#2896 Next Gen NYC S1E3: Father Figure

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens – Episode #2896: Next Gen NYC S1E3: Father Figure

Podcast Information:

• Title: Watch What Crappens
• Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
• Platform: Wondery
• Episode: #2896 – Next Gen NYC S1E3: Father Figure
• Release Date: June 18, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode #2896 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the latest installment of Bravo's reality series Next Gen NYC, specifically Season 1, Episode 3 titled "Father Figure." As always, Ben and Ronnie blend humor with critical analysis, offering a satirical take on the dynamics and drama unfolding within the show.

Tour Finale and Patreon Updates (00:00 – 02:17)

Before diving into the episode's content, Ben shares exciting news about their ongoing Mounting Hysteria tour, which is concluding with a finale at the Fonda Theater in Hollywood, California. He encourages listeners to support the podcast through their Patreon page, where exclusive content and video recaps are available.

First Impressions and Character Dynamics (02:18 – 07:13)

Ben and Ronnie begin their analysis by discussing the pivotal moments in this episode that solidified their interest in Next Gen NYC. Richard (Ronnie) shares his newfound affection for the character Riley, highlighting his unexpected depth and comedic appeal:

Richard (Ronnie) (04:56): "I've never said that before in my life... I love Riley. I never saw that coming."

Ben, however, expresses a desire to focus more on the younger cast members rather than the parents, feeling that the show shines brightest when concentrating on the main contestants. He critiques scenes where the show sidelines the youth by giving excessive attention to the parents' interactions, which he finds less engaging.

Ben (06:05): "I would much rather spend my screen time watching these kids talk with each other because that, to me, is so entertaining."

Parental Influence and Generational Tensions (07:13 – 14:45)

The hosts delve into the portrayal of parents on the show, particularly focusing on Charlie's interactions and financial woes. Richard sarcastically highlights Charlie's bankruptcy and debt issues, juxtaposing them with his dismissive attitude towards the reality show culture.

Richard (04:17): "Charlie filed for bankruptcy in 2023 when he only had $1500 in his bank account."

Ben critiques Charlie's behavior, labeling him as unrepentant and increasingly unappealing, especially given his financial instability. The conversation pivots to discuss microaggressions and the subtle racism portrayed in the show, particularly through Charlie's interactions.

Ben (05:28): "Is it too far to say racist, but I'm gonna say microaggressor? Either way, he is just... he's a dick."

Deep Dive into Episode Plot: Conflict and Apologies (14:45 – 44:27)

The episode centers around Charlie's strained relationship with his father and his interactions with fellow contestants. A significant portion of the drama revolves around microaggressions exhibited by Charlie, which Riley confronts him about. Ben and Ronnie dissect these interactions, emphasizing the importance of genuine apologies and understanding cultural sensitivities.

Riley (44:34): "I'm a black woman, too. And doing, like, a head roll and a finger wave, like, that hurts, you know?"

Charlie’s awkward attempts to apologize fall flat, leading to further tension among the cast. Ben highlights the insincerity of Charlie's apologies, noting his defensive stance despite Riley's pleas for genuine remorse.

Ben (48:24): "I really want you to be sincere for appeasement, but you get to appeise."

Richard underscores the futility of Charlie's efforts, portraying him as oblivious to the impact of his actions.

Richard (46:32): "I'm not gonna stand for this slander."

Hosts' Critical Analysis and Social Commentary (44:27 – 65:03)

Ben and Ronnie use the episode's storyline to comment on broader societal issues such as racial sensitivity, the challenges of privilege, and the complexities of intergenerational relationships. They critique the show's handling of these topics, suggesting that Bravo could benefit from more nuanced storytelling that delves deeper into the characters' personal struggles rather than relying on surface-level drama.

Ben (59:02): "I was sort of surprised that they were. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised because, you know, white people are going to white people."

Ronnie emphasizes the importance of authentic representation and sensitivity in reality TV, questioning the show's ability to portray genuine character development amidst manufactured conflicts.

Richard (61:50): "He goes, yes, I subscribe to that logic, okay? And she goes, yeah, so I'm just introducing myself to show manners that she did not show."

Conclusion and Final Thoughts (65:03 – End)

Wrapping up the episode, Ben and Ronnie reflect on Charlie's continual obliviousness to the issues at hand and his superficial approach to solving deep-seated personal conflicts. They express frustration with the lack of meaningful character growth and the repetitive nature of the drama, suggesting that the show needs to evolve to maintain viewer interest.

Ben (65:19): "I know. I see what you're trying to do. But at the end of the day, I feel like the audience is just feeling like your dad has a point."

Notable Quotes:

1. Richard (Ronnie): "I love Riley. I never saw that coming." (04:56)
2. Ben: "I would much rather spend my screen time watching these kids talk with each other because that, to me, is so entertaining." (06:05)
3. Richard (Ronnie): "Charlie filed for bankruptcy in 2023 when he only had $1500 in his bank account." (04:17)
4. Ben: "Is it too far to say racist, but I'm gonna say microaggressor? Either way, he is just... he's a dick." (05:28)
5. Riley: "I'm a black woman, too. And doing, like, a head roll and a finger wave, like, that hurts, you know?" (44:34)
6. Ben: "I really want you to be sincere for appeasement, but you get to appeasise." (48:24)
7. Richard (Ronnie): "I'm not gonna stand for this slander." (46:32)
8. Ben: "I was sort of surprised that they were. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised because, you know, white people are going to white people." (59:02)
9. Richard (Ronnie): "He goes, yes, I subscribe to that logic, okay? And she goes, yeah, so I'm just introducing myself to show manners that she did not show." (61:50)
10. Ben: "I know. I see what you're trying to do. But at the end of the day, I feel like the audience is just feeling like your dad has a point." (65:19)

Final Remarks

Watch What Crappens continues to deliver sharp, humorous critiques of reality TV, and Episode #2896 is no exception. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide insightful commentary on Next Gen NYC, highlighting the show's strengths and areas where it falls short. Their discussion not only entertains listeners but also encourages a deeper reflection on the portrayal of complex social issues within the reality TV landscape.

For more engaging discussions and exclusive content, supporters can join their Patreon community here.

Transcript

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[Richard Karn]

Hello. What's going on witches?

[Ben Mandelker]

Happy hump Day, it's Wednesday, which means many things, but today what it means is that tomorrow is the last day of the Mounting Hysteria tour. We are having our big finale at the Fonda Theater in Hollywood, California. It's gonna be very exciting. We're going to be recapping the Valley. Will we have a special guest? Who knows? Maybe, we can't say, but it's going to be fun and we hope you all are there. So go get your Tickets, go to watchrappens.com and ticket links are there. And join us. It's going to be fabulous. Thanks to everyone who has come out and seen us this year on our various cities and stops. We've had a blast getting back out on the road. It's our first North American tour in two years. And so it was so, so, so, so, so fun and, you know, happy to be doing it, closing it out in Hollywood tomorrow. So there's that. Then over on Patreon, we are chugging away with our Love island coverage, which has been so fun. The season is, is wild and we're having a great time recapping it every day. So go check that out. Patreon.com watch crappens those. Those recaps are up basically every day that we're doing recaps here. And also we have Crappies on demand where you can watch us and not just listen to us. So there's a whole, whole world of crappings out there on Patreon and we want you to participate in it and enjoy it. So that is that. And now today it is time to talk about next gen New York City. Oh, my God. Wait, Ronnie. Oh. Oh. Actually, before we start that, there's some very big news. Ronnie, I don't know if you heard this. Tell me if you stop me if you heard this. Charlie, like, texting me and was like, oh my God, like, want to go have some pizza tonight? Unless I'm already at home with your sister and we're like, having sex. Can you believe it? Can you believe that Charlie did that? I cannot believe he.

[Richard Karn]

Oh, I thought you were talking about the actual news, which is that Charlie filed for bankruptcy in 2023 when he only had $1500 in his bank account. And then Dame Dash is broke too. He's $20 million in debt. He also had $20 million in IRS stuff and his kid got evicted from her apartment. So while these fuckers. Well, not Ava, she's done nothing wrong. But, like, while Charlie is acting like, oh, these tv, you know, you guys are so used to Being on tv, this reality kids are such trash. Yeah, keep going. These people are feeding your asses now. So let's get a little bit of respect to a Zolciak. And I've never said that before in my life.

[Ben Mandelker]

Respect to his lc.

[Richard Karn]

This is myself saying, but I've said it. Respect the Zolciac.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. He is awful. And now it's like, he was already awful, and now he also. You can also add a unrepentant. Is it too far to say racist, but I'm gonna say microaggressor? Either way, he is just. He's a dick. And he's just getting worse and worse, and he's, like, unappealing. And now on top of that, you're broke too. So, like, you can't be on those things, you know?

