#2918 RHOM S7E5 Part 2: Too Late to Apologize w/ Diallo Riddle

Summary

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Episode: #2918 RHOM S7E5 Part 2: Too Late to Apologize w/ Diallo Riddle
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: July 11, 2025
Platform: Wondery

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In episode #2918 of "Watch What Crappens," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the intricacies of "The Real Housewives of Miami" (RHOM) Season 7, Episode 5 titled Too Late to Apologize. Joined by special guest Diallo Riddle, the trio offers a comprehensive and entertaining analysis of the episode's pivotal moments, character dynamics, and overarching narratives. The discussion is enriched with personal anecdotes, sharp critiques, and insightful observations, making it engaging for both avid fans and newcomers to the franchise.

1. Miniature Golf: A Scene of Reflection and Frustration

The episode begins with Ben and Diallo reminiscing about miniature golf, setting the stage for their discussion on a significant scene at an indoor miniature golf course called Puttery. Here, Kiki, her son Shamar, and his friend Neary navigate the second indoor miniature golf course, highlighting both the fun and the frustrations of the activity.

• Ben (02:01): "I don't feel like there's any good miniature golf courses in Los Angeles."

• Diallo (03:54): "False advertising."

The hosts express their disdain for standardized putt-putt courses lacking genuine interaction and whimsical elements. Ben emphasizes his preference for interactive and creative miniature golf experiences, lamenting the mundane setups that fail to engage players meaningfully.

2. Introducing Massoud and Stephanie: Tensions Rise

Massoud's introduction marks his first significant appearance alongside his wife, Stephanie. The hosts dissect their dynamic, noting Stephanie's assertive "boss baby" persona juxtaposed with Massoud's more subdued demeanor.

• Ben (09:01): "Hello, my name is Masoud. And at one room, that's all I will need to see."

Stephanie's overzealous efforts to showcase Massoud's youthful side, including humorous incidents like Massoud attempting TikTok dances, are critiqued for being forced and out of sync with the show's authentic vibe.

• Diallo (10:57): "I've never owned a turtle. This was very informative to me."

3. The Confrontation: Gertie vs. Julia

A central focus of the episode is the heated confrontation between Gertie and Julia at a restaurant. Ben and Diallo analyze the emotional depth and scripted tensions, questioning the authenticity and motivations behind the characters' actions.

• Ben (20:16): "No, because a villain has to be sort of looking like they're enjoying."

Julia's portrayal as a "nasty villain" is examined, with the hosts debating whether her antagonistic behavior feels genuine or forced for dramatic effect.

• Diallo (22:09): "It's about nuance and feelings, but none of them are speaking their native language."

The discussion extends to the communication barriers between the characters, highlighting moments where language misunderstandings amplify tensions.

• Ben (24:36): "These people are trying to convey all these complex emotions. They don't have the same rules, they don't have the same language."

4. Production Choices and Character Development

Ben and Diallo critique various production elements, such as scene setups, character introductions, and visual aesthetics like mirror quotes designed to reflect narcissistic traits.

• Diallo (35:46): "He's got those three books that therefore, like, he might be treated with some more gravitas for the narcissism stuff."

The hosts express frustration with superficial production choices that undermine the show's authenticity, advocating for more meaningful character development and storylines.

5. Lisa's Entrance and Group Dynamics

Lisa's arrival at the "narcissism party" is dissected, with the hosts highlighting her disruptive entry and the ensuing conflict with Stephanie.

• Ben (47:46): "How do you start off two hours late with someone you don't know?"

Stephanie's confrontation with Lisa is portrayed as a pivotal moment, showcasing Stephanie's loyalty to Larsa and her willingness to challenge disruptive behavior within the group.

• Diallo (56:37): "Like, you just immediately see, like, oh, Stephanie's got. She's got fight."

The interaction underscores the fragile dynamics within the Housewives ensemble, where alliances and antagonisms shape the narrative landscape.

6. Closing Thoughts and Future Speculations

As the episode wraps up, Ben and Diallo reflect on the unresolved tensions and anticipate future developments in the season. They emphasize the need for authentic conflict resolutions and deeper character explorations to maintain viewer engagement.

• Diallo (60:16): "Sounds like an 80s sitcom. Lisa's lot in life."

The hosts express optimism for the show's progression, hoping for more nuanced storylines and character arcs that move beyond superficial drama.

Notable Quotes

• Ben (03:33): "How do you start off two hours late with someone you don't know?"

• Diallo (22:09): "It's about nuance and feelings, but none of them are speaking their native language."

• Ben (24:36): "These people are trying to convey all these complex emotions. They don't have the same rules, they don't have the same language."

• Diallo (35:46): "He's got those three books that therefore, like, he might be treated with some more gravitas for the narcissism stuff."

• Ben (47:46): "How do you start off two hours late with someone you don't know?"

Conclusion

Episode #2918 of "Watch What Crappens" offers a thorough and entertaining recap of RHOM Season 7, Episode 5. Through dynamic discussions and candid critiques, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam, alongside guest Diallo Riddle, provide valuable insights into the show's narrative and character developments. Their balanced approach, blending humor with thoughtful analysis, makes this summary a must-listen for fans seeking a deeper understanding of their favorite Housewives and the production nuances that shape their stories.

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[Ben]

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[Diallo]

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[Ben]

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[Diallo]

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[Diallo]

There'S so much that happens?

[Ben]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode. So then we go to this place called Puttery and Kiki and her son Shamar and his friend Neary, they are at the second indoor miniature golf course.

[Diallo]

Yeah, we know these places.

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah, they're fun, fun times. I enjoy them. I love miniature golf.

[Diallo]

I actually love miniature golf. Can I say I fre. Love it.

[Ben]

Me too.

[Diallo]

One of my, my first dates with my wife Brittany was. It was mini golf and we had some, we had some memorable times on, on, you know, near the Dragon and the windmill, which I will. There's no need to go into that. But yeah, a solid mini golf course is like always fun for me.

[Ben]

Yeah, I, one thing that I am upset about is that I don't feel like there's any good miniature golf courses in Los Angeles.

[Diallo]

Really? You know what?

[Ben]

Not even Boomers? Okay. Not even the Castle.

[Diallo]

Castle Park. Listen, Castle Park's not great.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Diallo]

But it, it, it does, it does Satisfy a little bit.

[Ben]

I hear there's a good place in Pasadena, actually. That's actually only nine holes. Maybe, but okay, it's a.

[Diallo]

Hey, it's the quality of the holes.

[Ben]

It's. As I always say, it's the quality.

[Diallo]

Of the whole quality of the hole.

[Ben]

That's what Jax Taylor says, but I think. So here's my issue, if I may. Yeah, I know we have a lot of episode to go through, but I. I think this is important. I love a real whimsical miniature golf course. And I think that technically there's a difference between putt putt and miniature golf. I think like, putt putt is actually kind of a standardized course. Or maybe it's like, it's all about like ang. Like blocks and angles, whereas I think that might be putt putt and. Or maybe that's miniature golf. And putt putt can get super whimsical where you go into windmills and stuff like that. And what I don't like. Here's what I don't like. I do not like when you are approaching a miniature golf place and you see the windmills and you see the goofy things and you're like, oh, this.

[Diallo]

Is gonna be great.

[Ben]

This is gonna be great. And then when you get there, those are just things that are like on the side of like pedestrian horses, you know. And so when you're playing and you're just playing on the typical. Like, it's basically like an L shaped thing with some angles on it and like all these fun dinosaurs and windmills you're not even interacting with. And I'm.

[Diallo]

False advertising.

[Ben]

Listen, that, like, I want to. I want. When I play miniature golf, I want. I want to be like Flintstones or something where like that ball is going up the back of the dinosaur and then dropping into at least one Rube Goldberg machine.

[Diallo]

It's like mousetrap.

[Ben]

I need to. I need to like be interacting with all the fun stuff.

[Diallo]

I think that's why I do like castle. Look, Castle Park's got some. Some holes for sure.

[Ben]

Yeah, that's my memory.

[Diallo]

But some of their holes definitely have like windmill and ball drops in here and it rolls around here.

[Ben]

It's got some good stuff, like all sorts of funny contraptions and wildness. And like, there's a hole over here and a hole over here. I like, I don't want to deal with any others. You know what's. Sorry, one last observation about this.

[Diallo]

No, no, no. I didn't know we were going here. Didn't know we're going full mini golf.

