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Ronnie Caram
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Ben Mandelker
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Ronnie Caram
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Hunter Harris
That happens?
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Ben Mandelker
Hello and welcome to Watch what Crap Ins a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we love to talk about. But sometimes it's not just Bravo. Sometimes it's Peacock, too. And today it's a very special episode. Our sweet, sweet, sweet Ronnie Caram is. Is not here today because he's having his eyes done. Very exciting. I'm Ben Mandelker, by the way, and in his place is the one and only Hunter Harris, who is one of the co hosts of Let Me say this podcast and also writer of Hung up on Substack. Hunter, thank you so much for joining us here today.
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Hunter Harris
Thank you. I'm so excited. I am dying to talk about Love Island.
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Ben Mandelker
Well, you're in luck because that's exactly what we're going to do. We're going to have a Love island state of the union. Now, normally, our Love island content, we do all our. All of our recaps all season have been on Patreon, but this one's actually going on the Crappin's main feed because we feel like it's, you know, the finale is this Sunday and we need to, like, stop and assess, take a breather and get a lay of the land right off the bat. Let's talk about favorites. I feel like I know who your favorite is just from seeing you on Instagram. And I feel like we're going to. We're going to. We're going to have to talk about this because I think your favorite is not my favorite.
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Hunter Harris
Oh, listen, I've had this.
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Ben Mandelker
Who are you stanning?
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Hunter Harris
I've had the same conversation 50 times this season. What can I say? I love Ace. I know. Boo. Hiss, tomato, tomato. No, Ace is a comedian. First, second, and third. It's not Love Island. It's truly Ace running that island as if he's the landlord. And I love it.
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Ben Mandelker
He definitely is running that island. Like, whether you like him or don't like him, he really has everyone kind of. I'm not even gonna say wrapped around his finger because that implies that they're actually doing anything that requires choirs being wrapped around a finger, but, like, because they're just lounging around. But he really does seem to be the one that they're all going to for, like, advice and thoughts and, you know, like, he's like the wise elder, which is wild because he's like, 21 or something like that.
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Hunter Harris
Yeah, the wise elder at 22 years old. But I. I mean, I don't know. I. This is only my second Love island season, but I'm. I'm such a, like, Bravo Survivor Girl. So I. When I see Ace, like, truly positioning himself in every main scene at all times and kind, you know, making, like, allyships and building coalition, we can say I recognize that behavior because really, Ace is, like, in the middle of a lot of big storylines this season, whether it's, like, him and Amaya, Amaya and Austin, Huda and Jeremiah. Even in Nickelandria, Ace is kind of, like, in the background telling, Nick, I think you should go over her. I think this. I could see this working. And then in addition to that, Ace, I don't know if you noticed, but, like, everyone who does, like, an exit interview after they leave the villa, they all said that they think that strongest couple is Ace and Shelley. And I think that says a lot.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. I mean, it's so funny because you mentioned that Ace is in the middle of the storylines of, like, Amaya and Huda and Jeremiah. I'm like, you know, he was, like, a terrible part of those storylines. He was, like, the villain in those stories. He was, like, the bad part of those stories, right? Like, he was a total hater and kicked off Jeremiah. Like, that's undeniable. Yeah, he was like. And he was so cruel to Amaya. That was a big turning point for me because I was on. I was. I was Ace Rising at that point. You know, I was like, you know what? The season started, I thought he was going to be just, like, terrible. I thought he was gonna be a total fuck boy. I thought he was going to just, like every new bombshell that would come in, he would just, like, drop him, leave for the next one. I thought he was going to be awful. And then I was like, wait a second, he's not like that. And I started to like him. And, you know, he is so darn cute. He is so cute.
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Hunter Harris
He's so cute.
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Ben Mandelker
Like, he, like, the camera loves him. He is adorable. But so I Was like, oh, my God, I think I like Ace. And then he was so mean to Amaya. I have not been able to get over that. I think it was so above and beyond cruel.
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Hunter Harris
Okay, I. I see what you're saying, and I understand. I'm listening and I'm learning. But can I say I feel like, yes, Ace was, you know, quite cruel to Amaya's face. However, look at how Zach treated her. Look at how Austin treated her. And Ace was the one in that mailbag, like, staying on business, sort of calling it a challenge is honestly crazy. In that activity where he says to Austin, you were feeling this way about Amaya for days and didn't say a word. To her face, you were telling all the guys a different story, but to her, you were saying, like, okay, like, whatever, like, begrudgingly say next to her and Zach. Zach with a K, who is. I was like, he's gonna, like, break up, like, shake up the villa because he's so hot. But then I saw those, like, like, big veneers, and I was like, maybe not. But even Zach was, like, days. Oh, truly. And even, like, I thought his tattoos were so hot. But anyway, I digress. But Zach was, like, acting like he was into Maya, and then all of a sudden, in front of everyone, switched up and was like, actually, the babe stuff is too much. That, like, affection is too much. And Ace was the only one who was at least willing to, like, not lead her, string her along, which I didn't handle it in the best way. But also, I don't think he handled it in the worst way.
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Ben Mandelker
Okay. I mean, mom, right now, I feel like, sure, he can get credit for being, like, upfront and honest. I don't. Sometimes I actually think that, like, honesty is, like, slightly overrated. I think there's, like, something. I think there is something about, like, you know, if you have a choice between being, like, sort of dishonest and, like, not hurting someone's feelings versus being, like, honest, but it's gonna be, like, incredibly cruel. I don't know. I'm like. I don't. I don't know if that was, like, a huge, like, win for the honesty camp. However, I do think.
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Hunter Harris
No, I mean, the worst. The worst, like, PR rep for honesty, I'm gonna say, is, like, Bethany Frankel and Ramona Singer, do people who are always honest, and you're like, wait, but no, we don't actually need honesty all.
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Ben Mandelker
The time, you know? But that being said, I think that, like, Ace, Austin, and Zach were, like, literally, like, they each Were, like, so flawed about their approaches to Amaya, which is why I'm so happy that she has found Brian, because I feel like she finally has found someone who just, like, appreciates, like, the way she talks and, like, her emotions and how she moves. Like. Like, it was. It was just wild. I felt like she was being shamed so much in that villa, and I kind of felt like it all started with Ace. But. But you are right, he was. Ace was upfront in a way that Austin never was. And by the way, thank God Austin is out of that. That villa because I could not deal another day with that voice.
