#2887 Crappy Hour 6/6/2025: Bravo Hellos, Goodbyes, and Give Me 20 Mils w Justinian Huang

Summary

Watch What Crappens - Episode #2887: Crappy Hour 6/6/2025

Release Date: June 11, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the latest happenings within the Bravo universe. With an abundance of drama and cast changes across various reality shows, the duo provides their signature mix of praise, ridicule, and insightful commentary. The episode also features a special guest, Justinian Hoang, an accomplished writer, who brings his unique perspective to the conversation.

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Guest Spotlight: Justinian Hoang

[03:24] Ben Mandelker:
"We have a guest tonight who is not only hot but also an extremely funny and talented writer."

Justinian Hoang joins the discussion, sharing his journey as an author and his experiences interacting with the hosts. He mentions his previous works, "The Emperor and the Endless Palace" and his upcoming book, "Lucky Seed", set to release on November 11th.

[04:56] Ronnie Karam:
"I never have a boyfriend either. It's good to meet another one of me in the wild."

Justinian humorously reflects on his connection with the hosts, describing them as his "paranormal Brave sisters" and likening their interactions to parasocial relationships.

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Real Housewives of New York City: Major Cast Shakeups

The conversation swiftly moves to the tumultuous updates surrounding Real Housewives of New York City (RHONY).

Bryn Whitfield's Departure

[12:28] Ben Mandelker:
"Bryn Whitfield claims that she quit the Real Housewives of New York City... making it big."

Bryn Whitfield announced her departure from RHONY, citing a desire to focus on her burgeoning dating app, Hoppy. She expressed her intention to steer clear of reality TV to concentrate on building her app into a global powerhouse.

[13:02] Ronnie Karam:
"I love that her dating app is named after Bethany's ex."

The hosts humorously critique Bryn's abrupt exit, speculating on the authenticity of her reasons and the potential financial motives behind her departure.

[15:59] Ben Mandelker:
"I don't think Bravo wants to deal with Bryn. She was like very detested. And honestly, like everything that happened at the end of the Roni season where she was really setting UBA up..."

They delve into Bryn's controversial statements about the show's authenticity, dissecting her legal statement and questioning the validity of her claims regarding defamatory photos.

Rachel Zo's Return and Other Cast Dynamics

[16:25] Ronnie Karam:
"The big thing that people were talking about over the weekend was that Rachel Zo is coming back to Bravo."

The potential return of Rachel Zo sparks excitement and skepticism. The hosts debate whether her presence will rejuvenate the show or fail to add meaningful drama. They reminisce about her past feuds and iconic moments, pondering her ability to stir the pot once again.

[22:00] Ronnie Karam:
"I think it's a good transitional season. It's very strong."

Discussions also touch upon other key cast members like Teddy Mellencamp and Kyle Richards, analyzing their evolving roles and the impact of their personal dramas on the show's dynamics.

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Summer House: Casting Challenges and Future Prospects

Shifting focus to another flagship Bravo series, Summer House, the hosts examine recent cast changes and the show's direction.

Paige Sorbo and Lexi Wood Exit

[48:00] Ben Mandelker:
"Lexi Wood, out of here. She's like, oh, my God."

The departure of Paige Sorbo and Lexi Wood raises questions about the show's future stability. The hosts speculate on Bravo's strategy to minimize cast turnover while maintaining viewer interest.

Carl Rathke's Controversial Status

[49:29] Ronnie Karam:
"Ben, I don't know that we need Kenya back necessarily, because everything was. I think bringing back all the old people doesn't necessarily help anything."

Carl Rathke's ongoing issues, including rumors about his commitment to the show and personal struggles, are hotly debated. The hosts express concern over his potential impact on the show's reputation and viewer perception.

Casting Suggestions and Industry Insights

[50:40] Ronnie Karam:
"They tend to go more like Lexi. I think they're going to do a lot of..."

The hosts argue for a more authentic and media-savvy cast, contrasting current casting choices with the strategic selections that once made the show a hit. They critique Bravo's inclination towards reality stars from shows like Love Island USA, questioning the cultural fit and audience engagement of such crossovers.

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Legal Drama and Defamation Concerns

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the legal troubles faced by RHONY cast members, particularly Bryn Whitfield's allegations of defamation related to unauthorized photos.

[33:24] Ben Mandelker:
"As a Bravo watcher, I'm sad the way this has panned out. I'd rather have to have everything happen on camera."

The hosts meticulously analyze the complexities of Bryn's legal stance, debating the merits and potential fallout of her statements. They consider the implications of her public declarations and the broader impact on Bravo's legal strategies.

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Book Promotion: Justinian Hoang's "Forgotten" and "Lucky Seed"

Towards the end of the episode, Justinian Hoang takes the spotlight to promote his literary works.

[45:52] Justinian Hoang:
"This book is really pretty, but don't be fooled. It's very erotic. It's about two soulmates who keep reincarnating as doomed lovers over 2,000 years."

He describes "Forgotten" as a blend of Real Housewives references and ancient Chinese court intrigue, while "Lucky Seed" is portrayed as a fusion of Succession and Crazy Rich Asians, centered around a wealthy West LA family vying for male heir supremacy.

[46:35] Ben Mandelker:
"Go find those books, everybody, and follow Justin on Instagram at Justinian Huang. Love you, buddy."

The hosts wholeheartedly support Justinian's endeavors, encouraging listeners to explore his novels and connect with him on social media.

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Closing Thoughts and Future Episodes

As the episode wraps up, Ben and Ronnie reflect on the ongoing challenges and potential rejuvenations within Bravo's reality TV landscape. They emphasize the importance of authentic casting and anticipate future drama that continues to captivate their audience.

[55:01] Ben Mandelker:
"She's VVIP It's Amanda V. Can't lose when you're with Amy Baldwin somebody get..."

Their signature humorous banter concludes the episode, leaving listeners eager for the next installment of Watch What Crappens.

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Notable Quotes

• Ben Mandelker ([07:17]):
  "I get obviously, obviously Hoppy paid for that article. You know, like that's Hoppy was."

• Ronnie Karam ([09:11]):
  "Everything here is absolutely authentic. And I apologize on behalf of me and the Todd family."

• Justinian Hoang ([35:37]):
  "As a Bravo watcher, I'm sad the way this has panned out. I'd rather have to have everything happen on camera."

