#2934 RHOC S19E02 Part 2: Hot Pot, Meet Kettle

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary: Episode #2934 - RHOC S19E02 Part 2: Hot Pot, Meet Kettle

Podcast Information:

• Title: Watch What Crappens
• Hosts/Authors: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam | Wondery
• Description: A daily podcast that revels in all things Bravo and beyond! Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam praise, ridicule, and dissect the Real Housewives, Below Deck, and other Bravo shows with a mix of humor and sharp commentary.
• Episode: #2934 - RHOC S19E02 Part 2: Hot Pot, Meet Kettle
• Release Date: July 18, 2025

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1. Episode Overview

In Episode #2934 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the tumultuous dynamics of "Real Housewives of Orange County" (RHOC) Season 19, Episode 2. Titled "Hot Pot, Meet Kettle," this episode serves as the second part of a two-part recap, primarily focusing on escalating tensions and confrontations among the show's cast members, especially between Gretchen and Tamara.

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2. Reintroduction of Cast Conflicts [03:39 - 07:14]

The episode kicks off with Gretchen making a dramatic entrance, immediately setting the stage for conflict as she approaches Jen's house. Tamara's return after an 11-year hiatus ignites old tensions.

• Gretchen: “I bet he never thought you'd see me again. But here I am in all my glory.” [04:06]

Tamara Mockingly boasts about her unchanged appearance, claiming no plastic surgery, which Ben and Ronnie skeptically challenge.

• Tamara: “She never got married. But like, we are like more in love than we were 18 years ago.” [07:14]

3. Tamara vs. Gretchen: Accusations and Defenses [07:14 - 16:19]

A heated exchange unfolds as Tamara accuses Gretchen of manipulating relationships and creating drama within the group. The conversation highlights past grievances, including accusations of Gretchen contacting Tamara's daughter and spreading rumors about family matters.

• Tamara: “She's evil. She ruined my life.” [16:19]
• Gretchen: “She never got married. But we are like, curtain, Goldie, Han.” [07:14]

Gretchen defends her actions by emphasizing her long-term relationship and pointing out the longevity of other marriages on the show.

• Ben: “Vicky and Don lasted 20 years. Tamara and Simon lasted 13 years. Alexis lasted 15 years.” [08:16]

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4. Use of Social Media and Evidence in Disputes [16:19 - 32:57]

The discussion turns towards the use of social media as a battleground for personal attacks. Tamara claims that Gretchen contacted her daughter, leading to accusations of Gretchen being a manipulative influence.

• Tamara: “Gretchen started communicating with my daughter. That is one of the lowest, most disgusting things you can do.” [32:57]
• Gretchen: “I did not contact your daughter, Tamara. I commented.” [44:10]

Ben and Ronnie dissect the validity of these accusations, questioning the authenticity and intentions behind the alleged interactions.

• Ben: “I've got all the proof, so you can spend your little lies and do your manipulation things like you always do.” [32:24]

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5. Personal Attacks and Apologies [32:57 - 45:55]

The conversation becomes increasingly personal, with Tamara labeling Gretchen as a liar and manipulator, while Gretchen demands accountability for past actions.

• Tamara: “She's a known liar and manipulator.” [20:27]
• Gretchen: “Do you want to take accountability for any of this?” [45:32]

Gretchen criticizes Tamara for holding onto grudges and continuously attacking her over the years, while Tamara dismisses Gretchen's attempts at reconciliation as insincere.

• Ben: “You literally just did it.” [39:33]
• Ronnie: “She’s a aylizer yet, Tamara's the worst who ever been on any of these shows.” [19:22]

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6. Attempt at Reconciliation [46:03 - 47:55]

As tensions peak, Gretchen and Tamara momentarily agree to meet and take accountability, hinting at a potential resolution. However, the atmosphere remains charged as past grievances resurface.

• Gretchen: “So Gretchen comes back with proof.” [45:18]
• Tamara: “I thought we were going to move forward.” [45:55]

Emily's humorous mishap with an egg in her purse serves as a lighthearted interlude amidst the heated exchange.

• Ben: “Emily's cracking an egg in her purse.” [47:55]

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7. Humorous Moments and Light-Hearted Interjections [24:12 - 47:55]

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie intersperse humor to diffuse the intense discussions. Examples include:

• Ronnie: “I would prefer a hot pocket. Oh, wait, I've got one in my purse.” [24:12]
• Ben: “You're still gonna vote for her for mayor right now.” [14:36]

These moments provide comedic relief, balancing the serious tone of the conflicts being discussed.

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8. Conclusion

The episode concludes with unresolved tensions between Gretchen and Tamara, leaving listeners anticipating further developments in future episodes. Ben and Ronnie wrap up with their signature humor, emphasizing the ongoing drama within RHOC and hinting at more revelations to come.

• Ben: “So Gretchen comes back and is ready to take on Tamara.” [46:44]
• Ronnie: “Gretchen's like, it's the same old camera. Same old pony and dance.” [46:53]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Gretchen: “I bet he never thought you'd see me again. But here I am in all my glory.” [04:06]
• Tamara: “She's evil. She ruined my life.” [16:19]
• Ben: “Vicky and Don lasted 20 years. Tamara and Simon lasted 13 years. Alexis lasted 15 years.” [08:16]
• Tamara: “She's a known liar and manipulator.” [20:27]
• Gretchen: “Do you want to take accountability for any of this?” [45:32]
• Ronnie: “Tamara's the worst who ever been on any of these shows.” [19:22]
• Gretchen: “I did not contact your daughter, Tamara. I commented.” [44:10]
• Ben: “You literally just did it.” [39:33]

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Final Thoughts

Episode #2934 of Watch What Crappens offers a deep dive into the enduring and escalating conflicts among the RHOC cast members. Through sharp analysis, humor, and engaging discussions, Ben and Ronnie provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the intricate relationships and drama that define the Real Housewives franchise. Whether you're a long-time fan or new to the series, this episode captures the essence of Bravo's reality TV allure.

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[Ben]

So then, speak of the.

[Gretchen]

Speak of the devil. However, however, however.

