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Ronnie Karam
Happens when there's so much happens. Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode.
Ben Mandelker
Grant is questioning Wale. He's 38. Ralph is 61. And Ashley's like, so something we talked about as children. And I love this thing with Ashley is hilarious to me. So she tells Wale, so Wale, I.
Cynthia Bailey
Mean, do you want children? And he goes, sure. When?
Ben Mandelker
Probably in a few years.
Cynthia Bailey
A few years? That's so long.
Ben Mandelker
He's like, okay, like in a week. Then she goes, oh, my God.
Cynthia Bailey
Wale wants my children in a week. Well, I can't date Wale. It's so hard having children with a man.
Ben Mandelker
Like, you have two children at home, Ashley. Okay, are we forgetting that any man you're gonna be with is already gonna be a father to your children?
Ronnie Karam
Yeah, she keeps moving the goalposts when it comes to the children stuff. And then, then Brandon asks like, well.
Ashley Darby
How do you feel about being a stepdaddy, both of you?
Ronnie Karam
And Wally's like, well, it would depend on the children. I mean, do the children like me? Like, that's a big factor.
Ashley Darby
And she's like, oh, my God.
Ronnie Karam
And then Ralph is like, you know, I dated women with children. I got kids. But you just have to work that out, see if it works out or not. So it's his non answer answer. She goes, yeah.
Ashley Darby
Wow, that's hot. Well, should we play a little game. Okay. This is a game called this or that. It's where you say two options, and then the person's pick one of the options. Okay, this, this or that.
Ronnie Karam
It's a really advanced game.
Ashley Darby
Mountain or beach?
Ben Mandelker
Wally wants mountain, Ralph wants beach, and Ashley wants beach, which means she's going to end up with Ralph, because that's a huge one. So Brad's like, do you want a really great sex? Are really great date night. And Ralph wants sex. And while they also want sex, okay, so then Ashley wants a great date because that's longer lasting.
Cynthia Bailey
She's like, most sex lasts three minutes.
Ben Mandelker
And they're like, what? And Wally is like, yeah, then you definitely need good sex. You should have answered sex.
Ashley Darby
Excuse me. I was wondering if I could join in on this game of this or that, which is also a game I play when I go to a cocktail party and I decide cocktail, weenie or tortilla gin? This or that. I know. Notice that one of the options was mountain or beach. I can't help but notice that when I played this game with Earl, his options were lake and Lake. Were we playing it wrong?
Cynthia Bailey
He said lake and in and out. So I'm not really sure.
Ashley Darby
He said lake or Cheddar's.
Ronnie Karam
What is Cheddar's?
Ben Mandelker
He.
Ashley Darby
Is he trying to push a cheese agenda on me, or is that an actual dining establishment?
Ben Mandelker
Cynthia is still questioning Mark, and he does brownstones in New York City. He restores brownstones. His last relationship was over six years or over a year ago, and that lasted six years ago. And he will not say how young she was because she was young. This is a. Yeah. They keep trying to get around this, but he's not. So then they move on to Mitch, who. I mean, I don't care. I'm not paying attention to Nick, to Mitch. So Cynthia's like. Luann's like, well, Mitch wants to be a Globetrotter. That's hot. So then James chimes in. He's like, who is Cynthia? Say it again.
Ronnie Karam
Who is Mitch, by the way? I love that Mitch is a Globetrotter. Now, who is this man? It's like he's sitting right here. He's been on the entire episode.
Ben Mandelker
The Globetrotters are fantastic. You know, they are actually considered cabaret performers.
Ronnie Karam
They live in Harlem. So James.
Ben Mandelker
But.
Ronnie Karam
I didn't even know there was a place above the Upper east side. But turns out that's where all these Globetrotters live.
Ben Mandelker
So James has his body raped, draped. Sorry, that was a really weird.
Ronnie Karam
That's a bad.
Ben Mandelker
That was a whoopsie draped around Cynthia. And Cynthia is kind of looking grossed out.
Cynthia Bailey
And so he's like, all right, two questions. Would you consider New York as a third place, or you consider a third leg as a good boyfriend? Because I got both of them.
Ronnie Karam
And Mitch is like, well, I would consider anywhere on the planet to move to.
Ashley Darby
And James is like, well, okay, but can you. Do you think that you really love her? Do you think that you could love her the way she deserves to be loved?
Ronnie Karam
Mark is like, okay, are you gonna shut up? James, be a gentleman. Don't hang on my girlfriend with the way you are. Okay, James. You know what, James? Compose yourself, okay? Don't have your arm around Cynthia. You're here for me. She's not your girlfriend. She's mine. Why the fuck did the bellhop bring a former model on here? Current model, I should say. God damn it. I'm supposed to be the star.
Ben Mandelker
Listen, you may have been to Amsterdam, but you're never going to. Cynthia. Back the away. Back the away, James.
Cynthia Bailey
He's like, well, but I'm. I didn't mean anything. I'm not. You're right. You're right to go.
Ben Mandelker
You better get your hand down. Get a Put. Put your hand in your pocket and pretend you've got some change in there. That is disgusting. That. How dare.
Cynthia Bailey
You're right. I'm sorry, Luann.
Ronnie Karam
Well, I hope you get those hands out of Lake Bailey, because I don't know where I was going with that. I just wanted to say Lake Bailey. Anyway, the point is, be a gentleman. So, Luann, I love that she just totally scolds James, and she should have, by the way. And I'm glad that she did, because he was all over Cynthia, and Cynthia did not seem to be happy about it.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, Cynthia's like, I'll move over. I'll just move over here. So then she gets told off, and now Joel brings everybody back together. He's like. Like, I can't wait to hear how the mixer went.