• Ben Mandelker ([41:20]):
  "There's no carriers. I need carriers. Remember when they used to carry your groceries to the car?"

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Conclusion

Episode #2887 of Watch What Crappens offers a comprehensive and entertaining exploration of the latest Bravo reality TV dramas. With insightful commentary, engaging guest interactions, and a deep dive into the intricate dynamics of shows like Real Housewives of New York City and Summer House, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam deliver a rich and informative episode. Whether you're a dedicated fan or a casual observer, this episode provides valuable insights and plenty of laughs, making it a must-listen for anyone intrigued by the colorful world of Bravo.

Transcript

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much crap?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. Crappy hour. I'm Ronnie. Right, There's Ben. Hi, Ben.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, how are you? How's it going?

[Ben Mandelker]

What's going on this evening?

[Ronnie Karam]

What's not going on? This is like the biggest crappy hour of, like, the past six months. There's so much happening. There's so many headlines, so many things to talk about. And we even. We also have a guest tonight. It's just like, it's all happening.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, we have a lot to talk about. Our guest tonight is hot, so prepare yourselves.

[Ronnie Karam]

He always liked that.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's also an extremely funny and talented writer. He wrote the book the Emperor and the Endless palace, and his new book, Lucky Seed, comes out on November 11th. Please welcome Arthur and hottie Justinian Hoang. Justinian.

[Justinian Hoang]

Oh, my gosh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, Justinian.

[Justinian Hoang]

This is so surreal. You know, I've been listening to you two since Housewives Hoedown. Like, I'm like, yes, I have been. Yes, you have been my paranormal. Bravo sisters for, like, paranormal parasocial.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, yeah, we've been making. Guys, we have been making cabinets open and close in his house for all this time.

[Justinian Hoang]

Oh, it's you guys. I see. I actually do have a ghost in my house, but that's a different podcast. But, yeah, I've been. You know, I remember you had a third person who was like, the fact. That guy. I remember. And then he was. Yes, Matt. That's right. And then.

[Ben Mandelker]

What did you call him?

[Justinian Hoang]

Yeah, the fact guy. He was always the person. You two have always been the funny ones. You have always been the impersonators. But you've been making me laugh, like, on a weekly basis for 15 years. You know, I've never had a boyfriend. So you guys are like my funny boyfriends, I think.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

I never have a boyfriend either. It's good to meet another one of me in the wild.

[Justinian Hoang]

I know, right? And when I was living in China for years, you. You two and Wendy Williams were like my connection to. To America. So, yeah, it's. It's been. Yeah, it means a lot for me to be here. I've had to do. I've been able to do a lot of fun stuff since becoming an author. Like, I've gone to Bangkok and a lot of metal of interesting people. But this is like the giddy, full circle moment for me. I'm really appreciative here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right before we started this show, Justinian was like, oh, yeah, Well, I was in Norway and I was on this boat with a bunch of billionaires, and we were like, wait, hold on, we have to start the show. So we didn't even get.

[Justinian Hoang]

That's the thing. But that's the thing about being like, it's so funny. So few things have a sheen on them anymore. But being a published author, people just tend to be like, ooh, that's still something. That's still fancy for some reason, when really it's not, you know, it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Even reading is considered fancy because people don't really read as much. So when I'm like, oh, I'm in the middle of this book and it's so good, they're like, really, Ronnie? Meanwhile, it's like the dumbest piece of trash book that I'm reading. It's absolute brain rot. You know, I just want to say.

[Ronnie Karam]

That being a podcaster, we are treat very fancy. Like, for instance, sometimes. Sometimes we'll get free stickers.

[Justinian Hoang]

Don't be humble. Like I said y' all were when I was listening to y' all back when. Back when we were both at LA Fitness together. Ben.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Justinian Hoang]

I like, like, you guys were like, you were hustling and now you guys are bigger than abba. It's. I'm so proud.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right.

[Justinian Hoang]

I'm so maybe, maybe ABBA tribute. But still, you're like, Billy, you're building stad. So I'm very, very.

[Ronnie Karam]

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now, Justinian, you said you have a story about how we first met. Because my first thought was we ran into each other LA Fitness and like, nose before then. And then I was like, wait a second. There was an app that we talked on. Tell. Tell us the story.

[Justinian Hoang]

First of all, that LA Fitness was also the one where Sandal Jax worked out there. Sandoval worked out there. Kristen, Kristen worked out there. I. I never. I'll never forget Katie. Yes. Sandoval and Kristen would always stand at the front entrance and just wait for someone to recognize them. It was so cute. But okay, so Ben, we met pretty much.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, depending on how you look at it.

[Justinian Hoang]

I mean, it's okay, you know, what is sad? Yeah, Ben, you and I matched on Tinder. I think literally the first week it was out, like, we were like early adopters of Tinder. And the reason why this story is relevant is because it's Miami week and we had a lovely conversation where we were talking about Bravo. And then you ghosted me after I said something.

[Ronnie Karam]

Really?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Justinian Hoang]

You asked me who my favorite housewife was and I said Adriana de Mora. And then, you know, you stopped talking.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just ghosted you.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's crazy for, I think, actually, like, her. Well, what season?

[Ronnie Karam]

I was worried that you were gonna.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe that was the season she turned on black or something.

[Justinian Hoang]

No, I would never.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, it wasn't.

[Justinian Hoang]

I would never.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I was. I was hoping the story would be that you said Larsa Pippen and I could be like, well, sorry, I have taste. But like Adriana, that' that's not really ghostworthy. I don't know why it goes to you.

[Justinian Hoang]

I think it's because y' all were bet. I think you still are. But you. Y' all were like besties with Leah, right? And then, like, they were going through a really rough time and it was.

[Ben Mandelker]

We love Leah, but we still always liked Adriana. I mean, listen, it's. It's boxing, so you can like one boxer, but you still got it like the other ones. I mean, that chick's always been hilarious.

