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Ben Mandelker
Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap. So then this lady Petra, who's like the head of Grenada tourism comes out and she's like, welcome to Grenada. But they didn't like her, which was sad. So she's just like, welcome to Grenada.
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Ronnie Karam
She's speaking through like a margarita glass, like, welcome to Grenada. Sorry, low budge, low budge, guys.
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Ben Mandelker
She's like, sorry, I'm. I can't project any further. I'm preserving my voice. Do we have any turmeric ginger turmeric tea here for the tourism board president? No.
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Ronnie Karam
Right. So one van is Portia, Brit, Shamia, and Kelly. And they're having fun and taking a shot and giggling. And Kelly's like, oh, Phaedra, I love it. Somebody's fun size here. I love it. This is going to be the best girls trip ever. Reset. Renew. Re, Sparkle. And then we go to the other van and it's Drew, Angela, Cynthia, and Phaedra. And no one's speaking. And Angela's just looking out the window stiffly, like $2.7 million into it. 2.7.
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Ben Mandelker
She's like, maybe I should just stay here and just forget about my debt. Cynthia Bailey who is now seemingly on every single Bravo show. She's everywhere because she's on. She was on Love Hotel later in the evening. She also. I saw pictures of her at WeHo Pride yesterday, because Meredith Marks did a DJ set over the weekend. Love it.
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Ronnie Karam
I was at Pride, but, God, it's so hot. And honestly, the floats didn't make very much effort this year. It's just mostly people from banks walking in straight lines. And I was like, where's the creativity? Gay people, okay, We've taken it too easy at this point. The Gay Pride parade, Like, the people themselves were floats. Like, everybody would dress so crazy and get so creative. And yesterday, it was just, like, a lot of bad T shirts marching. I was like, what is this, a food court? Like, what are people even doing here? But I ended up stopping. We walked all the way from Michael's house, but then we ended up stopping at Barney's Beanery and ended up just staying there the whole day, which is probably the least gay thing that we could have done. So I didn't even make it down to see, like, Paris Hilton and Meredith Marks. Meredith Marks. I regret it now.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, well, don't regret it, because I'm sure Meredith Marks will have more DJ gigs coming up because she's gonna be playing Coachella soon. Just give her a bathtub and put it on the stage. Time I can rip it up.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah, I saw clips of her, and I really like that. Meredith Marks is not pretending to be a real dj. She's. She's not, like, going moving levels up and down and, like, you know, wiggy wigging or whatever. She's just, like. She's got her arm in the air, and she's just like, yeah, it's music playing, right? Yeah. Hey, listen, I learned how to rhyme bath with bath.
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Ben Mandelker
I'm really sad I was not there for it. I was still. I landed last night at 6, so I missed. I miss Pride.
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Ronnie Karam
I.
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Ben Mandelker
To be fair, I didn't realize that Pride was yesterday until I saw all the pictures, and I was like, oh.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah, David, it was bad publicity for Pride this year. I didn't know.
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Ben Mandelker
But I. But, you know, sometimes I feel like. You know, I feel like Bravo is home to so many gay icons, like, so many of the Real Housewives. But I feel like in WeHo, they really only care about Drag Race, which is great. Drag Race is wonderful. But, like, there's more in the reality TV world of that. There's. There's more to, like, reality, gay reality TV icons than Drag Race. So the fact that someone said, you know what? Let's have Meredith Marks do a DJ set at Pride. Whoever did that was like, so brilliant. Like, that is just the smartest thing you could ever do. First of all, I love that Bravo was being represented at Pride, but also, like, who had that out of the box idea of like, let's get Meredith Marks and let's have her DJ a set between Paris Hilton.
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Ronnie Karam
She's like, she's great. Doing it all over now. Yeah, so go, girl. You go, girl.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, you go, girl. So back to these ladies. So they show up and still talking, basically, yeah.
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Ronnie Karam
Phaedra's like, so who's beefing? Where's the beef? Just tell me what's going on. And so Drew's like, well. And they're like, well, Drew, Drew. Angela says Drew has beef with everybody. And Drew's like, well, I mean, I wouldn't say everybody. I mean, I'm really getting along very well with Ginger and Turmeric.
