Ronnie Karam (3:32)

Yeah. Shut up. Okay, so we are at the Jersey shore. The Jersey shore at the birthday party for Brooks. And everyone had a wild night at the casino. And so we're waking up and getting breakfast and stuff like that. And Ariana is texting Riley and she's like, morning, I hope you're feeling better. I'm sorry for last night. Are we okay? I love New York. I'm such a New Yorker right now.

Ben Mandelker (4:00)

I am so New Yorky. And like, it was. The last night was just like, not my proudest moment. Like, I never wanted Riley to feel like she had nobody in her corner because you know what she had in her corner? A New Yorker. A new New Yorker. That's me.

Ronnie Karam (4:13)

Yeah. So then Riley, we see a flashback where Riley's like, yeah, I don't appreciate when my friends come into this situation and are like, I heard this one sentence, like, let me have whoever side I agree with. Like, have my back in public and talk to me in private. Okay. But Ariana's like, I'm a shitty friend. I should maybe be about her friend because I love her.

Ben Mandelker (4:35)

And then we have. We go to Gia and Christian and they are making breakfast and making lots of pancakes, which was really nice because now that Love Island USA is over, I realized I've gone through pancake withdrawal. So it's nice to see some Gen X, Gen zers making pancakes again on tv.

Ronnie Karam (4:52)

And Gia says she didn't even know how to make pancakes. And they look good. I have to say, I think I.

Ben Mandelker (4:58)

Thought she was being sarcastic when she said that. She's like, yeah, I Don't know how to make these. I'm sure she's great. I'm telling you, when Joe Giudice was the. Was the. The parent in that household while Therese was in jail, I guarantee Gia was making all those breakfasts.

Ronnie Karam (5:13)

One thing Gianni learned how to do is make some breakfast for a lot of people.

Ben Mandelker (5:17)

Yeah. That's probably why her hand gesture is always like. She's just make like placing a sack of pancakes. She always has her hand flopping down like, these are the pancakes.

Ronnie Karam (5:25)

It's just her intonation. I can never tell what the emotion is when she's saying something. It's always like, yeah, I don't know how to make pancake. I don't know if that's sarcastic, but she could be crying. I don't know.

Ben Mandelker (5:38)

I don't know the difference. So they gather around this table outside, and Brooks is like, thanks, everyone, for making such a beautiful breakfast. I'm so proud that we've all gathered here to eat carbs for the first time. I know it's crazy, but I think we can do it.

Ronnie Karam (5:52)

So can I make it?

Ben Mandelker (5:53)

Thanks, everyone.

Ronnie Karam (5:54)

Thank you all for being here. I love you so much. I love that we're honest with each other. And honestly, I don't like that they call it toast because it really. It's just like a carb, and we shouldn't be engaging.

Ben Mandelker (6:07)

I have to say, by the way, over the weekend, I went to Maryland, and in honor of Amirah, who I really am growing to love Amira, I think she's, like, great, and I love her takes on the show. But in honor of her, I went to Red Robin for the first time ever, and I had my first Red Robin experience.

Ronnie Karam (6:24)

And you like it?

Ben Mandelker (6:25)

It was delicious.

Ronnie Karam (6:26)

Because they've got crazy burgers there. They're like blue cheese, candied apple, and Eminem's burger.

Ben Mandelker (6:32)

I know the birth sounds kind of not. Doesn't sound so bad, actually. There was, like, one burger that was like a queso burger that looked like. It looked like someone dropped a ball of queso on a burger from, like, an airplane. It was just, like, splattered all over. But I got the. I got, like, a mushroom and Swiss burger, which is low key, one of my favorite types of burgers. And I'm sorry. It was. It was lovely. I. The fries were great. Burger was great. It was a good red Robin experience.

Ronnie Karam (6:58)

Yeah. So Brooks is like, I know things can be combative, but at least you guys aren't trying to stop working for your moms. And they're like, yeah, good point. Good point, Brooks. So then we see clips of the drama from the season, and he's like, so Amira's like, riley, what's wrong? What's wrong, Riley? Because Riley's just sitting over there, like, I will not speak. I'm upset. And now you will all ask me why I'm upset. She's doing that. That thing. And so she's like, yeah, I learned my lesson. And Amir was like, about what? She goes, speaking.