[Justinian Hoang]

Why don't y' all think they've promoted her to a full time housewife? Like, why do they just keep her in the wings like that? Is this some sort of, like, to keep.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it's actually because I think that, like, she's not. She doesn't have enough or she's not interesting enough on her own. And I think that there's some people who actually perform really well in like a mitigated role. I actually thought that Vicky, for instance, and think that Vicky has worked really well as a friend of. As opposed to a full fledged housewife. And then there have been a few others that have, like, been downgraded in a really strong way. So I feel like Adriana coming in as this agent of chaos is really good because she can be chaotic and then she could go away and we don't have to pretend like we actually care about what's going on in her personal life. That's fair, you know?

[Justinian Hoang]

That is fair.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Listen, we've already got a lady with a fucking goat and Martina. You know what I mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

How can you compete? Yeah, but I think it's to keep her thirsty. Candy in the comments said to keep her thirsty. And I think that's true because her and Marisol, too. Marisol's. And then look at all the shit they stir up to try and get more camera time to make sure they get those episode orders. So, yeah, you got to keep them on their toes. Yeah, the.

[Justinian Hoang]

The. The boat ride in Mexico was like. It was like it met scary island proportions. It was just the fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

It really did.

[Justinian Hoang]

I'm so excited for this season. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. I feel like not in such a dearth.

[Justinian Hoang]

Haven't we. There has been no Housewives other than.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, there's been. Atlanta has been on, which has been fine. It's been doing. You know, I feel like the season started stronger than it is now, but it's still like. It's like a perfectly fine season. But I know you're saying normally we have them on at the same time. Maybe this would be a good time to talk about all the stuff that's happening in the Real Housewives universe, because shit's going down on multiple shows. People are leaving, people are coming, and it's. It's a wild, wild situation.

[Ben Mandelker]

The going. And they're coming and going and going and coming, but always too soon. Little Blazing Saddles there for any dads in the audience. Any dad jokes out there. Yeah, a lot has been going on. One thing I read, I didn't put it in the document, but just speaking of Miami, I think Todd's daughter is like. She came out with something. It was like, that show is fake, and everything's fake and stupid. I was like, shut up, Todd's daughter. Okay? No one needs to hear from you. And we know this shit is fake, and we like it anyway. This show struggles enough without your stupid ass on it. You go back to your room. Go to your room.

[Ronnie Karam]

Excuse me. I would like to issue a formal.

[Ben Mandelker]

Apology for my daughter.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's a lovely woman. It was not up to her to say those things. Everything here is absolutely authentic. And I apologize on behalf of me and the Todd family. Thank you very much.

[Ben Mandelker]

I will now put down my paper. Okay, so a lot of what's been going on has been hirings and firings. Lot of. And pretend quittings. Today, Bryn Whitfield, which. I've got this on my phone, so I've gotta pull it up so I could read her statement. Bryn Whitfield claims that she quit the Real Housewives of New York City. But earlier this week, she was on, I think the Page Six Boys show virtual reality, and she was Talking about how she was supposed to be on Love Hotel, but she just couldn't take it after New York because she was so traumatized by the scene. You were the traumatizer. What are you talking about? So she couldn't go on that. Cause she was too traumatized. And so they replaced her with Jizz, which we kind of already knew, but, you know, in case anybody didn't. So then it seems like she's going to be going back to the show. But then today we get. I'm trying to turn this up so I can read it because my ass is 90 years old. He's turn over. Hold on. Do I have it on lock? Oh, yeah, I already had it unlocked. Okay. Making it big. Oh, geez. That's real big. Okay. It's really long. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

You should be narrating this in Bryn voice.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's really big. A little life update. After a lot of thought, I've made the decision to walk away from reality TV for now. Winky face. Last week, Hoppy, the dating app I co founded and proudly serve as Chief Marketing Officer, hit a massive download milestone. I can't even put into words how surreal it feels. All I want to do now is pour every ounce of energy into building Hoppy into the number one dating app in the world.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that her dating app is named after Bethany's ex.

[Justinian Hoang]

Yeah, I was about to say it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

A crash and burn sign. I know.

[Justinian Hoang]

That's terrifying.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cheetah brand.

[Justinian Hoang]

Oh, my God. I've been rewatching old Roni episodes just to like, commemorate the non cancellation of new Roni. I. It's. I. We. We had it so good. We had it. Even the. Even this season with Cindy Bar shop. We had it so good, you guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, that was an amazing season. The Vajassler.

[Justinian Hoang]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was a good season. We don't appreciate what we have until it's gone.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think a better. I think a better. A better rephrasing of that is even the season with Barbara. Or actually, let me update that again. Even the season with Elise.

[Ben Mandelker]

Barbara was good. She's like, I'm bisexual. I'm a builder. Bisexual builder.

[Ronnie Karam]

Barbara tool kits. And I'm running for mayor.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, remember when she ran for mayor and she's like these liberal idiots ruining the streets. I was like, oh, God. So Bryn has a big long one. I won't read the whole thing, but I did like this part. And check out my podcast and prepare to laugh, cry, and possibly poop when you read my book coming out later this year. And she's splitting her time between London and NYC offices. Copy, guys. She's very busy. As Sheryl Sandberg said, if you're offered a great seat on a rocket ship, don't ask what seat, just get on. So here we go. Rocket ship emojis.

[Ronnie Karam]

That rocket ship destroys, like Western Civilization.

[Justinian Hoang]

That's why they were rumors she was on Ladies of London. Oh, I get it now. Because I was hearing people say that she might be on Ladies of London. Oh, because she's working part time.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think that Bravo wants to deal with Bryn. Bryn was like very detested. And honestly, like everything that happened at the end of the Roni season where she was really setting UBA up, she was really weaponizing, you know, her sexual assault in a way that was like really gross to a lot of people. I don't think Bravo wants to mess with that. And they don't. I don't think they want to mess with her. I think they see her as a liability. And for her to be like, I.

[Ben Mandelker]

Decided to quit Rooney.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm like, at best you were fired. But also like, you were all fired. Why are you acting like you quit? They just put the show, they basically put the show on ice and you're acting like you quit. I'm like, you weren't asked back. None of you were.

[Justinian Hoang]

I get obviously, obviously Hoppy paid for that article. You know, like that's Hoppy was.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I love that, I love that she quoted Sheryl Sandberg, American technology executive of Meta Platforms. She's like, see, I have an app.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I'm quoting someone from Meta, Charles Sandberg. Ultimately, I could be wrong about this. I would love to hear what people have to say. But wasn't it like Sheryl Sandberg originally? People were like, yes, we love Sheryl Sandberg. Lean in, all that. And then nowadays, like her advice, her sort of girl boss advice has actually been viewed as more toxic. I could be wrong. Please let me know in the comments.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't think I'm toxic. Look, I don't know a lot about her, but I know that she believes in creating a bottom up culture. And listen, it's about time Bottoms took over. I agree. Poor things, they've gone through a lot. Give them the, give them the reins for a while, really.

