#2910 Next Gen NYC S1E5: Speaker of the Devil

Summary

Watch What Crappens - Episode #2910: "Next Gen NYC S1E5: Speaker of the Devil" Summary

Release Date: July 3, 2025

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction and Scheduling Updates

In this episode of Watch What Crappens, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam kick off with a brief update regarding their podcast schedule. They announce a mini-break over the July 4th holiday weekend, informing listeners that episodes typically released on Thursday, Friday, Monday, and Tuesday will be skipped. They promise a return on Wednesday with fresh recaps of shows like Love Island, Valley, and Next Gen New York City, among others.

Ronnie Karam shares excitement about their Patreon-exclusive bonus episodes, highlighting a significant recap of the recent Love Island business channel challenge. He encourages listeners to join their Discord community for more in-depth discussions.

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Dive into "Next Gen NYC": Plot Breakdown

The heart of the episode centers around the latest developments in "Next Gen NYC" Season 1, Episode 5: Speaker of the Devil. Ben and Ronnie dissect various plot points, highlighting dramatic confrontations and character dynamics that drive the show's intrigue.

Chloe's Birthday Party Drama

The episode begins with Chloe's 23rd birthday celebration, where Ava publicly criticizes Ariane's fashion sense, leading to tension among the group.

• Ronnie Karam [05:04]: "It's such a fight when you're 20. Like, how dare you say I'm not a fashion designer?"
• Ben Mandelker [05:30]: "You don't really need to do that."

Ava's remarks spark a series of exchanges that reveal underlying insecurities and rivalries. The hosts mock Ariane's lack of a defined fashion perspective, comparing her unfavorably to other more stylish characters.

Meredith and Brooks' Strained Relationship

The tension escalates as Meredith and Brooks navigate professional and personal disagreements. Their interactions showcase a tumultuous work relationship, exacerbated by Meredith's ambitious plans and Brooks' frustration over unmet expectations.

• Ben Mandelker [12:03]: "She said, it's the vibe. And I'm so glad that I trusted her because what an iconic look that she totally pulled off."
• Ronnie Karam [17:46]: "He's like, how dare you?"

The hosts highlight the absurdity of their conflicts, emphasizing the over-the-top nature typical of Bravo reality shows.

Georgia's Event Planning Chaos

Georgia takes center stage as she plans a grand event, encountering numerous hurdles, including lost speakers and budget constraints. Her interactions with friends like Charlie and Omar reveal her determination and the group's chaotic attempts to support her.

• Ben Mandelker [28:44]: "Why would someone who's getting 10 grand a month need... a $200 Bose speaker?"
• Ronnie Karam [43:38]: "She goes, you're immature. And he's like, dude, shut up."

The struggle to retrieve speakers from Charlie becomes a focal point, symbolizing the group's broader challenges in coordinating events amidst personal conflicts.

Ava and Charlie's Business Endeavors

A subplot involving Ava and Charlie attempting to take over a vegan restaurant adds another layer of complexity. Their efforts to secure a liquor license and manage operational logistics are met with skepticism and further discord among friends.

• Ronnie Karam [30:13]: "He's like, no, no, no, listen. I don't know if you understand your aesthetic."
• Ben Mandelker [36:18]: "He's like, I call it dirty poor, but you can't even speak stupid."

The hosts satirize the characters' lack of professionalism and the unrealistic expectations placed upon them, reinforcing the show's parody of reality TV tropes.

Seth and Dylan's Frustrations

Seth and Dylan emerge as characters grappling with their personal shortcomings and the pressures of their social circles. Their inability to find meaningful goals or maintain financial stability adds to the episode's comedic tension.

• Ben Mandelker [39:08]: "I do not need these people on this show anymore."
• Ronnie Karam [49:19]: "He's literally having this conversation with Charlie. Do you think it was easy coming? Coming five times today? No, but I did it."

Their conversations underscore themes of entitlement and the pitfalls of wealth without purpose, common criticisms of the reality TV portrayal of affluent youth.

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Character Dynamics and Themes

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie delve into the intricate relationships and power struggles among the characters. They emphasize themes of ambition, rivalry, and the often superficial nature of friendships within the high-stakes environment of New York City's social elite.

• Ben Mandelker [05:32]: "You have no fashion POV. You don't walk into a room with any sort of distinct aesthetic."
• Ronnie Karam [28:44]: "She goes, you're immature. And he's like, dude, shut up."

The hosts consistently mock the exaggerated personalities and unrealistic scenarios, highlighting the absurdity inherent in such scripted dramas.

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Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Ben and Ronnie reflect on the over-the-top antics of the characters, praising Georgia for her resilience and dismissing Charlie as a quintessential example of a spoiled, entitled rich kid. They conclude with a humorous take on the characters' inability to grow beyond their superficial concerns, reiterating their love-hate relationship with the Bravo franchise.

• Ronnie Karam [65:17]: "It's like the most volatile sign. It's like bulls. That's a. You don't put two bulls together."
• Ben Mandelker [68:13]: "We did a good job with that."

The hosts sign off with trademark humor, leaving listeners eagerly anticipating their next recaps and discussions.

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Notable Quotes

• Ronnie Karam [05:04]: "It's not nice, but it does crack me up."
• Ben Mandelker [28:44]: "Why would someone who's getting 10 grand a month need... a $200 Bose speaker?"
• Ronnie Karam [43:38]: "She goes, you're immature. And he's like, dude, shut up."
• Ben Mandelker [68:13]: "We did a good job with that."

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Watch What Crappens continues to deliver sharp, witty commentary on Bravo’s most dramatic and outrageous moments, providing listeners with both laughter and insightful critiques of reality TV's finest.

Transcript

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[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, what's going on with you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Not much. We are here today to talk about next gen New York City. Also, a little scheduling update. We're taking a mini break because it's July 4th here in the States. So we're gonna have like Thursday, Friday. Well, this is putting this episode out on Thursday, but we're taking Thursday, Friday, Monday and Tuesday off. So the shows that we would normally recap on those days are will not be recapped. But we'll be back on Wednesday with Fresh Love Island, Fresh Valley, Fresh Next gen New York City. And then we'll have all the shows that you love, like Miami, all that good stuff. We'll, we'll be, we'll be back. But we're just giving ourselves a little bit of a holiday. So thanks for your patience with that. Speaking of Love island, go to patreon.com watchful crappens to get our bonus episodes where we are recapping Love Island. We did a real big one today where we recapped at that crazy stand on Business channel challenge that they did. And we had a lot of thoughts. I'm sure you have a lot of thoughts. So go listen, weigh in, leave a comment. Don't forget you can join our Discord community if you are on Patreon where a lot of people are talking about Love Island. So there's just so much to do. And we also have crappings on demand where you can watch us, not just listen to us. So with that all being said, let's dive into next gen New York City and we pick up where we left off, which is that we're at this party for Chloe. It's Chloe's Birthday and what? Ava has basically just shaded Ariane for not looking like a fashion designer. And she's not really wrong. It's just not nice.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not nice, but it does crack me up, because it's such a fight when you're 20. Like, how dare you say I'm not a fashion designer? You literally aren't. Have you ever drawn anything? You walked into the place and said, you want hearts on sweatpants.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You have no fashion pov. You don't walk into a room with any sort of, like, distinct aesthetic that, like. Like a signature aesthetic that people know what you're about. Like, Ava is completely correct, but she's also punching down and.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't really need to do that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Like I said last week, I think that Zolciak should just pivot and be like, you're right. I don't know. I'm just here to learn. Can your mom teach me anything? Can you get me an internship with your mom? That would be great.

