#2931 RHOM S7E6 Part 1: Narcs and Recreation w/ Amy Philips

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary: Episode #2931 – RHOM S7E6 Part 1: Narcs and Recreation

Release Date: July 17, 2025

In Episode #2931 of the "Watch What Crappens" podcast, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the seventh season of "The Real Housewives of Miami" (RHOM), specifically recapping Part 1 of Episode 6 titled "Narcs and Recreation." Joined by special guest Amy Phillips from the "Drama Darling" podcast, the trio offers a spirited and humorous analysis of the latest drama unfolding in Miami's high-stakes social scene.

Welcome and Guest Introduction

At the [03:11] mark, Ben Mandelker introduces Amy Phillips, highlighting her role in providing fresh perspectives on Bravo's Real Housewives franchise. Amy joins them remotely from South Beach, bringing her unique Miami flair and insights to the discussion.

Ben Mandelker: “Hello, Amy, how are you?”

Amy Phillips: “Hello. I’m great. It’s so nice to see you again.”

Setting the Scene: Miami Vibes

Amy sets the stage by mentioning her recent trip to Miami, including traveling by Stephanie’s private jet to pick up dogs—a move that initially raised eyebrows among fans.

Amy Phillips: “I took Stephanie’s private jet because I had some dogs to pick up. So I went ahead and she was able to pick me up in Santa Clarita.”

The hosts and Amy highlight the vibrant Miami aesthetic, evident through Amy’s pink neon sign backdrop and Ronnie’s nautical-themed attire, symbolizing the season’s tropical setting.

Stephanie and Lisa: A Rocky Road

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the tumultuous relationship between Stephanie and Lisa. Amy expresses her initial skepticism toward Stephanie, especially regarding her obsession with Birkin bags and the environmental impact of frequent private jet use.

Amy Phillips ([09:16]): “At first, I was like, okay, another kind of Vicki Gondolson was like another bitch I gotta like... Are we still obsessed with Birkins as a rich person? Can we move on from that?”

However, a pivotal moment occurs when Stephanie reprimands Lisa for being late, likening her to a "school marm." This confrontation shifts Amy’s perspective, leading her to support Stephanie wholeheartedly.

Ronnie Karam ([10:16]): “Do you think your time is more important than mine? Do you think your time is better than Alt's? I thought that was so great.”

The Narcissism Retreat: Daniel’s Role

The episode features a self-help retreat led by Daniel, a self-help expert portrayed with a mix of sincerity and satire. Daniel introduces exercises aimed at addressing narcissistic behaviors among the housewives, which becomes a central theme in the episode.

Ronnie Karam ([17:32]): “Never try to defend yourself against a narcissist because they already know you're right.”

The hosts and Amy humorously critique Daniel’s methods, noting his rapid-fire delivery and the somewhat superficial nature of the exercises.

Amy Phillips ([18:04]): “She can read as fast as she can talk.”

Character Dynamics and Conflicts

The interaction between Larsa and Lisa is a focal point, with Larsa receiving the majority of "red flags" for her behaviors. The hosts highlight Larsa's tendency to dominate conversations and play the victim, while praising Lisa for her understated yet impactful responses.

Ronnie Karam ([50:57]): “You can’t have a burger without the...”

Amy Phillips ([51:02]): “I feel like Larsa is always advertising her issues, isn't she?”

Key Moments and Highlights

1. The Mirror Quotes Exercise ([18:39] - [30:00]): Daniel presents narcissism-related quotes on mirrors, prompting the housewives to reflect (both literally and figuratively) on their behaviors. The segment is rife with humorous impersonations and exaggerated reactions, showcasing each character’s unique personality traits.

2. Larsa’s Public Outburst ([66:07] - [69:35]): Larsa confronts Lisa about personal issues, leading to a heated exchange that underscores the deep-seated tensions within the group. The interaction is both cringe-worthy and entertaining, highlighting the show's signature dramatic flair.

3. Montage of Larsa’s Antics ([71:28] - [73:20]): A montage recalls Larsa’s various controversial actions throughout the season, reinforcing her role as a central antagonist. The hosts commend the show's editing for effectively building Larsa’s character as the epitome of narcissistic behavior.

Insights and Conclusions

Throughout the episode, Ben, Ronnie, and Amy blend sharp wit with genuine analysis, providing listeners with both laughs and thoughtful commentary. Amy’s transition from initial skepticism to strong support of Stephanie adds depth to the discussion, illustrating how character developments can shift viewer alliances.

Ronnie Karam ([36:08]): “She was, like, happy to apologize. That way she can, like, be in good like...”

The hosts conclude by emphasizing the ongoing nature of the drama, signaling that future episodes will continue to unravel the complex relationships and power struggles within the Miami housewives’ circle.

Ben Mandelker ([77:02]): “Congratulations. You’ve reached the end of part one of a two-part recap.”

Final Thoughts

"Watch What Crappens" successfully captures the essence of "The Real Housewives of Miami" Season 7 Episode 6, offering listeners an engaging and humorous breakdown of the episode's key events and dynamics. With the added perspective of Amy Phillips, the discussion is both entertaining for longtime fans and accessible to newcomers seeking to understand the latest Bravo drama.

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Notable Quotes:

• Ben Mandelker ([03:11]): “Hello, Amy, how are you?”
• Amy Phillips ([09:16]): “At first, I was like, okay, another kind of Vicki Gondolson was like another bitch I gotta like...”
• Ronnie Karam ([10:16]): “Do you think your time is more important than mine?”
• Ronnie Karam ([17:32]): “Never try to defend yourself against a narcissist because they already know you're right.”
• Amy Phillips ([18:04]): “She can read as fast as she can talk.”
• Ronnie Karam ([50:57]): “You can’t have a burger without the...”
• Amy Phillips ([51:02]): “I feel like Larsa is always advertising her issues, isn't she?”
• Ben Mandelker ([77:02]): “Congratulations. You’ve reached the end of part one of a two-part recap.”

This structured summary provides a comprehensive overview of the episode, capturing the key discussions, character analyses, and humorous interactions that define the "Watch What Crappens" podcast’s take on "The Real Housewives of Miami."

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[Amy Phillips]

Hello. I'm great. It's so nice to see you again.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, it's great to have you here, especially because today we're doing Real Housewives of Miami and you have a pink neon sign behind you which feels very Miami. It is, yeah. You clearly are you broadcasting from Miami beach right now? South Beach.

[Amy Phillips]

I am. I'm in South Beach. I just, I took Stephanie's private jet because I had some dogs to pick up. So I went ahead and she was able to pick me up in Santa Clarita. Mia. And Danny and I. Danny. Yeah, we left here. Now we're in, you know, Miami and we're going to be remote this week.

[Ronnie Karam]

Great. I'm so happy to hear that. I'm so glad that you found a proper Miami themed set for your Miami visit.

[Amy Phillips]

Thank you. You know, and I've got my shirt on as well. That's, that's popping some. I feel like Miami colors, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, you're smart. I am also wearing stripes. We're both wearing stripes. You are wearing Miami colors. I am wearing just a random like, like, like navy and white sort of nautical look.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, it is nautical. I Love it. I love a nautical look. Yeah, you're such a.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I'm a naughty cow. Fortunately, the cow doesn't really make sense. Part of it. This is actually, if you're looking at it, it's. This is one of the first T shirts I ever made for myself.

[Amy Phillips]

We know that. Your originals.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, this is when I was first started to sew. And you can tell because you can see this crazy white line that's around the collar.

[Amy Phillips]

Can't see it from here. Oh, I see it now. Well, you're pointing it out. I mean, you're stretching the material. It looks so good. I was gonna mention that the collar is such great style. I love the style of the collar. And you created that. Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Well, you know what? I. I like to think that when I'm not podcasting, I'm innovating fashion. So thank you for recognizing my hard work over here.

[Amy Phillips]

You're welcome.

