#2906 RHOA S16E17: The GodPhae-ther

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens - Episode #2906 RHOA S16E17: The GodPhae-ther

Release Date: June 30, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode #2906 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the season finale of The Real Housewives of Atlanta (RHOA) Season 16, Episode 17, aptly titled "The GodPhae-ther." This episode unpacks the myriad of dramatic events, character developments, and confrontations that defined the season's conclusion.

Overview of the Season Finale

The season finale brings multiple storylines to a head, focusing primarily on the tragic passing of Londi, the emotional turmoil of key housewives, and the explosive accusations that threaten to dismantle longstanding relationships.

Notable Quote:

Ronnie Karam [07:28]: "So we're gonna tie up a whole bunch of loose ends."

Key Storylines and Character Developments

1. Londi's Passing and Its Aftermath

   The episode opens with Portia and Lauren grappling with the recent death of Londi. The emotional weight of losing a cousin sets a somber tone, highlighting the close-knit relationships among the cast.

   Notable Quote:

   Ben Mandelker [07:55]: "But Phaedra takes such pleasure in it. She's like, I'm so sad that Londi's not living, but I'm so glad that she's passed."

2. Angela's Therapy Sessions and Marital Struggles

   Angela seeks guidance from her therapist, Dr. Wendy, revealing underlying issues in her marriage to Charles Oakley. The sessions expose Angela's struggle with trusting Charles, especially after rumors of his infidelity surface.

   Notable Quote:

   Ben Mandelker [11:38]: "Any one of those things would attract women. And I just love that her list doesn't include kind. Treats me well."

3. Shamia's Musical Showcase and Performance Flaws

   Shamia attempts to launch her music career with a grand showcase. Despite her initial nerves leading to missed notes and multiple outfit changes, she regains composure and delivers a commendable performance, albeit not flawless.

   Notable Quote:

   Ronnie Karam [23:08]: "Shamia's single 'Never Had Was' released in March 2025. She hopes that listeners don't talk over it this time."

4. Kelly Dodd's Restaurant Endeavors and Marital Breakdown

   Kelly faces challenges with her restaurant venture, balancing her professional ambitions with her turbulent marriage. Her decision to delay opening the restaurant until finalizing her divorce highlights the personal sacrifices intertwined with her career goals.

   Notable Quote:

   Ben Mandelker [35:28]: "She is still not divorced, doesn't want to open up the restaurant until she's divorced."

5. Brittany's Ambitions and Family Dynamics

   Brittany navigates her aspirations by planning to open a new insurance agency and launching her shapewear line, despite ongoing family disputes and accusations regarding her personal life.

   Notable Quote:

   Ben Mandelker [67:32]: "She came out with shapewear, and she put up like a before and after, but they were the exact same picture."

6. Phaedra Parks' Confrontations and Accusations

   Phaedra becomes the focal point of tension as she faces accusations of orchestrating infidelity within the group. Her confrontational stance against Marcus and subsequent fallout with fellow housewives underscores the season's dramatic climax.

   Notable Quote:

   Phaedra Parks [56:26]: "I traveled from Harlem to Hollywood, but now it's all coming undone."

Dramatic Confrontations and Resolutions

The finale is punctuated by intense confrontations, particularly involving Angela and Phaedra. Angela's insistence on addressing the alleged infidelity leads to a heated exchange, culminating in public accusations and strained alliances.

Notable Quote:

Ben Mandelker [54:08]: "So Angela's like, this is your character. Her initial response to all this was, that's bullshit. I don't believe that."

Hosts' Insights and Reactions

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie provide candid commentary, highlighting the absurdities and emotional weight of the season's events. Their humorous takes and critical observations offer listeners an engaging perspective on the unfolding drama.

Notable Quote:

Ronnie Karam [19:53]: "This was so good. And Portia’s like, why would I have a beef with you. And Angela goes, maybe because I have a ring."

Conclusion and Season Reflections

As the season wraps up, the hosts reflect on the unresolved tensions and the potential for future conflicts in upcoming reunion episodes. The finale leaves viewers anticipating the next chapter in RHOA Atlanta's tumultuous journey.

Notable Quote:

Ben Mandelker [73:26]: "Now it's season finale, and we're getting some of the craziest drama.)

Final Thoughts

Watch What Crappens Episode #2906 offers a comprehensive and entertaining breakdown of RHOA Season 16's finale. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam adeptly navigate the show's complex relationships and high-stakes drama, providing listeners with insightful and humorous commentary.

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hello and welcome to watch what crappens. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben over there. Hello, Ben.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

[Ben Mandelker]

So good. How are you doing today, buddy?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm great. Back in my childhood bedroom. Made a quick whirlwind trip to New York to honor my mom on her retirement. She had a retirement party. But now I'm here in my childhood bedroom and conveniently, I don't know why my dad did this, but he pulled out all some Nyx memorabilia that I had. And so, in honor of Charles Oakley the Oak. Look, here's a Knicks shirt I used to have. See, you can see it on camera. This is a crap It's On Demand exclusive as me holding up a Nick shirt just to prove that I used to really love the Knicks. I mean, I still love the Knicks, but I used to be really into the Knicks when I was a kid.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, love better. I believed you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Unlike the Internet, it was like Ben's a liar. Ben never liked the Knicks.

[Phaedra Parks]

He never liked Charles Oakley. He never did.

[Ronnie Karam]

He liked arts and crafts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Well, everybody, welcome to Real Housewives of Atlanta. Season finale date. Don't worry, there's a three episode reunion coming up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is it really three episodes? They don't have three episodes of content.

[Ben Mandelker]

They announced on the end at this three part reunion. What bullshit are you gonna try and fill my life with on these last three episodes? You're testing me show. You're testing me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, two episodes, fair, but three, I mean, look, and I like the season, but you're missing. You're. You don't even have Brit Edie there, thankfully. I'd like to add, I'm okay with not having Britt Edie there, but that's also some content. Like what do you guys. How do you get three episodes out of this thing?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but that's what they're gonna do. Meanwhile, go catch our Love island recaps over on Patrion. We just did a nice long hour long one. I think we're doing those Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Next week will be a little different. We're still going to do a couple of days, but it will be later in the week due to the holiday. Okay. Yeah, that's it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Taking a few days off. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a holiday. It's a holy holiday.

[Ronnie Karam]

Independence Day. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. So that's for everything coming up. Thanks for everybody's support on Patreon. We love doing those recaps. Also this week we are adding in McBee dynasty to the lineup, at least for a week to See, to see how that goes. What a trashy show that is. I loved it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

That show is garbage. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, it is garbage. I. Yeah, but it comes out. I thought it premiered last night, but it premieres tonight. But we both have watched it, and we both will probably have a lot of things to say. Look, as long as we can, if we find the way into the comedy, then that's all that matters to me. It could be a big pile of poop, as much as it wants to be, but as long as it's funny for us to do, that's all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah. Oh. I mean garbage in a good way. I watched the whole first season leading up to this, and I figure if I can watch 10 hours of Love Island a week, I can watch 10 hours of McBee Dynasty for a week. And it is of Hate Farm. Of what?

[Ronnie Karam]

Instead of Love Island Hate Farm.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because they hate each other.

[Ben Mandelker]

I loved it. I mean, it's just. It's garbage. And it's my favorite kind of garbage. And the women on it are so fucking funny. They've got Galena, the Russian money launderer. It's like going. That's going Absolutely fucking us. It's so good. So watch it. If you haven't. We'll be back. We'll be here for at least one recap this week. And then also, Real House Housewives of Orange county returns in, like, 10 days. 11 days.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Next something next Thursday.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I heard that. It's. I heard it's a crazy one. I heard it's a crazy, crazy season. Looking forward to it. And also, by the way, I just want to say something. I want. This is a public service announcement, everyone. This week, you have one job and one job only, and that's to watch Real Housewives of Miami because I don't like hearing stories that its ratings are low. I don't like hearing that because it is one of the best housewives on. On. Well, it is the best housewives that's currently airing for sure, and is one of the best that's in the quiver. So, everyone, if you don't watch Miami, do yourself a favor. I'm not asking, like, you're not doing the show a favor. You're doing yourself a favor by watching Miami because it is so good.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you should stop hurting yourself by sitting out yourself. Okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Don't sit out. Get in there. Get in the game now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do they have people throwing themselves their own Beyonce concert with, you know, they're married Bunny? I don't know. No, probably not. But it's still worth it. Okay, so let's get back to this one. Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 16 Episode 17 Game over.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we're gonna tie up a whole bunch of loose ends. So pretty much the first half of this episode is, like, lots of little vignettes of what's going on in people's lives. So we start off with Portia and Lauren, who are. They're. You know, they cousin Londi just died last week on the. On the show. And so they are obviously very emotional. So we're seeing them. They're sort of gathering and be gathering people to remember her, etc, so they.