[Ben Mandelker]

There you go. That's exactly what Ariana should do. So it was like, babe, I did not mean to come for your brand. And I. I'm too lazy to put my fingers in the air and do an air quote. But that's what I really meant, because you don't have a brand. All I said was I was just surprised that you moved to New York City to start your fashion because there's nothing about you that's fashionable or brand wear. I don't know. That's it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she is like, but why? Why is this so surprising? I mean, people come to New York to start things all the time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Brooks is like, I'm severely uncomfortable with this. And he and George are, like, laughing behind them because they're like, this is so awkward. Oh, my God. And then my mother, the icons across the room while this is happening, like, I die.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. But, like, when I've seen someone with fashion brand, I can usually tell, like, hold on right away, what their point of view is. So I'm like, wow. And she was like, but you're basically saying she has no style.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, in a way, you're saying that. No, I'm not saying that. It's just like, you know when you look at Gia and you see, like, trash New Jersey. That's her vibe.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, you just said you can usually tell.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I usually can tell.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but you just said, like, she, like, clearly you cannot tell. That's what you just said.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can I finish talking or no, I can't If I can't talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, it's like everything you're saying is just, like, insulting. Just letting you know. Just letting.

[Ben Mandelker]

Said anything because you've been talking.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just letting him know about it. Just letting you know. Gia, please stop acting like you've never heard anyone shocked that you have anything to do with fashion. Your family has heard that many times, my friend.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Gia is also funny because she gesticulates with sort of like slow, slow moving paddle hands, like, all her gestures. Like, she sort of, like, slowly moves her wrist left and right. It's like watching, like, an aquatic animal.

[Ronnie Karam]

Or something, like, where she kind of like waves, like, down.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like she loves something on the ground. She's like, ah, she's rubbing a crystal ball or something that you said.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And I think Ava's right here where she's like, yeah, I don't know her, but I know that she has a mouth. And she doesn't need Gia fighting everybody's battles, you know? She's like, I know. I get. I don't need standing up for her friends. But Gia, like, you're here for five minutes an episode. Stand down, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She's like, I don't need the girl from Jersey to lecture me about fashion thoughts, okay? She goes, well, if George Georgia were to tell me she had a fashion brand, I would be like, cool. Makes sense. She has, like, a certain point of view. It's kind of like diplo in a diner meets super white skin, you know? Like, I get that. I see what her. Her point of view is, but I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just like, Bride in the 1920s who died. That's, like, her thing. I get it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chalk outline, but only the chalk part.

[Ronnie Karam]

Casper the ghost. If it was, like, on a severely restrictive carb diet.

[Ben Mandelker]

I get it. You know, I just don't know what your point of view is because you're just sort of wearing generic fast fashion right now. Or I was like, oh, my God. So what I'm saying is, like, you just told me it would make more sense if Georgia had a clothing line instead of me. What would her clothing line be? Gross germs from the street on her hands.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Brooks is like, I'm itching to get out of here. And he was like, well, I'm just telling you how I meant it. So, like, there's really no point to, like, yell and scream. And she's like, okay, then, like, so you should not. And saw her clothing line. Then, yeah, she.

[Ben Mandelker]

She doesn't have a clothing line. So it was like, can you not point in my could you not point your slow paddle of a hand in my face? This is how I talk. We're Italian. If you're not used to it, get over it. You can put that in the trailer. It was a really good moment.

[Ronnie Karam]

Get over it. And Riley's like, yeah, G is always putting herself in the mix. You know, like, Like I'm not gonna argue about someone else's issue. Okay, so Ava's like, sorry, I hit that insecurity. Too bad you don't have a cute dress to like dress it up in.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Ariana's like, I understand maybe the way you could have meant it, but I'm just like trying to tell you how I feel when I talk about it. Okay, then Brooks is now like, they're, they're like trying to hash it out, but then it's like, happy birthday to clone me icon. Happy birthday. It takes for them to get through the song.

[Ronnie Karam]

Happy birthday. And Chloe's 23. Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was iconic Mother.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now it's the next day and Georgia is with Danny and she's like, oh, so Danny's the girl, right? So she's like, oh yeah. So for my birthday I'm going to like do Disney in like Orlando because like I've never been in Omar's never been. So it's like welcome to Orlando. Am I right? Can't wait. It's gonna be like edgy Orlando Disney when you're like my age is like crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

So ironic back. Oh my God. We're gonna do like an Orlando themed Orlando party. I cannot wait. So Danny is like, oh my God. So he's gonna take it to Disney World. Then you can go to Epcot. Cuz I don't really like apricots, but sure, I'll go. That's not what that is. Okay, whatever.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, it's like make a wish. Like literally.

[Ben Mandelker]

After a bunch of years doing events for like other people, my good friend Danny and I started our own private events company. And like one thing that's like different about Gen Z is that like, I don't think anyone wants to work for someone else or even work. So everyone grew up with the Internet and watch kids go our age creating businesses and careers. And my goal is definitely like, I don't ever want to call someone my boss again or do anything productive in society. Which is why I'm going to have a Gen Z style. Gen Z party with Diplo at a Dunkin Donuts. Pop up. Yes, Queen amazing.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like unwashed. Fingers crossed. So then we go to Brooks and Meredith walking arm and arm to go to a showroom to see my line.

[Ben Mandelker]

We are going to get a new outfit on for something. And she says, I mean, and Brooks is saying how he's always like styled her and everything. And she's wearing this like sheer thing or whatever. And Brooks is like, not a fan of it because emeritus like, well, I mean, this I like. This piece is very much my style. I'm very monochromatic. Like as Meredith Marx monochromatic. That's not what I think of her as like big red, bright colors and different.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think of shoulder pads and sleeves. That's what I think of with Meredith. She's like, yeah, but you're gonna love the showroom. It's very much my vibe. He's like, what are you talking Invented your vibe?

[Ben Mandelker]

I've been selling my mom for years and honestly, I don't know how long it's been, but she went through a period of time where she was doing it herself. And then I stepped in and the producer's like, were you responsible for the crystal face mask? He's like, no. And I actually told my mom not to wear it. And she said, it's the vibe. And I'm so glad that I trusted her cuz what an iconic look that she totally pulled off.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we go to this thing, it's like, why shouldn't I wear the caviar party, honey? And Rex is like, you should put caviar on your potty. She goes, oh my God, that would be so chic.

[Ben Mandelker]

That would go really well with the bib you told me to put on. I do love being styled by a toddler. Especially convenient when you're spreading food all over your body.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Danny and Georgia having lunch, and Danny's like, so Meredith's bit anxious because it's like actually in two minutes. Like it's literally. It was yesterday. That's how soon it is. It was like, oh my God, it's over. It's over at the party's over. I'm cleaning up the party, I'm picking up the dishes. Like, it's literally now. Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh my God. Danny's like the brains behind the operation. She's so professional all the time. She's like the brains and I'm like the germs. Oh, we're so good together.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, well, like, we got the florist, which is great. I just need to confirm with Meredith that we're down to do a grid post.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I'm like, The opposite of that. I'm like, not the brains of the operations. Well, really, way to sell your business there. She's the brains, and I'm the idiot that doesn't know what's going on and just is goofy.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I do nothing, but I have access to a whiteboard.

[Ben Mandelker]

A whole room of them.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Brooks and Meredith are talking about how the girls are going to be doing her party. And he's like, wow, you're trying to steal my friends again. She's like, no, honey, they're very talented girls. They want to do a grid post. I mean, taking over.

