#2919 RHOC S19E01 Part 1: There’s The Golden Door, Shannon Beador! With Amy Phillips

Summary

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Episode Title: #2919 RHOC S19E01 Part 1: There’s The Golden Door, Shannon Beador! With Amy Phillips
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Guest: Amy Phillips
Release Date: July 11, 2025

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Introduction to Episode

The episode kicks off with the hosts, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam, alongside special guest Amy Phillips, diving into the season premiere recap of "The Real Housewives of Orange County" (RHOC) Season 19, Episode 1, titled "Revolving Door of Lies."

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Recap of RHOC Season Premiere

Shannon Beador and New Beginnings

• Shannon's New House:
  The discussion begins with Shannon Beador moving into a new, larger home in Beverly Hills, signifying a fresh start. Ben shares his apprehensions about her previous cramped living conditions, humorously describing them as "post John Jansen house" with "nautical" elements like a central staircase and odd kitchen layout.

  Ben Mandelker [12:05]: "There's a lot of... staircase, kitchen table. You know, it was just a lot of."

• Offering Food to Pets:
  A split-screen scene shows both Shannon and Tamara offering treats to their dogs, highlighting their dual roles as caregivers and maintaining their personal struggles.

  Amy Phillips [13:24]: "How to feed the furry animals in their lives."

Gina Kirschenheider's Dynamic Appearance

• Gina's Style and Energy:
  Gina Kirschenheider is spotlighted for her ever-changing styles and heightened catty behavior. The hosts playfully critique her frequent style changes and her dramatic voice, comparing her to a roller coaster.

  Ronnie Karam [05:41]: "By the way, fun fact, Kentucky Doozy is the name of Gina's stylist."

• Emotional Scenes:
  Gina delivers heartfelt monologues, notably one where she thanks Amy for bringing authenticity to her character's emotional journey. However, the hosts humorously point out that despite her dramatic moments, her monologues often translate to comical misunderstandings within the household.

  Ben Mandelker [51:09]: "You really translated the emotional and spiritual growth that she felt going to Bali."

Heather Dubrow and Terry Dubrow's LA Penthouse

• Asbestos Controversy:
  Heather Dubrow discusses issues related to asbestos in their newly purchased Beverly Hills penthouse, revealing past family traumas and the challenges of renovating the property. The conversation humorously exaggerates Heather's obsession with the renovation costs and offers playful banter about her interactions with neighbors like Drake.

  Ronnie Karam [64:16]: "When we bought the Beverly Hills house, I had a really good plan. We were going to buy this house, renovate it... but now look at us."

• Terry's Response:
  Terry Dubrow reacts to the asbestos issue with exaggerated threats, adding a comedic twist to the serious topic.

  Ronnie Karam [65:07]: "She shows up in Dorit's house. This is mine now."

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Key Storylines and Discussions

Katie Kennedy and Emily Simpson's Conflict

• Reunion Drama:
  The core drama revolves around Emily Simpson's confrontation with Katie Kennedy during the reunion, where sensitive topics like child custody are brought to light. The episode delves into the aftermath of this confrontation, highlighting lingering tensions and the repercussions on their friendships.

  Ronnie Karam [41:08]: "She was shaming her, and I just felt like that was... I thought that was shitty."

• Nanny Scandal:
  A significant plot point involves a former nanny of Emily revealing troubling allegations about Emily's parenting, which Katie inadvertently amplifies by connecting the nanny with a podcaster. This causes further strain between Emily and Katie, leading to intense discussions about privacy and reputation.

  Ronnie Karam [44:56]: "I told her, look, this is the podcast. I'm assuming their email is probably... [e-mail]."

Mental Health and Family Issues

• ARFID Awareness:
  A poignant moment in the episode is Emily Simpson sharing her son Luke's diagnosis of Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder (ARFID), bringing attention to the challenges of managing such conditions within a high-profile family. The hosts commend Emily for shedding light on this often-overlooked issue, emphasizing the importance of awareness and proactive treatment.

  Ronnie Karam [55:14]: "Good on Emily. Good on Emily."
  Amy Phillips [75:36]: "People can talk."

• Tamara Judge's Therapy Session:
  The episode also portrays Tamara Judge attending a therapy session, showcasing her struggles with processing trauma. The hosts humorously depict her melodramatic responses, blending genuine mental health discussions with their characteristic humor.

  Ronnie Karam [76:26]: "I love therapy. I had therapy two days ago."

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Notable Quotes

• Ben on Mitford Sisters Drama:

  "We're talking drama, scandal, aristocratic chaos and a whole lot of jaw drops." [00:00]

• Amy on ARFID Podcast Recommendation:

  "So there's this podcast, it's called Parenting Survival at Parenting Survival. And it's all about like, it's this. She's a, I think she's a therapist." [72:40]

• Ronnie on Emotional Monologues:

  "You really translated the emotional and spiritual growth that she felt going to Bali." [51:09]

• Amy on Therapy and Personal Growth:

  "I just really like listening to her podcast and learning all about this different stuff... it's nice to hear someone label it because it's not something like you said that people really know about." [75:15]

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Humorous Interludes and Banter

Throughout the episode, the hosts and guest engage in light-hearted banter, often mocking the show's dramatic moments while maintaining a tone of affectionate ridicule. They playfully interact with each other, creating a dynamic and entertaining listening experience.

• Dynamic Lane Joke:

  Ronnie Karam [32:13]: "Okay, Okay. Well, now it's time. It's time."

• Gina's Monologue Mishap:

  Ronnie Karam [49:37]: "I feel bad. Are you a Gina fan, by the way? Because I. Oh, no, I love Gina."
  Amy Phillips [50:04]: "Okay. Travis and I have made the decision to move back in together..."

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Conclusion and Teasers

As the episode wraps up Part 1, the hosts tease Part 2 of the recap, promising more in-depth analysis and humorous insights into the unfolding drama of RHOC Season 19. They encourage listeners to stay tuned for the continuation, ensuring engagement and anticipation for the next installment.

Ben Mandelker [82:14]: "You've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of "Watch What Crappens" effectively blends humor with genuine discussions about the interpersonal dramas and real-life issues faced by the cast of RHOC. By highlighting both the sensational and serious aspects of the show, the hosts provide a comprehensive and engaging summary that appeals to both regular listeners and newcomers.

Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Amy Phillips]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today in the place of Ronnie Caram, who, when we last checked, he was rolling around the quiet woman throwing plates at people. Getting kicked out is very unfortunate. It's the one and only Amy Phillips of Drama Darling. Hi, Amy. How are you? So good to see you.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, my gosh, it's so great to see you. I'm so excited to be here. Hello to all of your amazing listeners and to my amazing darling listeners who I know are listening as well.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, we love the darling listeners. We love all the darlings and. But by the way, before we even get one inch into this recap, you all must subscribe to Drama Darling, because Amy Phillips is hilarious and wonderful, and, I mean, I really could think of no better person outside of Ronnie Caram to come recap the season premiere of Orange county, no less.

[Amy Phillips]

I am humbled beyond belief. Humbled, if you will. I'm about to buy a house in Beverly Hills filled with asbestos. That's how humble I feel. I'm gonna poison myself. I'm just so excited to be here. Thank you for having me. Cheers to our Orange ladies. This is so exciting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cheers. Cheers to them and their new faces. They're, you know, like Dr. Debreau has been busy. I mean, wonderful.

[Amy Phillips]

Even put Heather in red. I couldn't believe it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I could. I couldn't. I couldn't believe it. I felt like the Dubrow's Los Angeles property felt like a little bit like some of those facelifts. I saw this this week. I just was kind like there was some renovation, but is it maybe all done? I'm not sure. Right.

[Amy Phillips]

Are we going to still pull that side up or. Heather's like, yes, we need to do more work. At least the floors. I was like, tear this thing down. What are you doing?

[Emily Simpson]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Please tear it down. We will not adjudicate that. I am so happy to have Orange county back. I love Orange County. I feel like Orange county has been on such a roll for the past three or four years. It's been so good. But also, you know, these are some of my favorite people to make fun of. And it's a real doozy right out the gates this season. I mean, everyone is. Everyone's, like, supercharged. It feels like we're already, like, halfway through the season. And it was just like the. It was. Only the premiere is wild.

[Amy Phillips]

You use the word doozy, and you're right, it was. It just came out of those gates like, you know, the Kentucky Derby. And these ladies are a running Kentucky doozy. They're like, it's going to be a super size, so we better get it rolling, ladies.

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way, fun fact, Kentucky Doozy is the name of Gina's stylist. I'm pretty convinced every new season, every new season, she starts up with a new look. That's crazy. And I was like, what is happening with Gina?

[Amy Phillips]

Look, I gotta look good for the real estate.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She's also becoming much more cat skills than ever before.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I think you guys should talk, talk, talk for once or twice. You gotta get to the bottom of it.