[Richard Karn]

Yeah. So this was also the episode that I officially fell in love. I mean, I've loved the show since it started. I've. We've really liked. Both of us have really liked it. But this is the one where I was like, oh, no, this show's great. This is. This is the one that solidified it for me. I died laughing. And then all of the other stuff was really good. Riley's just handling herself so well. I love. I fucking love Riley. I never saw that coming. I mean, I didn't dislike Riley before, but they made it look like she has no lines. She's like, the whole season. I'm loving the show. I love this show. I can't believe how much I love this. I'm upset. I want to marry this show. I'm going to marry it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I can't. I'm not at. I'm not at love yet. And here's the reasons why. I think we are spending too much time with the parents. I understand that the parents are, like, the hook for this show, that these are the children of stars. But the truth is, this show is at its best when it just focuses on the main cast. So the entire. This is, like, two weeks in a row where, like, the second half of the show has been significantly more compelling, because the second half is when the kids are all just hanging out and doing things. And, like, it actually bothered me a little bit that the show, you know, early on in the show, we have this kind of, like, quick recap of this crazy night out that they all had. I'm like, I want to see that. Why are you making me sit through this awful scene of Seth trying out his, like, motivate, motivational speaker thing? Oh, my God. I Could not stand it. But it was also, like, a. It was cringy. And I know that's the point, but also, it's like, it wasn't. Wasn't authentic. Like, it was. This is. It was, like, stupid to me. I would much rather spend my screen time watching these kids talk with each other, because that, to me, is so entertaining. And I think Bravo has to, like. It's like, we get it. We understand. They've got famous parents. Let's just, like, start to, like, sunset them, because there's just too much Seth on this episode.

[Richard Karn]

Can we stop talking about, like, first of all, that is senior abuse. You're talking about sunsetting people. Like a science fiction movie, like, turning them into Soylent Green. No. And I will not stand for this slander. I like it. I loved the Seth scene. And to me, it was very realistic, because, you know, that thing of, like, I'm gonna talk to your friend. I mean, that's happened to me. And it's, like, the most awkward thing ever for the person whose dad or mom is doing it. My mom went into school one time, was like, who's bullying you? She went in and told off everybody in school, which is an adult. I'm like, what a badass. But as a kid, I was like, oh, my God. You know? And she's still, to this day, like, well, I went in there and I told those kids off, and I'm like. And, you know, kind of ruined a lot at that age, you know? But I also like it because I was the kid who hated hang out with the kids, so I was always hanging out with the adults. So I'm still like that. I'm still like, wow, I get to hang out with the adults, but then I get to see what all the kids were talking about, most likely behind my back while I was, like, watching their moms drink Franzia and talk shit about each other. So I don't know. It's all working for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I mean, look, I think the show is almost there. I'm just saying I like the cast so much that I just want to spend more time with them. And I would like to see their crazy night out. I want to see what happened when they went to this club and Georgia lost her phone. I would just rather spend more time with that. That than, like, Seth and Brooks golfing or Seth and Charlie having drinks or whatever, or Gia and Teresa talking about making pizza. Like, those scenes were entertaining, but I didn't find them to be compelling. And so I just want more of our children on the show, front and center, doing vapid things. And if there are adults, I want them to be dismissive adults.

[Richard Karn]

That's fair. You know what? Tomato, tomato.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's okay.

[Richard Karn]

You say you want more compelling. I say stop making this show so life changing for me. Especially the scenes with Teresa, Seth, and, you know, Charlie's dad hating on Charlie. I love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I do. That's. Well, that's okay because he's dismissive. Like, again, I'm okay with the dismissive adults. You know, put in a. Kelly Catrone put in, like, I'm not gonna say Anna Wintour, but, like, you know, I.

[Richard Karn]

Don'T need to put in Anna Wintour. Why wouldn't she say that? Does she even have children? Are they children? Snowmen? Like, I would love. Are they icicles? I would love to meet her icicle children.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're the little mushrooms from Super Mar. They all have her haircut.

[Richard Karn]

I'm in. Okay, so speaking of icicle children, Ariana opens the show, of course, because they're still doing this whole, like, oh, my God, a Zolciak in New York City. Isn't this wacky? So that's how we open it. And Ariana's monologue is like, I'm in New York City.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like a kid in a candy shop. I am honestly in awe of my life and the fact that God has blessed me to even be here. I don't even mind the smell of urine and poop. I mean, look, I was raised in the Biermann household with 15 other children pissing everywhere. Okay? I love the loudness. I'm used to sirens. I love how fast paced it is. I love how she slide. Slid that in. I'm used to sirens. My mom calls the police on Croy every other weekend. There's just so much culture and there's, like, so many different kinds of people. I get this feeling here that's like, just gives me chills. I, like, walk down the streets. It's like how I imagine Alicia Keys singing Empire State of Mind would be. You know, loud, annoying, off, screeching.

[Richard Karn]

Please have Alicia Keys shut up. I'm trying to do a play here.

[Ben Mandelker]

You walk down the street and there's a Broadway diva making microaggressions against Alicia Keys and Audra o' Donnell. Like, this is the life.

[Richard Karn]

Please be quiet. I shouldn't have to deal with this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God.

[Richard Karn]

I'm Empire State of. Shut up. How's that going for you, Bo? So she's like, yeah, I mean, like, oh, my God. A bird poop, Dom, Is bird poop supposed to be good luck? Because that's incredibly concerning. That bird poop is supposed to be good. L. I don't know if I like this city anymore. I don't believe in these omens. I believe in Jesus.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know who made that bird poop? The Lord did. Whitney Port. I mean, Whitney. Whitney Rose. My favorite quote of hers. I think that is my favorite Whitney Rose quote of all time. You know who did that? The Lord did.

[Richard Karn]

So we go to Ava sitting on a park bench. She's talking to Brooks on the phone, and he's like, oh, my God. Riley invited everyone out and took us around Brooklyn. And then Ariana and Hudson came. But you could tell Charlie really wasn't interested. And they felt, like, disrespected by the way that he was telling them because he wasn't very nice. And it was like, right after he told me that he wanted to be in a room with my sister. My sister. And he was like, so you won't be mad if I. Your sister. Your sister. Your sister. The disrespect girl. It is episode three movies on, like, Brooksie, I love you, but you need to move it along. This is, like, definitely a kid from the Meredith Mark school of how dare you talk about my bathtub?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he has really stringed this one out and it's just not compelling enough. But it is good. It's. It's funny in its own way. Just because he is so fixated on it that, like, every time he brings it up, just when you think it's over, he'll find someone else. He'll find, like a hot dog vendor. Like, he'll go up, we'll go see the mayoral race with, like, Kamo and the other guy. Like, I would love. I have a question for the candidates. If Charlie ever texted you and said he wanted to sleep with your sister, how would you feel about it? I'll start with you, Cuomo. He's just gonna find anyone to talk to about this.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah. So Ava's like, I literally feel like a PR girl because, like, you know, I hear things about what my client's done. Now I gotta go do damage control control. I'm like, well, you know what? At least you're giving yourself a job in your made up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Fake medical insurance after all healthcare.

[Richard Karn]

She like, I mean, I don't even know about Ariana because I, like, haven't met her. Like, I don't know, her vibes or whatever. So then we see the flashbacks of Ariana being Like, hi, nice to meet you. And Charlie being like, oh, yeah, it's crazy how fast you can get a read on someone. Oh, crypto is. Ever heard of blockchain Loser?

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we see Ariana Hudson walking down the street again, and she is still doing her. Like, I'm constantly walking around the city with swamp ass, and I should probably have just kept that to myself, but, God, I love, love the city. It's like Alicia Keys always sang. Well. But tomorrow we're gonna go to soho for George's event, and I'm excited for it, and we're gonna see your favorite person, Hudsy Hudson. Charlie.

[Richard Karn]

Charlie's like, I'm not gonna condition my hair today. I'm gonna have anger split ends, Zaxby's. These split ends were brought to you by Zaxby's Chicken.

[Ben Mandelker]

Today my look is brought to you by Tears for fears, circa 1984. So Charlie is. Meanwhile. Go back to Charlie now. He's in the apartment with Ava, and she's like, so I heard some tea about last night, and I heard you were still making comments about Chloe and stuff to Brooks. He's like, yeah, I was, like, doing it jokingly. I mean, he doesn't really even care. No, he does care, but he's, like, not good at confrontation. So he's probably, like, laughing, but he feels uncomfortable. How many people does Brooks need to actually confront Charlie about this? Because last episode was all about, like, I don't want to have, like, a mouthpiece. And now it's been, like, the fifth person commissioned to do this girl.

[Richard Karn]

It's more than a mouthpiece at this point. It's like a retainer. Like, you never take it out of your mouth. It's constantly there. And unless you eat. Yeah. So, yeah, she's. He's basically. And I think, you know, I think it's. It's a little much too. Because I think Charlie's just with Brooks. I mean, Charlie's an. Look, I'm not gonna stand up for. For Charlie, but Brooks knows that Charlie's an and he's with him. But I think Charlie's like, why are you trying to make this a storyline, brah? But then instead of just backing off, he just keeps making it worse, you know? So, yeah, what can you do? You know what, Charlie? I'm trying to stand up for you because I know how difficult it is being a wealthy, white, blonde, young person in America. There's no opportunities for you. Nobody gives you any chances. So I'm trying to stand up for you. But you're making it very, very difficult, Charlie. Okay, please, let's feel something for the straight, white, young, rich male in this country.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's hard to look like a scars guard without any of the perks of being a scars guard. So he does have. He does carry that cross.