[Ben Mandelker]

My mom recently launched Meredith Marks Caviar, and Georgia does, like, a lot of event coordination and planning and, like, hosts, like, some of, like, the most amazing parties in New York. Like, last week, I went to a Cinnabon, and Sinbad was the dj. It was iconic. I didn't even know who he was, but I was like.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Danny's like, oh, my God, I have such a good idea for this caviar party. Okay, so you know how, like, in the south, they have Frito pies? Okay. You know how Meredith is, like, totally Southern? Like, she's totally the vibe of the South. So, yeah, I was thinking we could do, like, Frito pies, but, like, we'll get a big bag of lays and caviar. Caviar pie. Isn't that crazy? That's nuts. Am I right? It's, like, so southern. Oh, my God. Like, mama's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like the mama's family of caviar. Meredith is gonna love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. That's amazing. Fritos. I didn't even know you. Like, why would anyone even pay for toes if you can get them for free? That is a great idea. Caviar on toes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. You can put caviar on anything. Like, you can literally put caviar on pizza. And George is like, wow, you're giving me ideas, girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we go back to Meredith and Brooks, and. And they're talking about style and everything. And then we go back to Georgia, and she's like, you know, the venues are giving us enough amazing deal. I mean, it's basically going to be, like, all comms. I mean, she'll be great, and they just. They cannot wait to work with Meredith. It is, like, so perfect. I think she wants to invite, like, whoever. Like, whoever from the housewife world. So, like, we're gonna have to have security because it's like housewives, and they're out of control when did the Fritos arrive?

[Ronnie Karam]

And George is like, yeah, she's a great client. Because, like, she also, like, gives you the space to interpret her ideas, which is really great. I think she's gonna like a Mama's family theme, whatever that is. Never heard of it, but whatever. So we see clips of Meredith being wacky on Salt Lake City, and the producer's like, have you ever seen Meredith on her show? I mean, you're calling her chill and stuff, like, do you know her? And she's like, wait, you mean like her show? Like, I don't. Yeah, I don't have a TV. Is it on TikTok? Because, like, otherwise.

[Ben Mandelker]

Georgia, I hate to interrupt you in the middle of your interview, but we definitely need security for these housewives. Also, Meredith called and she said she wants someone dressed like a bubba. I'm not even sure who that is, but I'll just have to do my research.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she is picking. Meredith is picking pieces. And Brooks is like, no, no, no, listen. I don't know if you understand your aesthetic. Like, with all due respect, like, you dress younger, and you need to, like, you stop dressing like Chloe. And she's like, I'm not old. Stop trying to make me, like, elderly Bronx. Also, to be fair, Chloe dresses like she's 40.

[Ben Mandelker]

The other ages are all messed up in this family. Brooks is a toddler. Meredith is a 21 year old, and Chloe is dressing like she's a working girl. So I don't know what's happening. I don't want to get started on Seth.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Meredith is like, you get mad at me sometimes. He's like, yeah, like, literally. I do. Like, it pains me because you're like, my best friend. And if my best friend's wearing something that's not cute, I'm going to tell them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'll have Gia tell them my mom and I have a tumultuous work relationship. Well, I don't know why you say that. I think our work relationship is very healthy. I mean, we work for four hours, and then I put you in your high chair and open up, here comes the airplane. And put some nice gerber, like, mushy carrots into your mouth. I think it's a wonderful way to conduct.

[Ronnie Karam]

How many other bosses have you had that have driven a train of Mac and cheese sneeze in your mouth? Brunson.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, who else encouraged you to take the purple loop off the pole and then the green loop that was below it and then the red loop that was below it and then cheer you on Every time you took one off and then put it back on, he's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, what, are you kidding me? You fired me last week. Just. What? I mean, if you're gonna tell part of the story, tell the rest. Why did I fire you, Bronx? He's like, because I missed an email about ordering main labels for your clothes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Clothes. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a big deal. She's like, wow. Well, denim that could have been sitting there and can't even ship. It's like, well, why don't we, like, take a breath and you can, like, try our outfit on and we'll, like, revisit in a minute. My mom's company is, like, constantly pushing out new lines of development. Skin care, fashion, jewelry, denim, apparel, caviar hammers and nails, those little sticky things that you can put on the wall that you can mount, like a poster board, but then you can take it off really easily. That kind of stuff.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bean salad. It's a lot. So he's like, mom, can we sit and talk? Because, like, it's hard to talk when you stand. She goes, oh, really? Well, I'm so sorry. Sorry for stamping. I don't remember firing you, Bronx. He goes, well, you said, find a new job by the end of the month, and you're fuming, and, like, my entire denim won't be here. And so now everything's in hell because of how you handled it. This is a total disregard. I wish I never had you. God, I wish Chloe was better with a calculator. Need I go on? She's like, yeah, it was nice. I was being supportive. I'm saying I love you, but.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you ever see that TV show Undercover Boss? Well, I'm starting one called Overcover Boss, where I am going to just shower you with praise because you're a beautiful little toddler, but you should be fired. So Brooks is like, well, the text message was warranted, yes, but it wasn't appropriate. So it was, like, triggering. Oh, God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Over it with your triggering. I want to fire you for saying it was triggering.

[Ben Mandelker]

You fucked up all the Gen Z words. So he's like. You said, I love you, and I want to make this work, but this frustration isn't worth it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't think that's mean. I did emphasize that I love you. And, you know, I mean, how many. How many planes have to go in the hangar before you say I love you back? I mean, I understand your vocabulary limited mainly to Goo goo and Gaga, but, you know, string them together, and you can emphasize and I can. I can still hear what you have to say.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, I saw a mo. A horror movie called Mama and it scared me. Oh, really? Well, it was starring me and I won an Oscar for it. Okay, cuz, I'm the best one you've got. Now come over here. I'm going to button my shirt. It's time for lunch. Oh, geez. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin commercial.

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So then Ariana's like, I'm living in New York City. New York City is so different from other cities. I'm obsessed with New York City. I love the smell of pee. Like they have sidewalks here, here. It's crazy. You walk places, there's cars on the road. New York.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's making like a little video that's like, this is how I put on makeup for my brand. And she's just like sitting on her toilet doing it. It's like the only good lighting she can get is if she straddles the toilet.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Ava getting her hair and makeup done for a photo shoot and she's like, yeah, I have to work for my money and pay my own bills. Which I don't know about that because Dame went broke and she had to move out of her $10,000 a month apartment. So I'm not sure how true this is, but I like Ava, so I'll go with it. And she says her dad is a serial entrepreneur and he's been pushing the idea of her being the boss of her own company. And also her mom's Rachel Roy. So you might think I'm just living off my parents, but that's just not the case for me. I'm living off the reputation of my parents. So that's free.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And then we have Georgia. She's like planning this big event. She's like, we have a photographer coming as well. It's like amazing. And then we go to Charlie and Dylan's apartment and they're like just kind of like, you know, being bros party. They're sleeping and whatever. And then we hear from Dylan and Dylan's like, yeah, before moving to New York City, I would say I was in bed most nights by midnight at 1. And you know, but now I've been going out a lot. I mean, I went to bed at 6:30am last night. I would see them like partying and everything. And he's saying how like living with Charlie's fun, but it's like too much. And then, and then we see what we think is just going to be like some stupid little thing where Charlie's like, hey, Georgia, it's like a text exchange. He's like, remember those speakers you borrowed? Are they retrievable? Cuz I'll just like, you know, do an Uber package or something. Get like for the caviar party. Can we do that? She's like, oh yeah, yeah, totally. Like, I'll just ask Cooper for the. Yeah, no problem. Like, I'll get.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll ask Cooper to ask Tara. Yeah, so don't worry about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't want to ask Tara specifically myself. I'll ask Cooper to ask Tara.

[Ronnie Karam]

Riley comes to what's her buns? The Soulsiak apartment. And Hudson is trying to light the oven, but he's trying to light the stove and she's like, have you ever been to the kitchen before? And they're like, no. This is like literally how you have to do it. You have to light the stove to light the oven. It's crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Guys. I have the same range as Ariana Biermann. I was like, really? That was like, hard for me. Hard for me to be like, wow. But that's the one. I think I've complained about it before. It's very, very fancy looking. And you think, wow, what a luxurious range. And it is the biggest pain in the ass. Like when they were trying to start that thing and they're trying to figure out, is it on, is it off? I felt for those kids because that is my daily life. You, like, you sit there goes. And then it lights up and then you check on it five minutes later and the fire's gone out. No, don't feel like operating today because, like, I got like a draft. I was like, no. And then it's like you don't know what temperature it is because it just sort of gives an approximation and you put your thermometers in there and like, is it hot? Is it at 350? Is it at 320? Is it at 400? You never really know. It's all very nice and fancy. It is a nightmare. Do not get a Bertazzoni ever, ever, ever, ever.