[Amy Phillips]

No, her voice is like a roller coaster. You don't know it goes up, you're not sure when it's coming down. It's like a demon drop. Shout out to any of the Cedar Point Midwest people who know what that is. Just basically a ride. That roller coaster, it just drops, you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Know, Drops like a Schurtenheiden dirt. I just don't know how to say her last name.

[Amy Phillips]

It sounds like Gewurza Meaner. It sounds like one of those like German sweet wines that you don't want to with where you're like, if I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Drink this, she's got a sweet wine last name that you don't want to with.

[Emily Simpson]

I'm drinker Hirschneider.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't. I don't know how to say it. Kirkenheider.

[Amy Phillips]

Don't, don't. I'm not gonna even tell you because I like how you mess it up.

[Ronnie Karam]

I like messing it up. Okay, this is gonna be a five hour recap. I can already tell.

[Amy Phillips]

I know. We haven't even started. Okay, I'm gonna stop.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Amy Phillips]

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[Ronnie Karam]

I will let them know. That's so lovely. So go check that out. And then yesterday we had, in case you missed it, a really fun State of the Union with Love island with Hunter Harris. So it's been great. And Ronnie will be back after a week. He's off. He's getting Some much deserved time off. You know, I took my time off in May because I went on this trip to Norway, which is when you were last year. Amy, you filled in for me, so.

[Amy Phillips]

I loved your pictures and updates. That looked amazing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you. It was a great time. It was like the. I was like, I know there's a Gina Kirschenheider joke in here somewhere. I almost said it was like Gina Hirschenheiter of trips. And I was like, wait, why would I ever say that? Why would I ever say that about Norway? It was great. So now I took some time off. So now Ronnie gets some time off. And we are so glad that you're here. Do you have. Can you tell people, by the way, where they can follow you on social media before we dive into this recap at.

[Amy Phillips]

Meet Amy Phillips, at me, Danny Phillips. That's all.

[Emily Simpson]

Let's go.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love this Gina. Does Gina think. Because it sounds like she's. It sounds like it's. She's saying, like, about to say, everything must go.

[Emily Simpson]

We've got carpets. Carpets and rugs and sofas. Everything must go. Prices are lower than ever before.

[Amy Phillips]

Yes, yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

She sort of has that vibe.

[Amy Phillips]

She does.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. Okay. Well, now it's time. It's time. I am now redirecting my attention to the notes to talk about this episode. Real Housewives of Orange county, season 19. This is crazy. This show, like, this show could be in college at this point. Not that it ever would be.

[Amy Phillips]

It's in France and it's going to raves. You know what I mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

This show is actually almost eligible to be on Next Gen New York City. So this episode is called Revolving Door of Lies, which is funny because Terry and I are going to add a revolving door to the front of our house.

[Amy Phillips]

And it has asbestos in it, but it's protected from other asbestos getting in it. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

If you ever come for me and my asbestos again, it will cost you a lot. That is not a threat. That is a promise. My favorite monologue of the past five or ten years has to be Heather Dubrow saying that to Shannon at the end of an episode while wearing, like, a little ribbon in her hair. That was just one of my favorite moments.

[Amy Phillips]

Good selection, Ben. Really good choice on a favorite monologue. I love that she had the dramatic pauses. You're right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Amy Phillips]

Shannon let it go. Shannon just sat in it and let it roll over her. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

There really is some value in casting Real Housewives who were in theater club because when they have their big moment, they really know how to take it, like. Like they practice it in the mirror. They've. They've maybe sang Les Mis right beforehand. They're, like, in the mood, and they're gonna. Like, they're gonna. Because she did it to Taylor Armstrong with the IMDb fight. Like, she does it once a year. Heather finds someone, she puckers up that mouth, and then she just rails into them.

[Amy Phillips]

Wow, you're right. I never even clocked that. I wonder who it will be this year.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm gonna have to say I think she's gonna take another go at Katie, based on the way that they're all going for Katie this. This episode, you know?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we begin, and we see, like, a little teaser of what's to come, which is basically all of them taking a polygraph, which is exciting.

[Amy Phillips]

It is funny.

[Ronnie Karam]

Were they. Were they. Was the cash strips in, like, North Korea or something? Were they. Were they, like. You know, like, there's, like that. There's, like, a room on the border there. Like, were they. Were they in that border room? And they're like, why are you here? Why are you in this country at the moment?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. The producers are like, so, ladies, this year we're going to send you to a questionable area. Just go with it.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, if I can do some healing, I'll be for it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we see Shannon Shan's in a new house, and she's got. And she's getting some treats for Archie.

[Amy Phillips]

I love that new house. Thank God she's out of that old one. I couldn't. Couldn't wrap my head around that. I was getting claustrophobia.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. You know what's so funny? I have a mental block on what her old house looked like. It was like the post John Jansen house. Or was it the.

[Amy Phillips]

It was during the John. It was, like, nautical.

[Emily Simpson]

Nautical.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right.

[Amy Phillips]

There's, like, a fridge area. Yeah. It was just odd staircase right in the middle of everything. Like, staircase, kitchen table. You know, it was just a lot of.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. No needed. It's time for a new house. So we see, like, this split screen of, like, her and Tamara, and they're both like. Like, Shannon's offering Archie something to eat, but then Tamara is offering Eddie something to eat.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, you shady, shady, shady. Producers, editors.

[Ronnie Karam]

It speaks to the duality of their lives. Like, gosh, these women are fighting, but, like, they are dealing with the same struggles every day. How to. How to. How to feed. How to feed the men in their lives.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. How to feed the furry animals in their lives. You know, maybe Tamara will get another man just to Help keep Eddie, you know, more youthful. Just like, Shannon got another dog. Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

She'll get another. Just.

[Emily Simpson]

Just that way they can keep company. He doesn't get sad. He needs a friend.

[Amy Phillips]

He doesn't get into my business. It's disgusting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, wait. You know what's funny? I'm actually. I take it all back. I'm looking at the notes. I misread it. Tamara is also feeding a dog. She's not feeding a dog. Shut up. She's feeding her dog named Rugby.

[Amy Phillips]

Wow. I like your edited version better. We'll keep it at.

[Ronnie Karam]

I could see Tamara offering no defeat. Eddie and him being like, no, thanks.

[Amy Phillips]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's full of charisma.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

At all times.

[Amy Phillips]

I can't get enough of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He's insatiable. So then we go over to Gina, and she's listing something in Mission Viejo, and she's with Travis, and she's like.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, I want you to be in the video a little bit. Okay, can you get in the video, Travis?

[Ronnie Karam]

Because nothing's gonna sell a house like Travis. Right?

[Amy Phillips]

Talk about charisma.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, the secret. Barbara Corcoran built her empire on Travis cameos.

[Amy Phillips]

He sure did. She sure did. Shout out, Barbara.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shout out to Barbara Corcoran. So she's like, yeah, okay, come over here.

[Emily Simpson]

You know, because, like, can you do these moves? Can you walk around the kitchen island? Because this is an important move. Okay, look at me. Look as I walk around the kitchen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Island, and she does this move where she. She sort of, like, glides her hand across the kitchen island as she. As she sort of circles around it. Would that make. Would that. Would that move the needle for you, you think?

[Amy Phillips]

Absolutely. I mean, I love, you know, taking my finger and just gliding it across a nice piece of marble and hearing someone's voice be like, this marble is from. And peace in the. Cory. Do you like it?

[Emily Simpson]

This is 100% authentic Italian Carrera marble, and you could have it for the low, low price of $960,000.

[Amy Phillips]

Starting lovers now. Click the link in bio.

[Ronnie Karam]

I also like that she's both. Sounds like she's a salesperson, like, advertising a sale, but also perhaps a ghost, too.

[Emily Simpson]

Like, be careful. Be careful of the kitchen island. It has memories.

[Ronnie Karam]

Could you imagine if you got haunted by her?

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, it'd be kind of a delight, because it would not be scary at all. You know, you'd just be like, just give me a cup of coffee while you're moving around my kitchen. Translucent.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, it would just be a ghost that burdens you with too many of its emotional issues.

[Emily Simpson]

Like, I feel bad. I was like talking to Abraham Lincoln and then she like went off to.

[Ronnie Karam]

Talk to George Washington.

[Emily Simpson]

And I was like, what? I'm like, not good enough for you anymore? And then it turns out that he was like talking to all the bloggers about me and I was like, I thought we were friends. I have lost all trust in Abraham Lincoln.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're like, oh, my God. Can I just have my copy?

[Amy Phillips]

Charlotte Bronte is so mad at her sisters and the abolot on big B. Get out of my house.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stop coming to my house to vent about your issues with other ghosts. And why are you with such famous ghosts anyway? How did you get this access?

[Amy Phillips]

How did you VIP.

