#2902 Crappy Hour 6/23/2025: Tre Hangs Up, Traitors Casts Season 4

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens Episode #2902 - "Crappy Hour 6/23/2025: Tre Hangs Up, Traitors Casts Season 4"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: June 25, 2025
Podcast: Watch What Crappens
Platform: Wondery

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1. Introduction and Tour Recap [00:00 - 03:03]

Ronnie Karam and Ben Mandelker kick off the episode by sharing experiences from their recent cross-country tour. They express excitement about returning home and re-engaging with the Bravo-centric conversations that their listeners enjoy.

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2. Teresa Giudice's On-Air Meltdown [03:03 - 09:48]

Discussion Points:

• Teresa Giudice's Appearance on WGN:
  [03:37] Ronnie highlights a headline about Teresa Giudice having an on-air meltdown during a Zoom interview with WGN News. Ben elaborates on the incident, mentioning the host Larry Potash’s abrasive questioning about Teresa and her husband Louis’s tax issues.

• Unpaid Taxes:
  [07:15] The hosts discuss revelations that Teresa and Louis have accumulated significant unpaid taxes, with Louis owing approximately $2.5 million and Teresa $300,000. They humorously criticize the couple's financial management and speculate on the sustainability of their lifestyle without sufficient income from Bravo or Teresa's books.

• Potential Legal Consequences:
  [09:17] Ben predicts that Louis's actions might lead to legal repercussions for Teresa, jokingly suggesting her time in jail was "the best housewife's jail stint" due to the connections she made.

Notable Quotes:

• Ronnie [03:37]: “Teresa on air meltdown. Because I did not hear about this.”
• Ben [07:15]: “They owe like millions in taxes. This guy does not have the money to fund their lifestyle.”

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3. Caroline Manzo’s Warning and New Real Housewives Show [09:48 - 14:35]

Discussion Points:

• Caroline Manzo’s Caution Against Joining Bravo:
  [10:56] Caroline Manzo advises against joining the new Real Housewives of Rhode Island, cautioning that participation can lead to public scrutiny and personal life disruptions. The hosts mock the misleading nature of Bravo's promotion tactics, specifically how editing can distort reality.

• Editing Practices of Bravo:
  [12:10] Ben criticizes Bravo's editing strategies, citing instances where interviews are manipulated to create misleading narratives, such as snipping dialogues to suggest cheating allegations.

• Impact on Participants:
  [14:35] The conversation shifts to how participants, like Caroline, have to navigate external family issues alongside the pressures of reality TV.

Notable Quotes:

• Ronnie [10:56]: “You can't even throw ham at the wall anymore without someone making fun of your kid.”
• Ben [12:10]: “People think I love leveraging, but I'm actually stuck with that for the rest of his life.”

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4. Love Hotel Season 2 Casting Controversy [14:35 - 27:47]

Discussion Points:

• Rumored Casting Choices:
  [14:43] Ben introduces a rumor about the second season of Love Hotel featuring a predominantly male cast from Bravo shows, including Jesse Lally and Tom Schwartz.

• Critique of Male Cast Members:
  [16:25] Ronnie expresses disdain for the choice of casting Jesse Lally, labeling him as a "villain" and expressing no support for his participation in a dating show.

• Desire for Diverse Casting:
  [19:42] Ben and Ronnie discuss their preference for age-appropriate and genuinely seeking relationships over selecting reality TV personalities who may not contribute positively to the show's dynamics.

• Predictions on Show Dynamics:
  [20:17] The hosts predict that Jesse Lally and similar cast members will not engage authentically, leading to a lack of interest and problematic interactions.

Notable Quotes:

• Ronnie [16:25]: “No one cares if he finds love. We know it'll just be him being like, oh...”
• Ben [20:17]: “Shep tried and failed to anchor a dating show. It's not gonna work now.”

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5. Predictions for Real Housewives of Rhode Island and New Cast Members [27:47 - 43:56]

Discussion Points:

• Caroline Stanbury and Portia Williams:
  [39:07] Ronnie and Ben predict Caroline Stanbury will be sharp and possibly fragile, while Portia Williams may either take on an accusatory role or misjudge situations, leading to likable yet flawed interactions.

• Lisa Rinna and Dorinda Medley Dynamics:
  [43:18] The hosts expect tension between Lisa Rinna and Dorinda Medley, anticipating confrontations and strategic gameplay that disrupt group harmony.

• Inclusion of Other Reality TV Personalities:
  [42:07] Discussion includes additional cast members from shows like Big Brother, Survivor, and Love Island, such as Natalie Anderson and Johnny Weir. Ben and Ronnie analyze how these personalities might influence the show's dynamics, often predicting inevitable conflicts and betrayals.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben [39:07]: “Caroline Stanbury doesn't really like other people. It takes her a long time to start talking.”
• Ronnie [43:18]: “Why don't we put Joe Bradley in there. Or, like, literally anyone.”

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6. Interaction Among New Cast Members and Speculations [43:56 - 55:54]

Discussion Points:

• Michael Rapaport's Potential Conflict:
  [54:32] Ben and Ronnie speculate that Michael Rapaport's presence will stir significant drama, with Candace Dillard likely confronting him vehemently.

• Survivor and Big Brother Alumni:
  [44:43] The conversation touches on various alumni from Survivor and Big Brother, discussing their strengths and potential roles within the new cast dynamic.

• Kristen Kish's Inclusion:
  [51:30] Ronnie questions the relevance of Kristen Kish from Top Chef joining the cast, while Ben remains optimistic about her ability to navigate the reality TV environment strategically.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben [54:32]: “He made me excited to see Candace back on TV again because I wasn't. I'm not a hater, but I'm not, like, a huge fan.”
• Ronnie [55:54]: “I'm going to get T-shirts made with Candace's face on.”

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7. Final Predictions and Closing Remarks [55:54 - 57:37]

Discussion Points:

• Final Cast Predictions:
  The hosts share their final thoughts on how different cast members will fare in the competition, emphasizing potential alliances, betrayals, and standout moments that will shape the season.

• Engagement with Listeners:
  Ben and Ronnie invite listeners to join their live discussions through video chat on platforms like YouTube and Patreon, encouraging interaction and community building among Bravo enthusiasts.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben [56:41]: “I think Kristen has a really good chance. She's very smart. She can get along with anybody.”
• Ronnie [57:37]: “It's Always a good time when you're wasting time with Bravo.”

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8. Conclusion

Ben and Ronnie wrap up the episode with humor and anticipation for the upcoming season, reinforcing their commitment to providing insightful and entertaining commentary on Bravo's reality TV offerings. They remind listeners to join their community on Patreon for exclusive content and interactions.