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Ben Mandelker
Those are good. Phaedra's like, I don't know a lot about Dru. She's a child actress or some kind of actress. She's been in a lot of black movies. That's. That's all I really know. All I know is she was not on the trailers and did not light up all of pop culture for one fabulous winter in 2024. But that's fine.
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Ronnie Karam
I don't think she's done any Doritos commercials. I know she goes, what was she on Soul Train? Well, Phaedra just comes back swinging at everything.
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Ben Mandelker
Well, she doesn't have a lot of time. I mean, I feel like there's only going to be like three episodes left. I was actually surprised that they brought her back as a full on housewife with a tagline and everything. I thought she was just gonna be a friend of for the final few episodes.
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Ronnie Karam
No, I think they're treading water a little bit. I think the season started out so well and now it's getting like, it's like lowest ratings ever. Lowest ratings over the next week. Lowest ratings. So I think they're just like, help, whatever we can do.
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Ben Mandelker
Well, because I, you know, I, you know, I always say this. My theory is always that if they ever have to, like, lose someone mid season or they lose someone right at the top of the season, it messes up everything. Like the, the chemistry because they plan a whole that I believe that they carefully plan and calibrate a season around who they have and they figure out what the beats are that they want. And like, how they want to sort of, like, engineer everything to go. I mean, they don't ever know completely how it's going to go, but I think that that's what they do. And then when. Whenever they have to, like, they lose a piece that's a scramble. It always comes off as kind of uneven. And I feel like what we saw was the. The. I still really like the season, but, like, the. The first part of the season before Kenya left was really, really, really strong. And now since she's left, to me, it's still been entertaining and fun, but it has definitely not been as tight as it was at the top.
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Ronnie Karam
Well, they're still fighting over portions or it's still the same thing going on. Yeah, they definitely needed a kick in the pants. So reset. Renew. Rebirth, ladies. So Grenada, chapter one. Reset. And they go to where they're staying, and there's, like, people performing outside and.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
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Ronnie Karam
Still on stilts. And a lot of, like.
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Ben Mandelker
A lot of, like, body oil and glitter. So it was. It was a whole big thing. It was fun. It's exciting. And they're all enjoying all these men, you know, dancing around, etc. And then it's now they, like, go into their. Into the house, and they're going to be playing a game before they move into their rooms, of course, because Real Housewives.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. So who's going to share rooms together? Dun, dun, dun. So I want you guys to be sharing rooms with people you normally wouldn't share rooms with. So we're going to play a game.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. So then we see that, like, Kelly and Shamia, they're gonna be rooming together, and we see their villas at Villa, and it's really nice and. Or actually, I'm sorry, I got. I got messed up in the order here. First they sit down and they're gonna. They find out who they're rooming with, and then they're gonna be taking shots. And the shots have numbers under them, and the numbers are going to correspond to the rooms that they're going to stay in.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. So Britney is gonna stay with Phaedra Parks. She's like, I'm so excited. I'm Gonna stay with Ms. Phaedra Parks. Oh, just you wait, because I have a feeling Phaedra's gonna rip a new one on this. On this chick. And she's like, oh, I love a stranger. And Brit Edie, she looks like a party.
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Ben Mandelker
And Shamia is like, angela, who do you think you're. And Angela's like Portia. And that's exactly right. They're going to room together. And Angela says, I have no problem sharing a room with Portia because Charles's home, safe at home, so why not? Let's have a ball.
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Ronnie Karam
And Drew and Cynthia are going to stay together. And who else? Shamia. Shamia gets her own, I guess.
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Ben Mandelker
No, Shamia and whoever. Who's the other host of the party?
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Ronnie Karam
Kelly.
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Ben Mandelker
Kelly. They're. They're together because they're the hosts.
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Ronnie Karam
So Cynthia. And this goes on for a long time to see who's gonna get the better bedroom in their suite. And one has two beds that are small and one has a king size bed. So Drew wins the arm wrestle, but then she decides to give it to Cynthia to be nice.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
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Ronnie Karam
But also because that's the only person that likes her. So. Yeah, try and keep that guy.
