#2925 McBee Dynasty S02E03 Part 1: One Flew Over The Chicken’s Coop with Eric Williams

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary

Podcast Information:

• Title: Watch What Crappens
• Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
• Episode: #2925 – McBee Dynasty S02E03 Part 1: One Flew Over The Chicken’s Coop with Eric Williams
• Release Date: July 16, 2025

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Introduction and Guest Welcome

In Episode #2925 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive into the intricate drama of Bravo's McBee Dynasty. Joining them is Eric Williams, the charismatic host of the That's a Gay Ass podcast, who steps in as Ronnie takes a much-needed vacation. The episode kicks off with a warm welcome from Ronnie:

Ronnie Karam [04:24]: "Welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and Ronnie is still out on his vacay... Joining me is Eric Williams. Welcome to the show, Eric. How are you doing, Ben?"

Eric, clearly excited, shares his admiration for the podcast and his personal journey:

Eric Williams [04:26]: "I'm doing not only so gorgeous but this is a dream come true... I fell in love with you, Ben and Ronnie, and then ass podcast you so beautifully said yes about coming on."

Recap of McBee Dynasty Season 2, Episode 3

The heart of the episode revolves around a detailed and humorous recap of Season 2, Episode 3, titled One Flew Over The Chicken’s Coop. Ben and Ronnie, along with Eric, dissect the episode's plot points, providing their candid opinions and plenty of laughs along the way.

The Great Chicken Massacre

The episode's central event, the so-called "Great Chicken Massacre," becomes a focal point of discussion. The hosts express their surprise at the underwhelming portrayal of such a dramatic event:

Ronnie Karam [21:39]: "Should have been called The Great Chicken Massacre because it wasn’t as massacre as I thought."

Eric chimes in with skepticism about the event's impact:

Eric Williams [21:52]: "Only three chickens died, and I feel like you have to kill more chickens to create more emotion."

They humorously debate the emotional weight of animal deaths in reality TV, highlighting the show's attempts to amp up drama:

Ronnie Karam [22:00]: "But, I think if you kill one dog, it's like awful... but chickens, you have to kill many more to get the same level of dismay."

Character Dynamics and Personalities

The hosts delve into the complex relationships and character flaws within the McBee family. Stephen Jr.'s portrayal emerges as a point of contention:

Ronnie Karam [13:23]: "When I see Stephen Jr. fighting, it's like him being like, 'we gotta hurry up. You don't even know, man. You really hurt me, man.'"

Eric criticizes Stephen Jr.'s emotional maturity and leadership skills:

Eric Williams [42:24]: "I don't see what the problem is... but they always say he never comes to the farm... he never comes to help with the fire. Well, duh, he sucks."

Galena's unpredictability and manipulative tendencies are also scrutinized:

Ronnie Karam [32:28]: "She's spiraling because her best friend Masha has taken over her role as lover to Stephen McBee Senior... Galena's not having it. She’s now gone AWOL."

Comparisons and Cultural References

Ben and Ronnie draw parallels between McBee Dynasty and other reality shows, infusing their analysis with pop culture references and personal anecdotes. Ronnie shares a nostalgic story from his summer camp improv experience to illustrate her take on Stephen Jr.'s acting skills:

Ronnie Karam [15:37]: "It's like him being like, 'we gotta hurry up. You don't even know, man. You really hurt me, man.' It's like him being in improv theater."

Eric humorously references Succession and The Crown to emphasize the family's dysfunction:

Eric Williams [60:08]: "This is a Succession situation going on here."

Hosts' Insights and Personal Reflections

Throughout the episode, Ben, Ronnie, and Eric interweave their personal experiences and humor into the discussion. Ronnie reflects on her own lack of interest in certain plotlines, while Eric connects the show's drama to his past acting mishaps:

Ronnie Karam [11:12]: "I don't think I'm going to watch this again because it really felt like it did not feel like a Bravo show at all."

Eric Williams [16:11]: "I was like, 'We’re looking for you, Harrigan,' and then I froze and slurred over onto the piano, screaming 'Do something.'"

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Eric Williams [32:21]: "She called us hillbilly, so we're now not gonna text her when her sister died. That is so shitty."
• Ronnie Karam [37:34]: "Ted Lasso's favorite barbecue sauce is from year two."
• Ben Mandelker [43:14]: "I'll say all £4,000 that they're trying to get every single week."

Conclusion and Tease for Part Two

As the episode wraps up Part 1 of the two-part recap, the hosts hint at further discussions and deeper dives into the McBee Dynasty drama:

Ben Mandelker [71:51]: "Congratulations. You've reached the end of part one of a two-part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers."

They close with a playful nod to their premium sponsors, setting the stage for the continuation of their critique and entertainment analysis in the next episode.

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Note: This summary captures the essence of Episode #2925, highlighting the hosts' engaging discussion, critical analysis, and comedic interactions as they navigate the convoluted world of McBee Dynasty. For a complete experience, listeners are encouraged to tune into both parts of the recap.

Transcript

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[Eric Williams]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Watch what crappy hello and welcome to Watch what Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and Ronnie is still out on his vacay. A much deserved, much needed vacay. And joining me in his place is someone who I am incredibly fond of. He is so funny and he is on the up and up. You may not he may even be there. He may be there. His name is Eric Williams and you can find him as the host of that's a Gay Ass podcast among many other things. Welcome to the show Eric. How are you doing, Ben?

[Eric Williams]

I'm doing not only so gorgin but this is a dream come true. I have can we tell the listeners said I was a fan of yours first.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is a safe space. You can say whatever you want.

[Eric Williams]

Well, I'm gonna say a lot and the first thing I'm gonna say is that my dear gay ass husband Matt brought me to a watch with Crappin's live show in the year of our Lord 2017. I fell in love with you Ben and Ronnie and then ass podcast you so beautifully said yes about coming on. And now I'm actually recording a show about a brother family of four bros in Missouri, my home state.

[Ronnie Karam]

Pinch me Ben, pinch me this I. I will. I will pinch you. I am, I am so hashtag blessed by your kind words. And I have to say that now as you say that like, you start off as a fan of the podcast and now you're here on the podcast. That makes you kind of like the Janet of watch what crack is. Right.

[Eric Williams]

It either makes me the Janet or a make a wish foundation where I'm just such a sad gay twink that's just looking to get screen time. But I guess Janet, you could say she's a bit of a sad twink looking for airtime.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly. But you're much better than Janet. I will say everyone should go listen to Eric's podcast, which is. Is it a weekly podcast?

[Eric Williams]

It is, yeah. Every single week.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who is this? Who is this person? You have a gorgeous guest on this. This episode. There's. There's a man. This man on this guy right here is your latest guest.

[Eric Williams]

So here's the deal. Here's the deal is I interview like either gay guys where I ask them, whose fault is it that you're gay? Or I ask women who the gays beloved, including one Ms. Lisa Rinna has done the podcast. Yes, Shallow did the pod. But that gorgeous man you just showed me is on the sub stack bonus episode. Right. Really spicy. And those are every Monday for the spicy ones. And every Wednesday is the main pot apps.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hot guys on the spicy ones. Lisa Rinna and Laura Benanti. Etc.

[Eric Williams]

Well, listen, when Rinna did the pod, she actually like made a headline because she said that the Beverly Hills Current season that she was not on was sinking like the Titanic. And then Andy Cohen confronted her on is serious show and she was like, Andy trying to like, say that we took her words out of context. And then she on her own podcast told Harry Hamlin that we misconstrued her words. Which, listen, I was mad for about three seconds and I was like, the honor of being in Ms. Lisa Rinna's web of lies, you know, again, maybe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Someday you'll get blocked the way we are by her.

[Eric Williams]

You know, I can only hope. And I can only hope you blocked by Lisa.

[Ronnie Karam]

Although I don't think it was a mean blog. I think she wanted. When she left Beverly Hills, she just sort of like blocked everything.