[Ben]

Here comes Gretchen strolling up to Jen's house.

[Tamara]

I bet he never thought you'd see me again. But here I am in all my glory. It's been 11 years since I've been sitting on this chair and I would say I look like I've been frozen in time, right?

[Gretchen]

No plastic surgery. Not even these suckers.

[Ronnie]

Gretchen, nobody believes that. Do you? Do you believe it?

[Ben]

Well, my first thought was she's definitely had plastic surgery. But now I'm thinking that maybe she's not had plastic surgery. She just had injections and things like that.

[Ronnie]

Oh, maybe she looks great, whatever you're doing. But I don't know because they show that. They show a montage of her face. You know, it's like new face, new face. And she does have the same exact face. So I mean, she really does. You have to. Plastic surgery, right? God doesn't love anybody that. I mean, don't tell me the Prayer works that well because I'll have to start going to church, and it's still Revelations month.

[Ben]

I think that she probably's had injections. She probably got her teeth fixed a little bit or whatever. You know, when. When you change your teeth, it does actually change your face a bit. So I know.

[Ronnie]

I watch the McBe dynasty.

[Ben]

I'm so sorry. So. So Jen is like. She's like, yeah, I met.

[Gretchen]

I met Gretchen when I'm still going through so much of Tamara. So let's lead into Gretchen's DMs, and all I had to say was, Tamara, SOS. And I got a call right away.

[Ben]

So, I mean, obviously, by the way, everyone slides into everyone's DMs.

[Ronnie]

That's.

[Ben]

That's the lesson here. And as I pointed out last week on the episode, for all this talk about, like, I can't believe you're talking to the bloggers and the podcasters. Tamara is part of that ecosystem. She is part of it, and she's contributing to it. Let's not forget that.

[Ronnie]

Yes. And, yeah, didn't she just have, like, a thing where she was accused of running reality blurb or something like that? And then she had a big fit on. She had a big fit about it. I mean, I don't. She was threatening to sue people, and then people were deleting stuff, and she was getting in all sorts of blogger wars this past year. So Gretchen tells us.

[Tamara]

She's like, yeah, you know, whenever there's a new housewife on this show, they all call me. Talk about Tamara because Tamara's a monster. She's evil.

[Ben]

She really. I mean, this really is like George R.R. martin of some.

[Gretchen]

There's.

[Ben]

This is some. This is some bullshit. Like, I'm just imagining Gretchen as, like, the elder in, like, she lives in a tree, a giant tree, and they have to come up to her, like, at the bow down, and, like, make an offering. And they're like, please, please, wise Gretchen.

[Gretchen]

Goddess, please tell us, how do we. How do we go up against tama? It takes a special hero, a generational hero that can do it. May the blessings of Newport beach be with you.

[Ben]

They're escorted out of the tree.

[Ronnie]

Oh. So they catch up on kids, and Gretchen is like, oh, yeah, Skyler has chickens at school.

[Tamara]

She, like, loves chickens, you guys. They call her the Chicken Whisper.

[Ronnie]

Her.

[Ben]

And her daughter is five and a half and rides dirt bikes, and they're gonna build a coupe. So, yeah, don't like, Lena onto the show because that could be bad news. So Gretchen is Like Sleet and I never got married.

[Gretchen]

But like we are like more in love than we were like 18 years ago. We. What was it like? We're like, curtain, Goldie, Han. Right. The irony of these women saying, claiming.

[Tamara]

That they have a fake.

[Gretchen]

We have a fake relationship when all those women have gotten divorced since then.

[Ben]

So then we see flashbacks of Skep, Gretchen and Slade, skeptics like Vicky. And then we see the Vicky and don lasso from 94 to 2014. Tamara, she and Simon lasted from 98 to 2011. And Alexis, 2003 to 2018 with Jim. It's a fair point. It's a funny point. But I also want to point out Vicky and Brooke, Vicki and, and Don lasted 20 years. Tamara and Simon lasted 13 years. Alexis lasted 15 years. I hate to break it to you, babe, you're at the 12 year mark. You're right in the danger zone. That's true. Like, yes, you have lasted. And I have to say that does take away some skepticism, but also like, I don't know, you are, you have, you're not out of the clear just yet.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I agree with you. And also this didn't really exonerate Gretchen because she's like, yeah, you know, like.

[Tamara]

Vicki even said stuff.

[Ronnie]

And then they show Vicki. And Vicki's like, well, you know, I'm just saying that, you know, your whole engagement, having a helicopter and a song. I mean you, you just obviously did that for tv. And it's like Vicky divorced from Dom. Yeah, but Vicky was correct. They never got married. That was a fake engagement for tv. So I don't know what you think you're proving with this, but not much. Still fun to have you back.

[Ben]

Yeah. So Jen, Jen saying.

[Gretchen]

Yeah, well, I mean the other day they were just like coming for Katie. They're saying like, you're unsafe, you're coming for a families, you're dangerous. Which makes zero sense.

[Ben]

And Jen's saying, that's just so frustrating that Katie.

[Tamara]

What are they shots? What are they, vaccines?

[Gretchen]

What, what are they? Masks?

[Ronnie]

So it's like, you know, it's just like, it's just so frustrating. It's just so frustrating that Katie is held to this different standard than all the other girls. You know, I mean, it comes back to the fact that these girls are afraid of Katie. They're afraid of her. They are so scared of her. And I just want to tell those girls, thank you for having me to lunch. Thank you so much.

[Gretchen]

It's just such so nice to be wonderful, delicious food.

[Ben]

Slade's like, Gretan's, like, I don't really want to have a relationship with this woman. And they goes, I mean, you're talking about Captain Evil. Okay, Slade.

[Ronnie]

Still. Still in comedy, I see.

[Ben]

All right, let's just have. Just have another coup d' day and just mind your own business.

[Ronnie]

So now we go back to Heather, and Tamara's like, well, you know, the.