[Ben Mandelker]

Go to Fedra, you know, because that's where you go. And as Phaedra says, she's like, well, Porsche and her family have asked me to assist with the home going for Loni, because everyone knows I'm definitely the chairman of the Usher. Bored for heaven. I love that Phaedra just takes such pleasure in it. She's like, I'm so sad that Londie's not living, but I'm so glad that she's passed. Let's talk turkey. What kind of casket would you like? 20, 30, 40,000. Come on. Is for Londy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So they are all sort of talking and remembering Lonzi and everything. It turns out that, like, Loni, she passed away while she was on the phone with Lauren, which is. That's. I feel bad for Lauren. That's gotta be a lot that she carries with her about that, you know, that's just so traumatic. But they're just remembering Londie, and it's, like, sad, but it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they're gonna have a memorial and stuff. And then Portia's like, I thought this.

[Kelly Dodd]

Was gonna be my year. I guess it wasn't, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Cause she got divorced. And then all this stuff had happened, and then Londi happened. But now they're talking about a mango dish, so that's good. So then we go.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just go through. Life goes on. Oh, the next scene, like, I can't.

[Kelly Dodd]

Believe this wasn't my year.

[Ben Mandelker]

And this happened.

[Kelly Dodd]

This happened.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Londy, by the way, what's this mango dish?

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we go to Angela, and she meets up with her therapist, Dr. Wendy. And I have to say, it's about time we finally saw a real therapist on one of these shows. Because we see all these people who are so excited to be on tv. They're very slick. They're very TV ready with their catchphrases and everything. They have their hair blown out. Dr. Wendy, I was like, this is a therapist. She has all these, like, trinkets all throughout. She's like dream catchers in her office. Long gray hair, this very, like, empathetic face, you know? You know, she, like, listens to, like, Yanni and does, like, weird tantric sex on the side. I was like, this. This is a therapist.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think she has the face of somebody who is about to have to drive for half an hour, and they're looking on Google Maps and seeing that it's like an hour and 15. That's her face. She's like, one eye is kind of closed and the other is open. She's like, what the fuck? That's her face.

[Kelly Dodd]

I go, what the fuck are you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Saying to me right now, Angela? All right.

[Kelly Dodd]

Did you want that?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's got this. She's got an honest face. Because I feel like in therapy, you know, therapists are supposed to maintain, like, a. A blank face. Like, I'm not judging you. I'm not reacting. I've heard it all, you know? But not her.

[Kelly Dodd]

She's like, what the hell?

[Ben Mandelker]

Come on, Angela. And I like that. That. That look of confusion on a therapist's face.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I feel like she was like an elderly Jean Tripplehorn. So I appreciate that as well. And I think that I also just think it's funny because, like, she's just this, like, this hippie lady. And I just think it's so funny that, like, she sees Charles Oakley and that she's been seeing Charles Oakley for years. Like, you would think this would be the sort of lady that Charles Oakley would be like, I'm not talking to this crazy lady, but, like, no, she's been seeing Charles and Angela for, like, eight years now or something like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So not some fake relationship, which I like. So Angela's like, you know, we go to Wendy for all these years because I need advice on how to deal with my husband and all that comes with him because, you know, he's handsome, he's famous, he has money, he's successful. Any one of those things would attract women. And I just love that her list doesn't include kind. Treats me well. You know, he's like, the perfect husband who wouldn't be jealous. She's just like, he's rich and famous, okay? And so I need to learn how to deal with that.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Dr. Wendy's like, so tell me what's happening beyond bongo lessons. That's me, actually. You may notice there's a bongo in the Background. Okay. I'm just taking. Learning some beats. Tell me, Angela, what's going on?

[Phaedra Parks]

Well, I mean, you know, I have all my money in these houses, and, you know, I'm about to ditch all of them.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, you're gonna ditch them emotionally or physically?

[Phaedra Parks]

She's like, physically? Yeah. Financially? All the above. I can't. I can't really. I can't have any of them.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, wow, wow, that's too much. Would you like to. Would you like to play the bongo? That might help you.

[Phaedra Parks]

No, thanks. It's just. Just don't distress these houses.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cut your dream. Cut your dream. All right, let me look at your. God damn it. Your dream's depressing. Well, I'm not gonna go to sleep anytime soon. All right, let's work on this. Real estate. Real estate. So what are we gonna do with this? And she's like, I'm fucked. I'm taking money from Charles. And he's over it, you know? And she's like, and I trust Charles. And it took me a long time to trust Charles, you know? And she goes, well, yeah, because you shouldn't have trusted Charles. Well, I know he deserved it, but, you know, now. Now I've talked myself into trusting Charles again, really, for no reason. And I should have listened when he told me it was a bad idea.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, you know, the other.

[Phaedra Parks]

Day Charles and I went. We went to a cooking event, and while Charles was cooking, a gentleman walked up to me and said, I want to tell you something about your husband. And then he said, this is also my Instagram account and here's my Twitter account. And then he started doing a dance for the cameras and fun. Until the producer said, okay, you're doing too much. We didn't pay for all this stuff. So then he says, hey, here's a toast to Angela, whose husband's cheating on her. And afterwards, I was like, I told Charles what happened, and he's like, oh, whatever they're saying is a lie. Someone put him there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. You know how much I love you, right? That's never going to change. But right now, you doing this scene, all I see is Austin from Love island in therapy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, sorry. I, like, my. My. My Angela voice is in a weird place today.

[Ben Mandelker]

Austin from. You're like, you know what? It's been really difficult. We were just trying to make waffles.

[Phaedra Parks]

Just trying to make waffles at Williams Sonoma.

[Ronnie Karam]

And. Oh, my God. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, so basically, Charles was like, okay, well, I'm not even Going to talk about this. You trust me, right? And so, Wendy, I think Wendy handles this one pretty good. She goes, wow. So what's your theory? Because basically Charles has cheated multiple times from what we're getting from this therapy, right? Is that Angela didn't trust Charles for a reason because Charles was always cheating on her. And so now she's finally talked herself into trusting Charles again, but now someone's making public accusations of cheating. And Dr. Wendy's just like, okay, dumb, dumb, what's your theory? Why is this guy randomly coming up? And she says, well, my theory is that Charles and I have been through a lot. That's not a theory. Okay, first of all. So she goes, but I trust him now. And so she's, you know, she doesn't want anyone to think that Charles is an easy target, so she's gonna stand up for him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And so Dr. Wendy's like, I mean, you know, he said he wakes up at night, haven't been targeted. I mean, I'm gonna get. He says, I'm gonna get attacked, right? I'm gonna get attacked. And she's like, well, Wendy, now I'm doing awesome voice. I can't get out of it.

[Phaedra Parks]

Wendy. No, Wendy, I don't want to go there.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, I know, I know this is a confused place for you, honey. I know that. But, you know, just. Just speak it to the bongo.

[Phaedra Parks]

Well, after Kelly's event, Charles and I, we were both confused as to why approach me and lose all the properties. And I'm clinging on to my family, and they've been my support, and why would someone who would send someone to hurt me and potentially destroy my marriage?