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm triggered. Well, honestly, because nothing really happens in this scene. So this is just.

[Diallo]

This is one of those scenes. I. I swear to God, anytime I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm a father. So I. The scenes with kids are almost uniformly boring.

[Ben]

Yeah, almost always.

[Diallo]

Because nobody can say real conversations and yes. Fun to see Kiki fall into the ball pit dressed like a supermodel and that kind of stuff. But, like, that's the most you're going to get out of those scenes. Like, they're just missing.

[Ben]

I love that they're giving Kiki more personal stories, especially as a friend of. That's almost unheard of.

[Diallo]

Yeah.

[Ben]

But this was not a terribly interesting scene. It's cool that her son seems great and his friend.

[Diallo]

Perfectly fine. Yeah, Perfectly fine scene. Perfectly, perfectly fine.

[Ben]

Arthur, say perfectly fine, son.

[Diallo]

Perfectly fine.

[Ben]

It's fun. But the miniature golf hole that I hate, the one that I hate them, actually, I don't hate it, but I think it's the hardest one of all. Tell me if you feel this way. It's usually found on the more pedestrian, like, non whimsical ones. Yeah, there's a hole, of course.

[Diallo]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And it's surrounded by like a round. Almost like. Like, it looks like a little volcano where it's like round and.

[Diallo]

And there's a little bit of a cone.

[Ben]

Yeah, like a cone with a hole in the center. Yeah, that. Because you have to hit it perfectly. Because if you hit it too soft, it like rolls up and then around and away in a different angle, direction and power. Everything.

[Diallo]

Everything has to be perfect. I totally agree. That's the hardest one of all, I think the one that I dislike the most is, like, when there's like a hole and you think it has to go in that hole and down to a lower level.

[Ben]

I love that.

[Diallo]

But then when you get up to that hole, you see there's actually another hole behind like a brick over here, which is the preferred hole. You're just like, oh, man. You can tell me there were two holes.

[Ben]

That's true. But I have to say one. One thing I love is when you.

[Diallo]

I'm surprised you don't like Boomers. I feel like Boomers don't. They usually have all the whimsical holes.

[Ben]

No, no, they. They are. They are whimsy teasers. They. My memory is that Boomers has all the stuff next to the. Next to the holes, but not actually on the.

[Diallo]

You know what? I'm glad I never Pulled over on the i5. Cuz that. That I always see that when I'm driving to, like, Huntington beach or something. I'm always like, man, one of these days, I should have, like, the time to go and do that. I'm reminded of Marisol's. You know, sometimes, if it's. What is it? If it's good for the whole, but it ain't good for the soul.

[Ben]

Well, what's good for the whole is good for the soul.

[Diallo]

Like, that was written. Right? One of the producers handed that 1 to percent 100%.

[Ben]

What's. What's good for the hurricane is good for the pain.

[Diallo]

If it rhymes. A producer wrote it.

[Ben]

Yeah. Anyway, long story short, I.

[Diallo]

Too late.

[Ben]

I love. I know. Too late. I love. I love when. When you do hit, like, a ball into a hole, and then you have to, like, it comes down to a whole other level. Like, that's the best, like, fun. That's just fun.

[Diallo]

It's just fun.

[Ben]

Okay, well, anyway, this is a great scene. So Kiki Lara comes over. They talk about kids. She wants to be in a good place with. With Shemar. Kiki calls her dad, and it was great.

[Diallo]

So then I got to say, if shemar were, like, 10 years older, Larsa would definitely be hitting on him.

[Ben]

100.

[Diallo]

Like, the name Shemar alone. I feel like she'd be like.

[Ben]

We just have, like, a connection. Like, oh, 19.

[Diallo]

Oh, okay, that's. Even. Even. I can't do that.

[Ben]

He's young, but he's, like, wise beyond his years. He's just, like, such a gentle soul. We just laugh. We laugh and laugh and laugh.

[Diallo]

Isn't that messed up? That was the first thing I thought. I was like, lars is sitting at a table with Shemar. Watch it.

[Ben]

Yeah. Watch out. I don't think she's going for nearly, though. Unfortunately, I don't think that's gonna happen. So God bless him. So then we go over to Stephanie and Massoud. So this is Massoud's first big scene.

[Diallo]

Yes.

[Ben]

Husband. Husband thing. Did you feel. I like Massoud? This was. I couldn't tell what was going on with the scene. Masood was acting, right?

[Diallo]

He was acting.

[Ben]

It's 100, I thought.

[Diallo]

So I did the whole thing. This whole thing felt like a setup to show, like, you know, to introduce.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. It's, like, wackiness, but so they. They're. So Masoud and Stephanie are there, and Stephanie's in full boss baby mode. Full, like, like, okay, we. We have to look at the rooms. We're gonna look at the rooms. And he's like, but I only want to look at one for one for no reason. But I only want to look at one.

[Diallo]

No more than one scene needs tension.

[Ben]

We need to establish stakes.

[Diallo]

Exactly. From the top.

[Ben]

Hello, my name is Masoud. And at one room, that's all I will need to see. God forbid we look at second room. So she's telling us. She's really trying to sell us on Massoud. She goes, you know, so many people think that, like, because my husband is older, like much older, like 45 years older, that, like he's older at heart, but that's so not true. Let's look at some footage. Let's show the footage of him in a backwards hat. Okay. And we see the sky.

[Diallo]

Totally.

[Ben]

Like, you know that meme of like Steve Buscemi with like, yeah, hey, fellow young people.

[Diallo]

Exactly.

[Ben]

Is that from what is that from 30 Rock or community or what's that from?

[Diallo]

I thought it was a commercial. Wasn't it maybe completely wrong. I thought that was a commercial from a little bit back.

[Ben]

But it could be, you know, someone will tell us. But yeah, he's just like in that hat and he's like doing some sort of like, tick tock dance. And I was like, oh, this is so.

[Diallo]

This is so sweaty. Really sweaty. You guys. Don't do this to us, Massoud. We'll remember. We'll remember him dancing when the with the lawsuit started in next season.

[Ben]

Yeah, exactly. He's like, I want to listen to some Roni Chaplin. I'm like, okay, Chappelle Roan. So she's like, yeah. And then Larsa met my husband and we went to dinner and after dinner she texted me. I was like, oh, my God, you're the old lady of a relationship. Your husband is so fun and you're not letting him live his life. That's totally me because I have to talk to men, you know, 80 men at a time. So they're just like talking about like the. She's talking to Vanessa, this employee, and they're looking at models in this. In this unit. And here she goes again saying, you know, every time we go to Saint Bar St.

[Diallo]

Bars. Yeah.

[Ben]

I'm telling you, dude, you know, Masudi loves animals. He loves animals.

[Diallo]

Setting it up, by the way. Setting it up because these dogs have to eventually in the room. So we gotta establish he loves animals.

[Ben]

He loves animals.

[Diallo]

He's other wrong here.

[Ben]

And here's how you know he loves animals. Because every time we go to Saint Barts, there's turtles and so the suit goes to the grocery store and buys the muffins and leaves muffins all around the streets of St. Bart's first off.

[Diallo]

I've never owned a turtle. This was, this was very informative to me. I didn't know that you could feed turtles with muffins.

[Ben]

I didn't know that muffins were their preferred treat. That that's what they.

[Diallo]

I didn't know that that was what you'd buy. When you own the turtles, you own muffins, the muff.

[Ben]

The turtles are like, can we get some leaves around here? Why do they keep giving us these?

[Diallo]

I believe that there's something more, more turtle friendly than a muffin.

[Ben]

Also, please don't leave muffins on my street.

[Diallo]

Who's leaving all these muffins?

[Ben]

You know, we have a little bird feeder outside and when we moved in here, Dom got a bird feeder and he filled up little nuts and everything. He's like, oh my God, the birds will come here. Cuz he loves animals too. Although he would never leave muffins around.

[Diallo]

S parts in his case, I believe it. It's not just setting up a scene.

[Ben]

Yeah, he like, loves animals. Like he was going to do like animal science if dance didn't happen.

[Diallo]

Bry wants to get a. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Ben]

Go ahead. Yeah, well, I was just going to say like this bird feeder put all this stuff in there and the first thing is a rat. A rat shows up. So, like, I guarantee most of those muffins were eaten by rats.