[Eric Williams]

It wasn't one of the clean break.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, no, no. We are like, there's no issue.

[Eric Williams]

No will ever go back to Bravo.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think she would 100%. She's. She is a working actress and she understands the value of a paycheck. And if they say, hey Rena, we're going to pay you. Look, a job is a job for her. She will do the depends commercial. She'll go back To Bravo. I mean, she's talking about Real Housewives a lot, so it obviously matters to her. So I don't think she cares at all. She will follow the money. She has that instinct in her. I think that's a good instinct to have.

[Eric Williams]

Oh, especially when you're a Hollywood actress like she is. I just think that the fans, when we posted clips from her, people, like, hate Lisa Rinna. Like, the comments are the two people that the watchers really hate. Lisa Rinna. And then. Have you been reading the comments on Tamra? Actually, we can do a tie into McBee dynasty because Tamara was on watch what happens with. With Stephen Jr. And all the comments were dragging her facelift.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I mean, Tamara definitely. I think that obviously people hate Tamra. She's like a. Like one of the classic villains of Bravo. And. But I think that Tam is, like, a little bit more comfortable in the villain role. I think she's actually, like, fine with it and she enjoys it. I think that Rinna says that she's comfortable with it. I don't think she is. I think that she is, like, crying into her. See, you know, it's. Honestly, when I see her trying to be cool with it, in my mind, I always think, ooh, you're so angry, Rinna. That's what I'm thinking. I turn it on her. She doesn't seem. I think she. I don't think that she's comfortable. I think she. She's pretending like she's owning it. But.

[Eric Williams]

Speaking of. You're so angry. Rest in power to Denise Richards marriage.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know, I know. Rest in power to that seemingly forever marriage that is no longer forever.

[Eric Williams]

Well, maybe the folded who was chasing them in the cars? Was it Mafia?

[Ronnie Karam]

Big pharma?

[Eric Williams]

So maybe the big pharma got to their marriage.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they'll. They'll get to you. No matter what. You got to be careful. But by the way, I just want to say before we dive into today's episode, which is all about McBee dynasty, you have a live show this week in New York. Friday. It's actually Thursday.

[Eric Williams]

Thursday, yeah. So I'm doing this new solo show that is very gay, very Jewy for any of our Jewesses out there. It's called why all the Drama? Where I tell my tale of going from a nice Jewish boy from Missouri to a gay Jewish slut in Los Angeles. And I'm very excited to do it in New York. And then the plan is to tour it to a few cities in the fall. So keep a look, see out for Those dates.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love your ambition. I love what's going on here with you. And you wrote it yourself.

[Eric Williams]

And I did. Yeah. Honestly, I'm not just buttering your biscuit. I, like, ever since starting to listen to you, your pod and Danny Pellegrino, I've been so inspired by people just making shit happen for themselves. And so I finally did enough therapy to say, enough is enough, and just put your out there. Yeah, just do it at 100.

[Ronnie Karam]

Put your shit out there. I went to one of your live shows, which is a different type of live show. And you are so great and so talented up there. You're really very, very. You're a very natural performer. So I highly recommend if you. If. If you're going to be in New York on Thursday, where is the show going to be?

[Eric Williams]

That red eye. It's right in the middle of midtown, close to all of the action. 7pm on Thursday. And then after, we can flirt, grab a beverage. And if you want to talk about McBee dynasty, I am happy to, but I don't know if you're gonna want to do that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm gonna say, please talk to Eric about McBee dynasty, because I feel so bad that I made you watch this show. And then when you text me over the weekend, you're like, okay. I'm like, midway through season one, I was like, oh, no, please don't watch season one to cover this show. I didn't even do that. I was like, I am not gonna watch. I did aspire to, but did you?

[Eric Williams]

Oh, yeah. Well, I saw that you. Because Ronnie watched the whole thing and loved it, and you kind of.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was going to.

[Eric Williams]

And you were going to. I. Listen, I wanted. I have, like, trauma from being a grade A student where I was like, well, I better, you know, find out the full herstory of these awful men. But I hate once you not to watch the first season. I said, bloop, turned off Peacock, and then went straight to this current season, which, hey, at least I only had to watch three episodes.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's way too many to watch. I. So I was originally like, okay, I'll watch it. Because Ronnie was really good. He, like, he watched that full first season. But then I thought, or I can give myself an out and say, hey, I'm a Bravo viewer, so I'm going to watch McBee Dynasty. Like, I am a Bravo viewer. Not because I don't feel like I have to research it. They're dropping this show on us, so I have to react like a Bravo viewer, not like a NBCU completionist. And so therefore, I saved myself a lot of time and effort and just, like, dove in for season two. And so now we are on episode three of this show. What do you think about McBee Dynasty, by the way? And this is a safe space. You can be positive or negative however you feel.

[Eric Williams]

You know what? I'm gonna. Here's my honest take is that I have was prepared to hate it, and I like it more than I thought only because we have a lawsuit involved and two Russian women competing for one terrible man. The personal interpersonal drama dramatiques. I think there's a lot of promise there. What I would rather gouge my eyes up and watch is the business BTS of the McBee meat business. I do not care if they can get £4,000 of brisket to this barbecue restaurant. I do not care if their car washes stay open. I care who's getting dicked down by whom and when. That's what I think actually speaks to me.

[Ronnie Karam]

And were chickens killed in the process? I think that I am. I was oddly invested in that stupid, like, a brisket. Get brisket to the restaurant storyline. I don't know.

[Eric Williams]

Well, I just wanted to eat good barbecue, and I hope the patrons of that restaurant were getting their brisket. But like you said before, we hit record how Stephen Jr. Is a terrible actor. And that's what's really been getting to me. That's. Yeah, you can tell the scenes that are like, he's reading off of the script that the producers told him.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that's where I spoke high school improv. It's like when he comes.

[Eric Williams]

Community theater. It's.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's. It's so bad. I remember one time in summer camp there was. I went to. I went to a summer camp for the arts. And which one? It was called Long Lake. Long Lake Camp for the Arts. Shout out, shout out. Long Lake Camp. Long Lake in the Adirondacks. And I. I remember that, like, you know, all day long you had different, like, periods, right? And, like, you could take, you know, know, you could do woodworking or this or that. There's all these things you could do. And one of them. One thing you could do is improv. And I did. That was my. My only improv experience in life is taking improv. I kept long legs, Long leg, Long leg camp. And when I was in eighth grade, and I remember then every Friday there would be a performance. And so it'd be like a showcase of what all the performing arts sort of people were doing. And so there'd be like, you do like an improv thing. And I remember one week I wasn't. At this point I wasn't even. I don't know why I wasn't part of this. But they decided, hey guys, let's do like serious improv where we're gonna improv but not to try to be funny, but we want to act out a serious scene, but all improv. And I just remember, what setup did.

[Eric Williams]

They give you for children?

[Ronnie Karam]

I just remember it was, it was these two guys and they were just talking and they were improving their way through a scene. I just remember them being like, you don't understand, man. Really hurt what you did. It really hurt. And they were like talking nonsense but with all these sort of like. Like it was like the equivalent of if you told chat GPT to write a very serious scene between two characters. And like that always stood with me. That's that ridiculous scene up there on stage.

[Eric Williams]

You really hurt me, man.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, you hurt me, man. You didn't even know, you know, like the escalating voices. And so when I see Steven Jr fighting, that's what it sounds like to me. It's like him being like, we gotta hurry up. You don't even know, man. You really hurt me, man. It's like, oh man, this guy, it's.

[Eric Williams]

No, it's, it's so. I understand that he is so hot that they think that he can carry a show. I understand that he wears cut out tank tops where we can see his nipples. And listen, I'm here for that. But my theater camp story unfortunately is not as devastating as yours. But it was my first role at Camp Sabra, Jewish summer camp at the lake of the Ozarks in Missouri. Shout out. They made up a role in you're a good man, Charlie Brown. I was not Woodstock the yellow bird. No, no. I was Woodstock's friend. Is he in the script? No, he is not.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I've had many original roles that one line added in so that way I could be a participant.