[Tamara]

Real problem here is Jen. Cause Jen's reaching out to people. They don't like me because she's insecure. You know, when I met Jen, she wanted my boobs. Now she's got my boobs. And then she got a house two doors down for me. Then she wanted my nostrils, and boom, she's got two nostrils on her. And then she lived by Simon. And then she started going to Dr. Ambe. And then we went to the same hair. Hair salon. And she said, I want to look like a crazy, crazy lady with bleach burnt hair. And now she looks like a crazy hair stalker. She's stalking me. Everybody wants to be me.

[Gretchen]

I went to Vons the other day, and I was like, hey, where'd the Lean Cuisine go? They said, Jen just bought the last one. She's stealing my Lean Cuisines.

[Ronnie]

She said that she literally went to the hair salon and had her old hair extensions put in her head. Tamara, no one is going to ask to get you sandpaper put back on their head. I saw those. Don't pretend that those didn't just expire the second they were taken off. Those were. Things were taken off your head, and they turned to dust and fell to the ground.

[Ben]

Tamara thinks she's making a case for single white female when all she's doing is making a case for how generic her life is that someone could copy it so easily.

[Ronnie]

Well, especially in Orange County. I mean, we both spent quite a bit of time in Orange county over our lives. You all look like that. You literally all look like that. You can't say that someone comes and gets boobs and, you know, Botox and bleaches their hair more. And they're trying to be you. They're trying to fit in in Orange county, for Christ's sake.

[Ben]

Yeah. Tamara thinking that she somehow is like a. Like a beacon of individuality down there.

[Gretchen]

Like, look at me. She wanted. I have blonde hair. Now someone else has blonde hair in Orange County.

[Ben]

It's like, wow, congratulations. You all go to the same.

[Tamara]

She's even doing workout videos with her husband.

[Ronnie]

Like, literally every thin person does that. Every. Every blonde, thin, married person does that.

[Ben]

But, okay, yeah, we've Been watching these rituals since 2005, when Laguna beach first arrived. Okay, there is. You got. None of you are doing anything original down there. Okay? They literally went back to the same BMW dealership that Kristen Cavallari got her car from in high school. Yeah, last week.

[Ronnie]

I mean, if anything, that Jen was the first one to work out in a parking lot. And then you lost your gym and now you're left working out in the parking lot. It seems like you might be stalking her.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then Tammy's like, what's next?

[Gretchen]

Let me guess. You and Ryan are gonna start doing fitness videos together.

[Ben]

She's saying this as if it's like, no one has ever done that ever before on social media. Especially not two fitness minded people.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she's literally a fitness place owner. So yeah, she's gonna do fitness.

[Ben]

You can't. Like, I can't believe that two people you met at a gym are now going off and doing gym content.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then she pulls out her phone.

[Tamara]

She'S like, oh, yeah, well, look at her. Because this is her when I met her.

[Ronnie]

And I was expecting it to look like, I don't know, Heather. No, no, I was expecting it to look like. Like Agatha from Agatha all along. You know what I mean? Like someone totally different. Or like Roseanne in that movie where she was Meryl Streep, stole her husband, she devil. Yeah, I was expecting it to be that, but it just looks like her. And Heather's like, she doesn't look that different. She's.

[Tamara]

Oh, come on. Her lips look like hot dogs now.

[Ronnie]

And Heather's like, oh, well, okay, well, good point. But that's okay. Everyone has hot dog lips. We live in Orange County.

[Ben]

Was like, okay, well, guess.

[Gretchen]

Look at this. Here's a full body one when she.

[Ben]

Was a few pounds heavier. And Heather's like, oh, my God, don't show that to me. Do not show a single soul that person ever again. That photo was cursed. She had a few extra pounds on her and no one should see that ever again. Burn it. Burn it in the fireplace. I'm gonna pour champagne on it. Iconically. Don't tell Eddie. I'm gonna. I'm gonna destroy it.

[Ronnie]

It is such a Heather response, though. She's like, oh, my God. Well, I mean, what I meant was, that's okay. She looks different.

[Tamara]

Good for her.

[Ronnie]

Good for her. God, she's come a long way. Shouldn't we be celebrating this? What do I do in this situation? I'm disgusted. Did I bring onion rings over here, please? Don't tell Jen. There are onion rings here burst down the door.

[Ben]

I can't believe Jen was heavy at one point. And it's like, by the way, also, like, them being like she was heavy. And she's just. She had, like, 10 extra pounds on her, I think, wow, wow, look at her back then. Godzilla, am I right?

[Ronnie]

And also Tamara sitting here trying to diss this woman. And then she's.

[Tamara]

Now look at her.

[Ronnie]

And it shows Jen with a fucking Barbie body looking amazing in a bikini. Like, leaning up against the thing. I'm like, are you supposed to be dissing her right now? Because you're.

[Ben]

You're.

[Ronnie]

I kind of want to vote for her for mayor right now.

[Ben]

Well, she's implying that, like, Jen wanted to get in shape because I was in shape.

[Gretchen]

Like, she saw me and she realized she could be in shape someday.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

As if everyone in Orange county didn't also look like that, too. Or try to look like that.

[Ronnie]

You're like the rainbow of implants and diets. Okay, Tamara, you do. You did it. You changed the. You changed the future for many children.

[Ben]

Heather's like, I don't know if Jen is trying to become Tamara. I mean, I would think there's far more interesting people to emulate. And I thought she's like, oh, probably. Like, I was. In my mind, I was thinking, like, we're gonna do a bit now about Heather would think that she'd be a good one to emulate. But then Heather literally goes, hello, I'm sorry, Tamra, but last time I checked, Jane leaves was copying my hairstyle. I guess we're not going to talk about that.

[Ronnie]

So then we go back to Jen's and Gretchen's like, well, is there a.

[Tamara]

Way forward with Tamara?

[Ronnie]

And Jen's like, well, you know, I've just. I've just seen too much. I don't know. But you know what? Can I support a healthy relationship? Sure, I can support that. And Gretchen's like, well, I still get.

[Tamara]

Messages about what she's saying about me on a podcast. It's not very nice.

[Ronnie]

And so she tells us that two years ago, Slade's son passed away from brain cancer. And there are all these articles calling Slade a deadbeat dad because of Tamara. And now she's on her podcast calling him a deadbeat dad the second he died. Tamara's. And we hear a clip from the podcast of Tamara being like, oh, yeah.