[Ronnie Karam]

Whoever is putting her back on the show season after season is giving her access to Charlotte Bronte. It's just not right.

[Amy Phillips]

It's not.

[Ronnie Karam]

So.

[Amy Phillips]

I'm happy about her being a real estate agent though.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love is very fun. Like, I really, I. I really, I want to see her on one of these, like, real estate shows. One of these high powered real estate shows, like selling OC or something where they're like, I'm a boss. Boss.

[Emily Simpson]

I'm selling real estate. Real estate.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because I'm closing pre certified.

[Emily Simpson]

You know, I found a good one bedroom condo that I think could be very good fit for.

[Amy Phillips]

They have to slow down the music.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought the curb your enthusiasm music would play like.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, you're right.

[Emily Simpson]

It's not a sub zero fridge, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

It'S a brand called Zero fridge, which I forgot to tell you. There's no fridge here. I guess that's why that's called the zero fridge.

[Amy Phillips]

You gotta get your own fridge. Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Which is good because I'm also moonlighting at best boy. Coming now. Fridges are on sale for the next 12 hours.

[Amy Phillips]

July 4th sale last until the 11th. So really drilled down on Gina.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is what I do. I feel bad. Are you a Gina fan, by the way? Because I. Oh, no, I love Gina.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, no, I love Gina, but I love going hard on her. Like, it's out of love. Yeah, absolutely.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Like she. My arc with Gina is at the beginning of the season. She always drives me absolutely nuts. And then midway through, I say, you know what? I kind of like her. I feel bad.

[Emily Simpson]

I feel bad.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what she always does. Every single episode, I feel bad. And then like by the end of season, like, Gina.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So that's my standard, like, path.

[Amy Phillips]

It's your arc.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then, so then Emily is skating with her family And Keller, her son smacks her. Oh, no. Shane smacks her on the butt. So they're up to the same hijinks as usual. They're always a barrel of laughs, that family.

[Amy Phillips]

Those little love. Love bundles.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shane. Wow. Talk about a man who could sell a house or two. That guy.

[Amy Phillips]

Did you ever think he was funny or.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no, no. Did you think he was funny?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. There have been times where I found him. Like when he first joined. When they first joined, I understood where he was going with his humor. It seemed pretty harsh, but I was like, he's got a dry sense of humor. Just lay off. And it just seemed awkward and a weird edit. So I appreciate that he has a dry sense of humor. I'm not saying it's, you know, he nails it every time, but I really, I haven't had a problem with him. I think he's fine.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, like shout out to all our dry kings out there, you know, and Queens holler.

[Amy Phillips]

Menopause.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wasn'T it? Didn't Kelly Dodd have a moment once where she said some something like, yeah, you're funny. We're like funny looking. Did she say that?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Was that towards Shane or is that just towards someone else? No, I just like that phrase. Yeah, that phrase came like, right roaring into my head just now. Funny. More like funny looking. And it became a thing. Everyone's like, ah, Kelly.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, Kelly.

[Ronnie Karam]

How could you say that?

[Amy Phillips]

Kelly, Kelly, Kelly, Kelly, Kelly, Kelly.

[Emily Simpson]

We don't talk about people's looks.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Amy Phillips]

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[Ronnie Karam]

There we go. From Emily, you know, skating with her family to the de Bruyos in their LA penthouse in Century City, I believe. And they're just being so debro y. Terry's like, well, you know, you notice my change with the gym down. Check out my abs. She's like, oh, yes, I can definitely see plenty of abs there. Terry, that was acting. Syracuse School of Dramatic Arts, thank you very much.

[Amy Phillips]

There's applause in the back. She has an applause machine going.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, and now I will submit my tape once again for Fantine on Broadway.

[Amy Phillips]

Excuse me. Send.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's exactly how she sends her emails. You know that she does. She says it. Send. Every time she hears the airplane noise, she's like, terry, was that a private jet? No. Okay, never mind.

[Amy Phillips]

Terry, our jets leaving without us. Oh, it's just me sending again. Right, kids? You just send it. Are we sending it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry, my electronic mail just departed.

[Amy Phillips]

Wheels up, Terry.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wheels.

[Amy Phillips]

Emails up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Emails are up and out. She's all cold. Have you heard about the World Wide Web? Turns out we have access to it, so let's get on it. Terry, wheels up on the web.

[Amy Phillips]

Wheels up. Also, I heard there's colors. Have you seen these colors? I'm gonna wear red now. It's another color other than black.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now that I live in Los Angeles, I'm going to experiment with the Pantones over here. Red. What a revelation. I was talking to my very dear friend Dinah Manoff, who said that if you want to get ahead in this business, you have to wear red.

[Amy Phillips]

She said, it's a power color. You can send 140 emails in 30 seconds.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then I gave her the three quarters she needed for a parking meter and we hugged and said goodbye. Which didn't make sense because she was paying for parking but also leaving at the same time. This is why she's not farther ahead.

[Amy Phillips]

I'm sorry, Further ahead.

[Ronnie Karam]

Go tell that to Wendy Malik. So.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh my God, that's hilarious.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're basically talking about. Terry's talking about how he has abs and Heather's like, well, I would do you. He goes, oh, yeah, tonight, hopefully. As long as there's Reverse cowgirl. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha. I'm laughing because I know exactly what that is. It's a. It's a young adult novel. Of course. Reverse cowgirl.

[Emily Simpson]

Correct.

[Amy Phillips]

I know exactly what that is. Poor Terry. He doesn't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love when Terry and Heather do their at home scenes where they try to seem like just this happy, fun, relatable couple.

[Amy Phillips]

Right. That have sex and.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right. And they like laugh really hard at each other's jokes on camera.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's always a thrill for me.

[Amy Phillips]

It is. Because after cut, it's like no eye contact.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, wasn't there a scene last year when I think like she was getting like a testing done. Testing done. Like about like a mammogram or whatever. And she was like, okay, Terry, you stand there, you're supposed to walk in. I'm gonna go in. In the hospital gown. Then you walk in. No, you didn't walk in correctly. Okay. From the top. And they just kept it all in there. Remember?

[Emily Simpson]

They like.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was something like she had like, she was like mad at him for like not doing the scene properly.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, I do remember her being. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do remember. I do remember her being mad at him for something that was like they broke the fourth wall a little bit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, it was great.

[Amy Phillips]

Thank God. They should do that more often with them.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know, that's what I would love. I'm like kind of obsessed with them. So then we go to Shannon and she's picking up Katie to go somewhere and. Because that's what you do in Orange County.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You go someplace.

[Amy Phillips]

Orange Theory, whatever. Anywhere.

[Ronnie Karam]

Or any place that specifically if it has orange in the brand. Yeah, just a value. It's a value add.

[Amy Phillips]

Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. So it's. Shannon picks up Katie.

[Emily Simpson]

She's like, oh, my gosh, you're so summery.

[Ronnie Karam]

Which I feel like was her way.

[Emily Simpson]

Of being like, well, way to outshine me with your outfit today. Thanks a lot.

[Amy Phillips]

My color is summer. I can't believe that you came up Summery. I thought we were friends. I've been so nice to you.

[Emily Simpson]

I did tell the producer that today my theme was you'd be summer, and I thought that you'd be autumn, and we would be like, oh, my goodness, we are part of a calendar. But I guess you've chosen to be Summer, which is fine. I'm totally happy with that. But, you know, I didn't elect to be Summery, and that's fine. It's fine. I've just been on the show for 10 years. But that's okay. You can be Summery if you want.

[Amy Phillips]

She's like, hold on. I have to. I have to hang up with this blogger. I mean, my friend.

[Ronnie Karam]

My friend blogger.

[Emily Simpson]

So Shan's like, oh, how are you? Good to. Good to see. Remind me your name again.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's just like, yes. Shannon has no idea who Katie is. A whole season went by, she had no. Still has no idea who Katie is.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, she's kind of. That's why they're. They became close, because Shannon got reintroduced to her after they were leaving the reunion. And so Katie's like, by the way, I'm. I'm Katie. And Shannon's like, oh, nice to. Nice to meet you. I get. Do you live in Orange County? And then they just struck up a friendship after that.

[Emily Simpson]

Let me tell you about Tamara Judge.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Katie's like, yeah, I just got back from Arizona. Matt was hosting for the Golf Channel again, and it's like this crazy party.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, I know, I know. I know a lot of people who go every year. In fact, I was gonna tell you.

[Ronnie Karam]

About how I heard there was a.

[Emily Simpson]

Crazy party in Arizona, but that's okay. You can just steal the summary thing and the Arizona crazy party. That's fine. I'm fine.

[Amy Phillips]

I'll just check it off my list. No, I'll get white out. I'll just wipe out like it never happened. Like, I never took pen to paper and even wrote it down. Fine.