[Ronnie Karam]

Please. And please, please tell the people in Miami.

[Amy Phillips]

I just get really emotional when we talk about your work and like people's work and just like working and stuff. You know, it's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. You are like Stephanie Shojayi who just loves work.

[Amy Phillips]

Shojay Massoud.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know. Is that how you say her last name?

[Amy Phillips]

Well, no, you're right. I don't know. His name is Massoud. I don't know how to pronounce her last name, so I think you're right on that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, let's call her Steph S. Steph S. I have to say I have since we recorded last week, I have had your Gina voice in my head and I've been laughing at intermittent times of you doing that, like, escalating Gina voice. It is my favorite. So I really recommend, in case you missed it, everyone go back and listen to the Orange county season premiere just to hear Amy's in person Nation of Gina, which was so, so, so funny.

[Amy Phillips]

And I apologize if it hurts your ears and please just, you know, it. It. I. I think I tailor it down a little bit towards the middle just so as a respectable, you know, voice on, not my podcast. So I just want to make sure I'm not hurting your listeners ears.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sterling, listen, these are crap. As listeners, they've had to endure all my weird noises for years and years.

[Amy Phillips]

I love your lips.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't you worry. You are in a safe space.

[Amy Phillips]

That's so many followers. I got like so many people. They're so nice. Like, I don. I've anytime I've been welcomed into the Krappens universe, everyone Just really is embrace. Very embracing. So thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you are welcome here. And in fact, everyone should go subscribe to Amy's podcast before we dive into this Miami recap. Everyone go subscribe right now. Drama Darling, available on all platforms and follow Amy Phillips on all social media on Instagram. What's your handle on Instagram and Twitter or wherever you are?

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, yeah, E. Amyphillips, you know, and I'm teetering. I'm at, like, 98.8 and I'm teetering. So push me over the edge. Push me over the edge. And that's etamyphill. And then, of course, Drama Darling show is also on Instagram.

[Ronnie Karam]

Great. I am teetering. I'm. I'm teetering in general. Like, no matter what I do, whatever the context, I'm teetering. But I'm. I'm tutoring at 40,000. I'm just trying to hit 50k because I hear that you can get cool influencer things at 1. At 50k, you can, like, make cool videos and stuff. Yeah, that's what I've heard.

[Amy Phillips]

Whoa. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, because. Because last summer I did, like, an influencing video for Quest bars, and it was so much fun. And I was like, I want to do more of these little videos because I just enjoyed making a video. And then I was told, yeah, you basically need more followers. So that's my way of saying, people follow me too.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, let's. Let's stop teetering. Let's get our teats up and let's get some followers.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, let's cross that line. Yours is an easier goal to hit than mine. Mine. I'm actually asking for a solid 10k more. You're just. You just need, like, 2k and then you're.

[Amy Phillips]

We'll see. We'll see. All right, teats up, everybody.

[Ronnie Karam]

Teeth. No more teetering. We want to stand in our truth on the other side of those numbers. So today we are talking Miami. We are not talking. We didn't. I'm not bringing you back for Orange county because Ronnie's going to be back for Orange County. He's finally making his grand return for the Orange county next second episode. What do you think so far about the Miami season before we dive in?

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, I mean, I love. I love Miami. I love it so much. I. I absolutely love Stephanie. I am very much here for her. At first I was like, okay. Another kind of felt like Vicki Gondolson was like another bitch I gotta like. And then also another bitch that's like, keeps talking about her Birkins. I'm like, are we. Are we still obsessed with Birkins as a rich person? Can we move on from that? You're so rich. Do something. Something original. Let's stop with the Birkins. Let's put them in your glass closets with locks and just move on. Get something different to talk about. So I was really put off by her at the beginning about the Birkin. Also, you know, taking the private jet to go pick up the dogs. I was like, does Florida really need that much extra fuel spilled on their heads, like at the beach? But probably not. Probably not. But then she read Lisa in that sprinter van for being late, like a school marm. And I, I am now full steam ahead with Stephanie.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. We are not teetering on her. She's very marm forward. And I loved it. Oh, my God. When she just berated Lisa about being late. Do you think your time is more important than mine? Do you think your time is better than Alt's? I thought that was so great. It was so wonderful. And I was actually a little sad that in this episode she kind of pulled back a little bit. She was like, no, I'm just. I was like, no, live in that state. Keep that. Keep your foot on the pedal. But, you know, Lisa got plenty of. Stephanie didn't even need to do that because she got it from all angles this episode, and it was hilarious. She even got it from a host from a restaurant, which is something we rarely see.

[Amy Phillips]

I know in a restaurant that was. Actually looked pretty empty, except for that lady.

[Ronnie Karam]

They were holding a meditation retreat. I know. Okay, so we're picking up in that sprinter van after Stephanie has just torn a new one into Lisa. By the way, I've not had coffee today, so who knows if I'm even going to be able to. Like, I'm just. I'm just praying those stripes on your.

[Amy Phillips]

Shirt are going to give you all the energy you need. Okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. Just lean into the stripes. Nautical energy. Okay. It's like, you know, stripes. Stripes are the new crystal, okay? They're just gonna give me healing energy.

[Amy Phillips]

Stripes are the new crystals.

[Ronnie Karam]

People are gonna bring stripes to the reunion. Kyle's gonna drop some on the floor. So then. So they are heading down. They head to this place called Villa Toscana, which I guess maybe is an event space, whatever has all these nice gardens and everything. And Daniel, the self help expert is there and he's wearing a little crown. And, you know, because it's. It is as one would expect, a Greek gods and goddesses anti narcissism party, which turned into like 10 of those.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. I just hit the streets the other day in anti narcissism protest. It was really great. A lot of thousands of people turned up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah. Did you make a sign?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, I put. Everyone had flags and they put them all in Lisa's face, her bucket.

[Ronnie Karam]

We, We. I went to that protest as well. Anti narcissism protest. And, yeah, we did. We then shoved all of our. Our signs into like a. When we got rid of them, we just put them in a big box that said Lisa Hochstein.

[Amy Phillips]

Huge.

[Ronnie Karam]

Had her face on the signs. I think we made an impact.

[Amy Phillips]

I think so. I think we're making changes.

[Ronnie Karam]

When Jodie Foster got up on that stage and spoke her truth, I said, yes.

[Amy Phillips]

Everyone here who has been affected by Lisa Hochstein, raise your red flags. I don't know. I think my Jodie Foster and Sheena impression are the same.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm so glad because I didn't even know you had a Jodie Foster impersonation. And you were just ready. You were like, here it comes. It is fun. It is fun when you get put on the spot and have to do a prominent actress impersonation.

[Amy Phillips]

A makeshift prominent.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. Like a Holly Hunter. Like a Holly Hunters. Holly Hunters. I am speaking out today against narcissism and pro Greek culture. We won't let these people destroy us. Down with all the narcs.

[Amy Phillips]

It's incredible how these narcissists, they just try to take us down. And I did a movie with John goodman. I did 1800 movies with John Goodman and he's an excellent narcissist.

[Ronnie Karam]

Which makes sense. That's why he got the role of King Ralph.

[Amy Phillips]

And I am Stretchy Girl in that movie. Incredibles.

[Ronnie Karam]

You might remember me from my feature film Broadcast News, which was where we were broadcasting news about narcissists. That's where I really was turned on about it.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. And also I was in that movie where I was in the desert and I think Nicolas Cage was in it. What was it called again? It was a huge hit. Huge hit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Raising Arizona, but original title was Raising Narcissists.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. And now they're going to actually do a reboot called Raising Larcissists.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're still waiting for the script. It's been in development hell because Larsa wrote it.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, everyone's best friend and she wrote it. It.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wrote like. I, like, wrote like a script. Like, I thought you guys would like to read it. Like, Larsa, Larsa. Larsa. Pitching a Hollywood movie that's a somehow a sequel about Raising Arizona. I can see it.