[Richard Karn]

He's a SARS guard, you know, Which I know is a real sorry, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So now Charlie and Dylan are talking, and Charlie is like, Hudson, like, so. Yeah, the other night we had this crazy. This drama. Like, Hudson comes up and he's like, yo, I feel like there was some disrespect for some animosity towards us or something. And I was like, dude, you want to fight? Like, let's go fight. I can hire someone to fight you. And then we see a flashback of Hudson. Be like, you want to fight? No. And Ava's like, wait, you want to round corner?

[Richard Karn]

Who says that? Yeah, like, you wanted to. I love it. He's like, I'm so city that I, like, offer to fight outside around the corner so we don't disturb any businesses.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, guess what? There's more businesses around the corner. You fell into the big corner trap. It's called a corner store. So no matter where you fight, there's gonna be a business.

[Richard Karn]

It's on the corner. Hey, I'll compromise with you, and I'll do it on the corner. So Ava's like, I mean, you said you want to fight. And he's like, yeah, but I was like, around the corner, right? And then Ariana was like, yeah, like, by his side or some. I would have fought him for sure. And Dylan's like, yeah, you guys want some weed? Like, we're cameramen. We can't smoke your weed, sir. It's like, okay, yeah, but, like, guys. Guys usually, like, if they fight, like, that's when they become best friends. Because, like, one time I got in this fight and I, like, wailed on this dude, and he was like, bro, I can't wait to jerk off to you on OnlyFans. I was like, yeah, I get 15 months, 15 bucks a month from that dude. Awesome. I said, dudes are bro.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, man. That's how bros become friends. We just punch each other a little bit with the fists and with the dicks. So then Dylan is like, yeah, it was awesome. So, like, what about your face? Like, don't you make money off your face? He's like, no, I don't make money off this thing. It's my body. We see more shots of him shirtless.

[Richard Karn]

No, it's Your face. Anybody can work out you've got the double punch, you know, you've got the face and the working out. So you're making money off your face. Don't mess up your face. And I don't even believe him that he beat the shit out of some guy and had blood all over his hands. Dylan, nobody believes you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, we now go to a driving range where Seth and Brooks are playing golf. And Seth is like, get in the hole. Get it hole. Oh my God. My dad would always be taking me golfing growing up. And like, that was like one side of it. The other side was that he would send me to like golf intensives. Into golf intensives. I mean, it's called golf lessons. Is that what you're talking about? Is what Gen Z calls lessons intensives? Yeah, like intensive.

[Richard Karn]

Like you took me to golf camp and he's like, you call golf camp golf intensive? Like, what the hell, Brooks? Are you getting any up the ass? Let's talk about it. You swallow? Let's just talk about your sex life. You have boyfriend? He played golf. You. You up the butt. Hey, you ever. You ever done nosies? That's where you someone's nose. You ever done it? I read about it. I saw it on Tick Tock. I read about it on Tick Tock. It was a Tick Tock, but it had words on it. Do kids do that? God, I'm so glad to get kids back to reading. So let's get back to anal. You like that? It's like, dad gone.

[Ben Mandelker]

I actually, I had to go these awful intensives because they were intense and I actually won an award. It was a unique award that they created just for me because I accident hit a squirrel with my golf ball, which honestly, that shouldn't have even been an award. I need to unpack that in therapy.

[Richard Karn]

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[Richard Karn]

So then we see the boyfriend who's really cute. So Brooks has a boyfriend now. And they're cleaning the apartment, and Brooks is like, I'm gonna clean this thing. Ah. He's, like, standing on the counter, also wearing, like, a.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's also wearing, like, a shirt made of, like, seat belts. I'm a fashion designer. Don't know how to use a sewing machine, but I know fashion.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah. So Seth's like, yeah, you know, Kate and I met in Park City. I was out with my mom.

[Ben Mandelker]

Or.

[Richard Karn]

Oh, no, this is Brooks. He's like, Gade and I met in Park City. I was with my mom, and he was like, oh, my God. Icon, queen. And so, like, we're basically together now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Richard Karn]

He buys me dinner, but I have to sign the check Meredith Marks and put hearts on it. It's the customer copy. He takes it home and just pretended my mom signed it like it's his kink.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. He lives between, like, Austin and la, so I'm, like, always trying to get him to come to New York, which is hard because when he's not in those cities, he's in Salt Lake City. Just like, my mother around and being like, icon, mother, mother, icon. So anyway, sometimes he comes to New York City and he, like, vacuums my silverware for me.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah. Last time he came to visit, he got a hotel room, and then at the front desk, they said, are you Mr. Basically Meredith Marx's son now? Okay, we've got your room ready for you. It was romantic.

[Ben Mandelker]

How's your sex life? That's, like, not something I need to talk to my dad about. He's like, but you do talk about your mom. Mom about it. Yeah, because she's an icon. Well, I want a deeper emotional connection. Seriously, I want to be like a mother. That's the next level for a father is to be the mother.

[Richard Karn]

The dad becomes the mom, son. That's how it goes okay, tell me. What about your body count? That high? You got a high body count? What about your boyfriend? He got a high body count. He's like, where did you hear body count? He's like, yeah, I just learned it. It was tick tock. You know what? I just want to make sure you know know before you give your heart completely. It's mutual. Are you just a body count on a counter of bodies? Come on. If you the bodies. All right, it's body count. How much anal does that take? Damn. Stop. Do you swallow a load? And that's on your bot is a handy a body count. Tell me, I need to know what.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sort of hair does he have? Because I've been told by someone in my wife's circle that you can have hair that indicates your body count.

[Richard Karn]

He's like, well, speaking of body count, Chloe went on a date with Charlie and Charlie said this thing about Chloe. He's like, oh, Jesus, God, I haven't even been here and I've heard about this. What is Chloe's body count? Dad, that's not the point. Does she like anal? Dad?

[Ben Mandelker]

But he texted me after and he said like, come meet, like, like, let's meet up. Unless I'm at my place with your sister. He's like, wow, wow, wow. She needs to know who she's signing up for with a guy who behaves like this. And it's like, well, that's. Is that how you behave? He's like at that age, like a little 16 year old. Yeah. I mean, because it was entertaining. I used to be like that. But he's 29.

[Richard Karn]

Okay, maybe not that age. And he's like, yeah, you were married with three kids, dad. He goes, yeah, but I'm always going to be immature. That's the point, son. You know, those are immature moments. You know, I relate to that. God, I love this kid. Kid. God. I'm gonna see if he's got some extra dad. Need. Need a dad. He needs a dad, right? I bet he'll talk about anal. I'm taking this kid to lunch. Yeah, he probably hasn't swallowed loads, right? All right, I won't bring that up. Body count, lunch with Charlie. God, I can't.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm gonna bring him a cake with Whitney Rose's boobs on and see what he does. Let's see if he's truly like me. I think I know how it's gonna turn out.

[Richard Karn]

I can handle it. I'm 24. You don't need to go talk to people for can you? Because it's episode three. I mean, I think in your time, it's like the third week you're talking. Talking about this has been a month talking. Your dad needs to step in. I'm for it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And basically Seth decides that he's gonna. He's like, wow. It seems like Charlie doesn't have a deep relationship with his dad, so I'll be his dad now. Which I think is actually a bit, like, presumptuous to do that even to someone like Charlie. So now we go over to New Jersey, and Gia's like, hi, Mom. How are you doing?

[Richard Karn]

She's like, I wanted to go get my Chucklina laser, and I got, like, a Brazilian down there, but they didn't know my butthole. And I was like, ouch. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. And she was like, neck, that will numb your butthole. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, okay.

[Richard Karn]

I never did but bleach my butthole before. I never did my butthole before, but I had a Brazilian do my butthole. Let me get. No sense. Oh, my God, Mom. Like, I'm for sure moving out. But, like, it's so difficult because, like, New Jersey has, like, a turnpike. And then you go, like, into the turnpike, and it could be flooded with water. And he said, guy could die there. I love living here, though, because, you know, we got a pizza oven. We got, like, a floor. We got, like, mops. It's like a. It's, like, perfect.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here she goes. Also, there's no taxes in New Jersey. And then we see it on screen. It says, no, this us Jersey has the second highest average property taxes. You guys just don't pay your taxes. But there are, in fact, taxes.

[Richard Karn]

Some of us need to stop listening to our parents, because that is such a Joe Jude icing to say. Yeah, no, there's no taxes in Jersey, are there? Do they have no sales tax? What is she talking.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe she meant taxis. I don't know. She's like, so maybe she meant we.

[Richard Karn]

Don'T got waxes in. In Germany and in Jersey. That's why. That's why my dad's got to get shaved every day by Melania.

[Ben Mandelker]

So this weekend, I'm gonna have everyone over for a pool party, which is just what cool kids from New York City want to do. Go to Jersey for a pool party when they could go to so house instead.

[Richard Karn]

Oh, yeah. I'm so upset. I'm not gonna be there for it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. But I'm gonna make pizzas with everyone, so, you know, I'm gonna get the dough from pizza Cucina.

[Richard Karn]

Oh, my God. Did you numb the pizza cucina first? I never did that before.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, Ma, not your.

[Richard Karn]

I got a Brazilian on my cina.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ma, you're getting confused. You're getting confused, Ma.

