#2884 Love Hotel S01E7 Part 1: Hurricane Storms

Summary

Watch What Crappens: Episode #2884 - Love Hotel S01E7 Part 1: Hurricane Storms

Released on June 10, 2025

Introduction

In Episode #2884 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the tumultuous world of Bravo’s Love Hotel. This episode, titled "Hurricane Storms", offers an engaging recap and analysis of the latest drama unfolding within the show. From emotional breakdowns to unexpected romantic twists, Ben and Ronnie provide their signature blend of praise, ridicule, and witty commentary that fans have come to love.

Upcoming Events and Announcements

At the onset of the episode, Ben and Ronnie share exciting news about their upcoming live shows. They announce:

• Season Premiere in Seattle: Scheduled for Thursday, June 19, at the Neptune.
• Hollywood Recap Show: A week later, they will host a special event at the Fonda Theater in Hollywood. Ben shares a personal anecdote about seeing their podcast’s marquee on Hollywood Boulevard, highlighting the growing popularity of Watch What Crappens.

Main Discussion: Love Hotel Recap

The core of the episode focuses on the latest developments in Love Hotel, particularly the dramatic events influenced by an impending hurricane.

Emotional Turmoil and Relationship Struggles

Ben and Ronnie dissect the intense emotional exchanges between key characters:

• Shannon and Earl:
  Timestamp [05:34]
  Ronnie remarks, “Earl's way too emotional of a guy to be with someone like Shannon. You can't have two hurricanes in the same spot, guys.” This metaphor underscores the volatile relationship dynamics exacerbated by external stressors like the hurricane.

• Shannon’s Breakdown:
  Timestamp [06:10]
  Ben observes, “This is the first time we've seen a hurricane get in the way of a relationship on the Real Housewives. So I'm really impressed.” The hurricane serves as a catalyst for revealing underlying tensions between Shannon and Earl.

Character Dynamics and Drama

The episode delves into the intricate relationships and conflicts among the cast:

• Shannon vs. Earl:
  Timestamp [06:30]
  Ronnie highlights Shannon’s dramatic moments, such as her breakdown with “gigantic curlers” in her hair, terming it “amazing” and a testament to the show’s commitment to escalating drama.

• Shannon and the Boys:
  Timestamp [12:37]
  Ben humorously contrasts Shannon's relationship struggles with her husband Earl’s fear of vegetables entering their home during a hurricane, reflecting the show's penchant for absurd and exaggerated scenarios.

• James and Luann’s Romance:
  Timestamp [46:27]
  The hosts discuss James’s overt displays of affection towards Luann, noting their “incredible chemistry” despite challenges like James’s frequent travels.

Notable Quotes and Insights

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie intersperse their analysis with memorable quotes from the show's characters:

• Shannon’s Desperation:
  Timestamp [12:14]
  Shannon laments, “Did anyone ever profess their love for me? No. Here lies Shannon Beador, sent into an existential crisis by seeing James in a hallway.”

• Earl’s Concerns:
  Timestamp [30:27]
  Earl humorously worries, “I just don’t want that [a carrot] to happen,” showcasing his eccentric personality traits.

• Mark’s Over-the-Top Advancements:
  Timestamp [36:12]
  Mark abruptly declares his interest in Giselle, only to be swiftly dismissed by her: “She says, no, no. The end. Period.”

Analysis and Commentary

Ben and Ronnie provide insightful critiques and humorous takes on the unfolding drama:

• Relationship Strategies:
  Timestamp [17:17]
  Ronnie shares instances where reality TV relationships have defied odds, citing examples from shows like The Bachelor to illustrate how unexpected romances can develop despite early setbacks.

• Gender Roles in Reality TV:
  Timestamp [18:03]
  Ben discusses the portrayal of traditional gender roles on Love Hotel, questioning the authenticity and impact of these dynamics within the show's context.

• Character Development:
  Throughout the episode, the hosts analyze character motivations and growth, particularly focusing on how external factors like the hurricane influence personal relationships and individual behaviors.

Conclusion and Takeaways

As the episode wraps up Part 1, Ben and Ronnie summarize the key developments and set the stage for Part 2:

• Elevating Drama Through Natural Disasters:
  The hurricane serves as a pivotal plot device, intensifying existing tensions and sparking new conflicts among the cast members.

• Character Arcs and Future Predictions:
  The hosts speculate on future developments, anticipating heightened drama and unexpected alliances as the series progresses.

• Engagement with Listeners:
  Ben and Ronnie invite listeners to join their live shows and engage with them on Patreon for exclusive content, enhancing the community feel of Watch What Crappens.

Final Thoughts

Episode #2884 of Watch What Crappens successfully captures the essence of Bravo’s Love Hotel through a blend of humor, critical analysis, and engaging storytelling. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam deliver a comprehensive recap that not only entertains but also provides valuable insights into the show's intricate dynamics. Whether you’re a longtime fan or new to the podcast, this episode offers a compelling glimpse into the captivating world of reality TV drama.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Ronnie Karam at [05:34]:
  “But I did have a moment where I was like called it because I remember in the beginning of this I said, Earl's too emotional for Shannon.”

• Ben Mandelker at [06:10]:
  “I think this is the first time we've seen a hurricane get in the way of a relationship on the Real Housewives. So I'm really impressed.”

• Shannon at [12:14]:
  “Did anyone ever profess their love for me? No. Here lies Shannon Beador, sent into an existential crisis by seeing James in a hallway.”

• Earl at [30:27]:
  “I just don’t want that [a carrot] to happen.”

• Mark at [36:12]:
  “It's the end. Period.”

These quotes encapsulate the heightened emotions and dramatic turns that define this episode's focus on Love Hotel.

Join the Conversation

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Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me today is Mr. Ronnie Caram. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

[Unknown]

Hi.

Hi.

[Ronnie Karam]

What's going on?

[Unknown]