[Eric Williams]

Originated by Ben Mandlicker.

[Ronnie Karam]

Uh huh. I have some roles that I have originated in. Like give my regards to Broadway's this grade. I killed it. I've told the story. I played like a newsie and I had one line and I forgot it. I forgot it on stage.

[Eric Williams]

But look at you now, Ben. Look at you now.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've. I've told the story. I will tell it again. There was like a scene where there's a character named Harrigan who like walks in and like we're all kind of newsies. And we're all supposed to be like, hey, how are you? What are you doing there? Are you. I'm like, what's like, well, you want to play some craps, Harrigan? Something like that. We're all sort of like speaking in that way. And my line was, we were looking for you, Harrigan. So when it comes to. With all the pattern, I'm like, hey, we were looking for you, Kerrigan. That's all I had to say is, we were looking for you, Harrigan. And it was a two night engagement. Thursday. Friday. Thursday night. Nailed it. I was like, we were looking for you, Harrigan. I mean, it was, it was a star making role. Yeah. Next night I was like, ugh, it was so easy. I don't even have to be nervous anymore. So you get up there on stage and I just zone out. I'm not paying attention. And then you sort of. You feel that silence and like, oh, it's my time to speak. And in my mind I wanted to say, where were you, Harrigan? But I knew that wasn't the line. Because the line was, we were looking for you. So I wanted to say, where were you? But then I was like, that's not the line. And then I froze and I was like, now I can't even remember what the line was. And I stood there and I froze. And there was a piano on stage right next to me. And I lurched over onto the piano. I slammed my hands down on the piano and I literally go, harrigan, do something. I literally said that.

[Eric Williams]

Okay, telenovela queen. The only wrong choice is a small choice. Listen, when in doubt, bang the closest set piece and scream the first race that comes to mind. Wait, what age were you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I was. I. I think I was 12. 11 or 12. And I remember, I remember I was like, so embarrassed. And the director was like, oh, it was fine, Ben, don't worry. But then, like afterwards, we all watch like the VHS copy of it because someone like filmed it. And you really see me up there on stage lurching over onto piano, screaming, do something. I made it like, it just. And you just have all this like, fast patter, like, hey, Harry, we're looking for you. Let's do something.

[Eric Williams]

Devastating silence.

[Ronnie Karam]

Some young gay boy making a splash. So anyway, the point is that we all make choices in life, and one of those choices is watching the McBee dynasty. I don't think it's a very good show. I think it's like you. It's a little bit better. I thought the first Episode of the season was better than I was expecting. The second episode, I thought, was so bad. I was like, I don't know if I can ever watch this again, because it really felt like a. It really did not feel like a Bravo show at all. All the music cues were off. It was just like. Everything was very fast. It was all, like, narrated. It just was like. It just felt like some shitty A and E show or something. Like, I was like, please get this off of this is not Bravo brand. But then actually, last night's show was a little bit better. I thought it, like, sort came back to life a little bit. Like, we're starting to see the natural.

[Eric Williams]

The people who are naturals at, like, you can tell when the drama is not made up. So, like, when, like, I actually curious about your opinion. Kala. Kala. Kala. Good tv, bad tv. How do you feel?

[Ronnie Karam]

I spent a little bit more time thinking about Kala than I'd like to admit today, and I don't know if she's good tv. There's part of me that's like, you know what? Kala kind of sucks. I don't know. Like, it seems like she's getting the raw end. Like, because again, I don't have the context of last season, but it seems like she's getting dicked around by this guy. But she's also kind of, like, whiny and annoying, and I'm like, you know what? I'm not gonna cosine calla. Given that I'm probably not gonna cosign many people. What do you think? I don't know.

[Eric Williams]

It's just the sister dying sort of, like, gave me some empathy towards her, and I just. I think that when we look at Kala on her own, we think she's a. Nay. We think she's a chop. But when we compare her to the other girlfriends who have. That's true. Glass eye, doughy eye, deer in headlights. Like, no personality. I'm like, at least Kala is, like, kind of a Give me something to hold on to. Like, Casey and Cole kill me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Literally. Literally. Yeah, I agree. I mean, it's not. You're not really. This is not the Hamilton sisters we've got going on here.

[Eric Williams]

They're all giving Aunt Peggy. They're all Aunt Peggy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. They're not great. Well, let's dive into it. Let's dive into this recap as best as we can. It's season two, episode three. This episode is actually called the Great Chicken Massacre, which I guess that's appropriate. Wasn't as massacre as I thought. It Was. Should have been given that name. Like, it was. I would have. Like, if you're gonna name an episode the Great Chicken Massacre, I want to see, like, I want to see lots of dead chickens. Guts. And I want to see people, like, entering a chicken coop, falling to their knees, blood on their hands, screaming to the ceiling.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah. Instead of, like, a really anticlimactic FaceTime. Is the baby there? How many babies? Nine. Oh, they're supposed to be 12. Okay, where's. Where is the massacre?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Only three chickens died, and I feel like. I feel like you have to kill more chickens to create more emotion. I'm sorry. Sorry to the animal lovers out there.

[Eric Williams]

Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

But given that chickens are, like, killed on the regular for, you know, consumption, losing 3 just did not, like, hit me with the same.

[Eric Williams]

Like, if you kill chickens, a massacre does not make.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I think, like, if you kill one dog, it's like. Like, awful. And I'm saying that as someone who's not even a dog person, like, that's terrible. But it takes probably about. I'm gonna say it takes about 120 chickens to reach the empathy levels of one day.

[Eric Williams]

No, I think that's the emotional burden of the. A chicken death affecting our psyche is 120. You know, one dog. How many cats?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, for me, it's like. Like half a cat.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah. A scratch on the cat.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm like, how dare they?

[Eric Williams]

I'm a dog person. But I do love a kitty cat as well. But also.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, but I think. And honestly, one dog, one cat, like, equal levels of dismay. But I think for chickens, you have to kill. You just have to kill many more chickens to get the same level of dismay. And I feel terrible saying that. And I know that there are animal lovers, and I will probably get some messages being like, how could you say that Chickens are animals and they're beautiful birds. They're actually. People are gonna say they're actually a lot smarter than you think. They're gonna do all that stuff. I love them.

[Eric Williams]

But when we're. But when the show takes place at a literal farm where they are. Are serving up the meat of these animals, I think we're allowed to say that we can talk about chicken death with a little less sensitivity to any of the angry listeners.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Like, I'm so sorry that there were three chickens that died at the. That that belonged to a man who kills cows every single day.

[Eric Williams]

Right. And maybe Galena maybe was a part of three chickens dying. But. But do we have a single shred of evidence or the car that she maybe. Or the frying pan that she maybe. I'm like, these producers are banging shit, stealing chickens. They are doing all that they can to create a single plotline for this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

They are doing a lot of great prop work. So we open with Kala lying in bed and her friend Madison calls because Callum moved down to Dallas. Because she's like, I've had it, Steven. I've had it. Because I think she found out that. She found out that Steven told everyone in the family that Calla hates them. And then she sort of like, he kind of like, really embarrassed her and. And like, really soured relationships. So I think that's why she left and went back down to Dallas. If I remember correctly, I, shockingly have already forgotten because it was not riveting enough for me to stay in my brain for.

[Eric Williams]

But Steve, that's the only part of the. The Steven Kala thing that gets to me, which is that Steven told all of his siblings and their girlfriends to not reach out to her when her sister died. I'm like, that's so shitty up. That is so, like, that's a man like, like root, like kicking a girl when she's down. And these. And these men. Terrible.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is. I mean, look, if. If someone gets mad at us about our lack of empathy about chicken murder, but then they don't come down on this man right now. Like, you better know your priorities because this person that is really up. That is up. And also what's up is that this entire family obeyed that. They didn't say, no, I'm gonna reach out because she's a human and I know her. They were like, well, Steven said so. So, you know, and Steven says that.