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, well, you have to address it, right? And she goes, but I've just got so much going on with real estate. She goes, yeah, but you have to address this. Like, therapy isn't for real estate, okay? It's for your relationship. So she says that she's tired of her relationship being a target. And she's like, okay, but you also need to do it because you want to make a statement about you, you know? So what's the statement you want to make? And she goes, my statement is, leave me the fuck alone. So what will her statement be? I don't know, but I hope we can have a gala to deliver it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. Speaking of gala events, let's go see a musical gala. As in Shamia throwing a concert for herself. The most exciting thing you could ever imagine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So she says she's doing a Showcase. I mean, I don't know. I've been to a lot of showcases living in Los Angeles, and they're usually in, like, some little black box theater. And, you know, you get up there and you play a few songs and then you serve some two Buck Chuck from the Trader Joe's. I've never seen anything like this. This was a lot. I mean, basically, to me, this was showcasing that you married an extremely rich person who's giving you money to do whatever the fuck you want. And I think in this kind of situation, that doesn't matter. Like, you want to. You want to show that you're talented. You know what I mean? Get up there and sing a song. Shamia. You don't need 20 fucking outfits and $20 million to do it. It makes it look worse.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just like, I feel like she's trying to do, like, the pop star thing, but, like. So she's doing all the. All the outfit changes and everything. But I'm like. I still feel like she's. It's still like, going from, like, one matronly look to another matronly look. And I just feel like if you're trying to do pop, I'm sorry, the pop is the most ageist genre of all. And, like, at least try. At least try not to look so matronly. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe. Maybe she's not matronly. Maybe, like, my matronly jar is off, but I'm just like. I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like matronly for a pop star because you are a certain age, and there is ageism, and I think that the age. The age of stuff is real. And I think that there's no competing with that. You know, like when you're young and you're like. You know, like when you're a Sabrina Carpenter and you're, like, rolling around on the ground or whatever, you can't sing like this. And everyone's like, that's great. But when you get older to stay. To stay in the business, you have to actually kind of sing. You know what I mean? So I think she should just pick up the mantle from that place and be like this and still look great, still look fabulous. I'm not saying, like, come out in the bathrobe, but she should concentrate more on the singing and less of the, like, trying to do 20 outfit change because she's missing notes all over the place. So you need to stand there and just concentrate and singing notes.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it's that she's like, Trying to do, like, all these edgy looks, but she still has this kind of like, you know, aunt Shamia's come over for lunch kind of hair, you know, like, that's like. Sure. Like, her little bob is like. I don't know. I just feel like there's a. There's a. There's a disconnect between, like, how she's like, like how she styles herself and then also like the clothing and she's wearing. I don't know, but I'm like, this is just not working for me. I'm sorry. Just in terms of, like, what she's trying to achieve. So she comes out and she's. She's gonna do this whole thing. And it's also kind of sad because you can see there's like, not a lot of people there. Like, it's like blata. Like, like just massive amounts of empty seats in the background. You can see that they moved the audience, like, over in the theater to fill up the seats. That way it looked more full for the camera. They have to do tight shots on everyone. And I was like, oh, like, I want. I want Shamia to win. And I felt like, oh, I don't know. I didn't feel like this was a strong moment.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was making a lot of wrong turns. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So people come, she does this big show. She keeps changing outfits and missing notes and stuff. And she, you know, she's doing things where it's kind of like the. Have you ever seen like a Beyonce documentary? I saw one years ago where she. It was some TV kind of behind the scenes documentary for one of her concerts. And she's like, I'm in Vegas and one thing I'll always bet on in Vegas is myself, you know? And so she was trying to kind of get that vibe. This is like this BTS documentary of Shamia and she has these amazing singers that do backup. And she's like. And so I wake up in the morning and I. And then there's a long pause while she points them and then they do like the Destiny's Child.

[Kelly Dodd]

Get your T shirt on.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, yes, yes. That's it. You've guys finally got. Okay, you're hiring three backup singers that can out sing the fuck out of you. Just stand there and sing your song. Shamia, come on, man. So then everybody's seeing each other for the first time since the last confrontation. And Phaedra's like, well, it's the first time I've seen Kelly and Britt since they scared everybody at my all black affair. So I'm hoping we can resolve this. But I'm guessing that's why they're the fake freaking frack. Frickin frack. Freakin frack makes more sense. But she's just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because if you're gonna be frickin frack, you can't fight back. So then Kelly is of course ignoring Britt and she's like, you know, I've.

[Phaedra Parks]

Showed up for Brit as a friend and you know, the friendship and the.

[Ronnie Karam]

Love just was not reciprocated. I mean, how many waffles do I have to make someone before she makes.

[Phaedra Parks]

Me a waff in turn?

[Ronnie Karam]

It just saddens me that she hasn't been there for me the same way that I've showed up for her. So at this point, she's just non existent to me.

[Phaedra Parks]

I mean, is she here?

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's Kelly's first rivalry and feud, which is very exciting for her. So she of course is ignoring Brit. They're both totally ignoring each other at this event. So then the, the show starts each.

[Ben Mandelker]

Other by doing like the, like looking at each other and being like, I'm ignoring you, I'm ignoring you. It's very, very first season housewives fight.

[Ronnie Karam]

And everyone in turn is ignoring them, ignoring each other. You can see they're trying to really make it a thing and everyone just does not care.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's funny because that's like a double showcase and it's kind of failing on every level. You've got Shamia's showcase failing. You've got these two new Housewives showcase failing. It's all kind of going down at the wrong time. You wasted your money, sir. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial. I'm not big on trends, but I am big on clothes that feel good and last. And that's why I keep going back to quints. Their high quality staples have become my everyday essentials.

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[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we both love quints. We wear it all the time. I even use quints to buy stuff for my father because he's trying to get more fashionable and quints is the way to do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Of how nice, soft and fluffy they are. But did you know there's a credit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Card called CareCredit and it's like a dog in every single way? Okay, it's nothing like a dog, but you can use it to pay for things like vet care for your dog or dental and vision care for yourself.

[Ben Mandelker]

At over 270,000 locations nationwide, CareCredit offers.

[Ronnie Karam]

Flexible financing for health and wellness for.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pets and people, which actually makes it better than a dog because dogs don't.

[Kelly Dodd]

Even have flexible financing. Take that dog's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Visit carecredit.com to apply and find a location near you subject to credit approval. So then we hear that. We hear from Ms. Pat, who's the host that Shamia has been singing ever since she came out of her mama's vagina. And so she comes up and she's like, yeah, I've doubted myself in so many ways, but it all comes down to now. This is the moment that I've been praying for. You prayed to give yourself a showcase. Stop acting like you're backstage at the Grammys.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. So she comes out, she sings. So she's like, really? She's really rusty. In the beginning, she's nervous and she's like. And then her producer's like, come on, bring to church. Come on, you can do this. So then she comes out and then she gets behind the. On the piano and she starts singing and she's much better. She gets it together somewhat, but not. Not quick enough to avoid Drew telling us. You know, I personally never had this much trouble hitting a note. I'm like, well, can we roll the footage of Drew's big singing debut on this show when she was doing her duet with Candace Dillard, where all she sang was, now I know Drew is a singer.

[Ben Mandelker]

They did show her actual debut, which was singing her single To Ralph at the reunion.

[Ronnie Karam]

My favorite. I love when they pull out that clip, because they always show her singing, and it always cuts to Ralph just sitting there like, what am I doing here? But I just.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cameras in my house and you go to Florida. I'm not dumb.

[Kelly Dodd]

Don't treat me like I say duh.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, we've never seen you hit a note on this show. What are you talking about? Hot dog lady, Hot dog steaming.

[Ronnie Karam]

That still is, like. One of my favorite things they ever did on this show was have her sing to Ralph at the reunion. It was so silly. Oh, just his look.

[Ben Mandelker]

Drew's trying to do this. Like, oh, my God. As the resident singer in the group, Drew just stopped. Just stop it. And it was. I don't know. Mostly I find Drew funny on this show, but, you know, even though I'm kind of ragging on Shamia's performance, I didn't like Drew doing it. You know, I still.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly. I didn't want Drew to do it. I mean, Drew, you were. You're releasing an album that was produced by a hot dog vendor. Okay, let's just not forget that right now. Because apparently the producers did, because that storyline just went away, even though it was so much of the first half. And then we didn't even get an update on it. But that's fine. So Shamia does this whole thing. It's like a. This is an above and beyond as a showcase. Like, I mean, the fact that she has Ms. Pat doing. Being MC. The fact that she has an MC like this, the fact that she's doing so many costume changes, I can. I can imagine two, maybe three. But it was. It was like seven costume changes. It was too much for a showcase.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, because that's also having people just sit there and wait for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Exactly.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what I was thinking, you know, so then they start talking about the shot glasses. Well, Drew makes some shitty comments. You know, she's like, Shamia songs. I mean, she probably needed some more rehearsals. Like, maybe the mic was on, but it wasn't on, if you know what I mean. It needed to be off, probably. But you're Drew, so it doesn't really hold any water. So now we go to the after party and they're taking shots, and even the shot glasses have Shamia's name written all over them. You know, there's money everywhere, which is great. You know, I wish, you know, money sounded good on the radio.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. I was like, I'm just imagining the record executive who was like, Well, I wasn't sure whether or not to sign Shamia. But then I saw the shot glass, and I thought, you know what? This lady could sell some merch. We're hiring her.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we're talking about Angela's gala, and she's like, we have a goal to feed 100,000 children that look just like us.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I'm like, well, you don't have to tell me. We've been watching Charles cooking all season. I think he surpassed that goal by 500,000 at this point.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just like the idea of children with tiny, little perfect nose jobs and fans.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like a very literal charity.