[Richard Karn]

Oh, sorry. I met my chocolita. But have you been to Chocolina Pizza Cucina yet, though? Um. Okay, everybody, who's wondering, all the Jersey people out there in the turnpike slamming on. On their steering wheels. Here's the law. You're right. New Jersey has some specific tax policies related to clothing and groceries, but it's not entirely accurate to say there's no tax in Jersey. Jersey does have a sales tax, currently at 6.625% on most tangible personal property and certain services. However, there are exemptions for several categories. Most clothing and footwear, most food sold as groceries, prescription medications, and certain other items, including Chocolina Waxing, agricultural supplies, and Coochie waxing, which is different than Chuckleina Waxing. So there you go.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we all learned something now. So she. Gia's gonna make pizza. She's gonna have a psychic that's gonna come. And, like, Teresa is like, oh, yeah.

[Richard Karn]

By the way, no one on the trampoline.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, why do you have a trampoline then? The trampoline is made for these parties. It's made for pool parties.

[Richard Karn]

I love this. Trampolines for adults only. Like, what?

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, it's there. And she's like, by the way, there.

[Richard Karn]

Are cameras outside, so I'm gonna be watching you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, big party about to come. So now we see Charlie walking down the street, and Gia text him about the pool party. And he's like, cool. Do whatever, you know. He's absolutely disgusted with the idea of going to New Jersey to, like, Gia's pool party. He's like, I guess I gotta do it for the show. But he doesn't wanna hang out with Jersey girls.

[Richard Karn]

Okay, so now we get Charlie going to Casa Bond with his mom, Liz, and the mom's boyfriend, Ivar. Oh, my God, these two. So Charlie sits down with these crazy people, and he's like, wow, I haven't seen you since, like, Mother's Day, I guess. And Ivor's like, like, two girls in America take Mother's Day seriously, though, do you? Disgusting. We don't celebrate mothers where I'm from. Across the pond, we say, ah, there's a pond. I'll drown you in it, you insufferable wench. Who birthed me? That's just how we do it. There.

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes. Well, you know, it just Happened to be that I last saw last time on Mother's Day, because I just happened to be in town. So I said, oh, it's Mother's Day. Let's have lunch. I thought, you know, I almost forgot that I had this son. And I thought, well, I guess I might as well do something motherly once in a while. So I threw him a boat. And I was like, come on, Peter, let's go to lunch. He said, my name's Charlie. I said, well, whatever your name is, I gotta do this once every five years, am I right?

[Richard Karn]

God, she went out with a whole family. Oh, whoever just happens to be around. Sounds disgusting. He's such a ghoul, this Ivar. So What a weird fucking dude. And she's like, well, I mean, everybody's still speaking to me as of now, so those are the people that got to come. And Charlie tells us his sad, sad story. His parents got divorced when he was 3. Ish. He grew up with his mom till he was 10. But then his mom was like, gross. I'm artsy. So she got rid of me. You know, she gave me home cooked meal stuff. But then she just got sick of me. So my dad took custody because she wasn't really feeling up to it. You know, the first time I sold all my jelly beans and bought crypto with it, she said, you're at brat. And you know, it got more factored when I needed her assistance with my dad. And I was like, dad's mean. Then she didn't do about it. And that's when I knew, Mama doesn't care. The child lost his mama. Yeah, you're still an Charlie. I feel nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I'm gonna translate Charlie's story, which is she tried to raise Charlie. He was out of control, spoiled brat.

[Richard Karn]

Like getting kicked out of boarding.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kicked out of boarding school. Private school, private school, private school. She couldn't deal with it anymore. So she's like, guess what? You now have to live with your dad, cuz he's more stern than I am. So then he was raised by his dad, and he's still a little. And then anytime he was trying to get his way, he would make his pitch to the mom and sell it in one way. And then he would go tell the dad like this. Mom said it's okay. And then dad would call mom and she'd be like, I never said that. That little. And dad's like your bus. That's what this story is. Okay? I don't believe any of his spin whatsoever.

[Richard Karn]

I don't either. And Charlie's like, it was abuse, man. It was abuse. It was child abuse, so don't believe him. And he's like, yeah. I mean, like, you, mom. Like, you don't alienate us the way dad does. She goes, no, it's not alienation. You know, it's center voicemail is what I call it. It's always worked for me as a mother, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, you know, it's so nice because, you know, we. We used to go out years ago, and now we're all back together, so. So I can see how the drugs are affecting your body. Now, all these years later, she's talking about Ivar.

[Richard Karn]

So Ivar's like, oh, yes, same story. It's like we met 40 years ago in Dallas, of all places. She's like, yeah, I was dating Jean Michel Basquiat. Remember that? He's like, why did your accent turn French? Because his name was Jean Michael Basquiat. Come on. Come on, Charlie. Do you want him up?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, every time Ivar shows up at a cafe with an ascot on and tries to pretend like he's not as, I just like to remind him that my ex was Basquiat, My best friend was Debbie Harry. So good try, Ivar.

[Richard Karn]

And Ivar is like, yeah, well, your mom went out with my best friend, but he was too boring, and she left him, even though he had a huge cock. Crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Charlie's like, how do you know how big his cock?

[Richard Karn]

How are you not playing with your nipples while you talk? He's, like, teething out and licking his lips. He's creepy, this guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Charlie's like, ivar, how did you know how big your best friend's cock was? He goes, well, there's always a hint of mint about us Englishmen. So I knew.

[Richard Karn]

Could you take one now? I'm not even around you, and I know you need one.

[Ben Mandelker]

A hint of mint. So Charlie's like, my mom. Mom up in early youth. But, like, she's been such a good mom. Like, she's tried so hard to make up for it, unlike my dad, who continues to be a dick and open up old wounds. And then we see a flashback to basically the dad saying, like, his sister was his favorite. I don't know. I think his dad's just a realist.

[Richard Karn]

I mean, it's just amazing. I remember you were just so intuitive as a child. And it's funny, because Basque is not your father, but your life has grown up to resemble one of his paintings. And that's always really Touched me, Charlie, you know, you're just so amazing. Intuitive as a child. Always when I didn't want to speak to you, you would walk away and it was just glorious, you know, I remember one day I was sick and I said to you, charlie, you're gonna have to make a peanut butter sandwich. And he said, I'll make you one, Mommy. I love you. You brought me a bottle of vodka and a straw. A little mirror with a razor on it. That was the only Mother's Day I'll ever need. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

And just like that Basquiat. Unlike that Basquiat for painting that, you look like you have no inherent worth. Anyway, great seeing you again, love.

[Richard Karn]

I love. The best memory of Charlie is that he made her a sandwich one time when she didn't feel like making dinner. She's like, your acts of service, Charlie. Really quite amazing. Whenever someone says, describe your child, I say he would always press the button on the elevator. What a good thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Unfortunately, it was a terrible sandwich. So that was the moment I realized I had to give you over to your father.

[Richard Karn]

Father.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, so are you happy with where you are right now? That's a rhetorical question. You obviously are miserable, cuz we failed you as parents. He was like, well, I'm at my point in my life where, like, I'm 29, right? Like turning 30 soon enough. And it just would be nice if, like, I was maybe a little bit further along in like a career path. Oh, well, to be further along, you have to start on one. So there's that. How about that?

[Richard Karn]

Yeah, you might want to start, you know. And he's like, dad's an asshole. He doesn't give me emotional support. Like, what the hell? I don't get emotional support support from Anwar. And she's like, well, Anwar didn't get emotional support because there was Gigi and then there was the other one, and Anwar is the other other one. How do you think he feels? I'm not talking about the Hadid's, mom. I'm talking about dad. Oh, right, Father. No, it's not that he doesn't support you. He just doesn't like you, Charlie, all right? And in fairness to him, his skill set that he uses in business makes us all rich. So let's be grateful for that. All right? You can hire somebody to hug you. Charlie. Charlie. And I was like, I can do it. Hint of mint.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, wait, I want to show you something. Charlie, before you start talking about career paths, I want to remind you that you can just Be a lazy artist who coasts off his parents money. Look, some pictures that you drew. I saved them. Look at these. And he's like, oh, yeah, I do remember them. And so you think for a moment it'll be like, wow. Imagine Charlie has, like, a hidden talent. Like, he actually has. Has raw artistry that he got from his mom who worked in the world of artistry. And we see the painting, the. The pictures, it's just like doodles of, like, stick figures shooting each other. Absolutely brilliant.

[Richard Karn]

So good. He goes, wow. Oh, my God. I do remember this. Is this dad that I'm drawing getting killed? Bullet through the head, knife through the head. That's funny as. Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. We call these basky knots.

[Richard Karn]

When I tell you I died laughing at this. Like, where else are you going to get this? I brought pictures you drew of your father. Oh, yeah. So where I stabbed him in the head, that's the one where I shot him five times. God, these are good. God, what a family.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then he says, hey, you know what? You know what I'm re watching right now? Succession. And Ivar's like, oh, isn't it wonderful? Hintofmint.com and Charlie is like, yeah. I mean, if that guy isn't literally Anwar incarnate. I mean, my dad. Dad is the dad from that show. Just how badly, like, one of the sons wants his approval and how little he gives a. I'm like, charlie, I hate to break it to you. The dad is the hero on that show. It's the children who are the villains. You know, no one roots for the kids on that show. Right.

[Richard Karn]

I hope you really pay attention to the part where the dad comes in and says, I love you all, but you're not just serious people. Just not serious people. I hope you pay attention to each other, Charlie.