[Diallo]

They're definitely eaten by rats. When I was growing up, my father was into birds. He had a bird feeder in the backyard and he was just like waiting for these birds to come in. And they did for a little bit. But then we started hearing all these gunshots. And when you grow up in Atlanta, sometimes your neighbor's from the country. And our neighbors, the Lawsons, they were from outside of Macon, Georgia. And it turned out that Melvin Lawson was shooting at the birds with his shotgun. And so my dad goes over, he's like, melvin, stop shooting the birds. I want to see the birds. And you're shooting the cardinals and the blue jays and all these beautiful birds to shoot. Fun fact, the Lawsons used to. They used to eat the squirrels.

[Ben]

Really?

[Diallo]

They did, because that was a thing. That was a thing in the south, you know, where they were from. So like, you know, I'll never forget Grandma Lawson. I'm sure she's gone now, but God rest her soul, she was like, I.

[Ben]

Wish girl meets hardy.

[Diallo]

She Was just sitting in the living room watching cable, and she was like, I wish somebody go out there and kill me a squirrel. I went over the house one time. You could see little paws sticking out of the pot. It was crazy for real life in life in metropolitan Atlanta because it really is a mixture of city mouse and country mouse. You know what I mean? Like, some people are moving there from New York or L. A. Some people are moving from, you know, Dallas, Georgia. You know, it's crazy.

[Ben]

The not pause coming out of the stockpot.

[Diallo]

I'm serious, man. I saw it and I could not believe it, but I just kept walking.

[Ben]

Why didn't they get that? Like, that's almost like a cartoon. That's almost like. Because I feel like, realistically, if I'm cooking something, I'm not letting a pod dangle out.

[Diallo]

Yeah, but I want to remember the cook. There was like at least two little pause to get out of that pot, and the steam was coming out. So just from a. Just from an OCD point of view, I'm like, push the pause in so that you're not steaming. Also, how many freaking squirrels, really? They were actually brown, Paul, so they might have been chipmunks. This is not the diversion everybody was expecting.

[Ben]

When you said that, like, you. That, you know, you had these birds coming to the bird feeder, then all of a sudden you heard gunshots. I was like, wow, I'm glad that's what those birds weren't carrying. It's like now they were smarter. Yeah. These days. These days, unfortunately, everyone has a gun, even the birds. So anyway, the point is that they. They look at this one model unit. So it's. They're like, showing off to America to be like, come, come live at Shoma bazaar, wherever they are. And then they're like. And then she's like, I want to see another unit. No, no, no, don't. Please don't look at other units.

[Diallo]

Take me to another one.

[Ben]

I don't need to see another unit. Must do Tick tock challenge.

[Diallo]

Let's post once a day to please algorithm.

[Ben]

He's like, how do you do new gen Z heart sandal. So then they go into the other. They go into the other model apartment, and there are two dogs. Because there were two. We didn't set up that, like, at the top of the scene, there's mention that, like, because the hurricane. Two people abandoned two dogs right at the complex. And so they put them into an empty unit, but they went in and it actually is not empty because it has. It's a Model unit.

[Diallo]

Right.

[Ben]

And the dog has shot on the.

[Diallo]

Bed and appeared on the pillow all over the place. Yeah.

[Ben]

So this is where I was confused, because I'm like, I understand, like, acting to set up a scene, but are you really gonna, like. But you're gonna have the poop and the pee, too, on your own model?

[Diallo]

I. What I didn't get was like, again, I was like, you leave these dogs alone. It's not like they have, like, keys to let themselves out. So, like, what do you kind of expect, you know? Like, yeah, they were in there for hours. But I think all this was just to show how much he loves animals.

[Ben]

I think so.

[Diallo]

Because he doesn't really hold it against them.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Diallo]

And she's the one who's freaking out because, you know, she's serious business lady.

[Ben]

Mm. She's very serious. But the thing that really disturbed me on the scene was that when it ended, there was a shot of a lady cleaning up the mess, and she was. I don't know if, you know, she had, like, some Lysol, and she was, like, spritzing the sheets and wiping the sheets down with lice. I'm like, lady, put that in the washer. You are not putting. Do not Lysol the shit. No, that's. That is all going to washer if they might even be thrown out.

[Diallo]

That is not. That's not going to do anything.

[Ben]

What are you doing? This is not a tile. This is not. This is not granite. What are you. Did you do. You saw that she had the little spritz bottle.

[Diallo]

Like, I'm just realizing that you're totally right.

[Ben]

This is the sort of management that's behind the Showma group. Then I'm sorry, I cannot endorse them on Zillow. But she does tell a story about how one positive thing that came out of the hurricane is that her sisters texted her and were like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Are you okay? Are you alive? Are you safe? Are you safe? And then when she was like, I'm fine. They were like, oh, never mind. Bye.

[Diallo]

You know, the way she phrased it, it actually confused me a little bit because it sounded like she was saying that they. The sisters who have not contacted her, called her parents to ask how they were doing. Was that at all you're reading?

[Ben]

I. I'm not sure. I didn't think about it as hard enough because I think I was so distracted by the Lysol situation.

[Diallo]

You're still thinking about. I was like, show them I'm not a good look yeah.

[Ben]

All that defecation. I'm not sure.

[Diallo]

It sounded like they called her parents to check on them and then they texted with her.

[Ben]

Maybe that's what it was.

[Diallo]

That was the vibe I got. But you could have been totally right.

[Ben]

I also feel like she's gonna be the sort of housewife that's gonna be a little slippery with the truth. Like. Oh, she says it one way. So. No, what I meant was this. Well, actually this is what it really was. Which is also very Bronwyn, you know.

[Diallo]

So now I took to Bronwyn pretty quick.

[Ben]

I really love Bronwyn and I thought she was a great housewife. I think she's gonna have a terrible next season. I think she's gonna have.

[Diallo]

It's always the season two.

[Ben]

I think she, like, they're gonna.

[Diallo]

I feel like Denise came on, you know, she was having so much fun. Season one. In season two, everybody got out knives for her.

[Ben]

Yeah. And I think they're gonna get out knives for Bronwyn.

[Diallo]

Yeah.

[Ben]

But she's also has some like wind in her sails. So she's gonna be a little. I think she's a little loose.

[Diallo]

She's gonna get too comfortable. And then the.

[Ben]

Yeah. And the audience is already kind of like turning against her anyway.

[Diallo]

So like, what happened? I don't know if I missed that.

[Ben]

Just they think her. She's like cocky or like full of, you know. So I think I still like her. Yeah, she's a great choice.

[Diallo]

But I agree. I think season two is going to be hard for Brian.

[Ben]

Have a bad at. It's going to be really bad.

[Diallo]

That's all it takes, really. Right.

[Ben]

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[Diallo]

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[Ben]

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[Diallo]

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[Ben]

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[Diallo]

I've got some really sweet pieces from there. One of my favorites is a leather jacket that I'm going to keep forever.

[Ben]

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[Diallo]

Yeah, she's. She doesn't play villain well.

[Ben]

No, because.

[Diallo]

Because a villain has to be sort of looking like they're enjoying. Like Lars has got that malevolent grin.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Diallo]

So, you know, the second she says that really mean thing to you, she's having a blast. But Julia doesn't have it in her.

[Ben]

And Julia, that's like Julia's Persona, like what makes her work on the show is that she's actually this kind of like, like daffy sort of like out there person that's kind of like a, it's like a, like a little bit of a different, a contrast from the other personalities.

[Diallo]

She, she likes that farm life. You know what I mean? Like, you know, that's. She's not. No, she's not talking about Saint Barks in her, in her Birkin bag.

[Ben]

Yes. So they sit down.

[Diallo]

I love this scene, by the way. Yeah, Gertie, it was the scene I'd sort of been. I feel like every episode you're waiting for that scene. And for me, this was that scene in this episode. Especially since this one, I. I sort of expected it. The week after the water toss.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Diallo]

Didn't happen. The week after that didn't happen. It finally happened in episode five. I also really need to see a. A super edit of all the times that the waiter comes over. Oh, my God, that worst possible moment.

[Ben]

I was gonna strangle that waiter. Like, I was like, every time they were, like, about to, like, have a meaningful exchange, he was like, would you guys like a new slice of lime for your Diet Coke? It's like, why are you coming over there?

[Diallo]

So many times there's. It's like a cavalcade of characters. Sometimes there's just that waiter that just draws all the attention. Like you said, they come over the worst possible time. But I secretly. I love those scenes. Those are my favorite housewives scenes.