[Amy Phillips]

I can, too. She's gonna get the platform, she's gonna get the opportunities, and she's gonna come in and she's gonna be like, so glad you're all here. And they're gonna be huge, huge producers, and they're gonna be like, why are we here?

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, yeah, somehow she'll, like, get like, the, like, Spielberg. She'll get Spielberg in the room. She'll get Ron Howard.

[Amy Phillips]

Howard. Yeah, they're there.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're all there. A24 lining up and she's Jurassic park meets.

[Amy Phillips]

Raising Arizona.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, like, it's a couple and they steal a dinosaur, like, and. But it's like, not their fault because, like, if you don't want the dinosaur stolen, like, why do you even have the dinosaur out there in the first place? You know how Larsa's voice changes from, like, she does. Like, she has her Kardashian voice, but then when she gets mad, her real voice comes out.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

My favorite part about her.

[Amy Phillips]

You're so right. She does. She, like, morphs into the real Larsa.

[Ronnie Karam]

Real Larsa comes out.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's scary. I just saw Sinners, and that was a movie about vampires. And as many people know, because it's like a worldwide hit and I'm just acting like people have never seen it. But it's a movie about vampires and that's like, Larsa's voice is like. She's sweet and seductive when she's asking to be let into the barn, but when you don't let her in, like, her real voice comes out.

[Amy Phillips]

Sorry, everybody. That was shocking. Wait, you need to go back in and do, like, a trigger warning for that.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was about pretty accurate. When Larsa gets mad, she's like, at least I don't think you understand. Let me in, like. So anyway, they're arriving here. We've got Daniel, who is clearly someone that they should turn to for advice on narcissism. Narcissism. Because he's written like, like six koi expressions on a mirror. And so I think that makes him very qualified to deal with these things. Right, Corey?

[Amy Phillips]

Expressions. Yes. And he may have written his blurbs on tick tock. We don't know. Yeah, we don't know. But yeah, he's definitely qualified.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He's written such gems as never try to defend yourself against a narcissist because they already know you're right.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's like, so right. Like, that's like, so right, Like. Or maybe like don't make a snack for a narcissist because they already were hungry and already ate. I'm like, yeah, that's true.

[Amy Phillips]

That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one.

[Ronnie Karam]

That one is very good. That's a very good one.

[Amy Phillips]

Is that Gertie?

[Ronnie Karam]

That was Gertie. That was Gertie. Co signing Gertie. She was co signing.

[Amy Phillips]

Yes. She's so fast. Boy, she went past those mirrors really quickly. She can read as fast as she can talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

She. She really burned through that anti narcissism content. She's like, okay, so nobody gets angry that narcissist being accused of something they did. That's absolutely true. Oh, no one. Never tried to defend yourselves again. The nurses, they already know what they're right. That's actually. That's true too. Never give a banana to a narcissist because they might not need it. That's true too. I. I hate giving. I hate wasting a banana on a narcissist. Okay, which is the next mirror, please?

[Amy Phillips]

Oh my gosh. I've never heard your.

[Ronnie Karam]

Funny.

[Amy Phillips]

Damn. You were killing me last week with your Terry Dubrow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thing. I was like, to me, that's like not. This is so like inside the actor studio. I was like. But the Terry Debro thing was like not even like a. An impersonation that I even thought was like a thing. And you were dying and it was like tickling me so much because it's like Terry Dubrow. Just talk. I don't even remember what I did.

[Amy Phillips]

Good. I can't. It's so good. I like, I've never heard anyone do a Terry Dubrow and it's like perfection. Okay, I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

But anyway, I love this skill set for me.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, what makes you qualified Ben Mandelker for this job? I can do a good Terry Debra impersonation.

[Amy Phillips]

We're gonna pitch a movie and it's going to be starring Terry Dubrow, Larsa Pippin. We'll keep working with the casting, but then, you know, we've got it. I don't know if Heather's gonna make it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Unfortunately, Heather has other obligations. She will be appearing on the reboot of Hot in Cleveland.

[Amy Phillips]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Back to the land. So yeah, they walk in to this garden and there's mirrors everywhere and they all have sort of like memes, kind of anti narcissism quotes on them. Like sayings or phrases, things that make you. Things that you would not remember. What were those cards that people would send, those virtual cards that people would send to each other that were like, very sassy. It was like, it was always like a. It was an image of like a lady in the 50s. And it was always something like, my friend said, where's the wine? And I said, well, I just had lunch. Like, that's what they all card would say.

[Amy Phillips]

Talking about now. Yeah, that, like, older lady who, like, she always has a bunch of bags maybe or something. So I went to the store and got a lot of stuff. So what? You know, it's just like. Yeah, you're right. It's snarky and like, we're like, as women, we're coming into our own of like f you, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. It's like the source of all of Marisol's humor, by the way.

[Amy Phillips]

Also, you are so right. Truly cannot get enough. Frankly, Quite frankly, not enough.

[Ronnie Karam]

When Marisol sits down for her inside the Actors Studio, they're like, marisol, where did you develop your sense of humor? Oh, honey, it was e cards all the way, right?

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, my mother used to send me cards when she didn't want to talk to me. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

They'Re funny. I mean, you know, between going for e cards and trying to get some D, I really learned how to get some comic skills.

[Amy Phillips]

Sometimes I used to just open up the paper and just recappy cartoons.

[Ronnie Karam]

Chocolate, chocolate. Chocolate. Am I right, Ag?

[Amy Phillips]

Arg, Steve.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, man, I would love a cafe reboot. That was just Marisol.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, it was ack. It's ack, not arc.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what it is. But Marisol would say, argh. Yes, Marisol would say, arg.

[Amy Phillips]

I was two in character. That's what it was.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Amy Phillips]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, they're reading all, they're walking around, they're looking at all these mirrors.

[Amy Phillips]

And like one did you notice, was like the Johnny Depp, like, written in blood one from the Amber Heard trials. He was like, we're done. Oh, that's a good one. Johnny Depp. No, but do you remember that from the trial, how he like, he wrote in blood?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he's sorry to take a strange person.

[Amy Phillips]

Anyway, he made it into the Miami recap. Okay. Sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

I would love it. No, not only did he make it, you don't have to apologize. We've already brought Jodie Foster and Holly Hunter into this mix. Bring in all the A listeners.

[Amy Phillips]

Welcome in.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, welcome. So they all are. No one really is very impressed with these mirrors. They're like, oh, okay. Interesting. That's cool. All right. By the way, Adriana is eyeing the. The self help guy. I've already forgotten his name. What was his name?

[Amy Phillips]

Daniel.

[Ronnie Karam]

George Daniel. Because he's hot. So she's like, oh. I mean, the guy's hot. I mean, if it was. If I wasn't with Frenchie, I'd sure be going for Australian tonight. I mean, you're gonna find me down under. I mean, I'd like to play that didgeridoo. I'll put that Joey in my sack, you know. Good day, mate.

[Amy Phillips]

Put that shrimp on my barbie.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's not a knife. This is a knife.

[Amy Phillips]

I'll eat your dingo, baby.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know what that was. That would actually be very helpful because that dingo did a lot of damage. So, you know, it's good that someone would eat the dingo in of terms, and then the dingo would learn revenge. Other dingoes, take note.

[Amy Phillips]

Take note. Dingoes. Read those mirrors. Dingoes.

[Ronnie Karam]

The original narcissist dingo is so narcissistic.

[Amy Phillips]

Narcissistic. There. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Alexia's saying that they like, this party is not about Todd, but, like.

[Amy Phillips]

Sorry, but yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Todd. Remember that episode where she didn't know how to say Todd's name? She's like, todd.

[Amy Phillips]

Toad.

[Ronnie Karam]

Todd.

[Amy Phillips]

Todd. Like, babe, it's called Todd. It's Todd. Just say Todd. Todd.