[Ronnie Karam]

Goodbye, Br.

[Justinian Hoang]

Thanks for bringing back to Pride Month, Ronnie. I love that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Bryn is out, but we have some people coming back to Beverly Hills or coming back to Bravo first. The big thing that people were talking about over the weekend was that Rachel Zo bananas. Coming back to Bravo. I think this is. I don't know if this is great for Beverly Hills, but I think it's great for. Watch what crappens. I'm excited for us. I don't know if it's really going to help the show. I feel like I can't imagine her getting into drama. I just see her being on the sidelines being like, this is like bananas. Like, literally, I die. I die right now.

[Justinian Hoang]

Can I make a case for her? Even though I also am. I'm just trying to be. I'm trying to be optimistic, you know, but we love that we don't do.

[Ben Mandelker]

That often, so bring it on.

[Justinian Hoang]

My thing about Rachel was that she was in some pretty iconic feuds. Like, do you remember when she. And she was in a huge feud with Paris Hilton's friend on Simple Rachel? No, the Paris Hilton, the Simple Life.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, Richie.

[Justinian Hoang]

Nicole Richie. She and Nicole Richie were, like, in an epic feud that went on for months. I remember because she was her designer. And then, like, I don't know. Yeah. So I feel like they're. They're Rachel Zo. I think she does have, like, a flower that can bloom. I'm. I'm sure we'll first get, like, a very manufactured. Is she still with Roger with a D?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, they. They broke up last year. Oh, no, they got divorced.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was the extra vowel. She couldn't take it. But people are pointing out that her designer, Joey Maloof from. Or her makeup artist Joey Maloof also had beef or also caused beef already on Beverly Hills between Sutton and Rinna. Remember that whole thing? That's where the. Let the mouse go. Let the mouse go. That was Joey Maloof. He was the mouse.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he was the mouse. And don't forget that Rachel Zo was part of the original. One of the original Controversies of the 2000s of tabloid times with Lindsay.

[Justinian Hoang]

Exactly. So she has had some pretty epic cutes. You know, obviously this season that, like, it's gonna be one of the seasons where there's a specter of a former housewife, which is obviously going to be Garcelle. And everyone's just going to turn on Sutton being like, you're such a terrible friend of Garcelle. I feel like this is going to be.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, the people will be.

[Justinian Hoang]

The people will be. I think the housewives will be too. Like, you know, like, we. Even though they. I don't think they, like. But.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

See, I don't think the house hunts to care about Sutton, like, in terms of, like, Sutton's stance on Garcelle. I think that Sutton is now going to be definitely out to dry. And on top of that, Teddy Mellencamp is coming back to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's rumored. Yeah, it's rumored that she's coming back. I can't believe they're doing that. You can't give us one Rachel and then cancel it out with the Teddy. Like, I'm sorry. Teddy's going through medical stuff, and I wish her nothing for the best on that, but please do it off of my tv. Heal off of my tele.

[Justinian Hoang]

With your medical stuff. She should stay home and rest. Seriously, this is very serious. I mean, yeah, just. She was never great. Do you remember when she tried to take down Vanderpump and it was just so painful to watch?

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait, that happened? I don't remember that at all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you trying to trigger me? Are you trying to trigger me?

[Justinian Hoang]

Oh, my God. One of the worst seasons ever of ever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Kyle finally won and got Teddy back, and so now we're going to have all of the final five or the Fox Force. Here's the.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here's the thing. If. If Teddy were not, like, super close with Kyle the way she is, she might actually be a good addition, because Teddy has really kind of a. Like, I don't care anymore. She's. She's got a lot of Tamara now rubbed off on her, and she sort of says it like it is. Honestly, when we went on to their show, like Teddy was, I thought she was very funny, and she was like, I did. Like, how she sort of, like, gave to people, but it's like, it's all going to be in service of defending Kyle all over again. That's going to be really unpleasant to.

[Justinian Hoang]

Go through that, you know? Like, it's so. You know, I. I dislike Kyle as much as you do, Ronnie, but, like, I. She's also my Capricorn sister. Her. I'm a Capricorn. I totally get why she is the way she is. We Capricorns are, like, manipulative and Machiavellian, and we're, like, petty and we're gaslighters. This is the worst version of myself. So I used to really hate on her until I realized if I was on a reality show, I would be like that. But at the same time, the problem is, is that, like, Capricorns are too emotionally constipated for you to build an entire cast around them, which is why I think Real Houses Beverly Hills has not been as interesting as its heyday, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Justinian Hoang]

I'm still rive. Riveting, isn't it? It's still riveting.

[Ben Mandelker]

My Kyle hatred. Like, I used to like Kyle. I thought she was really funny. I think she. I think fame makes a lot of them just cuckoo. And she's too sensitive. And, you know, I've shared my feelings a million times. I don't need to do it. It's not like a real hate. It's just like a stop fucking crying and being a victim. That just makes me crazy, but everything else is fine. And she, you know, like, this season, she made me laugh a lot. It's just whenever it comes back to anything on her, it's like, you can't do this. She literally was like, you can't do this to the LGBTQ, like, the LGBTQ+ community. You're not allowed to question people's sexuality. I'm like, well, you are. When you're banging a country star on tv. Like, don't. You don't get to make up the rules. You just got here.

[Justinian Hoang]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think the thing with Kyle that's so frustrating is that, like, when she's being real, she is actually, like, very compelling, I think. And remember the first season, she was real, and maybe the second season too, but eventually she sort of just, like, went into fakery to protect herself. You know, I understand that as a human instinct, but I don't love it as a reality star instinct. And. And she.