[Ben]

So. So they sit down, and Gertie is like, thank you for the invitation. I got your message that you sent me the date after. You know, when you sent it, she.

[Diallo]

She was so robotic. Like, yes. You could tell she's still mad as hell.

[Ben]

Oh, 100%.

[Diallo]

Because she's got, like, her. Her code is on. Like, her code is, I am here, and this is business. And everything I'm going to say is absolutely truncated.

[Ben]

I. This is business. And I say that with authority because I just went to the stock exchange. Thanks for not saying anything about it.

[Diallo]

For a business goes down. I rang the bell. It was a. It was a bad day. The Went down. It was a red day.

[Ben]

It was the day the tariffs were announced by Py.

[Diallo]

Nvidia now became like, cnbc.

[Ben]

Buy low, sell high. I've learned so many things. Supply and demand. So.

[Diallo]

So she's.

[Ben]

She's.

[Diallo]

She's hot.

[Ben]

She's. She's ready. And she. She comes in, she says, you know, I got your. I got your text message. And Julia's like. And I meant eat. I mean, it is I. It is written with open heart. Also, it was written by goat. I wasn't sure if Gertie was. I seem to remember feeling like Gertie. I wasn't sure if Gertie was able to say everything she needed to say and for Julia to understand it, because I think that waiter kept on coming by.

[Diallo]

Well, not only the waiter, but this gets to, like, one of the reasons I love Miami. One of the things I love about this show is I thought about it a lot because I knew I was coming here today. It's. These women are trying to talk about nuance and feelings, but none of them are speaking their native language. Like, that is insane.

[Ben]

That is such an amazing point.

[Diallo]

Think about it. Like, I always wondered, like, these international soccer teams, like, if you go to Real Madrid, three of the guys are from Europe, three are from Africa, two are from Asia, two might be American. They all had to speak some common language just to play a game, and that's a game with rules. Now imagine that these same dudes at the all speak all these different languages, but they have to convey something as nuanced as how you made me feel.

[Ben]

Wow, you're blowing my mind right now.

[Diallo]

It really came up to me. It really came out to me actually, in the scene. One of my favorite parts of the scene, when Gertie's recounting. It's actually a flashback. It's when they're in the heat of the argument and Gertie says, well, you said I referenced it. She's like, no, I said, I never said we are. I said we were. Learn the past tense. Like, oh, these people don't speak the same language.

[Ben]

Literally don't. Yeah.

[Diallo]

She's like, learn the past tense while you're at it. Learn future. Perfect.

[Ben]

Learn future.

[Diallo]

Conditional. I will have finished this, I will have finished this food. You know, like, it's just like, no, these people are trying to convey all these complex emotions. They don't have, they don't have the same rules, they don't have the same language. It's insane.

[Ben]

That's actually a really fascinating and interesting point. I mean, yeah, I, I think, I don't know of, of the, every other housewife franchise.

[Diallo]

They all basically are from, you know, they're all speaking English. But this is the one where like, you know, technically this person is speaking a dialect of, of French where she might be growing up. This one speaks Spanish, as she said, you know, like, yeah, there's, they're all speaking English ultimately.

[Ben]

I mean, and who knows what Lars, I mean, what Lisa's ever saying.

[Diallo]

Who knows where Larson's from?

[Ben]

Larsa? Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know if, if, if Larsa was like, if English is her first language or not. She's a Siri. Is Larsa Assyrian?

[Diallo]

Is it Lebanese?

[Ben]

Lebanese.

[Diallo]

We could look it up probably.

[Ben]

I'm not sure what her. But it is, so. That is such a good point. I mean, a lot of them, I mean, yes, it's, it's not their first language. A lot of them are obviously like, like beyond fluent, but there is something to that. Like, I, I, I imagine they're trying their best.

[Diallo]

I mean, like, there was literally one part where like, Julia was struggling even. Even when Alexia always says like, you know, I don't know what Todd's going to do. The ball is on his court and I'm like in his court. And she's like all the balls on his court. And I'm like in his court just like. I'm just like. It's not her first language. She could speak Spanish way better than me.

[Ben]

But there, to be fair, there are a lot of English speakers that will also on. On his court or on accident or. Or what's the other one that's really.

[Diallo]

Oh, on accident. Absolutely.

[Ben]

What's the one that's really big? Well, good. Well all those fun things.

[Diallo]

Yeah, yeah, those are, those are. By the way, that's one of my favorite. I do get that email once a day. Like you know, like some kind of grammar funny thing. Yeah and I love grammar grammar funny thing. It's always grammar funny thing is great newsletter but here's. Here's. Here's what for the listeners. Every day versus every day. And if. If something happens continuously day after day after day, use every day is two words. And if it's every day, just remember that every day a single word means common, regular, like he's your everyday kind of person. You know, like that's seems like that's what I'm bringing to the world too. Sorry.

[Ben]

Good.

[Diallo]

Nobody cares.

[Ben]

It's a good. That's a good tidbit you could use every day.

[Diallo]

I'll come in once an episode just with. Just with grammar tricks with the grammar font. Sorry about that.

[Ben]

You can come in every day to do that.

[Diallo]

I would do. Dude. Some people like I will say again, this is one of my favorite scenes in the episode and I'm. I'm glad that they kind of, you know, not. Not to. They kind of got to some kind of like day like.

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm glad it wasn't one of those things where they don't get anywhere and we have to do like three more episodes like cuz that it really is stressful when that happens. So Julia says, well, I don't know how we got what to what happened last night. I'm like, I can tell you specifically exactly how it got to that you basically had a meltdown because of zoom Link didn't work and you turned into a giant thing and you vilified Gertie and you got mad that she got upset that there was no seat for her at some influencer dinner on a cruise so she went and ate somewhere else.

[Diallo]

And that cruise thing is like so Convoluted at this point to hear them tell the story. They tell two completely different stories.

[Ben]

100% difference.

[Diallo]

Julia's saying, hey, you asked to come on the cruise. Gertie's like, I would never come on that cruise. You asked me to come on the cruise, Cruz. Like, I kind of believe Gertie. I believe Gertie more because, you know, it just. It doesn't all line up. And I also think that, like, Julia, you know, but.

[Ben]

And. But Julia's whole thing is, like, she was there to support me because Martina was homesick, and she has to support me for making the decision to not.

[Diallo]

Be with Martina while she's Martina.

[Ben]

No, I don't think that really works. And, like, also, if she's there to support you, why didn't you have a seat for her at the dinner? Like, why didn't you insist? Like. Like, this is your emotional support.

[Diallo]

Friends, listen, I think we can all sympathize with Gertie if you go on a cruise, of all things. And this is the reason I've actually never taken a cruise, because I've already got to feel, like, trapped in with the people who you're with. But if you go there to be a friend and then you're not even sitting at the table with that being like, this is total.

[Ben]

Like, if I were Julia, I would actually not go to whatever cockamamie dinner this was and sit with Gertie, like, that's your friend.

[Diallo]

Like, why else is Gertie even there? But according to Julia, Gertie was begging to go on this cruise, which I don't.

[Ben]

And then her and was taking photos. I'm like, you're a real housewife. What is. What is this?

[Diallo]

This is not new territory.

[Ben]

Yes, exactly. You were not, like, some celebrated pop star like Samantha Fox in 1988. Okay, I don't know where I went there. So Julia's basically saying, like, I don't know how we got here, but I am very sorry for throwing the water at you, and I have no excuse for it, and I hope that you can accept my apology. I would have given you this apology over zoom, but we know how you do it.

[Diallo]

I know you're not good at zoom.

[Ben]

Sorry, sorry. Triggered. Triggered. She's like, well, I am literally completely blindsided. I feel completely backstabbed. And the waiter's like, hello there. What would you like? Oh, hello. I'll have the croquettes, please. So Julia's like, I shared with you something very private about my face lift, and you share with everyone. I know. So apparently the facelift was a secret, which, by the way, whoever is Julia's surgeon, I never would have detected it.

[Diallo]

No, I. I didn't see it either.

[Ben]

Never saw it either.

[Diallo]

So, you know, I say be proud of it.

[Ben]

Like, that's great work.

[Diallo]

That's usually the thing that they brag about. They don't brag about it, but it's.