[Ronnie Karam]

Tod.

[Amy Phillips]

She's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. But she says, this is actually to expose the narcissism. It's really for the other women because they're all a bunch narcissists, which is very true, actually. It's like, really? Right on the money.

[Amy Phillips]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Group 100. So then Daniel, he starts reading a quote. He's like, all right, everyone who wants to. He wants to hear a quote about narcissism. I like to tee up my narcissism quotes because you guys are all narcissists and probably not listening to me.

[Amy Phillips]

A little something like this. Hit it. I'll give you a beer.

[Ronnie Karam]

Good. All right. Thanks. Good. People get tired of being good to ungrateful people. You've been cured. Drop the beat. Drop the narcissism.

[Amy Phillips]

Daniel.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He's so wise. He's so wise. Good people get tired of being good to ungrateful people. Wow. I mean, if this person understands the root of narcissism, like, if he doesn't, then I don't know who would. Because this right here, he has a mastery of a concept.

[Amy Phillips]

It truly is. The words are blending together. I don't even know what it means anymore because they're all so generic. But I'm like, he could say anything to any of these ladies, and they'd be like, yeah, that's true. He's like, oh, narcissism is somebody who likes to give to charities and is selfless in everything they do. Wow, that's so true. That's so true. Gotcha. Gotcha.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. That was, like, really wise. Like, so. So. So then. Then they go, now it's another mirror that says, the problem with being empathetic is that you feel sorry for the people that hurt you. And Gertie's like, oh, my God, that is so true.

[Amy Phillips]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, I absolutely feel that way. And the fact that this is a narcissist theme party says a lot, because obviously, I can't. It's. Cause I. I think that's, like, we have a lot amongst us. We have a lot of narcissists. Okay. And then it cuts to Lisa, and she's the only one looking at these mirrors to look at herself. And everyone else is reading the quotes off of them, and she checking out her hair in the mirror. And I was like, oh, my God, I love this show.

[Amy Phillips]

It's too good. Like, you can't even write something this great. She genuinely was like. I thought I saw her with some Windex, like, wiping off the saying so she could actually see herself better, you know, just a shammy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think she even realized there were words there. She just didn't see anything. She just was looking at her reflection.

[Amy Phillips]

Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

She was like, mulan.

[Amy Phillips]

Mulan. Yes. I love.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Isn't that. That's. Isn't there a song? Isn't that a Christina Aguilera song? Like, what does my reflection say about me? Or something like that?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. Yes, I know what you're saying. I'm picking up what you're laying down.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you.

[Amy Phillips]

It goes something like this. It goes, look in the pond, and you see yourself in the colors of the wind. Wait, we're mixing up Disney movies.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's Holly Hunter doing. Doing Pocahontas. But have you ever seen the. Have you ever seen the. The Wolf Cry to the Blue Corn Moon? Because I have. I live in Montana now. I don't know if she does, but I feel like she probably does 100%. My hunter definitely lives in Wyoming. She's one of those. One of those. One of those celebrities. It's like, yeah, I live in Jackson Hole now.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. I just fly in when I gotta do something for Hollywood. Just, you know.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, every Thursday, I have coffee with Frances McDormand down by the general store because we're normal people, and then we fly to Hollywood to do Hollywood things. But we come back, we're normal people, and we say. We say things like this. Hi, Jan, to the people who are walking by. Because we're just one of the folks.

[Amy Phillips]

That's what we do. We just, you know, go out on our land because we have a lot of land there, and we just, like, live off the land. Sometimes we just set up a bonfire and just have some s'. Mores.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. Read poetry, sing songs by Stephen Schwartz for Pocahontas, one of our favorites.

[Amy Phillips]

Favorites. And when we get our call to come in to Hollywood, we just drop all that. And the next thing I know, I'm in glam. And I'm Holly Hunter, the. The. The actress, the one that didn't say anything for what I got an Oscar for in that movie. I didn't say one word. Piano.

[Ronnie Karam]

Piano. Fun fact. I hate piano. Band for my ranch guitars only.

[Amy Phillips]

And maybe an occasional mandolin.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just like Bruce Hornsby in the range would sing. Mandolin Rain. Great song. Great man.

[Amy Phillips]

John Goodman loves that one.

[Ronnie Karam]

I once made love to Bruce Hornsby in the back of a Margaritaville when I was shooting a schizzle reel for my upcoming reality show called that's Holly.

[Amy Phillips]

It was a sizzle reel, and it was. It's working its way around Hollywood, that sizzle reel. And turns out everyone thought it was Holly Madison. And so they gave it a go, and then they saw it was me when I flew in from Montana, and they said, no, hard no.

[Ronnie Karam]

They replaced me with a younger actress named Tate Addison McCray or something like that. I'm not sure. Wow. Holly has a lot to say.

[Amy Phillips]

A lot. Shut up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shut up already.

[Amy Phillips]

Narcissist.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, Lisa's looking at herself in the mirror to completely missing all this stuff. And then she's also, like, she's found a flower swing, and she's now just having a photo shoot. Like, Marisol's just taking photos of her while everyone is, like, reading stuff about narcissism. Lisa's on there, like, with a finger in her mouth, smiling and being sexy and, like, with the flowers. And she's, like, fully turning it into a. A promotional shoot for her Instagram.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. And I also taking a page out of Lisa Vanderpump's book, you know, like, oh, watch where you're stepping, because you might get an lvp. Cease and desist.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly. You know, please don't bring down Lisa's flower swing brand, because she works very hard for that.

[Amy Phillips]

Extremely. Andy. I was recently scrolling on Instagram and I saw Lisa, another Lisa, on a flowered swing. Oh God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Andy is supposed to fill in the gap when I go to the. You say something now. That's when you're supposed to apologize. That's my ellipses. So another mirror says you don't always have to tell your side of the story time will. And Stephanie's like, oh, that's so me. That is 100% me. Says the woman who has spent the past two episodes telling her side of the story, like every single thing extensively. She's like, you want to hear a story about how my parents met? This is my version of it. Like everything is like that with her.

[Amy Phillips]

So. Right. It's like, is this a date line? Why is. Why are we keep going back to you and why do you have to keep like telling your side? You're so right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everything is like that. So. But Stephanie and Lisa have like a little bit of mo. Like this is where they kind of like make nice and everything. And Stephanie's being like all nice to her. Her. And Lisa's like, you know, like, wow, you, you. You really went in on me on the bus. Like, you know, now you don't want to talk like what's going on here? She's like, oh God. Like, I'm sorry. I just like, I apologize and like I have no, I have no problem apologizing again. I know. I just. It was nice. You know, it's like a weird. Like nothing is really like they. They bury the hatchet but like I think they just don't want to have tension between them.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, that's right. I think so. I mean I think that Stephanie knows that she is new so she does need to keep up appearance in terms of like being nice to all of the. The OGs and Lisa. I've actually found that Lisa Hochstein is pretty forgiving to people a lot. You know, I mean like obviously not with the Larsa and Lisa thing. It has, you know, are. It's like an octopus, you know, it just keeps growing and More legs, more legs. But I do feel like Lisa, if you come to Lis. Lisa with somewhat of an apology, even though it was totally Lisa's fault because she was like hours late. Right. But I do think that peop. She does say like okay, let's move on because I don't think that she really truly wants that more. That many more issues with other people. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

She also like clearly has devastatingly low self esteem and so like I think that she like she's like happy to apologize. That way she can like like be in good like I. I don't think she likes when people don't like her.

[Amy Phillips]

Right, I agree.

[Ronnie Karam]

I. So I think she's, like, happy to, like to, you know, she'll stand up for herself in her own little way, but it's. You know, she's usually going to cave at some point, but notably, I don't. Did she actually apologize for being so late, or did she do that last episode? Because I don't think I see her apologizing.

[Amy Phillips]

Didn't hear it. I just heard her accept.