[Emily Simpson]

Do you mind holding the wheel through this intersection while I just wipe this out? 1. Thank you so much.

[Amy Phillips]

I have to shake this white out. My dad. My parents are in town, and, like, my dad is always asking for things. Like, the most random things. He's like, do you have an old credit card. Because he likes to, you know, scrape things off of the counter with an old credit card. Do you have an old rag? Do you have an old toothbrush? Do you have a white out? I mean, thank God I know him well enough. I had all those things ready to go. He's shaking it, like, with the little marble in there. All I hear is just shake, shake, shake, shake. I'm like, how many times you think, shake that white out anyway?

[Ronnie Karam]

I can't think of the last time I had to use whiteout. I guess because I just feel like I don't write stuff on with pen so much anymore.

[Amy Phillips]

Why would you need it? He's writing a check and he messed up. You know what I mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Mistakes happen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sometimes you just need to. And it would be, by the way, it would be Shannon. It would be Shannon Beador, who would come up with a list of the things she wants to talk about in the scene and would type it out and have the little printout hanging from her mirror.

[Emily Simpson]

Like, oh, well, Katie talked about that. So can you just wipe that out?

[Ronnie Karam]

Hanging like a parking tag.

[Emily Simpson]

Hey, one second.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, no, it tripped on me. Okay, this is toxic.

[Emily Simpson]

You know, I tried to find some at Whole Foods. They just gave me mayonnaise, which I accepted, but it was not the same.

[Amy Phillips]

I had to hang it because I'm trying to make it off gas. It's off gassing. I had to off gas my white house. Remember that?

[Emily Simpson]

Hi. I once off gassed it in an enclosed space. And let me tell you something. I was seeing lots of interesting visions. Don't off gas this near your nose.

[Amy Phillips]

That's why she doesn't remember me from last season.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. So, Shannon. So Katie's talking about this party, which I think if I. Speaking of Kelly Dodd, I remember she talked about this. There's a big golf party that happens in Phoenix. It's a golf tournament that's hosted by the Phoenix Sanitation Department, or Garbage. It's like the Garbage International. It's literally called something something garbage. And people go out to this golf course.

[Amy Phillips]

All the Real Housewives are invited.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's called the Vicki Gumbelson 18 hole extravaganza and hosted by the Greater Garbage Services of Phoenix. So Katie's saying it was a sea of penis.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, yes. Well, you know, I did my manifestation for 2025, and men are not on my list because I'm gonna have fun. Fun. Shannon is here. Wow. A lot of lanes on this highway.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, Shannon, you're just holding that white out a little Too close.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, I, I, I, I wondered why things were starting to widen.

[Emily Simpson]

I've never seen the, I thought they had built in those new dynamic roads that, that adjust the lanes as you, as you drive. No, dynam, I was manifesting that for.

[Amy Phillips]

2025 also, because driving in Orange county and beyond is very challenging.

[Emily Simpson]

It's about time they introduced roads, lanes that accommodated your needs. If I look back to where I was a year ago, I am a completely different person. I don't even think about John Jansen at all. I mean, I did settle the lawsuit suit because, you know, it was more important for me not to have ties to him anymore. So we settled for $60,000. So enjoy that wedding I'm paying for.

[Amy Phillips]

That was wild. That was wild. Yes. I was like, good for you. But, you know, John really did get a nice chunk from her. Son of a bitch.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, a very nice chunk. I don't think he deserved a single dime. I'm gonna say that right now.

[Amy Phillips]

I'm gonna agree.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not even a penny. Nothing. But he got it and she had to move on. And, and, and the good news is she 100% is not even thinking about John Johnson whatsoever.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, there's his house. You know, it's so funny. John Jansen, funny story. One time John Jansen had to buy a tennis racket off of ebay and he met the person right there.

[Amy Phillips]

That's so random. Oh, and look over there. There's somebody's towing their boat. They must be going boating. I grew up on boats and John Jansen loves boats. And we would fight, we would just fight the dickens about how to steer the boat and how to park the boat and dock it. And I was always right.

[Emily Simpson]

You know what's great about the ocean? It's kind of like a built in dynamic lane, if you think about it. So, I mean, I don't know why we're all just not voting like John Jansen did.

[Amy Phillips]

Why don't we just fill the streets with water?

[Emily Simpson]

So, so anyway, Katie, Katie it is. Right? Yes. I invited, I invited everyone to the Golden Corral, but unfortunately things got some, something got mixed up and we were going to someplace called the Golden Door instead, which is nice. I hope they have a nice selection of food.

[Amy Phillips]

The golden corral cost $12,000 for 10 days.

[Emily Simpson]

I was wondering when they told me that it cost $12,000 to go the Golden Corral, I thought, well, certainly someone has a Groupon. You know, I understand that there's inflation, but this is a bit excessive.

[Amy Phillips]

I mean, is there buffet really? That great? I mean, do they have dog treats on.

[Emily Simpson]

Seems a bit rich for me, for my blood. Maybe Heather Dubrow would like it, but I'm not gonna pay $12,000 for a reasonable buffet.

[Amy Phillips]

Reasonable.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she. She's invited everyone to this place called the Golden Door. Have you ever heard of the Golden Door before? I've never heard of it, no. I sounds like it's a place was.

[Amy Phillips]

Confused because I thought it was Mira. What is it called? Mirabel or Miramax or Mira. That's. It's something talking about that.

[Ronnie Karam]

We thought they were gonna go to the Miramax revival. They're like, you know what? It's time. Let's bring this brand back.

[Amy Phillips]

Miramax.

[Emily Simpson]

We're going to a film festival.

[Amy Phillips]

Mirror, mirror on the wall. Who's the Miramax of them all? It's me.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's doing into a rear view mirror. Shannon, you have to lay off the whiteout. We have to get. I don't know where we're going, but we have to get there in one piece, please.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, I thought I was in a castle.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're gonna go to this place and she's really excited. It's like a place for healing, etc, and, you know, she's gonna bring all her friends to it. So then they arrive at this car dealership to look at cars for Katie. And so they. They get there and Katie's, like, looking there. It's like, it's immaterial that they're looking for cars because they do some talk about it, but really they're there just to gossip some more now that they're like, they've arrived. And also for Shannon to get some air in her tires, because that killed me.

[Amy Phillips]

I love that line when she was like, excuse me, can somebody please give me some air in my tire? I love when she gets all quiet.

[Emily Simpson]

I unfortunately had to pay John Jansen in air, so he's taking my air and water.

[Amy Phillips]

I paid in air and water.

[Emily Simpson]

Do you happen to have some sort of trail mix also? Not for the tires.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just.

[Emily Simpson]

I was. I'm just a bit peckish at the moment.

[Amy Phillips]

Because I found out that the Golden Door is not the Golden Corral. And I was really saving up my appetites. My appetite.

[Emily Simpson]

I guess now that we're at. Now that you have sourced some trail mix, you don't have to have any casamigos, do you?

[Amy Phillips]

Sourced.

[Emily Simpson]

Do you have casamigos? You do? Okay, I'll have some enchiladas too.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, Shannon, you're turning this into a restaurant. You're Escalating this.

[Amy Phillips]

Do you have a Mexican band that can come out? I am famished.

[Emily Simpson]

Famished both for food and for entertainment.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my goodness. So then. So she's. Katie's telling us that, like, you know, Shannon and I had a blast after our reunion. This was me after. After the reunion, talking with Shannon. Ha ha ha ha ha. God, what a fun time. Anyway, Shannon and I got a little closer, and I felt like Shannon was one of the few only ones that stick up for me. And then I felt like it was real turning point for us in our friendship. And I think this is where. Is this where we saw the flashback of Shannon sticking up for Katie when you had Emily being like, well, why'd you lose custody? You lost custody. That was ridiculous. You know, we saw you lost custody.

[Emily Simpson]

And then Shannon goes, there's a. There's a lot of investigation happening.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like, really? Was that the best they could show Shannon standing up for Katie?

[Amy Phillips]

She was just saying something. It was a statement. It wasn't even anything other than just an observation.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kitty's like, fine, I'll take it. I'm dying up here.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for that. Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Shannon's like, so.

[Emily Simpson]

By the way, I was with Emily yesterday, which wasn't fun for either of us. But at this point, I'm still fighting with Tamara and Heather to bro Liz some place where she's wearing red. So I'm left with very few options to shoot with. But I was with Emily. And, you know, there are certain things, like, you know, you just. You don't go there. You don't go there. Once your kids are brought up with your daughter, you just don't do that at all. You do not bring the kids into it. Hold on. I have to shoot a scene with my three daughters. One second.

[Amy Phillips]

Stella, are you okay? Are you doing drugs? Drugs kill you.

[Emily Simpson]

Drugs kill you. Okay, now excuse me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm gonna go back to this whiteout here.