[Ben]

Understood, I guess, because so much for a thing is like, nature and animals and like. Like natural. Natural things that to get a facelift may feel like dereliction of duty.

[Diallo]

Yeah, I didn't. You know, Kuda. I guess you're right. Kudos to whoever did the. I didn't. I didn't assume that there had been a facelift, but I did hear when she said that, and I was just like, that's gonna be an issue. That's good. Yeah, that's gonna be the one.

[Ben]

Yeah. Okay. The things that you can't talk about, obviously, are children. The things that are off limit are children, but also facelifts.

[Diallo]

And my business.

[Ben]

And my business. Children. My business and face love.

[Diallo]

You do not talk about my husband, and you do not talk about my business. I mean, like, it's. Get the song going.

[Ben]

A person I trusted with something very personal when I shared this information with you, but you threw it back at me, and you betrayed my trust. So what kind of friend are you? So. Well, I felt very betrayed by you as well, so you have to understand that my reply was matching what I was getting from you. And again, just to remind everyone, this is a fight about a zoom call and some sort of cruise. Yeah. Seating on a cruise.

[Diallo]

That's where. That's what's brought us here.

[Ben]

But Julia's upset because Gertie's, like, weaponizing this face, this facelift. I think it's more than that. She added the facelift. But saying, like, you were a bad wife to Martina, who was ailing at the moment.

[Diallo]

Yeah, that. You know, let's. Let's. That's. That's an ugly thing to say. I mean, like, you know, but, you know, in the heat of the moment, you know, Gertie. Gertie fights back, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. It was, you know, it was a bit backhanded against March. Yeah. See.

[Diallo]

There was a volley. No, I'm sorry. The ball was in her court.

[Ben]

Yeah, she really served up a good.

[Diallo]

Oh, gosh.

[Ben]

A good diss. A good diss on that one. Yeah.

[Diallo]

I did not come over with my puns.

[Ben]

Yeah, well, it's okay. It's. It's okay, okay. It's getting worse. So Gertie's like, well, no, I apologize. I'm sorry for the words that I use and for being literally unhinged because I never want to be the same predicament again. And I appreciate you acknowledging that. And this was a night I wish I never happened. And I tried my best to say, please, not today. Please stop it. No, not today. Not within three days of when I went to the stock exchange and no one even said anything about it. I'm still riding the high of a bell. A bell in New York City when.

[Diallo]

I changed the course of the entire economy and none of my friends showed.

[Ben]

Up when I single handedly pulled us out of recession.

[Diallo]

Exactly.

[Ben]

I fixed everything. But she's like, but she's like, you know, it was embarrassing and humiliating and, and she's like, oh, emotion got over me and I am sorry for that. But no, but this is when I said, no, we are not going to do this, and I did something bad. But it was my point. But it was my point to prove. And I mean, Gertie's I think pretty good about saying, like, I was trying to hurt you, but that's because you hurt me first. You were coming for me first. And like, it wasn't good what I did, but just know, like, I was upset and this is why I was upset.

[Diallo]

Totally.

[Ben]

Yeah. And then, then she has, she has like five monologues in a row. She's like, oh, yeah, we're not friends. But I know this about you. Like, I came out and like, look, it's something I knew. And it was like, my good friend was like, hello, it's me, it's me. Hello. Do you remember me? Do you remember me? And you said, but we weren't friends. But I'm like, we were good friends. Because if our good friends, you wouldn't tell me about the facelift. We were not good friends. But you told me we're good friends. So now we work at friends. Julia's like, I don't follow. Just disagree. Can we move on? I don't know.

[Diallo]

She's like, I do not follow the these words. Yeah, yeah.

[Ben]

Julia just kind of is like in a place of what he's done. He's done.

[Diallo]

Like, she's, yeah, you can't, you can't declare that. But like you said, I, I was happy that they came to a realistic resolution because, yeah, I, I, I would.

[Ben]

Have liked Julia to have acknowledged that she was having a massive overreaction about the Zoom link. I feel like that's what was. Not what was missing for me, the.

[Diallo]

Specificity of what I did wrong.

[Ben]

Yeah. Because the cruise ship, we can't really litigate that one because we don't really know.

[Diallo]

Julia's more apologizing for throwing the water than sort of what led to all this tension in the first place.

[Ben]

Right. But I would have, like, I just kind of wish they had buried the hatch about the zoom link because that's just too stupid to have.

[Diallo]

Like, that is a dumb.

[Ben]

Like, that is honestly one of the worst.

[Diallo]

Like your WI fi could have been out. Like, there's so many reasons that have nothing to do.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Diallo]

That's a little bit of Julia's narcissism. But I also liked how realistic their resolution was because, you know, I think it's Gertie who says, you know, I know one sit down is not going to put me at ease of, you know, trusting you again. You know, I thought that was like, that was very mature to me.

[Ben]

It was very mature. I like that. So now we go to Villa Toscana. Not to be confused with Kachina Descana from Salt Lake City. Yeah, a favorite restaurant establishment. So it's this place. There's like swans, there's like boats. It's like very Lisa Vanderpump.

[Diallo]

I can totally see that.

[Ben]

Yes. Alexia shows up and she's in. It's like a tunic of some sort. It's. She's ready for narcissism.

[Diallo]

She's ready. And our Daniel's right there.

[Ben]

He's right there.

[Diallo]

Our guy is back.

[Ben]

He has. He has created an experience for these ladies.

[Diallo]

A self help experience.

[Ben]

Yes, because he. They have installed a whole bunch of mirrors around and they've written things on the mirrors that are. I don't remember what some of the mirrors actually even said because it was so quick, but things like, you know, look at yourself with that accent. Look at yourself. Look deeper. Look deeper. They want to kill you. The narcissists. They all should die. Like, she's like, I wrote that one. So she's like, you know, in the past, the girls have hired shamans and spiritual leaders and in anyone that could help us, you know, because we need a lot of help, you know, and we see like montage of all these different people that have tried to help him over the years. And she's like, but I'm bringing this guy in because he has more credibility.

[Diallo]

He's got those three books.

[Ben]

He has a working CANVA account and could do some really good memes.

[Diallo]

I really trust his Memes.

[Ben]

Yeah, they do cite that, like, because he has three books that therefore, like, he might be treated. Treated with some more gravitas for the narcissism stuff. So, I mean, I guess you could have, you know, maybe brought in a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but no. Baby steps.

[Diallo]

Daniel.

[Ben]

Daniel.

[Diallo]

You know, this is a one nightmare.

[Ben]

He's got a lot of wisdom. A lot of wisdom in his memes. So they're looking around, and there's all these quotes on the mirrors and everything. Oh, she goes, oh, look at this mirror. This is a good one. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Everyone's. Everyone gather. All the swans, gather around. Okay, here's what the Ms. Mirror says. You cannot fix someone who does not want to be fixed, but you could ruin your life trying to do it. That's true. It's true. Okay, let me call Todd. Let me tell him about that.

[Diallo]

That's that wisdom? That's that wisdom you're talking about dropping those.

[Ben]

Those. Dropping those pearls of wisdom. I like that. Alexa is doing this whole party, and we know she's. The very first thing she's gonna do is go back to Todd. Right.

[Diallo]

Sorry.

[Ben]

It's okay. You were caught up. You're emotional. Those memes really got you, didn't they?

[Diallo]

I get choked up.

[Ben]

It's a serious scene. So she's like. She says, all the girls think that this party is about Todd, but it's not about Todd. It's about all of us because we're all narcissists. And I say that as the star of the group. But anyway, I always think about that. By the way, last. Last year when she said that she was born a star. Remember when she said that?

[Diallo]

She's like, yeah.

[Ben]

She's like, I can do this right now because I was born a star. Like, I can say whatever I want because I've got star privilege.

[Diallo]

My favorite quote from Alexia of all time might be because I don't hear many other people, is slander, slander.

[Ben]

I'll never forget that.

[Diallo]

That was one of my favorites. I think that's the doctor, Nicole.

[Ben]

Yeah. So meanwhile, everyone's arriving at a sprinter van, and they're going to take the sprinter van over to this. This party. So Marisol gets there, and every time someone shows up, we get a joke.

[Diallo]

We get a hat on a hat, as we call it.

[Ben]

On a hat.

[Diallo]

We get a hat on it.

[Ben]

That's right. That's what it is. A hat on a hat.

[Diallo]

Yeah. They brought back my favorite word. Cockies.