Ronnie Karam
All right, everyone grab a seat. So, Ms. Cynthia Bailey, give me the rundown. And so she's like, well, Mitch was great, and I love that he's at peace with his life. And I feel like James and Luann have undeniable, insane, obsessive chemistry, despite the fact that he was groping my backside. But I feel like I want to.
Ashley Darby
Get to know Mark a little bit more.
Ronnie Karam
I want to know what causes a man to have Santa styling but Aladdin fashion. So I choose Mark.
Ben Mandelker
Basic gay what did you think of the Ashley verse? What did you think of Ashley in the Ashley verse? Are you Ashley versing with the citizens of Ashley verse?
Ronnie Karam
Well, my choice for Ashley is Ralph, because we all know she can't get over her daddy issues. Okay. All right, Good, good.
Ben Mandelker
Ashley loves a little bit of rosacea. Okay, so Ralph it is.
Ronnie Karam
Let's go. All right, so, Cal, what about you? And Cal's like, giselle likes money, so Phil, like, okay. And Sophie, Netaline.
Ben Mandelker
Who.
Ronnie Karam
Of the one people.
Ben Mandelker
Who.
Ronnie Karam
Of the one people that is currently interested in Shannon. Would you like to go on a date with Shannon?
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. And they're like, well, you know, my mom, like, always takes care of other people, so I think she needs someone who can take care of her. And that would be Earl.
Cynthia Bailey
Like, really? What is he gonna do? Like, put Alti on a cut? Like, what is the man gonna honestly be able to do?
Ashley Darby
I mean, at this point, I'm. I'd be willing to date the valet over here. I mean, it's just. The options are dwindling.
Ben Mandelker
Okay, so the dates have been chosen. There are some cooking dates, guys. Cooking dates coming up. Let's see what these men are made of. Ashley's going to mixology class. Giselle is going to pastry class. Shannon, Guacamole class. And Luann.
Ronnie Karam
Paella class.
Ben Mandelker
That's right.
Ronnie Karam
And as we all know, that's a class where you eat pies and sing Rihanna songs. Go. So then.
Ben Mandelker
So mythology class with Ashley and Ralph, and they do that.
Cynthia Bailey
Ashley's like, it's all in the rest.
Ben Mandelker
He's like, tell me about it, honey. So they drink their stuff, and Ralph goes, wow. Daddy like.
Cynthia Bailey
She goes, oh, my God.
Ben Mandelker
Brant's like, did you say daddy like? He goes, yeah. He goes, wow. He said daddy, like, I don't. I don't know about. I'm never gonna live that one down.
Cynthia Bailey
Huh?
Ronnie Karam
Brandon's like, this guy is so disgusting, saying daddy. Like. Ash is like, oh, my God.
Ashley Darby
Take me to the closet right now. Let's do it.
Ronnie Karam
She said this guy who, when they kiss, he's like. And then he's like, daddy, like, oh, so cheesy.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. So then we go over to Giselle, and Giselle's like, phil is a catch. Phil is a great guy, but Cal's very protective. Very, very protective. So let's see. So Cal's likes, you know, they cook a little bit. And then we see Shannon going to her guacamole class, and she goes, oh, my God.
Cynthia Bailey
Wow. Is that a sombrero oh, my. Yes. Yes.
Ben Mandelker
I love sombreros.
Ashley Darby
Wow. Oh, Earl, I noticed that you're not putting on your sombrero. You've never worn a sombrero before. First the vegetables, now a sombrero. Oh, my goodness.
Cynthia Bailey
You know, sombreros are a very major costume piece in my award winning show, Dos Amigas, which used to be Trace Amigas, before one of them turned into an absolute cow. Okay, sombrero is depressing me. Could someone get Tamara on the phone? We just need to settle this.
Ronnie Karam
So Adeline is. Adaline is like, I think Earl's a.
Ashley Darby
Really sweet guy, and I think he has really good intentions, and it's really refreshing to see my mom talk to a guy that you know like that, because he's definitely the opposite of her previous relationships. Yes, because my previous relationships were on a coastline and Earl is on a lake, so take it with a grain of salt. Which you might not find in a lake, I'll tell you that much.
Ben Mandelker
So now the chef brings over cricket, and she's like, cricket?
Cynthia Bailey
Am I supposed to eat people playing the sport or the bug? Because I'm not doing either thing. I'm not a cannibal or a cricket eater. I will not do it unless it's Jiminy. Honestly, I never liked that little person's advice. Bring him on.
Ashley Darby
Oh, well, Ralph, they have an entire bowl of your phone. Oh, not that type of cricket.
Ben Mandelker
So Adeline eats one, and Shannon's like.
Cynthia Bailey
Is there a tour? Can we get a doctor? Oh, there's a doctor over there. Could you please ask him to also bring my spinach artichoke dip? It's week seven.
Ashley Darby
I'm sorry, I did not realize that crickets were an option for this or that, because I would not have chosen this or that.
Ben Mandelker
So they taught. They're, like, crazily eating crickets and stuff. And Adeline's like, it was really good, but I got to get the leg out of my teeth real quick.
Cynthia Bailey
Excuse me saying, oh.
Ashley Darby
I raised my daughter to be a lady, and look at her have a cricket in her teeth.
Ronnie Karam
And then Earl's, like, eating it, and he's like, he enjoys it, so he eats a few of them.