[Emily Simpson]

A lot of things erase off the list. Katie is just chatterbox.

[Amy Phillips]

Anyway. Yes. 1,800-cars for Katie. 1,800cars for Katie. Ma', am, can you please step outside?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, she's crawling on the. She's crawling on the seven series. So the issue here is it's a throwback to last season when there was the whole hubbub, which I'd totally forgotten about, where Katie's daughter was babysitting for Emily's children. And Katie's daughter said that Emily's children said that their mom hates Heather Dubrow. Right. And then Callie mentioned it and, of course, said it in front of Tamara's. Then Tamara brings it up to Emily, and Emily's like, why is your daughter gossiping about my children? Yada, yada, yada. So this is like, we're still. We're having lingering. Not only lingering effects from this storyline. It has actually ballooned into its whole new inciting event for the season. And it's going to get dark.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, it is.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's gonna get wild. Well, not that dark. I mean, I don't know. I think it's also kind of silly, but, you know, what did you. What did you. Oh, I was gonna say, what did you think?

[Amy Phillips]

You have a problem with Emily bringing that up at the reunion about the custody?

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought that was. I thought that was bad. I thought that was really bad when they brought that up. Like, I looked it up, and, like, you lost custody? And she was, like, shaming her, and I just felt like that was. I thought that was shitty because. Because, like, Emily's a family lawyer, and I just felt like she knows that there's a lot of. There's a lot of, like, nuances to those situations. And, like, also to shame the wife and the. And the mother in that situation felt really icky to me. I didn't like that. What did you think?

[Amy Phillips]

I agree. I completely agree. I thought it was too far, and it seemed like she was doing it out of retribution. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Amy Phillips]

It just makes more sense why Katie would go low with the blogger stuff, because I think she's trying to get back at Emily.

[Ronnie Karam]

And, yeah, I'm like, firmly team Katie for this entire episode. I just. I'm gonna say this, like, straight up. I. I don't know if I'll stay team Katie, but as of right now, I just think that, like, everything that they brought up on the. At the reunion was really, like, gross. And I. And, like, Emily's like, I never said anything bad about Heather Dubrow, and how could you? I'm like, I 100% believe that Emily and Shane had conversations about her castmates, her co workers, and the kids overheard it. I 100% believe it. And she's embarrassed, and she's trying to deflect, you know, away from, you know, Heather's the wealthiest person on the cast, and she doesn't want to get on Heather's bad side.

[Amy Phillips]

I think ultimately, yeah, nobody does. And Heather doesn't want to get on anybody's bad side because she doesn't necessarily, like, she's not hanging. You know what I mean? They're not like, let's Go hang Heather.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she never could get on anyone's bad side because she is young and hip and cool, and everyone loves Heather to Breau.

[Amy Phillips]

I think that after this whole blogger things goes away and Katie apologizes for taking it a little bit too far, I think we have a clean slate. Because, honestly, I do see. Well, what Katie did was wrong.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Amy Phillips]

But I also can see why she would do it and why she would tit for tat. And so, because they're saying, like, we all agreed that we wouldn't do this after the reunion. It's like, well, yeah, after you just dragged Katie through the mud with the custody stuff, then you all agreed. So she needed to get one more jab in, I think, before she could let it go. And now we can call it event.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And I'm totally fine with that. I think get like one little, like a little thing on the side there, you know, so, you know, she's Shannon's.

[Emily Simpson]

Like, well, you know, but the thing is that Emily's ex nanny came forward.

[Ronnie Karam]

To talk, and Katie's like, yeah, she reached out to me, and we see this headline that says, emily Simpson's former nanny speaks out, saying, Emily's kids know everything and hated Heather Dubrow, which is such a funny.

[Amy Phillips]

It is hilarious.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Emily's kids hated Heather Debrow or that Emily hated Heather Debrow or all of the above. Did they just all hate Heather Debro in that episode?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, they just the whole. As a family. As a family unit.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's one of their favorite family activities together. Just to hate Heather to, bro.

[Amy Phillips]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

So Shannon's like, well, Emily is saying that you told the nanny where to put the information out there.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Katie then explains, she says, after the reunion, Emily's ex, you know, like, Emily's ex. And he, like, reached out to me and said, your daughter's not lying. And this is my experience. And it was just, like, really validating. And I said, there's nothing I can. Can do with this. So I told her, look, this is the p. The podcast that Cali just did my daughter. And she then reached out to the podcast, and I had nothing with any of that going out. That was nothing. I said, here, here. This is the podcast. I'm assuming their email is probably, like, contact@nanny nanny, dish.com blogger, post, social media.

[Amy Phillips]

At Gmail, and so be it.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, it wasn't, you know, the wrong hands.

[Amy Phillips]

You know, I just. So I laid it out like a golden corral buffet. And, you know, I wasn't in. I Didn't tell anybody to go pick it up or eat it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just happened to notice that there was a podcast that my daughter was on, and I don't know how she got on that either, but either way just happened.

[Amy Phillips]

Shannon tried a little. She was like, and you. Our kids say, don't go on podcast. Are you okay with that? She was like, yeah, yeah, I'm.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm okay with that.

[Amy Phillips]

I'm okay with that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm down. I'm down with it. Commercial.

[Amy Phillips]

Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

We acting bad, bad, bad, bad. We ain't trying to hurt nobody.

[Emily Simpson]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Emily Simpson]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Emily Simpson]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Emily Simpson]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Join Wonder plus in the Wondery app, Spotify or Apple. Apple podcasts right now. I just think it's also funny that there's all this discussion about, like, the etiquette of going onto a podcast or talking to the podcasters, talking to the gossip people when, like, Tamara has two T's in a pod, and that's, like, literally, like, she is as much a part of this ecosystem as anyone else is at this point. Gossip, like, Tamara, like, two teas in a pod.

[Emily Simpson]

We're all.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're all in it. We're all in the mix together. So they can't act like they are. Like, how could you talk to me?

[Amy Phillips]

Bloggers, right when they are.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is in it, you're part of it. You're part of the world.

[Amy Phillips]

It's so true. Bloggers are now a part of the entire, like, tapestry of these episodes. Now it. I don't know if I really like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's weird. But they're also, like, so obsessed with it because I think they're all just very concerned with controlling the narrative. And when they can't control the narrative, they lose their minds. Because, like, honestly, I think Emily, if it were me, I'd be like, okay, well, whatever. So It's a disgruntled ex nanny. Who cares? I'm moving on my life. I've got bigger fish to fry.

[Amy Phillips]

Right?

[Ronnie Karam]

But she's like, I'm gonna hire a lawyer. I'm like, Seems a bit excessive over an. Over an ex nanny, you know, saying some stupid headline.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, I. I can understand. I. I guess I can understand her putting a cease and desist out if she's saying stuff about her family and her kids. Because when it. When it comes to the kids, you know, so I do.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're off limits.

[Amy Phillips]

They're off limits. So I do feel like if I was in her position, I would be like, yeah, you were actually working for. For me, and those are my kids. And now you're speaking on behalf. Like, I would. I would probably do something legal too. So I'll go. Yeah, I'll go Team Emily on that one for sure. You gotta gag that nanny.

[Ronnie Karam]

You gotta gag the nanny.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. Order.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gag that nanny. Now we go back over to Gina's new house, and I have to say.

[Amy Phillips]

Gag that nanny.

[Emily Simpson]

Limits on time. Only gag that nanny. Sunday. Sunday. Sunday.

[Ronnie Karam]

She. She's finally moved into a larger house. Talk about claustrophobia. I mean, you said that you felt claustrophobic in Shannon's house. I mean, if I had to watch Gina cram another child into a closet and divide her.

[Amy Phillips]

Or a large clock.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's a lot. She was doing a lot in that small space, but she. She has a. A very big. She's moved into her house, and she had a very big moment because she went to. She went to Bali. Do you have. I don't know if you have the. If you happen to have the notes in front of you. Do you want to read this Gina monologue? But if you don't have the notes, then don't worry about it.

[Amy Phillips]

The Gina monologue. Yeah. Where did I put it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry. I know I was just sort of like, ambushed you with a monologue, but I just felt like this is such a big Gina Explanation on page three. We're only on page three of our notes.

[Amy Phillips]

Are you serious? Oh, that's hilarious.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, basically, yes, I've got it. Yes.

[Amy Phillips]

You see it, please, at the very bottom of three.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Amy Phillips]

Okay. Travis and I have made the decision to move back in together. There are not a lot of homes this size in my neighborhood. And last year, it was very easy to say, oh, we can't afford something together, because that wasn't the real issue. This is going to sound weird, but I took a trip to Bali or the summer and honestly, it was life changing trip. I so connected to the wind when I was there, and there were so many things I found out that I was living with fear and making decisions out of fear. Everything happened with Travis and his exit. Really scaredy. And I just hated it. With your life, dictate mine. Like, I feel free.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's beautiful. Thank you, Amy. Thank you. Thank you for like giving us a moment of Gina like that. That was.