Ben Mandelker (7:34)

All right. I was like, I mean, at least I can speak for me, But I always want to hear what you have to say, Riley, So that way we can then make you feel bad about it.

Ronnie Karam (7:40)

And, babe, I don't want you to feel like you can't say anything. Like, I want you to know, like, your voice matters.

Ben Mandelker (7:50)

And.

Ronnie Karam (7:50)

And I honestly think it's just the way you say things. Just like how sometimes I say things. You don't like my approach? It's like the same thing, but without an annoying, whiny voice.

Ben Mandelker (8:03)

Riley's like, well, I understand. I can't be like, oh, I shouldn't have said that. And erases it. Like, I know that doesn't work that way. I know that. But I also feel like I acknowledged what I said. And when Georgia was talking about her idea and you were like, oh, my God, Riley, that's so mean. I was like, well, I just said I shouldn't say it because for those who didn't watch last week's episode, Riley's. Riley was like. She was about to say something, and she goes, oh, no, never mind. I'm not gonna say it. And then everyone's like, no, say it.

Hudson (8:29)

Say it.

Ronnie Karam (8:29)

Say it.

Ben Mandelker (8:29)

And then she said. And they're like, that was mean. And she's like, I told you it was gonna be mean. That's why I wasn't gonna say it.

Ronnie Karam (8:35)

So George is like, yeah, but, like, that was your moment to pause and think, like, oh, my God, like, what I'm about to say is probably too harsh, so maybe I shouldn't say it. And then Amira gets her this look. She gives her the ozempic shaming look because she made an ozempic joke towards Amir last week, and Amira's never gonna let it go.

Ben Mandelker (8:56)

Yeah. Cause Amira's like. Because Georgia is, like, preaching about how you should pause and think about, like, what you're about to say. It probably sounds too harsh when she herself has said some very harsh things. So I was like, well, to be real, I said, well, I thought that me And Georgia were, like, friends. And, like, if you're my friend, I should be able. And my friend said, what do you think about this idea? I would be honest, because I thought we were friends, and we just had a whole nice day where I had to sit there and. And have Miami Vices with you in some shitty hotel, an ocean beach. And Gia's like, okay, well, I think that there's, like, maybe, like, a nicer way to say it. Like, that's all I'm trying to say.

Ronnie Karam (9:30)

Like, there's like, Riley doesn't understand it all. Just being like that is a terrible idea. It's like, I don't. I don't understand how that was bad. She's like, what? How did that hurt? I don't get it. I don't get it. Everybody. So they're like, riley. And Christian's like, yeah. You know, she can talk however she wants. If you don't like it, don't talk to her. And Gia, you just see Gia. See a little. She's like, okay, Christian, carry this later.

Ben Mandelker (9:56)

Christian definitely has the energy of, like, the guy who runs a pizza place in the teen movie whose daughter's going off to prom, and he's gonna give, like, some warm advice, you know, I.

Ronnie Karam (10:07)

Think he has early Joe Giudice energy, because what he just said was basically like, so what? Who cares? So what? Yeah, who cares?

Ben Mandelker (10:14)

Who cares?

Ronnie Karam (10:15)

So what? Come on. So what?

Ben Mandelker (10:16)

So Riley is like. Riley's like, look, if I. If I speak, it's an issue. If I don't speak, it's an issue. So Brooks comes over. He's like, I'm gonna hug you. Mainly because I heard that hugging burns a little more carbs than usual. It's like, okay, fine. So.

Ronnie Karam (10:30)

So Amira and Brooks do a confessional together. And they're like, yeah, Riley really wears her heart on her sleeve. And he's like, yeah, yeah. She always expects people to have her best interests. Yeah. And she's not guarded at all. Yeah. Could you say something else? Not at all. Good job. Good job, Brooks. Yeah. You know, people take advantage, but she's a baby, so it's like, part of growing up, you know?

