#2938 Below Deck S12E08 Part 2: French Toasted

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary: Episode #2938 Below Deck S12E08 Part 2: French Toasted

Podcast Information:

• Title: Watch What Crappens
• Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
• Platform: Wondery
• Episode: #2938 Below Deck S12E08 Part 2: French Toasted
• Release Date: July 22, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode #2938 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the latest happenings of Bravo’s Below Deck Season 12, Episode 08, titled "French Toasted." This episode serves as a two-part recap, focusing on the intense drama and intricate relationships unfolding on the yacht.

Key Plot Recap

Fraser and Anthony's Conflict

The episode opens with a heated discussion about the fallout between Fraser and Anthony. Fraser is portrayed as the one who fired Anthony for not performing his duties adequately. The hosts highlight Fraser's defensiveness and reluctance to take responsibility, emphasizing his stance:

"At the end of the day, you get no emotion for no emotion." (02:28) — Ronnie Karam

Fraser's inability to admit faults is identified as a significant red flag, leading to his strained relationship with Anthony.

Jess and Sylain’s Tension

Barbara confronts Jess about her feelings towards Sylain. Jess expresses her desire to keep her emotions in check to avoid getting hurt, despite earlier conversations suggesting otherwise. This internal conflict is a focal point of the episode’s drama.

"So basically, Jess is really upset. That's Elaine." (02:40) — Ronnie Karam

Captain’s Comedic Relief

The Captain's attempts at adventurous activities bring a lighter tone to the episode. His use of "Adventure boards" for water activities is mocked humorously by the hosts.

"It's like a 13-year-old probably couldn't do this. Little loser." (06:08) — Hugo

Character Dynamics and Relationships

Rainbow’s Struggles and Emotional Turmoil

Rainbow’s emotional instability is a recurring theme. She grapples with trust issues and her professional responsibilities, often projecting her personal insecurities onto her interactions with the crew.

"Sometimes I just let people, you know, like you, Mr. You know, like I let people do that." (14:07) — Rainbow

Her interactions reveal deep-seated emotional trauma, which affects her ability to form healthy relationships onboard.

Barbara and Jess’s Kiss

A pivotal moment occurs when Jess seeks confirmation of her feelings towards Barbara. The conversation evolves from tentative flirtation to an actual kiss, highlighting the complexities of their friendship and potential romantic undertones.

"So Jess goes up to Barbara, and she's like, 'I want to know, do we have a thing going on?'" (37:36) — Hugo

The hosts dissect this scene, noting the abruptness and the emotional weight it carries within the narrative.

Humor and Highlights

The hosts infuse humor throughout their recap, often poking fun at the exaggerated emotions and melodramatic scenarios typical of Bravo’s reality shows. Notable moments include:

• Anthony’s Meltdown: Anthony's frustration with cooking alone leads to a comedic breakdown, relatable to anyone who has felt unsupported in team settings.

  "I just have to make hot dogs all by myself. Okay, that's fine." (19:07) — Ronnie Karam

• Hosts’ Banter on Relationships: Ben and Ronnie humorously debate the sincerity of character relationships, especially focusing on how characters handle personal conflicts.

  "They make out. And that's the big end." (38:14) — Ronnie Karam

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• "If you've got time to lean, you've got time to clean." (01:36) — Ronnie Karam

• "I feel like some sort of nervous predator." (08:51) — Hugo

• "What’s your best part and your worst part of the season?" (24:21) — Hugo

• "Don't lie about it." (25:07) — Ronnie Karam

Insights and Analysis

Host Perspectives on Authenticity: Ben and Ronnie critique the often-over-the-top drama in Below Deck, questioning the authenticity of character motivations and interactions. They highlight instances where characters might be exaggerating for the camera, impacting the show's credibility.

Emotional Vulnerability vs. Professionalism: The hosts discuss the delicate balance characters must maintain between their personal emotions and professional responsibilities. Rainbow’s inability to compartmentalize her feelings is seen as both a source of drama and a reflection of real-life struggles with mental health.

Character Development: Barbara’s development from a potential antagonist to a respected figure is praised. Her ability to handle Celine with professionalism sets a positive example amidst the chaos.

Conclusions

Episode #2938 of Watch What Crappens offers a comprehensive and entertaining recap of Below Deck Season 12, Episode 08. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam effectively balance humor with insightful commentary, providing listeners with a clear understanding of the episode's key events and character dynamics. Their analysis not only entertains but also prompts listeners to reflect on the complexities of interpersonal relationships depicted in reality TV.

As the episode concludes, the tension among the crew members reaches a boiling point, setting the stage for future drama in upcoming episodes. The hosts leave listeners eagerly anticipating what’s next on Below Deck.

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Transcript

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[TJ Raphael]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that. Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode.