[Tamara]

But I heard that the wife still had to start a GoFundMe because Slade wouldn't even pay for the funeral.

[Gretchen]

Sleet has never been a deadbeat dad, and he just lost his son. And if you can't have a soul in that moment, then you don't have a soul. Sorry.

[Ben]

I'm like, did you just meet Tamara? That soul. That soul is gone. That soul is long gone.

[Ronnie]

That soul.

[Ben]

That is. That is someone walking barefoot, because there are no souls happening there. So Gretchen, she's like, hence Gretchen's saying.

[Gretchen]

That Heather said that you have. That you have to have grace on Tamara because she's going through a lot because of what yet he's going through. And I said, both people in our lives are passed from cancer. So my late fiance and her son.

[Ben]

So she brings up Jeff from her season one, which, by the way, Tamara definitely did not have grace on Gretchen season one of the show, because that's where that famous reunion happened, where it was like the first where Tamara came in gangbusters on Gretchen. We'd never seen anything like that on a review.

[Gretchen]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Why didn't they ever bring on the person who called Tamara late at night to tell her about Gretchen? I would like to know why they really dropped the ball on that, those producers. Yeah. Really happened in the first place. I don't know.

[Ronnie]

I don't know. So one way to find out. We're dredging up old stuff, so you never know what we're gonna find out this season.

[Ben]

So Tamara's telling Heather said, by the.

[Gretchen]

Way, does Gretchen remember contacting my daughter?

[Ben]

And so then we see that, like, Sydney had posted something that said, like, the reason I don't live with my mother is because it's not because of my dad. It's because she is mentally and verbally abusive and not a mother to me. And Tamara is saying that, like, Gretchen.

[Gretchen]

Started communicating with her. That that is one of the lowest, most disgusting things you can do is involve somebody else's child.

[Ronnie]

Oh, really?

[Ben]

Meanwhile, isn't it funny if I remember correctly, was it last season, Tamara telling.

[Gretchen]

Emily, by the way, Katie's daughter, she was saying this about your kids.

[Tamara]

Bye.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Or going to Brianna to talk about Brooks or whatever. She. I mean, she's done this for years. Give me a break. And also, she's like, so what? We find out about what really happened later. But I remember that post that Sydney made, that Facebook post. It was like a page long. It was really long. And she read Tamra for Filth on that post. I will never forget it. Like, to me, that's like my Mark Twain. Like, I have it. I have it on a bookshelf. It's like, that's. I have the monologues from these shows in books somewhere, but that was a classic. So she's trying to make it sound like, oh, and so Gretchen betrayed to befriend her. Whatever.

[Ben]

So Gretchen did leave a comment. She left a comment.

[Ronnie]

You have no idea how your brave words are helping so many who have been wronged by your mother's manipulation and lies as well.

[Ben]

Now I'm gonna say this. I don't think Gretchen should have left that comment. I think Gretchen should have just, like, let that be. It's like, don't. Don't get involved with a kid's messy Facebook post. Just keep on living your life. So, like, for sure, Gretchen was being messy in that moment, but maybe she thought at that also, like, well, I'm done with the show. Who cares? Let me be petty.

[Ronnie]

Good for Gretchen being petty. Tamara's the worst. Tamara is the worst who ever been on any of these shows. She is, like, the blueprint for the worst. So I support it.

[Ben]

So Heather's like, well, when I joined this group, you guys were friends, and Wendy Malik had a career. But aside from that, what would be cool is if you guys can put some aside and just have some fun. And Tamara's like, well, you'll see.

[Gretchen]

But if you want. If you want to dwell on something for 12 years, yeah, I ain't doing it.

[Ben]

I'm like, you literally just did it. And you. I mean, you were just harping on Jen copying your bangs. For crying out loud. You're a dweller. Okay, Europe.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And Heather's like, yeah, we shouldn't dwell on things from the past. You know, I certainly don't want to remember the time when people were calling Wendy Malik Wendy Bolick.

[Ben]

I hope she and Nancy Travis are having fun somewhere doing the things that out of work actresses do.

[Ronnie]

Uno, anyone?

[Ben]

That's the number of roles Wendy Malik is up for these days.

[Ronnie]

So Gretchen's like, oh, yeah.

[Tamara]

I hear rumblings that she's trying to be a new person and she's going to therapy. Well, I hope she changes. I knew, but she's a known liar and manipulator.

[Ben]

Ryan's like, facts.

[Gretchen]

When's it gonna stop? Stop?

[Ronnie]

Gretchen's here to get retribution, and I love it. She's like, ready? We gather.

[Tamara]

Gather, my people. We shall make our signs. We shall stop traffic.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Katie]

Is the worst day of Abby's life. The 17 year old cradles her newborn son in her arms.

[Gretchen]

They all saw how much I loved him. They didn't have to take him from me.

[Katie]

Between 1945 and the early 1970s, families shipped their pregnant teenage daughters to maternity homes and forced them to secretly place their babies for adoption in hidden corners across America. It's still happening. My parents had me locked up in the Godparent home against my will.

[Ben]

They worked with them to to manipulate me and to steal my son away from me.

[Katie]

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[Shannon]

Imagine falling in love with someone who understands you completely. Who's there at 3am when you can't sleep. Who never judges, never tires, never leaves.

[Gretchen]

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[Shannon]

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[Gretchen]

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[Shannon]

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[Ben]

Now it's time for the hot pot. So Emily's in glam. She goes like, hey, glam person, you want to come to the hot Pocket? She's like, hot, hot.

[Ronnie]

I would prefer a hot pocket. Oh, wait, I've got one in my purse.

[Ben]

Then let me see Gina talking to Travis.

[Gretchen]

So I'm going to a hot pot, and I feel mad. I think the reason why I've got problems is because she really hurt my best friend, and I can't keep my mouth shut.

[Ronnie]

Travis is like, oh, did you just learn this about yourself? So then Tamara's getting glam. They're basically, like, stuccoing her face, giving her a paint job. They're caulking her her. They're talking her.