[Ben]

Khakis. Yeah.

[Diallo]

So. So risque. I got to say, I mean, like, you know, I. I love. I love the character of Kiki, but I feel like her testimonials are all the same joke a hundred times a little.

[Ben]

It's getting a little bit like that.

[Diallo]

It's just. It's just I'm always like, I'm waiting for the sex joke, and it's just like, I feel like there's more there than that.

[Ben]

Yeah. But she's always been like, oh, penis. It's like everything. It's like, what do you think about her? What do you think about Gertie ringing the. The bell at the stock exchange? Oh, that's ringing a bell in front of a lot of penises.

[Diallo]

And by the way, this. When. When it's, you know, her time to show up, they give her the ultimate penis run. Yeah, it's just. It's just like. I was like, okay, one of my.

[Ben]

Favorite movies, by the way.

[Diallo]

Penis Run.

[Ben]

Chicken Run. Yeah.

[Diallo]

Oh, I thought it was a sequel to Midnight Run.

[Ben]

They were actually a trilogy. People don't realize the Run trilogy. There's the Run Run Bloodlines is coming out soon. That links them all together. But. Yeah. So what happens is that as they're arriving, they. They. They're all. They're given, like, a label. Goddess of something in, like, super basic font. I was really upset with that. It's like that. Zap. Chancery, perhaps, I think it was.

[Diallo]

Is that modern?

[Ben]

That's like that. It's like that font that people use for, like, to make, like, a fancy menu. Yeah. And you're like, put some more effort into it. Holiday Inn.

[Diallo]

There were all kinds of. It almost looked like it was like a YouTube thumbnail.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Diallo]

You know, like, nobody wanted that.

[Ben]

I. I felt like it was a rush job. So Marisol is. Got it. Goddess of the khakis. It's back. I manifested it to come back and it's back.

[Diallo]

Made it happen. Or like, when she was talking about Alexia, she's like, you know, what do you think, Alexi D's?

[Ben]

When she said that, I knew. I could tell that she was gonna.

[Diallo]

Yeah. It's such a setup. We don't need to. The producers. We don't need that. Like, these ladies are funny on their own. We don't need these.

[Ben]

We don't need these silly graphics.

[Diallo]

And we don't have that fun.

[Ben]

We don't. We just. We don't.

[Diallo]

Definitely don't need the font.

[Ben]

Let's start with the font. The font is the most fixable thing. Okay. I know that there may be debate on the production team about whether or not they should have goofy, goofy chirons.

[Diallo]

But like, there is debate. Let us weigh in. Don't do any more.

[Ben]

Please don't do anymore. It didn't work on Vanderpump rule. Did not work on Potomac. Did not work on Atlanta. It is not working here. But luckily the show is like fine. Didn't shows great but like I just was. I don't feel like they need to do it commercials. Here comes one right now.

[Diallo]

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[Ben]

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[Diallo]

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[Ben]

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[Diallo]

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[Ben]

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[Diallo]

Which is just cruel. Absolutely. By the way, it's Miami, and they have the door open, so it's just. It's just humidity and sitting on a splinter van. And by the way, these women aren't dumb. They know when you get in a splinter van on a housewife show, somebody's gonna get into, like, one of the worst arguments.

[Ben]

But, like, it's just. They're just sitting there. I mean, I don't know why they haven't left. I don't know. And they actually.

[Diallo]

In the real world, they would have left.

[Ben]

Yeah. They also seem, like, relatively calm. They're just sort of, like, chatting.

[Diallo]

Yeah.

[Ben]

They're just like. Well, Marcus says, blah, blah, you know, and. But, you know, they're mad, but they're just, like, chatting at the same time. And then finally, Lisa comes on. She comes on board.

[Diallo]

It's important. And she makes an entrance, which is.

[Ben]

As she makes an entrance.

[Diallo]

She made a really big entrance.

[Ben]

Who do you think you are? Somebody just rang the bell at the stock exchange. By the way, I did that, everyone. In case anyone wants to acknowledge it.

[Diallo]

By the way, I did that. I know none of you know that because none of you were there.

[Ben]

So she gets on board and like, oh, wow. And. And so, Marisol, like, monkey, where are you? Monkey. Monkey. So Stephanie just goes in. Stephanie's like, I am ready. I'm used to talking. I'm used to talking to 80 men.

[Diallo]

I will say, you know, this is not her first episode, but this is her entrance into the season. Boy, she held nothing back. She came really hard.

[Ben]

And I thought it was great, because Lisa has pulled these hijinks many times before, and they will sometimes say something to her, but this girl, she doesn't listen to them, does not listen. And. And. And so Stephanie's like, I just want to say that if I ever fly anybody anywhere and Lisa shows up even four minutes late, she's gonna see the plane take off without her, which is like, you know, Lisa just professed that she wants to Be friends with her because of the pj.

[Diallo]

And by the way, I don't know who's writing on the mirrors, but this one just seemed a little too perfect. Nobody gets angrier than a narcissist accused of something that he did. Like that cutaway. I was like, okay, so the producers are writing this in the lipsticks?

[Ben]

Yeah, I think so.

[Diallo]

I don't even know if that was a Daniel original. But then again, nothing's a Daniel original. He's a collector of memes.

[Ben]

Yeah, I, I thought that one mirror that said nothing bothers a narcissist more than having to build a house for Lisa Hawkinstein was like. I was like, wow, that's a scary wow. That's a specific meme.

[Diallo]

Very limited in the number of people who could benefit from that.

[Ben]

But I mean, sure, I support it.

[Diallo]

She's like, whether it said lipstick, be sure to arrive two hours late. Also very specific.

[Ben]

Yeah, Yeah. I was very impressed with his work at that moment. So anyway, so I'm sorry. So she arrives two hours late and I, I misspoke. Stephanie's whole thing was only at the one hour mark is when she said the thing about the airplane, which is also her way of saying I'm. I have the capability to fly. Everyone on this cast somewhere just want to say. I just, just want to point that out.

[Diallo]

It's all, it's always to telegraph some other information.

[Ben]

Always. So, so then like did her other.

[Diallo]

Sister have like a, a Mormon sized family and like her other sisters like, you know, quiet like book librarian or something like that? Why give a Range Rover?

[Ben]

Exactly.

[Diallo]

Cooper. I don't get.

[Ben]

I think that like one, one twin has a family and one twin is like alone in life. And therefore like I guess Stephanie, let's.

[Diallo]

Leave a smaller carbon footprint. And the other one doesn't give a. About the earth.

[Ben]

Actually, I'm going to say that this, I think that Stephanie plays games. I think she gave the Mini Cooper to the woman who has the big family and she gave, gave the, the solo a big be. Like, so you can remember like one. Remember when you used to have room in your car and the other one's like, just know you'll never be able to fill this.

[Diallo]

How big and pimpy it is.

[Ben]

Look at all those unsat on seats. Low me.

[Diallo]

It came with, it came with the baby seat. Okay.

[Ben]

Yeah. Just as a baby could be yours. That's.

[Diallo]

I like, I think Stephanie has planned all this stuff out.

[Ben]

She's 40.

[Diallo]

Chess.

[Ben]

So they have like a lot of. There's like a lot of chatter. Okay. And it goes on for a while. Okay, so finally Lisa comes in. She's like, hello. Hi, goddesses. You guys look gorgeous. You're gorgeous, goddesses. How's everybody do if you walk in two hours late and don't enter with the, the customer. I'm so sorry. Sorry. Oh my God. There was a, like, like you have to pull out the traffic thing. You have to say, you gotta call. Like, we're like, use the Lenny card. Lenny called. It was awful. He burned down the house.

[Diallo]

Lady was supposed to come get the kids. He didn't show up. He's just, he's rebuilding the, the mausoleum that we used to live in.

[Ben]

His mother's making him pierogies. So she just comes in, not even apologetic, just like, hi. Hi, everyone. How's everyone doing? And so Julia's like waiting for you got this. And this is where Stephanie goes and she's like, lisa, do you think your time is more important than all of ours or do you think that you're more valuable? Are we supposed to celebrate your entrance? Do you think how rude it is to make everybody wait?

[Diallo]

And I was like, oh, I mean, four questions. Like four questions in any. Even to people you love, four questions is always too much.

[Ben]

This is, is, this is the show my group working at all. On all cylinders right here.

[Diallo]

Like how you talked to 80 men. You throw them four questions.