[Hugo]

So Fraser's like, well, chef got fired because he didn't do his job. And enough of this blame game. It was all social media. And then we see tweets coming up that are like, oh, yeah, I love Fraser, but he's doing too much here. The guest didn't complain. The food was good. If it's not broken, don't fix it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And another my favorite was the 100.

[Hugo]

Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, my favorite was the one that said, if you've got time to lean, you got time to clean. Signed Ronnie Caram. I was like, wow, congratulations, Ronnie. You got right in there.

[Hugo]

Yeah. So there's a bunch of tweets that pop up of people being like, oh, my God, I can't believe you fired Anthony. Francer's such a dick. So he's like, I mean, it just bothered me. Why get the finger pointed at me for everything that goes wrong? I did not want want him to go, okay, well, you're lying now. That's a lie. We did watch the season, sir. And he's like. And I wanted him to have a second chance or a firm talking to, you know, I mean, next thing I know, he's packing. Carrie didn't tell me he did that. Okay, Fraser, okay, you played a part in it. But whether or not Anthony deserved that, I would rather Fraser was just stuck with, he didn't do a good job and he was fired. And it's not my job to go save him. I tried to help him, he wouldn't listen. And he got fired. Sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

At the end of the day, you get no emotion for no emotion. And he's not taking responsibility for not doing his job and for being fired. But like, if you can't see your faults, there's a really big red flag.

[Hugo]

So a lot of spoken like someone who's just spent a whole monologue avoiding their own red flags and faults.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so now they finish up at anchor and they're going back to the yacht and Barbara's asking Jess how she feels about Sylain. And Jess is like, it's fine, but I'm going to keep to myself a little bit more because, you know, you know, I don't want to get hurt. No, no, no. So basically, Jess is really upset. That's Elaine. Despite their earlier conversation, Jess is clearly still upset that Celine was kissing Kyle, even though if I do remember the scoreboard, Celine was kissing Kyle first. So if we're gonna play that game, let's play the full game, shall we? Not. So Barbara is like, she's like, I really like Jess, but I'm starting to see her as someone that I care about and I think that there's something there. So. But Soso is my friend, so no trying to go. No, no, no. It's like all of you guys need to just. You guys all need to shut up, do your job. I just don't care about your love rhombus that you've developed.

[Hugo]

So now they're gossiping about Fraser's date and he's like, well, he's a great guy, obviously, and I get along with him, but he's straight. He's a straight boy. And Barbara's like, yes. And straight people say they love you and then they shit in your face.

[Ronnie Karam]

They just poop all over you.

[Hugo]

It's so nice to see Gay Fellowship on this show because usually there's only one, so if there's any. So it's nice to see gay people be able to talk and be like, ah, Straight people, they use us all the time for their. And then they just dump us. Like, I didn't know it was that common.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it is. I think it's very common. Or people experimenting or like, whatever that's, you know, look, I mean, Jojo C. Was with a guy again. Look at her.

[Hugo]

Oh, God. During Gay Pride month.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, look, she may be bisexual.

[Hugo]

Coming out of straight during Pride month is a choice. Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. But there is.

[Hugo]

But good luck to her and her possible baby. Is she pregnant? My niece told me she thought she was pregnant.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's pregnant. Full of sound because she does not speak quietly.

[Hugo]

The ultrasound shows an Extremely tight ponytail that transcends all sexual preference.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God. I'm just trying to see what shows up as a stew on this, this show at some point because I feel like that could reasonably happen. I'm not going to be. I'm not. I feel like it would not be out of the realm of possibilities that Bravo throws some sort of at us like celebrity, celebrity below deck where all the stews are like low level celebrities.

[Hugo]

Like Joe, like Natalie from Facts of Life.

[Ronnie Karam]

It could happen now. And I'm actually kind of looking forward to it now that I actually say it. It doesn't sound like as bad of an idea as you would think, except for the fact that they all may die, but other than that, sounds great.

[Hugo]

Otherwise fine. Well, they can have Chip. Chip and his cousin Chip or whatever the guys are that we never see, the officers we never see.

[Ronnie Karam]

They can take care of Larry.

[Hugo]

Gary, please. Are we supposed to really believe that Solane is taking care of this boat? I don't. No one believes this. So Jojo Siba, everyone's gone out and Celine or gone home. And Celine and Jess are in the boat mess hall or whatever talking and she's like, oh, I think I have salami in my leg. Oh. Oh. You know why I like you? I like you because it is so easy to speak to you like a friend. And that's why you are my best friend. You don't treat me like a children. And Jess is like, well, I like you because I think you're hot and you have tits and an ass and also your bossy.