[Ben Mandelker]

Feed the children with tiny noses and handheld fans who've got five houses in foreclosure, you know, and that's it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Leave no child hungry or unfanned. Make sure they all have a teeny.

[Ben Mandelker]

Little child without a bbl.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they are going to cook. It's a nice foundation. They're going to. It's. That's about, you know, providing food in underserved neighborhoods, literally. So then. So she can be doing this thing. And Drew is like, let us know what you need. And I'm like, yeah, you should really be very explicit about this, because if you're not careful, Britt's going to show up with, like, another, like. Like, package of brawny, and then that's it. That's all you're gonna get from her.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Drew's gonna show up with some to go boxes in her trunk.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then. Then Drew is asking Kelly how many followers she has, and Kelly has, like, 150, 000.

[Kelly Dodd]

And Brit's like, oh, talking about fake followers. She grew 80,000 followers in one day.

[Ronnie Karam]

Britt, I. You know that you're not the one to talk about fakery, because we're about to watch you pretend to buy a private plane when you can't even buy cottage cheese for your guests at your function.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Kelly doesn't even deny it. She's just like, well, I didn't know that somebody was stalking my page because.

[Kelly Dodd]

Yeah, well, we were close, so I would see it, you know, because you were posting me.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, yeah, because you wanted to be in the competition.

[Kelly Dodd]

She goes, yeah, well, tell your followers to donate.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kelly's like, listen, you know, if there's a certain amount, you gotta say it now, because some of us don't know how much to bring. I was like, oh, I guess Kelly said the joke that I said, which is then we see again, like, them scolding Brit for not bringing anything to charity. And Phaedra says, We don't need another debacle about who's giving what, who drives a Rolls Royce and who's carrying a Birkin bag. Because in this group, honey, the girls might have it, but they might not know how to give it. So then Shamia joins and she's like, thank you, thank you so much. And they all hug her and they're so proud of her. And she's saying, this is what sisterhood is about. This is what it's all about. This is support, this is sisterhood. And I never even hear you yelling at each other from the stage. So thanks for not fighting over my singing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, let's fight now. So British Cynthia came earlier and told me that you told Portia, you know, that we. That I was still talking shit about her and I felt some kind of way about her. And then we say, we see Cynthia telling her that. She's like, yeah, we, we met and she. She tattletaled, so you better take care of it. And Britt's like, well, we see the flashback to Britt saying, she showed me.

[Kelly Dodd]

Text messages between the two of you guys. Is that a real friend?

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we come back and Britt's like, well, but you have said things about her and just, what, Brittany? And she's wearing her sunglasses. She's like, what? What have I said about her, Brit?

[Kelly Dodd]

She's like, yeah, that you didn't feel she was a good friend. Amongst other things.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shmia's like, girl, you are so lying.

[Kelly Dodd]

Well, you showed me your text messages.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, I. And I don't know why you feel the need to lie. She's like, why?

[Kelly Dodd]

Why would I need to lie?

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, well, you're lying right now. And she says, I've never showed Brit anything. And Britt says, you can deny and.

[Kelly Dodd]

Deny all you want because, you know.

[Ronnie Karam]

She does that, like, high lilting, sort.

[Kelly Dodd]

Of like you can deny all you want, but you can't lie about those text messages. When me and Kelly and Shamia all went out, Shamia, you know, showed me all the text messages and why she doesn't like Portia and why Portia's a hater.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gosh, she's so annoying. She's really. She is so annoying. So to me, I was like, you're just jealous. And she goes, because of Portia? And she goes, no, because of Kelly. She goes, but you talk shit about Portia. And she goes, oh, my God, you're just trying to drag my name. You're exhausting. I gotta go. And she's like, well, is it not.

[Kelly Dodd]

True about your text?

[Ben Mandelker]

And she goes, oh, so you got. So then you take a shot and get butt naked. So that's what you have to do. So, okay, so now you're gonna shame her for being naked in the Trying to make you feel better about your child moment or whatever.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah, I thought, yeah, exactly. And Shamia is just like, yeah, by the way, thanks for wearing clothes tonight. Thanks for wearing clothes. And Brit's like, didn't you. Did you see your daughter when you got to Miami? Then Shamia's like, now you've given Shamia the license to not start saying, don't bring up my daughter. Don't bring my daughter up. I have a child. How could you?

[Kelly Dodd]

Well, you did that whole situation, the Grenada crying.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she goes, keep your clothes on, Brit.

[Kelly Dodd]

Yeah, and I thought you were honestly going through it. That's why I didn't shine, like, shows you my boobs. But the second you got to Miami, you were popping shots with Kelly.

[Ronnie Karam]

As if that's supposed to mean anything. Like, you can still, like, be wanting to go home and do shots at the same time. That's okay. Social media's like, well, at least I'm not popping pills.

[Kelly Dodd]

Oh, don't call me a pill popper, because I'm not.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like you are. I'm only calling what I see, darling. It's like, well, you were lying about.

[Kelly Dodd]

What your daughter was going through.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. So now you're accusing her of making up a sick daughter storyline. That's crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. Well, don't bring up my daughter. Brit, you are a lady of the night.

[Kelly Dodd]

Oh, I'm a lady of the night. Wrong. I'm a lady of the night whose insurance license was suspended because of slander.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're a streetwalker and a pill popo. And she's like, I'm a street.

[Kelly Dodd]

I'm a streetwalker because I'm a wife.

[Ben Mandelker]

I got this fight.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not these fights. It's, like, written by AI. This is a chatgpt fight.

[Ben Mandelker]

This part has run out of gas. Okay, so she's basically like, you're a slut. And she's like, you're a liar about your child. And then she's like, oh, really?

[Kelly Dodd]

I'm a slut? Well, you sleep around. Shamia. Shamia, you're married.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Shamia's like, well, there's always been rumors about infidelity about me since your cat was a kitten. And we know that was a long, long, long time ago.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so they basically just. Just sort of fight away from each other. So then now, by the way, now that we're done with that, let's see what's going on in Kelly's home. Nothing interesting, I'm sorry to say. Just when you thought there might be at last something interesting happy in Kelly's house, it is not. She is waking up her twins, and they wake up. And now we go over to Drew, and Drew is seeing she's sitting with Ralph. She calls up Ralph, or, I'm sorry, Ralph, asks if he can come upstairs, if he can come out the basement. So she's like, yes, you have permission to come upstairs. And then we cut away from that. Now we go to Britt. This scene so ridiculous. Brit and Mike are deciding to look at private planes. This reminds me of when Gretchen and Slade decided to go to, like, a Rolls Royce dealership to pretend like they were going to buy a Rolls Royce, as if they could, like, afford anything beyond a Mazda. So Brit's like, oh, wow, I like it.

[Kelly Dodd]

Do you think it's big enough?

[Phaedra Parks]

Literally?

[Ronnie Karam]

Normally I would say, please go to Shut Up Mountain, except she has already taken herself there. So enjoy the day.

[Kelly Dodd]

Private plane. I. I hope this private plane is good enough for us, honey.

[Ben Mandelker]

Brent, nobody believes this. I want to know how come I can't go test drive a Prius without proving I have enough money in my bank account, literally, to the person. But Brit can just walk onto private planes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Brit, you live in a townhome where you can touch both walls with both. Both elbows at the same time. And you can't talk about private planes. And if they're big enough for what you. For what your needs are. No, no, sorry. This is all bullshit. This is bullshit. You're poor.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then we go back to Kelly's, and they're still talking about bacon, so I don't care. So then we go over to. Wait, why is Kelly scene still going on?

[Ronnie Karam]

Because it's a whole thing about the restaurant. She's still not divorced, doesn't want to open up the restaurant until she's divorced, because that way she doesn't want her ex to have any access to it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what you should do? Just not pay the rent on it, and then that'll solve everything, because I think that's what she ended up doing. She's just like, I don't want my husband to get it, so I just won't pay the rent, and surely that won't affect me in any way.