[Ronnie Karam]

A Bertazoni?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

They suck, I guess those things.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're fancy but annoying.

[Ronnie Karam]

Be easy, you know. I got one, it's not fancy it Samsung something. But I got. I have a gas range, you know, which I like because if the electricity goes out, at least you can, you know, grill a tortilla. But if the electricity goes out here, which it has, you can't turn the oven on anyway because it has an electric lighter. And even if you light it with a match, the gas won't come out unless it's been lit by the electric lighter. It's so stupid and fucked up. It makes me so mad.

[Ben Mandelker]

And the other thing about the Bertazzoni, because again, the. The house we got, it came with it. It's not like we're like, oh, let's get the Bertazzoni. Like, that just is what came. I was like, oh, my God, how n. And it looks all nice. And the inside of that oven is so small, you have to take out two racks in order to put in just a standard size Dutch oven. Like, it doesn't. A Dutch oven does not fit on like a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just.

[Ben Mandelker]

You just can't fit it in there. It's so tiny. It's so finicky. I cannot advocate against this oven more with my heart. So when I saw those kids, I was like, no, you guys deserve something like a crappy GE oven, not something like this. Please don't. Don't do this to yourselves.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah, well, they're. They're screwed, basically.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're talking about. What are they talking about? They're talking about how Ariana's feelings are hurt by Ava and Riley's like, yeah. She's always saying her mom picks out her outfit. So I was surprised she had something to say about you, because if your mom picks out your outfits, then you can't really, like, talk down on someone else. And Brook somewhere is like, how dare you?

[Ben Mandelker]

How dare you?

[Ronnie Karam]

My mom just put on these Oshkosh, and they fit, right? So basically she's like, yeah. I mean, even if you don't like the way I dress, it's not cool to, like, talk shit about my brand. I mean, there's gonna be hearts on jogging pants. Has anybody ever seen it? No. Mind your own business.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? Sometimes I'm sensitive about certain things, and this is something I've always wanted to do. I've always wanted to work in the fashion cut to two weeks ago, when Ariana and Hudson are, like, looking at fabrics, and they're like, is this alpaca? What is this? What is alpaca?

[Ronnie Karam]

Meanwhile, the knob of the stove comes off in Hudson's hand. He's like, which has happened to me. This has something to do with it. She's like, oh, my God. I'm in New York. I love New York. We have stoves in New York. This is crazy. This is, like a New York stove. So, I mean, as long I'm good, as long as I'm here, like, it's great, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

So I'm like, sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've been seeing. Right. It's a lot. I keep.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. I don't know if you get.

[Ronnie Karam]

Tell the oven.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just kind of, like, my mind wandered because I was thinking about that oven.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, so then we go to Ava meeting Charlie at Slutty Vegan, and she's like, so this is Slutty Vegan. Have you ordered from here before? And Charlie's like, yeah, I don't eat vegan burgers. She goes, yeah, well, we. We ordered it when my dad was here, but the owner told my dad, like, they can't really keep up with all three locations. So they asked him, could you take over this one and not Pay the rent. And so he like, yeah. So we need some help, though. You want to talk to my dad on FaceTime? Talk to him right now. Hey, Dad.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just want to say to everyone, like, I've had to work for every single thing I've ever gotten, including the random restaurant that was just given to me. I've had to work for this. Yeah. Just existing. So Dame is like, yo, are you ready to rock? Like, we could open it tomorrow if we want. You want to get down, Charlie? He's like, like, I'm down, yo. How can I help? He's like, what? And basically he's like, oh, if we need a liquor license, I'll just ask my dad for a loan. He'll say yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's so crazy. And I don't think a liquor license is just the money anyway. It's, like, a lot of paperwork. They're asking you for your expertise as a restaurant person because apparently his degree is in hospitality. He's like, I have a master's in hospitality management. Which is crazy because he's. His hospitality sucks. He's just, like, a user, a boozer, and a loser. And he's like, yeah, it's like a vague masters, and it's not where my passion lies, because, like, I mean, it's skateboarding, but, you know, it's like a masters to get my dad off my ass. So, yeah, it's basically where I'm gonna try and pull this liquor license from.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. See how that goes. So Ava is like, yeah, my dad always has people coming to him with different ideas, so I never know what's real or invalid. You know what I mean? And Charlie, like, yeah, sorry, hold on. I'm texting Georgia. She still has much. She still has my speakers. She's like, what do you mean? Yeah, she took my speakers weeks ago, and she hasn't returned them. And I've been asking her for days. I'm like, how can I be? How can I, like, lean into hospitality without speakers? Right? I want that shit, yo. It's annoying.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're not getting your liquor license until I get my speakers, okay? And so Ava's like, well, I feel like Georgia and you used to be besties. And he's like, yeah, but you remember when she would literally, like, live at my house? I mean, like, if Georgia was homeless, like, living on my couch, eating my scraps, and that was okay, but now I can't get my speakers back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Seriously? After all that I gave to her? So now we cut to Georgia and Omar, and they're Eating dinner at a restaurant, and Georgia is like, oh, my God, I would totally wear this outfit to my own wedding. He's like, yeah, I'm not gonna wear this. I'm gonna wear tux. Omar. He's just not jaded like everyone else from New York is. He's just sweet and optimistic, and I'm just not used to that. Have you looked at your own boyfriend? He looks like he's just emerged from, like, a knife fight on the subway. He's always like, this guy's jaded.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I like that he doesn't put on any airs. And he's like, hey, you guys got escargot? Yeah. Yeah. I don't even look at the menu. Just, like, boil up some snails.

[Ben Mandelker]

Goes, guess what happened today. What happened? So I rolled up to the venue today, like, right before the walkthrough, literally expecting to, like, meet the chef, meet the owner. Da, da da, da, da, da, da, da. And get this. It's all, like, cemented. And then we see Georgia showing up to this venue, which looks like just like a. Like a door to a house. And there's a sign on the door that's basically like, this place has been evicted. And she's like, what? Outrageous. Let's have an eviction theme party. It will be so hilarious. We could have kids kid and play, and if we can't get them and get some kid and play impersonators, and they can be on the ones and the twos, and we'll have past apps, like, I don't know, Stouffer's Mac and cheese Iconic.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're gonna have, like, a tent city caviar party. It's gonna be amazing. We're gonna have the carpet made of used needles. It's gonna be so good. Meredith is gonna love it. And we see the clip, and Meredith walks up and, like, look, Meredith. It's an eviction sign. And Georgia starts cracking up, and Meredith is like, oh, God damn you.

[Ben Mandelker]

This was supposed to be the debut American Marks cameo, so don't worry. It all worked out.

[Ronnie Karam]

She fixed it. So she's like. So he goes, yeah, you know, can we talk about the elephant in the room? And she starts looking up. She goes, oh, my God, not me. Looking for an actual elephant in the room. Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Omar. He goes, this whole thing was very unexpected. Yeah, for me too. I mean, first thing I noticed about you was the extroversion. I was immediately drawn to all the qualities you have that are just so far into who I am.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, oh, my God, my palm is sweating. Do not add soap to it. Do not add soap to it. I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, feel it. I'm like, I don't want to feel your germs in a sweaty state.

[Ronnie Karam]

Your swamp ass hand. Nobody needs it.