Not much.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just enjoying a lovely Tuesday here in Los Angeles. We have a big show on Thursday in Seattle that we're really excited about going back to the Neptune. Please join us for the season premiere of Real Housewives of Miami, which will be recapping there in Seattle. And. And then one week later, we are bringing our show to the Fonda Theater in Hollywood. I have to say, Ronnie, I drove by the Fonda yesterday after my haircut, and they already had Watcher Crappens up on the marquee. And it was honestly very surreal to see our podcast right there on Hollywood Boulevard over those stars. I mean, that's so cool.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm going to go take it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Really is.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would have taken a picture, but I. I had to go to the bathroom. So I was. This is like my ongoing journey. It's like I saw Gertie, but I had to keep going. I'm like, really, like, I have a lot of panic driving happening. Um, anyway, the point is, come join us on Hollywood Boulevard in Los Angeles for a really special show. A really big. It's gonna be a really big closeout to our Mounting Hysteria tour that's going to be on June 19, so just a little over a week away. We're going to recap the Valley because of course we'll recap an LA show in la. So tickets. If you want to get tickets, the links to our tickets are atwatch or crappens.com also be sure to join us on Patreon, which of course is patreon.com watch what crappens. We do Crappies on Demand, where you can watch us. We're on. We're on it right now. So hi, everyone. And then those are exclusive on Patreon for a week and then they are free on YouTube. The videos also, we are doing daily with an asterisk. Daily Love island recaps Daily, as in anytime we sit down to record. Here, our podcast, we're going to do Love Island Recap. It's not seven days a week. We're not waking up on Saturday and doing it. So it's usually going to be like Monday through Thursday. Although this week we are traveling to Seattle. So I'll probably just be Monday through Wednesday. But either way, the point is Love island recaps are happening they're fresh after the episode, so go check those out on Patreon. That's all the exciting news. And today we are talking Love Hotel, which. Wow, what a doozy of a. This show is so deranged. It is such a hilarious, hilarious show. It is nuts. It's nuts.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I did have a moment where I was like called it because I remember in the beginning of this I said, earl's too emotional for Shannon. You know, everybody's talking about how Shannon's too emotional for Earl. Earl's shown some emotional instability as well. And I'd like to say that poked its head through last night. Although, you know, maybe I'd want someone to call me if my house was in a hurricane or whatever. I'm not saying none of his points were right, but Earl's way too emotional of a guy to be with someone like Shane Shannon. You can't have two hurricanes in the same spot, guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, yeah, yeah, it's, it was a big emotional hurricane.

[Unknown]

Who.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think this is the first time we've seen a hurricane get in the way of a relationship on the Real Housewives. So I'm like really impressed this. The show is really breaking new ground.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I like that a hurricane took down a relationship of a Storms.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, I know you would think that she'd be equipped for it since her last name is Storms, but no, no, no. So we never calm.

[Unknown]

They get it. They just get stormier.

[Ronnie Karam]

And seeing Shannon have a breakdown with those two gigantic curlers, like Mickey Mouse ears in the middle of her head was amazing. Great work, guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Great, great, great work.

[Ronnie Karam]

So how are they ever going to do this show without Shannon? Honestly, Shannon, Shannon's kind of made this whole show. If you think about it like every piece of drama has come from Shannon.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like the Shannon and Luann of it all. Like, Ashley is fine. You know, it's sort of like she's like fascinating to watch. This like, aw triangle she's found herself in. And Giselle is just there for comic relief. But the Luan in her weird ass relationship in the corner, like weird, weird, weird relationships.

[Ronnie Karam]

Super weird.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just weirder than you could imagine.

[Ronnie Karam]

And they're like from SNL, the old SNL's where they're like hello LA and Will Ferrell sitting in a hot tub, like, hello. Hitting on people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly who they are. They're just so strange. And then you have Shannon just like spiraling with the gu. Named Earl the pearl. I mean it's, it is going to be really hard To. To replicate this for sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, so let's go from the beginning. We start with Joel. Final decision right around the corner. And then we see a pause sign appear on the screen. And rewind, rewind. 66 hours until check out.

[Unknown]

Don.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't. Don't end it with Phil.

[Unknown]

And Phil's like, I mean, I'm 62 in Bel Air. You know what I mean? I don't have time to play games. I could see best friends, lovers, all of it.

The king and queen of Bel Air is what I see.

So Presidents, Bel Air, USA.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then now, 65 hours until check out. Ashley's sitting with Ralph, and she's like.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I've had a lady relationship in the past couple years ago.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, that should be discussed. I'm kind of over it. It was a phase of. That was. That's another conversation.

[Unknown]

It wasn't a phase.

Come to Daddy.

[Ronnie Karam]

48 hours until checkout. So now everybody's in the main lounge, and James is like, no one touch Leanne because she.

[Unknown]

Luann, because she's my girl. You can't touch her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mitch is like, your handling of her is not the way I would handle a woman. My God, I would punch you.

[Unknown]

Oh, wow, how rude. Violence. And yet it's over me. So kind of sexy.

Ha.

[Ronnie Karam]

25 hours until checkout. Shannon's in her room with the giant curlers in her hair.

[Unknown]

Shannon, are you okay? Can we come in?

Shannon.

What happened? Last time I saw Shannon, she was dancing on tables. We were having a great time, and now here she is crying with two curlers in her hair.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know it's Earl related or the remote control broke again. I'm not really sure. Last time, One of the AAA's was a little bit loose. She almost started the hotel on fire.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shannon, did you over microwave your salmon with cream cheese again? It exploded, didn't it? Duh.

[Unknown]

It's my fault. It's all my fault. It's all my fault.

[Ben Mandelker]

And now, 72 hours into the final checkout.

[Unknown]

Back to Joel.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, it's a very exc. Exciting day here at the Grand Villas Boutique Hotel. Ladies, your gays and your gals have left us. Sadly, one gay was stuck behind, and that one was me. So sad.

[Unknown]

Oh, well, that's nice to hear what the bellhop is going through, but I'm not sure why he's keeping me from spending time with Earl the pearl.

Can I stir a pot a little bit? Now, this is pre tears, Shannon. As you can see, my hair is not curled yet. Can I just stir up Hot. Someone was walking to get in the elevator. Hold on, let me press my lips. Shirtless, with a very silly grin on his face. Pointing, pointing. It was James. It was James.

For a moment, I thought it might have been a risque waiter finally bringing me my spinach and artichoke dip. But no, it was not. It was just James sneaking out of Luann's bedroom. Sexy Luann and James sitting in a tree. K I s S I n G and not taking the proper precautions that you need to if you're going to be in a tree, especially with all that pollen around. So, really, I. I advise sitting on a bench next time and doing it indoors.

Stop giving trees syphilis. That's what I say.

[Ronnie Karam]

So flashback to earlier this morning. We see James banging Luanne. And so Joel's like, oh, Detective Shannon, do you know where he was coming from?

[Unknown]

She goes, well, I'm gonna say that Countess's room. He smelled like Benson and Hedges and was singing something very off key in two chords.

I once fell on the hedges. Let's roll that clip for the 16th time, right? Such a hilarious clip.

[Ben Mandelker]

Iconic, if you will.

[Unknown]

Hey, here we go. That was a private thing. That was a private thing when you saw me in that room. Everybody, I banged the wind. Don't tell anybody. All of you. It's my girlfriend right there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Babe, look around. Do you think anything is private around here? Come on.

[Unknown]

What is the bellhop insinuating? That he has put up cameras to spy on us? Well, this is unacceptable at a resort. This is a luxury, luxury establishment, and you have a bellhop spying on us. That's just unacceptable.

[Ronnie Karam]

What is, Shannon, anyway? A peeping Tom? I don't need a peeping. Oh, I'm saying Tom. I don't want to say Tom again. Please don't roll the clip. It's all about Tom. Everybody together.

[Unknown]

All right, thank you.

I didn't know this was a secret. I mean, even though I did say I was gonna stir the pot, which inherently meant that I knew it was a secret, but I didn't know it was a. James professes his love to Luann. Did David ever profess his love to me?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Unknown]

Did John Jansen?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Unknown]

Did anyone ever profess their love for me? No. Here lies Shannon Beador, sent into an existential crisis by seeing James in a hallway.