[Justinian Hoang]

Stop building the cast around her. Simple.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, I agree.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't give her teddy. It was decent this year because more and more people had been chipped away from Kyle. And so she had a lot of crying moments. That's what I knew.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think. I think. I think what was so sad was watching how, like, Sutton has always been kind of someone who's liked Kyle, but has the Sutton and Garcelle alliance and anyone who was previously in their alliance, like Crystal, they always sort of saw the, like, what bullshit. Kyle was like. They saw through the bullshit, and you sort of felt like, given the right tools, they were ready to just take her down and take over the show. And seeing Sutton ultimately sort of capitulate to just her. Her need to be part of, like, the cool girls at this at the expense of Garcelle was actually such a sad moment. She's got Jennifer Tilly to help her out, but, like, it's gonna be hard. My hope is just that Dorit continues to be mad at Kyle, and then Dorit and Bose can sort of start a, like, a rebel alliance. But I am. I am very concerned that Kyle Erica and Teddy are gonna be too much and gonna drag it into the doldrums of like the of like the post vanderpump seasons there that were. It was like post vanderpump pre Sutton moment that was like really kind of dull.

[Justinian Hoang]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Other headlines is that Are that. Wait, what are they? I was just gonna.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Monique Samuels other yeah, thank you. I blocked on my own miseducation. What's her buns? Monique Samuels returning to Potomac as a friend of why only a friend? I need some full time Monique. I don't need to see Monique at a couple of parties. I need Monique.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know if I need full time Monique. I actually don't feel like full time Monique was always that interesting and especially. I don't know. She was. She was. Okay. I. I think this will be good. People were ragging on Giselle on Twitter. Because they were like, Giselle was so proud to get rid of yet only to have Monique come back into her life. And I was like, that is kind of a hilarious.

[Ben Mandelker]

They never let you just win on this show. You know, it's like you kill all the zombies, and then you're like, we're fine. We got. We got all the zombies now we can move past that wall. And then you get past the wall, and there's five times as many zombies. You never win. Watch the Walking Dead.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I guess this also means that Candace is not necessarily coming back, because there were rumors that Candace was coming back, and then she had that thing where she was like, I'm at NBCU taking a picture. So everyone's like, candace is coming back, back. But maybe. Is she still. I'm assuming she's not coming back if Monique is.

[Justinian Hoang]

You could only choose one. If you were in charge, would you want Candace or Monique?

[Ben Mandelker]

Unpopular opinion. But I would take mo' Nique. Candace was too much for me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I actually think I would take Candace over Monique situation.

[Justinian Hoang]

This is.

[Ronnie Karam]

What about.

[Ben Mandelker]

Who would you pick?

[Justinian Hoang]

I would choose mo' Nique. Only because it's been a second since we've seen her. And by the way, I have a theory about why she's only a friend of. I think it's because she crossed over and went to another network. And they tend to be a little bit like, oh, we're gonna. You know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, like they're gonna make her earn it now.

[Justinian Hoang]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's also divorced now. I think people keep forgetting that, like, she's. She's divorced. And in fact, Chris is. Chris was, like, romantically linked with someone really random, but, like, I forget who it was. I need to look it up. But, yeah, she may not have any. I don't know what her financial status is either. And Bravo does not like. Like, does not like poor. Unless it's going to be Monica Garcia.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not anymore. I mean, they. They threw those rules out the window. We've got Brit Edie on Atlanta, and she's not poor for long after she sues for $20 million.

[Ronnie Karam]

We have to. We have to get into this. This is the big.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is the big news for sure. This is the big one.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is the big one. It's the big one. It's the big one. Are we ready for the Brit Edie Vill Houses of Atlanta segment? Because it's starting up right now.

[Justinian Hoang]

Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

So it started with British coming on with this big, long post about not going to the reunion. I'm not going to the reunion. I've been traumatized. Da da da da da. So this big long post. Please stop writing such long posts on your Instagram. My eyes are bad. All of you. Bryn, Bryn.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just the narrow fonts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just everybody with Bronwyn from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Stop with the shit. You need to put it in three lines that are like 15 font. Okay? Because I can't be enlarging your shit and taking off the lock on my phone just to reorient everything so I can read your 20 page post. Okay, but she had one of those. But basically she's out of there. She's not going to go because she's been traumatized by the season. The show has done nothing but dramatize her and she looks forward to. I don't know how she worded it. What did I say?

[Ronnie Karam]

I will tell you. I have it up. So she says, well, there's a few things that she says in this post. She's like, not only she's not going to the reunion, she's like, like. The events in this season have devastated me.

[Ben Mandelker]

And while I cannot say much right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now because State Farm has begun to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Embargo, I do want to set the record straight about one thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

The graphic sexual photos surrounding the events in episode five. That photo was not me.

[Ben Mandelker]

However, as the episode makes clear, I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did not see the photo at the time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Rather was made aware of the photo being presented at the event and based.

[Ronnie Karam]

On what I was told, assumed that.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was somehow a photo of me, which is why I reacted the way I did.

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way, this is not. This is bad case you're making.

[Ben Mandelker]

I do not know who was in.

[Ronnie Karam]

The photo, but upon seeing it for the first time recently, I now know.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was not me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I looked forward to seeking accountability and moving past this dark part of my life.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so she says, moving forward with seeking accountability. So I was like, she's gonna sue. And then the next day she's like, and I'm suing for million. Yeah. I'm so confused about this because, okay, that pit. Let's say that picture wasn't her. Let's just believe that that picture wasn't her. It was just somebody else. So she never saw the picture. How come they're saying production didn't show her? I mean, this is just all online speculation now. Some people are saying, well, production didn't show her. They refused to show her the pictures. Why would they refuse to show her the pictures? And then she said on the Show. She's like, well, I do have pictures floating around out there, but how would she get that them? And then she said she had cam stuff. So how is it defamation if. If somebody just said that there's dirty photos of you? I don't understand. I needed.

[Ronnie Karam]

What is the defamation? What is the defamation? That's what I don't understand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is it defamation if somebody says, I have nude photos of you, and I showed them, but then they didn't really show them, and she.

[Justinian Hoang]

And she. She believed that they were her, so there must be something out. It's not like we're. They're accusing her of. Of, you know, being in adult media, and it's never happened because she believed that those pictures were her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right. So, yeah, she said they were out there.

[Justinian Hoang]

I think it's purposely convoluted on. I think. I actually think she's working with a pretty smart lawyer because she just wants a quick payday. She just wants to be paid, and she can leave. And meanwhile, their amount they're gonna pay her is gonna be many times more than she would have made like, had she stayed on the show for a long time. She knows the audience doesn't like her, so she. She was like, this is the. My best way to cash out of this situation.