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Ben Mandelker
Exactly. This goes on for a long time. It's a long time. Choosing the rooms like, it's. It's shockingly long. So then they have got, like, they've got 30 minutes to get changed, they're gonna go out to dinner, etc. So that's. That's the plan. And then they're talking to, like, the chef and everything about, like the chicken and pepper sauce and all this stuff. And Kelly's saying how Portia's looking for. For a man. So I guess she's. Yeah.
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Ronnie Karam
With the chef scene. And then Shamia and Kelly are talking about Port and Shamiya's like, I mean, I just don't understand Portia. I mean, I just don't understand Drew's thing, you know, I mean, she comes out here, she tags me on Instagram saying, be careful of people that create imaginary beef. Like, I just don't get it. Why would she. At me? I'm so confused. I mean, do you want me to be mad? You want me to be happy? Like, are we friends or we not? Do you not remember going on the radio last week and excoriorate. Excorior. Excoriating her? Like, what the. Like, that shimmy is always so innocent. She's like, I just don't.
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Ben Mandelker
What. Why would she do that? And Shamia's like, yeah, I mean, Drew Nokio. That's her name. Drew Nokio. And Kelly's like, well, maybe you guys can talk about it though. She's like, what? She's like, what are we fitting to talk about? She's like, you know, just kind of like, release it. Release it out into Grenada.
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Ronnie Karam
We'll do it at the same time. We drop, you know, Cracker Jacks at The poor people on the freeway. So then Drew and Cynthia are talking about how hard it is to be divorced. And, well, first they talk about, who's a Taurus. Drew's a Taurus. And she's like, you know what? Tauruses are very, very loyal. And Cynthia's like, oh, yes. Well, my friend Amsterdam is a Taurus. So Drew keeps trying to talk about how hard it is to be with Ralph, and Cynthia keeps trying to turn it into, I'm dating a hot, young man, and I understand the pain you're going through, which has everything to do with me dating a hot man. I'm not really sure how it's correlating, but it's really funny that Cynthia's just trying to get it in there.
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Ben Mandelker
I was waiting for Drew to admit that when every time she mentioned the word Taurus, she was actually referring to her real car that she drives when she's not filming the show. I'm a Taurus. I'm a total Taurus.
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Ronnie Karam
And she's like, yeah, well, they are loyal because Amsterdam's loyal. Andrew's, like, very passionate. We're very passionate people. She goes, oh, so passionate. He's so affectionate. He loves holding my hands. And so Cynthia's like, I'm ready to introduce my young, hot man to the world.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. She says, I'm not keeping Amsterdam's identity secret. I just. I'm just not sharing my guests, because I can sense that all of America is dying to find out who Cynthia's latest disaster of a love interest is going to be.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. And I love. She's like, I'm not announcing it. You're on television, and you said his name 15 times in five minutes.
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Ben Mandelker
And you're like, I'm not keeping his identity a secret. But yet his face is totally blurred out. Yeah. He's very tall, has long treads, great kisser, wonderful lover. He has his own coffee brand and a few bars called Bar One. And Bar One. It's actually Peter. It's Peter, and it's theater Peter and a dreads hat.
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Ronnie Karam
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Ben Mandelker
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Ronnie Karam
So now Drew's like, oh, gosh. And then, you know, now Phaedra. I mean, now Portia and Shamia went to film with Ralph and that's just tit for tat. Like, what's it to be? Spiteful. What was it?
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Ben Mandelker
Spiteful.
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Ronnie Karam
There's no reason for you to film together. She's like, well, Portia likes to lick back.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. So just like, I mean, our conversation, I mean, it only lasted 15 minutes and I'm just lucky it was that short because they didn't have any ginger. Ginger turmeric tea. I would have lost my voice for the next three weeks had it gone any longer than that.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. So, you know, now everyone's getting ready for nighttime Shamia facetimes Gerald, and she still doesn't have her luggage. And he's like, you do have your Bible, right? Please say you have your Bible.
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Ben Mandelker
She's like, thankfully I decided to bring my Weber grill as carry on so I can still cook under some underpasses.
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Ronnie Karam
I brought my Bible flat top so I can actually read and plug it in and cook a burger on there. So we're gonna be fine.