[Ben Mandelker]

I hope you pay attention to the part where the children are insufferable. For four seasons in a row, no one likes them and cheers for their demise.

[Richard Karn]

One of the only shows where everybody's dying to know how it ends and actually hoping everybody gets killed.

[Ben Mandelker]

Charlie's actually casting himself in the role of Jeremy Strong. What an honor to be the Jeremy Strong character. The only person.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah. He's like, yeah, you know, like. Like the kids. There's that one kid who just wants him to love him, but then he just rips him down. He's like, I don't want to talk dad too much because, like, God forbid I get cut off when this airs, but he's really a vicious motherfucker sometimes. Yeah. And guess what, you're broke now, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, exactly. Looks like someone got cut off. So now we go over to Brooks's apartment and Shy comes over. So finally we're getting to spend time with Shai, who's in the poster, in the front row of the poster. Shai is like. So I got introduced to the rest of the group through Dylan. And, like, I have a full time job. I'm an agent's assistant and I spend most of my free time sewing. So, you know, like, my mom dropped me off some curtains the other day, and then, like, I put them. I put them up and then I was like, no. And I took them down and I made them into pants.

[Richard Karn]

And I'm wearing the pants right now. And he gets up and he shows us the pants. Babe, those are $10 IKEA sheer curtains. They're like, still obviously $10 IKEA shirt. I mean, congratulations on being able to sew. But I don't know. Better eye. Better eye.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did something similar.

[Richard Karn]

I really like him.

[Ben Mandelker]

I turned. There was a fitted sheet that I was gonna throw out, and instead I turned that into a pair of shorts. And I was like, oh, my God, this is so cool. I turned the fitted sheet into shorts. And when I tell you, they are basically see through, there's a difference between sheet material and, like, clothing material.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It doesn't work out.

[Richard Karn]

So he's having to show Brooks how to sew because Brooks still doesn't really know. He's like, I got a new machine. But I like, it's like a thing. And like, you put a thing on a whatever. Could you do it? He's like, okay, yeah, I'll show you. Just put this on the bobbin and then thread the thing through. He's like, wow. Yeah. I'm like, really? Like, I'm gonna, like, learn because, like, I'm a fashion designer and I want to be more than just like a one track suit wonder. And then we see Jen Shaw being like, is that it? Is there like any other designs? Is that the only design?

[Ben Mandelker]

What about me? Says the lady who now is in just a one track suit rotation.

[Richard Karn]

No kidding. That karma came quickly. I wouldn't fuck Brooks, man. That karma comes quickly. I never thought about that. Now she's a one track suit wonder.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's cool. I also think think it's hilarious that Brooks is on like, year four or five of his fashion designer journey, and he's only sitting down with his first ever sewing machine. He's like, okay, what do I do? It's like at Least do this off camera. At least learn about it, how a sewing machine works off camera.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah. He should have taken a few weeks before the show started shooting and come up with some stuff and had them there to be like, look, I'm a designer. I've been doing this since my tracksuit, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Richard Karn]

Like, how do you put a thread in the needle? I mean, he literally asked how to thread a needle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Girl Shy is like, why am I better at this than you? I'm not supp. This is not my role on the show. So then now Riley shows up, and Shai saying, like, Riley is by far the most genuine, and they, you know, they love each other. So then. So Shia is showing how to, like, how to use the sewing machine, and he's like, okay, you just take the fabric and you move it forward like this. Ow. I just got me. And then he's like, just kidding. And Brooks is like, oh, my God. Like, I literally almost died. I thought you were, like, serious. I thought you were. I thought you died. I thought, like, you died of sewing machine. That was so scary.

[Richard Karn]

I literally almost fell over in horror. It was like the time Charlie texted me and said so. He's like, so, are you still on your own phone bill? Are you on your parents? And he's like, no, I'm on my parents right now. They were going to switch me out, but then they saw I was still making pants out of drapes, and I wasn't ready. So it's actually a good. It's actually a good move on my part. He's like, yeah, same. Like, second I have my own phone bill, I'm gonna be like, that's adulting. Get a needle. Get a thread through a needle, Brooks.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Get. Get to work, Cinderella. So Shy's like, yeah, I'm trying to get off my phone more because, like, if we don't have phones, we don't have a phone bill. Oh, my God. That's, like, amazing, right?

[Richard Karn]

That's, like, crazy. I was thinking, like, if I don't buy food, then I won't eat. So I just stopped buying food. Brooks, why are you eating the sewing machine? We should have talked about food. Ow. The meat will hurt, but it's worth it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Riley's like, okay, I came over here to shoot a scene with you guys, not watch you marvel about phone bills. So guess what? Georgia lost her phone last night. She was, like, saying she was going crazy without it, and she was, like, so stressed. And when we went out, she couldn't communicate with anyone one And Brooks like, wow, did I really miss that much when I went home? And she's like, yeah, it was crazy.

[Richard Karn]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, everyone, America, buckle up. Here comes the story. We went to an art gallery event that Georgia produced. Yeah.

[Richard Karn]

So we see a flashback, and George is like, yeah. So when I'm looking at R, I just kind of like, I feel like nothing sometimes. You know what I mean? That's like what art does to you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I like, invited people who I thought would be really interested in this event. So naturally there was a Zolciak there. And then we see. We see the event and George said, where the are Dylan and Charlie? So then Georgia says, I really like Ariana and Hudson. So then I was like, okay. And then know I have Charlie, who's like my friend. So he just immediately is like, no, I don't like them. And he expects, like, unwavering loyalty all the time.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah. And Ariana wants to squash the beef with Charlie. You know, she's like, I hope this guy can keep his small dick energy in his pants and calm down so we can just be friends. So then we see the after party and she tells Charlie, like, let's backtrack. And he's like, sure, I'd be welcome to that. You know, welcome to New York. Let's start over. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

They just basically just wrap up that entire storyline for us. I was like, excuse you. Like, we're here. I was invested in this rivalry. How could you just, like, end it in a flashback?

[Richard Karn]

Because we've got something new now. So now we go to Georgia dancing at the after party. Just like, you know, dancing like artists do. Like, her hands are in the air. It's like, what? Like, I might as well be looking at art right now. I'm thinking nothing. And then dun, dun, dun. I left around 11. Then I don't really go to clubs, period, because I'd rather, like, sit on my bed, on my iPad, like, drawing needles, trying to figure out how to put that string through them. And so Charlie is giving Ariana and Hudson a group hug after they leave. And then Riley's like, wait. So Charlie and Dylan met up with some girls, which Georgia got really upset about, but Georgia was really under the influence. Cut to Georgia just being like, what? Where's Charlie? Is Charlie. Charlie even here? Is Charlie in that frame on the wall? What's happening?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then shy left early. And then, like, Charlie ditched me with Georgia, who still doesn't even have her phone. And then we see Charlie getting in this car and it's like, Wait, why isn't Riley calling me? And then George is like, what the. They just like left me at this party. How could I do this? This was supposed to be the best part of my life. This was like a marshmallow activation at the Haribo store or Premiere. DJ Premiere. Candy. I can't believe they'd leave.

[Richard Karn]

So that's the drama. George is mad now because she got left at a party. So now we see Charlie walking down the street carrying a skateboard. He's like, yeah, I'm a skateboarder. So I'm basically almost a 30 year old skateboarder. So surely dad will love me soon. I'm a real rebel. Like, you're literally doing Bart Simpson to get your dad's love, girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. So Seth FaceTimes. And he's like, charlie, what's up, brother? I wanted to reach out to see if you and I could get together or as the kids say, hang. I hear things about you that concern me. Body count. And I want to make sure you know there's a grown ass man that cares about you. So that way you don't have to crash out. Be so for real right now. Charlie's like, okay, I guess we can get together. All right, you got it. Stay strong, brother. Okay, thanks. Talk to you.

[Richard Karn]

Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bye. Wait, do you guys say bye in a different way? Please tell me. I don't want to embarrass myself.

[Richard Karn]

Catch you later. Alligator in a trucker. That's right. That's you. See you soon, buddy. He's like, so then we go to Seth and Charlie. Okay, so they, they have a lunch and Seth's like, wow, you're taller than I thought you'd be.

[Ben Mandelker]

Huh?

[Richard Karn]

Huh? Yeah, I'm real excited to the Charlie Chat. Here we go. There a chocolate factory near Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. What you think? Just kidding. All right, let's get some iced tea or Coke. Should we do some Coke? You got Coke? A cola? I mean, he's a kid. Are you a kid? You got Coke? You know, you order what you want. I'll go along with. I'm a cool dad.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. All right then. Just so you can feel comfortable with this whole scene we're shooting. I have three kids. He's like, I know. And I've always wanted to be like a life coach. So I thought, I want you to be one of my first non genetic clients on tv. This will go great.

[Richard Karn]

Because Seth was doing this, remember, after their first season, he's like, hey, everybody, I'm a life coach. And here's what you just got to do follow my Instagram. I'll give you life coaching skills. All right, These are Ziploc bags. Let me tell you something. You don't want something to get one wet. What do you do? Put it in your pocket? What are you, an idiot? No, you put it in a Ziploc bag, make sure you grab it with two fingers, and it zip locks. You get it? That's why they call it that. I never really got that until I actually concentrated on what it meant. Follow me, like, and subscribe for more good tips like this. Also, you know, give your wife a present every once in a while. Talk to you soon.