[Ronnie Karam]

Accept the apology. But that being said, Lisa tells us, like, I definitely do not want to be late with Stephanie again because I don't want to hear that ever again. It's like, well, so it kind of worked.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, yeah, that's right. She said that in her confessional. So we'll see. Time will see.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly. So I think. So they all are sitting on a bench now, I guess. Are they going to. Going to their benches now or they're just at, like, sorry, this is a pre. Bench before they get to the main bench area. Right. Because there's a main bench area where Alexia has, like, a. Has like a throne, I believe.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, yeah, that's right. It had wings. It had, like. It was like an Egyptian tomb. It had an underground water system. Like, it had everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

It felt like. It felt like it was maybe a clue on the latest National Treasure revamp. It's like Nicolas Cage was gonna have to go examine that throne to find out where the next part of the scavenger hunt is.

[Amy Phillips]

Totally.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's a throne in Miami. So. Excuse me. I have a flagrant burp that I was trying to suppress.

[Amy Phillips]

So I burp different flagrants. So flagrant. Flagrant.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's like flagrant narcissism burp. So no. So. So some of the women are sitting on a bench together, and Lars is saying how she's been trying to communicate with Lisa and everything. They have to have a conversation. And. And so Julia's like, yes. I mean, like, Gertie and I, we took time and we had dinner and we talked like two people who are, like, mature, and Gertie, she just starts talking completely over. Why don't you be Julia and I will be Gertie and we'll express how this conversation went.

[Amy Phillips]

Noted.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, you start. You start as Julia.

[Amy Phillips]

Like, Gertie and I, we took time and we had dinner, and we talked.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like we had a dinner. We had a beautiful dinner. Yes, we had a dinner. I mean, I would have liked our dinner to happen sooner, but that's okay. You know, it was. You had a process. It was your process. Wasn't my process. I like to, you know, know, nip things in the bud. But it was you. It was how you decided that you wanted to do it, and that's fine. And you don't have to, you know, you can take a long time. I mean, you hurt me in the process, but it's okay, you know? And, you know, I don't know if you even knew what you were apologizing for, but I knew what I got what I needed and I knew we could move forward. So the most important part is that, you know, you listen to me and she listened to me, and that was what was good. Feelings.

[Amy Phillips]

Dirty.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. It's like a symphony, really. Truly.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, it was two part harmony.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. Like I'm the wind instruments and your percussion and, and, and, and woods.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I was some woodwinds. I was. There was, There was some bassoon happening.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, definitely bassoon. Yeah, for sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, there was some bassoon. Yeah. Gertie just talks completely over Julia now. Julia is still the villain, don't get me wrong. But Julius, Julia's trying to be like, you know, like, you guys have to have conversation. Like, the two of us just had a conversation and, and you know, that was really good. And Gertie is basically like, yeah, we had a conversation. I mean, it took her forever to get to it. Like, you know, even though she was the one who started it, like, took forever. But whatever, we talked about it, everything's good now. And Julia's getting so annoyed that, like, Gertie's talking right over her.

[Amy Phillips]

Honestly, I, I love Gertie so much, but my God, I could not handle. I was appreciated the editors leaving in the over talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Amy Phillips]

Because I just felt it so hard and it really.

[Ronnie Karam]

She.

[Amy Phillips]

She surpasses, I think, most housewives in terms of the over talking. I mean, it is so impressive. But she also over talks when she's just stating things and not yelling, you know, whereas most housewives just like, over talk because they're yelling. But she has the most. Her perseverance and ability to push through the over talking is. I've never seen the likes of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's. It's impressive. She just jumps right in and just goes. And like, doesn't stop. It's like when she starts talking, I don't think she even hears other people. I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing with like, real flagrant over talkers like that. They don't even realize another person is talking because they are so tunnel vision on what they have to say. And she was going. She was going. And Julia sitting there, this look on her face like I'm trying to say something nice right now.

[Amy Phillips]

I know she couldn't. I actually think it's a characteristic of adhd. Although we'll have to ask Adriana because she's already looking at the DMS5, which is nice. But I do think that that is something that can be, you know, a symptom of that condition is when you talk over people. Adhd. Because I was talking with my therapist. Talking over my therapist. Sorry. And she said, you have adhd. Okay. ADHD is going.

[Ronnie Karam]

You haven't. No, I don't want to do this anymore. Adhd, adhd.

[Amy Phillips]

She put all the red flags in my bucket during our virtual therapy session. And I like, was. Was like, wait a minute, what are.

[Ronnie Karam]

All these Seem healthy. Not seem like a healthy practice in.

[Amy Phillips]

The chat is just like a bunch of red flags and buckets in my chat on zoom with her. No, I did take like one of those tests, you know, like an ADHD kind of test type of thing. And there. I actually didn't qualify as somebody who has ADHD entirely. I think I have very, very small, very few traits of that. But the biggest traits are like the over talking somebody. I mean, that is a huge one. Big.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. Is that. That's. That cuts across like genders and everything? Yeah. Wow, that's very interesting. Well, I have to look into that.

[Amy Phillips]

I mean, I'm no therapist.

[Ronnie Karam]

Over, like, do I have adhd?

[Amy Phillips]

No, no, no, you don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't.

[Amy Phillips]

I do.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, if I did. It's fine, it's fine. It's nothing wrong with it.

[Amy Phillips]

We're both like, we stop talking like.

[Ronnie Karam]

We'Re like very, very concerned about talking over each other. And now, Amy, it is your turn to speak in a Holly Hunter voice.

[Amy Phillips]

I'm sorry. You go ahead. No, I'm sorry. Obviously, this podcasting aside, in a regular conversation with someone you know, do you let them talk? Are you talking over people all the time? No, of course not.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I mean, given that there's. There's always going to be a little bit of overlap here and there with everyone, like, etc, and. But that's really interesting. I wonder. I wonder with Gertie. So. But she. Because she just fully just talks right over Julia.

[Amy Phillips]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Amy Phillips]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Now it's time for them to play some Greek games. So they go to the other couch area and this is where we see Adriana Throne. Which makes no sense why she has this giant giant throne. And it is noted by people like for instance Adriana that like isn't it funny that a party about narcissism we have Alexia the host in a giant throne for no good reason.

[Amy Phillips]

No good reason. Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like why is it like this? So they're going to play one of these games, a fun game that is purportedly to help them address narcissism. Although we don't really see what the game plan is on the therapeutic front. Right? It's just like let's pile on to.

[Amy Phillips]

People unbelievably reckless and no structure and no healing and no direction and no actual resolution. No beginning, no middle, no end.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just like air your dirty laundry, right? So everyone Daniel hands out like A red flag to everyone. And he's going to read a statement, and then they're gonna put a red flag in the vase of the person that they feel like it applies to the most. Which I was like, first of all, you had to get a lot of vases. This is a big cast. That's. That's. That's an impressive haul.

[Amy Phillips]

All those vases, especially from Australia, like.

[Ronnie Karam]

A long way, you know, he's rather brought them from home.

[Amy Phillips]

So this is my vase suitcase. I put all my visors in here for the narcissist.

[Ronnie Karam]

This one's from Sydney. Sydney is also the name of my ex boyfriend who is quite the narcissist here.

[Amy Phillips]

I. I always check my mirror bag because I can rip it in bubble wrap, but the vase bag, I always carry that on.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, okay, the first question is or first statement is the person who is constantly talking about themselves. So Marisol. I think Marisol starts it because she goes, oh, that's easy. And then she stands up and she walks so slowly over to the vases. It was kind of like amazing suspense. It was like, what. How is she going to start this off? And she's like, sorry, monkey. And then she drops. Drops the flag in Lisa's vase, and.

[Amy Phillips]

It'S like, oh, I thought there was Tito's in this vase. Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are there cockies in these vases? Cockies. That's. Well, I'll tell you something. I. I also would talk about myself a lot if I were surrounded by such boring. Got that one from an E card, too. So it took me a moment to remember how it was. Went.

