole time for the first time and then leave the second time?

[Larz Marie]

I think both. He didn't stay the whole time, but he might have stayed longer at the second one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, because I remember one he stayed at, like, 10 days or something. And then the. I think he. I think he completed one and didn't. I mean, I don't know. It's like, keeping up with Jax's lies.

[Larz Marie]

Hard to keep up with him. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because his PR person's very good, too. Lori, what are they saying? They're just good because all the articles that come out about Jax are like, oh, poor Jax. You know, Jax finally realized he had a mental health issue, and now he's taking care of it, and he's loved his son, he lives for his son, and na, na, na, na, na, na. And then, I don't know that they're so smart putting him on this, like, podcast and podcast tour or whatever. Whatever the hell that is.

[Larz Marie]

But who believes this, like, true? Like, what percentage of viewers and, like, fans of the franchise do you think actually believe that? He's, like, a changed man and he's sober and, like, a great father.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just read so many Comments online that are like, you know, poor Jax, look what Brittany did to him. She's such a user. You know, she went all the way to Vegas to meet him and just get on this show, which maybe that did happen. I don't. I don't know. But. And then she used him and she got what he want she wanted. And then right when she got what she wanted, she dumped him and tried to make him look like a villain. And nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I mean, they come for Britney pretty hard. Now, those aren't our con. Those aren't on our comments. But, like, if I'm reading, you know, Reddit or, like, regular.

[Larz Marie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And not all of Reddit. Most of Reddit, most of the subs I subscribe to don't believe that. But you'll go into some random subs or, you know, where it's really bad. And I feel like it's always really bad. Facebook, Instagram.

[Larz Marie]

Oh, yo, Facebook.

[Ronnie Karam]

Still commenting on there are so scary. I mean, really talk about the opposite takes on every show.

[Larz Marie]

I just don't see how you could even watch this and be fooled for a second of what is truly going on with Jax.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't either.

[Larz Marie]

That guy's. That's just me.

[Ronnie Karam]

That guy's a disgusting human being. But I'm excited for the rest of the season. Disgusting. It has been so much fun talking to you. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me here, Lars.

[Larz Marie]

Oh, my God. My pleasure.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love ya.

[Larz Marie]

Love you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's get out of here, eh? Everybody, thanks so much for being here. Go check out sexy, unique podcasts and follow Larzmarie on Instagram. That's Larz Marie. And check out their Patreon because. And just like that, recaps are coming starting this week. Also, get your tickets for Seattle, June 12th and the 19th in Los Angeles for Watch what Crappens. We'll talk to you guys next time.

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