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Ben Mandelker
So then Britt is like, oh my God, there's a guy. There's a naked man across the way. They're very excited cause there's a man standing in a window across the way fully naked. So they're all like rushing out to the balcony to see. See if they can see him. And I feel like they didn't. I feel like they just quite. They missed him, I think. I don't know.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah, they missed him.
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Ben Mandelker
That's exciting for them. And now they all gather for. They all gather for together and they're com. Of course they're complimenting each other, everyone's clothing, etc and Kelly's using tongs to grab glasses from the. From the top shelf, which is very novel. Although I feel like dangerous. I feel like it's really just one slip away from a glass disaster on the countertop.
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Ronnie Karam
Metal on glass. Scary. That was scary.
- [21:48]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, that was a little scary. Yeah.
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Ronnie Karam
So then Phaedra's like, oh, well, let me know when I can come with the body. Why did she say that? I forget why she said it, but they start talking about her funeral business.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. And then Cynthia's nipple pops out. And then like, oh, and Cynthia's like, my nipple is no stranger to Phaedra. And then they show a flashback to 2017 where she flashes Phaedra. It's basically like they're. They're clearly stretching the content to get to the end of the episode. You know, they're like, okay, we're just going to try to fill out our episode order. Right now we're just throwing in flashbacks and moments that no one remembered or cared about. We're going to throw.
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Ronnie Karam
You know what's really going to get this audience on fire talking about embalming dead people. Let's do it. So Phaedra's like, yeah, you know, that guy taught me how to embalm. And Shamia's like, I want to know how to do that. You know, I want to see how they do that. Can I come with you? And she goes, it's a lot of blood and brains.
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Ben Mandelker
And then we have a flashback to 2012 when she was doing. I can't believe it's actually already been 13 years since Phaedra went into the funeral business. It feels like it was yesterday that this, this storyline happened. But hey, you know what? They're still going out going for it. I mean, I thought it was like a one season fake storyline, but they, I think she.
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Ronnie Karam
I think it's actively. Phaedrus kept this business for all these years, and it's the weirdest one we've ever had on any of these shows. And that it seems still going. And I like her first season. She's like, well, people don't like that I have a funeral business, but you've always got customers and you do. People just keep on dying.
- [23:24]
Ben Mandelker
So Kelly asks if the bodies move, and Phaedra goes, well, anybody, when anybody dies, they're going to have a last breath and a last poop and sh. Like, has there ever been a hard dick? And they're like, ah. So meanwhile, the other car, they're all talking about this in the car and the other. And then in the other car, it's like Portia yawning and they're bored.
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Ronnie Karam
They hate each other. That car is making no Effort. So then we go back to more funeral talk, and they're like, please tell me that you've seen a dead person with a boner, please. It's like, no, I haven't seen a boner on anybody dead.
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Ben Mandelker
So they arrive at the table. Angela announces that this is her eight year wedding anniversary with Charles, but she's here instead. And I'm sure Charles literally does not even care. He's still gonna. He's still cooking up like 30,000 corns on the cob. He's like, well, it's my wedding anniversary. So I decided to make more cob than more corn than usual. And they. They start to order and everything. And Portia's like. Portia's saying, wow, she's on a trip with a crew of divorcees and she's celebrating her wedding anniversary. Nah, girl, this ain't it. So.
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Ronnie Karam
And they're like, well, what about the dingling guy across the way? And Phaedra's like, well, I wanted to see his dingling, but I didn't see it. And Portia's like, well, maybe he's a masseuse and that's why he's naked. What kind of masseuse do you have?
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Ben Mandelker
Wait, why did that happen? Why would that. I mean, if you see a naked person, I wouldn't automatically assume that they're a masseuse. Also masseuses for a woman. So then Kelly's like, well, I wonder if he has happy endings. And then they start talking about never having happy endings, which made me immediately think about Vicky on Real Housewives of Orange county, talking about how if you, like, move your toe into your kneecap, it's a signal to masseurs that they're supposed to give the lady a happy ending. Oh, at least it is in Vicki's world. I don't know if that's actually a confirmed signal, but it's what Vicky does.