[Amy Phillips]

Thank you. I don't know what it was.

[Ronnie Karam]

You really translated the. The emotional and spiritual growth that she felt going to Bali.

[Amy Phillips]

That's what Bali does.

[Ronnie Karam]

Unfortunately, it turns out Bali is a neighborhood bar and grill in Costa Mesa.

[Amy Phillips]

With an outdoor patio on the roof.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it gets a lot of wind, very windy.

[Emily Simpson]

As I was eating those mozzarella sticks, I realized, why am I living in fia?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Emily comes over and they know. They say hi and everything. And. And you know, it's baby steps for Gina because she's like, I need a couch.

[Emily Simpson]

I feel bad.

[Ronnie Karam]

And they just have like a bunch of Costco chairs set up and everything.

[Emily Simpson]

So Gina's like, I gotta tell you something. Okay. I went to. I went to the dog beach the other day with Jen and Shannon, and Jen basically told me that Katie did tell Jen that nanny reached out to Katie, and Katie give the information for that podcaster.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I had to, like, stop and rewind at the three times, like, they put up. I think they even put up, like a little infographic so we could follow what the hell she was saying.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

I still had to go back and rewatch it.

[Amy Phillips]

That's amazing. That was an amazing moment. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

She's like, so like. It's like this girl and Spacey like, hi, Katie. I want to ruin Emily's life and I want to talk about our children. And Katie's like, okay, here's the phone number. Like, go do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Because, like, Annabelle's friends all have Instagram and social media, and they tell her things that they read about her. Like, wait, that now Annabelle is in the mix here? What?

[Amy Phillips]

Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wonder if. Did the nanny have some stuff to say about Annabelle?

[Amy Phillips]

I know. Did she trash Annabelle? I know. I thought, well, is it that it's about her brothers and, like. And what are they making fun of her about? You know, I mean, I guess just being a Real Housewives daughter, I suppose.

[Ronnie Karam]

I guess so.

[Amy Phillips]

Kids can be brutal.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Kids are the worst. So, Emily.

[Amy Phillips]

Kill them all.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll kill you. She's like, I've never felt so violated in my life. I get that Katie can't control the fact that the nanny reached out to her. However, instead of telling me or ignoring it, she connected the nanny with a podcaster. Yeah, I guess probably, like, the. The way to build a relationship would be like, hey, just so you know, this nanny is starting to sniff around, and I want you to know, know I'm not taking the bait.

[Amy Phillips]

Right. But instead, you know, it sounds fun. You gotta do what you gotta do. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You gotta. Or you could say, hey, go. Go on to the nanny talk podcast and.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, right. You know, wouldn't it have been great if Emily's like, by the way, that nanny's been dead for four years.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're talking to a ghost. She's just like, oh, my God, you're.

[Emily Simpson]

Talking to a ghost, too. Wait a second.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Emily's just basically saying, you know, the problem is other bloggers read it and then they replicate it so that the general public can all comment on my parenting and my children. I'm like, that is true. But also, okay. I mean, you're on a reality show, and you, like, you know, a big part of it is that you're talking about your children. Like, you make us sit through scenes of taking Annabelle to modeling auditions, and. And, like, that's fine. That's what's going on in your life. But, like, if you want to protect your children, like, you really should not be on this show.

[Amy Phillips]

I agree. I mean, every time they talk about, like, we don't talk about the children. It's not about the children. Everything becomes about the children. Really? Yeah, because everybody steps over the boundaries.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And, like, literally the rest of Emily's episode is about her kid. So it's like. I mean, obviously it's not, like, talking shit about the kid. You know, that's for me to do. Guess what? It's coming up. No, just kidding. But. But, like, you know, the point is that, like, there's a risk. There's an inherent risk about, like, highlighting your children on tv. And I'm not being like, well, deal with it. But, like, like, also, you know, I don't know. I mean, like, yeah, people can talk.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, we'll talk.

[Amy Phillips]

People are going to talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

People can say things.

[Amy Phillips]

Speaking of. I don't mean to skip ahead, but the. The whole thing with Emily's son's eating disorder, the arfed thing, that's really intense. I mean, I. I could see that. I could see that in both ways. Like, in many ways, it's. It's going to be relatable for a lot of parents. Out there who have kids that, that struggle with this. I have heard of it and, and basically, like, I could see it being a good thing for her and for people to come together as a community, but it's also difficult to see it being exposed on this show. When he young, I, you know, I go back and forth.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel like I was actually. It's funny because I do sound like I'm sort of like all over the map here because I, I actually was really glad that that was profile because that's something I really didn't know about and I thought it was fascinating and I thought it was like a very real thing going on in her life. So, like, I want the housewives to show the real things and the struggles that they go through. And I found it was like compelling. And I like looked it up on my phone.

[Amy Phillips]

Wow. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And I just was. So. I like that she shared that and she brought awareness to it. But it's like, it's just, there's something I always find to be very hypocritical about. Really. Any housewife who's like, like, oh my God, I don't want people talking about my children. It's like, well, but just know it's. It can be a double edged sword. And like, yeah, you know, we don't try to make fun of the kids because they're just the kids unless the kids do something terrible. But. But it's just like, you know, I.

[Amy Phillips]

Hope that doesn't come back and backfire in any way, you know, because that'll be really awful. You know, you don't want to have anybody weaponize anything about their kids. And it ends up happening in a lot of shows, you know, they really do it. They do it a lot.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then there's some people who also just like play that card too. Like if someone just mentions like the word kid and like a theoretical, like they have people, they just lose their mind.

[Emily Simpson]

Like, do not clean up the children.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is not about, you know, like, I was talking about a goat, a kid goat, you know.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, right, right.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then, so back to Shannon and Katie. And you know, Katie is saying like, you know, she was okay, you know, with Cali telling her. She's like, I was okay with, you know, Callie telling her truth. But I was also pissed, I mean, because like, you talk about my custody and something that was extremely painful to not just me, but those three kids. And that's just not apples to apples. Shannon.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I didn't realize we could get a computer here. So I will if we, if there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are any apples around.

[Amy Phillips]

Let me put this orange down. No, I'm not going to put an orange down. Never, ever.

[Emily Simpson]

It goes surprisingly well with this trail mix.

[Amy Phillips]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

So basically Katie's like, yeah, like they, they brought up this thing at the reunion and it was shitty and like everything has been squashed. They bring it back up again and I never got an apology. And like them. This thing with the nanny does not even compare to what they brought up at the reunion and what they aired out. So. And I kind of agree, to be honest.

[Amy Phillips]

I agree. I do, you know, I agree. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. So then Gina, meanwhile, is like, you.

[Emily Simpson]

Know, I've had it with her. Like, like, so, like I have to get this out because, like, it actually is like, like, okay, so I called Katie to invite her to coffee because I've had it with her. I've absolutely had it.

[Ronnie Karam]

This. I guess this is gonna be the new. This is what Gina does. The top of the season. She just like goes hard after someone. She's like, I'm gonna eat a coffee and I'm gonna yell at you. Yeah, because that's she did last year, the Jen, she said, yes, you're not paying your mortgage or your, your rent.

[Amy Phillips]

Right, right. And I'm in real estate, so I know about that now. License.

[Emily Simpson]

Did you know that they call it lent to let in Europe? Yeah, I know these things. I work in real estate now now.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. So Emily is like, she's like, well, I want to go, but I have mom things going on. She's like, really hard. So now we come back over to as a new scene and Shan's at house and now she is like FaceTiming with Stella and she's like, oh, so.

[Emily Simpson]

What country are you in now, Stella?

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, amsterdam.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, well, that's not technically a country, it's a city, but that's okay. I'm so happy for that education we paid thousands of dollars for. She's like, so what are you going to be doing in Amsterdam and why are you still up, missy? It should be as 8 o' clock over there, far as I can tell.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, we go to a rave.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, oh, a rave. I'm not sure I understand what a rave actually is. Is that French for going to bed early or am I.

[Amy Phillips]

Are you gonna meet up with a fine gentleman at a coffee shop? Is that what a rave is?

[Emily Simpson]

Will you be writing a very positive review of an establishment? A rave?

[Amy Phillips]

Are you getting on top of a bar and dancing like your mother? On Love Hotel.

[Emily Simpson]

Are you going to be wild and hilarious and fun? Will Earl the Pearl be there? Will Earl the Pearl be there?

[Amy Phillips]

Earl.

[Ronnie Karam]

Earl the Pearl. It's like, no, it started like 11 and it's like going to go until like 7 in the morning. And the DJ I'm going to go see is that from 2:30 to 5:30.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, well, you mean drug o', clock, Missy.