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Hunter Harris
The Voice. But also, I'm like, who. Who are you here with? Like, who are you here for? It was always so nonsensical that he was still in the Villa because he had no real connection to anyone.
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Ben Mandelker
No one. And, like, he had, like, a little bit the Shelley triangle in the beginning of the season. He just was, like, floating around like a plastic bag in the ocean, and it was just. He was just there for way, way too long. I mean, realistically, I think we can all agree he should have been voted out instead of Jeremiah during that pivotal, pivotal, you know, vote off ceremony.
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Hunter Harris
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But I. I think my favorite thing about that vote is that all season, Jeremiah had thought that he and Nick were like, boys. Like, that they, like, were really good friends because he even told Huda, like, I need to tell someone. I need you to tell someone that you're a mom. I want to talk to someone about this. And my closest friend is Nick. Meanwhile, Nick in that vote was like, ace is my guy. I'm sorry. Ace says you need to go, so you need to go. And also, Nick. Nick coming out that Nick Trul again and again, like, just cannot stand Huda and always is, like, voting for Will look at her in her face and vote her off at every opportunity is so funny to me.
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Ben Mandelker
And then. But he'll, like, have these moments where he'll pull her aside and almost play the role of, like, a caring friend who just can be honest and, you know, level with her. And then he will go around and just be like. Like, he'll be like, yeah, I'm going to vote you off yet again. It's sort of a weird dynamic. By the way, going back to Ace, how did you feel about during the stand on business challenge when he kind of, like, humiliated Shelley, like, right there, like, by writing her a letter? That was also honest.
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Hunter Harris
Oh, yes, yes.
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Ben Mandelker
She did not like that. She was like, why would you. Why would you Just like, put me on blast, like, in front of the entire group. Like that. Which I did not like this. This is another. Another case. Another. Another piece of evidence for me in the anti Ace camp.
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Hunter Harris
Anti Ace camp. Oh, my goodness. No, I. Anti Ace case. I see. I see both sides. I definitely see why Shelley would be like, don't bring this in front of the group. Like, why would you address it? But it is a reality TV show. I mean, it is like, this is what they're here to do is to settle stuff on camera. And that's how you get the best scene. Ace is a field producer. I don't know if, you know, like, he is on boots on the ground making sure drama happens on camera. But I do think Ace was kind of right about Shelley, like, wanting him to decide on her, but then wanting to keep Chris around. I'm not the biggest Chris fan either. I think the way that he's like, I mean, him and Huda together is honestly like Jeremiah all over again. Like they're both just like doing all the wrong things and pushing each other's buttons. But I do. I see Ace's point. Like, what is you are kind of not rushing, but you are. As he said, I think you move very intentionally. And all of us has felt intentional to me. And I think it was kind of making me sad to see people on the Internet being so mean to Shelly. And it's like, okay, well, she can make a mistake and I still like, adore her. I mean.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
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Hunter Harris
And I think, you know, she and Ace have rebuilt and that is probably testament to like, how strong their bond really is.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. That people were very mean to Shelly. I really like Shelly a lot.
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Hunter Harris
Same.
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Ben Mandelker
I thought that was like her weakest moment of the season was like everything sort of surrounding that, like that three day or that two day period that we had of like the heart rate challenge going into like the stand on business challenge. That was like, not like her strongest moment. But it is funny that he accuses her of being like, you know, you move very intentionally. And although maybe, I guess maybe it's not an accusation. Maybe he's just saying you. You move intentionally because he moves intentionally, right? Like, yeah, very, very intentional. So was. Do you think he was criticizing her for moving intentionally or just saying because you would move intent because you move intentionally. I felt like you can't act like, oh, I was just exploring. Is that what you feel?
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Hunter Harris
I think certainly the latter. I think certainly the latter. Because also I think that's kind of what. That's what Ace Is drawn to. Is that, like. I think that was almost kind of the biggest between him and Amaya. Is that Amaya. Maya Papaya. She's so, like, kind of goofy and silly. And Ace likes a more serious person. I think you Coco as well. His, like, Casa Amore. He liked that she was very intentional and kind of serious and that she really spoke with it, like, conviction. Oh, thumbs up. Okay. Period.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, yeah. Streamyard give you a thumbs up just now.
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Hunter Harris
Streamyard is team Ace. Thank you. But I think that. Yeah, I think that Ace was really probably hurt that, like, he knows how intentionally, or I should say how, like, certain Shelley is and that she was moving with so much uncertainty. It's like. But after all of this, you're still looking at, like, the, you know, alleged professional basketball player who doesn't have a team or a home. Totally, totally.
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Ben Mandelker
You know, I have to say, like, for me, like, I've really enjoyed Shelley all season, and for a while, she was, like, my number one in the house. But I think where she started to lose me a little bit is that I felt like she enjoyed being in a triangle a little bit too much. I felt like the whole thing with, like, Austin, Ace went on, like, just a little bit too long, to the point where I was thinking, we all know you like Ace.
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Hunter Harris
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
You still trying to act like you like Austin. And then with Chris, I felt like it was starting up again, and I was like, oh, here we go again. And so maybe that was like, I wonder if Ace was picking up on that energy that, like, that I know that I felt. I wonder if. Yeah, like, me.
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Hunter Harris
No, I can totally see that, because I. Maybe there's something about Shelley's previous relationships that make her, like, familiar with that kind of, like, stuck in the middle dynamic. Because I do think that she kind of gravitated toward trying to maybe not make that happen, but, like, to a place in which she's kind of choosing between two men when we all can see that she, even from, you know, when she was coupled up with Austin technically in name only, was, like, had the most attention for. And the most emotion for Ace.
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Ben Mandelker
That was, by the way, one of the rudest things that happened all season was that Shelly had to be stuck with Austin for, like, two weeks on this show. It was, like. It seemed like it was eternal that she was stuck with him. Yes, it was a really long time. And then I feel like Shelly. Shelly really seemed to focus, lock in, as they say, with Ace. I think after the. They found out about America's. America's Views.
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Hunter Harris
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
Seemed almost like that seemed to bring them together a little bit more. Right. Like, it seemed like they're like, oh, wait, America is not, like, happy with us right now. And I wonder if they said, I had this moment of, like, well, we know. Like, we know that we're good. And that somehow made them kind of say, you know what? All this other, like, yeah, let's just focus on us right now. Did you get that vibe?