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Ronnie Karam
I just can't imagine the poor person that has to give Vicky a happy ending. That is fucking terrifying. Do you remember when she was selling her clothes on Poshmark and people were posting the reviews on Reddit, and people would be like, this showed up wrinkled and smelled like bo. Like, Vicki wouldn't even wash her clothes. She would just wear them once, throw them into a box, and ship them out on the posh? No, I don't. I'm not happy ending that person.
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Ben Mandelker
Ship it out on the Posh. So then they're joking about, like, Kelly getting happy endings and everything. And Phaedra's like, I don't know where Kelly's getting these massages, but it sounds like it might be on a dark alley downtown on a back street with a little man with shades on. I was like, wow, you're really getting specific about this.
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Ronnie Karam
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Ben Mandelker
And the horn eats bugles to bugles and gives massages.
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Ronnie Karam
Listens to AM radio, but isn't political.
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Ben Mandelker
Watched the first three seasons of Homeland but then gave up. Couldn't deal with the theme music anymore.
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Ronnie Karam
Smells like lavender, but only uses truck stop soap.
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Ben Mandelker
Loves a thousand grand bars. He's the 1,000 grand bars.
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Ronnie Karam
Okay, so now they do a tears and everything. And so Kelly tries to start some. She's like, I'm so happy to hear that, Drew. You know, Drew's willing to put things aside with Shamia, so maybe we should do that. And so Kelly's like, whatever the situation is, I think you're both bigger and better than that. And I'm wearing a fishnet see through dress with nipple covers because it's my peace outfit.
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Ben Mandelker
This is my peace outfit. So Drew's like, sorry, preserving my voice for some singing gig I'm gonna have at some point in my life. Okay. Honestly? Yeah. Like, if you do have an issue with me, I would like to clear the air. So Shamia says, well, I did attempt to clear the air at Britt's, and you stood ten toes down and called me a lap dog. Then you posted that we had this imaginary beef, and if you call me a lap dog, girl, we have a beef. It is a real beef. So Drew's like, well, do you remember that you took back information that was incorrect, and that is why I called you a lap dog? Shamia goes, well, a lap dog wouldn't have invited you to my session, would she have?
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Ronnie Karam
Oh, Lord. So a, you have been a lap dog. Sometimes. I'm sorry, but the Internet agrees. Okay, the jury's in. Okay. And second, Drew, you did say exactly what she told Portia that you said you said it. And they even show a clip of her being like, well, whatever. You know this. All of these songs that we're recording could pay for PJ's college one day. And then that's what she repeated. So you did say it. So stop saying she's taking information that's incorrect. So this fight needs to end. This fight's too boring.
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Ben Mandelker
So Shamia's like, look what what y' all say behind each other's back. You're damn right I'm Gonna run it back. Because I don't like fake friendships, okay? I'm not a lapdog. I only run information back to my friend. Cause she tells me I have to, okay? And look, I'm not messing with you, okay? But then I'm also. I'm gonna go talk about it on social. Social media, okay? Run and tell me that, okay? Cause I'm right here. I'm right here. So now Drew's like.
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Ronnie Karam
Drew's like, okay, well, a hit dog. And holler. And she's like, and now you're calling me a dog. Now you're calling me a dog? Hit dog gonna holler is a saying. And how come you didn't get mad about the dog portion of it? Just a minute ago, it was just lap dog. It didn't really change that much.
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Ben Mandelker
Cause the lap dog was not being abused.
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Ronnie Karam
The lapdog. But now it's better than the hit dog.
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Ben Mandelker
I guess the lap dog got hit. So she's like, oh, oh, okay, well, you're gonna call me a dog. She can kiss my ass. And Drew's like, the energy is so turned up. And Phaedra goes, well, you didn't really mean to call her a dog. So then Drew goes, well, she was at the table barking. I'm like, okay, so you actually are dogged down.
- [29:21]
Ronnie Karam
Yeah, now you do.
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Ben Mandelker
Now you went from metaphor to insult.
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Ronnie Karam
You had us on your side when you kept it metaphorical. Okay? So Portia's like, yeah, well, Shamia can be crazy. And then we flash back to the country club, where Shamia was literally barking at Drew.