Ashley Darby
Oh, oh, oh, I see. So you're having more than one. You're eating them like peanuts, Earl. And yet when it comes to a carrot, suddenly that's off limits.
Cynthia Bailey
Oh, should I just start calling celery sticks crickets now?
Ben Mandelker
Will you be into the dad?
Ashley Darby
Hey, Earl, would you like a salad of romaine and tomato? Oh, I'M sorry, I meant to say work. Worms and butterflies.
Ben Mandelker
So now Luann has her class, and the chef's like, your knife is a new knife, so be careful. This knife is dangerous. And Luanne's like, especially on a threesome. All right.
Ronnie Karam
Luanna's, like, drunk by now. She is swinging that, like, sharp ass knife around. She's like, oh, well, you know, this reminds me of the time that I auditioned to be part of the Pirates of Penzance. Sword fight.
Ben Mandelker
I'm a shark, you're a jet. Body.
Cynthia Bailey
Boo.
Ben Mandelker
Body.
Cynthia Bailey
Boo.
Ben Mandelker
A scatting.
Cynthia Bailey
All right.
Ben Mandelker
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Ronnie Karam
There's a place for scouting, a beautiful place for a. They're like, ma' am, you just got off my pinky. Well, get stronger pinkies.
Ben Mandelker
They told you the knife is dangerous. So now Luann is talking to Mark about, you know, Mark's trying to be sexual about the seafood. They have lobster, prawns and stuff like that. And so Mark's like, yeah, suck the head. And Cynthia goes, that's later.
Ronnie Karam
That's. And then. So now the chef is like, just. Just chop the onions, tomato, and garlic. So Luann takes this knife and she whacks it down on the onion. So the onion goes flying into the air. And, you know, the chef was like, oh, my God, these people are going to get themselves injured. And in fact, Mark somehow does actually get injured. I don't know how it happens. I don't know if it's from Luanne or whatever, but now he's bleeding, so. And the chef is like, this is dangerous. Okay? This is like, you guys are joking around. This is dangerous. Are you okay? And. Oh, he cut himself. I drew blood. Don't worry. I was a nurse 45 years ago in the rural confines of Connecticut. Here, come with me to the bathroom, and I will treat you. I will suture you up. I'll be a Florence Nightingale. And just like Florence Nightingale once said to her favorite patient.
Ben Mandelker
Oh. So then Cynthia's like, wow, you should really not be around knives, by the way. And Luann's like, I know how to chop. And Cynthia goes, and you know how to cut.
Cynthia Bailey
Deep, Deep, very deep.
Ben Mandelker
So then we go back to Giselle and Phil, and Giselle is loving it so far. And she talks about how they got to see an astrologer. And Giselle's like, you know, she looked at Fidd and said, he's rich. So he also changes all of the time, but for the better.
Cynthia Bailey
And Phil's like, you know, my communication is much Better, because I would only speak to people in Bel Air. Now I only speak to people in Bel Air, but I'll wave to people outside of the borders of Bel Air. So I've changed quite a bit. You know, I used to be a controlling, horrible asshole of a man, and then I decided I'll be single for a while. So I think I've changed for the better.
Ben Mandelker
She's just putting up Red Flag after Red Flag. And Giselle's like, so you're saying you're selfish and you lived in the Philippines? Movie.
Cynthia Bailey
He's like, which? Very good movie.
Ashley Darby
I would disappear for days on end. I would go to exotic places like Brentwood, California, when no one knew where I was.
Ronnie Karam
Because when you're outside of Bel Air, you don't go outside of Bel Air. It's all just a misty wilderness outside of those gates.
Ashley Darby
But I would disappear for days on end.
Cynthia Bailey
I once traveled out of the country to a gorgeous country called Tarzana.
Ben Mandelker
Huge home. God, huge.
Ashley Darby
No one knew I was. And I wouldn't tell them, and I just wouldn't talk to people, and I would do what I wanted to do, and I would be. I was controlling, too. I would say, you don't get to leave Bel Air today. All those fun things.
Ronnie Karam
I mean, this guy sounds actually terrible, but, like, all that. Giselle and Kelsey are just like dollar signs because Giselle sees the money. She's like, I want a rich, rich husband. And Cal's like, I need my client to have a rich husband because she thought to pay me for her services.
Ben Mandelker
Yes, exactly. But also, it's interesting to me because they're like, okay, Phil, we really want to open up. Like, what are your faults? And then he's honest about what his faults are. He's like, well, in my last relationships, I've been selfish. And then I didn't really know how to communicate. And so those are things that I've worked on, I think I've gotten better at. And then they're like, oh, my God, he's. He's selfish and doesn't communicate. I'm like, no, he was that way. He's actually communicating very well. Well, now, I mean, he told you exactly what his problems are, but they're, like, gross. That reminds me, I went to a job interview one time, and the lady was like, what's your biggest fault? And I was like, sometimes I just, like, don't feel like it. Sometimes I'm just lazy. Like. And I mean, I was really young, obviously, and I didn't get the job. And I told my friends and they were like, why would you say that? And I said, because? She said to be honest. And they're like, well, yeah, you can't. No one wants you.
Ronnie Karam
To really be honest, Ronnie, no one wants you. I found that same trap. My friend was like, I had randomly an interview with the NBA right, like, it was like right after college to like, I don't know, there was some position at the NBA. I was like, that sounds fun. I could work at the NBA.
Ashley Darby
Wouldn't that be fun, me working at the NBA?
