#2899 RHOA S16E16: A Lot of Waffle Irons in the Fire

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Episode #2899: RHOA Season 16, Episode 16 - "A Lot of Waffle Irons in the Fire"

Release Date: June 23, 2025

In this episode of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve deep into the latest happenings of Real Housewives of Atlanta (RHOA) Season 16, Episode 16, titled "A Lot of Waffle Irons in the Fire." Their dynamic banter offers both praise and sharp critiques of the show's current plotlines, providing listeners with an engaging and insightful analysis.

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1. Tour Recap and Transition to Home

Ben Mandelker opens the episode reflecting on their recent cross-country tour, expressing relief and joy in returning home after the excitement.

“The two of us have been traveling across the country with our show, which has been so fun. But I tell you, coming back home, it just feels so great to escape to a place that truly feels like my own.”
— Ben Mandelker [00:00]

Ronnie Karam adds her appreciation for home comforts, humorously sharing her own home improvement projects.

“I've got couches out there. I've got three dining room tables. It's a big space out there. I'm just about to get a bunch of new patio chairs and do like the front patio.”
— Ronnie Karam [00:11]

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2. Overview of Episode Content

The hosts transition seamlessly from personal anecdotes to the core content of the episode—recapping RHOA events. They mention that they've just concluded their tour and are now focusing on analyzing the latest episodes.

Ben Mandelker introduces the episode's main discussion points.

“Now the tour's over. We've got nothing else to announce except we'll. We will be on Jeff Lewis tomorrow as well.”
— Ben Mandelker [04:16]

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3. Key Storylines and Character Developments

Shamia and Her Family Life

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Shamia's efforts to advance her pop career while managing her family commitments. The hosts humorously dissect her interactions with her children and her skincare routine, highlighting both the genuine and the absurd aspects.

“There's something about a beautiful outdoor space. It's just so satisfying.”
— Ronnie Karam [00:11]

Phaedra and Her Fashion Endeavors

Ronnie expresses admiration for Phaedra's dedication to nurturing her children's fashion talents, noting the extensive support she's providing.

“I was like, oh, my God, that's so cool. I was, like, proud of the little guy.”
— Ben Mandelker [11:17]

They discuss the unrealistic portrayal of child labor in fashion and poke fun at the show's handling of these serious topics.

“I'm a huge fan of child labor, so I'm. I love this storyline.”
— Ronnie Karam [13:53]

Kelly and Her Divorce Drama

Kelly's ongoing divorce saga is dissected with both sympathy and skepticism. The hosts critique the show's depiction of her emotional turmoil and the involvement of her professional entourage.

“This was the least fun, dramatic sprinter van trip we've had.”
— Ronnie Karam [16:14]

They express frustration over the repetitive and lackluster portrayal of sprinter van scenes, which have become a staple of Bravo's dramatic machinery.

Conflict Between Britt and Kelly

The tension between Britt and Kelly reaches a boiling point, as they engage in a heated exchange over stylist disputes and personal grievances. The hosts highlight the over-the-top nature of their confrontation.

“You're the worst of us. Please sit down. You're embarrassing.”
— Ronnie Karam [43:26]

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4. Notable Quotes and Insights

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie interject with memorable quotes that encapsulate their viewpoints and add humor to their critique.

• Ben Mandelker on skincare advice:

  “He comes up with solutions that just make things worse.”
  — Ben Mandelker [08:05]

• Ronnie Karam on outdated beauty remedies:

  “I still do it in my family.”
  — Ronnie Karam [09:25]

• Ben Mandelker on show production quality:

  “This is just some shoddy ass producing.”
  — Ben Mandelker [40:36]

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5. Production and Advertising Breaks

The episode includes several promotional segments for sponsors like Wayfair and Hers Hair. However, as per the summary guidelines, these sections are omitted to focus solely on the content-related discussions.

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6. Episode Conclusion and Teasers for Next Week

As the episode wraps up, Ben and Ronnie anticipate the season finale, teasing upcoming confrontations and unresolved tensions.

“So next week is the season finale, and we're gonna see the gay try it with Charles Oakley, which will probably fail massively.”
— Ronnie Karam [67:52]

They sign off with a lighthearted note, hinting at more engaging content in future episodes.

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7. Final Thoughts

Watch What Crappens continues to provide a blend of humor, critical analysis, and genuine fandom for Bravo shows like RHOA. In this episode, Ben and Ronnie skillfully navigate the intricate and often chaotic developments within the show, offering listeners both laughs and thoughtful commentary.

Listeners who enjoy a mix of sharp wit and heartfelt discussion about their favorite reality TV dramas will find this episode both entertaining and insightful.

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Note: All timestamps correspond to the podcast's transcript for accurate reference.

Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch Watch Croppings, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the wonderful and lovely Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello Ben.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, we made it. We made it through the mounting Hysteria tour. Thank you to everyone who showed up both on Thursday, including Zach Wickham from the Valley and Hannah Ferrier below deck Mediterranean. Yes, and Hannah, we had a tremendous show to close out the tour at the Fonda Theater. It was so fun. We had a great after party at the Kookaburra Lounge and it was just a great way to go out with a bang with probably the best tour we've ever had. So thanks to everyone who supported us both that night and every night on this journey. It's, it's been great but now we get to relax and enjoy some nice time at home. Just recapping shows. We, we just recorded a recap of Love Island. It's over on Patreon. Patreon.com watchful crappens. We recap the past few episodes of that and lots of fun, lots of hot Takes loving that show. And also Patreon. You can watch Crappins on Demand, where you can watch us, not just listen to us. Those videos are exclusively on Patreon for a week and then they're released, our YouTube channel. So go join us over there. But guess what? The tour's over. We've got nothing else to announce except we'll. We will be on Jeff Lewis tomorrow as well. So go listen to that because we love going on there and we always have a great time on Jeff Lewis's show. So that's it. Today it's Atlanta. Ronnie, thoughts, feelings, Atlanta.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's almost over. Next week, is it?

[Ben Mandelker]

Can you believe it?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's the big ending of Atlanta. Let's see where it goes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, the big Atlanta finale is next week. So why don't we dive into last night's episode? We start off and Shamia is with her kids, and Shamia's singing because she's still trying to make that pop, that pop career happen. So she will sing wherever she can, you know, make sure people are listening.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's really, you know, she's really going for it. She's singing with her kids. She's like, I know something's wrong, so I'm waiting for you with my. Okay, take it over, kid. And she's like, you, T shirt on. I got your T shirt on. Take off my clothes. You know what? I have to do laundry now because I'm already upset with you and now you're wearing my T shirt. Now I'm going to have to launder that again. I only have so many T shirts. Get out of my clothes. Yeah, yeah, that's going to be single. Stop wearing my clothes. Especially if I'm mad. It's bad. And make dealer finish the song for me. We'll see this line.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, woof. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's all it does.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's all he adds.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he's just got a nice snore, like he's doing right now. So the producer is like, why is your child's face so greased up? And she's like, well, when I was a child, my mom greased my face up. And look, I have perfect skin, okay? I can leave the house without foundation. That's why I keep my kids greased up. Grease up your children.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. I feel like there are a lot of people on the up, like, especially on this show, who could probably leave the house without foundation, and they probably did not have their faces greased up. I mean, look, do what you want to do, but there's a lot of. I never. And I actually never even noticed that she was so greased up. And now that they've said it, I can't stop looking. I'm like, oh, my God, she is greased up.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that. The stuff your mom does to you. My mom was the opposite. She's like, you know what you should do? Go outside and stay in the sun with nothing on your skin. Because that's what we do in the 70s and the 80s. You know, that's. That's how the moms were. They were like, yes, son, I love sun. They're like, we should be out. Sun's good for you. You need to be in the sun eight hours a day. And now people my age are like, oh, my God, how do I inject salmon sperm into my face? Our mothers did that, you know, so we should be grateful that Shamia is giving good advice to the children.