[Ronnie Karam]

You say, you say that tits ascentits like. Well, I think I just described Barbara, now that I think about it. Oh, I think that is wrong woman. So they go to bed. Next day waking up. Time to pack for the villa. So Rainbow is asking Jess about like the threesome. She's like, how do you find. Hey, what are you thinking about this threesome, this dillian Celine threesome you find yourself in. Look at me. Relating to you. Isn't this fun? And Jess is like, well, honestly, she can do what she wants. I know what she likes, that she likes me. And that's enough. I'm totally not insecure about it whatsoever. I'm not going to engage in any sort of bullshit to make her jealous. Absolutely not.

[Hugo]

Yeah. And then we see Captain while everybody's at the villa. Arriving at the villa, we see Captain on one of those like wave lifter things. What are those things where you fly in the water. He's like, amazing. Nailed it. Mini adventure 13 year old probably couldn't do this. Little loser.

[Ronnie Karam]

Adventure boards. That's what I call them. So there's just more talk. And Fraser and Anthony are talking about a vape. And Anthony makes a comment like, you don't love me anymore. And I'm not happy about that. I'm not that happy about you. And Fraser's like, that's your problem, sweetheart. He's like, I know you don't give a shit about me. And Hugo's like, what's going on? And Fraser's like, all right, I don't know, but we have 11 minutes to get ready for carnival because Anthony's also like, he's in his emotions and he's also drunk. So he like that annoying emotional drunk for the rest of the episode.

[Hugo]

Yeah. And Fraser knows what's coming, so he's already being super like, that's your problem. Whatever. So now it's time for carnival and everybody's getting jock straps picked out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Hugo]

Can I just say, Carnival sounds horrifying. If anybody was like, hey, Ronnie, you want to go somewhere today? Pick out a jock strap?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, A lot of carnival on Bravo lately. We just got through Atlanta going to carnival in Grenada. Now we're in St. Martin Carnival. You know, my brother, I think is going to St. Martin this week or something like that, which is what a. What an exciting real life tie into the show, isn't it, everyone? Okay, so has he seen flow from progressive?

[Hugo]

I hope he watches Flo on the plane to St. Martin. He's like, man, I just saw an amazing movie with real cat sounds.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did you stay for the post credit scene? Because I missed it.

[Hugo]

Okay, so they go party and Kyle is, you know, Rainbow's licking Damo's nipple, trying to be one of the crew, you know, and she makes out with Kyle and dances on Jess. And she's having fun, which is nice to see. She's like, this is amazing. I'm having the best time.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm so happy.

[Hugo]

She's trying so hard. It's like through the face of a nervous predator. Damage like, this is so fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

I am absolutely not triggered by spending an extended amount of time on an island. It's not bringing me back to any sort of childhood trauma. Kyle is just sort of looking around. He's like, oh, I'm looking at some beautiful women. Walk. I ain't bothering to look what's going on behind me because, you know, Selena's like making out with who knows who. I think Damo, she's making out demo now. Selena and Damo. Are making out now. Kyle. It's so funny because everyone's being slutty except for Kyle. And Kyle's the biggest slut on this group. In this group.

[Hugo]

But, but he's in love. He's in love. And that's why he can't do it. He's a one woman man. Yeah, everybody's making out. Which I think is what makes it less dramatic, you know, like, if everybody's just making out, who cares? So yeah, like you can't hurt your feelings. Like if everybody's doing it, you know, if ever. So then we get. What'd you say? I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

If everyone's doing it, get with it.

[Hugo]

Yeah, everybody's doing it. So Celine is talking about her relationship with Dylan because Dylan changed. She changed me because I broke him. I broke him. I saw, well, I did see it. I didn't listen to it, but I saw that someone got Dylan on a podcast or something and was asking him questions about this. And Dylan just shows up in the interview shirtless. I mean, that guy's just such a douche. Who does that?

[Ronnie Karam]

She broke Dylan, but Dylan broke us. Because I swear to God, I was ready to hang it up after, after watching him on tv. I was like, this guy, I can't anymore.

[Hugo]

He's the worst.

[Ronnie Karam]

He is terrible. He shows up shirtless to a podcast.

[Hugo]

Who does that? Just gross.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh my God. So I, I, I'm just thinking about all the cold cuts he's washed off at the time since he's been on tv.

[Hugo]

Sulfites. Sulfites, bro. So then Damo comes over to Kyle and he's like, oh, before anyone else tells you, I just kiss. So, so. And clock that. I clocked that. Don't worry, don't worry. I clocked it. I'm not an idiot, lad. I clocked it. And are you upset? No, no, no. If I was upset, I'd, I turned around and done something about it. But he also doesn't trust his ass anymore. He tells us. He's like, yeah, saw that. Didn't love that. I'm not going to trust that guy anymore. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, okay.

[Hugo]

Well at least finally reaction on this show from somebody.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then demo goes up to Jess and he's like, well, Susan, I just kiss. And Jess is like, oh, well, Barbara and I are going to kiss. She's like, I've decided that's fine because Barbara and I are totally gonna guess we like each other now. Barbara's like, no, excuse me. No, no, no, no. She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just battered. I just battered. I was just baited or whatever. No, we're not gonna kiss.