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Ben Mandelker
So Shamia goes, yes, I did bark, but can you be honest about stuff? Because it's called accountability. It's like, yes, I may bark, but you can't be accountable. Which is kind of a funny sentence. And Kelly's like, drew, you can't say anything when. When that bitch bites. Now you. You can't say nothing. When that bitch bites. Now you bitch. You now bitch. Am I saying this correctly? So Drew goes, I was simply saying that the music is a blessing because this is the way that he feels he can help take care of his daughter. And the more you make me defend this point is the fewer notes I'll be able to hit, because I have not been able to spot a single ginger turmeric tea on this island.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. And so Portia's like, well, I think why she meals mad is because she's been called a lap dog, and she deserves an apology for that. And so Angela, you know, which. Duh. But Drew's like, what? What? What did I do? And Angela's like, yeah, but we do take offense also if we're having an intimate conversation with you that you run in Tattletale. Which is funny coming from Angela, because that's literally what Angela does too.
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Ben Mandelker
There was one episode where she went from, like, three different groups and told them, like, she was the true bone carrier in that episode.
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Ronnie Karam
All from her rental, all from her, like, investment properties because she wouldn't let anybody shoot on her regular property.
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Ben Mandelker
So then Phaedra goes, let's be very clear. Did you really? Which is a very Karen Huger thing to say. Let me be very clear. She goes, did you really think you were having an intimate conversation with Shamia about her best friend? Portia's like, and that's what I'm trying to get at. See? And Brandja goes, portia, nobody is prying into your friendship. These are just grievances that she holds towards you that she related to us. So Shamia's like, well, then tell me the grievances that I relayed to you.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah, and. Which we've already done for weeks. You know what I mean? And you said them all, so move on. So Portia's like, well, you know, I just thought we made up already. So I just found it odd that everyone was asking her questions about her friendship and not asking me, but they did. I think they did ask you. Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
Kelly tries to be messy here. She goes, well, do you feel like you've been a good friend to Shamia? And Portia's like, I already had the conversation. It's over. We moved on. She's like, no, we're not gonna do this. So Kelly's like, but you said for everyone to ask you, so I'm asking you. It is kind of funny, because Portia's like, if you have a question about me and. Me and Shamia's relationship, ask me. Okay, I've got a question. Uh, we already talked about it.
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Ronnie Karam
How dare you ask me? Well, how dare you?
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Ben Mandelker
That is so Portia.
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Ronnie Karam
But Shamia loves that Portia has seen, stood up to the ladies and said, no, I will not discuss my relationship with Shamia. That's all Shamia wanted and, you know, decent under the freeway power outlet, so she didn't have to carry around tiny.
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Ben Mandelker
Gas canisters and, you know, maybe some fresh clothing. So Kelly's like. She's like, portia, at the end of the day, that's your friendship, and you get nothing for nothing. You said. You said y' all move past It. And since you are the star of the show, I will move past it because I understand. I understand the hierarchy here. We should all be able to move past it too. Now, Drew, if we can move past it, then let's move past it as a group. So, Drew, I feel like you have an issue with everyone at the table except for Cynthia. And Drew's like, what?
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Ronnie Karam
What?
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Ben Mandelker
It's like, no, everyone's having an issue with you, Drew.
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Ronnie Karam
And she's like, portia, I don't have an issue with Portia. Portia has an issue with me. And Portia's like, ah, it takes energy to have an issue, and I don't have an issue. Andrea's like, uh huh. I mean, I'm coming in peace. I'm coming in peace. I just don't want to argue. It's. It's just so taxing on my chords. And she's like, well, okay, I didn't use the best words in the beginning. You want to have this conversation again? Can somebody bring her some black tea? No, ginger and turmeric, please. So they have this conversation a fucking. Again, I cannot take any more of this. I'm fast forwarding. So then they try to make up. And basically Drew's like, well, thank you for kind of apologizing. And I just want to acknowledge because I never heard you take any responsibility. So thank you. Thank you for saying you didn't handle it in the best way.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, they kind of get to an uneasy truce where they're like, yeah, okay. And, you know, they sort of apologize for. It's like a little tense for a moment, but then it kind of eases up. And Portia's like, yeah, she's like, I just didn't like the way that you moved.
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Ronnie Karam
But you know what?