[Eric Williams]

She called us hillbilly, so we're now not gonna text her when her sister died. That is not. It's. It's not like one dog to one chicken.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

[Eric Williams]

Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Math is mathing.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah.

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[Eric Williams]

It's the way you break up with someone when the sex is that good. Do you think they're having. Do you think that's why.

[Ronnie Karam]

100%.

[Eric Williams]

That's what's keeping them together.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, that's how you break up with someone when you want someone to call and beg you to come back.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah. And I think they stare at themselves in the mirror when they have sex. That's the kind of people they are, I think.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think definitely. And I think they probably have a lot of shower sex, which is why she went into the shower as soon as she came back. So. So she. She has this whole thing where she drags out all of her girlfriends. She's like, I am done with him. And then they're like. They get drunk at a bar in Dallas and they're the girls at the bar going, bye, Steven.

[Eric Williams]

Bye, Steven.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. Shots for Cal. They even have a sign that says, bye, Steven, which you Know, of course, is a memory. It both hearkens back to Southern hospitality, the Southern hospitality signs, but also reminds me of the time when Britney went down to. Went to a club for her, like, bachelorette party, and they brought out a sign that said dump Jacks or something. And then she lost her mind. Right.

[Eric Williams]

Well, I also love the throwback to a woman doing the splits on a Bravo telepromptella television program, because she did the splits not once, not twice, but three times on her little phone recap with her friend, which I do appreciate. Her Dallas friends. I. I kind of thought that the little sneak peek, the little peek we got of them was more interesting than Casey and Ally.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kkc.

[Eric Williams]

No, not kkc. I. I stuttered. Casey. Casey.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh. I was like, damn, Casey. K. Casey. Fellow podcasts are catching a stray. She's not as boring as Kate.

[Eric Williams]

Casey. No. Okay, Casey. It's Casey and Ally who are just such terrible tele.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, I.

[Eric Williams]

They didn't. I don't think they signed up for it. I. I don't want to go on too hard on them because they did not sign up for this show, but they're. They're at least catless. Friends are doing the splits in a bar. Give us something.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they didn't have to sign up for this show, but they could have also signed up for some personality, and that's not hard to do. So instead, what we get is we go back over to. To Missouri, to Gallatin, Missouri. Was that near. Did you grow up in Gallatin, by the way? Please, please say yes.

[Eric Williams]

Oh, I wish I could. I could lie to you and say I did. I'm actually from the other city. Whenever they say the city, and I'm like, what are they talking about? And I found out it was Kansas city. I'm from St. Louis, Missouri, so I'm like, really? From the metropolitan center of Missouri. But Gallatin is like. I mean, I did not know about it until this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, last time I checked, there was no arch in Gallatin, so.

[Eric Williams]

And don't get it twisted. Yeah, Gallatin has, like, I'm sure farms and then people, animals. Like, I think that's as much excitement as goes down in Gallatin.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sure it's actually very lovely, but it's no St. Louis, that's for sure. So, Casey, speaking of which, here's something exciting happening in Gallatin. Cole and Casey are at the drive, not the drive through. They're, like, stopped to, like, at, like, the gas station or whatever. And Cole's gonna Get some snacks. And Casey, he. She's pregnant, so she wants all these things. She wants like peanut M M's. And she. She says, I want some peanut M M's body armor, Popcorn, chicken and a honey mustard. I like maybe chips baked or. Or kettle cooked or. Can you get me one of those pickles? That's it. So that's fine. You know, it's funny pregnancy thing, body armor. Where did the body armor fit into that list?

[Eric Williams]

I was confused, too, about the body armor.

[Ronnie Karam]

In fact, a snack.

[Eric Williams]

Well, I think it's actually. It is a drink, but it's like a sports drink with a terrible name because what's the. When you think of body armor, what does your brain go to?

[Ronnie Karam]

I think of, like a bulletproof vest.

[Eric Williams]

Right. Isn't there, like. I think, like, Axe body spray?

[Ronnie Karam]

That's where I go, oh, yeah. Or that's their body armor. I thought it might have been like a deodorant or something like that.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah. Give us body armor.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hammer and Axe body spray. So body armor together.

[Eric Williams]

It's a fruit punch, coconut water hydration with potassium and vitamins and electrolytes.

[Ronnie Karam]

I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate that she ordered it. It says everything about her. So. Yeah. So he's getting her food, and then we go over to the McBee Farm and Cattle Company. And so Stephen McBee is at his desk and trying to reach Galena. So Galena's gone missing because she is spiraling because her best friend Masha has basically taken over her role as lover to Stephen McBee Senior. And. And Galena's not having it. Any. Any part of it. So she's now gone awol, and no one knows where this woman is. I mean, in my mind, it's like you fire her like she's fired right away.

[Eric Williams]

Right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Like you are this. I don't know what. Her role as cfo. Cf?

[Eric Williams]

Yeah. The chief financial office dress.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. So she should be fired. And because here's the thing. She's gonna. If they're concerned that she is gonna, like. Like, out all the. All the skeletons, she's gonna do that no matter what. She already starts to do it this episode. So just get ahead of it and fire her. Because why should you pay for someone to make your life hell? Right?

[Eric Williams]

Oh, yeah. I. I think that the way that Steve Senior is running this business and then. And then having romantic triangles with the women that are running the actual company, he. I can possibly. Is one of the dumbest men on Bravo, which is saying a lot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And he's not even. We don't even get to see him. So he is apparently in Cozumel at the moment with Masha on vacation. And Galena is like, she's triggered. She can't deal with it. She had to go. She's just. She's disappeared. We don't know what, like, what hell she's causing, but we know she's up to no good whenever she goes. Goes away. It's like in those movies where someone's like, a werewolf and they, like, disappear, and they come back and they're like, shirt is tattered and they've just killed someone. Right. I'm assuming that's what happens. I don't know if I've actually seen too many werewolf movies.

[Eric Williams]

I haven't either, but I'm gonna co sign that. I also think it's funny that Steve took Masha on vacation and somehow Galena found out, and he has no idea how she. I just love thinking of Galena as, like, a Russian operative who is somehow underneath every single bad thing that's going on at this company.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you have to imagine that Masha probably sent a photo to Galena, was like, oops, sorry, wrong number. Didn't mean for you to see that. Oopsies. You know, they have some strange.

[Eric Williams]

That was my sister. Yeah. No, she. Masha is. I. I'm. I'm confused about what is happening organically. I'm not. I'm not surprised that Steve senior is another Russian blonde that I'm not surprised about. I am curious about if Masha and Galena were actually best friends. That's my question.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is a really great question. So Steven is like. He's. He's walking around the office and he's pissed. And we know he's pissed because he's like, I can't get a hold of her. I am pissed. I am pissed. Look at me. I'm angry. The producer said I should be angry, so I'm gonna be angry right now. So he's huffing and puffing. And I love Cara in the office. She's the administrative assistant. I don't know if she had a larger. If she's had a role in season one. But Kara pretty much sits at this little desk and makes. And has, like, very big reactions. She has a sort of reaction of like an extra who's doing too much in the background of a scene, you know?

[Eric Williams]

Yes. Kind of like in all the scenes, like when Aviva's leg was thrown. And then you cut to, like, the gay guy sipping of A gin and tonic.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. Big mouth.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah, she's the version. She's the less fun version of that for this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. So he's like, like, cara, have you seen Galina? She's like, I have not seen her. Okay, well, I have to go down to the city and not the other city with the arch. You know that. Not that one with all the. That, that's all those gays there with the mustaches. No, we're going to Kansas City.

[Eric Williams]

Dragon.