[Ben Mandelker]

My brother was my skin care expert. So when I hit puberty, he was like, okay, this is what you have to do. First you take sea breeze, which I don't know if they even sell sea breeze anymore. It's like an astringent. It's like you take a. Put on a cotton ball and you. You rub it on your face. And then once you've done that, you add Clearasil. But the thing is that. What I didn't know as a kid is that, like, the astringent takes off all the oil, and then you're just basically opening up your pores and just shoving Clearacil into it. You use one or the other, but you don't use both. And so then I had terrible acne because, you know, I was following the dermatological advice of my brother, who was only, like. Didn't know what he was doing. He was a teenager. But the thing that's sad is that I just assumed, oh, that's how you do it. And I did that until I was 30 and I had acne. I had bad acne for, like, I would say a solid 17 years. I just always had. Because then you have bad acne. So, like, oh, I gotta do more of it. So it's like, more astringent, more Clearasil. So, yeah, I. I had a whole different skincare journey.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we didn't have TikTok back then to teach us. You know, we have, like. I had a Lebanese grandfather and my Jiddi, and he would just say, you have a pimple. Put toothpaste on it. So I would Put toothpaste, and it actually worked. And then his other thing was, if you feel sick, drink Listerine. Trust me. And so we've been doing that. We still do that in my family.

[Ben Mandelker]

You drink it. You don't just gargle it, you drink it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you drink it. Because supposedly the alcohol, whatever there is in there, if it kills germs in your mouth. I guess his thinking was if. If it kills germs in your mouth, it'll kill germs in your body. And so we still do it. I don't know if it works. I'm sure it doesn't. I'll probably die, but, you know, I don't have any zits.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's good. Well, it feels.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thanks. To do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. Look at these remedies.

[Ronnie Karam]

Speaking of doctor remedies, they're in the doctor's office for Shiloh. So everything. Shiloh gets a good. You know, she's prognosis. She's like, well, yeah, prognosis. The doctor's like, shiloh did great. I held her. I accidentally dropped her on the floor because she is greased up. So you probably should warn me next time you hand me a child that you've covered in grease. But otherwise, she's got a cast on now. But otherwise, she's doing great. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then I'm sorry to interrupt you, but the doctor goes, she's doing great this time. I was like, damn, this is a threatening doctor.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, because there was. Because Shamia had strep throat, and then she was afraid that Shiloh was gonna get strep throat. And then Shiloh was. But then she's like, maybe I got it from Shiloh. It's the sort of conversation you have with someone when you meet them for coffee. Like, how's it going? Oh, well, I think I had strep cutthroat, and I was worried. I gave it to my daughter, but it turns out I didn't have it. That's. That's the sort of, like, of this sort of storyline. But it's being elevated to full on a story for Shamia, and I'm like, okay, cool. Love it. Very exciting stuff.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then we go over to Phaedra's house, and this storyline is for you. I feel like the producers are giving this to you because you've always loved Phaedra's kids, and now one of them is at a sewing machine. He's living journey Ben. It's like he doesn't even know you, and he's following after his auntie He.

[Ben Mandelker]

He really is. And I didn't. I was like, I don't want to be the annoying person who's like, oh, my God, he's sewing just like me. Because the thing is, like, I sew, but I don't. They're like, there are. I guarantee there are people in our audience that so way more than I do. And I. I'm not gonna act like I'm someone who's like, sewing every single weekend, yada, yada, yada. But when I did see it, I was like, oh, my God, that's so cool. I was, like, proud of the little guy. And honestly, I was massively impressed. I mean, this kid. This kid has more fashion sense than almost anyone on Bravo. He was in his little outfit. I was like, oh, my God, he's so stylish. And he made these pants. And they were. The pants were good. And like, Phaedra has, like, I got him a fashion mentor. I was like, that's actually super cool. Like, that's awesome that Phaedra did that. Like, that is very impressive. And he is so talented. And then Aiden's there, and Aiden's 14. It's just like, it was a lot to take in. Like, these kids are great.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was pretty cute. And Aiden's already, you know, planning on just living off this kid for the rest of his life. He's like, I'll be your manager. That's my talent. So whatever you do, I'll just take some money off the top. It's like, yeah, you get 1.5% of whatever I do, you little bastard. And Phaedra talks about, you know, well, I'm doing this for my children because I believe in entrepreneurship. You know, I'm a funeral director, a reiki healer. What else is she? She's got a lot of stuff going on. Lawyer, jazzercises, part time donkey booty enthusiast. Was she donkey booty? She was donkey booty, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

She was donkey booty booty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, she does all this stuff. And then Dylan is like, basically she's grooming these kids to like, start like a fashion imprint. Dylan will be the designer and what's his face? Well, Aiden will be like the business manager. And yeah, she wants them to be like little gentlemen. And she's like, I want them to understand integrity and work ethic, which is why they're not allowed to watch this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And it started or being near Drew Sedara. It started because Phaedra's telling us Dylan loves fashion and he wanted bell bottom pants and I said, they don't even sell those anymore because they're so hideous, but if you can make them. And he did. And so I bought him a factory in Asia somewhere, and we put their children to work as well. I believe in child labor, which I do, too. You know, I'm a huge fan of child labor, so I'm. I love this storyline. I think it's great.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So he, like. She got him a sewing machine, and he started sewing, and he, like, took to it, and now he just, like, sews. And he has a guy who stands over him with, like, a little tape measure around his neck, but he makes, like, legitimate pants, and he, like his little outfit. He looked like he was a Project Runway contestant because he was wearing the sort of outfit that, like, a Project Runway contestant would wear. I was like, this is wild. I didn't even know children could be this fashionable.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And then she announces that she's going to tie this in with her own fashion thing, because, of course she's got fashion. She's like, you can come to the vault. You know, we've got all the furs. While we're talking about child labor, let me also just talk about how much I love selling fur from animals. I'm just really trying to win America back as much as I can. I'm just gonna put as much problematic shit as I can into this scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

If this little boy manages to get a fashion label up faster than Sheree Whitfield, I will laugh, because he will. This will. This will happen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, Sheree's not much children's T shirts with her taglines on it. It's not.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. It's just zazzle, basically.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So she's going to have this fashion show and invite. Invite the ladies. And she wants a pair of pants. And he's like, no, we're good. So you're a hater. So then we go to Kelly. Guys, I don't know if you've heard about this. Kelly's getting divorced. Let's go to the Kelly Countdown. Divorce Countdown.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. So she's saying she has every single emotion going through her because this is their final court date of the divorce. This is it. This is the end. They will absolutely be divorced by the time she gets home today. And there's no way they won't be divorced. It is going to happen. Every financial matter, custody matter, division of assets and property. She is ready to restart her life, and she will, because the divorce is finally over.