[Amy Phillips]

Steve had to remind me this morning because I told him I would say that joke. I would talk more if I could not be a friend of.

[Ronnie Karam]

So basically, everyone puts their. Puts their flags in Lisa's vase. Like, oh, great. Thanks. Thanks a lot, everyone. Mar a landslide.

[Amy Phillips]

She keeps it light.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just like, laughing at Lisa's pain. So Daniel's like, all right, ladies. Lisa had an overwhelming number of 6. Monkey for the win. Monkey for the win. All right, I want to know how you feel about that, Lisa. This. The therapy is about to begin right now. And she's like, well, maybe I tell my problem to the wrong people. I don't know. Maybe that's my theory. It. Maybe I shouldn't be talking about myself to these girls. I don't know.

[Amy Phillips]

I do love Lisa. On defense, she does keep it pretty tight. Like, her comebacks aren't that bad when she's cornered up, when she's, like, ganged up on in this situation, she does kind of fight for herself. I'm. I am pretty impressed. She keeps it nice. She keeps it nice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Much better than. Yeah, nice. She's much better than Larsa because when Lars has to do a comeback, she just usually goes for the most basic words and nouns that she can find and strings them together. And that works in its own weird way. It's like, if you're like, larsa, why are you such a dumb. Why are you such a can of beans? Like, what? You're a stupid can of beans.

[Amy Phillips]

You can't even open the can with a can opener. That's because it's defective can. It's one of those cans that you get at like the dollar store or grocery outlet because it's dented and you can't even open your own can. Can. So can it. What?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that was nice twist at the end. Can it. So Larsa's like, well, you're annoying people talking about yourself. Like you feel like your problems are the biggest ones in the room. Like, Lisa's like, well, I also feel like you blame me for not knowing your problems, but you also don't tell me your problems.

[Amy Phillips]

That was actually shocking. I was like, she doesn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel like Larsa is always advertising her issues, isn't she?

[Amy Phillips]

I don't know. But then when she was like, well, you don't answer your phone. I'm like, oh, that's. That's actually a good point because Lisa doesn't. Maybe she doesn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is so rich. That is so rich that Lisa is like, well, I. Well, you know, you're blaming me for you. Like, you don't. You never talk about your problems. Well, you don't answer the phone when I call you to talk about the problems. Well, I'm mean, I can't be expected to answer the phone.

[Amy Phillips]

Right? Right. I'm too busy being two hours late to things.

[Ronnie Karam]

I gotta hang out with Jod. Like, Lisa goes, I also think you should tell the truth and stop saying lies. And Larsa goes, so you're. The lie detector test doesn't even make sense.

[Amy Phillips]

Doesn't. I was like, did you see the Orange county trailer or something?

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, why that Lisa Vanderpump in a blazer getting a polygraph done.

[Amy Phillips]

That's right. And that too.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Lisa goes. She's like, I have the receipts. Lars goes, baby girl, I am the receipt.

[Amy Phillips]

Okay, I kind of loved that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I loved it too, but it truly made no sense. But I loved the. I love the, the. The. The spirit with how she said it, you know?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, she puts a little. Little twist on it, little sass on it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And her. This is when her real voice is starting to come out. So she's going from like, baby girl, I am the receipt. I am the receipt. And you're like, okay, right.

[Amy Phillips]

She really did get. She started to put a little salt on it, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Lisa. Lisa's response to Baby girl, I am the receipt is. Is that your Halloween costume this year? So we're getting some dwindling returns on our comebacks now, right?

[Amy Phillips]

Because then Larsa has another one too. Try. Go ahead and try to get a dress in your size.

[Ronnie Karam]

That'S much more classic. Larsa. Get a dress in your size. Can of beans. I didn't hear that. Can you repeat that? Can you repeat that? Can you repeat that?

[Amy Phillips]

Ignore, ignore, Ignoring, Ignoring.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ignore. Oh, yeah, you're gonna ignore. Guess what? I don't get receipts because I like the environment. So you are actually killing whales, Larsa. Hi.

[Amy Phillips]

Digital receipts. Sent to my email, not printed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, email. I don't have an email because I have Jody and you don't have anyone.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, yeah, well, yeah, you got an inbox that just won't stop. Right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, at least my box is in. Your box is out.

[Amy Phillips]

I never said that. I never said that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I never said your box was in. Your box isn't in. My box is in. It would go that place. Yeah. Who is the person who is quickest to take offense? It's a little spread out this time. I think everyone kind of like votes for each other, right? And Stephanie. Stephanie picked Lisa, which, you know, because they just had a fight, et cetera. And Daniel's like, all right, everyone. The one that was quick to take offense was Lisa. She got the most with three. Lisa, are you offended by this? Because if you are, sort of proves the point. She's like, oh, this is like a whack game with some whack people. So, yeah, quickest to take offense.

[Amy Phillips]

Whack.

[Ronnie Karam]

Whack. That's a whack game. Actually, it is a whack game. I'm not gonna lie. She's right on that one.

[Amy Phillips]

It's. Yeah, it's terrible. It's terrible. She's right. I can't believe she stayed as long as she did.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. I'm shocked. So Lisa's. Lisa has a little monologue where she's like, no, everybody, by the way, has narcissistic traits, for God's sake. Larsa has a Larsa light. Okay? And we see Larsa at Fashion Week, like, taking selfies with that, like, giant klieg like, that she has attached to her phone.

[Amy Phillips]

Excellent, Edit. Excellent.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then we have. Who takes the whole. Is. Who has the lack of accountability? Who has a lack of accountability? And, you know, it's just more. More pile on for Lisa, etc. But Adriana keeps on picking Marisol for these, which is fun. It's like an attack. Like the friend upstairs. Each other.

[Amy Phillips]

Right. And I'm like, wow, I forgot they even had something because they're so not engaging at all on this series so far. It's just so. I was like, oh, right. They do not like each other.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Adrianna hasn't gotten in trouble yet this season, which is shocking. Normally, she's in the thick of it by now.

[Amy Phillips]

He's in the background. Wow. Just, you know, flirting and talking sexy talk with every second she gets.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, she's in love, I guess, with Frenchie. It's taking away a lot of her energy. You know, it can happen. Be careful. All right, everyone just understand that this is an exercise for everybody to grow and evolve, even though we haven't used any of these questions to try to find growth or evolution. Okay. It's not about attacking each other.

[Amy Phillips]

Excuse me, please. Can I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Amy Phillips]

Ask you a question?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, yes, yes, you may.

[Amy Phillips]

If somebody tells you something, she just starts an aria that was a little.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bit more on tune than she can do. I just want to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right. It's a beautiful note.

[Amy Phillips]

Okay, thank you. I mean, I'm starting to talk like you. Anyway, I lost my. Julia. Okay, here it is. Now, what is your recommendation on how to move forward with someone who you invite on cruise ship that takes this med at Captain Samuel?

[Ronnie Karam]

It. Well, did this person apologize? And are they in this garden with us right now?

[Amy Phillips]

Yes. Posh. Kind of. And I'm looking at her right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are you looking at a statue right now or one of your castmates? I can't tell with your. Your eyes. Right now. I'm having fun.

[Amy Phillips]

It's over there. If you follow my eyes, you can see past Alexia's golden chair.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, my little golden tiara is a little bit heavy. It's just sort of blinding me. Could you just tell me who you're looking at right now?

[Amy Phillips]

Okay, I will sing it for you. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. That's acceptable. Giddy. Oh. All right. So Gertie hurts you. Can you tell me how Gertie hit you? You can sing it if you can't. If. If you catch it, you can Sing it and I'll. I'll be able to tell. I'll be able to heal you of your narcissistic attack.

[Amy Phillips]

Yes. Okay. My accent is really hard to do.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is Daniel.