[Ronnie Karam]

He really called you out? I was like, really? I couldn't believe you said that.

[Eric Williams]

I couldn't either. But you know what? If he wants to see my mustache in person, I would unfortunately let him take a close look. I'm not proud, and I'm not proud of that, Ben. But a toxic man from Missouri I've been known to fantasize about from, from age 13 to now.

[Ronnie Karam]

This show must be really doing something for you. This is really. This is a real. This is a real hot bed of toxic men from Missouri.

[Eric Williams]

I know, I know. It's. It's not surprising that I am into men who cannot communicate and shut down whenever you want to have any sort of emotional conversation with them.

[Ronnie Karam]

That. I would never say that about Steven Jr. So he, he seems very emotionally mature and very communicative at all times.

[Eric Williams]

Right? He's not a 8 year old child and the man of. In the body of like a gorgeous weightlifter.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, precisely. So he's saying that he's like, I've always defending Galena because her work ethic and what she's done for the company, but now at this point, there is no work ethic. Like she's just gone. So then we just hear like a singer being like, take my head, take control, take my body, take my soul. Which. Not sure why that was the song for the moment, but sure, why not? And Steven goes to Bryant's Barbecue over in Kansas City and he has a meeting there with the guys there. And basically it's like a potential new client for this meat. And so, you know, you know, so he's like, well, you know, it seems like every celebrity that's coming to Kansas City, they stop here at this place. I mean, they, they have that this place has transcended Kansas City. I mean, I know there have been some presidents that I've eaten here. And then the owner is like. And you know, Ted Lasso's favorite barbecue sauce is from year two. Like, sure.

[Eric Williams]

Can you explain that to me? What does that mean? This Ted Lasso's character drinks on the show their barbecue sauce.

[Ronnie Karam]

I guess Ted Lasso's favorite Barbie. I guess. I'm sure there was a. I didn't watch Ted Lasso.

[Eric Williams]

I didn't either. I thought Ted Lasso was a character.

[Ronnie Karam]

Correct. Ted Lasso is not a real person, but this guy is like, yes, we've had presidents who've come here, but more importantly, a fictional character on Apple. Apple TV plus really enjoys our burn.

[Eric Williams]

Once enjoyed. My other favorite thing is that they cut to the biggest celebrities and presidents, but which Barack Obama shout out. But then Donald Glover.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that was also funny that, like, it's like, Obama was there, but, like, but more importantly, Ted Lasso likes our barbecue sauce.

[Eric Williams]

And by that I mean Danny Glover. Danny Glover. Isn't that who it is? It's.

[Ronnie Karam]

I. I only remember seeing there was there. I. It's Danny.

[Eric Williams]

They show a picture of Barack Obama and then Danny Glover who, like, you know, he is a great actor. Lethal Weapon, we love. But it's just very funny to me that, like, like, they could have given us a full range of the celebrities. And we see. We hear about Ted Lasso and then.

[Ronnie Karam]

We see Danny Glover and then Obama. Like, it's like, you know, you know, I just feel like if I were Andy and I was on national TV and I got to brag about the celebrities that came to my restaurant, I don't. I just don't know if Ted Lasso. Ted Lasso. I know people loved. People loved Ted Lasso to all, honestly, an annoying degree. Like, it's kind of the band in my existence. I just think that, like, I don't know, but I guess he knew. He was like. He's like, the moment he, like, brags to Steven Jr. You know, Obama came in here. Steven Junior's like, well, it's nice meeting you up the road.

[Eric Williams]

I know. I don't think we need to ask who these people are voting for.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, well, anyway, I, you know, I don't know if army is a good match for you guys.

[Eric Williams]

I want. But see, I want that version of the show where we got to, like, have like. Like, maybe one of the girlfriends voted Democrat and then, like, they actually have to talk about that. Like, that would be a fun version of family drama.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Like, turns out Casey. Casey was like, well, actually, I think that Bernie Sanders has some interesting things.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah, yeah, Casey's a Bernie comes in.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, she has. She has like, a Elizabeth Warren T shirt that she puts on. Hey, guys, what's going on today?

[Eric Williams]

I'm actually really anti ice and all the people, all the other brothers are like, like what? How dare you?

[Ronnie Karam]

So anyway, these people, the, the restaurant puts in, they're, they're thinking about like working with McBees. And so they want to put in a big order and they really care about timing because they have to, because they have to start, they have to start smoking their meat, you know, at a certain time in the day.

[Eric Williams]

And of course they need to set up the, the plot line that, you know. Do you see it being an issue? No, I don't see it being an issue. We' large operation, we run about 2000 head calf payers all Angus he's given telling them why their business is always incredibly dependable. So of course this business deal will only be smooth, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I'll be. It will be the smoothest. Honestly, I was, I was sort of like watching the scene and I was like, why is the scene going on so long about make about making a deal for beef? And I wasn't even thinking you were smart because I wasn't even thinking they were setting anything up. I thought it was just like this is what we do do as, as meet people. I didn't even realize that I was being set up.

[Eric Williams]

I only realized it when they started to go so specific about their delivery windows. And I was like, I understand the show is bad, but there needs to be some sort of purpose for me learning about the delivery window of this random barbecue restaurant in Kansas City, Missouri. And then Stephen Jr. Goes, you know, I'd rather over communicate than go dark and do anything to mess your guys business function. And so it's like, okay, I understand that. Yeah, the business function is incredibly important apparently for this goddamn show. I don't care about brisket delivery windows.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel like there's a world where I would care, but it's not going to be on this show. Like I think I would need the show to be specifically about that. It would have to be called like brisket delivery windows. I'm like, you know what? I think I'm interested to see how that show works, right. Like really specifically about that. But if I'm tuning in to see like messiness and then I'm like sitting and having to endure a conversation about brisket delivery windows, you know, it's not, it's not a fit for me.

[Eric Williams]

Well, I think the problem that we're really sort of broaching over and over is that Steven Jr. Is not the right person to be at the center of this. Because if like Galena was a part of being doing all the logistics because she's always very dependable. But then because of her heart being broken, she starts to lose her mind and then actually starts up. Sure. But it kind of seems like Stephen always sucks at his job. They're always like, he never comes to the farm, he never comes to the field to help with the fire. And then he's. It's like, well, duh, he sucks.

[Ronnie Karam]

He does suck. He really does suck, honestly. I know he has like a great body and everything. I don't enjoy his like, sleeveless tease that he does. I don't like the way that he cuts the them. He can't even do that right. You know, like. I know, I know.

[Eric Williams]

He's showing, like, looking at them. I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no, no, no. I. I enjoy looking at the muscles he's showing. Nip. I. I don't like. I feel like there's like a better way to do it. I don't know.

[Eric Williams]

Oh, true. You know what? It's for me, it's like a. It's like taking care of the young version of me in Missouri who like, felt insecure about being like, either gay or like, different. And I'm like, you know what? At least he's like a. A with no taste. At least that's how he's showing his. His difference. His true colors are having terrible taste, but at least wanting to show off his pointy nipples.

[Ronnie Karam]

His nipples and his like very, very wide lats that like kind of poke out. Like really, like.

[Eric Williams]

Can I say something really specific too? They show something. They do a clip of him over his shoulder and I saw a little bit of hair on his shoulder and I was like, I feel seen.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a dream. Your brisket delivery window was met at that moment.

[Eric Williams]

I'll say all £4,000 that they're trying to get every single week.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's a lot. That's crazy. There's a lot of brisket commercials. Here comes one right now.

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[Ronnie Karam]

So then we hear another transitional song and hey mama, will you be my lover? I need you in my life I took my time, went round and round But I really need to get this right. Sure, sure. I think that was an ode to the brisket, by the way. Really need to get this brisket delivery right.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah. And I think it's giving like if selling Sunset was doing the the dumbest country songs you've ever heard.