Well, Earl has left my room multiple times, and I guarantee you he has a big grin on his face. One thing he does not have on his face. The remnants of artichoke dip, sir.

Yes, he has a big grin. On his face because he emerged my room without there being any vegetables in sight. So can we get that artichoke dip, please?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Mark wants to say something. He's like, well, I find it personally difficult in this environment to show your emotions. There's a limit of protecting yourself and not being over the top. And I am the person dressed like a poo from Aladdin saying this.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I really can't stand those over the top people. I express my dissatisfaction. The. The. The more sleeveless I become, the more dissatisfied I am with someone else.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's my rule of thumb. So I think my fashion speaks for itself today.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we say we see Mark two days ago talking to Luann saying, like, he claimed you and James, like, yeah, you're my girlfriend. And her saying, no, I'm not. Not yet.

[Unknown]

Well, I feel like you're my girlfriend.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no. Stop it. Stop following me. Keep following me. Why'd you stop following me?

[Unknown]

Keep following me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, everyone. Well, you know, gentlemen, this is your journey as well. Yes.

[Unknown]

Basically, he's saying James is acting.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what he's saying. Let me. Let me translate this to you for in Housewives Speak, which is you are fake acting, doing this for the cameras.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Joel's like, none of this is in the script, and I'm not getting paid enough to care, so let's just move on. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

With Bowen yang in about 10 minutes. So let me wrap this up so I can talk with actually funny people.

[Ronnie Karam]

Have an extremely low energy zoom coming up. Just a very droll. I have a very droll zoom coming up.

[Ben Mandelker]

I really need to wrap this up because I'm trying to write Fire Island 2. And starting. I've incorporated a character named Shannon Midor, and I'm just not into this. It's really ruining the script.

[Ronnie Karam]

James, like, well, there's no more eliminations.

[Unknown]

Till your final date, and that's going to be lovely.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, no. Joel says that there's two. No more eliminations. There's a lovely overnight date with the guy that you choose before you make your final decision. It's going to be like rotisserie chickens in the case, so can't wait for that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Giselle's like, overnight. Oh, you're just going to throw someone in my bedroom? Don't you realize I have no interest in anyone here? I'm just here to make jokes and call out people for the. I'm not really intending to spend overnight with anyone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So of course Ashley wants to spend.

[Unknown]

Time with Ralph and Wale, but there's only one of me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Never stopped you before. Go for it, Ashley. You can do. You can climb this hill, Ashley. I believe in you. Besides, Ralph will be asleep in five minutes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, true. And you know he's a snorer, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

The producer is like, keep you up, guilting you the rest of the night.

[Unknown]

So you're gonna go to sleep before me? Like, you think you can just go to sleep before me?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, what about me?

[Unknown]

I'm still awake.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you're just gonna, like.

[Unknown]

Are you just saying that I'm, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

So boring that you're just gonna go.

[Unknown]

To sleep and, like, I'm just gonna.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sit here awake and, like, that's what you're gonna do? Like, you bring me all the way up here to, like, not even talk to me.

[Unknown]

Just gonna go to sleep, have some couth.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then producer asked Giselle who's a better cuddler, Phil or Theo in her mind, and she's like, I don't like to cuddle. Did your mouth just open?

[Unknown]

What?

[Ronnie Karam]

What'd I say?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, you know, you're on a dating show, Giselle. So then, Joel' the journey does continue. Today I have another great group date for you. So you're. I'm actually too bored to even tell you what the group date is. So you just have fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

We haven't figured that out yet. Go to the parking lot. We've got some dollar store decorations coming out. You'll see there. Okay.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So this is a group date, and Theo doesn't like group dates. Which one's Theo?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like the. He's the doctor with a surprisingly good body.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he's like, my wife's a. Or whatever. That guy. So then Giselle's like, wale has stuck with Ashley from day one. Nah, I'm sure he's feeling like, why isn't it just me?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're trying to make Wale happen. Wale is not happening. She doesn't like Wale.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like in the real world, Wally has a lot of, like, I feel like a lot of strong claims of, like, I don't want to fight for you anymore. Like, I've shown you that I'm interested. I want to fight for you. But you came onto a dating show where that this is the format. So, like, you can't reinvent the wheel here when you're already in the wheel. Okay. So you have to just, like, just. You got to do the things to do.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've seen it happen before where it actually works out, because there was A girl on the Bachelor. Okay. Peter, the pilot, who was also on Traders, went on the Bachelor, and he was. There was kind of an awkward, weird girl who didn't really belong there. And he kept picking her up and nobody really understood why. And then he's like, okay, I want you to come to this overnight thing. She's like, no, this is like, so weird. Like, I don't want to have to date you and all these other people. And he's like, okay. So he sent her home and people were like, whoa, that's cold. And then he ended up dating her. After the Bachelor, he dumped the one he picked and ended up dating her. It's happened a few times, I think with Ari season. There was a girl who started crying and she was like, I don't want to do this. Hurts my feelings. And she left, and then he ended up dating her. I mean, it happened, so it happens.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. I understand that. I also do feel like this is one of those weird things where gender roles do play. Play a role. Because, like, there's this idea of, like, men are supposed to pursue regardless and like, men are like, basically just like cavemen and are just gonna like, fight for dominance. And I'm not saying that that's any of that is good or right, but, like, I kind of feel like that's why it feels weird to see the guy just being like, oh, well, what about me? I mean, versus, like, I feel like we're like been trained or socialized to be okay with a woman doing that, but with a men, with. With a guy being like, well, I've already put myself out there and it's not like he's totally right, but at the same time, I'm like, well, you're on a dating show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you're right that you're on a dating show. And you should. You should play the game, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, if it's a lady, I'm like, good for, you know your worth. If it's guy, I'm like, come on, buck up, Buck up and play the game. Whether that's right or wrong is a whole other issue.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, and it's also not real too. It's like, you really think you have a shot. Ashley, you. You really did find people who don't watch his show. You know what I mean? Like, they really found people who don't watch housewives because Ashley, we all know Ashley's type. And it's not Wale. Okay, Ralph.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ralph, I believe it's not wallet and it's not Wall B. It's Definitely Wall Z. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Or Wall E. You know, if she's got to be alone, she'll choose. She'll choose a robot. But it's not going to be a lot of guy giving her, you know, emotional shit like that the whole time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Unknown]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So Ashley and Mark are talking and Mark is saying this over the top stuff is bullshit. I'm interested in switching courses. You know what? I decided I like the Zelle all of a sudden and she's like, whoa, whoa, wow.

[Unknown]

So you feel the vibes of Giselle.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he' like yeah. And he's basically says, look, I let. I let Luan and James do their thing for a long time. I'm out. It's too much. Giselle hasn't settled. Giselle doesn't have anyone. And she's pretty, so whatever, I'll go after Giselle.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He's like, I'm convincing you only live once. There's no 20 year olds to bang here, so I'll try Giselle next. And Ashley's like, yeah, he has zero chance.