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Notable Quotes Overview:

• Ronnie [03:37]: "Teresa on air meltdown. Because I did not hear about this."
• Ben [07:15]: “They owe like millions in taxes. This guy does not have the money to fund their lifestyle.”
• Ronnie [10:56]: “You can't even throw ham at the wall anymore without someone making fun of your kid.”
• Ben [12:10]: “People think I love leveraging, but I'm actually stuck with that for the rest of his life.”
• Ronnie [16:25]: “No one cares if he finds love. We know it'll just be him being like, oh...”
• Ben [39:07]: “Caroline Stanbury doesn't really like other people. It takes her a long time to start talking.”
• Ben [54:32]: “He made me excited to see Candace back on TV again because I wasn't. I'm not a hater, but I'm not, like, a huge fan.”
• Ronnie [55:54]: “I'm going to get T-shirts made with Candace's face on.”

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Note: This summary focuses solely on the substantive content of the podcast, excluding advertisements, intros, and outros as per the request. The hosts provide a humorous and critical analysis of Bravo's reality TV castings and dynamics, engaging listeners with their candid opinions and entertaining predictions.

Transcript

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

What Happens. Watch what happens. Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much rap?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens Crappy Hour. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hi, Ben.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. What's been going on with you today?

[Ronnie Karam]

Baby, you know, it's been a busy day, getting back into the grind of things. There's been so much happening in terms of like, you know, Love island and Real Housewives. Just. It's been a lot. It's been exciting, you know. So what about you? What have you been up to?

[Ben Mandelker]

Been some exciting times. Yeah, we're having some turnover. We're gonna get. We've got a lot of shows leaving, a lot of shows coming back on the air. No, so much.

[Ronnie Karam]

So much is happening. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, so much is going on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we just had. So our last show of the tour was on Thursday, which was super fun, and we just celebrated all weekend. And that was so great. It was so great to, like, celebrate, be with friends and family and. But now I'm like. It's like, wow, like, now it's. Now it's. Now it's over. And time to get back to business, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And here we are, back to business. So this is crappy hour. This is where we talk. Bravo, headlines, news, gossip. What's looking good for you this week?

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? What's looking good for me? I'm just looking at the document tm, and one of the first things that I saw is this headline you put in there. Teresa Giudice has an on air meltdown. Because I did not hear about this. And I want to hear about Teresa's on air meltdown.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my gosh. So she went on wgn. You know, we've gone on there before, me and you, to become very famous, when they were like, wow. She went on WGN and got upset. We were on there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Larry, what would you say?

[Ben Mandelker]

We were on there, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we were on wgn. It was like one of the anchors, I think his name was Larry, and he was like, he was kind of like hot in an o fee way because he, like, didn't understand anything. And he was like, what? The Real Housewives? Like, this stuff is silly. It's just women fighting. Like, he was one of those. But then his anchor was a lady and she was nice. Like, well, Larry, you know, it's a really fun. It's. It's a fun show. God, I love talking about it. What do you think about tm? What do you think about Ramona Singer? Can you do a Ramona Singer impersonation? So she was our people. But he was like, what's up with these, These, these ladies? And it was really fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he is very much like, wow, sounds crazy. Maybe I'll get into it. Well, I love that. That lady that he works with just keeps getting him involved because apparently she's just going to bring all kinds of Bravo people on there. And I love that for him. I love that he's just, like, stuck with that for the rest of his life. It's like you marry. It's like marrying a Bravo fan. You know, working with a Bravo fan is like marrying a Bravo fan. If you're not one, you're screwed. She's just going to be like, okay, now, this is Bethany Frankel. Bethany, what do you think of the corn chowder around here? Yeah, it's disgusting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Use a little bit more cream. How about this? How about this? How about instead of corn? How about corn instead of corn cheddar? How about a little bit of. Of cheetah brand chowder? Because that's what this is. It's just a big cheetah brand chowder.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so Teresa was on. This is from Daily Mail uk. So, the Zoom interview. She did a Zoom interview with WGN News. And it began pleasantly enough, because how can you not. It's wgn. You know, probably something like, oh, hey, Larry, you ever heard of Real Housewives in New Jersey? Hey, is that one of those crazy house shows where the wives are crazy and yell at each other? It sure is. Stop pretending you don't watch it, Lou or Larry. So it was. It began pleasantly enough because she was asked if she's gonna star in the Jersey reboot, and she responded, I mean, I hope so because I'm the og. So, like, I mean, yeah, like, I guess so. So I guess we'll see what happens. And she says, you're gonna have to ask Bravo for that.

[Ronnie Karam]

However, her smile soon faded as host Larry Potash. See, it was Larry. I. We should have known that Larry did this. Larry. Larry Potash quipped, how is it that a family doesn't pay their taxes for years? This is exactly the sort of question that this guy would ask. That's hilarious. So she did not like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

It sounds like they got this part, but I think that she said in this. I think she was like, ha, ha. Whose family, huh? Like, whose family? Like yours? Who do you think we're talking. What do you think we're gonna ask you about the Chrisleys? Yours, dummy. And she's like, all right, yeah, you know what? I'm gonna hang out now. That's it. I'm gonna hang up now. And she hung up on his ass. That was it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then it says, the baffled host said she didn't like the question. This is definitely Larry who asked? Who said this? She didn't like that question. Isn't that part of the show? I love that. This article is totally proving the jokes I was making at the top of it about Larry. I was like. He was totally this guy. I was like, oh, God, these Real Housewives. I mean, so don't they just fight on that show? Don't they just not pay their taxes and fight on that show?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but that's how Theresa will do it. She's either going to call you the C word and threaten your family, or she will hang up on your ass. And that's what she did. You know? So then we find out that it's been revealed they have $3 million in state tax liens placed on them because they have not paid their taxes. Okay. And according to the New Jersey courts, Teresa owes 300 grand in unpaid taxes, and Louis owes 2.5 million. And it's on top of an earlier lien. 163. So are they paying any taxes? No wonder G is like, there's no taxes in Jers. That's why I don't move to this city. There's no taxes here. Stop listening to your parents. You're going to be in jail.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. Seriously, these are not good financial planners. They're just not good planners in general. I would actually say just. Just broaden it up into any categories. They're not planning for it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't even think it was planning. I think they're just like, no, we don't got to pay that. I mean, everybody knows you got to pay taxes, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, you don't. You don't have to pay taxes. If you got, like, a husband who loves you, no taxes there. Yeah. This is, like, the most. This is the least surprising, you know, outcome for Teresa and Louis that they had. They owe, like, millions in taxes. I mean, this guy does not have the money to. To fund their lifestyle, I'll tell you that much. And Teresa makes money from Bravo, but she hasn't been working in a year on Bravo significantly. And you know, her books, like, I think her. It's past the heyday for those books to bring in a lot of money, so it's just not going to keep up with their lifestyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, they're screwed. I mean, we said it when we first saw this. This guy Louis come on the scene. We said, he's gonna get her back in prison. And let's see. Let's see. I mean, I don't think just us said that. I think anyone with, you know, a brain, you know, or reasoning skills probably said that. But you know, hopefully she doesn't go back to jail. Although she did a great job in jail. I think she, she's probably had the best housewives jail stint of all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like she met all those people. She learned to make jinx and ponchos. She did great.