[Ben]

Yeah, exactly. I mean there, I mean, we're joking, but there probably is something to like when you're dealing with like construction professionals, like sometimes you really do have to like, I'm very, very non confrontational. I hate it. And so like, I think you, you do have to sort of like enter.

[Diallo]

She's gotta, you know, she's gotta go out there and, you know.

[Ben]

Yeah, do the jabs. She's got a boss, baby. So you think your time's more important, which is great because these are the things that we've been asking and you always ask, but no one ever says to the person, because there's that.

[Diallo]

I was, I was, I was loving it.

[Ben]

I was cheering because there is that up thing where like someone does something that's like egregiously rude. And then when you call them on it, somehow that's actually more offensive because it's like being. Making them uncomfortable to their face. It's.

[Diallo]

It's almost like when someone says something racist, you say that they're racist and they're like, how dare you?

[Ben]

Yeah, how could you say that?

[Diallo]

This could ruin my reputation calling someone racist. Is far worse than being actually racist.

[Ben]

Oh, yeah. Isn't it fun? So. So then she's like, yeah, she's like, you know, so Lisa then goes to the ultimate deflection, which has nothing to do with anything, where she goes, I don't even know you that well for you, this baby speaking to me that way. And Stephanie's like, well, I know enough about you that you just made us wait two hours to wait on you. Like. Like some big, grand Lisa entrance.

[Diallo]

That's very rude.

[Ben]

And I don't think her knowing you or not makes any difference. All she knows is that she's stuck in a sprinter van with Marisol making cocky jokes for two hours.

[Diallo]

Ninth level of hell, man. Dante's Inferno.

[Ben]

Marisol, where is your. Where's your manifestation powers? At least into this.

[Diallo]

I know exactly.

[Ben]

So she's. She's saying all this stuff, and Lisa's been like, okay, you're being very rude right now. You're being very rude. Okay, you don't even know me. You don't even know me me. And in my mind, I'm thinking, but you also don't know her. And, like, you don't seem to care. Like.

[Diallo]

Like, it don't go both ways, Right?

[Ben]

But also, it's like, if you don't know her, like, don't you. Aren't you. Like, when you meet someone, you try to put your best foot forward.

[Diallo]

Yeah, but you know what? I think the. The. This is almost like one of those meta things. Like, Lisa's definitely hit her on the. Hey, you're the new housewife. You can't talk to me.

[Ben]

That's what she's trying the OG Here.

[Diallo]

And it's. It's. It's not. It's not working.

[Ben]

Don't talk to me that way again. And just don't. Don't be two hours late and make us wait. Like, don't talk to me like that. Excuse me. I don't even know you, and you're talking to me like that. Don't be late. I don't know what. I don't know what. I don't know you, but I heard that. That you don't have a lot of friends.

[Diallo]

Lisa's just flailing. I mean, like, she doesn't have a leg to stand on logically. So now she's going to, like, this is like middle school. So I heard you don't have a lot of friends.

[Ben]

I don't know you, but I heard you don't have a lot of friends.

[Diallo]

I was checking if I'm Lisa, I fired the opposite research team that I hired because that's not strong dirt.

[Ben]

Not.

[Diallo]

That's not strong dirt.

[Ben]

Yeah, that's like she should have used some chat GPT right now. And then, and then, and then Stephanie has like a weird thing which is. Well, that's because a lot of them are like you disrespectful and they're two hours late. I've got, I got a lot of two hour late friends. That's why I don't have a lot of friends because a lot of them tend to be like you.

[Diallo]

Yeah, that did that. Lot of did that. So you, so you're saying your friends are disrespectful?

[Ben]

Well, I guess she wasn't denying that she doesn't have friends, but she was like, yeah, I, I, whenever I have friends, it turns out they're the two hour late kind.

[Diallo]

Variety.

[Ben]

And so, and the entire time Stephanie is kind of like doing this thing where she's. If she could put her hand in Lisa's face, she would, but her arms aren't long enough so she just sort of like paws at like the, the air right in her.

[Diallo]

That's such a good point. I feel like Lisa is, I, I feel like Stephanie's arms are always at her side. Like they're always, she's like a very sort of like, she doesn't make like big. She doesn't gesticulate wi. Wildly.

[Ben]

Yeah. But here she was sort of doing a little T Rex arm thing.

[Diallo]

She's like this. Yeah.

[Ben]

She's like, she's in like little mini wax on, wax off and oh no.

[Diallo]

Put your face down here and talk to like it's, it's very small.

[Ben]

So then, then he's like, don't ever put your hand in front of my face or you know, or tell me what I need to discuss with my friends. She's like, well, I wasn't putting your hand. My hand in your face because my hand doesn't even go that far.

[Diallo]

Exactly. I don't know if you noticed, but my hand is way down here.

[Ben]

I am, I'm built in. I, I can't even have an assault moment if I wanted to because it is built in that I can only reach this far. I have a small radius. Literally. Is radius in the arm or is that the leg?

[Diallo]

Oh gosh.

[Ben]

Radius ulna. I just, I don't know. I know that these are bones, but I don't know which one is which.

[Diallo]

You know, I'm sure the Internet, I think it's shoulder isn't it? Radio.

[Ben]

This is one of those terrible moments where you. You enter a piece of evidence into the case on a podcast, and you don't have the answer. And then people at home listen and they get, okay, wait, what bone? What bone is the radius I'm looking up right now real quickly. Ooh, it's one of two bones in the forearm. So, yes, I would like to announce. It was an effective pun.

[Diallo]

It totally works. It totally works.

[Ben]

He doesn't have the radius.

[Diallo]

So I'm impressed.

[Ben]

Lisa's getting mad. It's not funny. This isn't funny. She's like, well, I'm not trying to be funny. Your friends all think you're rude. Lisa. She's like, well, I think you're rude. Soul's like, well, Stephanie said that while we all want to save her, I mean, how long have I known her? 13 years now. And Monkey is always late. Do we want to roll some clips of that from. From, like, 2013? No. Okay. All right. So, Lisa, don't ever talk to me again like that. This is. I don't even know this girl. Like, she's new to the group. Don't talk to me like that. You don't need to be that mouthpiece. You don't need to be a mouthpiece for everyone. These are my. These are my friends. She's definitely trying to pull the, like, yeah, Heather Gay to Bronwyn, in a sense.

[Diallo]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ben]

You know, yeah. But she doesn't have the authority of Heather gay. I don't think that Lisa. I. You always get the sense that they all just barely tolerate Lisa.

[Diallo]

Yeah, there's. There's very. There's very little. Gosh, such a mean thing. There's very little that we've been seeing from her that you can just hold on to and be like, oh, that's awesome. You know, it just sucks. I hate to say that about another human being, but, like, she's not giving us a whole lot.

[Ben]

Yeah. I mean, I'm glad that she's on the show because, yes, she's so self involved. It's like, that's important to me. But. But, like, as a person, I don't know if she's that great. I mean, she's great.

[Diallo]

I'm trying themselves all these shows. We are the. The Greek chorus that will judge them. So.

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure if we hung out with her, she'd be awesome in real life.

[Diallo]

Sure.

[Ben]

That's been my experience with, like, really every housewife I've encountered that they're super cool to hang. I don't know why I always go down this path. I always get, like, paranoid that they're listening and that their feelings are hurt. And I. Yeah, There's a part of me that doesn't want to hurt people's feelings.

[Diallo]

There's a part of me that doesn't want to say that everybody doesn't have, like, some intrinsic, you know, value and some wonderfulness. But I will say that whoever's editing the show doesn't give you a whole lot on Lisa to grab onto and be like, oh, that's cool.

[Ben]

Yeah, I don't, I don't want to hurt Lisa's feelings, but she sucks. So. So Lisa's like, you know, she's complaining and Lars is like, but we've been.

[Diallo]

Here since 12 o' clock the second Larsa speaks. You know, this is, this is. We're here now.

[Ben]

Yeah, you're just waiting.

[Diallo]

You were waiting for Larsa to say anything to Lisa.

[Ben]

Well, and also, like, you know, Stephanie's doing her job, which is. She's, she, she's, she's proving like, she's being a loyal, like, attack dog for, for Larsa and Lars. Like, you've done well now I will chime in and back you up as per our agreement. And he's like, larsa, we're not even talking right now. We're not talking. We're not talking right now.

[Diallo]

We are not talking right now. We are not talking.