[Amy Phillips]

Drug. I'm just so proud of, of my Stella. Somebody who was like, mom, I hate you. I, I, I, I'm never leaving this house. I'm going to take this house from you and dad and I, I don't like anybody in this family is thriving in Amsterdam. I, I can't believe it.

[Emily Simpson]

Wow. Maybe she will run into her new stepmother there in one of the windows where all the sluts are. I'm sorry, red light district. This is more like the red light district because I am seeing red right now. Stella, you get back into bed.

[Amy Phillips]

Okay, Mom. All right. Well, mom, there's going to be maybe a hurricane here in France, so can you just make sure you're checking the apps?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I didn't know that there would be a hurricane. If you had told me that there'd be a hurricane, I would have checked it. I would have 100% checked it. But I don't know these things unless you communicate with me.

[Amy Phillips]

Stella.

[Ronnie Karam]

Earl, the Pearl's like, shannon, just want to text you, let you know that we had a very sunny day yesterday and I got a bit sunburned and I would have appreciated you to send me a note to say you were thinking of me.

[Amy Phillips]

I said, use spf. What more do you want me to do?

[Emily Simpson]

When you said a cloud had passed over the sun, I thought you were safe. You did not tell me that the cloud would keep on moving.

[Amy Phillips]

You said you were in lake water. Lake water isn't as sun absorbent as the ocean, and I only know ocean.

[Emily Simpson]

I am sorry that I don't know how SPF works in different terrains. I am sorry and I will work on that. But I can't be expected to know these things unless you communicate with me. Earl, that's what I'm trying to say to you. And I'm just not even sure I could continue with this text message, by the way.

[Amy Phillips]

It's not enough.

[Emily Simpson]

By the way, Earl, did they open up the dynamic lanes in Georgia yet? Because we have them here and they are wonderful.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, boy.

[Ronnie Karam]

So speaking of dynamic, let's go see what the dubrows are up to. So they're over at their Beverly Hills house, which is just, like, stripped down and just like, there's nothing left of it. And Heather's talking about how Max is in. I always said asbestos is in Paris. Paris. And they're walking around, and Terry's like, wow, this place looks like. How much asbestos did he find? Well, no one ever told me because unfortunately, people are apparently, quote unquote, scared to tell me about asbestos. And I don't understand why that would be. He's like, well, my stepfather died from asbestos of the lung, by the way. Heather's like, well, I feel like I failed. You didn't fail. You did hear that I just mentioned that my stepfather died of asbestos. Right? No, I'm really just focusing on me.

[Amy Phillips]

I'm talking about me communicating with the construction people.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is far more serious than whatever happened to your stepfather. When we bought the Beverly Hills house, I had a really good plan. We were going to buy this house, renovate it. Spend the mornings waving to Drake next door, Rest of the morning throwing pebbles down at Wendy Malik down at the bottom of the hill. But now look at us. Drake has to look at this. This is what he thinks of me. He thinks, look. Look at that woman who was on that CBS pilot in 1999. Look at the state of her house. This is no way to live.

[Amy Phillips]

What an embarrassment to my entire reputation. So I will stand here out in the very open. Get a look at me for the last time, Drake.

[Ronnie Karam]

Take a good look, Drake. Because television's Heather Jabra won't be standing here much longer.

[Amy Phillips]

Poof. She smells. She blows like smoke, and she disappears. Like a magician.

[Ronnie Karam]

She shows up in Dorit's house. This is mine now. I've consulted Bravo. They said that I can take this over now. Goodbye.

[Amy Phillips]

So apparently, great timing. It's not paid for anyway.

[Emily Simpson]

You know, they were telling me that there was an issue with the door and closing. And then it turns out they were saying foreclosing I was a huge mistake. You can have it now.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Heather is saying that basically they bought this house. They had this plan to renovate it. They tore it. They, like, stripped it down. And then the contractor was like, by the way, it's gonna cost 8 more, $8 million more to renovate this than we originally said. So she had him killed. If you ever give me an estimate like that again, it will cost you a lot. So now the house is just in this sad state, and they are just trying to figure out what to do. And Terry's like, well, I mean, let's just sell It. Let's just move on. Am I right?

[Amy Phillips]

That's such a good. Terry. Really. It's really good. It's really good. He does kind of blend. He kind of talks like a. Like a jazz singer or something. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we can just move on. Let's find another rapper to live next to. I don't know this house up to. You know, I love his music. What a relevant rapper artist. So she's like, well, first of all, we have to finish the floors, because to me, it looks like a war zone. It's like someone broke out in war on my floor and we have to fix it. And he's like, well, I mean, what, they're just going to tear it all up again? Oh, it's so little money, Terry. I mean, what is it, $350,000? Come on.

[Amy Phillips]

Well, if I can change. I love this Terry Dubrovn.

[Ronnie Karam]

45,000. I mean, it's $45,000. I mean, that's a party you throw at Nobu, isn't it, Wendy? Malik wishes. Oh, we're laughing, Terry. Terry. Laugh, Laugh, Terry.

[Emily Simpson]

Ha ha ha.

[Amy Phillips]

Let it echo through the canyon, Terry. Let Drake see how happy we are.

[Ronnie Karam]

This could be inspiration for Jake's next new jam. So I will be a guest. I will be a guest vocalist. Okay. Does Drake know that I once sang a song produced and written by Richard Marx? I think I would be a valuable person on this track, by the way. I love that song.

[Amy Phillips]

I love that video. Do yourself a favor, because this happened. All right? Have a nice gummy. Have a THC gummy. Whatever you can handle. Okay? Then go back and watch that gaggle of Orange county ladies sing that song, and you're gonna trip out. It's so good.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's. I sing that song so much, I'm glad that it was. Well, sometimes I'm a good girl, Sometimes I'm bad. I do what I want. Cause it's all I have.

[Amy Phillips]

You know it from the beginning. I wasn't expecting that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And then we get the bridge. Heather Dubrow does the. Because they're all singing terribly. It's like Emily being like, sometimes I'm a good girl, Sometimes I'm bad. And then Noelle is like. Like Dr. Jen is on it. But then Heather de Bro comes on. She goes, you are all on each. Does the whole bridge and goes, oh, yeah. Then it goes the big chorus, which is, I do whatever I want Whenever.

[Emily Simpson]

I want with no expectations. I go wherever I want Wherever Whoever.

[Ronnie Karam]

I want to and wherever I'll be I'm messing up the lyrics. But that's, like, basically, that's the gist. That's the spirit of it. And I'm. I'm telling you right now, like, it's so. It is such a beautiful and pure song, and it should have been released as a true single, you know?

[Amy Phillips]

I agree. And thank you, Richard Marks.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Richard Marks, for that. For this beautiful, beautiful song. I actually have it in my. I have it in my. In my itunes library. Although for some reason, it's just, like, not showing up right now, and I'm, like, really sad.

[Amy Phillips]

It's a ghost.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a ghost. I think it's labeled the OC Reels.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, yeah. Right. Nice. This is a great throwback. I love that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. It's called, like, whatever I want or whatever, but.

[Amy Phillips]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's some of Richard Mark's great, greatest work, and I'm sorry I can't pull it up for you. It's just, for some reason, hiding away. I was gonna try to play it and make it a beautiful moment.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, that's all right. That's okay. I think you did a great job. I think you did a great job.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you. Well, now I'm concerned. I'm like, where's my music file?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're like, I want to listen to it. Like, wait a second. So now we go to Emily at home, and she's offering. She's asking her son if he want. Like, if he wants to eat something. And he's like, no. And we. I. This scene. We sort of just think it's a scene with, like, kids, right?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's saying that he, like, he ate some pirate's booty at lunch or whatever, and, you know, just nothing. Whatever. And you're like, okay. And Emily's saying how her. Her. The sons are 10, and they're sort of small for their age and everything. Like, okay. And then this is when she tells everyone that Luke has been diagnosed with arfid, which stands for avoidance restrictive food intake disorder. Where it's like. It's where people don't, like, want to eat. Like, they don't like the idea of eating. And it's like, it's difficult. Not difficult, but, like, it's a whole. It's a whole thing. And it's, like, very scary and very fascinating. And I got. My heart really went out to her when she was describing this whole process.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's saying, like, they're just, like. They have him in therapy and they're trying to get him to try different things and she can talk about how they that try to get like he's recently learned about checks mix and you know, baby steps. But like, wow, so scary.