[Tamara]

And Tamara's like, well, questions coming, everybody, but I'm at your energy. If she wants to be nice, I'll be nice. She wants to apologize. I apologize. She wants to mess with some of these children after her child, limb from limb. Bring it out.

[Ben]

So then we see Jen and Gretchen in. In their SUV heading to lunch. And Jen's like, well, there's always this.

[Gretchen]

Like, looming feel feeling of Tamara. Like, do you think she'll. Do you think you want to talk today? And Gar's like, well, there's actually a Bible verse about this. Since my favorite Bible verse, it goes like this. The Lord will fight for you. You need only to be still, girl.

[Ronnie]

That's how people get run over. Shut up with that favorite.

[Ben]

No one's being still on the show either, by the way. Let's be honest. Yeah, no one's being still except for their faces.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then we go to a restaurant called Nice to meet you for hot pot. And Emily is.

[Ben]

This is the last time. This is the last day that restaurant was called that it changed his name promptly after a called to please stay away. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Please don't return. So Emily gets there first, so she's stuck with Katie. She's like, oh, well, this is awkward. I want to sit at the end, so I'm not going to be by you. I am at the end, though, so you can sit opposite me, and you'd still be at the end. No, the other. I just want to be at the other end. I don't want to be by you.

[Ben]

Gina walks in, and she's excited because this is a hot pot place. So they have, like, hot pots embedded into the tables. It's like. Like, you know, you can have, like, hot, bubbling water in the table.

[Gretchen]

And she's like, oh, my God, I actually love this. You have a swimming pool in the table. Like, that's awesome. Like, a little private Jacuzzi we can cook our food in.

[Ronnie]

You know what?

[Tamara]

This really, really improved the purchase price of this table.

[Gretchen]

Well, everyone, I'd like to announce that Sophie is home. She's lost five pounds, and she is going to a bachelorette party because her generation still believes in love. But they did break up.

[Ben]

Her and her boyfriend did break up.

[Gretchen]

So that's too bad. And if you want to laugh, I'm not gonna tell her.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then they do some cheers with Saki, and Jen and Gretchen arrive hand in hand, arm in arm, like, we're team nap team that me and you against the world. So Gretchen comes in.

[Tamara]

She's like, hi, Tamara. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

Hi.

[Tamara]

How are you? Maybe I should reintroduce myself. Hi, Gretchen. I'm your worst nightmare.

[Gretchen]

This definitely feels like a Tamora tactic. Pretend everything is great and then, like, make everyone laugh and then right before she strikes.

[Ben]

Which is true. So Emily is saying how she met Gretchen at her 40th birthday back in 2016. And my friendship with Tamara did suffer when I. I was friendly with Gretchen because I didn't know that there was a beef between the two of them. Well, we worked through it, though, and I'm not gonna make that mistake again.

[Ronnie]

You're such an ass kisser, Emily. Everybody knew there was a beef between them. And you're such an ass kisser that you're still gonna kiss Tamara's ass all these years later instead of thinking for yourself. You were such a follower. How are these people still on the show? At least Gina's being entertaining.

[Ben]

Yeah. So Emily basically ditched her friendship with Gretchen so that way she could get in with Tamara instead and is not gonna go back, which is really kind of. So then Tamara is like, oh, my God.

[Gretchen]

You want to hear a funny story? Heather did something totally relatable.

[Ben]

Oh, yes. Everyone gather round. Television's Picture it. Television's Heather Dubrow walks into the servants quarters somewhere in Orange County. Is it Tustin? Is it San Clemente? Who knows? It's not the rich part. She walks in with an expensive bottle of champagne, and to show that she's relatable, she opens it up too fast, which is understandable because normally there are people that she employs to do this for her, and it gets all over an IKEA tabletop. It is hilarious. End of scene.

[Ronnie]

We all remember what happened with the espresso martinis. Am I right.

[Ben]

Drake? Did you see that scene? No.

[Ronnie]

So they have to get sauces and stuff. So some people start getting up from the table. It's like Jen and Katie, that group. And so Heather's like, do we all have to get up? Can I just stay with the people with money still? Okay, I'm going to stay here.

[Ben]

Excuse me, where is the bell? So that way a poor person can bring me items from that bookcase over there.

[Ronnie]

Thank you. I'm sorry, is there an Alfredo who works here? Could you just send him over to my table?

[Tamara]

That would be great.

[Ben]

Did they receive the flatware that I sent over to the restaurant ahead of time?

[Ronnie]

So Shannon is with Shannon's, you know, looking at the food, and she goes, oh, Gina, there's a ball combination.

[Tamara]

Oh, oh, did I make a ball joke? I just did, everybody.

[Gretchen]

It's funny. It's funny. You know, being on. Being on Love Hotel, I. You know, I just. I'm a funny, funny person now. People sometimes call me Shania Papaya. You can use that if you want.

[Ben]

So Katie's like. She's like, well, everyone, I appreciate you all coming, and I want to start fresh. I think a lot of things happened last year that I'm regretful for, and I just want to be better.

[Gretchen]

You know what? I do appreciate the fact that you say you have a regret, because now everything you do. I'm just questioning mentioning it. Like, this thing between you and Tamra and this blogger, I mean, it's not.

[Tamara]

Oh, well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm a good person again, everybody. I go to therapy now. So Katie came to my house, and she explained everything, and she owned up to it.

[Ronnie]

And Katie's like, okay, everybody, I did call her Instagram. So I was kind of lying, but technically I wasn't, because I didn't call her through a phone number. I called her through her Instagram. Instagram. So it's very different.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. And you know what I said to this person? I said, tamara's. You know, shoot.

[Gretchen]

This person was saying, tamara's trying to sue me.

[Ben]

And I said, this is not good, because Tamara is emotional. She's a monster. She'll take you down if she wants to. My words, not hers.

[Gretchen]

And, you know, you've got to take down that post.

[Ben]

You have to do this.

[Gretchen]

I was trying to save her, you know? Thank you for being goddess with me. Thank you.