[Ronnie Karam]

Divorce isn't over. But you know what? At least we have A sprinter van. So sprinter van for all of her team. Yeah, Kelly's. You know, one thing I think Britt was right about? Kelly was like, why do you need the stylist, like, line of people everywhere you go? It does get a little much like, I'm going to court, so I need a sprinter van with 10 people in it to get us all the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is the court in Vale? Are you going on a Real Housewives of Salt Lake City trip right now? Like, why are we in a sprinter van? Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

This was the least fun, dramatic sprinter van trip we've had. Like, stop fucking with sprinter. Bravo is known for its sprinter van drama. You can't come on here with boring sprinter van shit. No. Okay. You're bringing down the show. I don't care what anybody says. That is my opinion. I don't. I think Kelly should leave. I think this sprinter van scene was the final nail in the coffin for me because I've been like. I've been kind of like, okay with Kelly. I really liked her at first, and I didn't really. And then I'm sick of her storyline. I'm sick of her wishy washiness. But now you've ruined sprinter van scenes for Bravo, and it's time to go.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's a strong point that you make there. She. She could have done more, and I like that. She goes to the courthouse, and it's like, cameras were not allowed into the courthouse. I was like, the audience didn't want to go in there anyway. Are we like, you're not. Like, don't act like you're. Like you're stopping the masses from watching the content that they've been yearning for. And no one cares about this divorce. Okay, Just let us know when it's all over.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she just gets back in the sprinter van, and she's like, well, that was a shit show. Women on Real Housewives of Atlanta get better lawyers because I'm just about to say that this is the second time this season we had to see it with Kenya all the time. She had a shitty one, too. You all need better divorce lawyers because the men are getting away with way too much. I don't even know what's going on in their marriage, but I know that he got put right back in jail after this, and you're still not able to nail that divorce down. Come on, man. Get a better lawyer. Get precious.

[Ben Mandelker]

So apparently what happened was that they went over time, and they only, like, they had to have everything finished by noon, and they. They didn't. So they need to file a continuance, which means they're going to be doing more of this later. So then she's at home with Lamont, her publicist. And then someone, like, rings the doorbell. So she's like, can you get that? I'm like, you get your door? But she's like. He's like, of course I'll do it. So Shamir comes in, and she's like, oh, my God, my little baby. And they're hugging her and everything and consoling.

[Ronnie Karam]

So the girls are being super supportive of her and stuff. Yeah. And then they start talking about how Brit has not called in even once. Even once. She might be out of minutes. I mean, this is Brit we're talking about. Are we sure her phone is turned on. The insurance companies have suspended my phone minutes. Sorry, Angela. Asking about me being a has. Cricket has canceled my phone. So basically, what? I'm suing you for a $500 million.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see a montage of how Kelly went out of her way to comfort Brit, you know, in the wake of the Kenya situation. And now she's like, well, and now. Not a peep, not a call, not a flower, not a candle, not nothing. I'm like, if you're expecting more than, like, a paperclip and some Tic Tacs from this lady, good luck.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you also just got in a big fight about a stylist. So, yeah, she's not going to call you. And they're also acting like they've always been best friends. You've been best friends for five minutes. This is like a Love island friendship. But they're like, oh, my God. That's like my best friend. I can't believe she's treating me like that. You've known each other two weeks. Ma' ams. Both ma' am. And so they're making a big deal out of this. Cause Britt is an asshole. And so then we see Cynthia. It's invite time, because we're gonna have a thing to do. So Cynthia has a little black box on her doorstep, and she's like, oh, my God, what a gift. I can't wait to put this on my countertop.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ah, throwback to the days when I just hang around at Kitchen Island. Yes. Putting on the countertop. You are cordially invited into the Vault's black love shopping affair. Phaedra, is this an event for buying black gloves, or is that the branding? I'm a little confused.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, the Ivy showroom is my best friend's shop. I'm her attorney. And we have a side business together. Yes, Phaedra. I love that Phaedra's representing someone who probably was like, I don't have money to pay. And she's like, guess what? We're gonna have an event at your shop. We're gonna sell some furs. I'm gonna launder it through the mortician business. Everything's gonna be fine. Don't you worry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, seriously. And so everyone is trying on. They're trying to try on the gloves that came, I guess, with the gift. And Phaedra's telling us the fashion is going to be exquisite. Faux furs, real furs, chinchillas. Chinchillas and t' challa. And it's gonna be everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hamsters, gerbils.

[Ben Mandelker]

Squirrels, cassowary, feathers.

[Ronnie Karam]

I forget what they're called with those really long things that run all over people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ferrets, weasels.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stutt.

[Ben Mandelker]

What are they called?

[Ronnie Karam]

Stouts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not stouts.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stars. Guards. The Skarsgard brothers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Turtles. Hyenas.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, it's gonna be a very high class event. And she's locking the doors if anyone's not on time, because who's late to a fur event for a Noya client that owes me?

[Ben Mandelker]

Why? Why are we locking the doors? Why are we locking the doors on this fashion show? Especially if you're. Oh, so we're gonna have a fashion show because we want to get word out about this fashion, but if anyone's late, we don't want to show them the fashion. I'm like, are you trying to publicize your shit or not?