[Ronnie Karam]

She did. Although we're still waiting to hear what happens when Jen Shaw gets out, because we did. The rumor is that Jen Shaw was leading like, you know, doing like talk shows and fashion shows or pageants or something like that. She became friends with Elizabeth Holmes. So Jen Shaw has a pretty good like jail resume at this point.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's. The difference is that she's like a theater kid. Like Jen Shaw's producing housewives shows in the jail. So that's been pretty impressive. Hope we don't have to find out about that one on tv. So that'd be nice. But let's see. I don't even. I didn't read this next one. But while we're talking about Jersey, I just thought it was an interesting headline link. So let's see what it is. Open link. You know what? I'm opening it along with you. Caroline Manzo, honest warning about new Real Housewives show. She walked away from Real Housewives of Jersey with the marriage intact and a sanity mostly unscathed. But she says that was pure luck. Before Bravo could locks in a lekka Fraser for the upcoming Rhode island version, Manzo delivered a no nonsense reality check that convinced Fraser to walk away from the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she said, listen, you go on to Bravo and next thing you know, you can't even throw ham at the wall anymore without someone making fun of your kid. You can't even have a kid who aspires to open up a car wash anymore without people mocking you. Don't do it. Don't do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She says don't do it. You'll blow up your life. Cut my face and put it into a reaction that I didn't really have. Snippeted my husband's voice to, to create fake cheating rumors. Caroline, those are not fake cheating rumors. That man never comes home when your man has an apartment in his workspace. It's not just because of the commute.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. You know, it's, you know, poor Carolyn. It's, it's too bad it took her four seasons to realize they were doing all these tricks to her.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, Caroline had no idea.

[Ronnie Karam]

Caroline Manza, Really? It's too bad, you know, and I'm so, I'm so, I'M so sad that she had that temporary amnesia about all the things that Bravo does that led her back to Girls Trip because, like, Bravo's obviously so awful. She would never go back there. But I guess she forgot, so she went back after after all. So, yeah, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Person from Rhode Island.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I like that Bravo. You know, Bravo's notoriously bad with their editing because they'll. They'll try and get tricky with their editing, but then you see someone holding a phone, and then they're holding a different phone. Like happened on the Valley this week. You know, stuff like that. Or a couple weeks ago. But this, you know, snipping in her husband's voice was good because it was just like, Frank Oz. It's like, oh, I just. I want you to come up to my office as soon as possible. I just want to give you hugs. Wait a minute. This doesn't sound right, but America fell for it. Like, Kermit's cheating on Caroline, man. So. That poor thing. That poor, poor thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. You know what's so funny to me? This has nothing to do with Caroline Manzo, but this article talks about Real Housewives of.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? I say that sometimes because, like, I'm reading news about Iran and I'm like, well, it's not about Caroline Manzo, so I'll just keep reading.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's actually as long as not about cameras to begin. But it's just funny in this article, they're talking about Real Housewives of Rhode island, and they have the little acronym R H O, R, I, which I hadn't actually really seen before. And, you know, when you say it out loud, it says Rory. But I like that the. The accent is built in because with the hd, it really becomes Rory. And I'm like, that's perfect for this show. You know, you guys gonna watch Rory? Like, you have to say it in the accent.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, get ready for. You know, they have such close ties to all the Jersey people because supposedly Dolores, as we talked about, is going to go start the show off and be like, welcome, welcome to Rhode Island Rails. It's me, Dolores. So she's. I guess they're all connected somehow. It's good signs. That's good signs for that show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I'm sure they are all. It's all connected or whatever. But Caroline Manzo, I mean, like, yeah, like, sure. Bravo, like, you know, does clever editing to. They'll take one reaction from one thing and put it in somewhere else. But, like, you know, you were on that show starting in 2009 or whatever. Those tricks were, like, highly advertised even then. You know, you're just no babe in the woods. So I say get over it. And I don't want to hear about tricks that Bravo does when you've got like a brother in law who basically, like, attacked your sister and, like, you seem more angry at Bravo than you are at your brother in law.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. While we're talking about people ruining people's lives. Yeah. How about apologize to your sister? Fucking weirdo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So in some very terrible news, I've got some really bad news. And I don't like to bring this. You know, I love negativity. Like, I like anger and rage, but I like it to be about, you know, things that people are doing and stuff like that. I don't like it to just be about the sad states of things. But I have to break that today because it is rumored there's a new rumor out of who the cast of Love Hotel season two is gonna be. And it's not who we wanted, okay? Because we wanted. Who do we want? Like Sutton.

[Ronnie Karam]

We said Sutton, Karen.

[Ben Mandelker]

We wanted Karen to, you know, just cheat on Ray and do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Karen. I think we were gonna. Was there someone from Orange County? Let's see. I'm trying to remember who is in the mix.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, I think just keep putting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shannon, Alexia, maybe Sutton, Alexia, Shannon, Luann, but definitely, like, Sutton. And Sutton and Alexia, I think were in our. In our mix.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think we had it. We came up with a pretty good cast for it the other day. You know, we were hoping somebody would listen, but guess what? They did not. Because the rumor. This is coming from Nick Vile via Up and Atom Live is where I'm actually reading about Nick Vile saying it. But. So this is third hand news for everybody out there. Or fourth hand, because Nick File heard it from somewhere too. But he just dropped a bomb about the rumored all male cast of Love Hotel Season 2 featuring Bravo's most notorious man children. Oh, Shep, Carl, Jesse Lally and Tom Schwartz. Are you fucking kidding me? Is there a bath among these men?

[Ronnie Karam]