[Ben Mandelker]

Charlie's like, what I would rather be doing than having this meeting with Seth. I don't know, cutting my own dick off, sleeping, vomiting at my house, Chloe, literally everything. And honestly, this is one of the few times I think I'm gonna be on Charlie's side. So he's an.

[Richard Karn]

But he makes me laugh at least.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was talking to you before, to you and Chloe even hung out. I was talking to you. You know, I see myself in you, man. Like, you know, so I know how dudes think. I get it. I get it, bro. Okay? And the pride and joy of my life, my daughter, okay? You have a connection going. She's got low body count, you've got high body count. Let's not find an average, okay? And whether it's going to be a body count transaction or something deeper or more meaningful, I don't know. Be so for real right now. Did I use that one already?

[Richard Karn]

You guys coupled up. You closed off, like, what's going on with you two, huh? Come on, you give her fanny flutters. Just tell me. Tell me where we're going here, brother man. Broham. And he's like, I've been on one date with her, but I will say the level of familial involvement is a little more intense than I'm used to. And my mom's boyfriend just talked about her ex boyfriend's huge dick. So just maybe reel it in a little bit.

[Ben Mandelker]

We are so back right now. I mean, you're right. And I, you know, I have to say, it just sounded like you were objectifying Chloe a little bit, which is really my role, not your role. He's like, well, it wasn't anything crazy. I. I assure you. Well, you. You didn't say, I'd love the opportunity to share sexual energy with your sister. You didn't say that. Because if you didn't, I'd like to.

[Richard Karn]

Use that one Definitely did not use that wording. It's nothing. I mean, like, waking up together. I mean, come on. That was it. And he's like, oh, so was the F word even involved in it? He's like, no, I would never call Brooks that. No, no, the. The. The body. Oh, I don't know. Did I say that? Maybe I did. You know what? Maybe I did. I don't know. Maybe he's like, yeah, sounds like you're objectifying women, Charlie. Okay? You know, to me, it's a bunch of noise. It sounds like something I might have said, you know? Did you get a boner this morning? Did you play with it? What kind of porn did you watch, huh? Was it like little people being tossed in bars and. Just tell me the truth. I'm not getting a boner right now. Why are you staring at my boner? It's a tent. It's a tent in my pocket pants. Oh, my God. Can we get a glass of water for this horny little goat? Hey, do you have a bathroom we can go into just to compare sizes, you know, just want to make sure we're really as similar as I think.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just really don't want you objective droptifying women unless it's in cake form and there's some boobs rising out of it, in which case you can lick those. That's okay. Anywho, you know, Brooks, you know, tell me about what's going on with you and Brooks. He's like, well, Brooks and I have spoken about this, and I've apologized at least like three times now. And like, you know, over text, like, okay, well, I'm gonna tell him, dude, I love Charlie. He's very remorseful about it. Let's move the fuck on. Great teaching moment for them. Okay? That's what we got. That's what we gotta say, right? Because the most important thing in relationships is authenticity. Sometimes you gotta cherish that relationship. You put it in the Ziploc bag and then you close it. Because did you see my video about how those close zip and lock, lock. Okay? The zip, zipper, lock.

[Richard Karn]

Hold on a second. News coming and news coming in. Your relationship is choking your relationship, okay? Do not put human relationships in a Ziploc bag. Okay? Life coaching lesson update. All right? Don't do it. Don't kids die like this. This is how kids die. Do you know how many kids have been found in uptown Manhattan with Ziploc bags over their head, dead? It's a crazy thing. That's why they need me. Charlie, listen, I think you're a good guy guy. You got a boner. I got a boner. You went to Cornell. I got a boner. Tell me about Cornell. What was that like?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I actually went to Emory and then nyu. Oh, so no. No Ivy League. Okay. Why am I trying to save this relationship? Damn it. I thought for sure there was Cornell in there. Okay, well, great seeing you.

[Richard Karn]

He's like, yeah, and then I got a master's from nyu. You know, talent, restaurant marketing, shit like that. You know, stuff you don't really need in real life. He's like, yeah, I'm so proud of you. God, I'm so proud. Does your dad ever say, I'm proud of you? Does he ever ask you to sit right on his lap and whisper in your ear, I'm proud of you, son? Not in a gay way. Your dad didn't say that. I said that as this isn't a gay. Is this inappropriate? Why am I on your lap? Who's the dad here? God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, my dad did say, wow, I'm so proud that you got a master's at NYU for something that anyone can just do on Canva, which is make a flyer for a restaurant. And then he said, you realize I was being sarcastic, right? So I don't know. Technically, he said he was proud of me, but I don't know if tonally he was proud of me.

[Richard Karn]

I don't know if our conversations were so explicit like that. I love that wording. And Charlie's like, yeah, Seth and my dad couldn't be more different. I mean, just in the way he gives me, like, life advice. Like, my dad would fucking laugh at that. You know? Like, this guy is so full of horseshit.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's fair. So then Seth is like, hey, you know what? You don't get to pick your parents, but you do get to pick your masters at nyu. God, I'm so proud of you. Wow. Restaurant marketing. Look at. And look at what you're doing with that. You are doing something with that. Are you doing something with it? Was it real? Is this a real Masters? Is this just something you told your mom? Anyway, remove your expectations completely for both of them. And now it's to time. Time to go rip and become Charlie. You know, I actually don't know your last name. Sorry. This. This motivational speaking thing is really Factory.

[Richard Karn]

Charlie Chocolate Factory. That's what I'm gonna call you, kid. All right. Charlie in the boner factory. I'm all right. You and me. So, hey, you got heartburn? Why are you coughing? Like that. He's like, got a hangover. He's like, oh, yeah. What time did you get home? I remember that I got home. Got 3, 4, 5, 6 in the morning. Girls with me, guys with me. Who knows? Knows. Who knows? Even was with me. Are you pan. What's the pan thing? You guys hang out with the pans person? What's that about? You like cooking? What's that? Everybody's a bisexual. Who's he stick his dick in? What's his body count?

[Ben Mandelker]

You got a roommate? What's his deal? How. What's his body count? Okay. And Charlie's like, yeah, he's, like, bisexual, you know? Oh, so that's like fluid. So that's fluid. Does he have to go to the. He has to go to, like, pet boys or something. Get that fluid replacement. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Just, like, want to break the other. And it's very serious. Hey, I'm just. I'm just a bro, you know? I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you for getting your fluids changed. Good for you.

[Richard Karn]

He's like. It's called pansexual, I guess, like pans or something. And he goes, oh, yeah, pansexual. That's what I'm trying to get to. Don't tell my wife. It's a good one, right? Car.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I went to fair. I went to Williams Sonoma. I went to Williams. No. I was like, you got any pans in here? Yeah, See what I. Because it's pans, I can't sell pants.

[Richard Karn]

I came.

[Ben Mandelker]

I came anyway.

[Richard Karn]

They didn't like that, though. I'm not allowed to go back there.

[Ben Mandelker]

I turned that Le Creuset into some Le Cruste, if you know what I'm saying.

[Richard Karn]

Whenever Charlie wants out of a conversation, he just goes, fair. Fair.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think I may do the same thing. Fair.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we cut to Georgia, Brooks, and Chloe getting on a party bus. And George is like, this is the SS Georgia. So they're all gathering for this. And Georgia is. Georgia asks Charlie, Chloe if she's seen Charlie since the date. And she's like, no, you haven't. Like, would you go again? And she's like, well, he hasn't asked me. And Brooks is like, yeah, please do it. And disrespect my sister again. Hey, bus driver, did you hear this? So Charlie texted me.

[Richard Karn]

He's like, yeah, my dad met with Charlie. I guess I should have a dad that. That's, like, willing to do that. Like, right now. It's feeling like a big negative, but also, my finger really hurts. Needles are hard. So then Arianica, everybody starts coming, but Ariana brings laundry because Gia told her to just bring her laundry, and it's, like, so expensive at the hotel.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's smart. Bring that laundry. She also brought two giant dogs onto this party bus. So then now we're in Jersey, and Gia's like, I really do do enjoying hosting parties. Like, the setting up for it is honestly fine. And then she's just setting up, and there's dog everywhere and everyone. Meanwhile, on the party bus, the real drama of the episode starts. So George is like, guys, should we play a game? And Riley's like, well, we could do something like whisper a question into Shai's ear and then be like, who's the weirdest person here? Okay, cool. Let's play it.

[Richard Karn]

Okay. So Shai's like, okay, who's the most likely to ditch you with a club? Which is a messy question, because we know where this is going.

[Ben Mandelker]

Going.

[Richard Karn]

And George is like, two points to Charlie, like, totally ditched me at a club just the other day. He's like, I didn't ditch you. We were busy. We were busy hooking up. We met girls. And Riley's like, yeah, but I told Georgia. I was like, it would have been fine if you came up. And like, we like, hey, we're about to go with these girls. But, like, you didn't even tell us. He's like, yeah, Dylan. I told Dylan to tell you. So we basically did say bye. She's like, dylan did not tell us.

[Ben Mandelker]

Us.