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so Now Britt is FaceTiming Phaedra. You know, she's accepting the invite. Okay, so let's go to William Sonoma. Kelly's having an event, guys, because she's a cook. And you can tell because she has her cooking book. We haven't talked about this since we originally looked up her cooking book in the start of the season. Her book is called Cooking with Kelly. And because Kelly is spelled with a K, she also spells cooking with a K, which is just like the dumbest ass marketing. Who let her do this? Oh, it's stupid. No, it's not going to show up under any cookbook. People search for cookbooks with the C.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, Yeah, I don't know why that's. Because it looks like it says cooking. And yeah, I don't know why it has to be spelled that way. However, I did like that she had her event at a Williams Sonoma. Like, that was actually very lovely.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like, okay, everybody, Williams Sonoma was so grateful to everybody who came in. They're like, we are so grateful you're here. Thank you so much for coming to Williams Sonoma. Would you like to look at a $700 espresso machine?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Would you like to buy a spatula for $35? Okay. They. Yeah, I mean, actually say what you will about Kelly, but she. This event is at Williams Sonoma and then she. An event at a Balman. She's actually had like, name brand locations as opposed to, you know, like. Well, I don't. Brit hasn't. Brit rented out like a chair at a country club and then, like, wouldn't make people eat. And she's doing, like, you know, nice brands with her. So, you know, team Kelly on this one.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So Phaedra sees Charles with Angela, and she's like, oh, Charles, I haven't seen you in a million years. I heard you got married. So who'd you get married to? Me. He got married to me. I didn't hear that one. No, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've always known him to be a single man. But I heard you're cooking now. He's like, yes, I have. Yes. Because apparently all of Atlanta has been fed. Buy the corn cobs in your kitchen. So congratulations.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Kelly's a brand partner with ws. That's how I call William Sonoma. Yeah. It's, like, huge. And this is her seventh event over there. Just like, wow, I guess. Great. So she welcomes everybody. And Kelly's like, yeah, you know, I just wanted to invite these three ladies who are here because it was just such a great bond in Grenada. I mean, we had so much fun. The first day we talked about how I can't wait to get divorced, so I'm not divorced yet. And the second day, we talked about how I'm not divorced yet. The third day, I said, I'm divorcing today, and I wasn't divorced yet. So it was a good trip. So I'm. I'm hoping to make some divorce waffles.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. At long last, we're gonna see Kelly make some waffles. It's only what we've been asking for all season. And by we, I mean mainly me. I've been like, I wanna see the waffles. But it's time. They're gonna do. She can do a competition where Kelly vs Charles Oakley are going to make a waffle, and the girls are going to. The rest of the women are going to judge it. So Kelly has brought a base waffle mix, which. Well, I guess if she's selling the waffle mix, fine. But, I mean, lady, we need to see you make it from scratch. And she's gonna do a banana fosters topping for her waffle. Okay. So she's gonna work on that. And then we see that Charles is gonna do. He winds up doing ultimately, like, a fried chicken and waffle situation.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And so they do that. And Then is this when the guy comes over? Well, we. We.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like just before that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. We see Charles is, like, having some, you know, beautiful relationship stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's basically like, you don't know what you're doing in the kitchen. And she's like, I. I know what I'm doing. He's like, well, you know how to walk around and into a kitchen.

[Ronnie Karam]

But that's why. Trying to make it sound like I don't know my way around the kitchen. He goes, you can walk around one. She just looks at the camera like. And my divorce storyline is next. Ah, yeah. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they are. Angela's asking like, so have you been Kelly since Grenada? How are you and Brit? And she's like, well, I guess kind of good. I haven't spoken with Brit since then. And Vajra's like, but aren't you all best friends? Because, well, we are very good best friends. Yes. Which is her way of saying, I fucking hate this bitch now. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Phaedra. Phaedra. Or Drew's like, something's not right in the waffle mix. Spill the tea. So now we're gonna get the gossip. And Kelly's like, yeah, you know, I can't worry about it. I have to focus on me. So then Cynthia comes, and she comes to Brits, because Britt has taken Phaedra's advice, and she has decided to invite people over to her home.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. And Cynthia's like, am I really in Britt's house? Have I made it to this house? Honey, I. I'm actually just asking because it kind of just feels like it's the lobby of a hotel or a motel. I don't know. It doesn't really feel like a house. So Britt's like, phaedra gave me some.

[Ronnie Karam]

Really good advice, and I want to send it to my loomer.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's invited over Cynthia and Portia, who are probably the only people who want to ever film with her now. And Portia is. She's like. She's like, I mean, I haven't slept. I haven't slept since Grenada. When I knew that she was inviting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Me to her house, I was like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God, this is the most secret invite I've ever received. Who could ever fall asleep with that?

[Ronnie Karam]

With the excitement mounting? And they have to go downstairs into, like, a different room because that's like her party basement or whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Porsche's like, we have to go there. I'm like, my knees are gone from Grenada. Cynthia's like, well, they should be. You twerked him to death Ponies. So they go down and start drinking and gossiping. And Portia's like, yeah, that trip was good. You know, everybody's on their good behavior. And Britt's like, well, me and Kelly, we've been having a little situation. We've been utilizing the same team, like, hair, makeup, but then come to find out she told them that she doesn't want any of them to work with. They're her team. Stop.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everything you steal or go find your own damn team.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like also what she's like, I love when people, like, especially when dumb people try to sound like lawyers when they're in an argument with someone. So they're like, I'm gonna take the higher road. And to take the higher road, I'm gonna try to speak formally like a lawyer. Like, so that's Brit saying, we've been utilizing the same team. Just say you've been using the same team. You don't have to say utilizing, because it doesn't even really feel the right. It doesn't feel like the right use of utilizing. We're utilizing the same team. Okay. O. Okay. Brit esque.

[Ronnie Karam]

Brit.

[Ben Mandelker]

Brit. Edie, attorney at law. So she's like, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, she felt like. Like she was getting the short end of the stick in Nashville.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're like, what? What do you mean, the short end of the stick? You know, you guys both look great. She's like, that's what I said. And then Portia's like, did she think your. Your outfits look better than hers or you were getting more of the looks?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, this Paris stylist who they're fighting about someone on Twitter, the Jordan Annalise said, my theory is Britt's money is funny. And Kelly knows she probably won't pay consistently and she doesn't want to mess up her established relationship with her glam team. And Paris writes, Brit pays well and promptly on time, despite what you may have seen on one episode. She's employed some of the best in ATL and never been an issue. She actually pays right before you leave. Her program presence that Apple Pay goes straight through. Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't believe a makeup person is being messy, can you? That's just astounding. It's just inserting themselves in drama just to extend some. There are three minutes of fame. I've just never seen that from them.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's great.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're just so normally discreet and just stay in the. In the corners, you know, and they just. They just want to Come do makeup and not try to further relationship with the famous persons. That way they can have the spotlight. So this. This is just wild.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And by the way, Paris is wearing, like, Linda Dano shoulder pads. Like, these huge shoulder pads and a feather thing in their Twitter. And it says, while Kelly is. This isn't Paris. This is somebody. There's another tweet says, while Kelly is fake af. Why did Brit think it would go over well to have a staff meeting with people who are not a part of your official team? All that money and you can't get your own makeup artist at least. And Paris writes, but Kelly came to the meeting in the end drunk, and Brit even ubered her there. Lol. What is that Paris? And. Yeah, and then someone, he liked a reply that says, because Kelly don't got the funds. And Paris liked it. Dun, dun, dun. So was Kelly not paying Paris? What happened? Because I know Brit's probably not paying. Perri, how's Brick getting this money? Brit doesn't have money either.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I'm. Neither of them have money. I think all three of them don't have money, to be honest. Paris included. I guess Paris doesn't have to have money because Paris is the one who is like, the. Is like the servant. Right. But, like, yeah, neither of them have money. And Paris should just go chase after someone who actually has some funds to truly pay, because I guarantee you, Brit, whatever money he's saying that Brit is paying, that's going to dry up very soon as well.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And when you say, go drum up someone with money, no one with money is going to want to work with you. Your messy ass criticizing someone who's supposed to be your client. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then there's good luck, sir, and there's that.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now there's. They're like, oh, my God, you guys use the same stylist. And Cynthia says, you guys both looked amazing. God, you remember that Hogs and Everest trip? You both looked insane. You both looked insane. That stylist should have been fired right then and there. So Portia's like, is she upset that your outfits look better than hers? Or, like, you get more looks? Like, what's going on?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Brittany is like, yeah, well, I don't know. And Kelly, she basically says, you know, I was.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was very disappointed when I got the call from the team of the glam squad.

[Ben Mandelker]

The call from the team of the glam squad. So, Brit, I was utilizing the phone.