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Ben Mandelker
I don't wanna.
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Ronnie Karam
I don't know.
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Ben Mandelker
I'm literally done with this conversation. And Drew's like, okay, so it's misunderstanding. And I just want to say thank you. Thank you for. For saying that, because I haven't heard you say that yet.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah, and then it gets serious again because Portia's like, well, I mean, I don't have expectations on a friendship with you. And I was telling you that day when you brought up that I'm dating Bleep and all these other things. Andrew's like, but you drop. You brought up that I was dating black. And she's like, no, but you said I was dating Bleep. No, but you said I was dating black. So it becomes that again. And Porsche's like, I'm just saying, if you're dating a guy named Black, why did you let it go so far? Just say, no, I'm not. I'm not with Dennis. I'm with Black. It's like, I'm not with Black.
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Ben Mandelker
No. That was such warped logic, too. Like, why didn't you shut down the rumors if you were rumored to be dating another person instead? It's like, but if she's not dating either of them, it doesn't make sense. Portia. So finally, Portia says, okay, well, he lied. I hear you. It's like, thank you. Like, Dennis is the one who caused all these issues in the first place. So everyone's like, oh, thank God. So now Brit has decided that she wants to make this her moment. She goes, can I speak? I would like to. I would like to pilot a feud with Phaedra Parks, please.
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Ronnie Karam
Okay, so she's talking crystal right now. Okay, could you shove it up your fucking nose and clear some blockages? Maybe the rose quartz will help. You're making me crazy, lady.
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Ben Mandelker
So, since we're all here, speaking of things that we feel may be inappropriate with ex husbands or baby daddies, I just want to personally say to you, Phaedra Parks, at my event, Apollo and his wife were invited. Oh, my God. My phone is going off. Hold on one second. Excuse me. Spam. I just want to apologize.
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Ronnie Karam
So. Okay. Scam likely has the talking crystal. All right, give it back.
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Ben Mandelker
Okay. I want to apologize to the audience, first and foremost, as we're talking about this, that my phone went off. But also, I was a Phaedra. Apollo was at my party. He was not fed, so don't worry. And I did not realize. But if you want to be mad at him and start a fight that we can have through the rest of the season, I'm totally okay with that.
- [36:27]
Ronnie Karam
There was no malicious intent. And if it makes you feel better, I gave Shirin an extra large bare naked, because that's what I do to bitches I hate. And I'm just like, wait a minute.
- [36:40]
Ben Mandelker
So Phaedra is like, I just got out of marriage medicine where they tried to pull these shenanigans. I am not gonna cater to them again. So she's like, I'm not sure why Brit is bringing up Apollo. I mean, that's not my husband. He's married to someone else. I could care less.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. And so she's like, I don't care. So then Kelly takes back the talking crystal, and everybody's just like, shut up, Brit. You know, because it's so obvious. Shamila's like, read the room, for Christ's sake. Like, you know, no one's even talking about that anymore. What we are talking about is that we all left your party hungry.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, precisely. So they all pretty much toast. And, you know, Kelly does the whole thing of, like, I love that we're able to recognize how it makes us feel as women, this conversation. It makes us feel as women. As moms, as wives, as ex wives, as people who make waffles. And I'm just happy that we could at least set our boundaries, set the tone and move forward. Because guess what? We leave that shit at this table until tomorrow when we all bring it up again for the rest of the.
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Ronnie Karam
Season until we talk about Drew filming with Dennis again tomorrow.
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Ben Mandelker
Okay.
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Ronnie Karam
And the next day. And the next day. That was a fun one. That's so good to have you back.
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Ben Mandelker
Oh, thanks for having me back and thanks to Kempire who filled in while I was gone, and thanks to everyone who is here listening right now. And thank you to that caller. Thank you to that spam person who called in the middle of that. That was fun. So that's it. So go to our website, watchwithcraftpins.com. get your tickets to our shows in Seattle and LA. We better see you there. Okay, we better see you there and we'll catch you on the next episode. Bye, everyone.
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Ronnie Karam
Bye.
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At 24, I lost my narrative. Or rather, it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks both recognizable and unrecognizable names and about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up, they connected with the people that I'm talking to, and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful. Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.