[Tamara]

Yeah, but it's still upsetting to me because you don't even remember an entire conversation with this person. That created a huge problem here. Like, how does that even happen?

[Ronnie]

And. And she goes.

[Tamara]

And also for you, Shannon. Honestly, Shannon, sorry. I'm really upset with you, too, because, like, at the Golden Door, you were.

[Ronnie]

Totally making it like, we're ganging up on Kitty.

[Tamara]

And, you know, I was just trying to get to the bottom all of these.

[Gretchen]

So it's. It's. It's not about the subject matter. It's about every single person at the table going after one person. Okay, One person. You can't do that. Yeah.

[Tamara]

I mean, you're making it like we're.

[Ronnie]

Bullying her, and we're not bullying her.

[Tamara]

She's done things to all of us, including you, including me. Like, she ruined my life. Does anybody remember she, like, ruined it.

[Ronnie]

It was hard.

[Tamara]

It was really bad. I felt really bad.

[Gretchen]

You know what? Tamara just told me last year that she recorded you at a gallery shoot and then sent the video to Alexis. Yeah.

[Ben]

So here goes Gina. First of all, Gina distorted the story. Tamara said that she recorded it, and then she showed Alexis. I'm assuming a man, like, right there. I don't know. I don't know what it was, but she says just showed Alexis, but now she's saying that she sent it to Alexis. And also, you don't know the details, and you're spreading gossip that wasn't yours to spread in the first place, and you're being messy, and you don't have all your facts right. And. And she's like, wait, what?

[Gretchen]

Wait, what? What?

[Ronnie]

There is no video that I recorded of Shannon outside of Instagram. So you actually told me? And Gina's like, yeah, this is coming from Tamra. And we all trust Tamara. I mean, Tamara's always honest.

[Gretchen]

You know, me and Alexis and Katie were coming back from a Mother's Day lunch, and we happened to talk about Shannon being nasty to people, and Katie brought it up, and she told me the whole story. Alexis said, I already heard it and it was left there. Never thought about it again until recently.

[Ben]

And then she smirks. You're so crafty.

[Ronnie]

It's so funny. And it works so well. I mean, why isn't Shannon, like, okay, well, that was an embarrassing moment for me when I lost my shit. Instead, it's just Shannon falls right for it, you know? She's like, okay, I hate Katie now. So Tamara's like, well, evidently, you were.

[Tamara]

On the phone with somebody, Katie.

[Ronnie]

And she goes, yeah, I was on the phone with my business partners. And, Shannon, you came in and you were screaming. And I recorded on a voice note, and I sent it to Matt, my husband. And she goes, oh, Katie, why. Why would you speak to Alexis when I'm in active litigation with her fiance?

[Gretchen]

Are you kidding?

[Ronnie]

Why am I drowning, breathing into this paper bag?

[Tamara]

That's a hot pot.

[Gretchen]

It's very hot. It's very, very hot. Are you. Are you kidding me? Katie was sitting right next to me in Sonoma, seeing how distraught I was.

[Ben]

Now she's recording me, and then we see footage of her in that bathrobe at that spa place, being like, I.

[Gretchen]

I, I, John Jansen. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

[Ben]

So Katie's like. She's like, no one has listened to what to that except my husband. And no one's like, but why would Alexis know about it? And Katie's like, like, well, we discussed it with Alexis. I mean, Emily, were you not listening to the story that Tamara just said that three of them were talking about it together after coming back from some dinner or whatever? Like, that's. I don't know.

[Gretchen]

Honestly, I don't even think it's a.

[Ben]

Big deal that Alexis already knew about it. Like, I mean, it's shitty if Katie sends her the video. But also, don't act crazy.

[Gretchen]

Don't act crazy in a group setting.

[Ben]

And then be surprised when someone has taken a video of you.

[Ronnie]

Well, but it's also another thing they're all mad at. That never came to fruition. You know, it's like, last year. Oh, well, Shannon dug up all this dirt about Gina throwing her husband down the stairs or whatever. That. That was a big thing last year. Yeah, but Shannon never used that information. So why are you guys using it against her? Like, if she had gotten that information and used it against you, that would be one thing. So, like, if Katie took this information, she gave it to Alexis, Alexis showed up to court with these videos of you acting erratic. Okay, you can be mad, but this wasn't even used. So. So if she did videotape it and she had bad intent, she decided not to go through with her bad intent. So doesn't that make her a good person?

[Ben]

I don't know. I don't know. I think it's just. I think it's ridiculous. I think Tamara has played everyone like a fiddle here, and they don't realize it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Tamara's like, but now Katie's dragging Jen into It. So Katie goes, well, we discussed it with Alexis and points at Jen. And Jen goes, wait, we. She goes, yeah, you know, remember when we sat at that drink things? And Jen's like, no, I mean, I've never. I don't know. I've never heard any of this. And Gina's like, yes, you did. You did know about it. She was. No, I didn't. And Heather's like, she just said you were there, Jen. She just said you were there. Are you. This.

[Gretchen]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much for highlighting that for me. I just don't know why Katie's doing this. It's just not fair. And I really wish my friend would start answering for herself so I'll answer for her.

[Ben]

So Katie's like, look, we were talking to an investor, and I was upset that I had to jump off the call, and I was telling Matt, this is what's going on right now.

[Gretchen]

No, you weren't calling Matt to say what's going on. You were saying you could listen verbatim.

[Ben]

It's like, yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie]

We're also acting like an asshole when she's on a business call at work. So, yeah.

[Ben]

Yeah, you know what? So Katie tells us. At the time, I was pissed. It was supposed to be a fun day for all of us, and instead we had to hear Shannon yelling. I'm like, I kind of wish Katie just actually said that.

[Ronnie]

Like, me too.

[Ben]

It's supposed to be a fun day, and you ruined it. And I recorded it to show Matt. To show you melting down. And we were laughing.

[Ronnie]

She needs to stop being so weak in these situations and kowtowing to everybody and saying, yeah, I recorded it because you were acting so fucking ridiculous. I had to show my husband how ridiculous you get because he never believed me. And, yes, acting like a psycho. And I showed it to him. I'm sorry, but. And I laughed like a psycho. I never gave this to Alexis. This was never used against you in court. What are you being so dramatic about? If anything, you should apologize to all of us for ruining our day again.