[Ronnie Karam]

I received a call from the team from the glam squad, and they told me that Kelly. I also want them to work with me.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kelly is like, well, I absolutely told my styling team they could not work with her. If you have someone that is wanting every single person from your team down to your videographer, your photographer, your waffle iron greaser, your makeup artist, your stylist, your hairstylist, that shit's weird. It's giving. I'm really not that girl.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Portia's like, well, listen, number one rule for Frick and Frack. I'm both Frick and Frack, okay? There can be no jealousy, which is hilarious coming from Portia. And so Britt's like, well, the stylist can't work with me, but now they're working with Shamia. And everyone's like, what? Shamia? Shamia now has the stylist, which, you know. You haven't loved Shamia styling either, so I don't know. I think it's not bringing down this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have not liked Shamia styling at all this season. It's very, very matronly to me. Me. It's like, very ant forward, you know, which is, I find, because ants can be ants, you know, but if you're trying to be a pop star, I'm like, don't. Don't come out dressed like an ant when you're.

[Ronnie Karam]

They have a very successful movie. I really enjoyed Ants. I was like, oh, my God, ants feel things.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I was. I was really disappointed when I found out that was about insects and not about a bunch of people's ants. I was like, what? I thought it was gonna be like. I thought it'd be a movie where, like, ladies would drop by and they'd be like, well, it's great seeing you, and then leave. Then you see them a few more months.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think that's what this show should be. I think this show should turn over to aunties, and it should be all the old cast members kind of coming back, and it's about them. But they're kind of going to check in on the younger cast members. Like, there's a whole other separate show going on, and they just have to come in and mentor them a little bit and go back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Because truthfully, this show is, like, we're really seeing some good chemistry with, like, Cynthia, Phaedra and Portia. Like, yeah, every time they have a scene together, they, like, the show really comes to life. So I do. I do feel like that, like, we should really focus on them and then at Angela, too.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, real aunties.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, real. The real aunties of Atlanta. The real Aunt Lantas on Atlanta.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're like, I thought you guys left and decided to, you know, be friends or whatever. And Brit's like, well she said so many things. Like she showed me text messages between the two of you guys, Portia, that said you were dealing with your divorce and your attorney and you need to deal with yourself. So I'm just sharing you with that, that I've seen your messages. Oh yeah, you're a really good best friend. The second you get upset you just go betray every damn thing. Absolutely. You're a terrible friend. And you're a terrible person. Go away already. I'm tired of you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Really an awful person. And Portia's like, what? And Britt's like, yeah, it's Shamia's house. And then Portia's like, but there was chit chat about me afterwards. Words. Cuz you know, she and I had a conversation, right? And Cynthia's like, but you guys left your conversation like a clean slate, like a smooth kitchen island, right? You didn't start over. She's like, well now it sounds like it was broken. So Brit, in an effort to like on her former best friend, just cuz they're in like a stupid dust makeup artist, is now going to destroy another relationship because that's just the way she operates. What a terrible.

[Ronnie Karam]

Portia's saying. Well, she's not even telling me what my attorney said. She's saying what I talked about, talked about with my therapist. And that's not cool, you know. So then we go back to William Sonoma and they're still having this waffle, you know, competition or whatever. And then they're shit talking each other, Charles and Kelly. And then Angela's like, yeah, this is where she has the fight with Charles. Or she's like, don't pretend I can't, I don't know my way around the kitchen. He's like, you can walk around it. So now it's time to taste the waffles. And there's the banana foster topping. And Angela's like, wow, Kelly's has too many calories. She loses. Get rid of her. But no they don't. They like them both. They're really good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, I think that they basically liked Charles's more, but they wanted to be loyal to their girl. So they were, because they were like with Charles, they were like, oh my God, this took me to my grandma's house. This took me, took me home. Oh my God, there was something. Oh, and Kelly, yours was really nice too, huh? I Guess it was a tie. I'm like, no. You guys like Charles's more.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. It's because Kelly spells cooking with a K. I don't trust her waffles. She's like, does anybody want a coffle?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, coffle.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they decide it's going to be a tie. And then a guy comes over, a messy queen comes over, and he comes.

[Ben Mandelker]

To queen that no one would be there, despite him already having a microphone on.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was crazy. I came with his own microphone. He's like, hi. Loved the coffle, by the way, but. So, Angela, I don't think you know me, but I know your husband. He's come to my restaurant, and I would like for us to talk just alone so I can tell you something you might not know. Something she might know about her husband. I need to talk to her about her husband, everybody. And she's like, like, go away. Who the fuck is this person? And who gave him the license to come speak to me?

[Ben Mandelker]

But I know something about your husband. This reminds me of the gay that went up to Quad at that party and was like, oh, Lisa's husband is gay and I slept with him or whatever it was. Which. But that was like, an obvious setup by Quad, right? So Angela's like, I don't know who this is. Why are you talking to me? You. You mincing gossip. So Phaedra's like, what the hell was that about? It's like, I don't know. I have no idea. So they're all kind of like, what was that? Who was that thirsty queen who came in and tried to stir stuff?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's such sloppy producing, and it's so sad that they're trying this at the very last inning of the show, trying to make something happen. It's just bad producing. Producing who produced the season? Is this another. Is this, like, one of the bad producers from Potomac or something?

[Ben Mandelker]

Is it Eric Fuller again?

[Ronnie Karam]

Is Eric Fuller. Let's see.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I don't know later. I. I've said it before.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is just some shoddy ass producing. Put a mic on some queen from a restaurant, have him come up to you at a waffle event at Williams Sonoma. Like, come on, guys, make an effort. And I love that Angela is such a pro already. It's season one, and she's like. Like, no, no producers. I will not. I will not do this with you. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, you know, I've. My ongoing theory that I've said many times, but you know what? Why not say it again? Is that whenever there's a casting change mid season or right before season begins. It up everything. And we see it with this season which was that it was really strong in the beginning and then it sort of like lost its way a bit post Kenya Morris leaving. And now they're sort of scrambling to sort of like fix it. They added Phaedra in. They're sort of like throwing that the vacation. Nothing really happened on the vacation that was terribly interesting. So like, okay, well we need to still like get this, get this ending to do something. So like here, let's throw in this gay who has some sort of gossip and like, let's go for it. And like, you know, this was not spontaneous because it just so happens that like the other ladies are sitting there just hanging out doing nothing, waiting for faders to call afterwards to gossip about this.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's just so ham fisted. It's just not subtle. It's very bad work. Very bad work. And Charles ignores it. I don't know if Charles didn't hear it or if he just doesn't care. And he's not going to play into this nonsense because every time Charles agrees to show up, they try and bring him to some mess and he's just not having it. So he's ignoring it. And then Kelly's like, okay, well let's just have a toast then. So we're both winners. But let's give it up for Mr. Oakley though for being here. So he is talking to the GM of the store who's like, oh my God, you are amazing. Thank you so much for being here. Please, please. Do you know anybody that might want a mortar and pestle for $700?