[Ronnie Karam]

Selling Gallatin.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Cole is sitting at a computer and he's trying to design a flyer for a gender reveal, which I'm in Gen. I'm like very opposed to gender reveals. I think they're absolutely annoying. I think they're unnecessary and they're just an excuse for people to like book your time and energy and like, like light things on fire. I just don't want to see them at all. And so of course Cole is going to be doing a gender reveal. That's like the least surprising news of all to come out of this.

[Eric Williams]

And what's even less surprising is that they're involving a helicopter. It's like I, I think, I think gender reveals are usually quite annoying, but I think if they're within the bounds of a kitchen, if you're slicing into a cake on an island, God bless. Live your truth. I love any excuse to have dessert. However, when we start to see pyrotechnics, military aircrafts, I think we've lost the plot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Anything that involves smoke. Because the truth is I don't know if I inherently care that much about the gender reveal. And maybe that's just me because I'm just like ice, ice cold on the inside. I don't really care. Like, just tell me. I don't. I don't. I'm not, like, waiting in suspense to find out. Like, it's exciting for you, not for me. Really. Like. Like, just let me know what I should be getting off the registry and we're done.

[Eric Williams]

But even then, like, my woke moment is that I'm like, okay, so if you find out the baby is a boy or a girl, like, how much do you have to change your preparation? I hate when it's like, they are all talking about when they do the gender reveal later, when they finally find out what the gender is, and it's all of a sudden, like, you gotta protect her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Make sure you.

[Eric Williams]

It's like, always, like, if it's a girl, she's a dainty, weak little thing. And if it's a boy, now he's gonna take over the world. It's like, I. That's where. That's my Missouri trauma coming out, where it's like, you do understand that we live in a world where a girl is not all of a sudden destined to be a weak right person costs.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, exactly.

[Eric Williams]

Who's gonna protect her dumb dad and uncle?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Definitely not them. And when Cole was like, well, now that I found out that she's a girl, I'm gonna have to start learning about, like, girl stuff now because, like, I gotta know. I'm like, I love that. Like, otherwise, if it had been a girl, you would not have even cared about learning anything about women. You're like, well, now I've got to pay attention to women now.

[Eric Williams]

Well, you hear the way that their mom talks about how they deal with women. That's a little scary. She says, like in the last episode too. I think she's like. A couple times, she's like, the way that they treat women, the way they talk about women. I'm like, this. The dad, Steve Sr. I think is a villain.

[Ronnie Karam]

He is a villain, but also like, Mom. Like, you are still like, their mom. Like, you were still like, an authority figure in the left. Can you at least try to, like, get them, like, you see where they're going, going astray. Could you at least try to get in there and try to be like, hey, I'm the mother here. I don't care what your dad says, I'm your mother. You stay in this fucking party right now. Like, come on, Mom.

[Eric Williams]

Did you just quote Toni Collette in Hereditary? I'm your mother.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was too scared to see that movies, but I'll just say yes.

[Eric Williams]

I didn't see it either. I just saw the meme on Twitter.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm a scaredy cat. I cannot see horror movies. I just. I watched Sinners over the weekend. That's about as scary as I can get.

[Eric Williams]

It wasn't I love Sinners.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah, My. My husband Matt is like a horror scary Mary, and I do not go with him. But Sinners, I heard, was good enough that I should, and I very glad I did.

[Ronnie Karam]

I really enjoyed Sinners quite a bit. So you hear. You heard it here last, everyone. Sinners is a good movie.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

If you haven't heard about it.

[Eric Williams]

Sinners is out of theaters, but you should catch it streaming.

[Ronnie Karam]

So any who. So Cole is designing a flyer with Tessa. Tell Tessa's looking over. They're like, using, like, print shop from, like, 1987 to make this flyer. And so are you gonna put any critters. You're putting critters on there? Baby bottles or something like that? I mean, look, I'm Tessa, but even I know this thing needs a little bit of something to it. Okay, you can fix that up.

[Eric Williams]

Did you click on the right clicky thing?

[Ronnie Karam]

I ain't done this in sixth or seventh grade. Like, you were doing gender reveal posters in sixth grade. Wow.

[Eric Williams]

My favorite is when she's like. She's like, we need a crash course on this. What is Windows 50 now by this time? And he goes, no, it's like she goes way wrong.

[Ronnie Karam]

Google.

[Eric Williams]

Oh, good night. As if Google has, like, been invented a year ago.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, we're doing that new hijack Google now. And they're saying this, by the way, we can see they're on an imac. Like, it's this window. Windows 50 windows. It's on Google's now. And that artificial intelligence. Oh, artificial intelligence. That's what we called you for growing up.

[Eric Williams]

Was it open AI? How do you know about that? But not Google Docs.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is this that C plus plus again? Prism? Huh?

[Eric Williams]

She has, like, I her references for technology this poor. I mean, listen, it's not to on Galveston, Missouri, but I'm thrilled that at least Cole is even taking the reins on designing a flyer. And hey, can we give props to Tessa for doing. Is it a McBee or McShee? I think that's smart copywriting.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was pretty good. That was pretty good. I have to say, though, they lose marks because it's like, can you guys just open up a Canva account? Because this was just a sad. A sad flier. I don't know how you're going to motivate anyone. I hope your flyers for your show look better than this, because you're not going to motivate anyone to come to an event with. With this sort of bad basic font, bad kerning, bad spacing, bad clip art. Oh, I want better.

[Eric Williams]

Terrible. And then, like, they, like, tape it on just, like, the bathroom door and the next to, like, the wrenches and shit. I, first of all, Canva. I am a forever. I forever bow down to Canva. That is my girl. But my also my other favorite part from this scene is where he calls Casey. And then they. He goes, what time do you want it to be at? And she goes. She goes, sunset. He goes, that's not the time that I was thinking. And then he goes, okay, 6pm at the Red. What is it? The Red Barn.

[Ronnie Karam]

Red Barn. Pavilion.

[Eric Williams]

And then, of course, can you spell pavilion?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's. It's a fair question. And.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah, he spelled it wrong.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. And Tessa. Yeah, he got it right in there. Pavilion. Got it right there. He got the Z and everything. So. Okay, should be good. So, yeah, they. They come up with Mickey or McShee. And you did good.

[Eric Williams]

Coler Bean.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is that, I guess, her nickname from Kohler Bean.

[Eric Williams]

Cole. And I wonder what the etymology of Kohler bean is. Kohler Bean.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, you got to squeeze the bean to get your coffee. Coca Cola.

[Eric Williams]

You know, Coca Cola comes from beans. That's what I heard.

[Ronnie Karam]

You gotta soak those Coca Cola beans for a whole day before you can get your soda out of them.

[Eric Williams]

I've been telling Stephen I want us to grow our own Coca Cola. We got a whole bean farm in the back, and I think we could do a diet. And a zero.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, they. He says he wants corn. He says he wants beef. I'm telling you, cola is the way to go.

[Eric Williams]

If we're really feeling excited, we could do a Mr. Pib. You know, I love a Mr. Pib.

[Ronnie Karam]

You Know, you could do all sorts of interesting cross breeds. They got some cherry Coca Cola beans, too, now. And that's the flavor of cola with cherries. As you know, it's all there in the name. I mean, I don't know why we're not doing this.

[Eric Williams]

I knew that because I went to an AMC theater once, but that was in the big city of Kansas City, Missouri.

[Ronnie Karam]

I have to tell you that Nicole Kidman, she is much taller than I ever thought. You know, took up the entire screen.

[Eric Williams]

We come to this place for cola.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what I learned. And so I took some cola beans back from that Theater and I planted them everywhere. It's like, tessa, that's just popcorn. Now those are cola beans.

[Eric Williams]

I think we should do a popcorn field. And you know what? I got some of those mackinacs. Can we grow mackinacs too?