[Amy Phillips]

It is I, I think, you know, with Shane saying, well, we've identified it and we're getting the help. I mean that's the most important thing obviously is that they now know what it is. I mean you, you see these warning signs or you see things like and how Gina was reflecting on her situation with her daughter and the sensory issues and, and I love how she shared like she felt guilt, but it's just so difficult to notice what the signs to look for. Sometimes they just pass right by you. And one of the things that I've learned as a parent, I have an 8 year old daughter and you know, all kids have issues, you know, by the way, and so do adults. Like, everybody has their thing. And that's one thing that I've realized about, you know, having a child. Like, you know, we have our issues and everybody we know has their issues. But one of the things I've learned is like just to be a good observer and to really take note of things and don't be afraid to be like, huh, I'm a clock this and I'm going to maybe jot this down. And by the way, I have heard of arfid. There is this. Do you mind if I give a podcast?

[Ronnie Karam]

Absolutely. Okay, 100%.

[Amy Phillips]

So there's this podcast, it's called Parenting Survival at Parenting Survival. And it's all about like, it's this. She's a, I think she's a therapist. I'm not sure what her credentials are, but she has several kids and she's also like a child counselor. But she knows so much about like child ocd, child anxiety, kids with arfid, all of those things that kind of meld together, that can kind of cross over. And that's when I even heard about it because I just really like listening to her podcast and learning all about this different stuff. And I was like, wow, this is such a thing. I never knew, but it is real. And when, when Emily's talking about it, it's nice to hear someone label it because it's not something like you said that people really know about. And it can pass you by. You might not know what it is and how to help it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. I think actually she did a great service because there probably are parents who are like, well, my child's just a picky Eater or whatever. And I have to imagine. I don't have kids, but, like, I have to imagine that, like, if you suspect something is amiss, there's. There might be an instinct to be, like, I don't want to, like, you sort of maybe go into denial because it's actually scary. And like, the. The counter. The counterintuitive thing with really, with anything. And it happens to us as. As adults with our bodies sometimes that we think, like, well, I don't. I want to ignore it because I. You get this irrational feeling like, if you ignore it, it's not really there. And the really, the truth is you actually want to lean into it and start, like, whatever treatment you can as soon as possible, or, like, awareness. And so it's really good if it's helping. If. If this storyline does help other parents realize there may be, you know, like, maybe there. There's something going on in their household that. That they were maybe turning a blind eye to. So I think it could be really helpful. It's also just fascinating to me.

[Amy Phillips]

It is.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just. It's, like, intriguing. Like, I'm intrigued to see what. What this journey is going to be and what the. The treatment's gonna be like. I'm actually, like, very fascinated by this. This whole thing.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, absolutely. You know, and. And it's just all about, like, making that first appointment, you know, that just can set the course, and that's always the hardest thing to do. It's like, well, where do I start? You know? Yeah, just go to your primary. Then they can give you to another specialist. Then they can give you. And then just the research, you know, you got to do your research. And there's just so many outlets now. Like, you can join a Facebook group that's like, ARFID support. You know what I mean? Like, there's just so much stuff out there now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think that's the other thing is, like, when you're scared about something going on in your body or maybe your child's body or a loved one's body, it's like the great unknown. But, like, once you actually get yourself onto a path of treatment or like, being proactive about it, it suddenly becomes much less. I won't say it becomes less scary, but it becomes. It becomes like, okay.

[Amy Phillips]

Like, not the only one.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can take. I can take this on. We're gonna. We're gonna figure something out here as opposed to this, like, thing that you can't even, like, look at or talk about.

[Amy Phillips]

Right, right, right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So good on Emily. Good on Emily.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. I mean, when we grew up, our parents would be like, have a Cheeto and go to bed. You know, like, they're not gonna look at it, but, you know, it's a different time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I mean, it is. Exactly. So Emily and Shane are dealing with that, and then as long as we're talking about mental health issues and what's going on in the body and whatnot, we then move to elsewhere in Orange county for Tamara Judge to have her therapy session. So she comes in, it's like. She's like, Arnie crying. Listen, I want to say first and foremost, cheers.

[Amy Phillips]

Cheers.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. I 100%. I love therapy. I had therapy two days ago. I totally endorse therapy. I want everyone to get therapy. I want Tamara to get therapy. I want everyone to get therapy because I'm. I. Which, by the way, very similar situation. I was sort of scared to start therapy because it was like, so you sort of like, I don't need therapy. Whatever. And then you finally just do it and you're like, oh, this is great.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, it's nothing. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Amy Phillips]

I mean, it is something, though. It kind of is a big deal, but, you know, it's good. It's great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Once again, it's definitely not the same. It's not the same as. As, like, for instance, what Emily is dealing with. But the point is that, like, we can sometimes dig our heels in for.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Treating things.

[Amy Phillips]

Exactly.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I am happy that Tamara. I really am happy that Tamara is in therapy. But that being said, like, she is so funny. Like, Tamara going to therapy, like, this therapy session, like. Like, I wanted to. The therapist seemed, by all accounts, like a totally legit good therapist, and this could have been all authentic, but there's just something about Tamra just showing up already crying, like, and just full Tamra soapy melodrama that just. I was cracking up. I was like, I love this show.

[Amy Phillips]

I also love that the therapist immediately, immediately needed to correct the fact that she hasn't been assessed for being on the spectrum. She knew what happened, you know, already, obviously, so she was like, yeah, I understand. So we do need to get you assessed, because we haven't done that yet. And, you know, we can cross that bridge when we come to it, because an assessment will be needed. You know, Tara's like, I just may have, like, got you excited on my podcast. And, like, just. I was just excited to be on the spectrum, so I just wanted to say it. Just wanted. Shout out from the rooftops. People are pest.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm I just want to say I've been crying since last week's therapy session because I looked at my bill, and my bill from Spectrum is so high. Please, you just. You just have to stop saying that word. Tamara, I think they're first.

[Amy Phillips]

I get it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just stop saying the word, okay? Just stop saying it.

[Amy Phillips]

It's. It's a trigger. It's. You know, maybe just let's use different language, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. Okay. All right. Well, I was helping my. My son with his physics homework, and he was learning about, you know, color, and a lot of colors on the spectrum there.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, Tamara, pull it back.

[Amy Phillips]

Pull it back.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, sorry, Sorry. Bach. Sorry, Bach.

[Amy Phillips]

Can you watch your language across the board? You can refer to me as Dr. Jones.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, Bach.

[Emily Simpson]

I just think that maybe I actually am on the spectrum after all, because that's my opinion.

[Amy Phillips]

I love the flashback of all of, like, her freakouts.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. And so now she is. Now her whole thing is dealing with unprocessed trauma, which, by the way, I don't know if she's talking about her or we as an audience who have been watching her for so many years, having to take on so much of. Of what she's done, but she's gonna work on it.

[Emily Simpson]

So she's like, my sensory issues are heightened. My intrusive thoughts are out of control right now. It's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right, right, right. Well, yeah, that with the unprocessed trauma, you know, that whether or not that was on the spectrum or not, which I think we can agree was not. I didn't actually say that. You said that.

[Amy Phillips]

If you could sign here that you said that, not me, that would be great. On camera. There we go.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So remember how we talked about how people with trauma don't respond in ways that people are going to expect them to respond? So, for instance, if, I don't know, you're a therapist and you talk to someone and you say, you know, there are some people on the spectrum who have. You know, who process emotions differently. And then the person with the trauma then goes and announces that they have. They have. They're on the spectrum. That would be a. That would be a response that you would not expect. Right? That would be.

[Amy Phillips]

That would be disgusting. Thank God. I didn't do that.

[Ronnie Karam]

You did. You did do that.

[Amy Phillips]

I did. I did do that. I dead to that. I dead. I did that. I did that. I did that.

[Ronnie Karam]

So you have a daughter who has requested multiple times that you don't bring her up on camera. Is there anything you'd like to say.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, with Sidney, it's just like everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

With Sidney on camera again, here it goes again. Although honestly, I'm at this point where I'm like, you know what? I'm sort of on Tamara's side at this point. This girl's got like, Sydney, you just have to deal with it. Your name.

[Amy Phillips]

I know. At this point, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Just like the mom do her job.

[Amy Phillips]

I guess her daughter's probably like, this is the least amount that she'll talk about me if I say don't talk about me. But if I'm in her life, she'll probably won't stop talking about me.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I think it goes the other way around because the daughter doesn't realize she's just giving Tamron, like an endless storyline.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, right, right.

[Ronnie Karam]

You just have to. What Sydney has to do is she's gonna have to suck up one annoying season where it's like we're mending things.

[Emily Simpson]

She's gonna come on camera, I'm bringing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Her to a coffee shop, and then we'll never see her again. Because where the fuck are the rest of Tamara's kids, right?

[Amy Phillips]

Her daughter's gonna be like, you'll never see my face again, and run out. Remember when Tamara did that? That was amazing. That was my favorite.

[Emily Simpson]

I'm so proud.

[Amy Phillips]

I love that moment. I'm always like, in my head, I'm always. When I leave, like a party or something, I'm like, you'll never see my face again. I just love that. It's so good.

[Ronnie Karam]

So good. That's what Gina says when she goes to the stylist.

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