[Ben Mandelker]

As.

[Justinian Hoang]

As a Bravo watcher, I'm sad the way it's panned out. I'd rather have to have everything happen on camera. Why didn't they have her? Why didn't they invite. Why didn't they invite. Why didn't they invite her? And also have. I'm having a blank. The person who showed her photos. How. Kenya.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why.

[Justinian Hoang]

Why didn't they have. But why did they not invite Kenya to the reunion? And why didn't they change bridge to a sofa and make her stay there? And we get that confrontation. Where was that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Because they put themselves. By airing it in the first place. By airing that whole thing, they put themselves in this situation where they can't bring Kenya back because they're like, we're punishing Kenya so they can't bring Kenya back because they put themselves. All they had to do was cut that episode. Like, they never needed to show. If it was this bad that everybody needs to get fired, why are you showing it in the first place? You know? And then it turns out that was really all they had for the season, so that's why they showed it. But then there was another scene that somebody just brought this up in comments that on the show, she was insinuating that those were pictures from when she was a teenager. So she's insinuating that the. That that was child porn, basically. That can you put out there?

[Ronnie Karam]

So she was 19, 18 or 19 is. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, that's true, that's true. But she's kind of making people think this could have been like an underage situation. So, Bravo, by airing that in the first place case, they're idiots. I mean, they're gonna have to pay something.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know. I think that, like, I'm not a. I'm not a lawyer lawyer, but I think the moment that she makes a public declaration that she was not in those photos, I think she probably undermined a huge amount of her case. Right? Because yeah, I'm not. Again, not as a legal expert, but like, like, if by even just saying that, I mean, she will. I guarantee she will go back on it. And she's like, I said that because I was embarrassed because I didn't want people to think it was me, but it was me in the photo.

[Ben Mandelker]

Photo.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I think that she is going to be unreliable because it's like, you're being defamed. But, like, I don't know. I don't see where the defamation is beyond the typical sort of, like, rumors and whatever that happen on these shows. And like, I think as a public figure, my understanding is that, like, in order to. In order for the a defamation case to, like, to win a defamation case, you sort of have to go, like, there's much higher standards for someone who is public.

[Justinian Hoang]

I, you know, as a Bravo watcher, I'm sad the way this has panned out. I think it's a big mess. I think there's been way too many lawsuits. I think that Bravo Legal needs to be freaking restructured. What the hell? What's going on with the handling over there? Why are there endless lawsuits going on? You know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, one thing I'm noticing too, is that they're not settling these lawsuits. So Britt could have a longer. A longer fight than she thinks. Because they're not just handing out money over there. They're like, like, nope, we're not giving you. Okay, we will fight you. I mean, it's taking gears. And Leah's is going crazy, too. Leah's is like, you didn't let me go to an AA meeting and you didn't support my disability, which is alcoholism. I'm like, what? Come on now. So she's going crazy for years, and it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and they're still not settling. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I mean, Part of the. Also the issue is that these, These shows, they do kind of, you know, they. They cast lunatics. You know, sorry. They are. A lot of them are lunatics and a lot of them are. Have narcissistic tendenc. Or at least are very self involved. And you just see already on this season that Brit, like, she turns everything into a crime against her. And I'm not saying that, like, therefore she should be okay with. If her photos were bandied about on a poster, you know, when she's like, nude, that we all agree that, that if. That if those were her photos, that it's like horrifying and it's embarrassing. But if it's someone else, I understand also if she, she was. If she was led to believe that and then she's like, mortified, but then it turns out it's not even her. I'm kind of like, you know, we're talking about, like, what's wrong with Bravo Legal. I'm like, part of it unfortunately comes down to the casting that like, you. You sort of like, are on this razor's edge of like, you want to cast someone who's just like, off kilter enough to make good tv, but it can blow up in your face. Because these are people who like, when things don't work out the way they want, they will turn it into something. And so you saw that happen with Leah and now you see it happening with Brit. Brit's wildly unpopular. She probably got fired from the show and she fell out with all her cast. And like, is anyone really surprised that she would, she would do this and she would sue? Bravo. Like as like one final swan song? No, of course not.

[Justinian Hoang]

I had high hopes for Brit. I don't know, just something aesthetically about her, for me as a gay man, she just is just like, there's something so camp about her that I just really loved. Like, the way she turns at her aside. Like, I was like, oh, she's so. She has like a face card. I was really, really excited about her. I love Kelly. I think Kelly is so cute. I think we. We got one out of two of these two new friends.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's right. No, we got two out of three because Angela is, of course.

[Justinian Hoang]

How can I forget Angela? Yes, totally. I, Yeah, I love her. I'm. I'm worried about her marriage, but I love her. I thought it was iconic that she was like, filming the girls from the upstairs and. Yes, I, I think, yes, but, but it's, it's, it's. I, I think it's A good transitional season. I. I have high hopes.

[Ronnie Karam]

I. I agree, too. I actually agree, too. I think it's. For a transitional season. It's very strong. I think Kelly has some upside, but, like, she does not fulfill the promise of what she seemed like she would be at the top of the season as she went from being someone who's, like, a bit of an instigator to just someone who's, like, a cheerleader. And that's, like, not quite as fun for me.

[Justinian Hoang]

It's giving me, like, the Roni transitional vibes. Do you remember like. Like, you know, like, Aviva. Brit is Aviva, right? Oh, in New Jersey. Right. Like, there were. There were a couple that would fall off, but then the cast would start gelling. I have really high hopes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, there was a Viva Heather Carol. I mean, that one. People bitched when that happened because they c. They axed half the cast. But, I mean, still, looking back, that was a great season.