Ronnie Karam
And my friend was like, I was like, I don't know what I should do to prep for this. My friend was like, just be honest. So I went in to meet with the NBA and they're like, well, what would you like to do? I was like, I'd like to be a writer. Like, okay, well, it's the NBA.
Ben Mandelker
Sometimes honesty's not good.
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Cynthia Bailey
Mean, you can't live in the United.
Ben Mandelker
States and hear about those rubber faced idiots.
Cynthia Bailey
Am I right?
Ben Mandelker
You know, I mean, I thought Orange county was in Florida.
Cynthia Bailey
And they're like, okay, there is an Orange county in Florida. He's like, ah, well, I was half right.
Ronnie Karam
I mean, you know, she, you know, she, she could have walked right by me. And except for finding her attractive, I want to throw that in. I, you know, well, that would make me turn my head. But not because she's a housewife or anything.
Ashley Darby
I mean, do you expect the person.
Ronnie Karam
That you are to watch every show with you? Because by the way, fun fact, I am an ardent fan of fly fishing usa. So I was kind of thinking we have a little bit of a battle for the TiVo.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, here's the thing.
Cynthia Bailey
You want, you want me to watch.
Ben Mandelker
This show with you, but I looked it up on the Internet and it.
Cynthia Bailey
Turns out it's on at the same.
Ben Mandelker
Time as Wild Tuna. So.
Ronnie Karam
I just worry because I have a season pass to Angler United and it's a really compelling soap opera for men.
Cynthia Bailey
Well, I just, I just, I, I, I, I, I, I did. You know, the hardest part of doing these shows is having to go through it all again and watch it. So of course I would need some, I would need a support Earl there to just tell me I'm right. Call the other women when they betray me. You know, the simple things, Earl.
Ashley Darby
I need to figure out if I can date a simple man and whether or not he will be safe if he ever meets Heather. I'm actually very concerned about how that would turn out.
Ben Mandelker
I would be too. Because you know, Heather Dubrow and Terry Dubrow would just rip him apart.
Ronnie Karam
I think I actually need them to be together just to have Shannon bring Earl to dinner party at the Deborah's. And I think like, so Earl, you live on a lake. What exactly is that? Can it be bought?
Ben Mandelker
Do you remember when they brought the, the first doctor Jen over to their house with her kind of like trashy husband who never had a shirt on and they just, just completely decimated him.
Ronnie Karam
Oh my God, that was one of my favorite episodes of Orange county of all time. That was such an underrated episode. That was so hilarious and Then the guy, he put the napkin in his shirt. Oh, my God. He put the napkin in and was, like, ready for meal. And then Heather was making eyes at her like wine. Like wine. Owning people. Like, remember her friends?
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, friends.
Ronnie Karam
And they were looking. It was. I, I, I, I. That is one of a napkin in your shirt.
Ben Mandelker
Oh, do you need somebody to choo. Choo the mouth into your. The food into your mouth?
Ronnie Karam
So, Earl, tell me, do you often show up at dinner parties with your shirt open like that? I heard there'll be dancing.
Cynthia Bailey
Earl needs to know that Real Housewives is a huge part of my life.
Ben Mandelker
And he's like, I don't know if.
Cynthia Bailey
I could handle someone being mean to Shannon. She goes, well, I, I just. I don't know. He might be too simple for me.
Ben Mandelker
So he's like, I have to be honest. If I gotta watch a show, I.
Cynthia Bailey
Don'T know if I could do this.
Ben Mandelker
So, yeah, we finally found Earl's breaking point, and it's having to watch an episode of Real Housewives. Earl's like, fuck this. This lady can emotionally abuse me. She can go find the son who begged me not to be in his life and changed his name and his Social Security number and moved, like, into the witness protection program to not see me. But here's a breaking point. I have to watch a Real Housewives show. I'm out.
Ronnie Karam
Well, mainly because he knows that there would be, like, a spread of vegetables put before him to watch it.
Ashley Darby
It's like, well, I put out some carrots and. And some celery for us to enjoy while we watch this television show. I'm out.
Ronnie Karam
I can't do this. It's a bit too much for me, Shannon. That's a trigger point for me.
Ben Mandelker
So, of course, Luann is doing the typical Luann stuff on her date. She's like, wow, this is delicious food. I'm having an orgasm over here, boys.
Ronnie Karam
Like, all right, no more orgasm talk. I'm just trying to vet this man. Fine, I'll stop speaking, and instead I'll sing Orgasm.
Ben Mandelker
So now we get to the real meat of this, which is Cynthia asking, have you ever dated anyone Luanne's age? And he's like, well, no. I mean, close. Close, but no. How close? Well, if you took the two numbers of her age and you reversed them.
Ronnie Karam
Let's see, what is 300 minus 22? I think that's. So he's just kind of like.
Ben Mandelker
It's just PI. I've dated PI 3.124, 31, 24, 14 8, 9.
Ronnie Karam
Yeah, yeah.
Ben Mandelker
Cynthia's like, but how close to her age? He goes. And Louis, like, not close enough. Took him long enough to answer. Jesus Christ. No wonder he didn't make out with me. I still had. You only make out with girls who still got their molars in.
Ronnie Karam
What happened to the winds? Molars.
Ben Mandelker
Aren'T. Those things have removed at some point?