[Hugo]

Yeah. She's like, oh, yeah. She goes, oh, my God. I was just batted. And Barbara's like, no, no, she's with my best friend, so don't be mad at me. Don't be mad at me. And so Barbara's like, oh, God, Jess is mad at me now. Why? Why are you mad at her? Jess? She's like, I tried to kiss her and she wouldn't kiss me back.

[Ronnie Karam]

So third fall, Barb was like, well, I mean, if she wasn't my best friend, I would kiss you, but she's my best friend, so I cannot. I'm like, I guarantee you that Celine, if it were. If it were turned around, Lane would not give a shit. So go make out with Jess. Go have fun. So then. But then just. And Barbara do start to kiss. And then Fraser's like, there's so much going on. It's sensory overload. And since I know the audience is absolutely obsessed with everything that's happening, let me break it down for you. First, I kissed Demo in the hot tub. Then Celine kissed Kyle, and they were a thing for a moment. And then Jess kissed Celine. And then Celine and Kyle have been secretly kissing. And then Rainbow had a panic attack and was crying, and she kissed her vacuum cleaner. Classic love triangle. And then Damo kissed Elaine, and now Jess kissed Barbara. Things are getting really messy. I'm like, if you have to sell us. If you have to sell us this in the middle of the most slutty moment of the season. It's not working. I'm sorry. I can tell you that.

[Hugo]

Yeah. So then we go to Jess and she's like, oh, I'm still feeling weird about Damon.

[Ronnie Karam]

So.

[Hugo]

So kissing. Maybe I am jealous. Oh, no. But I think you know I don't like to talk about my feelings. Guess who I get it from. Cue the Instagrams. It's from my father. He doesn't show his emotions. Oh, for sake. Is any parent gonna win in this one? Not a one. You all suck. Parents. I hope you're sitting there in your car right now realizing that even if you don't suck now, one day in someone's story, you are the villain. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, my parents are very Afrikaans. They don't feel it. They don't feel emotions. So then Rainbow is. Goes up to Anthony and she's like, chef, what's going on with you? In a phrase, I definitely didn't just sell you out. And she's like, well, I don't know if he's really honest with me. You know, my weakness is I trust people so much. My other weakness, I am not a very good chef. And that was the story of my life. Trusting people and not understanding how to cook hot dogs and also being very upset cooking hot dogs alone. I do not like to cook hot dogs alone. And sometimes I just let people, you know, like you, Mr. You know, like I let people do that.

[Hugo]

Three main problems in my life. One, twisting people. Two, tiny pants. Three, very large hats. Don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

I do not trust people, which is why I keep my enemies close. I keep my friends close, my enemies closer, and my eyebrows very, very close. That's why they're so thin.

[Hugo]

Macroblade, microblade. So he's talking about how when he left St David after getting I was not healthy. Inside and probably outside. Cry every day, stay gone and depress. And Barbie is in my head. She told me. And I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say. I just want to cry.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just want to cry.

[Hugo]

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[Hugo]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Meanwhile, Barbara and he's like, so I was just telling silly I'm sorry that I kissed his ex girlfriend. And she's like what? Well, we were never going to let a girl come between us. And Kyle goes, never like unless we let a girl come between us. So.

[Hugo]

So Barbara doesn't even want to talk about her kiss because it was too fast.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was too fast.

[Hugo]

And I can't even like her because she's my friend, you know, Celine is my friend. So I'm not going to like Jess. So Demo is like, well she shouldn't be concerned about Solene's feelings. I mean she's thinking how should all how's not thinking about anyone else's. So go for it basically. So Anthony is now cooking and he had this big plan of like we're all going to make this family dinner. We all make something we do together. And now he's the only one in the in the kitchen cooking. So now, and now he's wasted and he's spiraling out over his own issues. So now he just starts screaming. He's like, where is everybody? Then what is this like west want or what? What is this, like Westwood? Am I going to get fired from here too? Will I spend day in bed? Quiet? Will I make cry in bed?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I just have to make hot dog all by myself. Okay, that's fine. You know, sometimes as chef is very hard because you don't really feel like you're part of the crew. And I have this feeling from last season, like, I was alone and nobody helps me. And it's a lot of emotion from last season between me and Fraser. And so I have all this anger that I should talk about, and the fact that I keep it inside me grow and grow and grow. At one point, it is going to explode. Like hot dog left in microwave, but this time, hot dog is on grill.