[Kelly Dodd]

Bye, Joe.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's not working. It didn't work for Jax, Taylor. It's not gonna work for you. So now we go back to Drew and Ralph's, and so Ralph has. Has been released from the basement because the kids aren't around. So he's playing the piano. He's tinkling the keys, tickling the keys, tinkling the ivories, tickling the ivories. And Drew's like, you miss the piano? He's like, of course I do. Well, do you have something he wants to talk about? Because I've decided to move the piano to the second floor so it'll be even farther away from you. Okay, well, I think one of the big questions is, how did we get here? How did we get to this particular space? Well, I'm pretty sure you took the staircase that took you from the basement to the living room, so I think that's pretty much solves that.

[Phaedra Parks]

Any other questions?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we get a nice, big fake and bake scene with these two where they're like, what went wrong with us? Why are we fighting all the time? I don't know. I just hope we can be there for the children. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, I hope we're there for the children. What do you mean, you two? Are we pretending Precious doesn't exist? You know, Precious is at home throwing at her tv. Like, I've worked all year to divorce this woman, and now here you are just throwing it all away.

[Ronnie Karam]

Truly. Yeah. No, I don't believe any of this. Okay? And I love, like, how did we get here? I'm like, well, we can tell you. You just have to watch the past three seasons, and we watch your relationship fall. It was broken. When you guys came onto the show, it got more broken. And then we had one season where you pretended like everything was actually better than ever, and then it was actually most broken it's ever been. That's how it got to this place. And also Todd. Todd Tucker's movie.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also, you can't give us a whole season of you guys divorcing and it being messy and then him trying to release all this information and unsealing documents. And then the last time we see you leaving court with Precious, you're like, well, they just beat our asses in court. We need to know what happened in the divorce. Who has the kids? Who's getting the money? How much are you getting? I don't care if you're getting along. The. Is this. What kind of ending is this? I'm getting pissed off at this show now.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Phaedra going on a date with. Is it Che or Chi? How do you say his name? Chi Chi. Oh, Chi Chi. I remember him from Married to Medicine, but I didn't watch all that season, so I just couldn't remember. I just. I remember he was on that beach, that beach fight, the brawl on. On Marriage, Medicine. But they go on their date because Phaedra is a last minute addition to the show. So they're just trying to, like, give any sort of scenes with her that they can. So they go to a winery and she's like, who would have thought a winery in Georgia? I'm like, well, I would not have thought a winery in Georgia, but doesn't mean. Just because there's a winery does not mean. I'm curious to see if that wine is actually any good, because Georgian wine, good wine, or is it just, like, vinegar? I'm curious because, you know, we have like, we have like some wineries in Southern California and not the best. I have to say, I don't think.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chi Chi was on Married to Medicine was.

[Phaedra Parks]

He wasn't Chichi the one who was like.

[Ronnie Karam]

It turns out he was like, friends with, like, Apollo?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't think that was the same guy. Chichi's the one she met in a dating episode, like, where they were single dating. But I think Chichi was a friend of Apollo. I mean, I think there was another guy on that trip who was a friend of Apollo, but I don't think.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was a really tall guy. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't remember. But okay, so let's see. Where are we now? So I don't have time to Google it. Could you tell? I was Googling it. Now I have Google in my head. I'm like, oh, my God. I was reading all about Chi Chi and his medical supply business. It's like, he sounds hot. Okay, so they go on this date and they're just like, oh, yeah, I'm so into you. And they, like, make out and stuff. And she's like, oh, I love Mascarpone and I definitely love goat cheese. And only Phaedra can make a sex scene about cheese.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And he's like, feeding her berries. She's like, ooh. And the producer asked her if she'd be open to marriage again. And she's like, not really that interested in it. So. But then she tells. Tells him that she's gonna be going to a Charles Oakley gala and he could come, as in a jet or something like that. So then we go over to Britain, Mike's. And now Brit's whole family is gathered there because once upon a time, there was a storyline going on with Brit where she's trying to get her me together. So they've now all gathered, and it's like, the first time Brit's family and Mike's family have ever met or something crazy like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

That is so weird. That is so. Oh, by the way, breaking news. It was Chi Chi on Married to Medicine. You're correct. The hell? And I did watch the whole season, so what the hell?

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so, yeah, there's a lot going on in the world. It's hard to retain information. I mean, either private planes are about to be purchased by Brit. I mean, it just. It's a lot to take on.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just thought Chi Chi would be, in my mind as kind of a hero after almost kicking the ass of Dr. Greg. So I can't believe I don't have a poster of him in my room, actually. So, yeah, she go to Brits, and she's like, yeah, our families have never met, which is super bizarre. I'm not really sure what this chick is doing. She says it's because of COVID but Covid was kind of a while ago, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I mean, like, at least lockdown was so I don't know everything she says.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what I mean. Like the pandemic.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And I don't know, Like, I just don't believe really anything she says. I think there's more to the story.

[Kelly Dodd]

She's like, well, we were gonna get them together, but before our families could meet, State Farm had to approve it. And unfortunately, my family meeting other family license was revoked because of Kenya Moore. So another trauma. She's like, even though I haven't always had the best dynamic in friendships, my family is everything.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't have your best dynamics in family either. You haven't even speaking to your sisters until this season. So come on now.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was like, the whole premise of your storyline is that none of you guys talk in some story about the insurance company going down and everything.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So anyway, I was just very sad to see that this gathering did not come include the little butler that she had earlier this season when she threw a lobster dinner for her family and tried to make it seem super fancy by hiring a butler and the plane.

[Kelly Dodd]

So he could go see his mother commercials.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So now it's time for the Charles Oakley Foundation Gala day. So everyone's walking in and Angela saying.

[Phaedra Parks]

The Charles Oakley foundation has been in existence since 2017.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Charles is again saying that it's important. They want to feed people. And they fed 3,000 people during the super bowl. And just a lot of people and they're doing great work, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[Ben Mandelker]

So everybody starts to come and Angela calls Drew and she's asking her when she's coming. And she. Angela's like, drew and I met with Marcus. So we see a flashback to three days ago, this meeting with this shady queen trying to get on tv. So Marcus is like, well, Charles has been in my restaurant twice with another woman. Okay, first of all, fuck your restaurant. Then what's the name of this restaurant? Nobody go to this restaurant. If I'm not allowed to cheat on my spouse in a comfortable environment, why would I even eat there? You can't just go tell people what I'm doing in your restaurant, sir.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, Marcus, I'm afraid none of us will be going to the Cava you've been working in, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, please don't make it a cava. I love that place.

[Ronnie Karam]

I do love cava. I don't know why I took a shot at you.

[Phaedra Parks]

Gava.

[Ronnie Karam]

Please forgive me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Make it a chop stop if you're gonna do that. Like, somewhere I avoid anyway.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cheddars. So then. So. So we see the scene, and Angela's.

[Phaedra Parks]

Like, okay, so when did this happen?

[Ronnie Karam]

And he. And so there's a guy named Alex that's there who's Marcus's employee. And Alex says, it happened probably in June.

[Phaedra Parks]

She goes, you're a liar. You're a bad liar. And we picked up on that bullshit immediately because my husband was coaching in the Big Three, and he's on Nash. He was on national television at the time. Also, The Big Three is also what.

[Ronnie Karam]

We call our foreclosures these days.

[Phaedra Parks]

We got three big foreclosures looming.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she says, I know Marcus didn't act alone, and there's more to the story. So Drew on the phone is like, well, you know, he just said that he hopes that we have his back. And, you know, I was just like, well, tell the truth, and then we'll have your back. So now we go back to the flashback of the meeting with Marcus, and she's like, who put you up to this and got you into that event? That's what we want to know. And she goes, oh, you don't want to say it out loud, Marcus, you frame. You want to write it down. So he writes it on his phone to show them. Come on.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is so dramatic.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is so stupid.

[Ronnie Karam]

And also, like, you know, if someone. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I believe anything this person says. So then they look at it like, oh, my God. And Angela says, I just want to know why?

[Phaedra Parks]

Why did I. What did I do to provide that type of action from her? But we'll see.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now they're gonna get to the bottom of it. So back at the party, Cynthia meets Chichi. And then everybody's arriving and say hi and stuff. And so Portia's like, well, just because.

[Kelly Dodd]

Brit said the other day that Shimmy is still talking about me, that's so low on the totem pole when it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Comes to things that are pouring in my life. So if she has good energy, fine.