Ronnie Karam
I don't just get wisdom teeth removed. I got molars, too. Listen, when you're working your jaw a lot, you need to have as much space as possible. Oh. So, yeah, he basically. It's clear, he just likes the young ladies.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. So he's an old. He's an old, wealthy man about town. Luan knows all about this. They keep shooting, showing clips of, you know, her exes, the gross guys on Real Housewives of New York. So she already knows this. This is not going to be great for her, but she will still go back and, like, date him and him, you know?
Ronnie Karam
Yeah, I mean, she'll. Him. But like, he. Because he basically he hedges and says, I'm interested in people who I can have fun with. The implication being that younger people tend to want to have more fun. But for Luann, it's just like, okay, this guy's not serious. He just wants to be silly. And so Mark is like, well, do you want me to say I love you like James does? Well, I didn't ask that. But yes, if you want to say that, that'd be perfectly fine. So, I mean, that's crazy. I mean, the craziest thing I ever heard. I mean, doesn't that frighten you a little bit? Yes, terribly. Also, I'm very aroused by it. She loves that. She loves that Mark is saying, I love you.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, that Jeff was. Or whatever. But she's like, you know, of course. Of course it's scary when he says it too early, but it also scares me that you're not scary saying it too early. You see, it may be scary, but it happens all the time. Mark, are you here. Are you here to play? Are you here to go home? Come on, Mark, what you got in ya?
Ronnie Karam
You're playing with the big boys now.
Ben Mandelker
So she is thinking, this probably isn't gonna work, but we'll see. So she's like, I mean, I'm not sure if he knows how to have a committed relationship. And that worries me. So Cynthia's like, you know, I. I don't think that this is really happening, Luann. I mean, you'll be good friends, but there's something missing here. It's this is not working for you.
Ronnie Karam
Yep. So now, meanwhile, over with Ashley, Ralph and Brandt, they're cheersing. And Ralph's like, I'll drink to that. And Brandt's like, so is there anything that gives you reservations?
Ashley Darby
Because both of you are just from different backgrounds, you know, I mean, you have kids and divorces, but, like, like, that's it that you have in common. And I just like, no. Well, there is some validity to this question, but he does kiss like a lizard, and that is very attractive to me. And he does seem like he's, like, a not terribly interesting person, and that's also attractive to me.
Ben Mandelker
So I don't know. He's like, I don't know if I could move. You know, maybe I could move.
Cynthia Bailey
And she like, well, he lives in Tennessee. So do I see myself in Tennessee? No. But do I see myself in Tennessee with someone really old, kind of smelly, with a little bit of rosacea and watery eyes? Yes. So I don't know. Where will my boner lead me?
Ronnie Karam
Why isn't the discussion about why the, like. Why isn't it about, like, where the men moving to Ashley? Why is she seeing her, trying to figure out her life in Rhode island or Tennessee? They're here for you. They're gonna move. They should move to you in Potomac. Okay?
Ben Mandelker
So it's always interesting on these dating shows, because that becomes one of the big things in the end is they date, they fall in love, and then they're like, but you just live so far. So should we localize this? Because it seems weird to, like, start hooking people up from all over the country, and then there are people who won't move, you know? But then if you do say you would move, then they would think you're crazy. Like, what do you mean you'd move? For me, that's. You're moving a little quickly, Ralph.
Ronnie Karam
I want a dating show called let's Localize this.
Ben Mandelker
Localize this. You know, get, like, Grindr, see who's a block away, and see if they'll work for you, you know? Oh, by the way, this has nothing to do with Grindr, but I think I have new neighbors, and I think they couldn't sell the house next door to me, probably because it's way overpriced and ridiculous. So I think what's happening is that they have rented it out, and now there are, like, seven young people moving in there to, like, have a share house. And I'm about to freak the out.
Cynthia Bailey
Huh?
Ronnie Karam
Like, is it, like a share house or Is it like an influencer house? Do they still do?
Ben Mandelker
Well, that wouldn't surprise me because they're all really young and really fit and good looking and they're always on their phones. Like I can see them from up here. And they're always like they're unpacking, but they're holding a box here. And then they're like taping themselves while they're packing. So probably are.
Ronnie Karam
Maybe it's an only fans house.
Ben Mandelker
Okay, I'm in. That's good.
Ronnie Karam
I'm like, that sounds fun.
Ben Mandelker
Hey, you guys want some Rice Krispies treats? I'm Ronnie. I'm your next door neighbor. Just wanted to welcome you to the house.
Ronnie Karam
Let's localize this. So then you come out there, you're like, mona, Mona. So Brandt is like, ralph, what?
Ashley Darby
What has someone in a relationship said.
Ronnie Karam
That you have been maybe moody about? And he was like, well, I'm impatient. Okay? I mean, oh, wait, I have to back that up real quick because I can, I can make this sound traumatic. At a very late age, I spent hours, eight hours researching adhd, ocd, dyslexia, and discovered, holy shit, I just sat down for eight hours doing something that told me that I can't do something for eight hours straight. So this is me. I went and I saw someone and I didn't self diagnose, but it turns out I'm all of these. I'm adhd, I'm OCD, and I'm dyslexic, and I open up a book. I own a lot of books, but I open up a book and it looks like the Alphabet threw up. Well, I mean, this is exactly what Ashley needed like, that the vulnerable, like, wounded man who is like dealing with something. See, this is what Wale has not given Ashley. Wale needs to give a sob story. And I mean, Ralph's is a pretty stand. I don't even think Ralph's is a sob story. I think this is a very standard thing that like a lot of people deal with. But he presents it like, yeah, man, I've got adhd. And she's like, oh, my God.
Ashley Darby
Oh my God.