[Hugo]

So Hugo has heard all this. So he goes to Fraser and he's like, oh, Fraser, Chef just went throwing his toys out of the pram. I mean, I came up to him and he said no one was offering to help him. I mean, just so you know, he seems a bit off. I gave him a pamphlet.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I do feel a little bad. I do feel a little bit bad for Anthony because it's like, okay, we're all gonna, like, make dinner together. And then they just, like, all go out and hang out and look at the sunset while he's, like, alone in the corner just turning hot dogs. He's like, hello. He should never have volunteered to cook for everyone. That's his mistake. You should be like, yeah, I'll be.

[Hugo]

Like, guys, who's making what tonight? Something like that. But just. Yeah, no one's gonna follow you.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've definitely been in that position, though. I was actually very recently in that position where it's like, I was like, okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna grill these up for everyone. And then I grilled, and everyone just, like, stayed inside. And you're just, like, alone at the party, just grilling. And you're like, okay, no one wants to be out here with me. But you're like, but I did volunteer for this. I mean, what? Like, I created. I created my own. But, like, at the same time, you're like, doesn't anyone want to spend time with me.

[Hugo]

Alone with my hot dog, just like always? So Damo tries to talk Anthony down from the ledge, and he's like, do you know the saying? Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. And he's like, oh, no. Why would you throw a baby? Don't throw a baby. Do not throw baby. You don't do this to baby. Why are you throwing baby?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know about the bathwater. So Fraser is like, well, he's so. He's upset. He's like, something is, you know, like, what's going on? Rainbow's like, well, he's been talking about last season to me for the last two days straight. He will not shut up. Especially when I go up to him and say, can you tell me more about what happened last season? He will not stop talking about it. So Fraser's like, well, guess what? I'm not living in last season because I cannot do that, even though I'm always saying how last season I won't repeat those mistakes. And. And if he talks to me about it one more time, I will have a problem. So then.

[Hugo]

So he goes in to check on Anthony, and he's like, oh, he's just exploded because Hugo is making view. No one really cares about food. No one cares about it. I throw my hat. I throw my hat. And Fraser is like, okay, but is there more going on? And he's like, yes, I forgive, but I don't forget baby being thrown baby throne and bath. Why? Why do this?

[Ronnie Karam]

What? What do you not forget? Is it. Is it cleaning up? Because you do.

[Hugo]

You.

[Ronnie Karam]

You definitely do forget about doing that often as you seen your galley. And it's like, well, people told me all day that if you're fired, it's because of Fraser. And Fraser's like, I will not do this. That will not. That's not my problem. I didn't get you fucking fired. I merely recommended it.

[Hugo]

He's like, look at Bobby. Bobby saying. He's like, I don't care what she's saying. I don't get you fired. It wasn't working and you laughed. So Fraser's not having it. And he's like, forget. And he goes, you forget that or you forget this.

[Ronnie Karam]

You forget this, buddy.

[Hugo]

Take a good look down and tell me if you're ready to let go of this.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, I know, I know. He's like, I. You're here because I brought you back to ridicule you all over again. I know, because I wanted you back. I did not get you fired. I merely said, this is a terrible chef and everyone's complaining about him. And in case you didn't know this captain, we probably shouldn't have him on board, but I was not the one who said, you're fired. Please don't forget that. I know, I know. But Barbie, it's like what she's saying, like, she overtold Me? You're fired because of Fraser. And like I said, no.

[Hugo]

He's like my best friend Barbie, one more time, you're getting five year old Fraser, zero conversation. Do you understand me? Do you understand?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, but only for one year. And then you talk again after one year. Fine. Two year old Fraser, four years of silence.

[Hugo]

So people are kind of laughing because they're fighting inside. And Fraser's like, Bobby said that I was the sole purpose behind him getting fired. No, she didn't say you were the sole purpose. See, you're twisting things to make yourself correct. Because if you say Barbie said you were the sole purpose and you can say that was a lie. No, she didn't say that. She said you're a reason that he got fired. And you were.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I mean, ultimately Fraser's like, look, I love you. Stop, stop. You're so insecure. I got you. And then they hug and everything is fine. And Fraser is like, yeah, it's like this is all a lie. Okay, so they come back to dinner and everything is fine. Everything is sett. They hyped up this confrontation for five or six episodes. Like, here it comes, the big explosion. As basically Anthony be like, no, but I don't know because Bobby says that you got me five, but I don't even know anymore because there's bathwater that I threw out apparently, versus. No, I never said that. I caught you. Okay. I was like, oh, so it solves the end.

[Hugo]

So now we go to dinner and they're like, let's play rose and thorn. This is bravo. Let's. Do you know what's your best part and your worst part of the season? So Celine goes first, I'm sick. Well, the worst was when I finish work and she asked me to wash all the toilets at 1 o' clock in the morning. And she told me, celine, you finish, you go to bed. And I thought, thank you, goodbye. And Rainbow goes, I never said that though. So I mean, I said check and then go to bed. I never said go to bed. Why are you lying?

[Ronnie Karam]

Why are you? I speak. Yeah.