Why are we still peddling Tom Schwartz? Okay, like, I can see that there's an argument to be made for Carl and Jesse and Shep because they are on active. They're actively on shows. But Schwartz was never the star of Vanderpump Rules. He's never been terribly appealing. He's just sort of like floppy. He's like a piece of gum on the bottom of your shoes. He's cute, but he does not like need to be on this show. No one cares about his love life. No one cares if he finds love. We know it'll just be him being like, oh, and it's not going to be interesting. Now I would also say that this entire cast, that this is not what any of us want to see because you've established that Love Hotel is for women of a certain age to find a man. And like, what? Part of what I really loved about Love Hotel was that it was so weird. And I loved that we saw women who are older than your typical 24 year old blondie from Nashville dating and dating strange older men. Earl to Pearl, Phil and what's his face Ralph. You know, like that was, that was funny to me. I don't want to see these guys dating. Just like typical reality TV flotsam and jetsam.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Lynxy says none of those people are looking for love, just penicillin. I would have to agree. And on your note about the previous casting, also, I think with the women, they're casting age appropriate men. You know, they're like, okay, we've got someone in their 50s, let's cast someone in their 50s. We've got someone in their 60s. Let's give them people in their 60s to go. These guys won't, they'll all be 22. You know, it'll be all these old dudes with like their 22 year olds trying to get their Instagram accounts padded. And Shep, here's one positive thing. When we saw Shep have his relationship show called Relationship, which is kind of a deep cut. I don't know if any of you watch that, but it was the first reality show I've ever seen where everybody self evicted. I mean, you spend five minutes with that guy and people were just like, nah, I'm out of here. I mean, I've never seen the Bachelor get dumped so many times. The Bachelor was just a revolving door of girls who were like, hell no. Yeah, so that'll be fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shep tried and failed to anchor a dating show. It's not gonna. If it didn't work, then it's not gonna work now. There is one positive in all this. Actually, I would say there was probably four positives in and that's the STD results. Congratulations. You're all positive for something. No, but for real though, I also think that like, these are not people who are like really looking for love. I think what's, what's fun about the Real Housewives is that Those four women. Well, maybe not Gisele. Giselle was there just for the lulls. But like, Luann, Ashley, and Shannon, those, to me, seem like lonely women who wanted to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ashley's been dating Beavis. Take Ashley.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but they still want to. Like, they want a man in their lives. You know, they want someone in their lives. And especially, like, Shannon and maybe to some degree, Luann. I think that they do. They are in a place where they're thinking about, like, I don't want to do this again. I want to find. I want to find the one that sticks that carries me to the grave. Like, this is the one. Like, I. Like, I want to grow old with someone. And there's, like, a sense of urgency about that that's, like, different than the biological clock urgency. And these guys are just like, oh, I want to be in a relationship. So that way people think I've grown up when they haven't at all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Yeah, that's true. They need, like, reputation rehab. Whereas the women are like, no, we literally just want someone decent in our lives. That would be nice, because even Ashley would dump Beavis if she found someone good enough, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

And. Yes. And honestly, I don't know if I can deal with an entire dating show of Carl having heart to hearts with girls saying, yeah, I'm just, like, taking things, like, one day at a time. Like, now that I'm sober, being on a beach is kind of crazy because, like, all the sand, it kind of reminds me of, like, having margaritas. And so it's just, like. It's hard. It's like, really these days. My ex was really into it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sober. I just wanted you to know I'm sober to be like, we know Carl. Jesus Christ, every time he ordered a Sprite, he'd want a Nobel.

[Ronnie Karam]

And by the way, just, Jesse Lolly is a. Jesse Lolly is also a villain. And so, like, I'm not rooting for him to find love. I'm rooting for, like, natural disasters. Like, I want him to be on. Like, I want him to be in, like, tornado hotel. I want him to be in a hotel where a tornado comes through and he gets destroyed, you know? Like, I'm not rooting for love for him. I don't want him to find.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want him to, like, get stuck on the wicked tuna boat and just, like, watch it ruin his shoes and make him hang out with manly men who, like, go chase tuna.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just want him to get eaten by a tuna. How about that? And they're, like, sustainable now, bitch.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I think Jesse Lolly needs, like, a lifetime movie ending where he's, like, thrown down the stairs like, oh, he's dead. And then. But he gets back up and keeps chasing you. And then he's stabbed, and they're like, oh, he's dead, but then he gets up and keeps chasing you, and then he just ends up in jail or something. You know, I won't say yeah, because that's not nice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, if. If they are gonna do this, fine. But, like, if we have to drop someone, it should be Jesse Lolly because he is a villain, and I don't want him to have some sort of redemption arc where he gets to fake cry about Isabella and, like, how hard it is for him and his fucking hair dent. I don't want to see it. If you're gonna throw in another guy in there, then, I don't know, throw in someone from Southern hospitality. How about that? Throw Joe Bradley in there. Or, like, literally anyone. Like, there's got to be someone other than Jesse Lolly. Why don't we put Zach? Well, no, Zach, I guess has Bungie.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, like, oh, that'll be having a game mixed in there. Oh, my gosh.

[Ronnie Karam]

That would be great. Yeah, but they can't. That does it up because, like, the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hang out with the guys, he'd go for, you know, he'd go hang out with all the women who were on the show. Like, Like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And like, if we were on a show that was mixed, we would not even pay attention to the guys. We'd be over, like, Oscar gossiping with the chicks about everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sure there's someone from below deck they can throw on there. There's some boson or some.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I think they learned their below deck lesson with that winter house, because remember, they were like, let's open this up to below deck people. And it just went to very fast.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not because of the below deck people. Well, Malia wasn't great. She didn't really flood.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wasn't great.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, none of them really helped. But. Okay, well, there's that. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

[Ronnie Karam]

We acting bad, bad, bad, bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

We ain't trying to hurt nobody.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Today is the worst day of Abby's life. The 17 year old cradles her newborn son in her arms. They all saw how much I loved him. They didn't have to take him from me. Between 1945 and the early 1970s, families shipped their pregnant teenage daughters to maternity homes and forced them to secretly place their babies for adoption in hidden corners across America. It's still happening.

[Ronnie Karam]

My parents had me locked up in.

[Ben Mandelker]

The godparent home against my will.

[Ronnie Karam]

They worked with them to manipulate me and to steal my son away from me.

[Ben Mandelker]

The godparent home is the brainchild of controversial preacher Jerry Falwell, the father of the modern evangelical right and the founder of Liberty University, where powerful men, emboldened by their faith, determine who gets to be a parent and who must give their child away. Follow Liberty Lost on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Good news and that is a Congratulations it is. To a new human that's in the world. Congratulations, new human. You are the eighth child. You're gonna be the eighth child of Kelsey Grammer. 70 year old dad is about to have his eighth dance.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love the misdirection. The misdirection was amazing. And here we thought it was gonna be Kristen Doute, but no Frasier.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, congrats to her too. I'm sure that baby psyched you, but the the one who really won is fragile. How many kids can you not support, sir?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I mean, maybe like it's too much tossed salad and scrambled eggs at this point. Can we not. Yeah, stop.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's having babies. Speaking of babies that are eventually going to be screwed over, Kim Zolciak. Now this is from Next Gen NYC because Ariana, Kim's daughter is on there and said that her mom went through all of her money. She went through all of the daughter's money that she made as an influencer and all this stuff as a kid. And so now Kim Zolciak's money revealed Housewives star owes more than $1.8 million in taxes and fees. So yeah, she May need to borrow more money as she owes more than $1 million in taxes and other fees. And, you know, like, I wonder how much of that was just like, at nickel machines in the local casinos. Because she was like a big nickel machine person.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, this makes me more mad at Teresa because you know what? I'm sure Kim Zolciak would have loved to have been on WGN talking to Larry about her tax woes. And there, Teresa just hangs up like, oh, no big deal. When there are people like him who are out there actively trying to lose their money, that they could be interviewed by a local radio, TV station like that is shame on Teresa. Shame on the privilege that she showed in that. In that instance, when hardworking people like him. Zolciak, I should say, hard losing. People like Kim Zolciak are doing their best to lose at every nickel, quarter and penny slot there is in between Atlanta and western Mississippi.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, this was. I mean, we all know Kim's broke and she owes a lot of money, so that's not necessarily news. But the reason I clicked on this headline was because it says. Oh, I. It was. Nevermind. I just read it wrong. I thought Kim Zolciak was commenting on it because I really wanted to hear Kim comment on it. That wasn't her money. I made that money. I made all that money with, you know, we made more money than the Kardashians, wherever that went. I don't know. I don't know where that money went with that crazy kid. I thought I wanted to hear what Kim has to say about it. Have you heard Kim respond to any of this?