[Ben]

I actually feel like this is a moment where she could have learned something from someone who's similarly new, like Bronwyn. Because I think Bronwyn would have actually said all those things. She would have been like, actually, I was listening and I was making fun of you because you were acting like an idiot. And my husband and I have a relationship where we make fun of people who act like idiots.

[Gretchen]

Anything else?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Katie. But instead, to Shannon, she just apologizes, right? And then Gretchen's like, wait a minute.

[Tamara]

How did you know Emily?

[Ronnie]

And Emily's like, tamra told me. So Gretchen's just like, oh, my God.

[Tamara]

Of course, Tamara is always the one holding the information.

[Ronnie]

Like, of course it's Tamara again. So she goes, okay, so Tamara, you talked with Alexis. Then why did that even get brought up?

[Tamara]

And she's like, because obviously Alexis and Shannon don't get along. And she said, I heard she was freaking out at the green screen. And she was like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I need a step away. I need to step up.

[Ronnie]

There are sauces over there.

[Gretchen]

There are sauces I need to process. I just learned that some of these celery pieces are not organic. So I'm going to go now.

[Ben]

So then, well, she stepped away, and Shannon's talking to Heather, and she's like, I am floored.

[Gretchen]

I am. We have to cook for ourselves. Did you know this?

[Ben]

I am also upset. This is what servants are for.

[Gretchen]

Do you understand what it feels like to video you when you. When I don't remember what I said, do you know what it's like?

[Ben]

Well, it's. Here's what I'll say. What is unconscionable that someone would video me and it wouldn't go into my IMDb. I mean, what's even the point?

[Tamara]

Oh, my God, Shannon, you were unconscionable. No, it's not what you think it means. Just be quiet, Gina.

[Ronnie]

So Gina's like, katie, we're not trying.

[Tamara]

To hurt you, so there's no need to try and hurt us in that way.

[Ben]

You know what? I did some up, and I regret doing that. You know what I miss the most? Talking and laughing and hanging with Gina.

[Gretchen]

Gina's like, oh, my God. Thank you for saying that, you know, because, like, you know what, Katie? That's why I hold on to. Because I genuinely liked you, which is why I threw you under the bus.

[Ronnie]

Last year and again today.

[Tamara]

So she's like, yeah, okay, thank you for the apology. I like you again. We're friends.

[Ronnie]

And Shannon's like, I have.

[Tamara]

I have reached my limit. And I think the best thing for.

[Ronnie]

Me to do is to remove myself and scream at some producers in the parking lot.

[Tamara]

So excuse me, I will be processing. Do not videotape this.

[Gretchen]

And furthermore, restaurant. It was not nice to meet you. I gave Katie a gift giving her advice to get to a different place with the women in this group, and this is what she does to me. It is pure evil betrayal.

[Ben]

I'm like, literally the amount of times that Tamara has been so evil to you, Shannon, and, like, over 10 years, and you just took her back over and over and over again. And now here's something that you're finding out through your nemesis, Tamara, who you know is actively trying to hurt you, and you take it on face value, and then you're gonna be like, oh, Katie's the evil one here. I'm also not following.

[Ronnie]

You can't use this, like, oh, you just helped Katie this episode and stood up for her. But this happened a long time, so you can't use the thing you did recently to negate the thing that happened a long time ago. You know what I mean? She didn't take what you just did for her and betray you. That happened a lot. Yeah, there are two different timelines, Shannon. So Jen's like, I thought we were moving forward, but you guys have her ass over the fire. And Emily's like, jenna, she's done things to us that nobody at this table has done to each other. Like gave my information about my kids to a blogger, unlike me, who just went and dug up court documents and anything else I could use to publicly humiliate a woman in an abusive relationship for how she lost her children.

[Ben]

I can't believe you gave information to a podcaster who has a platform that's nicely sized versus me, who dug up stuff on a national level where everyone.

[Ronnie]

Was watching with millions of viewers.

[Ben]

Yes. So then Heather, Katie's like, I did not give them information. Heather starts doing this thing with her finger. She starts, like, circling her finger, like she's going to conjure up like a little tornado in front of her.

[Ronnie]

Yes.

[Ben]

Everyone has done things that other people agree are not okay. For instance, Jean Triple Horn don't like her choices.

[Ronnie]

And Tamara's like, I'll move on. Gretchen, I don't even talk about you. She's, aha.

[Tamara]

A few years ago, you were talking.

[Ronnie]

About me and she was, oh, God, what did I even say?

[Tamara]

She goes, you said slide with a piece of. And he was a deadbeat dad.

[Ronnie]

And Tamara's like, well, was he? Because, I mean, listen, Gretchen, you can stand up for Slade all you want to, and you can get all self righteous about Slade, but I don't remember any of that news back then about Slade and his kid being good. Okay, now was it right for Tamara to go get on Slade the second after his son died? No, that was gross. But the stuff leading up to it, I don't know. I mean, I think that was kind of like Backed up by the wife. Right? I mean, it's not like that was coming out of. I mean, I'm just saying get off your soapbox, Gretchen. Like, get off. Slate is kind of a douchebag, so. Come on.

[Ben]

Slate is a douchebag. He always has been. So Gretchen's like, what's the one.

[Gretchen]

What's one of the first things that comes up on Google when you. When you start Slate Smiley. Yeah, it's that.

[Ben]

And I, of course, then went to Google, and that was. Actually. Did not even show up on any of the results. That. It was not a suggestion at all. I. I don't remember what did show up. I'm just assuming.

[Gretchen]

Douchebag.

[Ben]

Lame. Why is he back with us? But Tamara's like, well, why is she.

[Gretchen]

Still concerned with Slade's debt? Whether Slade's a deadbeat dad or not? It's been 15 years. Who you're trying to. Who are you trying to convince, Gretchen?