[Amy Phillips]

Daniel.

[Ronnie Karam]

Would you like me to adopt a Russian accent so you feel more comfortable discussing your issues?

[Amy Phillips]

Yes. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

So tell me about Garrity.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did she hurt you?

[Amy Phillips]

Yes, she.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. I would like to say that. I just want to say that, like, sorry, this is after I was physically assaulted, and there's been, like, a lot of. Just to discuss, so I apologize, but I'm sorry. Thank you very much, Daniel. But there's. There's. There's a bit much discussed. I mean, have you ever heard of a Captain Sandy? I didn't think so. Okay, that's the problem right there. Okay. Until you can watch your blow deck Mediterranean, I don't want to hear you weighing in on our discussion yet. Thank you so much.

[Amy Phillips]

All right, so we heard from Hy. Gertie, and so she feels a. A certain way. And now Julia. Could you sing it? Julia, how. What is your reprie.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry. That is me doing. Warm up. Let me. Let me. This is how I feel. Gerdy is the worst.

[Amy Phillips]

I'm hearing pain in your aria.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lots of pain. Lots and lots of pain.

[Amy Phillips]

I'm also hearing pain. Martina, I'm hearing she's having a hard time too. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. Because she found out that so many people are using surrogates, and it is very offensive to her.

[Amy Phillips]

All right, well, that's just wrong. I'm gonna write it on the mirror over here. Surrogacy fine in Australia, and so she'd be fine with Martina.

[Ronnie Karam]

Martina also said she always hated Australian Open, so I guess. Yes, that all makes sense now.

[Amy Phillips]

Ouch. Ouch. That hurts. That hurts.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, it does hurt. Can I tell you, I also have another problem with someone. Can I tell you about my problem?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's with goat. Goat poop all goat. My God. Poop all over my kitchen. Is my God a narcissist?

[Amy Phillips]

Your God. The God you pry to.

[Ronnie Karam]

It got. Got little goat with diaper.

[Amy Phillips]

Little goat with diaper.

[Ronnie Karam]

Little goat, little goat. I worry go his narcissist.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm concerned.

[Amy Phillips]

We have.

[Ronnie Karam]

How do I save gods?

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, in. In Australia, we have dingoes and diapers and. Yeah, they do. They poop in the kitchen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Amy Phillips]

So what you got to do is you gotta. You gott right in goat poop on mirrors so they can see what they did wrong.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, thank you so much. I think this Will help.

[Amy Phillips]

What is happening? Can we go? Can we. Can we move to the other cast bench now?

[Ronnie Karam]

There's one more question. Okay, here we go. Statement number four. Who plays the victim? Who in this group likes to play the victim? And remember, remember, if you get the most votes, you're not allowed to be the victim of this pile up. It's a trick.

[Amy Phillips]

Oh my God. We're not gonna move forward. This is getting worse and worse.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, there's only one can of beans in this group that I'm gonna vote for. The dented one, if you know what I'm talking about. Receipt coming through.

[Amy Phillips]

Or I got Lisa. Lisa. Do you have anything to say about that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, I'm really upset about this. Okay, can I just say something? Can I say something? You're larsa. You're mad about a photo my boyfriend took with your ex four months ago. That's what this is about.

[Amy Phillips]

Out. I'm not mad at that. We were playing a game. A game? It was duck. Duck.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not a game. You're the narcissist. Larsa. See what I did, everyone? I turned it. She's the Lars of the narcissist now.

[Amy Phillips]

Okay, Lisa, that's not cool.

[Ronnie Karam]

You guys have to move forward. You guys have to move forward. I'm. I'm sorry. You guys have to move forward. It's very important that you guys move forward. I don't want to hear anything. Anything more. Just have to move forward. Please apologize already.

[Amy Phillips]

Anything. I'm praying.

[Ronnie Karam]

Please say that you never texted. Anything. Okay?

[Amy Phillips]

Please yell at women.

[Ronnie Karam]

You need to say that. Your boyfriend shouldn't get at women. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

[Amy Phillips]

I'm not used to men yelling at me.

[Ronnie Karam]

You have to say that you're not used to men yelling at you.

[Amy Phillips]

So cheap.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you had and just say that. Just remind people that Jodi is very, very cheap.

[Amy Phillips]

Go ahead, tell me. I'm. You know what? I'm not lucky. Okay? I'm just not lucky. Okay? Lisa.

[Ronnie Karam]

She'S not lucky. Okay, everyone. I want everyone to know she's just not lucky. Okay? Daniel, are you watching this? Daniel? Daniel. She's not lucky. She's not a lucky person. You know when Britney Spears was singing wasn't about her. She's not lucky.

[Amy Phillips]

Is getting very dark. Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

He'S dark. So anyway, Larson, Lisa are in a full fledged fight and Daniel cannot con. He's trying to control it. He's like negativity is in the Anselites and they just it's like, daniel, Daniel, you're an accessory here. You've done your work, which is you got them to fight. You just have to sit back. And he does. He then just starts to smile and he's like, you know what? This is pretty cool.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah. He embraces it. He's like, I'm out of control. I need to let go of control and just let the housewives do what they do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly. So Larsa is saying, well, actually, sorry, there's. There's. The fight is still. So the fight is. Is really rampaging on. And Lisa says something about Larsa's boobs. What is it?

[Amy Phillips]

She says, yeah, this was so weird. So Lisa starts to kind of threaten Larsa about the things that she could say about her. And so Larsa's like, like, say it. Go ahead and say it. Honey, honey, girl, girl, honey. Okay, girl, honey, baby, say it. And she's like, say it. You told me that Marcus doesn't have it like that. You. You don't want your tits to be down to your knees before you guys get married. Okay. Yeah. Did I really say that? Yeah, you did. No, I didn't. I didn't, I didn't. And then, and then Stephanie and Julia are completely confused context this is in because. And we have no idea as fans. It makes zero sense. I don't know what she's talking about. She's talking about plastic surgery. Is she talking about how Marcus doesn't want to be with her and she needs to keep herself high and tight? And. And that's. Lars is just like, my shit. I don't know what she says. My shit is tight. My. I'm up and tight. Tight and right. Right. And tight is how I do.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm tight. Tight. Everything's tight. Maybe Lisa should stop worrying about my boobs and start worrying about how everyone in the group thinks she's a narcissist. Which is a fair point.

[Amy Phillips]

It's a good point. Even Daniel's like, I agree. It's actually good.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's an evergreen kind of statement. Maybe you should stop thinking about my boobs and about how everyone thinks you're a narcissist. You know? Yeah, so. So Lars is like, you know what I told you? Because now her voice is, you know what I told you? I said I don't need a man. You know? Oh, you know what I told you? I'm independent. Okay. You know what I told you? I'm teaching my kids to be independent. You know what I told you. I don't know what you're doing. You know what I told you. I know what I'm doing. You know what I told you. I'm done. And that's what I told you. And then her voice comes back, it.

[Amy Phillips]

Comes back down, and she will never leave a scene. She will get. She'll go full force. She'll hit her crescendo, she'll come back to down. She's not leaving that. That pit, that symphony pit. She's not gonna leave a scene ever. And good for her. Say she stands on business.

[Ronnie Karam]

She stands on business. Yeah. Stephanie actually stands on business because she loves business. So Lisa. Lisa's like, I know what you're doing. You can throw it, but you can't take it. Oh, yeah. Count the flags. I'm good. I'm good, I'm good. Good.

[Amy Phillips]

Count the flags.

[Ronnie Karam]

Count the flags. Larsa deserves some more flags. I feel like everyone should have been able to give out two flags.

[Amy Phillips]

Absolutely. And that montage was a perfect reminder of why Larsa should have received more flags. The things that she's done in the past were great, you know, for the show and deserves awards such as red flags.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. So Daniel has a new update. By an overwhelming score of 50,000 flags to zero, Lisa has won category four life.