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Hunter Harris
No, I. I think that's very perceptive. Yeah, I. I guess I noticed individually how Ace and Shelley had both kind of ranked themselves a lot higher than America had ranked them, which they are in my heart, I'll say that. But I do think that they sort of bonded over it. And you can also see in the same way how Taylor and Clark, after both being ranked at the bottom by America, I was like, ooh. But that's how I felt, so I wasn't mad. But I think that a lot of the couples really locked in after. After seeing, you know, who could be a potential winner based on, like, America decides, because I don't know if you noticed, but Zach also, after all he said about Amaya during that sit on business challenge, then once he sees how high am getting raided in all of these, like, little games, then he's like, oh, actually, I've like, my papaya. Like, I have so much love for you. Da, da, da. And it's like, but just a minute ago, you were telling her that you didn't want to kiss her in casa, and I was like a pet. It was just so crazy. And now he's switching it up 100% once he sees that, like, America, that she is kind of like the people's princess.
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Ben Mandelker
That's when he was totally like that. I was. I already thought he was sort of garbage for calling her out during that challenge, which I thought was. Was totally. But then when he. Then on after the stand on business challenge, when they had that, like, they had that one challenge I won forever, where they had to, like, slam through doors.
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Hunter Harris
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
And, like, then he pulled her into the ball pit for, like, an extra kiss, and I was like, oh, you're a big faker. You saw that she's really popular. This is all. I've lost all respect for you, Zach. I'm sorry. There was a moment in time where we all thought, like, Zach and Amaya were going to, like, take over. And, yeah, I was like, no, this is. This dream is completely dead. I also think, by the way, the reason why Shelley and Ace came back together after that challenge is because they probably realized, like. Like, oh, America doesn't like us because we're doing all this, like, triangle stuff, like, everything with Huda and with Chris and every, like, the whole thing. They're probably like, oh, people don't like us right now. We should probably stop with this. Just focus on each other.
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Hunter Harris
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
So I think, again, their savviness kicked in there, but either way, I don't want to. I don't want to, like, fixate on them because I love that you love them. Because I think what's so important when you watch reality shows is that you pick your favorites and just go with. And you have fun with it. And, like, you know, like, you just. You just do. And, like, you defend them even when you, like. I have. I've had so many reality stars that I've enjoyed that I can't really defend, but I just will find ways to defend. I'm not saying that you're, like, coming up with, like, workarounds.
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Hunter Harris
No, I mean, I get it.
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Ben Mandelker
I think it's great. That's the best part of reality tv.
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Hunter Harris
You can tell that I was raised on Nene Leaks, Atlanta Housewives, where it's like, well, listen, she's not always right, but she's never that wrong.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
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Hunter Harris
And that's just kind of how. Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
Did you see, by the way, aces tour of his home or is like.
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Hunter Harris
Oh, I've seen a little bit of it. Yes. But I haven't. All. I've been watching his. His, like, dancing videos really teaches people, like, in foreign countries and, like, big zoom rooms of, like, 30 guys how to dance. And it's so funny.
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Ben Mandelker
It is really funny. So the big thing that happened, I think, last night or this morning is that Sierra issued a formal apology. And I actually haven't seen it yet. I just woke up this morning and I read it, and I actually couldn't find it. Instead, I got distracted because I found out also this morning because I'm, like, a very savvy Internet person, and I'm always at least, like, six days behind. I found out that Clark is, like, a meme at the moment. Clarkett. No idea about Clark. So I think I went to look for Sierra's apology video, but then I wound up going into Clarkett content instead, which was not what I expected.
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Hunter Harris
I. Okay, listen, I. At first, I did not like Clark because I honestly just found her kind of annoying. And then I didn't like how she was just kind of moving in the Alandria conversation. Like, I understand what she Was telling Landry, like, I don't like that you called me, like, my relationship, which I feel like is very valid. A test, which I have to go with my girl. If Landry says you're a test, you're a test. Like, okay, I hope you pass. I don't know. But I did start to like her more. I am happy that she's gone because I could not have Taylor in my villa any longer. But. But, yeah, but I. I think also Clark is, like, beautiful too.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. I had a moment, like, there's one episode, I think, like, last week where she was sort of on her side and, like, the light was hitting her, and she. She just. I was like, this woman is so beautiful. And. And we were just not paying attention to her because we just hate Taylor so much.
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Hunter Harris
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. And I think that she's also an introvert, so she's not really very interesting on camera.
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Hunter Harris
I think that's very true.
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Ben Mandelker
I think we just don't really pay attention to her. And I was like, she's beautiful. But I was okay with her to go because, you know, every time that, like, you know, you'd be watching the show, and then suddenly it's like, oh, it's a Taylor and Clark scene. I was like, I can't truly.
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Hunter Harris
It's like their little date. I was like, can I fast forward through this? Like, I don't care. I don't care. And every time Clark says something that I love, she falls up with something that I'm like, eye roll to the heavens. Like, when she. During that date, she told Taylor, like, you always tip 20% no matter how good or bad the services. I was like, okay, period. Love that. And then, like, the next two days later, they're talking about, like, what their wedding would be like, and she's like, oh, I really wanted, like, a sexy, like, lingerie shoot with my future husband. I was like, okay, so the pick me to end all pick me is understood. Like, I. Whenever I want to see it for her so bad she does something, I'm like, girl, I can't of that.
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Ben Mandelker
I know. I'm just gonna. We're just gonna let them go off and have their next, like, Taylor. Okay, before we get to Sierra, as long as we're talking about Taylor, I have to say, like, I kind of feel like when they cast Taylor, they were hoping to, like, capture the magic of. What's this?
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Hunter Harris
Oh, Serena and Cordell.
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Ben Mandelker
I think that. I think they wanted someone like Cordell, sort of scrawny and stature, kind of goofy and Silly. And Taylor did not deliver on any of those things. He was. To me, I thought he was a painful watch. He just.
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Hunter Harris
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
Never really developed any personality. I've been watching Love island for many years now. Like, you came primarily, and there are people who. They come in and they are. They're odd and strange, and then by the end of the season, they have, like, blossomed, and you've, like, killed away layers, and you just.
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Hunter Harris
I think Amaya is like that, honestly. I mean, that. That's how I think of her ascendance.