[Ronnie]

Slade Smiley, Net worth. Slade Smiley. Kids son and Joe. Net worth 20, 25, son. Grayson, Wikipedia age. And Slade Smiley. Bless you. Bad. That's what.

[Ben]

Thank you. Thank you. I also like Tamara saying, like, why is she concerned with whether or not Slade's a deadbeat dad after? She's just like, well, is he a deadbeat bad dad? And then when Gretchen's like. Wants to defend slay, she's like, wow, why are you so concerned? It's because. It's because you always bring it up, Tamara. That's why.

[Ronnie]

But I like that Gretchen hasn't even been on this show for years and has been rehabbing her image or doing whatever she's doing, and the first thing she does is us come back on the show and remind us that Slade's a deadbeat dad 20 times in a row.

[Ben]

Yeah. Gretchen's like, you're the one who's been proven.

[Gretchen]

Proven to be a liar. You received for being a liar, and you almost got sued again by Ryan. She's okay, but, you know, I did. I misspoke, and I apologize for that batch. John's like, well, thank you so much for that. But a lot of this pain that all of us have felt, it was hard. You're gonna roll your eyes. You're gonna roll your eyes at that. Tamara, thank you so much for rolling your eyes. Shows that you were listening to me.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, because, by the way, her apology was, I misspoke.

[Tamara]

But then she's like, okay, everybody, when I said that Ryan had a lawsuit, I just meant that Ryan maybe's business wasn't. Am I doing this right, everybody? So I don't get sued.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, we all saw that. Tamara. Tamara's so ridiculous. So Tamara's like, oh, yeah, you think Gretchen's crystal clean.

[Tamara]

She contacted my daughter.

[Ben]

Gretchen. Gretchen leans forward with, like a half smile on her face, and she's so calm. And she goes, I did not contact your daughter, Tamra. I commented.

[Gretchen]

It's the same thing.

[Ben]

No, it's not. It's not the same thing. And it was. There was something about her, like, not falling for the bait, not getting activated, not just being like, I know what you're trying to do and you're not going to do it. And Tamara starts to lose her mind.

[Gretchen]

She's like, okay, Eva, you're evil.

[Ben]

She's like, you really want to play this game? Because it's not the same thing. I made a comment on the public Facebook post that your daughter made.

[Gretchen]

My ex husband made that post.

[Ben]

No, this is what you always do. You blame it on someone else. Your daughter even came out after you said that and said, my mother's lying. This is my account. I made the post. I mean, Gretchen was, like, ready. I was just taking her down.

[Ronnie]

She was so ready. They even put the whole quote up there that the daughter said.

[Tamara]

And Tamara goes, that's not true.

[Ronnie]

Which, sorry, but the editors hate you. And yes, it is true.

[Tamara]

And Gretchen's like, yeah, well, that's what she did. And I have all the proof. So you can spend your little lies and do your manipulation things like you always do, because you're a. You're liar beyond liars.

[Ronnie]

So I like that Gretchen came back with proof, but Gretchen did not come back with a better command of language, which also makes it fun.

[Ben]

It was. It was good enough for me because I felt like Gretchen just had Tamara, just like she just had her there. She just had the tractor beam on her and was just destroying her in this moment. And Jen's like, yeah, you feel like.

[Gretchen]

You want to take accountability for any of this? Do you want to take any of this? You want any accountability for this? Tamara, thank you so much for listening to my requests.

[Tamara]

Yeah, I will.

[Gretchen]

I will take accountability for whatever I've done.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Tamara's like, I thought we were going to move forward. And Gretchen's like, what? Why would you think that? And she's like, okay, then we're not moving forward. And she's like, well, I didn't say we could move forward. I just said, why would you think that we could move forward? And Tamara's like, okay, then I don't.

[Tamara]

Have to be around you then.

[Gretchen]

Dispatch has been going out to me for years. 12 years you've been going after me.

[Ben]

Well, who started it?

[Ronnie]

You? I started coming after her for all these years. She hasn't been coming after you. She doesn't have a platform to come after you. You're the one still on your platform talking about her all these years. It's just so funny because Tamara is really, really masterful at twisting and turning. And like, this whole, like, you were. You were communicating with my daughter. The way she made it sound was like, oh, she called my daughter up, became friends with her. Try to. No, she commented on a post. But that's so Tamara and so that she had all of her evidence, and she's just shooting Tamra down. It's very good. I mean, it's good that we're finally seeing a worthy adversary. And I can't believe it's Gretchen, of all people.

[Ben]

Yeah. Because Gretchen's been practicing. She's been waiting.

[Gretchen]

Gretchen's like, it's the same old camera. Same old pony and dance. What's it called again?

[Ben]

They're like dog and pony show.

[Gretchen]

Yeah, same dog and pony show. There you go. I knew there was a involved.

[Ben]

Huh. So Heather's like, you need to talk.

[Gretchen]

Yeah. It seems like there's, like, a lot of her on both sides and like, maybe there's a way to move forward.

[Tamara]

Yeah. I'm the great equalizer.

[Ronnie]

Hey, wait, everybody. Not all is lost. I've got a hard boiled egg in my purse. Wait, it's not hard boiled. It's leaking. Oh, my gosh.

[Ben]

Yeah. The episode ends with Gretchen and Tamara agreeing that they're gonna meet and they're gonna try to both take accountability and move forward. And Emily has. Has cracked an egg in her purse because she thought it was a hard boiled egg that she was gonna take for later, which she thought she's being funny. Plucking the hot pot egg she thought was a hard boiled egg and putting it in her purse like. Like the. That she is.

[Ronnie]

Food in her purse. That's what makes her relatable to the people. So she's gonna keep. She hit. She hit gold with that burrito in her. Or that Subway sandwich in her purse in the steam room. And she's just gonna do it now every five minutes.

[Ben]

I was so happy for that egg that I.

[Ronnie]

It's her Heather Dubrow onion ring.

[Ben]

It is. So that was that. That was the big Gretchen return and the big Ronnie return and the big end of the week. So thanks, everyone for being Here.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Great being back with you. Great being back with all of you guys. We will talk to you next week.

[Tamara]

Bye.

[Ronnie]

Bye.

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