[Ronnie Karam]

I. No, I haven't. I mean, I don't generally. I mean, I haven't heard her say anything about it. I mean, based on the fact that she's, you know, stealing money from Ariana, I have to say that it sounds like financially things are not going so well for her, but.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I did see this headline. Guess what the headline is. I was reading the wrong headline. Okay, you know what? Sometimes I just copy and paste too many headlines into the thing. Former Real Housewives star hits back at claim she stole her daughter's money. And this is from the Daily Beast. After Next Gen Star Ariana claimed all this. Kim Zolciak, blah, blah, blah, says her estranged husband and former Atlanta Falcons linebacker Croy is the one responsible for the financial woes of the family. Just so we're clear, we're in 2025 and he just got back. He just got a job in March of 2024. Okay. And he works as a crane and rigging coordinator at Superior Rigging and Erecting Company.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I mean, based on the number of kids in that household, I would say there's been a lot of erecting, for sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And with all those wigs, there's been a lot of wigging. He's at Superior Wigging in Superior Wigging and Erecting Company. Yeah. So she's blaming Kroy. I don't know what Croy spent it on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Maybe rigging something.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is scratch offs. This money is all gone to scratch off. So Kim said even with the job, he hadn't paid the bill in this house in years. Not clothes for my children. Not extracurricular, nothing. I've worked my ass off to provide for my family and my children. He stole every piece of jewelry I ever owned in my life prior to him, as well as Brielle's, and sold it all. Every piece I ever owned in my life. Every piece.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. You know, it's so funny because instead of doing that, you know what else she could have done? Gotten a job.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You know, look, I mean, monster mess. It's not like. It's not like Croy gets off scot free with any of this stuff. But yeah, Kim, get a job. I mean, seriously, my God, the man is working as a crane operator. So I'm going to be on his side more than your side. You know, that man's like out there rigging and erecting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, precisely. I think. Like, I don't know. Kim Zolciak, get a job. It's been a long time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's my advice to you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Rig, erect, Rig, rig and erect. Okay, Croy can do it. You can do it too. I like this headline. Bryn Whitfield admits she wanted Bravo to fire her before choosing to exit Rooney. This is too much. Okay, so that's what she wanted. She wanted it all along, guys. All this time, it's what she wanted. So she tells People magazine during an episode of her please see below podcast. I decided at the reunion that I wasn't gonna.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I was like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

Instead, I wanted them to fire me. Like, I just knew I wasn't gonna do it. But I was hoping that they would either fire me or like, I was hoping one day, like, they would cancel the show or something. Or they'd be like, hey, we're done casting. We signed everyone. Sorry, Brand. Thanks. If you hoped that, then why did you decide after the reunion? She's so full of crap. Because it was hard.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm A baby.

[Ben Mandelker]

She was inspired. Paige desorbo's social media post announcing her summer house exit. So she just quit because she really likes Paige, and Paige did it, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

She wanted to follow in the footsteps of a fellow icon, Paige desorbo. Like, please don't elevate yourself to Paige deserve. Like. Like, she did it. And. And I'll be a trailblazer too. You didn't. You were fired. Stop saying that. You quit on your own. You were fired.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, so they made me quit. I just wanted them to break up with me, but they made me quit. Please see below. So she's like, yeah, I saw Paige do it. And I was like, I want that. I was just so happy for her. And I was like, I kind of want that for myself. Yeah, But Paige left because she had all these other prospects.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Yeah. Paige was succeeding massively, and the audience loved her, and she was coasting off of the goodwill of millions of people. That's what prompted that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Did you hear about this? I mean, some of these I think we've already talked about. I think I mentioned in the Valley that Damon Dash owes 20 million in unpaid taxes. God, this is really about everybody just owing money. I guess the point of today's crappy hour is save your money.

[Ronnie Karam]

Save your money.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, save your money. Because now his daughter's getting kicked out, so all those Nepo babies are screwed. And they've been complaining about the reality TV kids coming on and ruining their, like, rep because they're, like, actual New Yorkers who are rich. But, yeah, you guys, it's not holding up, so be nicer to Ariana. It's my other suggestion for that crew. Geez.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Here's a headline that says, this is from Reality Tea. Tamara Judge has an apology for the Valley's Zach Wickham. I didn't even know that they even had a dust up to begin with. But during a recent episode of two T's in a Podcast, basically, Tamara gave major props to how Zach handled himself in the latest episode of the Valley. So why is she. But she goes, I have an apology. I have, like, an apology for Zach batch. Because the first part of the season, I was, like, just not feeling him batch. Good to see Tamara still on the wrong side of history, as usual. But because, by the way, Zach was perfectly good on the first half of this season. And I'm not just saying that because Zach came onto our show, he was, like, good. I don't know what the issue is.

[Ben Mandelker]

So would she say that he sucked on the show?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Yeah, she said that. And then she goes, I like his wig now. But this is also. Should not even be a headline. Like, this is actually bad reporting, because they make it sound like they had a feud. And all this is is that in the beginning of the season, Tamara was like, yeah, I don't know if I feel Zach. And now she's like, yeah, you know what? I like Zach now. I mean, how many times do we do that on our show? Where are our headlines? Reality tv. Why aren't you reporting to the world that we've changed our minds on a reality star?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you get it. You've got to get a post where you got to get a PR person to call. To call them and be like, wow, watch what happens. Said that Bryn didn't really quit. You know, you gotta have. They've got good PR over there, Tamara and Teddy. They always have. Ever since they started that show. It's like, oh, my God. Here's what Teddy Mellencamp thinks about Sutton living on a main road, you know, and it's some article about what they talked about on their podcast. You know, I mean, hey, don't hate the Hustler.

[Ronnie Karam]

Alvi in the comments says, why are you repeating bad reporting? Because we are bad reporters.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why are you repeating bad reporting? Because we're not a news show. We're literally just, like, sitting around here reading over headlines, and that's what they are. Okay? But to get away from bad headlines, here's one that Alvi can stick in her pipe and smoke. The traitorous cast. This is a real. This is real being cast in a real show. Okay, you know what? It's not just Tamara who said it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, this is a good cast. I feel like. Did we really talk? Did we talk about this? Did we save this?

[Ben Mandelker]

We mentioned there were a couple housewives in it, but no, we haven't gone over the full cast of this. So let's go.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why don't we go over it? Why don't we go over it? Shall we?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So well, just. Should we just go in the order that they have them here in this. In this listing here in this article? Shall we do that? Donna Kelsey.