[Unknown]

Zero chance.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now Giselle and Theo are still talking, and Theo's pissed off at James, but she's like, have you all duked it out? You and Phil? Oh, no, Phil. They're talking about Phil because Theo wants her too. And she's like, well, you know, why don't you have the fight? Like, get away from her. No, you get away from her. No, I live in Bel Air. I don't care. Where is Bel Air? And then we could have a Bel Air fight.

[Ben Mandelker]

He was like, nah, we don't have that sort of thing. I mean, I did ask him how things went last night. He said things went well, but. But, yeah, we're not going to really fight over you. We're just going to be gentlemanly about it. She's like, damn, I was hoping you guys would fight over me. Okay, well, I do know that you're a dessert guy. Yeah, I am a sweet guy. And I love sweets. It goes both ways. What?

[Unknown]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

What does that mean, it goes both ways? Well, when you love. When you're a dessert guy and you love sweets, it goes both ways. Because when you're a sweets guy, you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Love desserts, you want the dessert to want you back. I don't know what he's talking about there. So Theo says Giselle's his type. And she's like, yeah, I don't know about him. He's a mystery. I'm not dating any of these people. You can move on to the next person.

[Unknown]

Nah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So there's something flying around. And she's like, is that a fly? And he's like, it's something. She's like, that's real, ma' am. Okay, so then Wale is sitting with Shannon, and Shannon's like, oh, how are you doing?

[Unknown]

How do you feel about Ashley? Why aren't you married to Ashley? Are you gonna ask Ashley to marry her? I can't. I can't wait. I got a T shirt coming in that says Ashley. Wally, don't wait.

He's like, well, I don't have an Answer. I stopped searching for the one he says, you know, Ashley got the best selection.

[Ben Mandelker]

To be honest, between Ralph and me.

[Unknown]

And that's some cool, calm, collected gentleman. So who does Ashley want to be with? I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't gauge it. So. By the way, the idea of, like, Wale confiding into Shannon Bedor is, like, very funny to me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shannon loves Wale. It's hilarious.

[Unknown]

Like, Wale. I only care about Wale. Where's Wale sitting? Where is he sitting? Does Wale have his own paintbrush for this paint and sip? Please respect Wale.

[Ben Mandelker]

What about Wale and Shannon Beador? That would be kind of hot.

[Ronnie Karam]

That would be kind of hot. In a weird way, I feel like he would. He'd be like, her little boy.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, like, he's like. He's, like, younger and, like, sexy, even though his personality could use some work. And, like, I feel like she deserves, like, a young, hot man. Like, that would be kind of cool.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know. So Phil. So they're having this paint and sip group date, and Phil's like, I'm sitting next to Shannon.

[Unknown]

I already know that. And she's like, oh, Phil, sit next to me. Phil, get over here, Phil.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Ralph was like, am I a man without a country?

[Unknown]

Come to daddy country.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I love eating sips.

[Unknown]

The only thing I like more than.

[Ben Mandelker]

A paint and sip is a paint and sniff.

[Ronnie Karam]

Love isn't only about the heart. It's also about the soul. Please paint things. So Loanne's like, ralph, get over here. You're always the last in musical chairs. And he's like, I'm always the last one.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ashley, she's actually, like, mad about that. By the way, did you notice there was an element of tone in her?

[Unknown]

Like, ralph, you need to pull up if you're playing musical chair.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chairs.

[Unknown]

I'm sick of you coming in last, okay? It's called energy and dedication. How's it happen? Who is the last one to sit down in musical chairs? It's called listen to the beat. When you're a real musician, you do that. Okay? Okay, we're gonna start you off with the Congos, and we're gonna see if that works. I mean, the bongos. Bongos in the Congo. Okay, here we go. Ralph.

[Ronnie Karam]

She does that with all the men. It's really funny. She's like, stop it, James. Stop it right now. Respect my girlfriend. I'm mad, you know? Pull your. Pull your pants up. You look ridiculous.

[Unknown]

Ralph. This is the last time I want to see you come in last in musical chairs, okay? I've trained you well. You should be at least mid pack by now.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, so they have this paint party, and Isis is the paint lady. She's like, this is acrylic painting. It's your. The animal will be your guardian during your life. So choose an animal that speaks to your soul. Ralph, why is your animal asleep already? God. The first thing he painted was sleeping eyes.

[Unknown]

Okay, Ralph, repeat after me, okay? I'm gonna sing a song, and when I stop singing, sit down. Money can't buy you line. That was not a stop. That was me trying to figure out the rest of the line. Stand up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hard to get up now. Straight onto the floor.

[Unknown]

Ralph, when you sit down, you have to sit down in a chair.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come on.

[Unknown]

You can do this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so she's. They have to paint spirit animals. So Ash is like, okay, who are.

[Unknown]

All the other dragons? And Shannon's like, luann took the other dragon.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm keeping the dragon. Dragon, sit down.

[Unknown]

All right, Ralph, last time I checked, the dragon beat you in musical chairs. It's unacceptable. All right, from the top.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Ashley and Luann also picked dragon. So the producer's like, if you were to face off, whose dragon is winning?

[Unknown]

And Shannon's like, giselle's dragon's gonna win. Let's be honest. My dragon really just wants a decent appetizer and some clean towels.

I, I. I was born in the year of the dragon, but it's a rare dragon. It's a dragon that only eats quinoa. It's a very healthy and holistic dragon.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ralph's like, why am I so into this? So then Ashley's like, I just love Ralph.

[Unknown]

I mean, look how he lights up painting his little chameleon. And I could just see him hanging out with my kids, them falling asleep, and one of my kids turning on a stove and possibly starting the house on fire. And I'd be like, oh, Ralph, did you fall asleep again? And then I'd shake him a little and say, ralph, Ralph, Ralph. I'd throw water on him, and he'd come back, and I thought, ralph. And he'd say, I was going towards the light. Ralph, you're supposed to be babysitting. Where was I?

[Ben Mandelker]

There was no indication that Ralph was lighting up any more than anyone else while he was painting his spirit animal. He's like, oh, yeah, get that paint on the animal. I'm like, he's just painting.

[Unknown]

She's like, oh, look how he slights up.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, that. You're projecting, Ashley.

[Unknown]

He is.

[Ben Mandelker]

He is dead in the eyes.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, of course, James is all over Luann and is making Mark crazy. And James is like, give me the bang.

[Unknown]

Give me the bang. I want to bang the.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're making me nervous, James.

[Unknown]

And I like it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know he has, like, paint on his face. He's, like, painted Luann. And, like, what was so weird was, like, this was not, like, face paint. This was like, like, ceramic paint. And, like, Luann has, like, a little, like, avatar, like, dots and lines and things. And I don't know why they were the only two people that were doing this, because it's not face paint. I feel like it's not healthy to put, like, ceramic paint on your face. I feel like it's, like, a bad thing to do. Right?