[Ben Mandelker]

Would you like a mixing bowl made of copper? That's $3,000, please. I actually would. Do you have one? Oh, actually we don't have any in stock. If you wait, I will order it for you if you want to come back in 10 days.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Kelly comes over and she's cheering and Mark cheersing and Marcus the gay is there. So he's like, well, I've got to cheers for us. And he's kind of being held back, right? Isn't he like kind of behind the group at this point?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, he's like with a group of gays and he's like near them and he's like, cheers if your name is Angela and your husband's cheating on you. I was like, okay, you're just bad at this. There's a way, way to be. There's a way to be a messy gay on the, on this show or on these shows, and you're not doing it right.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're the worst. You are the worst of us. Please sit down. You're embarrassing. This is still Pride Month that I had to watch.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Have some. Have some. So Charles is like, whatever. He's just, like, making more waffles. Charles is in the. He's in. He's focused. He's like, wait a second. I only made three waffles. That's not enough. I need to make 5,000. So he's like, in the mass. The mass cooking moment right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're right. He just never stops cooking. It's so funny. He's like, it's over, Charles. He's like, this is my Brussels sprout waffle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's a corn and cob waffle. Like, what? Must keep cooking.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Pedro's like, honey, I don't know if the steam from the chicken is clouding his ears, but he does not hear or is not planning on responding. Zombie.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kelly, basically, she overhears the gay being messy, and she just has her security guard kick the guy out, which was good. She did the right thing. And she's like, yeah, I'm not going to be doing this. So then the producer says, you know, is there any part of you that believes that Charles might be currently stepping out on Angela? And Phaedra's like, I don't know what Charles is doing. I have no idea. But it's not. It's not against my religion to be. It's against my religion to be people's business, honey. Which is funny because Phaedra's the biggest gossip, and she literally goes and gossips to all the other women in, like, five seconds.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Angela's like, whatever. I mean, I'm afraid to even bring stuff to him because he's a pit bull and he'll tear his ass up. And since Madison Square Garden, he's been extremely calm. But, baby, he does not play when it comes to disrespect. Unless it's me, which, yeah, this is our love language.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Kelly's like, I don't know where this guy came from, but he was no friend to me. And me and Angela might not be the best the best, but I do not do disrespect. So meanwhile, over at Britt's house, mimosa is just, like, humping, like, relentlessly a leg and then a pillow, and then another pillow. Like, mimosa is. Mimosa is ready to go.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mimosa is a one horny dog that Dog is helping everything. And so Portia, of course, gets a call from Phaedra. So she's like, like, ooh, Ma. Just hold on to your panties. Big tea coming. By the way. Have you ever had a Brussels sprout in something called a kle?

[Ben Mandelker]

I also like when Pedro calls up, she goes. And Portia goes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. People can say whatever they want, but this show really does come to life every time they're talking to each other because I was cracking up. So she's like, we are at strawberry shortcake little cooking debut. And girl, some man comes up saying that he had a word for Angela. Your husband is cheating. And they're like, no way. No way. He's only the 19th person this season to say it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Who said that? Portia's like, so what did Angela say? Well, she was visibly shaken by it, although it could have just been the waffle that her husband made for her that was made of brussels sprouts and corn. And she was trying not to vomit, but Charles was was looking right in front of them. And so Porsche's like, oh, I knew.

[Ronnie Karam]

He threw that pot of rice on his ass. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're like, oh, my God, I can't believe this.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Based on the February 2024 Nielsen report. Learn [e-mail] credit card. So now it's time for Phaedra's event. And there's a model there. Phaedra sees a model. She's like, oh, my favorite little model. Hot chocolate.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's the black love shopping affair. And they're setting it up and everything. And Phaedra says she wants the ladies to show up on time because this is not a private event just for them. She has other very important, important guests coming. And when we put on a show, we really show out. So because it's such a public event, we are going to lock out the public.

[Ronnie Karam]

I have people so important here that I'm locking the door, and if one of them is late, they're not getting in. Important people are late.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Porsche isn't coming because her cousin Londi died, which is so sad.

[Ben Mandelker]

So sad.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. Yeah, it's a bummer.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's really so sad. So she. She tells Phaedra this, and, you know, she eulogizes her and says that she was such a loyal person and she was the most creative in the company, and she did a lot for her grandfather's foundation, and just so honest. And we see some clips of Londi throughout the years, including this season. I totally forgot about this. And so heartbreaking. So she's not going to come to this event, but the event will go on and go forward.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So people start arriving, and Kelly, you know, Kelly's like, wow, cute little showroom. Yeah, I've rented pieces before. Like, they all love it. They love that. So the girls start coming in, and Cynthia's like, did you book models, or is this a Porsche shoot where we're the models and we don't know about it? Then we have to regram it on our grams for $0. What are we doing today?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And then Shamia's like, talking to the security guard. She's like, are we safe? Are we safe? Kenny, are we safe? And he's like, yeah, we're safe. She's like, okay, good. So just, like, more people are just, like, showing up. It's a lot of like, hey, also.

[Ronnie Karam]

Angela showed up with security because they're like, wait a minute, do you have. Cynthia's like, do you have security? Shamia, is that your security guard? She's like, no, everybody else has it. Why would I even need to bring Mine. Half this cat is security guard now. Jeez.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're asking Angela again about the guy, and she's like. She's like, yeah, you know, he initially came up to me, and he's like, I want to speak to you, and I want to tell you something about your husband. And Cynthia's like, and you did not know who this person was? She was like, well, I don't know him from. I don't know. Bucket of paint. Bucket of paint. Yeah, sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Britt tries to make a big entrance, saying, hi. Hi, Kelly. Oh, Kelly's not talking.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kelly's saying, you know, he went through a whole little situation with Kenya, and I brought a whole IV Therapist for you and for Mike, and you're not bringing flowers or dinner over to my house. Not even some of my own waffle mix. You could have bought it and given it back to me. You're not even there, checking on me and the girls and all of this all over again. That's not my friend.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Angela's like, excuse me, we're in the middle of a very interesting, interesting story here. And Brit's like, well, but I'm gonna have a lot of stories to sell, I guess. And Kelly's like, I can't wait to have story time. So now these two are gonna try and have, like, a big housewives blowout multiple.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So now Britt has her grievance to tell us about.

[Ronnie Karam]

She goes, I'm really disappointed in Kelly because it really didn't have to get to this point. If Kelly would have came to me and confided how she was initially feeling about her glam squat or whatever, we could. Could have talked it out. But she's now a hater, so it is what it is. Yeah. So Phaedra goes to lock the doors. By the way, when is le wasn't this chinchilla event.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I didn't. Didn't Kelly keep this pretty private? I feel like Kelly has not been airing the glam squad beef very much. Like, she's been annoyed at Brit for, like, a few episodes now, and she's kind of kept it quiet.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Britain keeps bringing it up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I got the sense that it was discussed kind of privately, but I think.