[Kelly Dodd]

If she doesn't find what do I care?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I'm concentrating on My house?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. They decided to bring back the house thing. Out of nowhere, this episode.

[Ben Mandelker]

The house back.

[Ronnie Karam]

Getting the house back. They're like, oh, yeah, Remember we. This was in the season premiere. We decided we'd make this a through line. So everyone's saying hi, and Kelly is talking to Shamia and saying that, oh, you killed it the other night. You were great, and every song was a moment. You know, you were so good, blah, blah, blah, just really kissing her ass, etc.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, you know, not everybody can handle this. And Shamia's like, yeah, well, I'm okay with that. She goes, yeah, they can't handle what's going on. And she's like, like, are you okay? Are we trying to make this about you now? Because I'm not really sure what you're talking about. And she's like, yeah, well, don't. One monkey stop no show. She goes, oh, so? And so now Brit's like, oh, you.

[Kelly Dodd]

Know, she is mad at me now, guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're like, why? And Cynthia goes, no, no, you remember the conversation she shared with us? And Britt's like, well, I was just.

[Kelly Dodd]

Letting her know that. Okay, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Cynthia's like, well, yeah, that she shared it with you and everything. So Portia's like, like, how did she know that you.

[Kelly Dodd]

What? She said what?

[Ronnie Karam]

You told me. Cynthia's like, yeah, I told her. I said something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, some things were said. I don't like to be blindsided. So I just thought. I just want you to. Just want you to know I put you on alert. So then Charles and Angela greet everyone, and we have. The gala goes forward. So they have some guests that come on. They talk about this talk. We have the CEO of Meals on Wheels Atlanta's there. We have someone from. From the Purse Foundation. And it's very nice. It's very good. It's a very good. You know what? It's a very good event. Okay? Lots of important people there. People gave money to charities. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Portia gives a speech because her grandfather is, like, a big guy and was a big guy in, like, the fundraising and charity space. So she has Portia up. And Portia's like, well, I would just.

[Kelly Dodd]

You know, I would like to thank all of the railroads for actually being underground now.

[Ben Mandelker]

New York City.

[Kelly Dodd]

Thank you, New York City, for making me that stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you. So then we move on to fighting, which is what it's really about. So Shamia's like, you know, I didn't. I didn't want this Group to change the dynamic of my friendship with Portia because she's my person. And so they come. You know, they all console Portia. She cries about Londi and stuff. And then Britt's like, yeah, it's okay.

[Kelly Dodd]

Take a deep breath. Best friend. You're my best friend, right? Come on. I'm here for you as your best friend. Best friend. I'm like, show me. Hey, portion. Do you want it? Do you want to mourn on my plane?

[Ronnie Karam]

Cynthia says. Cynthia says, I love that no matter what we're going through, when one of us is in need, we all come together. I love that. She likes. I know exactly. We make it about ourselves. Also, like, I love the. The excessive pats on the back for just doing the most basic human thing. Like, someone's like, close relative died, and they're like, look at the good we do consoling someone when they're dealing with death.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is a sisterhood when saying, I'm sorry that your cousin died. Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

We've really earned it. So now Cynthia's like, who's missing over here? Drew and Phaedra. Where could they be? And Porch is like, what do you mean?

[Kelly Dodd]

Like, the whole half of people?

[Ben Mandelker]

Because now there's all this drama because Angela is ready to start her drama for the finale.

[Ronnie Karam]

So the ladies are all sort of sitting together in this one area. Angela thanks them for coming in, etcetera.

[Phaedra Parks]

And she goes, well, as you guys are all aware, the other day at Kelly's event, I was ambushed by a gentleman. So Kelly went over there and proposed a toast to the guy. And you know what, Kelly? I still find it odd that it would happen in the middle of your event. Jacques Hughes, but not you, Twist. I bet you thought I was gonna come for you. I didn't. My husband, when I told him, he was like, that doesn't add up who invited him. And, you know, I didn't have the. You know, you and I didn't all have the best relationship, and I wasn't certain if you had sent to someone.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Britt's like, well, no, I mean.

[Kelly Dodd]

I'm a married woman, so at the end of the day, I would never want to sabotage you, especially when I'm busy looking at private planes that I'm definitely gonna buy. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure. All I was worried about was fitting my new Bentley inside of my new plane. I couldn't have been me. I love the San Conte of marriage. So at the end of the day.

[Ben Mandelker]

You get nothing for nothing.

[Kelly Dodd]

I was hoping you would say you get private plans for nothing, but that's fine too. We've had our differences, but I married.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just love that Angela is teasing this out. She's, like, going. She keeps telling, pointing the finger like, it was you, but it wasn't you, but it was you.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a song of rhymes show on Netflix. Like, everybody is guilty until the season finale. You know, it's like this episode, the chef's guilty. That episode, the secretary is guilty. So she's doing that in speed up mode.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just participated in my first ever murder mystery dinner party over the weekend, and it definitely was, like, pretty much almost identical to the scene. It was, like. It definitely wound up with all of us accusing each other. Like, but you wanted the money, but you were angry that he liked someone else else. It was basically just Angela moving her finger around and accusing everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Kelly Dodd]

And Britt's like, I respect marriage, but the finger is definitely pointing at Kelly's direction.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, yeah, well, I think Drew and I finally got to the bottom of it. And Drew's like, we found out it wasn't even true.

[Kelly Dodd]

Who invited him?

[Ronnie Karam]

Who hired him?

[Phaedra Parks]

I don't know. Where is he?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Drew stands up, up to get him, and Portia's like, why would.

[Kelly Dodd]

You want to bring the guy who talked about your husband to the group to explain your husband cheating on you? Like, it just doesn't make any sense.

[Ronnie Karam]

But Angela has proven this season that, like, clearly the producers say to her, hey, you should do this. And she does this, like, that trip to Nashville, everything. And so she's just like, sure, I'll bring this messy queen in at the finale at my charity dinner. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Her initial response to all this was, that's bullshit. I don't believe that. We all know it's a lie. Why even give it air? And then the next episode, she's like, I'm hunting him, and I'm gonna get him to write on a piece of paper who did it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because he was lying before, but now he's definitely telling the truth. So they bring in this guy Marcus. They. He's like a kindergartner with, like, a juice box.

[Phaedra Parks]

Like, Marcus, do you want to say something to the group? Come on, Marcus.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, you guys gonna have my back? You guys gonna have my back? You guys gonna have my back? Oh, my God.

[Phaedra Parks]

He's all nervous. He's like, hi.

[Ronnie Karam]

But Charles sees this, and Charles did not know about these shenanigans. And so he's like, no, no, no, you gotta go. He's like, get the out of here. You disrespect my wife. Yeah, get your ass out of here. Get out of here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Leave.

[Kelly Dodd]

I have to leave.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, you disrespected my wife, so get your ass out of here. Get out of here. No, he's gotta go.

[Phaedra Parks]

Charles.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Phaedra Parks]

Charles.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's out of here. He disrespected you. That.

[Phaedra Parks]

I'm gonna do a scene.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no, no.

[Phaedra Parks]

But it'll be good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Angela's screaming. Try sweet Char Charles screaming at each other in the middle of this event.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I'm trying to have a season finale scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

Charles, girl, you were just in therapy talking about communication, and you don't even tell your husband you're bringing somebody to his Meals on Wheels event.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like you didn't warn your husband about a stunt. You should have to. So then Marcus is like, charles, I apologize to you. I apologize to your wife. And I truly said that I was sorry. I am sorry, Charles.

[Kelly Dodd]

I am here to speak the truth now.

[Ronnie Karam]

I am sorry. And. And he's like, you disrespect respected me as a man.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then eventually, I'm glad he didn't. Didn't disrespect you as a bird. Does that mean.

[Ronnie Karam]

I kind of wish he did dis. Disrespect him as a bird. Why don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

You disrespected me as an eagle, and I will never stand for that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Good luck trying to get on the Atkins diet, Mr. Breadcrumb Eater.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they're like, oh, my God, that guy better get out of Charles's face. He'll lay him out, you know? And they're all laughing because this is crazy. And they're talking about how his reputation in the NBA is as the enforcer. And they're like, they're gonna enforce his ass right onto the floor, you know? So all the ladies are loving this, and the little gay is just wailing.