[Unknown]

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

But they're just, like, doing their own.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're talking. I mean, like, they're acting like a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Couple you would see on hbo Real Sex, where you're like, oh, yeah, this will be sexy. And it's just like, oh, it's creepy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. They're painting themselves and each other and getting all sexy with it and just laughing. And everyone's staring at them like, what the hell? So Giselle's telling Mark to get over and stop letting James bring her down. Then they talk about their kids, and she had to get one of the girls out of Florida because there was a hurricane coming. Dun, dun, dun. First we've heard of it this episode. And Mark is like, yeah, Earl the Pearl's nervous about that. He's got a house there. So she turns to Earl, and she's like, are you nervous about the hurricane? This is the best thing that ever happened to me. Had to evacuate my daughter. Tell me about the hurricane. Are you going to cry?

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, well, I've been thinking about it all day, and I'm getting alerts for Pinellas county, where my house is. And I'm just very scared that a hurricane could knock over some sort of farm stand and vegetables could get into the house. I just don't want that to happen. So, you know, I haven't taped up the windows. A carrot could come flying right through into the living room. It'd be terrible.

[Ronnie Karam]

A carrot. And Giselle tells Shannon, wow, Earl the Pearl has two homes. Two homes, Shannon.

[Unknown]

And she's like, well, yes, he has a second home. He. In St. Petersburg. It's not on the water.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is their takeaway. There's a hurricane aiming towards his house, and their takeaway is, ooh, he has a Second house.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, yeah, shitty one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Inland?

[Unknown]

No, not waterfront property. Well, that's great. I will look forward to seeing the views of more land.

Why would we call you Earl and the Pearl? Those are sea creatures. Earl the squirrel. That's what Earl should be. Earl the squirrel living in a tree.

Do they. Do they have plenty of water towers where you live since you are so far from the coasts where you can get fresh water? Well, soft water, but you know what I'm saying.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, I want to bring everybody together for a brief moment to talk about something that fascinates me. Liza Minnelli and flip flops. I have never. I mean, have some self respect. I mean, sister is Lorna Loft a cabaret legend.

[Unknown]

It's just terrible.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so they're all, like, laughing at her face makeup.

[Unknown]

And she goes, well, the story goes like this. Friends and I met in Tulum, Mexico. That is not Tulum, Idaho, and started the biggest fetish festival in the world. Or I should say I met friends who then started that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I didn't meet them. And then we started.

[Unknown]

The point is, there's a fetish festival, so fetishes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Am I right? And so Giselle goes, oh, well, Luann, what's your fetish?

[Unknown]

Well, my fetish, much like Amy Grant.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is hats and, like.

[Unknown]

And we see footage of her being like, here's this. Okay, here's one fedora. Here's one that's a slightly smaller fedora. This is called a French fedora. Are you watching, James? Pay attention to that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hats.

[Unknown]

Do you have sex with hats on? I've never heard of a fetish of hats. Is that a thing? My fetish is calories. That really gets me going. Just getting there towards the end zone and saying, how many calories are in a bagel? And if you can't answer, boom, dead. I'm cold inside.

My. My. I would say that my fetish are Quest nutrition bars. I just enjoy them so much. Oh, is it a sexual fetish? Oh, well, in that case, I think my sexual fetish is just wrapping myself in a sheet and closing my eyes.

Sexually, though, my fetish is dating the housewife. Okay, well, that is. That is.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's called a fame monger, darling. That's a fame monger, darling.

[Unknown]

Yeah. That's not a good answer.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Wale is like, yeah, with James, you kind of have to take them in dosages. And Ralph is like.

[Unknown]

I mean, it's like, shut the up already. I'm over it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Shannon asks what Ralph's fetish is and goes Silence.

[Unknown]

Ooh, that's sexy. Silent sex. I love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they all laugh. And then Ashley is asking Mitch if he likes Luann, and he's like, oh, yeah. Like, she's unbelievable. Like, she could do whatever the hell she wants. So attractive and cool, even with all that crazy face makeup. But I've only had all five minutes.

[Unknown]

And she's like, well, you guys go assert yourself.

Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

Assert yourself. I can definitely do that in a very chill, calm way for the rest of the episode.

[Ronnie Karam]

This guy. This guy came out of nowhere. He's like, literally the guy sitting in the back of the bowling alley with a cigarette. He never bowls. Like, what is that guy even doing here? And then suddenly, he gets up and starts yelling at somebody. Who are you? So he's like, yeah, I'm. Ashley says you don't get good vibes. And he's like, I'm a psychotherapist girl. They're talking about James being crazy. So Ashley's like, mitch might be onto something.

[Unknown]

You know, James is sweet and kind, but, I mean, he's ready to pop the question right now. I mean, slow down, playa.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Mark and Giselle are painting, and he asked her for a talk. Oh, my gosh. So he's like, so is it not true that you and I have only had one chance to talk? Now, I know that this might seem weird to you, but I found out you've got daughters in their 20s, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So I, I. I just want you to know I saw that you are a lady and you exist in this villa, so are you okay? What's happening over there?

[Unknown]

What are you seeing?

[Ben Mandelker]

Is it an animal? Rania's looking out his window. Something has caught Rania's attention.

[Ronnie Karam]

There were two ladies talking in my driveway, and I was like, who is that? And I look down there, and they've both got caution. Those yellow caution vests on. I don't know what they're doing.

[Unknown]

It's a sign. It's a sign James is coming. Caution.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Marcus Bayless.

[Ronnie Karam]

Caution. Rake coming. Take this. Do something. Do something while you're talking in my driveway. Could use. Here's a leaf blower.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Mark is basically trying to bark up Giselle's tree, even though a second ago he was getting mad at James. It's like, you. Listen, you need to create some buffer space before you get jealous over Luan's suitor, before you decide you're going to pivot to Giselle. And on top of that, not only was he getting jealous about James, he was venting to Giselle about it. So now he's pivoting and saying, by the way, I'm interested in you. And she's like, no, you're focused on Luann. You got booted out, and now you're back. And then your focus went back to Luann, as it should. And then it's like week three, and you're like, oh, Giselle, let's chat. Because I'm sick of playing Luann's game.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He's like, come on. I begged to differ. Come on. The truth is, I'm attracted to you. She's like, this doesn't make any sense, Mark. The end. The end. Period.

[Ben Mandelker]

He goes, the end. She's the end.

[Unknown]

I love that. She's like, no, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because what he should have said was, you know, the truth was, I came here, you know, I was into Luann. But I've. I've sort of realized Luann, like, is. Is not my style. And the more I've gotten to know you, I've realized that actually I had. There's someone here that I've completely turned a blind eye towards. And that was a total mistake on my part, because the more I've gotten to know you, the more I realize that you're actually the one. He doesn't do any of that. He's just like, yeah, yeah, I like you. Now. You gotta be a little smoother about it, Mark.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he was not good. So he knows he fucked that one up. So he goes to get a drink. So now Phil comes to talk to Giselle, and he's like, I don't want.