[Richard Karn]

And he goes, yeah, but then you got mad at that girl. And she's like, no, I wasn't. And he goes, yeah, it's on camera, Riley. So she's like, no, I didn't. He goes, yeah, Dylan and I are talking to these girls, and Riley goes up, and she's like a. Yo. You think it's cool just to be here with Charlie, not come up and make sure it's not cool with me? Like, you did this whole, like, thing. She's. He's, like, waving his finger and rolling his head. Oh, hell no. My couch backed up. I backed my couch up all the way into the wall, and I was.

[Ben Mandelker]

Already feeling a little like my eyebrow was already raised from earlier in the season when they were saying Riley can be, like, really scary sometimes. She's, like, scary. I was like, this feels like little microaggression, personally. So Riley's like, did that, too with.

[Richard Karn]

Him earlier in the season, and when that happened, I was like, is this like a generational thing where they're just like, that's fine for them? Like, I didn't. I honestly had him moment where I was like, is it like, are we more sensitive to that kind of thing in older generations? Because it didn't even seem to ping anything on the show. So I was like, wow, I was weird.

[Ben Mandelker]

I personally was actually a little shocked when Georgia said scary. And then the subsequent conversation in this van. Mainly because this is a younger generation and they were a generation that was, like, very active and part of a lot of the conversation around these microaggressions that came out in 2020. So it was, like, shocking to me. But maybe I shouldn't be shocked because, you know, white people are going to white people. But, like, I was sort of surprised that they were. That they were surprised to be called out for microaggressions in this scene. I'm like. I'm like, you guys are the young people. It's. It's like the old people that you would think would be the ones who'd be like, what? What? But, like, you're the young people who should have been like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Like, I thought you all had many conversations about this and were much more in tune about this than. Than us.

[Richard Karn]

You're the ones who've been schooling the old people. So what the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Richard Karn]

I thought maybe it's like something that they just collectively were like, okay, I guess. I don't know. Like, it doesn't bother them as. Anyway, it pinged me too, but I didn't say anything at the time because I was like, what is. What are these kids doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, yeah, it pinged me. But I was like, it didn't seem to be a storyline. I was like, okay, you know, okay, whatever.

[Richard Karn]

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we see a flashback of what happened with Riley and this girl Sylvia. So Riley goes, what's your name? She goes, sylvia. Hi, Sylvia. Nice to meet you. Sorry, I love my friends. Girls, ask my name. I'm his friend, so you should be nice to him. Yeah, she was basically the conversation.

[Richard Karn]

Well, she was like, yeah, like, basically, like, why aren't you introducing yourself to us? Like, hello, we're here or something. And so Riley's like, yeah, I just went up and said, hey, I'm Riley. And, like, you didn't say anything. You didn't introduce yourself to us? And Charlie's like, yeah, but, like, what was the attitude? Like, oh, yeah. And that's when he does this snappy finger head. She. And she's like, no, I didn't. And Charlie goes, yeah, the girl actually handled it well. And Ava's like, who? And he says, the girl. Like, I'm saying that the girl handled Riley well. And George was like, yeah, those girls never introduce themselves. That was off, Charlie. And he's like, well, Riley never introduced herself. And I didn't see her go up and say, hey, nice to meet you. First thing she did was, like, start accosting her. And so Riley's like, had enough at this point?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So George is. Wait, Riley. Because Riley starts to cry, and she's like, wait, Riley, are you okay? Do you need a hug? Don't touch me. Riley's like, no, I'm just mad because every. You guys all do this. She's. And George is like, what are you really? What's. What's wrong? And so George. Riley's like, I'm not trying to make it a thing, but I hate that when you guys try to play this like, I'm scary or I'm scaring the random white girl. It's just so annoying. And it just sucks because it's like a real thing that I have to go through every single day. And I'm so nice to everybody. And there's always, like, everyone trying to come off whenever I talk to some white girl that I'm trying to scare them. Like, no, your girls were rude. It's disrespectful. Like, you're around people. Introduce yourself.

[Richard Karn]

And he goes, well, I don't know about the. What them being white has to do with anything. Oh, my God, Charlie, Rita, it's not.

[Ben Mandelker]

About them being white. It's about. It's about you making Riley seem like she was a monster and, like, on a rampage and terrifying, when actually the. The girls were the rude ones. And Riley was trying to be nice, even though she was a little annoyed by them.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah. And she's like, you just, like, waved your finger and rolled your head like, what the hell? He goes, oh, yeah, that's not a racial thing. And she's like, okay. But then whenever I ever done that, like, what have I ever, like, waved my finger and rolled my head. What the hell? Don't do that. And he's like, yeah, I think this conversation is a little bit extra.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which in turn is yet another. So she's like, well, he's doing it again.

[Richard Karn]

I like, this guy does not listen or learn. Is. What an idiot.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ava's like, I think there are specific nuances that, like, you don't even think about. And Charlie's like, well, I didn't. Well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I don't want to make you upset. And I was like, well, because you just did the same thing with the hand sanitizer thing, Georgia. Like, you were like, oh, yeah, you were just scary in the way you just said it. And I let it go. So we. So it did actually ping on the radar. And George is like, well, Riley, you said that hand washing things so calm to me. And it was just a tone of voice thing. And I love you. Now I'm over it.

[Richard Karn]

So she's about you.

[Ben Mandelker]

She said it nice, but the tone was scary. Okay, how do you say something nice but the tone is scary?

[Richard Karn]

Yeah, she said it was a tone thing. Oh, my God. Calm, but so she's like, I love you. I'm. Oh, I'm over it now. It's not about you being over it. It's not what you said. So she's like, but, yeah, but I was with you when this happened and you're annoyed with the situation. And all I said is they should introduce themselves instead of you guys acting like we're two separate groups. It's like a manners thing. And Charlie's like, okay, okay, I subscribe to that logic, okay? And she goes, yeah, so I'm just introducing myself to show manners that she did not show. And he's like, you confronted her, this little girl. He goes, this little girl? You confronted her? And she goes, oh, really, little girl? She's older than me because I'm taller. I scared her. Like, why are you trying to spin this narrative that I'm like this scary black girl when I'm not the scary black girl? He's just not getting it. Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also, like, Riley didn't. I didn't find that Riley was actually confrontational. She said, I mean, maybe. Was she like, maybe a little sarcastic or whatever? But when she said she was like.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah, she was being sarcas. She was like, hey, not nice to meet you. Thanks for introducing yourself. Like, what the hell? Like, you come into a group of people and you don't even say hi, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ry. Charlie's like, well, this is so far from what I said. Let's be very clear. She goes, no, it's your mannerisms. You do this all the time. You don't realize when you do. And it's annoying because it's bigger than just the stupid conversation because this I have to deal with and you're just adding to it. And he's like, well, I didn't mean to imitate you in an offensive way. And she's like, okay, well, I'll just hit a chord. So Ava is saying how Riley is trying to explain to him, like, oh, there are all these different microaggressions that she may be feeling on a daily basis, and he contributed to it unknowingly. It's not his intention, but, like, you know, like, double. Double down on anywhere else you want in life. But when you've actually hurt your friend's feelings, you have to stop doubling down.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah. Like, hello. So she's trying to explain it to him, and he says, he. He's like, sorry for hurting your feelings. I didn't mean to make you feel this way. And she's like, okay, but maybe be loving about it. You know, you don't need to defend yourself. And he goes, okay, you know what? I'm just going to be silent.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is the second thing. I can't say anything. Right. I'll just be quiet. I'll be defensive.

[Richard Karn]

Women. I guess I'll just shut up now.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now he's the victim.

[Richard Karn]

Try it more.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So we get to New Jersey, and everybody. Everyone shows up, and Charlie's like, by the way, nobody tell Gia about our fight because I don't want her to be mad at me, too. I don't need more enemies at this party. Oh, relax. Or, you are the aggressor here. You cannot act like you're the victim of anything.

[Richard Karn]

So they go to the party, you sit here.

[Ben Mandelker]

While you sit here spending. Talking about the entire episode how, oh, daddy doesn't love me. Daddy doesn't love me. And, like, you expect some sympathy from us. And yet, when. When your friend expresses something, something that she wants empathy for, suddenly it's like, oh, I can't say anything. It's all defensive.

[Richard Karn]

I know. I see what you're trying to do. But at the end of the day, I feel like the audience is just feeling like your dad has a point.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Richard Karn]

So Riley goes off to the side and calls Candy, and she's like, you know when people try to mimic black woman and they, like, purse their lips and, like, start slinging their finger around? And Candy's like, I know he did not.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, yeah.

[Richard Karn]

And, you know, like, I've heard the slurs and everything, but no one's ever, like, none of my friends ever did it to me. I mean, wow. And so then Charlie is like, well, by the way, like, he's. He's talking to Shai. And he's like, by the way, I learned Sanskrit in elementary school. Yeah. I mean, I forgot it now, but, like, I know Sanskrit.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, I mean, the juxtaposition of this guy living in such privilege that he's in an elementary school where, like, the most important thing is to learn Sanskrit, like a dead language. And he's like, yeah, it's like he learned Sanskrit, but he did not learn how to actually relate to human beings. So Riley's basically saying, like, yeah. Then basically after that, he was just like, oh, what? Oh, now you're trying to paint me as a racist? And I'm like, I'm not trying to. I'm not going to let you paint me as a scary black woman when I'm not. And Candy's. Candy's like, well, I'm glad that you let him know. I don't think it's cool. He wouldn't have done if it was one of the white girls. And, you know, it just frustrates me to hear that, because as a black woman, you're the minority, and it's okay. And you've learned how to make friends in all different circles from all walks of life, and that's one thing I'm proud of you about. And you're not afraid to speak up for yourself, which you should. And you. And you. You should. You shouldn't be afraid. And he's gonna have to learn to deal with black women. And if this is his first lesson, then let that be it.