[Ronnie Karam]

She means she needed to talk to me and say she doesn't want me using her hairstylist instead of calling the glam team meeting and say, I don't sang it. You know, she's like, why didn't she come to me instead of going to the glam Squad?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, why don't you go to her to say that you were upset about her not coming to you.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're both exhausting and boring. So they're gonna have their first Housewives fight, and it's. It's kind of failing. So Phaedra starts the show, and so Drew's running late, and she's like, she better get here because the doors will be locked. So then Kelly continues to fight, and she's like, okay, well, you know, I had opened my event to the public, and with that come fans and people and just random people that RSVP to come. So I did not invite this person that started shit with you, Angela. And she's like, well, I did my own research to find out who he was, because people do not play with me or my husband. And they decided to pay him a little visit, and I found out that he was paid to be there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Angela's saying she did her research. She basically asked the producer, like, who was that person? Did you guys plant this person? And, like, yeah, we paid him. We paid him to be on the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what it sounds like, right? I mean, who would pay somebody to do this? This is crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

That much a shadow conspiracy where there's, like, someone else who's, like, hired the gay to do the dirty work. Yeah, it's very involved. So Angela is like, we are not the people to play with. And the producer's like, so are you, like, tied to the mob? She's like, no, I'm not tied to the mob. We're just tied to people who care about us deeply. That's all. Just people who just really enjoy a lot of corn on the cob.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we have a. Now we have a mystery. Who pays this person to confront Charles at a Williams Sonoma waffle event? All right, I got a package of money here. Here's where. Here's where the drop is. You're going to go to a place called Williams Sonomas, all right? They're going to have really expensive ladles. Ignore those. Get the package. Get the package in. Do not get intercepted by the waffle security.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now, the question. Is this in Sonoma actually, or is it just called Sonoma? It's called it. Go. So, Phaedra, so the party, the thing is going to start. So Drew arrives 15 minutes late, and she's, like, locked outside of this, like, upstairs of this, like, strip mall. And she's standing there. They're all dressed up, and, like, on the outside, it's like this rinky dink place. So she's like, okay, well. Okay, well, there was so much traffic. I mean, I said there was, like, traffic. I mean, is there, like, an official here? Is it the president? I mean, there's so much going on. And she shows us that she did, in fact take a video showing that there was traffic, which was. It looked like there was a lot of traffic. Although, you know, as someone who has himself gotten into traffic and has shown up a little late to things, you know the truth, which is you can always look to see what the traffic is before you leave and plan for it. So sorry, Drew, the video does not help your case. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you're in Atlanta, which always has traffic. Would you yourself stuff just said. Yeah, but it's still funny. And she's so used to being disrespected by this cast, honestly, that she's just like, whatever, I'll just hang out here. She just makes the most of her scene being in the hallway. She's like, oh, my God, does that security guard have chicken? Is that chicken down there? And he brings her up chicken. She's like, oh, this is lips. This is where the real party is up here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She doesn't even bother having, like, a diva storm out moment. Like, I can't believe it. She's just like, no, I know there's more free food inside, so I'm just gonna wait. I will wait 45 minutes.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now Drew, let's see Kelly and Cynthia and all those guys. So Drew. Sorry, let me skip Drew. So Cynthia's like, well, it's interesting that that guy would take time out of. Out of his busy schedule to come be at little old Kelly's event. And Kelly's like, yeah, who would pay him? You know, maybe the people that don't show go up are the ones that did it. Insinuating maybe it's Brit, because Britt had people to her house that day. So maybe Brit's the one that paid him to show up. Britt's not even paying. Britt doesn't pay for anything. She won't even pay for a chicken meal at her country club.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Brit is not paying for that. So then Brit is like, well, well.

[Ronnie Karam]

We were all at my house, if.

[Ben Mandelker]

That'S what you're implying. And Kelly's like, wait a second. Britt let you guys into her house? And they're like, yeah. And Cynthia's like, yeah, and Portia too. I was like, oh, my gosh, she let Portia into her house finally. Britt's like, yeah, I did. And you know what?

[Ronnie Karam]

You can Address me. I know that's kind of difficult sometimes, but you can address me. She's like, well, I'm so proud of you. I mean, it's not really difficult. Britt's like, it seems like it is. You don't have to be passive aggressive. Oh, I'm not passive. I'm aggressive aggressive. Oh, well, I've never seen you aggressive. It's like, don't play with me. Yeah, don't play with me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Brit loves calling people passive aggressive when she herself is the most passive aggressive. Seems a little passive aggressive. Well, if you realize you're saying that passive aggressively yourself. So Cynthia's like, okay, okay, okay. You guys can have that conversation later. We are here to watch the photographer who didn't use headshots 10 years ago walk in a fashion show. Okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

They're like, so then they just start nonsense fighting, which is my favorite. When Brit's like, why are you the big bad wolf? And she goes, oh, yeah, I'm the mighty wolf. You. Have you heard that story, the waffle wolf? No, you're not.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a Persona. That wolf is a Persona. Like, yes, of course. What? You think she's literally a wolf? Of course if you say, I'm a mighty wolf, of course you're saying your Persona is a mighty wolf. You're not saying I'm literally a mighty wolf. Like, guess what? Surprise. I have four legs and a tail.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now, you're not literally a wolf. So Kelly's like, oh, I'm insecure. And Brett's like, oh, she wants an audience. Oh, my God. You two are trying so hard. It's so awkward to watch. I'm cringing watching this. So they're trying to have this big fight. And so Kelly's like, oh, well, you want to use my team? And she's like, oh, the team that you begged for me to work with? Because you need a sidekick.

[Ben Mandelker]

I hate to tell you this. If someone is begging for you to work with a stylist, it means that you look crazy. Someone's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what I mean? My family's always begging me because my pants are always falling down. They're like, get a stylist, please. I'm like, or a belt.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it means that you probably go out looking like Jackie Goldschneider's mom. Remember, Jackie Goldschneider was like, mom, I need to get you a makeover. You cannot go in public looking like this anymore. It's like, you know what? I don't need to brush my hair. I don't want to.

[Ronnie Karam]

I burned it. So Britt says that Kelly was feeling insecure because she was second in Nashville when it was her entire idea to share a glam squad. Listen, she helped you out, she loaned you the glam squad, and then you came in and tried to steal the glam squad.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And what does this mean? She looked second in Nashville was. I mean, they showed, like, people like, walking in some sort of. I guess. I guess that was a competition when they were, like, walking on, like, a Runway or whatever in Nashville. I don't know. This seems like a very tenuous claim by Britt. Edie.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Kelly is like, what? You better talk to your motherfucking roommate. And you better talk to your pill popping roommate. And she's like, oh, my God, girl, you're so cute. And Cynthia's like, oh, not pill popping roommate. Because she's telling Cynthia, talk to your roommate because they shared the room or whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And then, oh, I thought the roommate thing was like, you're like, your husband's just like a roommate, like, whatever.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because I could be wrong.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who did Cynthia room with in that trip? Already forgotten. This show's trying. I have to be honest. I forgot who she was rooming with. Was it Brit?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, it was.

[Ben Mandelker]

But then, like, who?

[Ronnie Karam]

It was Drew. Yeah. She always have been talking about the man. Yeah, you're right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because, like, who? But I don't know. She just says pill popping roommate. I don't really even understand the complex. I just know that it was a burn.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Shami is like, wow, I didn't see this coming. But she's like, bored. She's like, okay, whatever. So Phaedra's like, wow, she just offered me a little Advil pm. I mean, I didn't get the propofol Michael Jackson special.