[Hugo]

And then.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, I speak. Yeah, I speak. Thank you. Okay, I speak. Thank you. Voila. Okay, so she said, maybe before you go to sleep, you're going to go to their heads and do the toilet. And was it like wipe everyone toilet? And I was like, oh, but you told me I can finish. Okay, I speak. Okay, thank you. Voila.

[Hugo]

Don't lie. Don't lie about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

You call me a liar? You call me a liar?

[Hugo]

You're lying. No, not Like, I don't find it very funny. And she's like, well, I don't care. Me, I think it's funny. And I'm not perfect, but Liar. Never. Never liar. And he was like, oh, maybe it's just a miscommunication. Me, you know, you can only move ahead by looking behind. That's not true. Who told you that? That's the dumbest fucking saying I've ever heard. You don't have to look behind you to move forward. You just move forward.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sir, not everything is driving through that fucking small Bridge in St. Martin, okay? Sometimes you can just look ahead.

[Hugo]

So Rainbow, an Uber driver or something where you're in charge of transportation.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Rainbow's face. Rainbow is like. Her face is all contorted because she's about to cry. She's about to burst into tears. She's like, oh, I'm gonna go. So she gets up and they're like, rainbow. It's like, no, no, I just have to go to the bathroom, guys. Like, I'm totally fine. I just have to. It's totally fine. I just have to go to the bathroom. I just have to go to the bathroom. Don't mind me. So she goes off and then she's like, I don't need turmoil. I really. I just. I try to avoid it, but, like, I feel like the other girls, like, take some kind of, like, weird pleasure out of making the other girls feel this way. If I didn't, like, have deep childhood emotional drama, like, I probably wouldn't even care. But I feel like I just grew up in a household. We're were like, not like a thing. It was almost like just as Afrikaans household, but it was like Dutch, which is sort of the same. I mean, I can't wake up in the morning even today. I call my mom. I tell her, like, hey, I'm having a really bad day. I have so much anxiety. I'm like, I can't breathe. I'm, like, really upset. And then my mom will look at me and be like, what am I supposed to do about it? And then she gives me a straw waffle. It's so awkward.

[Hugo]

So, yeah, like, the hurt comes from my mom. I was like, wow, you're the fifth person to blame your mother today. Also, your mom's probably sick of you calling every day crying about some bullshit that somebody doesn't like you at work because you're being an asshole to them. I'm sorry, but, like, some point, you know, it's. You okay? I'm. I already feel for your Mother. I guess that's the point. That's what happens when you just stay old and recap things. You start being on the other person's side. Because I think, like, 10 years ago, I would have been on the completely different side. And now I'm like, team your mom. Shut the up. I can't even believe your mom hasn't blocked your number yet. Because, you know, this girl calls every day with something that she's upset about and triggered.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. We are the same Podcast that is like, brazenly pro Anwar on Next gen New York City. Yeah.

[Hugo]

Give Anwar a spin off. Yes, apparently here. You're stupid.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sir. Rainbow comes back. She's like, I'm totally fine, guys. I just had to say, like, just had to like a diarrhea or something. Like, okay, well, glad you're back. I was close to coming over there. She's like, no, I just have to pee. It's like, totally fine. Like, I pee. I mean, sometimes I pee through my eyes. It looks like tears, but it's really pee. Why are you guys so disturbed?

[Hugo]

It's like, ip. It's IP is because of childhood trauma. It's my mom's fault.

[Ronnie Karam]

He goes like, well, I think that's the most difficult part of the job because you're away from your family. I'm like, have you listened to what everyone's been saying? I think that's why they're in the industry, is to get away from their family.

[Hugo]

Good point. Everybody's here to escape their fucking parents. And he's like, you know, and you deal with people that are different, man. They have different perspectives, and you have to make sense of how to live with them, how to deal with them. And, you know, that's what we get, why we get paid what we do, because we got to figure out how to live together and make sense of it all. Shut up. Who brought this guy to this guy?

[Ronnie Karam]

So now they clean up and Barbara and Jess text about their kiss and like, like, whatever they text. And then Rainbow is like, pulls the lane for a chat. What if I pull you for a chat? You really might type on paper. So Rainbow's like, I'm just like, sad that you feel like what you said happened because literally asked you that evening, I was like, hey, just check the day heads, then go to bed. That's all I said. By the way, what we did not discuss is that the flashback show that she said, guess what? You're done. You are free. You can go to bed. It's all over. No more work for You. And then it's like five minutes later. You know what I forgot? Can you actually wash all the bathrooms? Thanks.

[Hugo]

Sweet Selene.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was.