[Ben Mandelker]

What is the elephant in the room? He says, can we talk about the elephant in the room? Like, there's some sort of thing that happened, but all he's saying is, like, wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think he's saying we need to have the relationship talk, is what he's saying. Like, the elephant in the room is, are we boyfriend and girlfriend? So he's like, you know, like, you've cited reasons that you don't want to maybe close it off, but, like, I've known you for two months. Like, maybe I'm crazy. And she goes, well, the thing, like, I'm struggling with is, like, when you tell me I love you and that I know that you said that to some girl you knew for one day that you loved her. And, like, to me, that screams bullshit, Omar, you know? And, like, you know what I hate more than bullshit? Nothing. By the way, did I tell you about the party I threw for diplo in the McDonald's slide? It was amazing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. We had burlesque dancers, and we styled them all to look like dinah manoff in 1988. It was iconic.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you remember when Cats was going to come back to Broadway? And so I had a party for them that was ratatouille themed. That was gold.

[Ben Mandelker]

But we got Jasmine Guy to do the lead, and everyone loved it. So she. She's like. She says she has trust issues because her dad lived a secret life. So we're finding more about this crazy backstory. He had a secret life, and he basically bankrupted the company that he built with her mom and then took that money, money with, I guess, the other family and just left the family with nothing. So now she doesn't trust people.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah, she's very not trusting, which is why she's like, I won't say I love you, but I will go into business with you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I'm very not trusting, which is why when you lend me speakers, I'm not gonna give them back to you right away because I want you to not trust me in turn.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, but I didn't actually mean it when I said I love you to the other girl. She goes, but how do I know, like, you actually mean it now? He's like, cuz I said it as I ordered escargot she's like, that's not a terrible point. It's not a terrible point. So he's like, I did mean it. I do love you. And she goes, okay. But, like, you know, I haven't seen anyone else since we started talking. Like, I'm not like a sl. Not that there's anything wrong with being a horror slut. I just chose, like, a different path. And, like, I'm doing it. And you know what? Whenever I do it, I have the best sound quality to back me up. I'm sorry, did I say that on camera?

[Ben Mandelker]

I. When I commit to something, I am in it whole hog. So, for instance, if I come across some speakers, I'm going to hold on to them for as long as I possibly can because I commit to things. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, okay, well, we have some things to work out, but I'm not going anywhere, and I want to work on it. She goes, yeah, yeah. So then we go to George and Danny prepping for the caviar party, and people are coming, and they're putting out caviar and all that. So Charlie comes in and, well, he calls Georgia. So he's like, hey, Queen. Just calling because I really would like to get my speaker back. It's like, oh, babe, babe. Wow, you're really talking about your speaker a lot lot, right? Yeah. Cooper knows about it. He heard about it from Jan, who was called by Lucy. So we're gonna get it back to you in the next couple of days possibly. But, like, now's not the time to be asking about your speaker. I'm in a Burger King putting on a caviar party.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's like, no, but I need it right now because I'm having people over. Okay, relax. Because you literally asked me, like, yesterday to do this, and I need at least three months to be able to pick up speakers from my living room and put them in my bag. Okay? So we will get it to you very soon. Your request has been processed, but it has not cleared yet. We need five to 1,000 business days. Okay. Because Meredith is here. I gotta go.

[Ronnie Karam]

So people arrive and Seth runs into Teresa and Louie, and he goes, wow, look at you two. God. Who's older between the two of you? Says, actually, me. My two years is. He's a Taurus, I'm a Taurus. You know, fourth and fourths go together. Am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't need these people on this show anymore. They have served their purpose. They've transitioned us into a new series. They can leave now. I do not need to see Seth on this series anymore. He needs to go. Teresa's fine. She's been sort of like, she comes in and out. But I cannot deal with. With Seth asking these questions, trying to have a moment, trying to be funny, trying to launch his podcast again through, like, building a Persona. It has to end.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I show this.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, the show is. The kids are so much more compelling. And every moment that we spend with the adults, whether or not I like the adults on their respective franchises, is taking away from making this show grow and be as good as it possibly can be. I firmly believe that the only time we should see the adults adults is if they are lecturing their children, like Anwar and later on Candy Burris. But I don't want to see the adults, like, palling around with the kids. This is like destroying. Destroying the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

I cannot be the only person who is dying to see how Seth's pansexual story is going to pan out.

[Ben Mandelker]

How is it that I am more invested in Charlie's speakers than I have been? And really, anything that Seth has ever done on the Real Housewives, that's pretty good.

[Ronnie Karam]

But you know what? I will also say, I don't know a lot about astrology, but I do know that Tauruses do not belong with Tauruses. You know, that is like the most volatile sign. It's like bulls. That's a. You don't put two bulls together.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I think Tauruses belong with Elantros. We're talking about Taurus, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Seth is like, no way. How do Tauruses get along on an intimate level? Guys, let's talk about. About this. Can I. Can I sex coach ya? And Louie's like, no complaints here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, we do it. Tortoises and tortoises. So then we get to Meredith, like, she's doing. Getting photos done and everything. And Amira is there and Charlie. They're. They're. They're. They start talking about going to see the. Going to the box. The box is getting a lot of mentions on Bravo lately after Lexi Wood and her family went there and had some fun. And it's been mentioned on some other shows. So they're gonna go get. They're gonna go to the box, they're gonna get a table. And Amira's like, I mean, I can pitch in like, 15 or 2 grand. 1500 or 2 grand for it, whatever. And they're all looking at like, yeah, let's go. Let's throw in some money. It's gonna be a Lot. But, like, we can do it. And Amir is like, the box is the most iconic New York club. It's very difficult to get into. And, like, it's the worst one. Suddenly, like, this random, like, mom is there. Like, why is she showing up all the time? It's very expensive, and we're always there.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, they all, like, going to this, like, Instagram sex club together. So Charlie is now talking to Georgia, and he's like, yeah, we're gonna get a table if you want to split it with us. And she's like, you think I'm gonna pay to go out in New York City? Like, that's nuts. Like, I literally. I'm from here here, so, yeah, I'm.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not gonna do that. And then, like, where's Ava, by the way? Ava just texted to say she's gonna come. She's like, what? She's like, a block away. Like, it's. We're wrapping up. We've, like, this is gonna be over in, like, 20 minutes. Like, why isn't she coming? It's raining, so she doesn't want to walk one block. She's literally on the same street.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, commercial.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Seth brings over Shy, their friend Shy. Shy's like, okay, guys, I'm leaving. Just wanted to say thanks for having me. He's like, all right. See, who are you friends with? Brooks, Chloe. You gay? You bi? You like. You like dick in your face? Tell me about it. You like women and dick? Is that pans? You want to be pans with me? Come on, let's do it. Show me how to do it. Come sit on daddy's lap. You want me to sit on your lap? We can do this lots of different ways. Anal. Let's talk about analysis. Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. You know, I feel like Seth has made such progress. Like, season one of Salt Lake City, he was just, like, the worst. And he was. He had some rough seasons there, but he got better and better and better. And then we've all grown to like Seth. I think this show is a massive regression for him. I. I don't. I just. I can't sit through these scenes with him, like, just trying to, like, down with the kids, and they're all like.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it's, like, so cute. He's just a dad trying to, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Relate to his kids. It's like. I mean, it is very dad shy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, I just want to be a pants. Okay. How do I do that? You know? Switch hitting. You know, baseball. You don't. Are you gay? You gay? Are you pants? Am I allowed to say that, honey? Am I allowed to say it? All right, just tell me where you like the dicks, okay? I'll take them wherever. I'm here. I'm just here for the kids. Whatever you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ava arrives meanwhile, and Brooks goes and says hi to her. And Ariana says, ava sent me a text saying I would never look down or speak bad about a woman trying to start a business. Well, you did. And I don't hate Ava. I just think that she said what she said spoke volumes about who she is, unlike my fashion, which apparently doesn't speak volumes about my desire to be a fashion designer, but whatever.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Ava comes over to say hi to her and Gia, and they hug, and they're like, you missed the caviar. And Gia's like, yeah, I. Like, I'll always be a little late to something, but, like, Ava, like, this is. Is so late. It's, like, so late.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we cut to Riley and Charlie, and they're still working on reserving a table at the Box, and Riley's like, I feel like it's not bad. Four people for 1200. If we're all splitting it. Was it 1200? Was it 12,000? I think it was 12,000. I don't know. They. I could be wrong.