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Ben Mandelker
Yes. I think last season, you know, and, well, Cordell was a great candidate for that last season, but also, like, Miguel was a great candidate last season where he came on just, like, beefcake, but turned out he had a huge amount of personality and silliness, you know? And Taylor, I'm telling you, I mean, we spent six weeks with this man and not we. There was. There was nothing to peel away. Not us, not a layer, not a. Not a thin membrane, nothing. Right.
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Hunter Harris
No, I think you're so right. Even, like, watching Taylor during the heart rate challenge, that's what I was like, honestly, flip the table over. I'm done. I'm done. Because if you can't even. It's like, Love island, it's obviously a show where you, like, your only task is to look hot, wear swimsuits and make out and, like, try to, like, build connections with people. And he has failed on all of those accounts. And I don't like that. He just, like, kind of hung out just to stay around the boys. And what I really didn't like, which this is like, actually when I was. When I completely was like, I. There's nothing more for me to see with him on camera, was when Nick and Alandria came back to the main villa after, like, they'd both been dumped. And Taylor jumps over Alandria to hug over who he truly had not seen in maybe six hours. Like, hadn't seen Alyssa in two days, which is, like, months in Love island time. Hadn't seen Nick in six hours and was truly picking Nick up, hugging him so tightly, he was like, oh, my God, I miss you. Had nothing to say to the woman that he'd been sleeping in bed with for all of these weeks. I was like, you're so weird. And this is like. He's also just like, yeah, not very good on camera. Always, like, goofy, but not in a fun way. In a kind of, like, distracting, like, childish way.
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Ben Mandelker
Yes.
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Hunter Harris
Just. Yeah, really, really not good casting.
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Ben Mandelker
Like, yeah, that was a real fail.
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Ronnie Caram
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Ben Mandelker
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Hunter Harris
It's because Alandria was so set on him and she is so everything that makes, you know, him annoying and like a nuisance is what makes her so captivating. Like, she's so beautiful. She is so expressive. She is so good at like, you know, talking, like in the confessionals, like leading you through, like, her thought process. Also has a lot of friendships in the house. Also is like very set on showing her connection, how she, she feels. And Taylor reciprocated none of that. And still at the first opportunity I was like, please get him out of this house.
- [26:24]
Ben Mandelker
I know. I, I was actually, Alandra is great. Like, I think she's, she's my number two. She was my number one for the longest time. But like, I, I have really fallen for Amaya Papaya. I think that what I tell Ronnie is that I think Alandra is the one I would rather actually be friends with. I'm just like rooting for Amaya because I Just, I felt like she had such a. Like, she. She really had a hard journey in the villa that I just want to reward her. But, like, Alandra is the one who I'd actually like to have a conversation with. I don't know. I could have a conversation with Amaya. As much as I love her, I think that might wear me. Wear me down just a little bit.
- [26:55]
Hunter Harris
You know, that kind of, like, I get why people love her so much, but, like, some of the non sequiturs kind of kill me. I'm like, girl, I'm sorry, what are we talking about this conversation right now? Like, what. What is. What is the subject of this sentence? Like, I'm just not following along as to, like, I feel like I'm always dropped in the middle of an Amaya conversation, and I forget. I, like, lose all context, and so it's very confusing for me. But I. We had the comedian Devin Walker on our podcast this week, and he was saying, like, okay, Hunter, I hear what you're saying, but imagine you're at a boozy brunch and you're like, four mimosas in, and you meet this girl in the bathroom line, and, like, your song is playing, and it's like, okay, in that specific circumstance, I'm like, that's my girl for life. But I do agree, Alandria is more the person. I'm like, oh, we could, like, really have, like, a nice dinner. Lunch.
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Ben Mandelker
You could sit and watch TV together.
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Hunter Harris
Like, yes.
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Ben Mandelker
And watch TV with Alandra. I feel like with Amaya, like, sometimes her conversations, she's like, yeah, so what sort of bread do you like? Yeah, that's my favorite. I like that bread. And I'm like, what?
- [27:57]
Hunter Harris
It was funny. Whenever Taylor and Ace are, like, making that picnic for Taylor and, oh, my gosh, Clark. Yes. To go on that date. And Maya is, like, trying to distract Clark and she's like, okay, so what's your favorite color? And Clark's like, black, and Amaya's like.
- [28:19]
Ben Mandelker
I know. I was like, I just.
- [28:21]
Hunter Harris
I feel like she tries. She tries.
- [28:24]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, she tries. I. Okay, wait, I'm gonna put a pin in the Maya, because Sierra is the big thing.
- [28:29]
Hunter Harris
Yeah.
- [28:30]
Ben Mandelker
So you watched. You watched her apology.
- [28:32]
Hunter Harris
Yes, I did, I did.
- [28:33]
Ben Mandelker
So can you summarize what she said in it and how you felt it was okay?
- [28:38]
Hunter Harris
Just for context. She is, like, filming this, like, kind of self tape style, wearing a big sweatshirt that says either empath or empathy. I can't remember the why was at the end or not. And she begins by Saying, like, first off, like, I. Like, I've left the villa. It's been about 48 hours since I've left Fiji. And my first apology is, like, to everyone in the Asian community. I, like, don't want to center myself at all in this. I really apologize for using that word. And then she shares a screenshot of someone, like, calling her out on it and response to, like, whatever story she'd posted and use that word. And they were like, we're. I'm, like, unfollowing you. Like, I'm so disappoint. And she wrote a pretty lengthy response saying, like, I was. I'm so embarrassed. I was so naive. I had no idea. I really apologize. You'll never see me say this again. Which I hadn't seen that circulating in all the screenshots of her using this word, which I thought was like, at least she has, like, some receipts to back it up that she had in at least at one time been called out and had, like, acknowledged and apologized immediately.
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Ben Mandelker
So it was on. On her post there, on the post itself, someone had responded, yes, prior to Love Island. And she. Yes, but she didn't take down the post or she did.