[Justinian Hoang]

It was spectacular.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think, like, maybe a good comparison might be New Jersey coming out of the Teresa Dorums of, like, around season five. Like, this is a little bit that, like, Britt's kind of in that Siggy Flicker role. Although I would argue that Sticky Flicker was way more entertaining before she, like, lost the thread. But I agree. I think it's a good transition. I think that Brit is. This is just her big flame out. And the question is, does Kenya Moore come back after this? Because they had to. Bravo had to sideline Kenya, after all, after everything. And Kenya wrote in a tweet during the. The reunion where she was like, I take full accountability for everything I did, and I wholeheartedly apologize to Brittany and her family and friends and the viewers, and I look forward to seeing you all on Bravo again soon. It was like Kenya was. I think Kenya realized, like, there's an opening for me, and I have to stop. I have to play ball right now. And. Yeah, still.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry. But then, you know, also, Kenya's been doing her YouTube, you know, stuff. You know, Kenya's also been doing other stuff, and there's rumors. The streets are telling us that Kenya was the one who took Brit to lunch and showed her the pictures. Now, who knows if that's true, but those are the online rumors, is that Kenya met up with her, showed her the pictures, and she's like, wait, those aren't even me. You know, so who knows if that's true? But that would be so funny of.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kenya to do, you know, just shamed a stranger instead. Yeah, I.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I don't know that we need Kenya back necessarily, because everything was. I think bringing back all the old people doesn't necessarily help anything. Like, that's why the show was tanking in the first place. Kenya was at the helm of that show as it tanked. For the last four years, like, three or four years, the seasons have been terrible. So I don't know that we need Kenya to fix something that was broken when she was there. She helped break it. You know, we need. We need new people. But I don't know how it's easier for me to just complain. I don't know what the real answers are, you know, But I just figure there can't only be one Nini. Like, I mean, there's only one Nini, but there can't only be one hilarious lady out there who's not afraid and who's only doing his for Instagram likes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that we're. I think, like, Angela was a great find. Everyone has connected with Angela. Everyone likes Angela. And what I like is that she's, like, kind of flawed, too. And I, I. It's almost good when someone is, like, not, like, white hot popular, but just, like, solidly popular, because that way there. There won't be as much of a backlash. I think she's a slow bur. Yeah, it's been, like, a slow burn.

[Justinian Hoang]

Like, everyone's starting to realize, oh, she's super funny. She's super quick. She's fascinating to look at. I could stare at her nose all day. I don't care what the current cast is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kind of like when they started putting, like, electric checkout machines and everybody had to start bagging their own groceries at the grocery store. There's no carriers. I need carriers. Remember when they used to carry your groceries to the car? There needs to be a carrier. What are we doing here? Here? You know, Angela's good. Angela's great. I think Kelly's fine. Like, she's okay. Shamia's not caring. Like, she's. No. Portia's fun, but she's not caring. There's no carriers. There has to be, like, a couple of anchors here to carry this show.

[Justinian Hoang]

Shamia just did, like, the number one cliche, which is turn on your best friend the very first season. You're cast, like, that's just, for me, just so basic, textbook. I don't care if it's actually justified. Like, it would have been more interesting to have simmering tension between them.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Shimia Sort of giving me a little bit of, like, Anne Hathaway. Vibes a little bit. You know, like, she sort of gives that kind of drama club. She's gonna sing songs where she can, and she's gonna cry about her children. I mean, justifiably often.

[Justinian Hoang]

It's what the children call pick me energy. She has intense pick me energy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I like Shamia, but maybe she's not quite peach holder status, you know?

[Justinian Hoang]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

But okay, so let's move on. So the conclusion is that Atlanta is. We're gonna see what happens in this quagmire of the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just keep working on it.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's awful.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like I tell the Botox lady, just keep working. Just keep working at it. We'll try again in another few months.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's see what happens. You know, let's see. We want to see some other Housewives headlines. Because you, you shamefully don't really watch Summer House, which I know. How are we going to fix this?

[Justinian Hoang]

I mean, could you give me, like, the elevator pitch about why a housewives girly like me should be watching Summer House?

[Ronnie Karam]

Vapid people doing vapid things in a house for a summer.

[Ben Mandelker]

If that doesn't do it for you. Nothing. Well, you know, I mean, I started watching.

[Justinian Hoang]

Oh, go ahead, please.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was just going to say it's not the same vibe at all as Housewives. I don't know that I would have stuck with, with it had we not been doing this. It's one of those that I was like, this is stupid. What a stupid show. But then just watching it all the time, doing this, I got really addicted to it.

[Justinian Hoang]

Yeah, I, I was, I, I watched the children's show. Oh, next chap. The children's show. Children's show. You know, I, I, I need to stop hoping it's gonna be gallery girls, and then, then I think I'm gonna like it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, actually, it's good. Pretty close.

[Justinian Hoang]

Good.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's pretty close.

[Justinian Hoang]

Nobody, no, nobody complained about Oregon.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, they will.

[Ronnie Karam]

They don't know about Oregon yet. But they, when they find out, they don't know that that place exists endlessly. All right. By the way, so Justinian and I were both in Norway at the same time on dueling trips. And I just got my haircut this afternoon, and I, I told my, my barber. I was like, yeah, I just got back from Norway. She goes, oh, yeah, Norway? Where is that again? I was like, it's, it's in the north.

[Justinian Hoang]

Surprisingly north. Way more north than you think.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, I was like, she could be on Next Gen New York City.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, Dustin. Well, we're gonna move on with some non bravo stuff.

[Ronnie Karam]

So wait, tell everyone about your book.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're gonna get ready before.

[Ronnie Karam]

Before we. Before you go away, tell everyone about your book and why they should forgotten.

[Justinian Hoang]

I'm an author. I've completely forgotten that I've written books. My God. This was very. Okay, so these are. This is my book.

[Ben Mandelker]

Book is.

[Justinian Hoang]

This is the hardcover and it came out as a soft cover. A paperback, which is a huge honor. Yes. And then I want.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's great.

[Justinian Hoang]

So I'm really, really proud. This book is. The very first shot of this book was on watch what crappens. You two shouted it out before it came out. So it means so much to me. I really appreciate it. It's now been optioned. I just.

[Ben Mandelker]

That is. That's so good. Cool. I remember we first talked. I remember when you were first talking about this.

[Justinian Hoang]

Thank you. So the. The book is really pretty, but don't be fooled. It's very erotic. It's about two soulmates who keep reincarnating as doomed lovers over 2,000 years. And it's got a. It's got Real Housewives references in it, but it also has ancient Chinese courts where there are like, you know, emperor empresses who poison the. Who poison their guards. Etc. So it's. It's got a little bit everything. It's got a little bit of everything. But.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's wonderful.