Ben Mandelker (10:55)

I think we all owe Riley an apology. And she said she didn't want to say it. And they were all saying, say it, say it. And then everyone turns on her. I just think that's, like, not fair. He's like, I completely agree. Can I hug you? I have a few more calories to burn. I was like, it's just, like. It's really Frustrating. But then birds come and they're like, wait, are these birds going to, like, on us if they poop on us? That's, like, disgusting. Like, ew. So they all basically run inside, like, we need to get out of Jersey.

Ronnie Karam (11:21)

They just show Shai running. He's, like, holding a plate of pancakes, and he's like, no. So now they're packing, and Georgia and Charlie are spending some cute time outside with a bong. And she's like, you know, Omar and I are exclusive now. And he's like, that's dope. Like, oh, Sarah was hitting this while you said that. And she's like, we're basically best friends. We're like brothers and sisters, me and Charlie.

Ben Mandelker (11:50)

I'm like, you guys never even resolved your issues. He, like, you guys just had a huge fight before this trip, and now you're just, like, hanging out. And he's like, oh, my God, bongs. Am I right? Aren't drugs hilarious? I'm such a rebel. So she's like, yeah, we have a label. I mean, I've been single, AKA non monogamous, for five years. It's just like, wow. He's like, yeah, I've had a lot of relationships.

Ronnie Karam (12:13)

Really?

Ben Mandelker (12:14)

What, you mean like Lindsay Lohan? It's like, no, Lindsay doesn't count. Really? You weren't in love with Lindsay Lohan? Oh, my God, I love how hilarious we are right now.

Ronnie Karam (12:26)

So she's like, you know what? At the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing. There's still love for Charlie because we, like, have a friendship for a reason. The bong. It's mostly the bong. So then we see proof of this because he offered Georgia his shirt so she could dive in the water for Riley's phone. So, you guys, it's, like, real. It's real.

Ben Mandelker (12:47)

And it only took six weeks for him to get that shirt back.

Ronnie Karam (12:53)

So he loves her, too. They're like brothers and sisters. So he's like, well, congrats for, like, you and Omar. Like, I like him a lot. She goes, yeah, I know. Like, I just, like, want him to talk to you. Like, you guys need a moment. I, like, want you guys to have a moment. I hope it's, like, in front of, like, an artistic display of, like, bowling balls.

Ben Mandelker (13:12)

He's like, yeah, I'm just going to get dinner with him. Like, I'm down to chill with, bro. Yeah, I'm cool like that. So now people are like that. They're going to go. They're. They're heading home to Jersey and They're in there. They're in their SUVs, whatever. But then they, like, stop to. To go to, like, a rest stop or whatever. And everyone is. Everyone's, like, waiting for. Waiting for Brooks. So George is getting, like, really annoyed.

Ronnie Karam (13:39)

Brooks is making gas station nachos, which isn't something I really ever thought I'd see, where you pour the chips into a plastic thing and then put the cheese on top. From the.

Ben Mandelker (13:50)

Yeah, I wouldn't.

Ronnie Karam (13:51)

I think he's a gas station nachos kind of a guy, but.

Ben Mandelker (13:55)

Yeah, I wouldn't think so either. But I'm not gonna lie. I was kind of like, I wouldn't be mad at that.

Ronnie Karam (14:00)

No. Bad. Bad.

Ben Mandelker (14:03)

That's kind of good to me. No, no. Maybe I still have the red Robin queso burger in my mind.

Ronnie Karam (14:08)

Yeah. No, no. Yeah. I bought cheese the other day that I thought was cheddar cheese because it was in the deli section and it was like, fresh cut. You know, when you get it from the deli section and it's. I don't know, it's like, supposed to be better than getting it in the pre wrapped section, I guess. So I brought it home and it was. It says on the label, processed American cheese. What the fuck? What is that? Why are you selling that in the deli section?

Ben Mandelker (14:30)

Well, it's the Valley. What can I say? Sprouts.