[Hugo]

That's kind of the most shocking thing to me about this season is that Sylain is not as terrible as you would think. Like, I thought she was just going to be a fucking nightmare. And she's actually at least trying, you know, I mean, I can see the complaints about her and stuff. I don't think that they're wrong, but she keeps getting vindicated. It's kind of funny.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, she's like, yeah, she's like, lazy, but she's right about certain things. And, like, really what Rainbow should have said was, you're right, that was shitty of me. I just had totally forgotten. I felt so bad that I. I told you, go to sleep, and then I made you clean those bathrooms. But, like, yeah, sorry about that, but they had to be done.

[Hugo]

Just, this is yachting, people. She was like, can we have a chat? I'm so sorry that you actually think that that's what happened. Crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm so sorry that the neurons in your brain have led you to think that this was your reality when it wasn't.

[Hugo]

Yeah, you crazy. And Celine's like, oh, you'll change story. I don't want to make story about that. Okay, no big story about it. She's like, but I'm really trying to be super forgiving with you. Like, I'll give you 10 minutes here, extra sleep at night. And you know, you know you're yawning. I mean, it's a big deal. That's a big deal. I never asked you for the extra sleep. Like, Rainbow needs permission to be 10 minutes late to work. Rainbow's gonna be 10 minutes late to work whether or not you tell her she can or not. She's gonna be drinking wine in the Butler pantry all she can. And she's like, but I let you do that, you know? And, you know, I try and I'm trying to be as nice as possible, and here you are yawning at me, you know, And I just. I feel like it's not appreciated. It's not appreciated.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Celine's like, oh, you know your attitude. You're like, oh, I give you 10, I'm so nice to you. I give you time off. Like, oh, so be grateful about it. Which is funny. It's like, you actually should be, because that's your superior. She's like, see, you're speaking to me like that. You know, you think I. I don't care about job working. However, Solene does, I think, have some emotional maturity here in the sense that she picks up on the fact that, like, actually Rainbow is not doing this to be, like, considerate, like, oh, the person, the third steward, the fourth steward, working really hard. I should give her a little bit more time off to rest. Rainbow's doing it to be like, I'm doing this. That way you will like me. Do you like me now? I did all the things that you should like me. And so Solana's picking up on that. She's like, you didn't do it because I needed it. You did it it purely so that way you. You can act like you're not the.

[Hugo]

Bad guy and you can say, I gave you an extra 10 minutes and I did this. You should be grateful. Because it's not that what Rainbow is saying is wrong, really. I mean, Celine needs a lot of direction, but it's just how she says it, you know, it's just her tone is just wrong. She just, yeah, it's like, oh, this attitude, you know, like you. I see. I see you speaking to me like that, you know, you think, I don't care about working. I don't care about my work. I don't like my job. It's what you think. And I don't really care, period. At the end, end, I did it, you know, even if I'm not very happy, I always did it. I always did my job.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, oh, that's where Selena's wrong. That's where Selena is like, selene does not do her job very well necessarily. Last week, there was a whole thing where she was like, well, I don't have to, like, make this look that nice because the guest won't even care. And Rainbow's like, you should as like a pride in, like, your job and whatever. And now she's acting like, oh, like you're saying that that's. I don't even care about my job. I'm like, you literally last week were.

[Hugo]

Like, how come that's true. But wasn't there also a scene this season where she was like, and this was with Barbara, so it's not any gotcha for Rainbow, but where she was arguing with Barbara and she's like, but am I supposed to iron the sheet? And she's like, do you think it needs to be ironed? It doesn't look like it needs to be ironed. She's like, but you tell me to iron, so I need to iron it. She's like, no, you do whatever you think. If you think it needs to be ironed, you think it needs to be ironed. And she's like, okay, but you tell me one minute I have to iron it, and the next minute I don't have to iron it, so. You dummy. And she's like, do you. You know, there was that whole argument where Barbara's like, use your fucking face. Use your eyes. And if you. If it doesn't. Doesn't look like it needs it. So I think in that scene last week, I took it as Rainbow taking that and being like, oh, I don't think we need to do this one. And her being like, yes, we do. We do it every time. And her being like, what the fuck? You ladies are telling me something different every time. But I don't know why that's fair for Rainbow, because I would probably have a nervous breakdown having to work with.

[Ronnie Karam]

With.

[Hugo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, that. That could be true. That could be true. But I think just based on. On the surface of what that. Of that interaction was, it's like Celine would seem like she was trying to cut corners. I mean, Celine does seem like she's a bit. But where Barbara was so Lane.

[Hugo]

I just like her. She makes me laugh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because you don't. No, it's okay, because you don't like Rainbow, so, you know, the enemy of your enemy is your friend. But I think that Barbara knows exactly how to handle Celine, which is like. Like, I'm not gonna try to be your friend if you're gonna, like, you can try to start whatever you want with me. And I'm gonna tell you, just do your job and just do your job. I don't care. If it needs to be iron, then iron it. Like, don't bother me with it. I've got stuff to do. Whereas Rainbow's like, well, I don't know. I mean. I mean, you should just. I mean, iron it. Remember how I told you you should iron it? That's how you should iron. She's just sort of, like, condescending. Whereas Barbara's like, I don't. I'm not gonna deal with your. Do your job.