[Ronnie Karam]

The point is they're spending a lot of money.

[Ben Mandelker]

That makes sense.

[Ronnie Karam]

They go and they do bottle service, which, you know, is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they're all thousands of dollars. Four people for 1200. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So she's like, yeah, Charlie likes nightlife, but, like, I'm gonna do it because it's gonna be my last hurrah for the summer. So they all decide to go, and Amira, or. Yeah, Amir was like, you know, hearing the comments that Ava made to Ariana at Chloe's birthday party definitely put a bad taste in my mouth. Like, there's a sense of entitlement there. Like, give it a rest. So they go to the box, and we get commercial, and then we come back, and it's the next day, and Riley's meeting Candy and Todd and the kids at a rooftop pool. And she's like, I'm so tired.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, they all say hi and everything. It's nice to see Candy. Love Candy. And Todd's.

[Ronnie Karam]

It is really nice to see Candy. I'm missing it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Really? Is it. Is it Riley's?

[Ronnie Karam]

Riley saying Atlanta was not having its best seasons in her final few seasons. Probably two or three at least. But, man, I miss her, and I miss her charism. On that show, she's very so.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's so grounded and so real. And I think that's what I like about this. We have Seth, where Seth, I feel like, is being really performative on camera. So to have Candy, who's just like, I'm just here to check in on my daughter. And she's like, are you like, Riley's saying, this city is so taxing. She's like, well, why do you want to stay here? She's like, well, if I go to Atlanta, I'll be in your shadows. And Todd's like, I get that when I'm in Atlanta, people like, aren't you Candy's husband? But when I'm in New York, people say, who are you? It's a subtlety, but I like it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So he's like, so you know what. What's going on in your friend group? You know that guy you had a problem with? And she goes, oh, now he's mad at me because we went out and he said, let's split a table because we went to the box, you know? So then Charlie comes and brings, like, 10 girls, and I had nowhere to sit. And I'm like, charlie, you've got all these girls. Like, we don't have space. You guys are drinking all the alcohol. I mean, literally 1942 bottles. So it wasn't cheap. And Candy's like, I'm paying for 1942 bottles.

[Ben Mandelker]

She was like, what? And she's like, well, I paid them. She's like, how much was it? It's like 14,000. She's like, 14,000?

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, you know, it's her. She starts hitting her. She's like, I'm not.

[Ben Mandelker]

As she should have. As she should have. Okay. Ridiculous. Outrageous.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So her part was 17 or 7,000. And Amira is going to split that in half. But that's such bullshit. And Charlie is that guy who's like, let's split it. And then we show up and I'll bring 10 people to drink off our tab and charge you guys for it. No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. That is such. That is such bullshit. I also just want to say real quickly, before they start talking about this and before Ariana showed. Showed up, that Candy is like, so what do you want to do with your life, Riley? And she goes, I want to be a dj. And the look that Candy gives her is like, I put all my time and energy into raising you and giving you all the resources so you could do something with your life. And you want to be a dj. I loved it. I Loved her. Just extreme disappointment in that moment.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my gosh. So then we go. Yeah, then we go to Charlie, who's speaking of disappointments. Charlie's just skateboarding around town and he's on the phone with Anwar and he's like, dad, just let me finish the pitch before I say. Before you say? No, it's like, oh, you pitch now. Oh, really? Because last time I saw you with a ball, it was constantly being dropped, okay? I've never seen you catch anything in your life pitching. Give me a break. Oh, you're gonna get a touchdown now. Good luck with that.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, dad, listen, I just need some stuff for my house, okay? I need patio furniture, silverware. I need to pay people to hang TVs. You know, my point being is, can you just add $5,000 to the loan? Oh, yeah, why don't you add five pounds to your weight weightlifting rack so you can have better body like your roommate.

[Ronnie Karam]

What a loser. Skateboarding around town. You're getting 10 grand a month and you're still calling daddy for more money to get Craigslist to come hang a tv. Loser.

[Ben Mandelker]

This guy is pathetic. So then Dylan is there. You can see Dylan's starting to really hate Charlie. And he's like. He's like, man, I've never been on the east side. Have you? Can you skate over here? And Charlie's like, yeah. It's like, wow. By the way, did Riley pay for last night out? I want to know if she paid for the table. And Charlie goes, no, she did. I mean, I assume that's why she felt entitled enough to say she doesn't want our money. Which I wasn't mad at, by the way. That's for sure. I was like, say less.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's weird. So she denied his money. That's weird.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, yeah, bro. Like Hudson had to eat an eight thousand dollar charge because Riley was like, we don't need your money. And Hudson's like, I want some of that money. Come on now.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I guess Riley was probably mad at Charlie and was like, I guess it was like some weird flight. I don't know what it was. I would not have. I would, would not have not made Charlie.

[Ronnie Karam]

I also don't believe Charlie. So we'll see how this plays out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, you think that Charlie maybe told his friends? Like, yeah, apparently I didn't have to pay because. Because Riley said she's cover everything. So that way he doesn't know like his lies.

[Ronnie Karam]

Or she. He was probably saying like, I'll pay for it. And she's like, it's not about the money. And he's like, okay, then I'm not gonna pay it. I mean, I don't know. I just don't trust Charlie, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then until about how hard it is to be friends with all these trust fund babies, you know? And he's like, it's fine until I get stuck with the bill. I mean, this guy owes me money too, you know? And Charlie's like, yeah, I mean, like, we've been spending a lot of money, but, like, I'm close to as happy as I could be, though, frankly. Yeah, so. Yeah, you do. You are. You don't have to do anything, Charlie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Dylan's like, yeah, I just want Charlie to have a goal. Have something that, like, he's excited about. Like, I don't know, like, maybe you can do foot content for OnlyFans. Or, like, I don't know, we could do some shower jerk off thing. It's just like, he needs to come up with an angle. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, literally having this conversation with Charlie. Do you think it was easy coming. Coming five times today? No, but I did it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Barely even move my hand right now. Jesus Christ.

[Ben Mandelker]

Charlie's like, wow. All this talk about having to get our together is a lot. Let's go home and play Xbox. Okay, bye.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then we go to some of the other kids having dinner, and Charlie is texting Georgia about the speaker still. And Brooks is like, oh, my God, seeing you with the phone is, like, weirding me out. She goes, really? Like, I like this new look for me, honestly. Because. Yeah, because, like, Georgia didn't have a phone for a month, so it was really rough. She's.

[Ben Mandelker]

She spent a month after that first episode without a phone. And we see her in a club with a laptop. Like, why do you have your laptop? She's like, because that way I can text my man. And then it turns out that she didn't just. I don't think she was looking for her phone. And she finally looked under her bed, and there was her phone. Phone. I like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's selling herself as this workaholic professional that goes a month without a phone. Come on, now.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Brooks is like, has anyone found out where Ava is? I was like, yeah, it was at the Hamptons. And Charlie has Covid. And. Yeah. Covet or something. He got it from one of the girls. He brought one of the seven girls, y'.

[Ronnie Karam]

All.