[Unknown]

Any guy to talk to you, but, you know, we are at the Love Hotel, aren't we? Things happen at the Love Hotel.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, we are here. And Lord have mercy, we are here. I think I had a bad date last night with Cynthia. And I'm surprised you don't know Cynthia, because she lives in Los Angeles.

[Unknown]

Oh, no, I do know her. Her and Mike have been to the.

House in Bel Air.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, did you tell her that? It's like, no.

[Unknown]

No, I didn't tell her because she didn't recognize me. And I've only met her one time. I think I. I know Mike. Mike. Very trustworthy man.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mike.

[Unknown]

Very. Well.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mike Bailey.

[Ben Mandelker]

Giselle's like, cynthia Bailey has been to your home. And you didn't mention that? That when you don't share information, makes me feel like you're hiding something, which is lying. I actually also think this is weird. I get it. It's like, oh, she didn't remember me. I'm not gonna even bother doing the whole name game thing, but I feel like Mark really picks and chooses the information he gives, and I think it would just drive me absolutely nuts. I'm not. I'm not even. I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Phil. I'm not even sure that it's, like, even malicious. I just would go nuts being like, wait, why didn't you tell me that would be that constantly? Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. If anything, it makes him look kind of climberish. Because, like, you're a friend of Bravo people now. You ended up on a Bravo show. Maybe that's why he didn't say it. Or maybe he's just like, I'm just.

[Unknown]

One with the world. I know everybody, and Cynthia's been to my home.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, Cynthia didn't even recognize him, so it's not like he's got something going on with Cynthia, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

It also says something about Cynthia that she went to someone's home and then, like, didn't even remember. Like. Like didn't even remember the guy whose home she went to.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's me. Hi. Nice to meet you.

[Ben Mandelker]

No one remember that long ago.

[Ronnie Karam]

Smoked a lot of weed.

[Ben Mandelker]

So meanwhile, James and Luann are looking at a flower.

[Unknown]

Do you do something funny like you're being born from the flower, James? Yes. Yes. All right, we're going to take a photo of you, James.

He's like, ah. Say cheese.

Yes, that's the photo, James.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now Earl and Shannon are talking about her feelings over her kids leaving.

[Unknown]

And she's like, oh, well, I. I'm good. I'm gonna see him in two weeks. And don't find my friends every moment of the day. I click it. I make their watches beep. Just say, lost. Lost her phone. Lost her. Lost her phone. Beep, beep, beep. Mom, why are you making my phone call me back? Lost my daughter. Thank you, Steve Job. How are you, Earl?

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, I'm a little down.

[Unknown]

Tonight, but I've been getting calls all day.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everyone's shitting bricks, pretty much.

[Unknown]

Oh, well, I have actually a colonic you can use. It wasn't on the shelves for very long, but it should last. I mean, it's wet. Goes up your butt. Things come out.

So I have a question, Earl. Why do you want to have a house there if there's so much possibility of damage? You know what? I take that back, because people ask me that the same Question. Except it was phrased as, why do you want to marry that man when there's such a possibility of damage? So I guess I understand.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was gonna say it's like anybody who dates you could be asked the same question. Like, you're dating Shannon. You know you're gonna be damaged by the end.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shannon knows a thing or two about damage potential. So. Headline. Helene rumbles into Georgia as dangerous. Category 1 hurricane after slamming Florida.

[Unknown]

Yeah, Earl, who is Helene? Why have you not been open to me? Helene?

Mean.

[Ronnie Karam]

So he's like, well, you know, we never took a direct hit in Pinellas County. Victim, blamer.

[Unknown]

Geez.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, oh, you haven't.

[Unknown]

Oh, well, then, okay, I. I take it back. Pinellas county never been hit. Why would you be worried?

And he's like, well, in Pinellas county, which, as we all know, is in Texas. Georgia, Florida. Where is that again?

Where the lake is. Pinellas County.

[Ben Mandelker]

County is Pinellas County. That's. That's the. The. I wasn't sure if that was this Lawrenceville county or his Tampa county, but it says Tampa County.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, the last two years, it was coming for me, and then it went right.

[Unknown]

Well, it might change. It might just go left or right. Backwards, forwards. So many dry up, down so many directions. Reverse circle.

I'm sorry, I come from a land of earthquakes. I'm really not sure how to do hurricane toxic positivity. Just. I'll just say you're doing great and find a door frame. Does that work for hurricanes? No.

[Ronnie Karam]

But also, it kind of cracked me up when Shannon's like, wow, why would.

[Unknown]

You live somewhere so dangerous, Earl, you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Moron, you live in California.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

What are you talking about? We literally are in fear of death every day here, and we just keep going on, let's build another home goods.

[Ben Mandelker]

She doesn't really know what to say.

[Unknown]

So she's like, well, I have a feeling you're going to be a. Okay, Earl. They don't call you Earl to Pearl for nothing. Pearls go through a lot. They have to live inside an oyster.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shell for most their lives before they.

[Unknown]

Get spat out and rejected.

Much like me and my relationships just thrown out, even though I myself am a precious, precious little item. But that's fine. Just shoot me out while you go and walk on the beach with your slutty oyster friend. I'm sorry, what were you saying, Earl?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, you're right. It could go anyway. And that's one of the things I'm crazy about with you.

[Unknown]

The way you Care the way you care. Oh, I sure do forgot what we were talking about. But I'll be right back after I get a Diet Coke with tequila in it.

Excuse me. Do you want something? You were saying something you were concerned about. Hurricanes. I can tell you that they go down very easily, and they're not. They really don't have as much alcohol content as you think. So don't be afraid of the hurricanes.

They're so good, they even have a glass named after them.

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Commercials.

[Unknown]

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[Unknown]

It's kind of like when you give.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yourself your own nickname and you try to, like, get other people to do it.

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[Ben Mandelker]

So, Phil, how are you feeling? And Phil's like, well, I'm feeling good. You know, I've been hurt a few times.

[Unknown]

Like the one time GPS took me out of Bel Air.

[Ben Mandelker]

That hurt.

[Unknown]

But I got home, it was okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, well, we've all been hurt, Phil.

[Unknown]

I know. But for me, I'm 63, so I.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don'T have much time left to get hurt again.

[Unknown]

Look, I'm speaking like you, Giselle.

I don't have time to play games and hide myself. I. I can see us being friends. I could see us being lovers. I could see us picking up trash and Bel Air and wondering, who left this trash? Who would do it? Running DNA tests on the trash to see if anybody left skin cells so we could take it to the HoA and bring them down. How dare you mess with Bella.

[Ben Mandelker]

Friends and lovers. Ah, this is new. Phil doesn't talk like this. Where has this guy been? I'm happy that he's finally expressing himself, but is it because we are coming to the end of the Love hotel, or do you really love Giselle's dirty drawers?

[Unknown]

Which one is it?