[Hugo]

Not concerned about looking like a victim. You know what I mean? I think the motivations are different. I think Rainbow is just. She. Everything that comes out of Rainbow's mouth is about being a victim in some way. All of her backstory is about how she's victimized. All of her time off is, like, about how she's so exhausted. She's the only one that works. Everything that comes out of her mouth is that she's a victim of some situation where Barbara's just like it, do your fucking job, you stupid idiot. And then I think Elaine respects that because she's working with someone who's not. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's actually really annoying because I was really looking forward to Barbara and having bickering the whole season, and then they stopped because Barbara earned respect and now they love each other.

[Hugo]

It's nice. It's been a while, I think, since we've had, like, a gang up on the chief stew. Those are always fun. So it's nice to see. It's a nice trope coming back.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's the next morning, people wake.

[Hugo]

Up, oh, no, we haven't finished the scene. So basically, Rainbow just stops fighting. She goes, okay, yeah, okay, whatever. And she gets up and she walks off and she's like, oh, yeah, you lazy. Wanna be famous only to be here on tv. Dumb bitch can't even do the fucking job.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wish she had said that to Solan's face.

[Hugo]

Yeah, me too.

[Ronnie Karam]

That would have been great.

[Hugo]

That's.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what you. You should say. And, like, what does Elaine say to that? No. Voila. Okay, so now it's the next morning, and they're gonna be going to a beach club. And so Fraser is telling Barbara that Jess has a crush on you. And Barbara's like, it's not true. She's like, no, she said she wanted to kiss you. To me, that. And then, like, her and Celine thing isn't going anywhere. And if it's gonna go in somewhere, the only way it's gonna go somewhere is if she kisses you to make Celine jealous. So she wants to kiss you. She's like, no, but so so likes her. She's like, no, well, I'm still in love with Damo, but that's not going anywhere either. Remember America? So here's what happened. Okay? So first Damon and I, we went on a date, and then we also kissed. And then also was like, cut to the next scene. Yeah.

[Hugo]

So then we go to Jess and Rainbow talking about Jess's relationship with so so. And she's like, well, you know, like, when I saw her kiss demo, I thought maybe I like her, but I don't know, you know, maybe I can't even speak with Barbara. Like, I can't have a normal copy conversation every time I speak. Like, she avoids me. And Fraser's like, no, I talk to her. Go work it. Go talk to her. Lesbians forever. Go form a softball team together. Whatever stereotype you need, just go do it. Live free. Live happy. Get a mobile home. I don't care what it is, Just be happy, my little dumpling.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jess is like, no, but I like her. If I try to kiss her, and she's like, no, no. And he's like, oh, no, but I'd be the same. But if you go up to and say, hey, I feel like there's something kind of going on, is there or not? Tell me so I know where to go from here. And then it's done. Don't worry. It'll be fun. It'll be perfect. Nothing bad will ever happen. So Jess goes up to Barbara, and she's like, well, I feel like, obviously Cersei and I have had a thing going on, but I want to know, do we have a thing going on? Real smooth, Jess. Real smooth.

[Hugo]

Yeah, but I like that. I like just some bluntness, because it's so rare, I think, in real life and on these shows. And Barbara's just like, listen, I like you, but I'm not gonna kiss you just because I have a feeling you're doing this because of Silane and you're trying to make her jealous, basically. And so she's like, but I'm not. Even though I just kind of said that that is what I was doing. She's like, well, but we kiss, and then, like, I'm going to my cabin, then you sleep with.

[Ronnie Karam]

So.

[Hugo]

So. So. I mean, come on. And she's like, okay, well, that's true, but I'm gonna move out of my room tonight. And there's nobody else I want to kiss who's within two feet of me, so let's kiss.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is. This is the biggest stream of bullshit. Yeah. There's no one else I want to kiss. I just want to kiss you all of a sudden, out of nowhere. And when we kissed, it was different because you were not. So. So. So it was technically different. And I know we speak about this, the straight girl stuff and whatever, and for me, I think kissing a girl who's also interested in girls makes it a bit more real. So I think we should kiss. And therefore, in conclusion, let's kiss. Fine. Yeah, they make out.

[Hugo]

They make out. And that's the big end.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that's the end. Oh, I didn't realize that was the end of the episode.

[Hugo]

Yeah, we did it.

[Ronnie Karam]

We did.

[Hugo]

Just ended just the same way. All right, everybody. Someone got some poo. Say, all right, everybody. We sure love you guys. We'll see some of you tonight over at Amazon Live and everybody else later on for some McBee dynasty. Okay, talk to you soon. Bye.

[Ronnie Karam]

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