Cynthia Bailey
Oh my God. I can teach you to read at the same time as my children. This is adorable.
Ben Mandelker
But also I, you know, part of me doesn't trust Ralph. I've never trusted Ralph. I mean, I've made it very clear on this show there's something about Ralph. I just don't trust him, that he seems like an asshole. He just does. So he's saying now that he's Very impatient. That's his biggest flaw. And so now he's realized through reading about it that it's actually, you know, he's. He's diagnosed all these reasons, but to me it sounds like you're a. A grumpy is what it sounds like. And you're a grumpy who's come up with a reason that you can say it's medical there. Now, as far as the 80, the reading and stuff, I'm not really sure, like the dyslexia. But the other stuff, I'm like, are you just not grumpy?
Ronnie Karam
Yeah. It still doesn't explain why you say things like, daddy like, yeah, you can't.
Ben Mandelker
Blame PhD for that.
Ronnie Karam
He's like, well, I was trying to read a book about etiquette, but. But unfortunately it didn't make sense to me, so I didn't get the lesson. So I just say daddy like.
Ben Mandelker
But also, you're mixing a lot of. A lot of things in there. Adhd, OCD and dyslexia.
Cynthia Bailey
That's a lot.
Ronnie Karam
You're just.
Ben Mandelker
Did you just run out of time to give yourself other things?
Ronnie Karam
He's like, well, I also discovered that restless leg syndrome and it makes me impatient. It's in the.
Ben Mandelker
Tell me about it. I've figured out I had that when I like, couldn't stop trying to find the beat of things. Now I have a cabaret. Hit it.
Ronnie Karam
I've got restless Congo syndrome.
Ben Mandelker
So he's like, it's a journey. Oh, now they're honking. I'm going to kill these people.
Ronnie Karam
Influencers are honking.
Ben Mandelker
I'm telling you, I brought. I could hear them like yelling back and forth at each other. And now I hear them honking out there. Probably because one of them's taking too long inside and they want to look leave. They're going to have to. Auntie Ronnie's going over there soon. Bueller, you better get your go over.
Ronnie Karam
With a rolling pin. Be like, next time you're going to get this up. This up the side of your face.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, that's not going to work. Or one of those salt guns that they use for flies. You know how you shoot the flies with the salt gun.
Ronnie Karam
Is this a co ed house? Is it all men, women?
Ben Mandelker
No, it's coed. It looks half and half so far.
Ronnie Karam
I'm going to need some photos soon. Just letting you know.
Ben Mandelker
Oh, God. That's all I need.
Cynthia Bailey
Our creepy neighbors up there taking photos of them. Hey, mister, you want a better shot?
Ben Mandelker
Okay, so they've already got me up Here, taking notes. I'm like, the blonde one took a.
Cynthia Bailey
Box in while filming herself. The.
Ben Mandelker
The brunette one honked. The brunette one honked. Okay, so Ashley is, of course, in love now. And he's like, I'm on a journey. I'm trying to get better. I'm on such a period of discovery. Daddy. Like, Daddy.
Ashley Darby
I really like that Raph is being forthcoming. I think that's a good sign for how he would be in a relationship.
Ronnie Karam
Did you overlook the part where you said he was impatient, though? Like, you like that he's forthcoming, but you seem to forget, like, you also just found out he'll be very impatient in the relationship, too.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. So then we go to Theo and James joining Shannon, Earl, and the daughters by the bar, and, you know, they're just asking about Luann and stuff like that. So then Ashley has a conversation with Wally, and every conversation they have ends up in an argument. So it's always fun to see how it happens.
Ronnie Karam
Yeah.
Ben Mandelker
So she checks in with him, and he's like, oh, my God, look at you. Red lip, red dress, tea. You didn't do my accent today. So she does her accent or his accent?
Ronnie Karam
Yeah. She goes, well, I do do it well. So she. He's like, go ahead, go ahead. So she's like, she does her little thing, and she goes, you know, because I didn't know that people from Rhode island and spoke like that. Like, where does your accent come from? He's like, I'm not sure, to be honest.
Ashley Darby
She goes, well, I don't want to.
Ronnie Karam
Be offensive to other cultures, but I do really like accents. So he's like, well, which accent do you like the most? She goes, I really like the Nigerian accent. He's like, okay, well, you want to learn something in Europe, Yoruba and the actual language? She's like, yeah. And he's like, okay. So there's just. It seems like I was like, okay, this is going well. They're having a conversation. They have not started to fight yet. Is this going to break up?
Ben Mandelker
Because it didn't end up in a fight. And I don't think. I think their love language is arguing about stupid things. And so now that they're not arguing, I'm like, they're dead. This couple's dead.
Ronnie Karam
But Ashley says, each.
Ashley Darby
Each passing minute that I spend with Raph and Wale, like, my feelings for them are just, like, growing stronger and stronger, and my mind just keeps going to the fact that eventually I'm gonna have to pick one of these guys. And I just don't know how I'm ever gonna do that. It's Ralph. It's definitely Ralph.
Cynthia Bailey
It's Ralph.
Ben Mandelker
And that brings us to the end of Love Hotel.
Ronnie Karam
Does it? I don't think.
Ben Mandelker
Wasn't it over? I think it's over, isn't it?
Cynthia Bailey
No.
Ben Mandelker
What happened?
Cynthia Bailey
Else.
Ben Mandelker
What else happened? I closed the notes.
Ronnie Karam
I mean, it's fine for it to be the end. Oh, wait.