[Ben Mandelker]

Charlie's harem of women. And so then they basically Start talking shit about Charlie, which is great because he needs to be talked. Talked about in this way.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So they're basically like, what's the fuck, Charlie? Charlie's showing up with 10 people and having us all, you know. You know, pay for these people. And then we find out. Kevin goes, yeah. And then he was like, no, no, I don't have a card, so I'll, like, Apple pay, whatever. So, yeah, you really tried to. You really tried to pay, huh? So George is like, yeah. I mean, is this, like, more exotic stuff? Like, what the. And Amir's like, well, I don't want to add to the fire, but he did the same thing to me in the Hamptons. And so now talking, they find out that he owes everybody money. And he owes his friend Dylan, who's not a trust fund kid, four grand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this kid Dylan has, like, that's a lot of money to cover for someone. And, like, again, Dylan's just like, a guy. Was he from, like, the Midwest? Like, a wrestler from the Midwest? He's doing only fans. Like, Charlie is so awful. Like, he is so vile. Like, you're both a rich kid, but you actually don't come with any of the perks of being a rich kid. You actually still use other people and you owe people money while being a rich kid. Like, that is. You can't be both. Like, if you're gonna be the rich kid, you gotta have the money to. To back it up.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's on the phone begging this dad for an extra five grand, which, you know, he's not gonna use to pay anybody back. Little asshole.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then George is like, I know how much his dad gives him per month. Like, I know the number. Number so far. It's like, how much? Well, I'm not gonna say. I'm not gonna say. I'm actually, like, getting worried that something's going on. It's like, a little concerning. Like, I don't know if you guys have heard about this, but, like, there's a chance that there may be a rich kid in New York City who might have a drug problem. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's drinking and treating 10 girls to bottles of 1942 and doing a lot of coke. So. So Brooks is like, yeah, I remember when I was like, how are you feeling about your 30th? Any got so weird and defensive, and he's like, amira's almost the same age as me. I'm not the oldest. She goes, how dare you? How dare you? I'm not the same I'm like 22.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I mean, 27, but whatever. So then they're like, by the way, Brooks, you have a big birthday coming at the big two. Five. He's like, yeah, the birthday for me is horrible. I mean that like midst of a quarter life crisis. Cuz, like, being 25 is just a reminder that like, then I'm 50 and then I'm 100 and then I die.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like in double this amount of time, my mom's gonna expect me to like, start eating mashed up food.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Gia's like, I feel like we should do something fun. I know I'm constantly talking about the Jersey Shore, but like, why don't we do the Jersey Shore? And you know, they're all like, you know, Brooks was about to be like, guys, let's go to the Hamptons. So Jersey Shore, great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can I just tell you, nobody except Amira in this group. Or Ariana. Not Amira. Ariana is like, wow, that sounds fun. Everybody else is like, gross.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, Georgia goes, oh my God, that'd be so fun. But Georgia, Georgia is only saying that because she's like, that's so ironic. In camp, like, I'll be like, we totally went to the Jersey Shore. We had like a Jersey Shore, Jersey Shore park party. Did we skip the part where Georgia was talking about, like with Danny? They're talking about concepts. She goes, guys, why don't we have like a birthday party themed? Birthday party? Yeah, it kind of like bowling and it kind of like streamers. It'll be like birthday party themed, but it'll be a birthday party.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we could have like balloons. So a birthday party? No, birthday party themed. We can have like a cake. We could sing. It's gonna be crazy. That'll be $19,000. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

You.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Brooks, Ariana and Shy sewing. And Ariana's like, oh, my God, I'm in New York. It's like amazing. New York is crazy. I'm in my 20s and the 20s is about like finding yourself. And I'm finding myself in New York.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's great. It could be hard sometimes, but like, you're supposed to feel like you have it all figured out. It's amazing. Now hold on. I'm going to go into my studio to do more content on my toilet. So then we go to go to Brooks and he's like, this is why it's so important to be in New York. Because the city has everything for you to figure out what it is you want to do and who you want to be? Yeah. Like, what's the craziest thing you learned about yourself? I learned that I was attracted to men. I was like, it took. It took New York City to pry that out of you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. You were late to that party. But he's like, yeah, I've learned that I. I need shy to sew everything for me because it's still literally happening. So they're like, yeah, you have to go to New York in your 20s. Your life is over. So then people are moving along.

[Ben Mandelker]

He does some weird. He has some, like, high tech hula hoop. He's like, I love the hula hooping. It's like a weird, like, hula hoop simulation. And it's like this thing on a string that goes around your waist and it goes flying off his side onto the wall. I was like, you have one job.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just looking at him like, oh, my God, I'm dating. This is what I'm doing to be close to Meredith Marks. He looks so silly in this thing because he's, like, bent over and he's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just like.

[Ronnie Karam]

His boyfriend's so cute. Love you. Call me. So then Omar and Georgia are walking around and they're making a list about their meeting. He's like, I brought the whiteboard. She like, that. That is so big. He's like, but I love you. Stop. So then Charlie texts and he's like, please, please, please. Uber package speakers immediately.

[Ben Mandelker]

I need the speakers. I need the speakers for the. No people who are coming over. Come on, dude, I need your speakers.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so the producer is like, selling that to put up his nose or some shit.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why would someone who's getting 10 grand a month need. You can go get a freaking echo for 20 bucks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this guy's ridiculous. So the producer says, can you just explain the fucking producer the. The speaker thing? And he's like, okay, here's what happened. I mean, she actually asked everyone, hey, can someone please bring a speaker? And I went out of my way to say, hey, I have one. Let me bring it for the party. And we see footage of her getting the speaker, and she has an excuse, and she's like, I can't get it back to you today. The next I hit her up, she's like, I like, can I. Can I get my speaker back? And she still won't do it. Now he's right. Like, this is. If you. I can't stand people who are like this. If you loan them something and then they will not give it back to you. Like, she is totally that person. And those people drive me nuts and I can't stand it. But in this case, I'm totally down for her. Make him nuts about the speaker.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, cuz it's Charlie, you know, but he is right. That's rude. And then we see, don't we see her around the speakers? She's like, yeah, like these speakers. Like we see a clip of speakers or something. And then he goes. And then the next day I hit her up and say, can I get my speaker back? And we see a flashback. And she's like, Charlie, like the thing is, you keep asking me about your speaker. Like super last minute.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I called you the day before. You know, Charlie spends his days smoking weed and skateboarding and watching south park and then going to a club at night. Like that's a typical day in Charlie's life. And like sometimes instead of skateboarding, he'll ride his electric scooter. And I'm lucky I fell into a career that I love doing because I don't think Charlie has come even close. He doesn't even. He doesn't need to figure that out. He gets an allowance from his dad every month. Like the only thing is like Charlie turning 30 and I think that changes things for people. And I don't know, I'm not 30 yet, but I would imagine it does. So that's my way of saying he doesn't deserve his speakers back until he gets a job.

[Ronnie Karam]

Speakers because he's going through a middle life crisis cuz he's old. So I'm not playing into that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Yeah. And Dylan's talking about now Dylan's saying like, yeah, I got to go on my grind. I got to get back to work. Got to be more focused. Okay. I don't want to be one of those people who has potential and squandered it because I had this stupid rich kid from like a movie who ruined me. So. Bye.

[Ronnie Karam]

And as we, as everybody talks about Charlie, we just see him skateboarding down the streets. Pathetic. Likely he thinks he looks all cool, but it looks so sad, you know? So then George and Danny are having lunch and she's like, I'll have a Shirley Temple, ironically. Thanks. Oh, should I have asked for that spiked? That would be crazy. That's like Daniel Gen Z in New York. Like, who else would do that except Gen Z?

[Ben Mandelker]

Totally. Georgia. Honestly, that'll be like a really good idea. Like a cool idea for an event like children's food, but put it on its head. Like put alcohol and children's food. Should we have alcoholic kids food. I love it.

[Ronnie Karam]

We should get kids drunk. Just like face drunk.