[Kelly Dodd]

Like, I said I was sorry, Charles. I said I was sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

Please come to Chopstop.

[Kelly Dodd]

Come to Chop Stop.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Betsy. Charles is like, you're fucking lucky. You're lucky, because I'm gonna let my wife do her scene, but I'm out. Take the. This mic off of me. I don't want to do this shit anymore, Charles.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want. She goes, charles, I wanted to clear my name. And he goes, it wasn't the police with handcuffs. My name is clear.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then they take Marcus. They're like, okay, sweetie, okay. Sit down. Do you want anything? Do you want a snack? You want a little pe? You want a granola bar? You want a juice bar?

[Kelly Dodd]

I said, yes, please.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. Okay. Now, that.

[Kelly Dodd]

That was scary.

[Ronnie Karam]

But there's somebody in this circle that is not happy with Angela.

[Phaedra Parks]

And who is that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. And Shamia's like, okay, you gotta say.

[Phaedra Parks]

You need to say who it is. Okay, sweetie, you want to say it. Are you comfortable saying it?

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, it's Phaedra. And everyone's like, what?

[Phaedra Parks]

Phaedra?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Angela's like, phaedra? How could you do some shit like that? Phaedra's like, what?

[Kelly Dodd]

And frick goes, uh, it wasn't Phaedra. It wasn't Phaedra.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Phaedra's like, what are you talking about? And rit's like, we need proof.

[Kelly Dodd]

We need proof.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Marcus goes, phaedra is the Godfather in Atlanta.

[Ronnie Karam]

She goes, the Godfather of what? My mother taught me to keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Well, I mean, that's kind of a godfathery thing to say. And.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, that's why she's saying it. She's doing the line from the Godfather. She's like, my mother taught me to keep your friends close. Like, she's doing the lines from the Godfather. And Marcus is like, she controls Atlanta. She goes, what? What are you talking about? And he's like, I'm just nervous to speak my truth. The Godfather's gonna come get me.

[Kelly Dodd]

Horsehead in my bed. Horse head, my bed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Phaedra's like, of course, blame me. I'm an easy target. But, girl, I absolutely have no reason to put anybody up to this nonsense. I already have had my marriage destroyed on national tv. So. So there's no way in hell I would come for anyone else's marriage. Marcus, I trusted you. You're my brother. She kisses him on the cheek.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Marcus is like, the tea was dropped to me at Phipps Plaza the Monday before the event. And Phaedra goes, you've never met me. You're crazy. And he goes, you dropped it off to me. And she goes, dropped off what? And he says, the envelope. And she says, what envelope?

[Kelly Dodd]

With the info. The envelope with the info. Why are you pretending like, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

You haven't seen the this movie? And she goes, what info, though? And so. And Cynthia goes, now, I know that Auntie Phaedra left no receipt, like, a whole envelope. She's not gonna do that. Phaedra's sneaky, but she's good sneaky, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Like, if Phaedra didn't get caught with that whole mess with Apollo going to jail, she's not going to get caught with a messy, messy Marcus.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Portia, at least with the stuff that happened with Candy, Phaedra had motives. You know what I mean? Phaedra was like, okay, well, this girl's like, besties with Apollo and hiding all of his from the FBI in her garage. And she's doing a lot of a best friend shouldn't be doing now. Her revenge was despicable. Of course, no one's gonna stand up for Phaedra's revenge, but if you're looking at it from a crime point of view, she had a means, an opportunity, and a motive. There was a reason. And in this, she's like, I don't even know this girl. What the. Do I care about her and her shitty marriage? You know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I just. There's something does not seem right about this. So Portia's like. She's like.

[Kelly Dodd]

The only thing I heard Phaedra say about Charles is that he likes to have a good time.

[Phaedra Parks]

So I don't see why she would.

[Ronnie Karam]

Have it up for Angela.

[Kelly Dodd]

I mean, she just got here. She went on one trip, and now she's been framed.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Brig goes, so she reached out to you? And he goes, we have a connect. And so they all start laughing because it's so ridiculous. And Angela goes, yeah, and tell us who the connect is. Say the name that you guys know.

[Kelly Dodd]

And he goes, yeah, his name is Junebug.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they all start cracking up. They're like, junebug. And Shamia goes, drew, did you write this, or did you just act in it? Got it to be too big.

[Phaedra Parks]

Angela, like, who's Junebug?

[Kelly Dodd]

And Portia goes, that's an actor's name.

[Ronnie Karam]

If I ever heard one. Who the hell is Junebug?

[Kelly Dodd]

You know what? This is all the team that Todd.

[Ronnie Karam]

Tucker came up with. And then we see a flashback to Aunt Bertha saying, like, well, it could.

[Phaedra Parks]

Have been a scheme that Todd set up for him to come to you with a bullshit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Then she, like, spins around like she just came up to salt something for.

[Ben Mandelker]

You with the bullshit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Marcus is like, I promise that's the truth. You guys don't want to hear the truth. I am done with it. I am out of here.

[Kelly Dodd]

You can't handle the truth.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Cynthia is like, well, shit, that could be any of our cousins. I mean, everybody's got a June Bug around here somewhere.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was dying laughing. This was so good. And so Phaedra's like, what? Why would I have a beef with you. And Angela goes, maybe because I have a ring. And Phaedra goes, what ring do you have that I would want? She goes, marriage. And she goes, you think I want your marriage? And she goes, well, you want a marriage, Phaedra, because you tried to come in between mine. And she's like, you did it. You sent him. And. And no one is believing that. This is so crazy. Listen, Phaedra is not a trustworthy witness, but Marcus is the most unreliable narrator. Anyway, she had someone named Junebug meet you in Phipps Plaza with an envelope that said Charles was cheating in your restaurant. Why would you need an envelope with information if you saw somebody cheating in your restaurant? Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, the envelope.

[Ben Mandelker]

An envelope of money to say that somebody was saying, he's so stupid, Marcus, get out of here. You know what happens to snitches, don't you? No, but let's find out.

[Ronnie Karam]

They get riches. So Angela's like, this is your character.

[Phaedra Parks]

I know the moves you play, and the level that you're playing at is kind of low because I trusted you and I liked you. Oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Fader goes, well, I liked you too, but you accusing me of something with no proof.

[Phaedra Parks]

In the Godfather, it says, beware of the person who brings you the information, Phaedra. And you gave me everything. You gave me everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

So the producers like, well, how did you receive Marcus's full name and work information? So Angela says, phaedra called me, and.

[Phaedra Parks]

She said, you know, the guy who approached you, I do remember him. She said, she has the memory of an elephant, and his name was Marcus Such and Such. And she said, he worked and such and such. And she gave me the information.

[Ronnie Karam]

And his restaurant was called Such and Such Kitchen. So I got to the bottom of Such and Such.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Phaedra goes, it's because he introduced himself at the event in front of us. It wasn't information that I came up with. I just remembered the event when he said his name and the restaurant he works at. And she's like, I don't know that man from Adam's house cat. It wasn't my event. You know, the real person is the person who made the guest list and allowed him in, which I think makes more sense. I mean, I think was probably. If it was anybody, it was Kelly. It was her event. And Kelly's also the one that went up and initiated a cheers with him after he did that. So she was the one that tried to keep it going. So if anybody is at fault here, it would be Kelly. But I don't believe Kelly did it really.

[Ronnie Karam]

Or it's just a messy producer. It could just be.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just Eric Fuller back there trying to make something happen on another season. He's up. Is it Eric Fuller I'm gonna see because I'm accusing that it's not there.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought they removed him from the show because he fucked it up so badly. I mean, he fucked up this show. And Potomac, I believe, allegedly. So Angela is like, all the roads lead to Phaedra. And Phaedra, because you're researching, but you're failing to tell us that you're in foreclosure, which has literally nothing to do with this. Angela goes, that's not. She goes, that.

[Phaedra Parks]

That ain't no thesis. I will tell you everything I'm going through, honey, and I will get it out of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

It.

[Phaedra Parks]

But because what it is, is one failed friendship after group to another. And here you are doing the same you did with the old friends.