[Ben Mandelker]

Donna Kelsey, who's the mother of NFL stars Travis and Jason. Lady, I'm sick of seeing your children everywhere, and I don't fucking need to see you everywhere either. Get the fuck out of my face and take your children with you. They're both very handsome. I'm sure they're both very talented. They both look smelly and ungroomed. Get them out of my house. Okay. Get them out of my face.

[Ronnie Karam]

I am still pro Kelsey brothers. Like they haven't. I. This is strange. They haven't bothered me me, like, I'm not burnt out. I'm not like the Kelsey brothers. I'm not mad that their podcast is like so huge despite, like them only just starting in like a second ago. I, I like them. I like their podcast, I like Donna. So I'm, I'm, I'm surprised that I haven't had a contrarian response to them yet. But I'm sure it will come.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know her and I don't know them. I don't know sports. I don't understand them. I feel very offended by sports being put in my face. You know, just like you don't want my balls put in your face. I don't want your balls put in my face. I did not ask for. And I feel like that should be relegated to Sundays with chips and whatever straight people do while they watch that. Sorry, not saying gay people don't watch it, but that's how it is from my childhood. And so I want you to go do that somewhere over there. I don't want this in my gay life. And I feel like Taylor Swift, you know, like I'm not a big swiftie, but like I'm gay. So I feel like she's one of my presidents and that's just how I'm gonna support her. And now I have to deal with straight, straight things all the time, like football. I don't want to hear about, I don't know who your big old fish, you know, hairy backed people are in your life. Just stay away. Yeah, Leave me alone.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel you. Do you think that they're going to make her a traitor or not? Because, you know, it might be fun to have like the older woman of the, of the group be a traitor. Or do you think they're going to make her in a faithful? So that way if people accuse her being a traitor, it's that much more shocking.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let me tell you one thing I've noticed from the traders because I've watched a bunch of the UK seasons because I needed my trader fix. So I think I watched two or three of those seasons. How many did we watch?

[Ronnie Karam]

We watched. We watched. We watched seasons two and three together.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, two and three.

[Ronnie Karam]

Quietly. We didn't really broadcast it very much, but we watched it quietly with each other on tour and then talked about it. Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So as we watched that one, I noticed that Whenever they put an older person in there, the younger people always get rid of them. Because I feel like young people just don't trust old people. That's just how it is. And it could be. It doesn't even mean they have to be legit young. They could be 20, you could be 30. They're going to trust you. You could be 40, they could be 30. They're going to trust you. You know, so, like, look, if people don't agree with us, look what they say. They're like stupid boomers. You know, first of all, we're not boomers. And second of all, how dare you? You're, like, 35, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I think that that's just natural. So I don't think it's wise to put the older person as the traitor, because younger people will just kick them off because they naturally don't trust them. It's like they blame. You know, we blame the older gener.

[Ronnie Karam]

That'S gone wrong, as we should, because they did it. They did something first, so we have to deal with it. You know, it's like, yeah, but they.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also gave us the iPhone. You know what I mean? They gave us cable. They gave us, you know, People magazine, like, it just going back through history. People did horrible things, but they also gave you good things.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, listen, if I'm. If I'm driving on the highway and the person in front of me throws an iPhone out their window and hits my windshield, I could be like, yeah, I have an iPhone now, but I've also driven off the road.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, but you can call somebody about it, because you've got an iPhone now that they just hit your car with.

[Ronnie Karam]

Guess what? You're about to piss off Alvy again, because Alvy says ageism is alive and well. Actually, I don't know. Actually, Alvy may be agreeing with us. Maybe not pissed off. Alvi's. Alvy's a real firebrand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I like Alvy. Leave Alvy alone. Stop torturing me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Maybe Alvy's an older person, and I'm just, like, automatically falling into the trap. So here. Who else is on? So Donna is on it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It.

[Ronnie Karam]

From the world of Bravo, we have Portia Williams, who I think is gonna be great. I think Portia is going to think. I think she's going to sort of have the Grishell role. I think she's going to accuse lots of people. Or maybe the Dolores role of just, like, totally getting it wrong but being likable in that space. Caroline Stanbury, which I think is going to be great. I think I want Caroline Stanberry to be. To have some real good time at the. At the table because I just want her to be very cutting and to chop some people down.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can see Caroline doing well because she's going to stay mostly quiet at first because, you know, Caroline Stanberry doesn't really like other people. It takes her a long time to start talking, so she'll stay out of the fray and let the bigger characters go at it. Candace Dillard from Potomac. Candace Dillard Bassett. That's an interesting one. I'm not sure what her personality is like these days. It's been a while since we've seen her on the tv, but. But she does that pageant girl thing, which I think is off putting for a lot of people at first.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, she'll cry a lot, by the way. I just want to say Alvy was agreeing with us, so looks like one big happy family. But Candace is gonna. That crying girl is gonna get a lot of views on the traders that it'll just. They're just gonna have a big, permanent supply of crying girls just sitting there in the middle of the table that she will just be reaching for because she is gonna. She's gonna cry at the table. She's gonna cry after the table. She's gonna cry for being accused. She's gonna cry when she accuses. She's gon challenge. She's gonna knock. I mean, she will be a shoe. She'll. I'm excited for all the people who have no experience with Candace Dillard to see what she's all about because they're gonna be.

[Ben Mandelker]

What's not the crying I'm excited for is the reading for filth and dragging people to the depths of hell even when she doesn't have to. You know, it's like going way too low in a fight when she doesn't really need to. That's what I like, and I hope it's against Donna Kelsey.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why do I feel like she's not gonna do that? I feel like she won't read for filth. I feel like she's gonna be.

[Ben Mandelker]

Be.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel like she's gonna be dead set on rebranding herself. And I think that she still wants to make her pop career happen or her R B career happen. And so she is going to present herself as a singer and likable to America. And so I think she's gonna just try to be like an America sweetheart. I think she will go back to pageant mode. But if she can read someone, that would be Great. Although she and Portia had friction on Ultimate Girls Trip, so that might be an issue. She may not be able to. If she does try to do what I'm suspecting she may try. Her friction with Portia may drag her back into Real Housewives mode.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so then we have Lisa Rinna. I'm excited to see Lisa Rinna on this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

It'll be great.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like her last couple of years of Beverly Hills, she just got too much into the toxic fray and got into the housewives thing of, like, teaming up to try and bring people down, and it ruined her. I mean, I think Lisa Rinna was great when she was just light, messy, you know, and she thought it was all stupid, and she can't even believe she's doing this ridiculous thing. And that's kind of when she was good. And it's when she started taking it too seriously that she went wackadoo. Now I think she still does take it too seriously, so I think she's gonna be more wackadoo than ever. Cause now she's, like, that model. She's, like, reinvented herself as, like, a model again. And, like, as a model momager, but also, like, a model herself. She's like, look at me. I have crazy gray hair today and, like, insane clown makeup and. Or, like, zombie clown makeup or whatever she's doing over there. But I'm interested to see this iteration of Lisa Rinna.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think Lisa is going to have some. Some decent reads. I think she will be good. She has a lot of experience on celeb reality shows and competitions. I think she will confront people in a way that'll be good. I think she will have some. She won't be afraid to speak up at the round table. I'm hoping that we sort of. Of get in touch with the Lisa Rinna who came onto Beverly Hills like you said, versus the one who left it. But I think that she plays the game. I think she's eager, you know, to sort of get back in front of those cameras, in front of the Bravo audience and, like, prove herself again. And so I think that she will be a really strong addition.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And then they're giving another chance to miss Dorinda Medley.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank goodness. Commercials.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here comes one right now. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you think they will protect her in some way? Do you think they will make her a traitor? Do you think they will give her some sort of, like, ring of protection that she can't be vot. Like, they'll have something that she comes in and she can't be voted off first or something like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. But I think she's going to be voted off first. I don't think they'll protect her because I think they. I think these people are evil and they will think it's hilarious if Dorinda's voted off first. Again, I don't think they will.