[Ben Mandelker]

So maybe it wasn't the husband. I don't know what was really happening.

[Ronnie Karam]

Someone had pills, but there's an accusation that she's a pill popper. So then.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, maybe Kelly wasn't talking to Brit. Maybe Kelly was talking to Phaedra and calling, said, you better talk to your roommate. Yeah, she's favorite was roommates with Brit. And she's saying Brit is the pill popper.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's saying Brit's the pill hopper. I know that much.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're really on top of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because Brit's like, oh, yeah, we're. I'm just like, this show, like, okay, just end it for sake.

[Ben Mandelker]

Go back to William Sonoma.

[Ronnie Karam]

You don't need a full Season. If you've got nothing, you don't need to make this into 17 episodes. Okay, give me a solid 10.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would have been much happier with Brit just walking around that William. I mean, with. Not with Brit, with Kelly walking around that William Sonoma just browsing for. For housewares. I would have been totally fine. 45 minutes of that. Like, talking about the spatulas, the bottle openers, the.

[Ronnie Karam]

The.

[Ben Mandelker]

The fish turners. Like, give me that. Not this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Brit's like, oh, really? She's not going to respect me then, baby, I'm going to lay the whole thing out. Well, the stylist said you look like a mess, so keep it up. Unless you want to talk about those abortions you had when you were married. Okay, just go for.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is. This is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can we.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is a lot coming.

[Ronnie Karam]

This lady in the head, and then shoo her off. Like, at this point, get a fire extinguisher and just spray it in her face. I can't.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, just yelling at a fashion show where Phaedra's kids are just, like, around the corner about how Kelly had two abortions. Something said in confidence, you're just going to yell it out, like, what about those abortions you had when you were married? This is coming from the same woman who's suing Bravo for creating a hostile work environment while you're airing someone's, like, deeply personal, like, story that could have been very traumatic out in the public, like, to weaponize it in a stupid, petty fight about a stylist. And then you're going to go and sue Bravo and talk about hustle, work environment. So I just got to say, this woman's full of.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's full of. And then the. But then Kelly goes low back. She's like, oh, you can't even have a kid, so you can never be me. I'm like, okay, this is. I love that Bravo's getting sued, like you said, for problematic stuff. And they're like, yeah, this sounds great. Leave all this in. In leaving abortion and infertility stuff and. Sounds great. So Brit's like, nobody wants to be you, you little hobbit.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's leave. Let's leave JR Tolkien out of this. Okay. So then Kelly's like, get me out of here now. She thinks that's cute. So Shamia's like, well, you know how you felt with all the Kenya stuff? Yeah. You can't bring up the abortion stuff. Okay. So remember, you're. You're. You're losing your Credibility, Right? That's the only thing that's kept you coasting through this season right now and kept us nice to you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but she obviously gets to Kelly, because this is crazy. So Kelly's, like, being held back from people, and she's like, you whore ass bitch. She's a ho. And Phaedra's like, well, I don't know. I mean, something about an abortion and a marriage. Well, that's illegal after Trump, so you ain't got to worry about that no more. Probably can't even get any birth control.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Phaedra goes, follows Kelly, and just tries to calm her down. She's okay. Take a deep breath. I'm a Reiki healer now, by the way. I'm a Reiki. She's like, I don't care about what you do with your gardens. No, Reiki's not that, but whatever. And Kelly's like, it's enough. It's enough. And so she, like, tries to calm her down. And Kelly says, look, first of all, it's my body and my choice. Second of all, I got my tube ties after the twins, so I couldn't even make a baby if I wanted to. So then Pedro's just, like, calming her down. She's like, this is a place of peace, and we are gonna film a sad scene in a moment, so just calm yourself down. You've got diamonds on your eyelids. You've got $10,000 boots.

[Ronnie Karam]

Meanwhile, they're still outside. And she's just like, oh, my God. Camera person. Those shoes are cute. Wow. Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Drew is like, can I get in? And so she starts, like, knocking. It's very much like Mary Cosby at the. At the Bat Mitzvah. So she's like, hello, can I come in? And then the fashion show starts, and they're, like, trying to redo, like, and now this next person is wearing a faux chinchilla. And you just hear, like, a hello. Hello.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was funny. So she's like, well, if I was there earlier, I never would have even seen that officer with the chicken. And the chicken was good, good. And the officer's cute, too. So that's where the real party's at. So they let her in because she's not going to stop knocking. And Phaedra's like, well, when we say six, we really mean six. Now here come my children in crazy, awkward pants. So the pants walk. And Dylan's so cute. They are crazy pants, though. But he walks the pants. And I'm proud of those kids.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're untransked actually.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Big, wide pants are on. Yeah, they're on.

[Ronnie Karam]

They'll bottom cargoes.

[Ben Mandelker]

They are. It's crazy. So I know they can do anything. And Aiden gets up there and he's like, hi, everybody. How's everybody feeling? Hey, we're doing pre orders right now on thestararchive.com. get your pre order now. There will be a lemonade stand afterwards. So then Phaedra's so proud. She's like, you know, my boys are my legacy. My goal in life is, is to give them a leg up and tell them that all the time I want you to have a leg up. So put a big bell bottom on it because you will be your brother's keeper. And no matter what happens in life, you have him, because I won't be here forever. And she chokes up. And I was like, this would have been the perfect time for them to play that little clip once again to make us all cry of, I'm always gonna be your little baby. Remember Aiden in the back seat? And we all cried. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now people are shopping, and Shamia goes over to Britain. She's like, listen, this. You know, she's going through a divorce. Like, why can't you call or text her going through that? And she's like, I can't be fake. By the way, my insurance license was suspended by the president of Iran after Angela and Kenya lying about me. And also, I paid for every meal. You are the fakest person on this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Truly. Truly. So then Angela, they're all looking at the furs and everything, and they like some things and not others. But then. So then the episode sort of ends on this awkward and sad note because Phaedra basically gathers everyone around and tells everyone that Loni died. And so Shamia is crying because obviously Shamia knows Loni because she's best friends with Portia. And other people are just like, Cynthia is shocked. You know, she's met Londy, too. And it's just like, they're all kind of, like, halted by it. And Phaedra's basically like, we have to really stick together and support one another. Stop, you know, weaponizing people's abortions against each other at a fashion show that my children are at. And then it just sort of ends on this, like, sad note, like, rip Londi. And it's true. Rip Londi. So next week is the season finale, and we're gonna see the. The gay try it with Charles Oakley, which will probably fail massively.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Yeah, that should be good. Because I guess Angela decides. The producers probably talked to Angela and were like, listen, we've tried to give you something and you said no. So you were gonna have a storyline with this guy. Go find this man right now and confront him. So I guess they're gonna do that next week. So we'll see, everybody.

[Ben Mandelker]

We will see. Thanks everyone for being here on this sort of like uneven up and down campy serious episode. And we will be back tomorrow with some Below deck and more Love Island. Goodbye, everyone. Oh, and crappy hours tonight. Crappy hours tonight. I forgot to mention it. Bad host. Bad host. Crappy hours tonight. Join us at 5:30 8:30 Eastern to talk Bravo Gossip on YouTube and Instagram. See you there.

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