[Richard Karn]

I was like, yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love Candy. That was great.

[Richard Karn]

So then Brooks is talking to the psychic, Amal. He's like, I wanted to find out if you have a message for one of my friends. Like, maybe be more respectful towards Brooks's sister, because my friend went out with my sister. She's like, oh, my God. I knew you were coming. Please stop. I've already seen it. I'm already exhausted from this storyline. I saw it in the bus on the way here. Okay, listen, listen. Is your friend the one with the chain with the heart? Because I could feel his energy, and he's probably the one that needs me the most. I will go to him.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now Charlie, meanwhile, is like, okay, I need to go apologize to Riley, because if I stay here, I think that psychic is gonna come try to talk to me. So. Hey, Riley, you want to talk? She's like, okay, well, let's get a drink first. They sit down to talk, and he's like, look, I want to apologize again. I did not mean to make you that upset. I Certainly did not mean to offend you with my. Any imitation of you. She's like, yeah. I mean, my only thing is that, like, when you say that something has racial backgrounds to me, you just don't understand that. And if I'm your friend, just listen what I'm saying and actually care about it.

[Richard Karn]

He's like, fair. Fair. Yeah, fair. Okay. Yeah, I see your point of view. Totally fair. Yep. Glad I heard you on this. Genuinely sorry. Okay. Genuinely sorry. So she's like, okay. So they hug. And then meanwhile, Ariana is also. She's like, oh, my God, I'm going in the pool, make sure my tampon strings are hanging out.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then there's party stuff happening. Making the pizza. Charlie and Ava are cutting dough into a heart. And Riley is like. They're just, like, joking about it. Like, oh, my God. Like, is your man gonna get jealous?

[Richard Karn]

So Georgia talks to Charlie, and she's like, did you apologize? He goes, yeah, but I already apologized on the bus. To be clear. She goes, no, but, like, sometimes you're just like, I'm sorry, but, like, not really. Like, I'm sorry. And he goes, because I'm not really sorry. And she's like, well, don't. Like, don't say that. So there's another guy here, Cooper, who's George's best friend. He's like, another gay. And he's like, well, don't say that. And Charlie's like, well, can't people just be happy I'm saying sorry? Like, you can't make me feel sorry. Like, I said sorry. What more do you want from me? And so Cooper's like, hi, I'm Cooper, and I'm about to get on this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Show.

[Richard Karn]

Excuse me.

[Ben Mandelker]

So meanwhile, Charlie goes up to Chloe. He's like, hey, you got any plans this weekend? You want to chill and give Seth more ammo? She's like, yeah, that's actually what I had on my books. Like, I was like, Saturday, hang out with Charlie, press him so that my dad gives him more problems. So meanwhile, okay, Charlie's not watching. Time to make my move. So he goes on. On over, and he's like, yeah, so. Hey, Ava. So I was, like, talking to, like, Charlie a second ago, and, like, he said, he's, like, not apologetic at all. Yeah.

[Richard Karn]

He's like, oh, my God, that's so annoying. And so she's like, that is so rude to Riley. My God. So now she goes to Riley and shy, and she's like, yeah. Hey, guys, Can I sit down? Okay, so here's What? I heard Charlie's not really so sorry. And Riley's like, okay, that's hurtful. And Ava's like, yeah, And I'm close to Charlie, and I wanted to know if you wanted to speak to him about it in a way that could maybe get through to him a little bit more. Oh, my God. And Riley's like, you're another black woman. So, I mean, whatever. I guess he views you the same way he views me, but I'm bigger and I'm from the South. Like, we're just different, you know? Like, you're from New York and you have these New York experiences, and I'm not in New York. I just wish you would tell him, like, I'm a black woman, too. And doing, like, a head roll and a finger wave, like, that hurts, you know? And you have to know, let him know that's not okay, you know? So I like that. Riley's like, yeah, I can talk to him, but so can you, Ava.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so Charlie sits down, and then Ava confronts Charlie. Just kidding. It was Riley. Because Ava's not going to necessarily yet. So Riley, he sits down, and she's like, hey, I heard. Heard you said that you didn't actually believe what you said. You just said it to appease me. He's like, in a way, yeah. But, like, is that what you want? We've been over this. I apologize. And she's like, you know what? We're good. We're good. He's like, oh, well, I hope you mean that. I'm like, oh, so you want her to be sincere for appeasement, but you get to appease. Okay. Got it.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah. So she just walks away. And Ava's like, charlie, I'm really trying to be your friend. He goes, oh, now you're mad at me. Oh, great, great, great. Now everything's mad. Now everybody's mad at me. You know what? I'm not gonna sit here and listen to this. And she's like, okay, then I'm done helping you. He goes, yeah, I'm done. I'm out of here. I never asked for your help with Riley. I'm done. I'm out of here. So then he goes up to Riley. He's like, are we okay now? Are we fighting again? Because now I'm fighting with Ava about this. And she's like, okay, but, like, you just need to realize that you have black women that are friends. And he's like, oh, God, I thought we were fine now we're not fine. Mine. Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Yeah. So now he's gonna walk away.

[Richard Karn]

And.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then, like, she's like, no, wait, stop. Like, just like, like, let's talk about this. She grabs his hand and then he's like, oh, well, let go of my hand. I'm not having this conversation again. I'm getting an Uber. So she's like, whatever. She lets go. And Brooks is like, wow, that's like, up right Chloe. And Chloe's like, what's wrong with him? So he goes inside the house and there's like a mall. Mal's like, now it's my chance. She's like, so I did want to tell you that you have beautiful energy, and if you're open to it, I would love to just to sit with you and just talk. Not even two cars. Just talk. I don't know. He's like, I'm single, you're single. We're adults. We're consenting. I know. Whatever you want.

[Richard Karn]

He's like, no, no, I'm going to politely decline, but I appreciate the offer. Okay, thanks. And she's like, I'm going to light a candle for you like a dead person. I'm going to pretend you have passed on to the spirit world. World did not just diss me like this on television. He's like, whatever. Crazy. So he leaves and he's like, I.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also like jumping over the doggy gate. I also like that in the middle of this, Shai is like, inside, there's like a like a cheese board. And shy is like, what is that? Is that cheese? Is it not cheese? I can't tell. I mean, it's orange. Is this cheese? And then I think it was. Ava was like, wow. You weren't sure what it was, but you ate like half of it. That's a big tester bite.

[Richard Karn]

And that brings us to the end of Next Gen nyc. Love that. Live that great time. Learned it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thanks everyone for being here. And get tickets for our [e-mail] and we'll catch you on the next episode. Bye, everyone. Watch what? Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King.

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Richard Karn]

It's Leslie Plunkett she gets an A from us It's Lindsey D. Let's give a Kisserino to Lisalino Fresh as a daisy It's Maisie McHenry we love her on the rocks It's Melissa Cox, Megan Berg. You can't have a burger without the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Berg this is living with Michelle Vivian.

[Richard Karn]

I love a y' all Olivia Williamson, Tastier than Flanderson It's Rachel Manderson she.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sure is swell It's Raquel, yes, we.

[Richard Karn]

Canna It's Savannah Cast a spell with.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shannon Spellman let's share with Sharon Eldridge the Bay Area Betches bitches and our.

[Richard Karn]

Super premium sponsors She's VVIP It's Amanda V Can't lose when you're with Amy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Baldwin somebody get us 10cc's of Betsy.

[Richard Karn]

MD we're taking the gold with Brenda.

[Ben Mandelker]

Silva let's get real with Caitlin o'.

[Richard Karn]

Neal don't get salty with Christine Pepper can't have a meal without the Emily sides Let's go into the woods with.

[Ben Mandelker]

Guy Tub who, what, why, where?

[Richard Karn]

And Gwen Pentland it's our queen It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Queen Laifa Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall Hail the cork master the master of the cork Jennifer Corcoran we got our wish It's Jen Plish she's not harsh She's Jill Hirsch She's a little bit loony Junie. Knock, knock, Knocking on Katie Manock's door My Favorite Murdo Karen McMurdo we love him madly It's Kyle Pod Chadley in the study with a candlestick It's Leslie Peacock we're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Baron, She's a whiz It's Liz Sarthi always killing it It's Lola Al.

[Richard Karn]

Kalani the incredible edible Matthew sisters She eases our woes it's Melissa St. Rose we're on the floor with Molly Dorset There's a chance of meatballs It's Rebecca.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cloud, she's the queen bee It's Sarah.

[Richard Karn]

Lemke we cannot tell a lie It's Sarah tell of son Shannon out of.

[Ben Mandelker]

A can and Anthony. Come on, check your body baby. Do the Sydney Congdon. Let's take off with Tamla playing.

[Richard Karn]

It's always a good time when you're wasting time with Bravo. She ain't no shrinking violet. Coutar. We love you guys. If you like, watch what crappens. You can listen ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcast Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short [e-mail] survey not sure if you have the experience to start your dream job? Good news these days it's the skills that count.

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