[Ronnie Karam]

I. I think Rinna and. And Dorinda will clash for some reason. I don't know why. I feel like Rinna is gonna be like, hello, Dorinda. Oh, yeah, you think you're friends with me? You're not friends with me. Well, I was just saying hello to you. Okay, well, you know what? Why don't you say hello to your ass? Because that's the only thing I'm looking at right now. A big fucking ass right in front of me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think that Rinna's gonna do something problematic. That's gonna. That's my prediction. I think Rinna is gonna be around people who are not Real Housewives people is going to get her into some problematic trouble. That's what I think. Wow. That's my rando prediction. That's big for this now. I don't know, but, you know, we've got a couple gamers, too. We've got Ian Terry from big brother season 14.

[Ronnie Karam]

He was kind of a fun choice. Yeah, he's like a permanent little boy kind of guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, Tiffany Mitchell, who was part of the cookout season and she was like a fan favorite. Tiffany was really. Was really strong. We really liked her. I haven't seen her on the challenge since then, so I don't know if she's still beloved or not, but she's there. Rob Cestronino, you know, he's great. I'm. I'm excited for him. I think that they, like, he wanted to be on Survivor 50 and he wasn't chosen. So I love that he's actually getting to be on Traders instead. Natalie Anderson. So Natalie was on the Amazing Race and then she wound up being on Survivor and, you know, know, I like Natalie. I think she's a good choice as well. And Yam Yam Yamile. Yam Yam Arocho. Yam Yam Yam Yam is the one who beat Caroline. Carolyn last year on Survivor. Yam Yam and Carolyn were. Were allies. And Yam Yum was pretty. He was. He was cool. I liked Yam Yam even though I wanted Carolyn to win that season. So this is a nice selection of Survivor Big Brother. People, it's not that awful selection that they had last year. Like, I really did not like the big brother and survivor people last year that they drafted in.

[Ben Mandelker]

I liked. Well, it was Carolyn last year, so I loved her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, obviously the year before and I loved her. Or the two years ago, so. Because this is four. Right. So Siri was on there. I really liked her. So I don't know any of the Survivor people, so I. I kind of like them because they're all new to me. Like, I liked Rob last year. I liked him.

[Ronnie Karam]

He was good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I mean, I think they bring.

[Ronnie Karam]

He was good. I'm just saying, like, it. They just have brought on a whole bunch of bros and it was kind of like. Like Rob. And that's true. They know that. It's just like. Yeah, it was like. So then we also have. I love this. This is great. Rob from Love island usa. He of the snakes and the overalls and the hiding in the swimming pool. He is going to be on. I think he will be hilarious. I think he's going to be one of those people that will have, like, a shockingly good read, but, like, he won't be able to convince people or back it up and he'll probably get murdered because he calls out some of the traitors. And. And then we also have Maura Higgins, who I don't think you've had a huge amount of exposure to her except on seeing after sun last year. But Maura on the orig on her season of Love island was fantastic. She's got this amazing strident and strong Irish accent, and she goes hot and cold very quickly. And when she goes hot, oh, my God, she's just great. And so I'm really hoping that. That Mora is still there and not like the media trained after sun host mor.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, other stars complete peting. You know that. I love this next one. And this is a problematic take, too, because when he won the Bachelor, he became crazy and, like, started stalking the girl that he was with. And, like, I think he put a tracker in his car. Like, he went nuts and then he came out of the closet. So then it turned out he was a gay stalker stalking this girl. I mean, it was crazy. But I still stand by the picture I had when I used to recap the Bachelor over at Rose Princess Tricks. And it was this guy's season, and I cut myself into every single Bachelor ET and put it. Put my head on top of theirs so I could be vying to marry Colton Underwood. Okay. Love me some Colton Underwood. He's so dumb. And he's like, I don't know. He's like, I have my charity. It's for, like, people who like leather jackets and are too young to buy them in football. Like, it's something so weird. Like, he was like, motorcycle weird, flimsy motorcycle jackets and odd hair and, like, a little lisp. I just love little Colton Underwood.

[Ronnie Karam]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

What a little. What a little angel. I can't wait to see what happens to Colton. He'll be out first.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I feel like he'll be kind of boring on it. Like, he might be in that. Like. Like what? Pilot Pete Roll like that semi. Dylan Efron, like, Dylan Nephron was like, I think we all liked him, but there was something about him kind of boring. Like, I feel like we all like Dylan Efron, but we all were simultaneously rooting for him not to win. I don't know. Or maybe that was just me.

[Ben Mandelker]

We like Dylan Efron. It's just, you know, it's like when the obvious good guy. It's like, I'm the best good guy there ever is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's kind of a new. You know what I mean? I've got a lot, like, Merciless the Sea Witch in me, as we all know. And it's just the good guy just being so earnest and just. I'm just such a good guy. And everyone's like, oh, my God, he's the best guy you can possibly be traded. And then I just want them to, you know, I want them. I want the. I want the Sea Witch to win. I want Ursula to win, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And also that he, like, just did whatever Rob told him to do. And I really hated that he, like, sent. He, like, turned against my favorites, and he's like, yeah, he's, like, the good guy. And he's, like, such the good guy. And then you look at his social media, and he's got, like. He's, like, gorgeous. He's got this gorgeous body, and he's always shirtless doing, like, good guy kind of things, like playing with golden retrievers and, like, going to Disneyland with his, like, brother who somehow is 4 years old or, like, doing something nice. And he just lives, like, this charmed, golden, perfect life. And I'm like, fuck you, you know? Yeah, yeah, he's great, but I want to be his friend.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, like, he's also, like, her response. Like, he's adorable, and so, you know, you want to see him fail.