Ben Mandelker
Oh, no. Oh, my God. There's multiple pages left. Why are we doing five hour recaps of Love Hotel? For sake.
Ronnie Karam
I was so shocked. And that was the end.
Ben Mandelker
I really thought that was the end. Okay, there's space at the bottom of the page. Sorry, sorry. Okay, sorry. Okay, so we go to Shannon and James talking, and they're talking about Luann, and Shannon's like, wow, that Luann, what.
Cynthia Bailey
A kick in the pants. Does she make you laugh? She makes me laugh when she steals all the hot men and leaves me the turtle. Hilarious, actually.
Ashley Darby
That's. That's hilarious. I stopped my entire life by the beach to come down here to another beach to watch all the men. Gets taken by Luann. And I get stuck with the one guy on this hotel who enjoys a lake. Oh, wow. Laughter.
Cynthia Bailey
Oh, yeah. I like Luann a lot. I mean, she makes me laugh so hard. I fell in love with her. That's Wildfellow.
Ben Mandelker
Love with her and, like, love.
Cynthia Bailey
James, how many days have you known her? I'm gonna say days. I mean, it hasn't even been a week. So let's calm down on the hunt of love. I mean, is she a croissant? No, we don't feel love that quickly for non croissant things.
Ronnie Karam
Shannon's like.
Ashley Darby
I mean, she met her husband, the Count. She met. She literally met a Muppet and married a Muppet. Can you believe it? And it only took six weeks.
Ronnie Karam
And then Louis, like two weeks.
Ashley Darby
I wish you'd make your choice now. So that way you would release all these men who I am not able to talk to because they still think they got a shot with you.
Ben Mandelker
It was two weeks, but he had a title, to be fair.
Ronnie Karam
So Shannon's like.
Ashley Darby
Well, I mean, she just. She wants it so much. Luann wants it so much that she's willing to say it's all gonna work out. I would personally never settle. But anyway, off to another take with Earl the Pearl.
Ben Mandelker
So Mark is thinking that their date made things a lot worse because he likes young chicks and just had to admit to it. But he's gonna keep trying. He's gonna keep Trying, guys.
Ronnie Karam
And still James is still trying to explain why he said he's in love with Luann's like, no, I mean, I.
Ashley Darby
I can fall in love with people as friends very quickly. I mean, because, you know, and now that it's like morphing into a relationship, being in love with her as a friend or being in love with her more. What I'm trying to say is I, like, literally just fantasize about her 24 hours a day. I love everything in her body, but that's it. It's pretty chill.
Ben Mandelker
And Shannon's like, I think that's scary.
Cynthia Bailey
It's a few days. And Giselle's like, it's a little red flaggish.
Ben Mandelker
So. No.
Ronnie Karam
Says the woman who is currently still talking to the guy who's like, well.
Ashley Darby
Sometimes I'll walk away. I just leave for a week and no one knows where I am and I don't talk to them. And then when I'm back, I'm controlling.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. It's like one thing, if I need.
Cynthia Bailey
A break, I would hide my wife's keys, and then I would go away for a week. But I've learned now. Leave the keys in the bowl.
Ben Mandelker
So Mark and Wale are talking, and Wale is like, oh, my God, Brant's over there. My up. What the hell? And Mark's like, oh, I'm sure you were smooth, buddy. You know, you got some magic.
Cynthia Bailey
You came in strong.
Ben Mandelker
He's like, ah, it ended okay. It ended okay. So then Earl goes to Shannon's door, and he's brought gifts for the girls.
Ronnie Karam
Which I don't know if I want. I don't.
Ashley Darby
He's like, all right, I got you some trinkets.
Ronnie Karam
Okay, girls, this one's yours, and this one's yours. I don't know if I want Earl's selections from the hotel gift shoppers.
Ben Mandelker
I know.
Cynthia Bailey
All right, well, those are some fishing hooks. You got Adeline and Sophie, you've got Warren worms.
Ben Mandelker
Okay?
Cynthia Bailey
You put those on the hooks, you.
Ronnie Karam
Can eat them too, if you want. And this is an iou. It's for an oversized whale painting that I saw in the lobby.
Cynthia Bailey
Well, we've got a gift for you, Earl. We have found your stepson. We have tied him up, and we've put him in the hotel safe, so you're ready to meet him.
Ronnie Karam
So Cal and Giselle are talking, and Giselle's like, well, now I'm looking at Phil with a different Let you know you've been playing it safe, Phil. You've been Trying to edit yourself so I don't send you home. And I don't want that. But he's rich. You're right. Never mind.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, but this is the part where I was like, how are you gonna say he's been editing himself? He was so forthright with you. Now you're mad at him for being honest with you, so you're gonna kick him out.
Ronnie Karam
Yeah. And Luann saying, I want someone that's gonna chase after me, who's really into me. Some. Someone to love me, someone to hug me, someone to call me their own. Cynthia's like, yeah, you need attention.
Ashley Darby
I'm a model too.
Ronnie Karam
So Brandon, Ash are walking on the beach. And you know, Ash is saying that, like Ralph is saying everything she'd want to hear.
Ben Mandelker
And.
Ronnie Karam
And Brant's like, yeah, And I thought.
Ashley Darby
You know, and I thought. Didn't. He didn't raise any red flags. He's like very self aware.
Ronnie Karam
Also, I'm like, what red. What about isn't a red flag?
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, what about daddy? Like, that's a red flag. But they did. You know, he's like, you love her, you love him. I love him fine, hon, whatever. So then we go to Shannon, and they're talking about Earl, and Shannon's like.