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Hunter Harris
It was a story post. I think she took it down. So it wasn't like, yeah, it was like. I feel like she was, like, at some kind of, like, injector's office or something, but. But then what is after that? Then she said that, like, she's so apologetic, but that she understands and honestly appreciates that they asked her to leave the villa and that it was the best decision for everyone and that she totally supports that action. And then. And then she continued to apologize, said, you know, that she wants to, like, the only way to really make amends is, like, proven your future actions that you understand that she intends to do that, and then said that, you know, the reaction to all of this, although she understands, like, why people are hurt, that some of the people, like, called ice on her family have, like, her family's death threats, like, her friends death threats, all of this stuff. But I. I don't know. It's, you know, not my apology to accept, but. But I did appreciate that she led with the apology and kept that very separate from like. But also the stuff that's been happening to her has been really parasocial, weird, like, similarly kind of harassment and over the top. And I think, honestly, it felt like a pretty good apology from a celebrity. I've seen. I'll say I've seen less from bigger, more famous people who've done, like, I'm thinking, like, just the Justin Timberlake apology, honestly, which is, like, one of the crazier ones I've ever seen.
- [31:12]
Ben Mandelker
I tried to block that one out of my head.
- [31:16]
Hunter Harris
That's, like, how not to apologize.
- [31:18]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Well, okay. I'm glad that's a good apology. I'll have to definitely go and look at it. And again, like you said, it's not for. For us to say whether truly whether. Whether it's a good apology, because it's not our group that was. That was explicitly affected by it.
- [31:32]
Hunter Harris
Totally.
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Ben Mandelker
It is. You know, it is nice to see that she did not lead with, like, I'm. You know, I feel really bad, but you guys.
- [31:39]
Hunter Harris
Yeah. Yeah. And I also appreciated, too, that, like, my thought is that she's gonna go on, like, call her daddy. You're like, the, like, Nick Vile podcast and, like, really capitalize on this moment. But I liked. I guess I. Yeah, I liked that she had no. Totally. But I like that she, like, didn't do this, like, you know, really dramatic, like, breaking my silence. But it did feel, like, pretty swift and again, leading with the apology and not, like, her own personal complaints about, like, her own treatment.
- [32:11]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. I think these stories that have been coming out over the. The second half of the season, like, the toxicity in the. In the fan base is. Is terrible because I don't. First of all, people shouldn't be acting that way. I mean, calling Ice on Sierra's family is, like, really so vile, especially because, like, Ice is doing such terrible things in general and actually, like. Like, like, we don't want to. Like, we don't want to engage with Ice at all and. And do things like. I just think it's. That's actually, like, so offensive to me.
- [32:40]
Hunter Harris
Yeah.
- [32:40]
Ben Mandelker
That anyone would do that. And I just feel like that's, like, so shameful, but also, like, it makes me sad that the odd. So much of the audience has gotten so toxic over the past half of the season because I don't want that. That. That messiness to get onto the show. Like. And, yeah, in terms of, like, I don't want people to think of Love island as, like, oh, well, I want to watch it, but that I hear it's really toxic, you know, And I don't want that to affect how the show acts. I just want people to. To, like, calm their parasocial instincts a little bit and just be, like, chill with. With some of the stuff that that's happening. But people are. They're really. The fan bases are out of control. And I honestly have a theory, and I don't know if you feel the same way about this or not. I kind of think that the Huda and Jeremiah situation, that was like, poison on the show and then in the audience, and I think it's just interesting since then. I think that was, like, a really. A really toxic relationship, and it, like, it was really riveting to watch, but I. It kind of, like, seemed to stall out the whole house in terms of developing relationships. I think it consumed everyone's time and energy.
- [33:47]
Hunter Harris
Yeah. And I'm only laughing because it's so crazy to imagine clocking in for another day on your shift of just watching Hoda and Jeremiah go back and forth like, you're as, like, a person in that villa. It's like, oh, I don't want to wake up and have to deal with this some more.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, I know. And I. And I think that somehow I think that's like. That that's just started to affect the audience in a weird way. Like, I. I don't have any empirical evidence, but I have to imagine that's where this all started. And. And I think that the stand on your business challenge was very messy for Love Island. Love Island's a messy show, but that one was a challenge where they. They were like, let's get these islanders to directly combat each other.
- [34:28]
Hunter Harris
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
Which we don't really see too often. It's usually, like, passive aggressive.
- [34:33]
Hunter Harris
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
You know. You know, challenges.
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Hunter Harris
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
So I. I don't know. I mean, how do you feel about the levels of toxicity on the season? Do you think they're overblown, or do you think they're. They're.
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Hunter Harris
No, I think they're very present. I saw someone say that people tried to call Child Protective Services on Huda for, like, leaving her child to go on this show. And it's like. But wait, what. I mean, I think Hoda is an interesting case because as much as I do think a lot of, like, the ire directed toward her and the Jeremiah stuff was a lot of misogyny, her behavior in that relationship was almost as toxic as his. Like, they were both kind of locked in this real. Just smog of, like, both of their projections and, like, both of their just miscommunications and misunderstandings. But still, I think that it kind of unleashed a level of, like, both vitriol, maybe from, like, higher investment in this couple, because I think you're right. I think that's very perceptive. It really did draw a lot of people in because people were taking Sides. And then even Ace saying to Jeremiah, it. This is weird. He didn't say it in the best way. He said he thought it was scamming. But it's weird that you guys are so locked in, like, so only have eyes for each other and act like this is like a once in a lifetime love, all of this stuff. And it's like. But it's days, like 3, 4, 5, 6, like, where's this all coming from? And that a lot of the other people in the house didn't, you know, weren't setting up for Jeremiah in that it was only, you know, knucklehead Austin, I think says a lot.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. I still think that Jeremiah. It was. Well, we talked about before, but I don't think Jeremiah should have been voted off in that situation because I think that, like, when the fact that they were like, oh, my God, Jeremiah. But you were like, you're doing it all over again to Andrena. I was like, no, I don't really feel like it's the same thing. I think he just likes her. I think you're allowed to like people. But, yeah, I think that that. Yeah, that situation was. I was so compelled by it. I was like, tuning in every day to watch. I was like, what's gonna happen? But little did I realize, I feel like I was also contributing to this thing that was going to really affect the whole season. And because it's a shorter season, it's like six weeks in on the US Version as opposed to, I think, eight weeks on uk. Those extra weeks make a difference because they get to Casa More way too, way too soon on the US Version, I think. And I. And I think that last season we had a great season of casting where we had lots of relationships building. But, you know, sometimes it, you know, three weeks in, you don't have anything going yet. And I do think that the Hood and Jeremiah thing sort of took up all the air in the room. And, yeah, they had to go to Casa More, and then they come back from Casa More and now they have to, like, they haven't even had a bombshell since Casa More, which is wild to me.