[Ronnie Karam]

He was way better than Pilot Pete. Like, at least, like, Dylan Efron is, like, aspirational and, like, I would actually feel like I would enjoy being in his presence except for the, like, the no bathing thing. But, like, Pilot Pete was actually, like, insufferable and annoying.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, Pilot Pete's the worst. Yeah, and he was on his season too. He's terrible. But Dylan, what was I gonna say about Dylan? He's in his defense, in his season, when we started not liking Dylan, he didn't even do anything wrong. We just didn't like that he wasn't letting the person we wanted to win win because, like, we really like Brittany. And so he wasn't just handing the game to Brittany. And we're like, how dare you, you sexist.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we were like. We're like, brittany has really good points. You're not listening to them. Fuck you for being absolutely cool, correct in your statements and not just handing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Her the whole game. So I think he played a really good game and I feel like we were unfair to him. But anyway, he's not on this. Why are we talking about.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, he's not. By the way, the Traders is. So I'll say that the Traders is so funny because, like, you get so angry at the faithful for not being able to figure out the Traders. Like, oh, my God, you guys are all idiots. Why don't you figure out who the traitor is? And the moment they find out the trader, like, fuck you. We liked our Traders. Why would you do that to us?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we're like, leave the traitors alone. They're just trying to murder everybody. Can't eventually get a lunch break.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it's because when the faithful miss, they always take out someone we really like. And I'm like, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's true. That show fucks with your head on who to root for, you know? Okay, so we've also got Top Chef host Kristen Kish. Not sure I'm interested to see what her real. Her off hosting personality is like. She seems pretty cool on Top Chef Chef. Yeah, so we'll see. I'm down.

[Ronnie Karam]

It just. I. I think I mentioned this maybe on our Top Chef recap. Like, it's a weird choice for me and this has nothing to do with, like, who Kristen Kish is. It's just a weird choice because Top Chef seems to be a reality show that is like higher end and a little fancier and like above typical reality show shenanigans. And in fact, the one one time that they started to like, go into that space when they like, shaved Marcel's hair and all Those people got kicked off because, like, we're not about that. That. So it seems sort of odd to me that the host of a show, like, it'd be one thing if it was like, a Chef Testant who then comes here. They're like, okay, they're on the reality circuit. Like Richard Blaze. Sacrifice the soul to that ages ago with all that. But, like, the host of Top Chef going on to the Traders just feels strange to me. But my theory is that this is this way NBCU can promote the upcoming season of Top Chef by having Kristen on the show. And then traitors begets. Like, that comes off the schedule. Top Chef comes on. That's like, my only way I can imagine why she was cast on this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I predict that that is the most conversation we're going to have about Kristen, because I just don't. I don't see her bringing much to.

[Ronnie Karam]

My conversation in the thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, you know, I'm rooting for her. I like her. So then let's go through these real quick.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love you, but I'm going to vote for you, Dorinda. Everything's going to be her saying that, saying she loves someone, and then choking up and voting someone.

[Ben Mandelker]

You guys, I had to do this last week, and it was really difficult. So as someone who's been here at this roundtable before, let me tell you, I understand where you guys are coming from, okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

As someone who's eaten at a roundtable before, earn this, okay? Savor this moment.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm gonna go through these last ones real quick until we get to the worst of the bunch, just because we need to get out of here so we can talk to listeners and stuff. Stuff. But Eric Nam from. He's a singer, songwriter. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

No idea who he is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, me neither. But that. That means nothing, by the way. I'm a boomer. Don't forget Dancing with the Stars. Mark Ballas, Drag Race alum Monae, which should be.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's a big one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's huge. Comedian Roy Funches from. And then Laguna Beach. The real Orange county alum, Stephen Coletti. That's a weird one, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a weird watch. The real Orange Funches is Ron. Ron Funches is weird, too, I think.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we get real weird here at the end. And then Olympic figure skaters Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I kind of love that duo on this show because they're like, you know, they're like. They host together, and they're like besties on NBC. So that's like, that's a fun duo and they're, like, very funny together.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Johnny Weir is going to be a crazy one to have on here. Okay? So the biggest controversy, I think, is actor Michael Rappaport. People are gonna go go crazy with. He's gonna be the most obnoxious person to ever be on this show. And that's saying something.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's just. He's too much. He's too much. He's gonna be very on and he's gonna be. Oh, God, I will. I will be so mad if he's. If he. If he has, like, a good edit and then we all wind up liking him. If we all start being like, I can't believe I like Michael Rappaport. But I think that he's no so annoying on it.

[Ben Mandelker]

That guy's gonna be so annoying. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, it could be worse. It could be Jerry o' Connor. That's what I say.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I predict the person that Candace will read to Filth, because I think that Candace, reputation be damned, she knows that music is not going to sell very well. She's going to come back on here and try and re. Cement her reputation as a really good reader and housewife so she can get back on that show. And I think she's. Or a show like that. And I think she is going to read Michael Rappaport for Filth. Okay? I think she's going to open his big stupid mouth. Mouth and she's going to just let him fucking have it. And I can't wait.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think she will. And I think it will be great because I'm. I. I feel like he thinks he had. He has, like, he. Because he's in an interracial relationship, I think. And I believe. I remember when he had that famous scene with Kenya Moore on Watch Happens Live. I definitely got the sense that he thinks that he has, like, a car. Like, he. He can like, play the black card. And he's like a white guy. And I'm like, I don't think so. When he was calling her feet ashy, I, like, was like, yeah, no, you don't get.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't make.

[Ronnie Karam]

To make the in jokes. The cultural in jokes like that as a white guy, just because you're married to a black woman. Sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I will give him credit for having this talent. He made me excited to see Candace back on TV again because I wasn't. I'm not a hater, but I'm not, like, a huge fan. I wasn't like, oh, my God, Candace. But now that I know that she's got Michael Rapaport to yell at. I'm like, yes, Candace. I'm going to get T shirts made with Candace's face on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but, you know, but you know, like reality TV gods are cruel and they're going to have like an unlikely, likely friendship and they will like look out for each other and it'll be like really frustrating, you know, like that's what's gonna happen. I think if I had to look that, I think if I looked at this group, I see Natalie from Survivor going very far. I'm just gonna predict that. I think that she can like lay low and play. Like she's just like a nice, nice person. I think that like she was a very power. She was a very strong survivor player. But I don't think that people always think of her as a strong survivor player the way they do of like Boston Rob and someone like that. That. And I think that she can just be like very like girly and friendly with everyone but like she, but she will sort of, I think go under the radar. I think she could be a very, very effective trader.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think my vote for one of the top people is going to be Kristen. I think Kristen has a, is, has a really good chance. She's very smart. She can get along with anybody. She's going to be quiet enough that she's non threatening in the beginning and she's going to. Everyone's going to see her as a non threat until the very end and they're going to. I think Kristen has a really good chance. But let's see everybody. This is the ending of our talking portion of this, our audio portion. We are going to talk to you guys now via video chat. So anybody who is with us on YouTube, live, joint, streamyard, whatever, Patreon, you will get a link in your comments right now and you can come on and we'd love to talk to you. Everybody else, we'll see you in another couple of weeks for crappy hour. We'll talk to you next time. Bye.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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