[Ben Mandelker]

And this is where Georgia says we should have a birthday themed birthday party. Like a ball pit, a bouncy castle, a birth, a big sheet cake. You know what I mean? Like, that's just a birthday party, but fine.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Charlie comes and he's like, yeah. Hey, guys, Ava and I are talking about doing some at this vegan restaurant that is that her dad wants us to make into a club or something. Yeah. She's like, oh, really? Why are you involving us? Like you literally do nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, honestly, Georgia, I'm regretting the more more that I involve you in my life these days, quite frankly. She goes, yeah, I feel the same way. And she's like, dude, you got your speaker back. Like, what's the deal? It's like, yeah, I did. But the disrespect and your lack of caring about that speaker, it is unforgivable.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She goes, you're immature. And he's like, dude, shut the up. Seriously. Like, I'm not going to sit here and listen to this dude. Like, the world doesn't revolve around you. We had an agreement, okay? By Monday speakers. By Monday. You broke it. You broke it. And she's like, yeah, you call me when we're setting up for Meredith's event. So you didn't so much as apologize.

[Ben Mandelker]

You didn't even apologize. You got mad at me for wanting it back.

[Ronnie Karam]

You were being absurd. Almost as absurd as a Gen Z person ordering a Shirley Temple.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you literally didn't do so much as I saying I'm sorry. You're a stupid, delusional. Georgia. You're a stupid, delusional.

[Ronnie Karam]

What is wrong with him? How was. I'm shocked that when we see his parents that he was even raised. I mean, can we get a nanny or somebody to yell out? Where did he learn to talk to women? This guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well. Well, this is someone who just gets berated by his parents all the time. Probably for good reason, because he has done nothing with his life. And so then that. That makes him feel stupid. So he takes it out on people who are close to him. I'm sure. And so that's what he's doing here. Plus, he's probably on coke.

[Ronnie Karam]

So if I was friends with Georgia, I would give her one of those little machines with but like one of those little keychain things with different buttons. And then every time you press it, there's a different sound effect that comes out. And I would Just fill it with Anwar quotes like you're a stupid Georgia. Oh really? You're the stupid little ass who doesn't even remember what floors used to stop on before it went to penthouse. Stupid, stupid. You got pun. You got puns right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey Charlie, just want to let you know Georgia gave me your speakers. Hahaha. Try to get them. You could retrieve them if you remember what Floyd was on.

[Ronnie Karam]

What are you. You get money from your dad like 10 grand a month? Because you're pathetic and you never had to work a day in your life. He goes, yeah, guess what? You're dirt poor. Dirt poor. Oh really?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh really?

[Ronnie Karam]

She's dirt poor, huh? How come you need speakers? Because you can't even speak stupid. Nobody even knows what you're saying, dumb face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Quiet keychain Georgie. You're here because of me. Well, you can't. You're going to call me dirt poor? Are you serious? Just cuz I have dirty palms doesn't mean I'm dirty poor.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like the fact that I have to work for a living bothers you? Goes yeah, you're here because you're on this TV show because of me. She's. You're fucking pathetic. You're almost 30. You're a joke. Hold on. Boop. I would rather get my nut sack stuck in jean zipper again and then ever look at your stupid face. I regret the moment. Spam and never came out of me and hit the egg. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

Look at you. So pathetic that you have to have arguments with dirt poor people instead of other rich people. You're sad.

[Ronnie Karam]

Poop. If you wanted to argue with rich people, we had plenty of them to raise you that you could call stupid. Don't do this in public, you loser. Bloop.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, why do you have so much oil and vinegar there at your table? Too much. Don't need it on your salad, dude.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now you're fat. Stupid talking to poor Persona.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bloop. Why do you have such poor people? Condiments. I raise you to have better condiments.

[Ronnie Karam]

So he goes, yeah, you know what? If, if I was your man, I would slap you. And she's like, what does that even. Why does it have to get to violence, Charlie? God, everyone hates you, Charlie. You dig your own grave, Danny.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sitting there like no one.

[Ronnie Karam]

You won't even need a grave because you'll be flat flattened all over the front of a subway train when I push you into it. Stupid head.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, poor Charlie. You know when he dies someday he wants his ashes scattered at sea too. Bad, cuz I'm getting mine scattered at ocean. Just a little bit bigger. Sorry, you lose.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Charlie leaves. These two really went at it. I mean, this was crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

My God. Vicious.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Georgia does not even skip a beat. She's like, whatever. What a loser.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. And Danny is like, oh, my God, that was a lot. Wait, should we have a rich kid theme party? I think that'd be great. This was actually. This fight was so nasty. And it's exactly what we think of when we think of, like, the rich kids in New York City having these kind of fights. Like, this is. I was like, this cannot be real. Like, this was. And I don't. I'm not. I'm not doubting the authenticity of it. I'm like, I just can't believe it.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, this is like, real, but good for Georgia. She went right toe to toe with that guy and didn't give a. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

She shut him down.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's the guy who gets mean with everybody because he's insecure or whatever. And she does not give a fuck. She's like, I can go toe to toe with you.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, literally a stereotype from some poorly written movie about rich kids in New York City. Like, he really does say the things that you don't really think rich kids would. Would really say, but he's. He actually is saying it. Like, anytime you see those movies where it's like. Like the rich bully who's like, whatever. You're just like, poor. You're like, people. Even the rich kids don't really say that, but actually it turns out maybe they do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Really, really, really gross. Which of the. I guess he's not part of the Brat Pack. I'm trying to think of the 80s actor he reminds me of. He. I thought he was in the Brat Pack, but he's not. He's not. Anthony Michael Hall. Emilio Rob Lowe. Andrew McCarthy is none of those.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's a little bit like Emilio. Just a little bit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but it was blonde. And he always played the villain in those movies. Like a preppy villain.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, he's famous now. He was in. He had his own detective show. Oh, God, it's gonna make me cry. I'll come up. Yes, it was Monk. He's so Monk right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was not Anthony Michael hall as his own detective show. He's famous now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, for a while he had that show where the girl worked in the FBI and he was like. It was like a Silence of the Lambs rip off. And he Was.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, James Spader.

[Ronnie Karam]

James Spader.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

He would be played by James Spader in the 80s.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he would be. Good call.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you for that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Fucking crazy all day. Thank you so much for being you.

[Ben Mandelker]

And how dare you erase James Spader from the Brat Pack. He totally was part of the Brat Pack.

[Ronnie Karam]

He was. Well, I didn't erase him, but Google did.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know he is very much a part of that whole group.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought he was, but he was not included on the Google. Okay, so Danny is still. Danny's like, oh, my God, that was next level. What type of speaker was it? She goes, it was like some $200 Bose speaker. What a loser.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, you pretty much just get that at the supermarket. Is like next to the Reese's Pieces peanut butter cups, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

God, Georgia is still going to like calling me poor. Like, I pay my own rent. If you didn't have daddy's money, you'd be on the street tomorrow. Like, wow, crypto trader. He's probably made $300, okay. He brings girls out, doesn't have his own credit card because he can't. And then he has other people cover the bills. That guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, you would have thought like, you know, you his brother or something. She's like, yeah, like, literally, like. Like his mom. Yeah. Like, fucked his dad. Yeah, like, fucked his aunt. Yeah. Fucked his uncle. Yeah, like, fucked his cousin. Are there any other family members left to fuck? No, I don't think so. Okay. We did a good job with that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Fuck this maid. I wouldn't go that far. I'm not that poor. And Danny's like, that was so unreal. I'm putting it on the grid. She goes, yeah, like, literally insane. I'm done with that human. I'm done.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's gonna be great for Charlie to watch this back and see how his friends, like, when they talk shit about him, they really, really go in like, yeah, he doesn't do anything. He's like. He's just. He just lies around, but he won't hear it. Of course. He'll just be like, they're all just jealous because they're boy. They don't understand.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, good times.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, thanks everyone for being here. Have a great long weekend and we will catch you next week. Bye, everyone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bye, all.

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