[Ronnie Karam]

Here's what I was thinking. Okay, Follow me. We take some cola beans and we take some popcorn beans or put them in the feed and we'll see which one pops up. And when we can have, we can set up a flyer and beside, is it a McHay or a McShee? And the she will be the popcorn. The he will be the colas. That way we can reuse those flyers. You see what I'm saying here? You gotta think big sometimes.

[Eric Williams]

And then maybe I can figure out on Google word that we can put Nicole Kibbon on the poster too.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've already called her people and they say that she's very interested. She never turns down a jack crab.

[Eric Williams]

She only thing is she needs to wear a wig. And I've got plenty of those. This is not my natural hair color bean.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kayla said that she would make Nicole a prosthetic nose. Just that way she could be an Oscar contain chin.

[Eric Williams]

It's going to be the others too. No, the hours too.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's gonna be a hybrid of the Hours and the others. Okay. And it's gonna be a very powerful film. And it's gonna start our arcola beans. Okay. I think we got. Got the future for this farm all settled out.

[Eric Williams]

I do like. I do like the dead mom, Tessa. I. Because she's the only person who can take a script and really deliver it. Because you can tell for every recap. This is what happens when you go in the farm. Like, she at least is giving us. Like she's hitting certain continents. Yeah, operative words, she at least can give us. Can give us a really direct emotional plea with the. The lines that the producers are giving her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's really the star here. So basically, Kala, you know, Kala is in the throes of independence. She has decided this family is absolutely toxic to me. I don't need to be here. I need to be with my girls in Dallas. We're gonna do splits. We're gonna listen to Carrie Underwood. We're gonna be like, that's my jam. Every time music comes on. And we do not need for me to be going back up to Missouri. Cut to her. She is now returned to Missouri two days later in Steven Jr's house. And she is here ostensibly because I think she's trying to get money for her apartment. Is that the excuse that she's using?

[Eric Williams]

I guess. Because, like, what is that whole flashback where she tells Casey and Ally that sometimes Stephen will give her 10 or $20,000 out of the blue?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, like he'll. Or it was like a monthly allowance or something like that. So I think she's like, you know, I have a lifestyle that I've been maintaining, and I'm up here to. To maintain it. They also show this flashback about five times this episode of him. They have this whole fight last episode, and it's him in the car going, you are the most pessimistic person to ever speak about my family.

[Eric Williams]

Which was, like, really tough to watch because that was seconds after she said that she felt really alone when her sister died. And then no one reached out to her. And then he's like, well, you hate my family. And it's like, that has nothing to do with what she is saying. It he. That. I think. I think ultimately that's how you can see the relationship failing over and over again, is that he has no way to deal with an adult over the age of 13.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's correct. And when he says, you are the most pessimistic person to ever speak about my family. Honey, you are on Bravo now. There's going to be a lot of us talking about your family. Yeah, buckle up, buckle up, buckle up. So she's coming in and, like, he's already, like, moved, like, some decor around, and, you know, so there's that. She's like, wow, it's all different now. And he's like, whatever counts as decor in that house. And then Steve, it's like, oh, you moved the Marshall's poster, the wood block that Sundays hello in five different languages. You moved it to a different room.

[Eric Williams]

Where the frog statue go.

[Ronnie Karam]

So he's talking about how they're very volatile. Volatile. Volatile. They're very volatile. Hi. Hey, Taser. Can you tell me about Vaultable? Did I spell that correctly?

[Eric Williams]

I'll try to pull up my Microsoft Windows 40. I will pull up my Google.

[Ronnie Karam]

Google XL. So they're talking about apartments, and she's saying that she's been looking at apartments. And, you know, she, like, basically she. She wants the money for it. She basically wants him to pay for it. And she's saying, like, you know what? I've uprooted my life for Steven twice. I moved to. From Dallas to Gallatin and then back to Dallas and then back to Gallatin. I'm like, some of that's on you, lady. Sorry.

[Eric Williams]

Well, then Steven talks about how they've broken up, like, how many times? 15, 16 times.

[Ronnie Karam]

He says they've broken up 15 times. Literally.

[Eric Williams]

What. In what world, how many breakups do you think is excusable for a relationship? Like, I. I think two. Two is the maximum. As a grown ass adult, I think two.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think you can have one where you're like, oh, this was a mistake. Second time. That's it.

[Eric Williams]

That's my first boyfriend. I was like, my first love. We broke up once. We were. I was in single for like a month. I started to be like, oh, my God. I'm like, happy being single. And then we got coffee and he asked me to get back together. And then I said yes because I was. I, like, didn't want to be single deep down. I just, like, was afraid of never finding anybody else. And then the second we got back together, I knew it was the wrong choice. And then we broke up officially, like, four months after that. I think your first Love, when you're 21, break up twice. Absolutely. But 15 or 16 times. How old is Steve? Stephen? I mean, he's not a child.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know. I imagine he's like 33 or something like that. 35. I also think now this could be. This. This may be up thinking, but it's just where my brain went. I have to. I have to be honest about what I think about when I watch these shows. If you can't. Can't. Like, like, if you're. How am I supposed to trust you to run a company if you can't even run your relationship?

[Eric Williams]

Right? Oh, no, I. Well, that's exactly what the matriarch of the family says, whatever her name is. Because she was saying that that's.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm gonna call her Roxanne. Her name is. She sort of has some Roxanne energy to her, you know, and she.

[Eric Williams]

And I think she could also be like Roxie Hart. And. And we're gonna see her next in Chicago on Broadway. But I think when Roxanne's, like, talking about how her business has done so well, I think it's in the most. The second episode.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Eric Williams]

And then how now the farm is completely falling apart because the guy at the head of it has a chaotic personal life. It's the same thing with. With Steven Jr. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now, I know there are, of course, stories of, like, people who are rock star CEOs who are. Or, like, really successful people, and they're amazing with their jobs and their personal life is in shambles. That's fine. I mean, it sucks for their personal life. But, like, that's. That's not what's happening here. This is not, like, someone who is really good with business and then has, like, a trail of destruction in their wake. On the personal side, this is someone who is. Actually sucks bad at all. Sucks at business, too. This is someone. This is a kendall from succession situation going on here.

[Eric Williams]

Right. And by the way, I looked up his age, and he is 32 years old. So very close. I don't know if the jawline is all natural, which is adding some years to the face, but it's not for me to decide.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's an. It's an aging jawline. So Calla announces that she's gonna go the gender reveal, which is, I think, weird. If you're broken up, then I don't think you could. If you're broken up and you're on weird terms of the family anyway, why are you going to the gender reveal? I'm sort of getting vibes like, she just really wants to be on tv, baby.

[Eric Williams]

Be. Because cameras are up. Cameras are up. And that's why she's. That. That's why I'm curious about when they brought the cameras to Dallas to see her go out with her girlfriends. My flash into the future was that this was going to become her show. And I don't think it is, actually. But my fear was that they decided to put their eggs in her basket and create the show around her. But I think ultimately, if they break up for good, is she still going to be on the show? That's what I'm curious about.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, but she's always going to follow those cameras. I mean, they met on Joe Millionaire, apparently, so.

[Eric Williams]

Did you watch that?

[Ronnie Karam]

That? I did not. I watched the original one back, you know, 25 years ago.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

To say. But I did not watch that. I. I don't think I even realized Joe Millionaire was back. Was it on Fox again?

[Eric Williams]

Sounds like it would have been. I had no idea. When they said that he was from Joe Millionaire, I was like, oh, well, guess smart to, like, give someone that was a good television figure. Another show. And then I watched him and I said, oh, no. They. They did it for the nipples and nothing else.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, did it for the nipples. Oh, by the way, I also feel bad for Kala's Dallas friends, because Kala is so that person who's like, I broke up with my boyfriend. I'm single now. We were going to party, and you're like, oh, my God, finally my friend is back. We can party. And then two days later, Back with a boyfriend, never see her again. And we all have those friends who do that to us. They, like, feed us these lies that they finally have broken the cycle of the codependency that they were in, in their relationship. And now you can finally, like, socialize with them. You can go to dinner with them, you can go out with them. The things that you loved about your friend originally that made you friends with them that was, like, was taken away from you by some, some guy. You're like, ah, finally. And then, of course, like, as soon as the man comes calling, she's gone. I honestly, I can't. I've actually cut out all my friends like that, that, who are like that in my life.