[Ben]

You were talking about Jody. You talked about Jody and his eyes. No, we're not talking, by the way. Stupid person. How do you even start off talking to somebody like this? Stop, Stop. You don't even start off talking about something like. And then stop. Stephanie said, which I was so happy. She goes, well, how do you start off talking? How do you start off being two hours late with somebody you don't know? And I was, I literally went, yes. Because I was like. That was the point I was making in my mind.

[Diallo]

Great.

[Ben]

I love that. How do you. How do you start off two hours late with someone you don't know?

[Diallo]

It's not a great first impression.

[Ben]

You. That's correct.

[Diallo]

And then the producer sort of doubles down on that because they're like, how long would Lisa last as one of your employees?

[Ben]

Lisa wouldn't even make it past the end. Past the interview because she would probably be late to the interview and I wouldn't see her and nobody would see her, and I am livid. I probably would become friends with her, though, because I am friends with late people. Apparently.

[Diallo]

The more. The more disrespectful, the better.

[Ben]

She goes, well, perhaps it came off really rude, but it's because I might. You know, my very, very number one only pet peeve is that I don't like tardiness, and I just felt like it was very disrespectful. Don't lecture me. She said, well, my other pet peeve is I don't like when people don't accept my lectures. So we're really off to a bad start here.

[Diallo]

I will say, like, you know, this whole exchange is fantastic.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Diallo]

You know, like, you just immediately see, like, oh, Stephanie's got. She's got fight.

[Ben]

She doesn't care.

[Diallo]

Yeah.

[Ben]

She's like, I, I. I like that she's coming in, she's doing what she needs to do, but it doesn't. It did not actually feel that thirsty to me. I felt like it was earned.

[Diallo]

It was. He had all the moral high ground, and she used every inch of it.

[Ben]

Every inch of that Merlin ground. So then she's basically. Then she's like, she pulls back and she's like, look, I'm apologizing, and I'm apologizing. Why? I'm explaining why I came in hot. Well, it's backhand. It's not even a real apology. It's like, well, do you want. Do you want an apology or do you not want an apology? Either take what I give you or you don't take it.

[Diallo]

Like, wow, I love that she offered her an out. I know.

[Ben]

And I, like, She's like, you want it or no? I will keep fighting with you. I have no problem. So, yeah, Lisa's like, who is. Who the hell is this girl barking at me? Who is she? I don't know you. You can't talk to me like that. Sit down, boss baby.

[Diallo]

Okay, so right at the very end of the confrontation, Lisa gets in a solid dig that's made me laugh out loud. And I. I love your minions thing. I didn't know that was coming. But when they cut to her, when they cut to the shadow Stephanie, I was like, oh, damn, she's the boss baby.

[Ben]

Yeah. I've never seen boss baby, but, like.

[Diallo]

See it so many times with my kids.

[Ben]

The thing is, there's a whole genre of boss babies. To me. My. My number one boss baby is the baby from Roger Rabbit, you know, So I just like, that's just a whole genre of those little bossy babies cartoon form. And I think it's like, 100% Roger.

[Diallo]

Rabbit holes the up. It's such a good movie. It's such a good movie. I actually, you know, I have a deal over at Disney. I asked him, like, is there any way we could reboot this?

[Ben]

I was about to say, why is there no Roger Rabbit?

[Diallo]

It's because there's so many. There's so many, you know, copywritten characters that show up in that thing. So you never have a Bugs Bunny next to a Mickey Mouse again.

[Ben]

But also, why can't they come together? Can't these corporate.

[Diallo]

It was kind of amazing that. That one scene, like, with like Woody Woodpecker and like all these old cartoons together, that was amazing. But even just Roger Rabbit, there's like all kinds of like, rights holders to just him. That makes it kind of impossible for us to revisit Toontown, which I thought was like. Like a. A really fun world to play in.

[Ben]

It is weird that we really didn't get another Roger Rabbit, like, entity or IP ever since then. That was like a one off. We didn't even get the thing.

[Diallo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, it was a huge hit.

[Ben]

Huge hit.

[Diallo]

I think that's a function of the times. You know, in the 80s and 90s, sometimes a movie just hit and that was all you got, you know, like, you know, they didn't make a sequel to every hit movie. Yeah, nowadays, like, they'd already have like, you know, eight TV shows and everything following up on it.

[Ben]

You know what? Know what's funny? I remember seeing Roger Rabbit. My family was on vacation in Vermont, very bougie. And we went and we went to the movies and we saw Roger Rabbit and I loved it. And the next night we went to the same movie theater. And you know what we saw the very next night?

[Diallo]

What was that?

[Ben]

Midnight Run.

[Diallo]

It all one of the best movies of all time.

[Ben]

All full circle.

[Diallo]

I gotta watch that whole trilogy.

[Ben]

It's a great trilogy diallo. Thank you so much. The. The episode ends on a. To be continued. Like, will they ever get to the narcissism party? I'm not sure. I was looking forward to it on the episode. It didn't really happen.

[Diallo]

But they didn't get this tur. But we do see in the next on. We do see that Lisa gets. Gets the, you know, the goddess of being the victim the most or something like that. And she storms off in tears. And that was when I literally thought to myself, you know what? She might need at least one ally, because she's literally spent almost the entire season storming out of the stuff in tears.

[Ben]

Yeah, but you know what it's like. You know, that's just Lisa's lot in life. That's just Lisa's lot. That's her lot in life. And I say that knowing that she does.

[Diallo]

Sounds like an 80s sitcom. Lisa's lot in life.

[Ben]

Yeah. She literally does not even have a single lot in life. Like, she's waiting for Lenny to finish building it, but either way.

[Diallo]

I like when she's like, this place is so quaint and it's comfy. Right. First off, it's 6,000 square feet. But what he doesn't mention is that there's not one soft surface in that entire place. It's all white, hard edges and, like, marble and concrete.

[Ben]

It's like a house built for cocaine.

[Diallo]

It looks like a house for, like, a single dude. Not like the place where you can welcome in kids and, like, get comfy and watch tv.

[Ben]

It's not only a house built for cocaine. It looks like it was made of, like, petrified cocaine.

[Diallo]

The shit that gets stepped on, they just, like, molded in and they just, like.

[Ben]

They, like, wax it.

[Diallo]

They give you a kitchen island and a coffee table.

[Ben]

Yeah. Dialo, thank you so much.

[Diallo]

Thank you so much for having me. I'm such a fan.

[Ben]

Oh, well, I'm a fan of yours and of you in general. I, you know, I love hanging out with you and talking with you, and you'll have to come back and also tell the people where they can find you because they. Everyone should be following Dialo.

[Diallo]

I think the easiest place to find me is on Instagram at Diallo. Just six letters, dia, L, O, D. There you can follow, you know, what I'm doing on the podcast or what I'm doing in TV and film, and also what, you know, me and the family are up to. So.

[Ben]

Yeah. And everyone, not only should you listen to podcasts, but you should go back and watch the episodes of Southside and Sherman Showcase.

[Diallo]

They're really fun. They're very fun shows. 100 Rotten Tomatoes, we're proud of that.

[Ben]

There we go.

[Diallo]

And, you know, I don't think either show ever lost a fan.

[Ben]

Well, hopefully Southside gets a second life somewhere someday.

[Diallo]

You know, here's the funny thing. Just to talk. Quick shop, we recently sold a pitch, and it is very similar to Southside without being another season of Southside. A lot of the same brain trust, some new brains involved, and we're really, really excited about that. Don't want to jinx it by naming it, but I think stay tuned.

[Ben]

Okay, well, great. Looking forward to when you do some stunt casting with Lisa Hochstein.

[Diallo]

Hey, can I. Can I plug something real quick?

[Ben]

100.

[Diallo]

Pick up this book ages for Housewives. This is by a good, good friend, Lindsay Rosenberg.

[Ben]

Okay.

[Diallo]

When I'm not listening to your podcast, I have a thread with Lindsay and my wife and our friend Paul and all in this. We just go to town on all this Bravo stuff. It's so much fun.

[Ben]

Yeah. H is for Housewives. Lindsay illustrated this and did the whole thing and she's great. And we love Lindsay and we love your wife and we love Paul too, by the way, thank you for being here and thank you everyone for. For being here as well. And we will catch you on the next episode of Watch what happens. Bye, everyone.

[Diallo]

Take care.

[Ben]

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