[Ronnie Karam]

I Think typical Giselle fashion, she speaks in third person. She goes, giselle has to make a decision. Nah. He's like, yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Wale and Ashley are gonna have a conversation.

[Unknown]

And he's like, I grew up in a tough neighborhood.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, you did?

[Unknown]

In Rhode Island. Are there tough neighborhoods in Rhode Island?

Yeah, there's tough neighborhoods everywhere.

Oh, I didn't know. I mean, educate me.

I mean, in my household, it was super loving. So there was always confidence in me from my mother, because my mother is big. Big on words of affirmation. Like, I never went a day without being told, like, I'm smarter, handsome, or I love you. So, you know, if you hear that all the time, like, even if it's not true, and I'm gonna believe it, you know, big things do, you know? And that's what I always do with my niece, too. I'm always, like, trying to compliment her and make her feel good. Like, I'm a real family man.

Oh, my God, that is, like, so beautiful. Wally, you know what? Like, the situation with, like, their f. Like, my children, their father, like, it didn't work out. Like, Wale saying this, he just got, like, a thousand more points. Unfortunately, Ralph just got 10, 000 more points because he snorted out a ceramic.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, I believe the words matter.

[Unknown]

She's like, they do. I gotta poop. Be right back.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, oh, wait a minute. And he's like, well, but can I kiss you one more time in case you disappear? Because you know what happens when you go to the bathroom? That's all I'm saying. Check.

[Unknown]

How dare you? How dare you? How dare.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just mean you'll never come back.

[Unknown]

Oh, that. Well, that's not true.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like. It is true.

[Unknown]

Okay, well. Well, touche, touche. But you know what? My poop's not staying in there, so.

So they do kiss.

[Ben Mandelker]

And now 66, 65 hours until checkout, and Luann and James are laying on pool chairs, and they're all intertwined.

[Unknown]

Come here, James.

You know, the great thing about us is that both of us sometimes get real busy in our worlds.

Yeah, you're in Maui. I mean, how's that gonna work out? Do they even have cabarets in Maui? I don't think so.

Well, I'm busy. But it's gonna work, Luann. Don't you worry.

[Ronnie Karam]

You need a private plane.

[Unknown]

He goes, I had a pee pee right here. Honey.

That was funny. I'm gonna use that in my.

[Ronnie Karam]

In my bit.

[Unknown]

Wow. I really? Like pps, you know? I don't know what a long distance relationship would look like with James, but we have incredible chemistry together. He cares about me so much.

Yeah.

When we leave this hotel, our relationship is gonna get even better. Yeah.

It's not that I don't trust James. It's just. Just like, you know, it's just how hard it is on a relationship because I've been through it all. I've been to prison. I've been traveling.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've been to Maui.

[Unknown]

Sometimes I know if I can do it.

We'll manifest all the dreams we ever had, Luanne. Me, you, my pee pee, my face makeup. It's gonna be great.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, all right, let's see.

[Unknown]

Number one right now. I want to manifest a kid kiss. Give me a kiss, wife of mine.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, that's crazy.

[Unknown]

I want to see inside your bedroom at all times. That's why I've installed cameras in there.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is disgusting. And so attractive. Make out with me, you beast.

[Unknown]

Please let me know what my angles are so I can adjust the lighting appropriately.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Theo and Giselle are talking, and Theo's like. She's like, so, have you ever done modeling? I have modeled, but I'm actually too short to model.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

But what about print modeling or something sad and pathetic like that? Well, I suppose I could do print, the way you say it. Well, I'm not a model, but I did do some Runway years ago. So guess what? You just got Theoed. Because me asking you about modeling, really, I didn't care. I just want to tell you that I once walked on a Runway. So, yeah, it was great. I loved it. You know, you just walk down, and then he walked back up again. It was a. It was a fine establishment called the Brownstone.

[Unknown]

Have you ever heard of it?

[Ben Mandelker]

The brand was called Posh.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Theo's like, yeah, I had the whole walk down and everything. And so he was an ex Ford model. Wow. And then we see.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, he was Theo or Phil. Theo just did, like, a show. But then Giselle's like, well, I could definitely see Theo on a Runway. And the producer goes, well, you know that Phil is an X Ford model. And just. I was like, what? And we see photos of Phil, like, modeling and, like, doing work.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Like, fairly recently. And he's like, oh, yes, I've worked.

[Unknown]

At the Ford Modeling Agency. I've been with about. With him for about 40 years. It's very enjoyable. What can I say? I'm a man of many talents. One of them is Doing this just.

I was like, why. Wait? Why do I. Why.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why am I just finding this out now and not even from him? She's like, you know, you've made me feel like I don't know what it is. There's something about Dude. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is, Theo. And I was like, well, I got.

[Unknown]

No problem with self confidence.

[Ben Mandelker]

Confidence. I see that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, Giselle. Just finding reasons to pull away.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. To be honest, I really don't mind Theo. Theo hasn't done anything that's actually rubbed me the wrong way.

[Ronnie Karam]

And again, I don't like Theo because of his very first.

[Unknown]

Oh, God.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm trying to readjust my mic arm because of his. Am I turning it the wrong way? It's Lefty Lucy. Right? God damn it.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I never know what's going.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, geez. Oh, no, I lost it. I guess we could have seen that one coming. I don't like him because in the very beginning, he was like my ex. He said something like, my ex. Wow. Yeah. My ex wife. He's something like, my ex wife is a. And I'm like, what is that kind of first impression? Like, yeah, it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

He also gave me.

[Ronnie Karam]

He gave me the creeps. And he's. He's also the one who's like, yeah, women just want me because I'm a doctor. They want me for all my money. I'm like, oh, please. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And we probably should be wary of him having such a good body. Like, he should not have as good of a body as he does. And so that means he probably likes to go out and play the field, let's be honest. So Ashley is now talking to Ralph.

[Unknown]

So were you uncomfortable? I mean, were you comfortable talking about your fetishes, or was that, like, it was just a setting?

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, oh, not in that particular environment. No, I didn't really want to talk about there. She's like, oh, okay.

[Unknown]

Well.

Well, for my. For my.

You know, for my few.

[Ronnie Karam]

30.

[Unknown]

Thirsty. 6 year. 36 years, I lived quite a bit of a life, and I had a lady relationship the last couple years. So what do you think about that?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, well, if it's something part of who you are, it should be discussed. And if. If it's just like, well, I'm just kind of over. Just like a phase. That's a whole other conversation.

[Unknown]

Like, it's not a phase, Ralph. I mean, this is supposed to be turning you fine. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, no, Gay people are terrifying.

[Unknown]

She's like, well, I'm just gonna go where my feelings take me.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, well.

[Unknown]

She goes, well, yeah, why don't I just. I mean, if you were a female and I was interested in Rachel versus Ralph.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, I don't want a female name, thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Extremely heteronormative. So anything we can do to stay on that. On that path would be great.

[Unknown]

Please don't damage my self image.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Ralph is like my relationship.