[Eric Williams]

I have too. I, I. Because it really, like, it goes from they're just destroying their lives to then they're completely disregarding any of the, like, hours of advice you had given them. It's like, what if I'm going to give you all this gorgeous advice over Ben and Jerry's and then we're going to then agree to go back to our friendship and you dating actually good people only for you to go back.

[Ronnie Karam]

To them and, and God forbid you're a gay in her life, because our lot in life as gays is to be abandoned by straight people when they get married and get into relationships.

[Eric Williams]

That's true.

[Ronnie Karam]

So God forbid that you are, that you as a gay, you, you hitched your ride onto her because she's, she's probably left you in the dust so many times over and over again.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah. I wonder if she has any gay friends.

[Ronnie Karam]

She probably has like a hairstylist or something. You know that in Dallas. Yeah, yeah. You know, something like that. Like a, or a friend who's like a cheer coach.

[Eric Williams]

So fingers crossed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's be honest. Knights of the Roundup. So she's gonna go the gender reveal and, and Steven assures her that, like, no, no one's gonna be acting weird to her, which is a lie. Everyone's gonna be weird to her because they always are. And she's also going to be weird to them in return. I'm also gonna note, I'm gonna tell you that. Spoiler alert. So now we go to Jesse and Allie. I think Jesse is the hotter McBee. Personally, I do too.

[Eric Williams]

The only, like, obnoxious thing I can say about this man's body is that I really have a thing for body hair, which is something that I, you know, talk about too much. And at one point, it took off his shirt and it was giving very Bare. And that was a little disappointing. I think his hair is stunning. I think the face.

[Ronnie Karam]

They are B A R E in this.

[Eric Williams]

Sorry, sorry. B A R E is correct. It was giving. Yeah, you're right. As a gay man, I can't believe I. It was giving, Jergens. It was giving there. It was giving. Actually, it might be naturally smooth. Just like I can't knock a man for not being given hair by the Lord. But he is. He is beautiful. He is beautiful.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he seems to have a better personality. So he's down in the city because Jesse and Ally have a city house. Because she. Listen, she is a city girl at heart. She likes to get her nails done. She likes to go to a spa. She's a city girls that like to.

[Eric Williams]

Go to a restaurant.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think.

[Eric Williams]

I think in comparison to Gallatin, a city girl is just being around more than, what, 12 people?

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I like to take my clothes, the dry cleaners.

[Eric Williams]

I like to have electricity, running water.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm a city girl. Jessica Parker. I'm like. And just like that. Oh, my goodness. It's more like. And just like, Ally, am I right? I'm such a city girl.

[Eric Williams]

Instead of Fifth Avenue, I get to go to Main street and walk into a single grocery store. I'm a city girl.

[Ronnie Karam]

So he's making breakfast. And then because he's down in the city, because she's been saying, like, hey, you're spending so much time up at the farm, you need to come down to the big city so we can have city times. Because she loves the city. She's a city girl. And so now he's spending time in the city city house. And then Stephen Jr. Calls. He's like, well, guess what? Heading over to the meat facility to figure out the Arthur Bryant deal that we're supposed to deliver on. And I'm rushing up the meat facility now. Can you help me out? Because I've got to get this deal done because I'm already running late because Galina's gone dark. Glenn has gone dark. Oh, my God. Glenn has gone dark and I can't even get a hold of her. And she was supposed to tell me when the meat was supposed to deliver to me. You know what it sounds like? It sounds like you spent too much time fucking Kylo last night in the shower. Instead of looking at your schedule and seeing there was a meat delivery and knowing that Galena has already been gone, you should have been on top of that. I'm sorry. I'm not going to blame this one On Galena at all?

[Eric Williams]

Not at all. This woman's heart has been ripped out. She took off a day and a half, and then Steve and Junior can't maintain a single day of this business running. And so he's. That, that's. But do you think that this is at all real, do you think?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, no, no. Because. Because Steven's acting so blatantly. He's like. He's like. He's like, jesse, do something. As he slams down onto a piano. I was like, wow, been there.

[Eric Williams]

If I had a nickel, I'd have two. Which is actually quite a lot for Jesse, do something. It's. It's. I think that the actual drama is real, though, with Ally and Jesse, with the city house and him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Eric Williams]

Wanting to be a farm boy like that, to me does feel like they built this truly gorgeous house, the Kansas City house. The shots that they show of like, Kala. Kala walking in and seeing it for the first time, I'm like, you know what? It's gorge. It's a gorgeous house.

[Ronnie Karam]

I would keep the city house. Quite frankly, I also think that like. Like, I don't know. So is this a. Is this a strange take? 90 minutes is a long commute. But, like, so much of. I feel like. I feel like anytime you talk to anyone who's like, worked on a farm or anyone who's been on any shows that's like, a farmer, this is what they do. They say, oh, well, you know me, I'm up at 6, I'm doing this and that. I'm doing this. I'm taking the cows and bragging about all the hard work that they do. It's like, well, if you're such a hard worker, then do a commute. Like, I don't know, it's kind of like you.

[Eric Williams]

You wake up an hour earlier.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. If your whole identity is about, like, that you do hard work, well, just add this to your hard work identity. I'm normally, I would not say, like, oh, whatever, it's a 90 minute commute. Like, that sucks. But, like, I don't know, if you're gonna build a house down in Kansas City, I would also want to use it too. Right.

[Eric Williams]

Well, it's also, I think the deeper issue between the two of them is that they've been together since high school and that she. They're both just comfortable. But he's super lazy and she's a city girl. And so he is. And so. And so he's clearly not wanting to put an ounce of effort into being in the same Place as her.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, my favorite thing to do is as a podcaster is that when you have, like, a side that you. That you've taken, how you will warp your own logic just to make it like, literally. My entire hot take I just had was so ridiculous. Like, just, you're a farmer. Wake up, up 90 minutes earlier on your already very long day and just make that drive. I don't see what the problem is.

[Eric Williams]

Is that coming from podcast trauma. What do you think that is?

[Ronnie Karam]

I think so. I think, yeah.

[Eric Williams]

No, the way that I in real life have podcast moments that I'm like, this is devastating. Like, I'll, like, the one thing that's really bad is that I know that you can just edit out a pause in an interview. And so sometimes if I can't think of, remember what I'm going to say, I'll be with a group of people and I'll be like. And then I'll. And then a whole group of people will be waiting for me to say something. And I realized, you can't edit out a pause in real life.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. One thing that happens with we since we podcast so much that sometimes I start to. Sometimes I develop a hot take on something I have no interest in whatsoever. Start doing it, and then all of a sudden I'm like, why am I developing this hot take right now? And now I'm committed to it, so now I've got to see it all the way through. And then I finally have to end. I have to finish. You have to wrap it up, and you end. So. So I wind up in this place with a hot take I didn't care about to begin with, but for some reason, I started it. Cause I'm like, I'm podcasting right now.

[Eric Williams]

It's muscle memory. I interview people. I interview people. All of a sudden I start asking, like, admittedly great questions, but people don't need to be interviewed without consent.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think that's a great quality to interview people. I think it's good to be inquisitive about people. So I think that's a good. That's. That's a good trait to pick up from your podcast. I don't think having a hot take on every single stupid thing really matters in life. It's like, oh, my God, that doorknob. You know, we. Why do we even have doorknobs? Like, we shouldn't even have doorknobs anymore.

[Eric Williams]

This chicken sandwich hot take should actually be less breaded. And I think. And then you do a full 10 act play.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

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