[Amy Phillips]

So.

[Ronnie Karam]

So who here picks Lisa? Alexia, did you pick Leo flag for Lisa? Alexia, would you explain why you chose Lisa, please?

[Amy Phillips]

You do Alexia? Because I like your Alexia.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, well, thank you so much. Thank you for saying that you like my Alexia because, like, I can relate to Lisa, you know, because I'm also going to a very difficult time in my life, but I choose not to play the victim.

[Amy Phillips]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just want to say I don't play the. I don't play the victim. What I do do is I go out to dinner with a whole bunch of gay men, and then I cry and scream in the restaurant and say I want all the narcissists to die, but I don't play the victim.

[Amy Phillips]

So when you invited Lisa here today, did you wanted her not be a. Be a victim because you feel like she's being a victim in her divorce and you're not being a victim in your false.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is absolutely correct. I am absolutely not being a victim. And that's the reason why I had this party. So that way you could understand the narcissism that I've had to deal with with Todd. And it's been a very difficult time for me during this divorce. And now you understand what it's like to stand in the shoes of a star who's dealt with narcissism. But yes, I'm absolutely not the victim at all. Not at all.

[Amy Phillips]

I agree. I co sign. Good point. Alexa. Alexia. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you. Thank you, thank you, Star. This star says thank you to you. Thank you so much, Star.

[Amy Phillips]

And then Lisa, Alexis, chair, thanks everybody. And then Lisa cries and then she leaves as she. Well, she says that Adriana is her safe space and. And starts to cry because Adriana's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

You guys, don't you realize, like, this is a pile up? Like, this is the only. Like, do you guys not realize she lost her dad seven days ago? And I was like, well, that is a fair point.

[Amy Phillips]

It is, it is.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're so. They are savages on this show.

[Amy Phillips]

Truly. I'm surprised Larsa wasn't like, then what are you doing here? Why are you at this retreat? Why are you here reading mirrors when your dad just died? Why?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you should be in Toronto crying.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, you should be in Jody's eyes, crying in his eyes, his two big eyes.

[Ronnie Karam]

You should be doing something sad. Why are you here?

[Amy Phillips]

Something sad. She's like, larsa, you know, there's nothing to do that's sad in Miami. That's why we live here. There's nothing sad in Miami.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everything is fun and wonderful here. And she's like, I was like, literally playing the game, like, and I was not the only one that felt like that, like, okay, because we all felt the same thing. Like, and she was like, well, when we actually tell the truth and how we feel, we get punished. How is this affair? It is like getting pooped on by goat in kitchen.

[Amy Phillips]

And then so cut to the montage of Larsa. Lisa's like, I'm sorry, Larsa has done fucked up shit to all of you guys. And, and here's the montage to prove it.

[Ronnie Karam]

An extended montage of Larsa being heinous. I mean, Larsa is really heinous. She really, she really tops the charts with that one, you know? But that's why it really has to sting when everyone puts your flag in your vase when Larsa is there. Like any time that Larsa is not getting a flag and you get one, you just know. You've really. You should know you've messed up at that point.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, that's. That should be your own little wake up call.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Lisa goes, she goes inside because it's also like a thunderstorm is happening now. So they're all going inside to a brightly lit room. And so Lisa goes to cry. She's like, you know, it's her standard thing. She goes into a restroom, she cries. This won't be the last time it happens this episode. And you know, Marisa's like, well, she got the flag at every single game. I mean, she's a big winner. Winner, winner, monkey dinner. Am I right? Oh, God, I need a khaki. Khaki. But yeah, Lisa's like, I hate these people. Like, I don't wanna. I don't wanna be. I just don't even really enjoy hanging out with this group. I just don't want to be. I don't want to be with these people. I will continue to film with them as long as they keep paying me, though. Absolutely. Yes.

[Amy Phillips]

Right. I thought that was one of the most honest statements I ever heard. When she was like, I actually don't even like hanging out with this group. I was like, thank you for saying that so we all could hear it. I hear you. And so, so. But good on you for sticking with it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, Daniel, after the Larson montage, Daniel is like, all right, everyone, I just want to say thank you for participating tonight. I think the exercises will be positive in the end. Yes, they were. You did a great job, Daniel. You know, your. Your years of being a self help expert really shone through in this moment. Moment where you really help no one at all.

[Amy Phillips]

Did he lose followers? Is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is.

[Amy Phillips]

That's the question.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's. I want to know that he gained. I'm sure he gained followers because he's like a hot guy and he's on tv and that's really.

[Amy Phillips]

Well, all that and editing.

[Ronnie Karam]

I guarantee I haven't. I've actually not looked up his Instagram, but I'm sure he's one of those people that posts like a shirtless photo of himself and then he, like, has like a thirst trap and then the caption is. Is something like, don't give in to narcissism because it will destroy you from the inside out. And it's like, you can't make fun of him for having a thirst trap because he put something serious about narcissism in the. In the caption.

[Amy Phillips]

Yeah, you're absolutely right. He 100% has some glamour shots of him in that flowered swing, I would imagine. And he's like, you know, and shirtless and just in just looking fantastic and just being like, like, swing through life. Swing back at your narcissist. If you. Wait, let me workshop this so you can get there. Okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

You can get there.

[Amy Phillips]

So it's. If you don't jump off the swing of A narcissistic relationship. You'll always be going back and forth. It may look like it's flowers, but it's not. It's too long. I. Yeah. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's. So I found his Instagram. He has 823,000 followers, which is crazy.

[Amy Phillips]

Gosh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He has a book called stop letting everything affect you.

[Amy Phillips]

It said like that. I want you to read the audiobook.

[Ronnie Karam]

Please stop letting everyone. Everything affect you. What is wrong with you? You just can't do this. He actually, shockingly does, so. He doesn't. He does not have any shirtless photos. He has a lot of photos where he looks like he's being interviewed by Diane Sawyer. And he's like a checkerboard. So it's like him and then saying. And then him then saying. So he has things like, the longer you go without something, the more comfortable you are without it. That goes for people, too. I'm trying to maintain.

[Amy Phillips]

I love that.

[Ronnie Karam]

The tone. Stay away from people who expect you to prioritize them, but don't think twice about putting you last.

[Amy Phillips]

Dear Ben Mandelke, I heard your podcast and you're giving my brand the wrong narrative. That's not how I meant it to sound. You're more like a KY cartoon or those greeting cards. I'm more of a sexy, vulnerable, strong sound. Could you go? Could you please. This is a cease and desist from reading my captions.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're ruining the tone of what I'm saying. Okay. It's supposed to say, a wrong partner will find you in peace and leave you in pieces spelled P, I, E, C, E, S. Get it? Because it's peace. And then pieces. A right partner will find you in. In pieces and lead you to peace. So now we go from P C, E to P, A, C. Do you see what's going on there?

[Amy Phillips]

I don't see what I did there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Get this.

[Amy Phillips]

Did you see what I did there? I worked hard on it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here's. Here's a really good saying. Hi, everyone. I need your help picking the COVID for my new book. That was one. That was one of them.

[Amy Phillips]

That reminds me of Craig. Remember when Craig Conover, he was like, one of the only ones. Ones that gave us a say in his book cover. I appreciated that. Remember that? His sewing down south or whatever his book was?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't remember that. Actually. I'm sad. I would have definitely contributed.

[Amy Phillips]

It was during COVID and he had, like three or four different covers, and it was really fun to, like, weigh in. And he went with the one that everybody picked.

[Ronnie Karam]

What was the one that he. What was the name of his book?

[Amy Phillips]

I don't know. That's what was called Pillows. Pillows of Life. I don't know. It was about pillows.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stuck in the pillows Stuck in the Pillows of life.

[Ben Mandelker]

Congratulations. You've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two.

[Ronnie Karam]

Go look for the recap that says part two.

[Ben Mandelker]

See you over there, suckers.

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