[Ronnie Karam]

Clearly referencing marriage medicine, I'm assuming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Looks like Eric Fuller did not do this season of this. So sorry. Eric Fuller. I don't know who I'm supposed to be yelling at now. Somebody tell me so I can yell properly during the reading. Whoever it is, is it up?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, Merrick Lawler. Wait a second. Just Eric Fuller with a mustache on. It's like a mustache and monocle. No, I'm not related to him at all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So simple is like, you know, you're walking around here like you think you got your together, but do you even let your kids visit their father? And she's like, they do all the time. What are you talking about? She goes, are you sure? Because you're a horrible person. You're a horrible person.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are you sure? Because you are a horrible person. Social media's like, in my spirit. I'm feeling like the prime suspect is Britt. Edie, Angela. You told the girl she had stretch marks on her mouth.

[Ben Mandelker]

Britt makes sense, too.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Brit is probably the. Brit would be messy like this.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think the one trying to, like, make the. The Housewives story storylines go and start fights all the time and just overdoing every single thing. And, like, filming on her private plane, which she doesn't own. I mean, Britt is really the one trying to. Trying to do all the Housewives stuff. And so Phaedra's like, well, I don't have anything to do. Although I don't believe that anybody did it, really. I mean, even that's how tricky this queen is, making us doubt everybody on the show. Like, the person I trust the least on this show is this Marcus bitch. Get him out of here. He didn't earn a spot on this show. You did not audition. Get out. Wheel him out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think he's thirsty. I think he wanted to have a moment of fame. I think that that's what he's going for. I think he's ready to do. He's ready to do the. The whole, like, podcast social media circle. He's gonna be popping up on YouTube, giving his side the story. Like, just watch. Just watch. This guy is in it, in it to be famous. So I don't trust anything. Yeah, I mean, they're all in it to be famous, to be fair, but he's even more.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but they're at least on the show, they're doing their job. You know, he's just some weirdo trying to get attention. So I think Portia has it right.

[Kelly Dodd]

When she says, I think Angela did it to herself.

[Ben Mandelker]

Fight me at the reunion.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Angela's like, well, I'm sad that.

[Phaedra Parks]

We ended on this note.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you did it, Angela. Everything was fine until you brought out the. Until you brought out Marcus. And then you start to accuse everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Angela, the queen, of making every situation awkward with some weird accusation. So now we get the after season update things, and Kelly has closed the doors on her marriage and she's preparing to open new doors for Sandy Springs Nana's Chicken and Waffles in. In spring or summer 2025. She'll be double checking the guest list for the grand opening. Oh, update. It is not opened.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was an update by Jessica, our note taker who did the. Did some good research there. Shamia is this. Shamia is the next one. I don't know. Just there's. They're basically just like all now squabbling now. It's like a lot of squabbling and it goes back and forth between, like, up to dates, etc.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, now it's Shamian complaining about their fighting is so it makes no sense still, you know. And so Brit's saying that she was faking the daughter being sick. And she is like, you said I was faking her being sick. She goes, no, I never said that.

[Kelly Dodd]

She was faking it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, you did. You literally said that. So I don't trust you either, because you're pointless, you know? Yes, you say. And then deny it the next two minutes later, like, right.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Shamia is saying you threaten people with guns. That's what you do, you whore.

[Kelly Dodd]

And Britain's like, I'm not doing this with him.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we see Brit is using her clean slate to open a new insurance agency. She's also working hard to release Bear and naked so that the masses can be snatched just like her. What was Baron naked? Also, she mentioned at one point. I don't even remember what that. What that even was such a joke.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was her shapewear.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. It was.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she came out with shapewear, and she put up like a before and after, but they were the exact same picture.

[Kelly Dodd]

It's like, see how different I look there? I was inspired by getting my baby all in Brazil.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Then we see Drew. Drew's album, I Did it to Me.

[Ben Mandelker]

That reminds me of my mom. I've told you the story before, but my mom wanted a facelift, and my dad was like, I'm not getting you a facelift. That's ridiculous. So she saved up her money, and she finally gets a facelift. You're covered like a zombie. So she finally wanted to see. And they always tell you, do not go. Take off your own bandages. Don't do it. But my mom did. And my dad just heard a wailing, and he runs down thinking, like, oh, my God, what's going on? And she's just in the bathroom screaming, I'm a monster. And I did it to me. And all these years later, Drew named her album that. I'm gonna get that from my mom.

[Ronnie Karam]

I did it to me. While her music career is on high, her relationship with Ralph is still on a low, as he continues to reside in his basement apartment in the sky. With an end to the divorce, nowhere in sight. Is her music career on a high right now? I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

But God bless. And I get the George Jefferson reference here, but it still didn't make much sense. He continues to reside in his basement apartment in the sky.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And also, Ralph has literally never moved on up, ever. Yeah, actually, maybe he did, actually. You know, when he married Drew Sidor, he moved on up because Drew was. Drew was famous before the show and has, like. She's. She's a known entity. So Ralph did move on up then, but now he's. If they were to make the Jeffersons about Ralph, it'd be. So we're stagnating.

[Phaedra Parks]

Stagnating.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think that's what the vibe would be.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go to Shamia's, like, I. I don't know. Shamia is still pissed off at Brett. So then we see While baby Shiloh continues to make progress, Shamia has a new surrogate and will welcome a baby soon. Her single Never had was released in March 2025. She hopes that listeners don't talk over it this time. They will. And then Angela is like, thank you, Phaedra. Hope you enjoyed yourself. And they just smile at each other. And then we see that Phaedra's booked and busy and adding more jobs to her resume until her boys retire her. Meanwhile, her chocolate prince, Gigi, is still satisfying her sweet tooth Mascarpone.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Angela sold three houses, but two have unfortunately been lost. However, she.

[Ben Mandelker]

They've been lost.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm assuming foreclosed on or I don't know, maybe they burned down. Or maybe they're like. Like, wait, wasn't the house at this address? No. Where was it?

[Ben Mandelker]

It doesn't make any sense.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know where that house is. I guess we lost it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did she sell them at a loss? That would make sense. Or did you just let them go into foreclosure and let the banks take them? Because that's crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was such a dramatic. I think it was that they were foreclosed on, but such a dramatic way to say it. Two of them have unfortunately been lost.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. But now she's coming out with Fangy, a line of fans.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I get it. And no word on when she and Charles will renew their vows. Please don't, because that's going to be the end of your marriage. And so then, you know, now Portia and Cynthia are talking, and Cynthia is saying, brit told Shamia that she told you. And I had a conversation with Shamia. They're basically just talking about Shamia and stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

Portia's like, why are you going to go. Go try and start another fight with me and Shamia? I already knew that. Shamia said that stuff, and I didn't care. I was gonna let it go. So. And Cynthia's like, well, listen, I'm just a friend of. And that's my job. She's like, whatever. Okay, fine, I forgive you. So then Portia's like, whatever, I'm fine with Shamia, and that's my ending. So Portia, we get the ending with Porsche because we started with Porsche running outside. Remember when she put on her sneakers and she went running outside? And everybody was like. Like, portia does not go running. I'm sorry. And she certainly does not go running outside. So we get a more realistic ending, which is Portia running on her treadmill at home. You know, and we remember she had to run outside because she couldn't film in her home. But now she can.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Because the divorce has sort of gone through. Ish. And she says, I can't deported.

[Ben Mandelker]

How are you going to keep somebody out of your house when you've been deported?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She's like, well, I can't tell you.

[Kelly Dodd]

How excited I am to be able to film in my home.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Phaedra Parks]

We still have to move forward, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now we can film in my home. Which would have been more exciting if they had just tried to keep that thread going through the season. I was like, oh, yeah. I guess that was a thing. I don't know if we needed to pick the cameras back up five months later to see this, but that's cool. So nice. House looks nice.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then nothing feels as safe as living in a house that. That you could be kicked out of any moment. So that's good. So we see her happy in her about to be gone house and then see that Simon was detained by ice. Dun, dun dun.

[Ronnie Karam]

Leaving the divorce on ice. I see. Wow. So thanks a lot, Ize, for, you know, among all the other things that you're ruining for now interrupting housewives storyline. You know, fuck eyes, they really can't do anything right. They are just the worst in so many different ways. Now that we even fucking up the housewives storylines.

[Ben Mandelker]

Although Simon, you know, a broken clock is right a couple times a day. You got Simon. No one was a fan of Simon at this point. I think on the show they're still fuck you guys. So that was that for Atlanta. Season 17 was this season 17, which is crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, season 16. So we have. There's going to be this reunion coming up after the July 4th weekend. So we will look forward to that. That and thanks everyone for being here for the season finale.

[Ben Mandelker]

We'll talk to you next time. Bye. Bye.

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Bye.

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