Cynthia Bailey
Well, look at those gifts. It's so nice. Isn't that nice that girl gave you those gifts.
Ben Mandelker
You know, Shannon starts talking where she tightens her mouth and her teeth.
Cynthia Bailey
That is so nice.
Ashley Darby
Does anyone feel like they hear Huey.
Ronnie Karam
Lewis in the news?
Ashley Darby
Oh, it must be the singing bass he gave you. Girls, that's a lovely gift.
Cynthia Bailey
A fish on a wall.
Ashley Darby
Oh, it's hip to be square. I guess that's what the lesson is.
Ben Mandelker
And they're like, he's so nice, mom. Please just date him so we don't have to listen to you cry every night that we're trying to have our own lives out of town.
Cynthia Bailey
And she's like, well, here's the problem, girls. He doesn't like criticism. And I mean, so I'm not really sure.
Ashley Darby
My love language is criticizing. He doesn't eat vegetables. My other love language. And he doesn't like criticism. So I don't know how I am going to deal with this.
Cynthia Bailey
How am I supposed to voice concerns that might be construed as negative?
Ben Mandelker
And they're like, yeah, communication is great. Yeah.
Cynthia Bailey
But when commute. When somebody says that you're criticizing me and you hurt my feelings, then that communication is not good. Okay? So I don't know. I really care about him, but unless he can let me speak to him in a rude way. I'm not really sure that we're meant to be together.
Ronnie Karam
So now it cuts to everyone gathering back in there. Sort of like that weird room that it's not like a lobby, but that's the sofa room. And all the guests are gone. All the friends. Friends of Are gone. And Joel's like, all right, well, exciting day. Your friends have left. We didn't even see them say goodbye. We just sort of cross faded into here. So congrats. They're gone. So now my least favorite part of the job. The next elimination will be right now.
Ben Mandelker
No.
Ashley Darby
What?
Ronnie Karam
No, I'm just kidding.
Ashley Darby
Wow. Oh, wow. It's nice to see that the. The chef at the resort has some jokes up his sleeve.
Cynthia Bailey
That was. How many more episodes does this show have exactly? Is anybody going to tell us or are we just going to keep going until we're dead?
Ashley Darby
I'm barkeep. I have a question. Would you be interested in a singing bass that sings songs like Heart of Rock and Roll and Hip to be Square? It's free of charge just for you for all your good deeds.
Ben Mandelker
That brings us to the end, really this time of really.
Ronnie Karam
Hotel Love Hotel. Thanks, everyone for being here. We will catch you on the next episode. Don't forget to listen to our coverage of Love island, which will be starting this week. Talk to you next time.
Ashley Darby
Bye.
Ronnie Karam
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In Episode #2873 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the second part of their two-part recap of Bravo's reality series "Love Hotel", specifically Season 1, Episode 6 titled "Friends and Lovers". True to their style, Ben and Ronnie blend humor, sharp critiques, and affectionate mockery as they dissect the intricate relationships and dramatic twists presented in the episode.
The episode centers around the romantic entanglements and personal growth of the characters staying at the Love Hotel. Key moments include:
Grant and Wale's Conversation:
At [03:52], the hosts discuss Grant's questioning of Wale about having children. Cynthia Bailey, a central figure, probes Wale's readiness to become a father.
Ashley Darby's "This or That" Game:
The trio engages in a playful yet revealing game of "This or That," exposing personal preferences that hint at deeper relationship dynamics.
Conflict Between Cynthia and James:
A notable confrontation arises when James, displaying inappropriate behavior, crosses boundaries with Cynthia, leading to a sharp rebuke.
Giselle and Phil's Dynamic:
Giselle expresses her concerns about Phil's past behavior, revealing layers of their relationship struggles.
Earl's Breaking Point:
Earl reaches his limit with the pressures of the relationships unfolding at the hotel, culminating in his refusal to watch another episode of a Real Housewives show.
Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie interject their own humorous takes and critical observations:
On Creating Personal Spaces:
Ben humorously transitions from discussing home improvements to mocking typical sponsor pitches, illustrating their knack for blending genuine conversation with satire.
On Relationship Dynamics:
The hosts highlight the often superficial and convoluted relationships portrayed in reality TV, drawing parallels to real-life dating challenges.
On Character Flaws and Red Flags:
Ben points out inconsistencies and red flags in characters' behaviors, emphasizing the sometimes questionable reality TV portrayals of relationships.
On Communication Issues:
The hosts discuss the importance of genuine communication in relationships, critiquing Phil's attempts to improve his communication skills as insufficient.
As the episode progresses towards its conclusion, Ben and Ronnie reflect on the complexities and often comedic nature of the relationships showcased in "Love Hotel":
On Decision-Making in Relationships:
The hosts humorously question the feasibility of long-distance relationships and the practicality of connecting individuals from disparate locations.
On Reality TV Tropes:
They critique common reality TV tropes, such as rapid declarations of love and the portrayal of flawed characters seeking redemption.
Final Remarks on Character Developments:
The hosts summarize the unresolved tensions and impending choices the characters face, leaving listeners anticipating future episodes.
Episode #2873 of Watch What Crappens offers a blend of insightful recap and humorous critique of "Love Hotel" Season 1, Episode 6. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam effectively balance their affection for the source material with a sharp-eyed analysis of its narrative and character development. Listeners are left both entertained and informed, with a keen sense of anticipation for the hosts' take on future Bravo offerings.
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