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Hunter Harris
No, but then I think it's. It's like, it's so weird because it's. It feels like some people have been so locked in from the very beginning, but then you're like. But who have been the main couples? Like, no one.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
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Hunter Harris
Since day one, really. Which is, you know, not like last season at all, I would say. But I. I don't know. With Jeremiah, I truly feel like, the house just collectively, the mood was like, someone has to go between Huda and Jeremiah. And if it has to be Jeremiah, then it has to be Jeremiah. And I think Ace saw that coming because that needed to end because it was only going to continue even after America had decided that they need to be uncoupled. It was still more drama. It was still more of, like. Have you seen people compare her to sadness from inside out?
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Ben Mandelker
Oh, no.
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Hunter Harris
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
That's hilarious.
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Hunter Harris
In the background of a scene like.
- [37:57]
Ben Mandelker
Like, I have definitely seen that. Like, definitely her soul, you know?
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Hunter Harris
You know, even during the baby challenge, like. Like, she was, like, cleaning up everyone's towels after, like, the, like, they're like, baby yoga thing. And it's like, girl, now I know that you want some attention, but now is not the time.
- [38:14]
Ben Mandelker
She definitely pouts quite a bit. Too much for my taste. I'm like, I really can't stand Hooda. I'm not gonna lie. I think she's awful. She's awful. She's had some nice moments because the producers have been kind enough to give her some sort of redemption arc. But, yeah, she's terrible. Terrible, terrible. Okay, so. So in terms of, like, who's gonna. And then there's Iris and Pepe, who are, like, so.
- [38:35]
Hunter Harris
Yeah. So totally. And then there's Iris and Pepe and just silence. That feels about Right.
- [38:41]
Ben Mandelker
People love Pepe. I. I don't totally get it. I think that he's just. Because he says nothing, that. That therefore, like, he's like, a blank slate, and. And like, a season where people have, like, a lot of, like, feelings about the men, especially. He's, like, the best of the worst, you know?
- [38:55]
Hunter Harris
Yeah. Something about Pepe is that I think he's, like, 27. I think he's the oldest person in the house, and it shows because he's the one who's not. Not, like, rushing into anything, not, like, starting the most drama, but he very much is just there. And I think because of that, you're right. People can project a lot of, like, he's the most stable, the most mature, and it's like, no, he's just kind of quiet.
- [39:14]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. They're just kind of boring together. I mean, they're fine. I've. I've always. You know, Iris is nice. She's. I enjoyed Iris. I enjoyed her thoughts on crows and that one day she was like, guys, you know, I want to do. I want to get a bird. I was like, okay, great. Thanks for the update.
- [39:31]
Hunter Harris
Iris doing that, like, would you rather challenge? I Was like, this is kind of the most you've talked all season is like talking about crows. Talking about. Would you rather. And telling Sierra you should be mad at Alandria for kissing Nick. I was like, okay, girl.
- [39:45]
Ben Mandelker
And also the way that she was sobbing over tj. And then like a second later, he was like, oh, you know what? Pepe's not so bad. I did see a video of TJ yesterday where, like, he was on, like.
- [39:56]
Hunter Harris
Yes, I saw this.
- [39:57]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Where he was like, well, at least I got to go camping. I was like, okay, well, I'm glad you're gone.
- [40:04]
Hunter Harris
Oh.
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Ben Mandelker
So Nick and Alandria, do you believe. Do you feel this? Do you feel like this is a real thing, or do you feel like this is a last ditch effort? I mean, have you been a Nickelandria person in general? I know you're a Landria fan, as am I, but do you. Do you ship. To use the words of the young people, do you ship Nickelandria?
- [40:25]
Hunter Harris
I will go to war over the two of them together. I love them as a couple. And I'll tell you why. There's one scene, I'm actually writing mine in the newsletter right now. There's one scene from when they were dumped from their houses and they went back to the main villa together as a couple and they made out in Soul Ties, which was like, so the best kiss of the season. But what I really loved is right after that, they go downstairs. I think it was TJ who's like, were you guys in Soul Ties? And Alandra's like, no, we were at the day beds. And then she sits down and she says, oh, I'm like, cold, like, trying to change the subject, saying, she's cold. And Nick, mid bite of a cookie, takes off his shirt and gives it to her. And then Clark, it's like cinematic Clark comes in with Taylor, and Clark's like, where did you. Where did your shirt go? And Nick says, alandria was cold. And then Taylor, of course, comes in and is like, oh, Alandra, no one in the house likes you. And it's like, womp, womp. Like, get out of my villa. But I do think that they always gravitate towards one another and not just like, from a produced way of like, they were set up after they were both dumped, of course. But I think at every opportunity, night. One night to. Nick would always want to kiss Alandria. Landry loved kissing Nick. And even, like, that one, like, random door challenge, they would. Nick chose to partner up with her for that challenge. And Then we cannot forget Nick was whipping the votes to keep Alandria in the house and told Clark straight up, you've only been in this house for two days. Taylor could change his mind. Alandra needs to stay. And I said, that's love. Yeah, that's love.
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Ben Mandelker
I think that's a great. I think you just made a really strong case. I. I feel like I like the. I like the idea of nickelandre. Like, I want. I. I want that to be real. I just don't know if I feel like it's real. Like, not that it's not. I think everything you said is right, you know, but sometimes I, I don't know, I feel like the. The Knicks pivot into it so quickly. I just, I, I am doubting some sincerity behind It. I feel like he was suddenly severed from Sierra and he's rattled by it. And then I felt like he said, I've got a week left. I've got to do something here. I've got something sort of with. With Alandria, so let's. Let's go for it. And I totally applaud that. Like this love island, you got to do that. But I don't know if I feel the chemistry the way other people do. And I want to. I want to be in the nickelandria haze, you know, but I'm not quite there. I mean, if they win, I'll be happy for Alandra, but they're not. Yeah. I don't know. I. I want it to be. I want it to feel. Feel more vibrant for me and it's just not happening for me.
- [45:13]
Hunter Harris
But I also think that's a Ben problem.
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Ben Mandelker
Do you think it's.