[Justinian Hoang]

It's just a Pride month. Thank you. Add it to your Pride month reading list and yeah, in November, my second book comes out, Lucky Seed. And that also has been optioned too, which is crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are they related or. They're two separate books.

[Justinian Hoang]

They're two completely separate books. The second book is very Real Housewives. It's about a wealthy family in West LA who are who all the cousins compete over who gives birth to like the male heir, the baby boy that inherits everything. And that's just like. I just wanted to create like a crazy, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, it's like a pre Succession succession. I love it.

[Justinian Hoang]

It's totally succession meets crazy rich Asians. And that's called Lucky Seeds.

[Ben Mandelker]

So love it. We'll kill it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Fantastic.

[Ben Mandelker]

Go find those books, everybody, and follow Justin on Instagram at Justinian Huang. Love you, buddy.

[Ronnie Karam]

So much for coming on. You're great.

[Justinian Hoang]

Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Congratulations. We'll talk to you later.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, everybody. I love that guy. He's so good at this too. He can sit here and talk all day. I just need to get him to watch more shows.

[Ronnie Karam]

We need to get him to watch Summer House. Sometimes it's really hard to get people to cross out of Real Housewives into Summer House, especially because Summer House is so, like. So much of it is kind of like security cam footage, and it can be weird to just even watch that. But we'll get him. We'll get him. Well, now let's talk about the Summer House stuff now that he's gone. Well, we all. Last week, we talked, obviously, about Paige, the Sorbo leaving RIP Very sad about that. But the latest news, maybe not surprisingly, but a little surprisingly, because I thought maybe she'd get another shot. Lexi Wood, she's out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lexi Wood, out of here. She's like, oh, my God. Like, I was really like. Granted, it wasn't the summer that I expected in, but I'm glad I came out here and stood up for women everywhere. Okay. Okay, Lexi, you're. You're overselling it a little bit, but, you know. Bye. I did think she would get another shot as well.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I thought so. Especially with Paige leaving. I feel like they don't want to have too much of a. Too much of, like, a bloodbath over there. And they can still sit in, like, the post Jesse and Lexi breakup and mind that. But there, I think that Lexi is just not the brand. She is just too young. Like, she really should be, like, next gen New York City, to be honest.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. And then did you see the Carl stuff? The Carl Rathky? Somebody posted an Instagram story of him being like, oh, I love Summer House. It's been, like, really hard, but, you know, it's gotten soft and it's time for me to go. I've got to go somewhere. Soft, Soft, Soft. Soft, soft. And then he came out immediately later and denied that he ever posted that. And he told somebody who emailed him about it. He was like, oh, this is an absolute lie. Can you please report this post? Because Carl needs that funding for soft. He's not going anywhere. He needs to come on the TV and beg people for his GoFundMe, his 1.2 million GoFundMe account to make that business happen. So he's not going anywhere unless they make. Make him. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what I mean? But the good news is that even if they do get rid of Carl Radke, he's got a good guard clause. Oh, good guard claws.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can't get rid of a good guy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I don't know. They. They definitely need to, like, boost their female casting for Summer House, because, I mean, Amanda and Sierra are just not Going to be enough to. To anchor that show. I know Sierra's coming more into her own own, but we. They're gonna need support, and it's got to feel authentic, too. Like, we. Please don't bring back Danielle. Obviously, Lindsay will be in and out, but we're gonna need. We're gonna need some. Some big. Some big good choices for the Summerhouse casting people. And I know they can do it because they found Hannah and Paige and now they're, like, massively popular. So we just have to find the next Hannah and Paige or just something, something. But, like, yeah, time to call them the big guns.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, time to call in the big guns. So how are they going to do it? Are they going to find, like, actual people from the city who are friends, who are working, or are they going to find, like, Love island people? Because I feel like they're going to go more like. Like Lexi. I think they're going to do a lot of. Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

The problem is that a lot of those Love Island, USA people seem to live in, like, Texas or, like, remember, like, half the cast last year was, like, from Houston. I don't know. I. I don't see, you know, so I don't see Love Island, USA people necessarily being a culture match for the house either, because they're very much like, in their Love Island USA bubble. And like, one of the things that's. One of the things that's been very interesting with Summer House as it's evolved over the years is that it. It does kind of represent this young group of people who are part of, like, the New York City media and tech scene to a certain degree. Like, like, Kyle is kind of like, tech bro adjacent, even though he's an entrepreneur. And you have like, Hannah and Paige and. And all them, they're kind of like, you know, they come from the world of batches. Like, they sort of are. They're media savvy people. They're people who I imagine read, not Vulture, but the one. Like, they would have read Gawker if Gawker were still around. I forget what the one. Like the cut. They might read the cut. I don't know. I just. I don't know. I don't see anyone from Love Island USA being that type of person.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think one of the things that made that show so funny was that it was people who looked up to the Hamptons as the ideal. It was like that kind of New Yorker who's like, oh, my God, we're in the Hamptons and we're amazing. And I Just dumped a girl with a private plane. So, yeah, like, their whole lives were, like, based on being cool enough and rich enough to be in the Hamptons. Whereas I feel a lot of the people that they brought on the last few years, like, whatever. The Hamptons, it's gross. It's far away. I'm just doing it for tv, you know, they don't. It's not that specific. Kind of New York douchebag who really craves the Hamptons lifestyle, that's a very specific person. And I think they're out there. But the show being on for 10 years, most people are too smart to do it. They know they'll just. They know that doing it will make them the opposite of what they're trying to be, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Temmie and Lauren in the comments both said, are you thinking of Jezebel? I wasn't thinking of Jezebel, but that's exactly the right. That's exactly right comparison, which is that, like, people who be. I don't see anyone from Love island be ever interested in reading things like that. No one from Love island knows how to read. That's the first problem. Ponies, anyone? That is from csp. CSPS in the comments. That is correct. Other people are suggesting nylon or paper bust. 100%. All these things. Like, no one from Love Island, USA is reading these at all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. All right, it is time to turn it over to you, the audience, to come up here and talk with us on Vidya. This will be airing on YouTube, but it won't be in the audio portion. So everybody, for the audio, we sure love you. Come talk to us every other Monday, 5:30 Pacific time, YouTube, Patreon, all that good stuff. Love you guys. We'll talk to you soon. Scene.

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