[Ronnie Karam]

I see Ashley dating an older man. Obvious, because we have seen it. She was married. She's dating Roth now. But I don't see her dating an older woman. I see her as like a hot girl by. Don't you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's not.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, she's like, she's not going to go date Cherry Jones next?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I mean she's. She's not going for Holland Taylor.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I just. Yeah, I just point that out because she's like, well, if you were a female Ralph, you would not date female Ralph. Cut it out.

[Ben Mandelker]

You. Yeah. Nope. So she's just talking about how she really likes monogamy now and you know, blah, blah, blah. And Ralph is like, I don't judge. And I appreciate that. She's open like that and not scared whatsoever. Are you going to make me wear a dress?

[Unknown]

Please don't make me do this.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think you do judge because people who don't judge don't say, I don't judge. Like the fact that you're even saying judge means that there's something there to judge. There's not really anything there to judge. She dates whoever she fits when she's not with you. It doesn't. Doesn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

You were a little bit too testy about. Don't give me a female name to make me feel like you don't judge. Like that's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well. And also, why are you threatened by.

[Ben Mandelker]

Her saying her name was Rachel?

[Ronnie Karam]

Usually I don't judge as followed by something like just keep it to yourself. Or like, I don't judge, but I don't need to hear about it. You know, it's giving me. It's giving me creepo vibes with that one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I've been trying hard to not.

[Unknown]

Like fall for you completely.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it scares the shit out of me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm just so terrified. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Mitch is getting some one on one time with Luann finally. So he's like, so what kind of man do you want to come home to? What do you need?

[Unknown]

What do I Need.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, is it money, looks, power that'll get most people into bad relationships.

[Unknown]

Well. Well, what I look for, honestly, Money, looks and power. Wait a second. What are you trying to say, Mitch?

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't judge. And he's like, well, I gotta tell you about James. That guy, he doesn't treat you with.

[Unknown]

Respect, and I can't believe you take it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, well, it's obvious that James and I would get along. We like each other a lot. And how dare you? And guess what? He just got me a drink at the bar.

[Unknown]

Goodbye.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Because Luann immediately was like, red flags.

[Unknown]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

And she starts, like, looking around nervously, like, how the hell do I get.

[Unknown]

Out of this conversation with this strange man from Survivor?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't like this anymore. More so she. She basically escapes.

[Ronnie Karam]

And yeah, that was a wrong move on his part. I mean, if you're going to come on to Luan, be like, listen, that guy's a weirdo. Come with me. Or not even say that. Just be like, you know, I think you've been spending so much time with James, you haven't realized there's other options right in front of you or something. But to go just like, you know, tattletail on the guy or like, try and get the guy in trouble is a W move.

[Ben Mandelker]

He was too much in his psychotherapist role. Cuz him saying to her, little money, power, and whatever will get a lot of people to trouble. It's almost like he's passing judgment on her choices and she's immediately turned off. He should have just been like, I.

[Unknown]

Know you and James have a connection.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, you know, I. I think. I don't know what he would have said, but pretty much any. Anything other than what he said. It was really a big.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was really bad. And besides, you know what? Money and power may get me into trouble, but guess what? What else it gets me into? Money and power hour.

[Unknown]

She's like, stop trying to rewrite my song.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know all the lessons.

[Unknown]

It's called money can't buy you class.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay?

[Unknown]

Learn my catalog before you sit down with me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So now she goes to find James, and she pretends that she's getting a drink, but she's not. She's just like, get me out of here. Get me out of here. And so then James comes down and he's shirtless, and she's like, oh, my God, James, why don't you have a shirt on? Go put a shirt on.

[Unknown]

Disgusting.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because they're all gathering for, like, another scene with Joel. So they're all gathering around the sofas, and he's, like, just shirtless for some reason. He said, what?

[Unknown]

I was too hot?

No. You can't be in here without a shirt. Go back to your room and get a shirt.

No, they told me no shirt.

No, absolutely not. Not under my watch.

Okay, no, but I want a buzzer.

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Unknown]

No, it does not. It doesn't look chic. Get out of here. Go get a shirt on.

Am I in trouble?

Yes. Get the hell out of here.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm mad. From the psychotherapist. And now he.

[Unknown]

You is terrible.

And Ashley goes, yeah, she's very much about decorum.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah, the Countess. Huge on decorum.

[Unknown]

Shannon's like, really? She has sex with hats.

So.

Okay, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Giselle turns to Phil, goes, well, you are the fashionista. You're supposed to tell James.

[Unknown]

He's like, well, I told him that we don't. That we always wear shirts in Bel Air, but he doesn't listen.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Shannon's wearing this big stripe striped hat, and Joel loves it, and he's like, oh, wow. So who's this gorgeous woman behind the hat? It's so Titanic. Can't wait for it to sink. Okay, everybody, let's talk to Earl.

[Unknown]

It's nice to know that the kitchen staff here has watched Titanic. I thought that was only an American thing. That's so lovely.

I love that the kitchen staff can watch films where the kitchen staff dies. That's very brave of the.

[Ronnie Karam]

You person.

[Unknown]

Oh, and as long as you're here, sir, from the kitchen, I just want to say, for the gentleman to my. To my left, no vegetables, please. Thank you so much.

Look at me being supportive. People on the Titanic learn, too. A little too late, but still.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Joel's like, any announcements to make? And I was like, I've got one. Shannon gave me her key and asked me to move in with her.

[Unknown]

Well, if Luann can a hat, I can try it with Earl.

Well, when I learned that his hat. That one of his two houses was landlocked, I thought, let me let him see what it's like to have a view of the ocean for once. So I said, come on in, Merle. Move into my. Into my house. My. My hotel house. I'm sure nothing will go wrong.

[Ronnie Karam]

So everybody is, like, applauding them and stuff. And Shannon's like, well, it is very.

[Unknown]

Bold of me, and I'm not in a rush to get there before anyone else. But it's crunch time. Not literally. I don't. But, Earl, can we make it beyond the love hotel, you know, living situation. I know my daughters and I don't see Earl being compatible because I said, do you see me being compatible? And they said, ah. And then they tried to run away and then I pressed to find my daughters and they started beeping and I said, get out of the bathroom and answer my question.

And then they said, mom, why do you have so much chocolate on your face? And I said, well, it's crunch time. And then they took away my Nestle's Crunch bar, which was sad.

[Ben Mandelker]

So.

[Unknown]

Jen's like, well, maybe I want simple. Maybe I want a man who is very simple, who cares about going to the Bass Pro shop and Tommy Bahamas and seeing land and not sea. And I don't know, that could be a nice life for me. I could learn to like it. I think Pinellas county, wherever that is.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Ashley thinks it's a good idea. Luan's like, terrible idea. Oh, my God, I hope she doesn't have vegetables in a room. Let's put it that way. I know she does. Ralph's over there all the time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, everyone, this is the end of part one of this recap for part two. Keep an eye on your podcast feed. It is coming up in just a moment. Thanks so much for listening. Catch you on the second half. Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Allison King King.

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[Ronnie Karam]

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