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Hunter Harris
I think. I think a little. But I think that maybe something that you're picking up on is that Alandria has been quite guarded in this relations. How she was so set on Taylor. And even the morning after they made out in Soul Ties, she did say, like, okay, I felt really bad because, like, Sierra is my friend. I also. But what she didn't say is that she's still so stuck on Taylor. And it I think required Taylor saying in that sit on business challenge, like, if you want me to pick between you and Clark, guess what? I pick Clark. For her to be like, okay, this is totally over. I need to like start opening my mind. Because she did not have eyes for anyone else even.
- [45:49]
Ben Mandelker
And that bothered me.
- [45:50]
Hunter Harris
Yes.
- [45:51]
Ben Mandelker
Because she really put her eggs in that basket. And then every time she said, oh, we really, you know, but we've been building something, we've been working towards something. I'm like, what are you talking about? It was never really there in the first place.
- [46:01]
Hunter Harris
I know. And even who. I can't remember that guy, the other country boy who came into the house. Bombshell. Yes. I thought he was so cute. And I was like, why can't you see that he is taller, thicker, like more into you. More like curious about you. Taylor is like the definition of a guy who goes on a date with you and doesn't ask you one question about yourself. And it's like, well, how is this going to work?
- [46:22]
Ben Mandelker
Work? Like, yeah, I'm concerned that Alandra is someone. She's very principled and I think that like, she has this idea of like, oh, well, I. I see something in this guy. I think this could be something. And I'm not like a fly by night person. Like, if I see something, I'm gonna follow it through. And I think she was like, very much dedicated to this, like, idea that, like, you know, if there does seem to be some potential, I'm gonna do whatever I can to make like it's not going to be my fault that this doesn't. It doesn't work. And I kind of wanted her to, to just sort of assess halfway through and realize this is not going anywhere. You, you're, you're like begging essentially for him to kiss you. And especially when he came back from casa and was like, already he connected with, with Clark. I can't even begrudge him for connecting with Clark. You like who you like. And she still was like, like, oh, well, I'm in consideration. I just wanted her to move on.
- [47:14]
Hunter Harris
So, yeah, I think that's why she couldn't. That's why her kind of monologue at the fire pit during that sit on business challenge just kind of felt so flat for me. Because it's like she said, I've been supporting through everything. I've been taking scraps. And it's like, but sweetheart, I say this with love. No one has asked you to do that. No one has indicated that that is going to get you any closer to getting Taylor. Because in the reality in which we all live, he would sleep. Have you seen the screenshot of him and Elandra sleeping in the bed together where he, Taylor, is all under the covers and she is like, truly in the wind. Like, has nothing on her. He's like, he just, like, just has everything on him. Yes. And with Clark, he's cup, like, coupled with her and sleeping without her, cuddling with her night one. And that says it all.
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Ben Mandelker
That says it all. And I just want, I just wish that she had explored more in the villa.
- [48:05]
Hunter Harris
Yeah.
- [48:06]
Ben Mandelker
And like, do you. I mean, she's very guarded. And I feel like in life it's good to be guarded when it comes to dating. I mean, good and bad, obviously, but, like, it's not the worst thing in the world to like, have some sort of standards that you keep for yourself. But do you think that you should be so guarded when you go into Love Island? Do you think you should move the way you move in the outside world the same way as you would in love as you do in Love Island?
- [48:31]
Hunter Harris
No, because. Because, I mean, the IRIS&TJ, IRIS&TJ to IRIS& Pepe thing kind of really speaks to how you really have to be able to pivot. And I do kind of like between Iris and Pepe, how they had both been in the house together for days and days and days, and, like, there's never a spark. And then it's like, I don't know, like, the light hits Just right. TJ's gone. She kind of looks at him for a little bit too long, and it's like, oh, maybe there is something here. Which is kind of my favorite thing about this show, because wherever you think there's. Oh, my gosh, all is lost. What is Iris gonna do now? Then she's like, maybe it's Pepe. And that's sort of nice. Same with Amaya. I mean, it's like, am. I had been in the house for weeks, no one was interested in her. She's not really feeling anyone else either, truly. And then here comes Brian, and it's like, that's so nice. I wish that Alandra had been a little bit more open. But then again, I do feel like it's not a coincidence that at every chance, like, that she could, you know, form another connection. It was always, like, a little bit platonically with Nick. And I think now she's, like, being dissuaded from that.
- [49:32]
Ben Mandelker
I think she's realizing that she, like that she has to let her guard down if she wants to really, truly do the Love island experience. Otherwise, you're gonna act the same way you did in the outside world. And what's even the point of coming into the villa in the first place? Aside from, like. Like fame and influencers, like, numbers and all that stuff?
- [49:47]
Hunter Harris
Yeah.
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Ben Mandelker
So, okay, so predictions. Who do you think is going to win? Why don't we do. Let's. Let's even make it spicier. Who do you think is going to be in the top three? And who do you. Who do you. I think I know who you want to win, but say it anyway.
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Hunter Harris
It's predictions.
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Ben Mandelker
Predictions.
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Hunter Harris
Okay. I think Amaya and Brian and. Okay, so we. We see what. Streamyard is good.
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Ben Mandelker
Actually. I think it's. I think it's actually Apple. Apple does this thing for people who are watching, people who are listening. They don't. They don't see this. But for people who are watching, every now and then, if you do a certain gesture on, like, your. Like, your MacBook or something, it'll send, like, balloons up or thumbs.
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Hunter Harris
Thumbs up, thumbs down.
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Ben Mandelker
That, like, it always seems to happen when you're, like, giving an opinion. It's like, like the. The Internet is agreeing with you at this moment. Absolutely. Yeah. Right.
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Hunter Harris
I think finally Amaya and Brian, Shelley and Ace and Nick and Alandria. I don't know. I honestly feel like Charlie Nice might be on the chopping block because a lot of people who I did not expect this are voting for Iris and Pepe. And I'm like, both. I know, it's shocking. Me too.
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Ben Mandelker
I mean, Kristen. Oh. We didn't even talk about Chris and Hooda, but do we think that that's over or do we think that they're just starting their first fight right there for the pattern is beginning.
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Hunter Harris
I truly think it's over. I think Chris. Chris was so. I think he was kind of right to be a little bit. Like, I think Huda is, like overcorrecting from the Jeremiah. She's like, taking all the wrong lessons. The Jeremiah thing wasn't an issue because it was pda. It was an issue because they both would just like go around and around and run, have the same conversation, the same fight again and again. And I think everyone. Exactly. And I think Chris is already kind of frustrated with her and has like a much shorter temper, honestly, because he just is more arrogant and egotistical because he is a ball player. So he says. But I also think. I mean, did you see the last elimination? Chris looked like he wanted to make himself leave the villa. He said, get me on the first flight out of here. I cannot take this anymore.
- [51:53]
Ben Mandelker
He was done. This is the first time that I've ever seen the baby challenge on Love island actually be consequential. Like, they've done that on the UK for years. It's like my least favorite because it goes on forever. And like here it really affected Huda and Chris. I. I think. I don't. Yeah. I think if the show were still had a few more weeks in it, I think that'd still be. The roller coaster would go on for like another week or so. But they're about to get out of the villa. I think they're just gonna go there. He's gonna go off and bang some randos at clubs, whatever. Like, he's gonna live his fullest and she'll do whatever she does, whatever she.
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Hunter Harris
Does.
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Ben Mandelker
Whatever he does, you know, be annoying, deal with. She's gonna have to. She has her own controversy she has to deal with when she gets out of the villa. Little does she know. You know what I'm talking about, right?
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Hunter Harris
No. What?
- [52:43]
Ben Mandelker
Well, there was all. People are up in arms because.
- [52:46]
Hunter Harris
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
- [52:49]
Ben Mandelker
Like, it's debate about whether or not she actually said it, etc. Etc. Like, yeah, lip syncing along, it's, it's its own can of worms.
- [52:56]
Hunter Harris
I just can't talk about Huda anymore. I'm sorry. Like, I'm like, what? Honestly, whatever. Like, just let's move along, please.
- [53:03]
Ben Mandelker
I don't understand that. I don't understand how she has so many followers. Okay, so I think Shelly and, Shelly and Ace are gonna win. I really, I think the momentum has moved towards them. Just like my sense, like when I, I always go on to onto Twitter and I, you know, I, I, every morning I'm like on the hashtag Love island usa and all the chatter is about them and I think that the, I think the vibe has shifted. I think the narrative of this week, which is really all that matters, is that they've gone through the rough stuff and now they're together. And you know, the truth is they, they are, they are a good couple together. And I think I, I think that like, Amaya peaked. I think that, like so much of Amaya's story was that, like, she was always getting shot on, but now she found a guy and I feel like there's a sense of like, oh, good. Well, that's tied up in the, And I think people are going to, I think it's gonna be Shelly. Nice. I personally, I think it's gonna be Shelly. Shelly Nay's number one, Amaya and Brian number two, and number three, Nickelandria. And although you're Iris and Pepe could be a weird no, you know, I'm gonna say Iris and Pepe is number.
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Hunter Harris
Three now over Nickelandria.
- [54:12]
Ben Mandelker
I think they've got the bland vote, you know.
- [54:14]
Hunter Harris
Yeah, that's true.
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Ben Mandelker
There's always people for bland people.
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Hunter Harris
Yeah, Yeah. I, I, I mean, I love Charlie and Ace together so much and I, day one, you could be like, that's going to be a couple. They're a couple. They're going to stay together through this whole thing, which I like. I think with a Maya and Brian, my only sort of hesitation in saying they could win, like, the only thing that's like holding me back from being like, definitively they're going to win, is that people like Amaya so much, but, like, the depth of her connection with Brian is really just not there. I mean, we saw them in the Hideaway together. It was just like, I mean, they have fun together. It's, that's a relationship that like, you date for six months and then he simply ghosts you and never talks to you again and you're like, but Wait, I still have, like, stuff at your apartment. Like, it's just not. It's not. It's not there. In the same way that, like, Ace and Shelley and even, like, Iris and Pepe also, like, you know, not the deepest relationship, but at least they, like, talk about more than just, like, the daily drama, you know, like, they kind of, like, just whisper together, and I'm like, okay, totally, Whatever you guys say.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, I. I think I. I think we're all rooting for Amaya and for a Mine to be in a relationship. And we all love that Brian was the only one who stood up.
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Hunter Harris
Yeah, totally.
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Ben Mandelker
Ace, I'd like to point out. Against Ace. For Amaya.
- [55:32]
Hunter Harris
Against Austin, you mean?
- [55:33]
Ben Mandelker
And Austin And Ace and Austin and Zach, all of them. He was the only one who stood up for Amaya in that moment, and we all like that. And so. But I do feel like we do get a deeper. We do get a sense of a deeper connection with Ace and Shelley, and I think that the audience is going to respond to that. I think it's gonna be Ace and Shelley. You're gonna win. I'm gonna. I'm gonna say that right now.
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Hunter Harris
Premiere lives to God's ears. I love Ace. I would love to see him and Shelly winning. I mean, truly, I love Ace and I love Shelly so much. And even before they hubble up, I was like, those are kind of my two favorites.
- [56:04]
Ben Mandelker
Well, I love Shelly. Don't really like Ace that much. She drives me nuts. But that's. That's okay.
- [56:08]
Hunter Harris
If that's a Leo, man, I will be.
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Ben Mandelker
Listen, if. If they win, I will be happy for you, because I'll be happy for the people in our audience who are also Chillace fans. But thank you, Hunter, so much for coming on today. Please tell everyone where they can, like, listen to you and follow you and do all the things, and everyone should, because Hunter does some really good content. I'm just kidding.
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Hunter Harris
Thank you. Thank you. That is so.
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Ben Mandelker
You're the Shelly. You're the Shelly. I wanted to say the Chalets, but I'm like, not really. I just can't say that sincerely. You're the Shelly of content. I'll say. Superstar.
- [56:40]
Hunter Harris
Thank you. Thank you. That's. That really is high praise, because the feeling is mutual. But I. I have a podcast that I co host with my best friend, Peyton Dix. It's called, Let me say this, you can listen on YouTube and Spotify, wherever you find your podcasts, and I write a newsletter called Hung up, and it comes out twice a week. And we have like, just the most fun conversations about everything from Love island to, I don't even know, like, Drake's abs. All of that. That. So I hope you join me.
- [57:10]
Ben Mandelker
I. I love that pivot to Drake's abs. Well, we'll have to circle back to that one. Thank you so much for coming on and good luck on Sunday night at the finale. Watching the finale. I hope it all works out.
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Hunter Harris
Thank you. Same to you.
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Ben Mandelker
Bye, everyone.
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Hunter Harris
Bye.
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