Ronnie Karam (14:33)

It was a sprouts. I'm like, you're sprouts to be fancy. What the hell?

Ben Mandelker (14:37)

No. So anyway, there, while Brooks is, like, getting his nachos, the gas station nachos, Georgia's getting restless and she's like, oh, my God, I'm gonna call an Uber. So Georgia and Charlie go get an Uber so they could drive back at roughly the same rate as if they just stayed in their car, but they can spend more money in the process. And Riley's like, oh, my God, they're so dramatic. I mean, this is what I mean. She was so appalled about being called privileged. Anna. Myra is like, georgia, if you stand on the side of the road, someone will pick you up, I promise.

Ronnie Karam (15:13)

Hudson's like, guys, there's a privileged way to go and a non privileged way to go. And they have chosen the privileged way. So Omar has called them a car because of course they're going to mooch it off somebody else. So he calls a car for them, and Kevin is. Kevin's like, oh, my God. Remember when they said that their relationship was irreparable? Yeah. Looks like it's okay now.

Ben Mandelker (15:35)

Oh, it's so irreparable. And Riley is like. I mean, also, she's wearing. Who wears a swimsuit for that long? Like, that cannot be good for the cooch and Mars. Like, definitely not. So they all start talking. I mean, that's great, because it gives them an opportunity to talk. So, you know, Ariana's like, yeah. I mean, she's sitting there so excited about her idea, and then Rally's like, it's a terrible idea. And Mara's like, I mean, honestly, like, where is she getting the money? Like, girl, be for real. I don't think Omar. I mean, you've been dating him for, like, three months. It's. I don't think he's gonna, like, invest like, a million dollars into this.

Ronnie Karam (16:12)

And they're like, well, he said so. She goes, yeah, well, also, he's an alleged scammer, so I don't know how. I don't know how far this is gonna go. You guys google him. Google him. That's all I'm saying. Just Google him. Oh, my God. You make a food comment at this chick, and she's gonna take you down.

Ben Mandelker (16:26)

She's great. I'd love.

Ronnie Karam (16:28)

My God.

Ben Mandelker (16:30)

Clarkett. Who said that? Clarkett. Just predicting that that's gonna be a phrase in the year from now.

Ronnie Karam (16:35)

No, it's Clockett.

Ben Mandelker (16:37)

No, Clarkett.

Ronnie Karam (16:39)

No, it's Clocket.

Ben Mandelker (16:41)

I know she said Clockett, but, Clark, you missed a lot when you were gone. Ronnie, what happened?

Ronnie Karam (16:47)

Who's Clark?

Ben Mandelker (16:50)

Clark. It is what people are saying now instead of clock it.

Ronnie Karam (16:52)

Why?

Ben Mandelker (16:53)

Who's Clark from Love island, usa? Because there was like a moment where Clark was like. She, like, rolled her eyes or something, and then everyone started saying, I know it.

Ronnie Karam (17:02)

From Love island, usa. Sorry, I've never heard anybody say it out loud. I've only read it in threads.

Ben Mandelker (17:09)

It's okay, Ronnie.

Ronnie Karam (17:10)

I never heard it used as a real thing before. That's funny.

Ben Mandelker (17:12)

If it makes you feel any better, I did have to ask someone, like, what is Clarkett? I was like, so I'm just acting like I knew it all along, but it's okay. I'm just passing on education. My luck.

Ronnie Karam (17:22)

We're here talking about children on the tv.

Ben Mandelker (17:23)

I was like, what? I was like, I get that it's Clockett. It's. But I'm saying Clarkett on purpose.

Ronnie Karam (17:29)

I thought you heard it wrong. I was like, what? Is that what you're talking about? Sorry, my bad.

Ben Mandelker (17:35)

Clarket.

Ronnie Karam (17:37)

So Amira's like, I won't say anything else about George's boyfriend. I will Just say google him and then see if he's gonna give her that million dollars to invest in the bar.

Ben Mandelker (17:47)

I tried to Google him and I could not figure out what his last name was, so my Googling did not go very far. I found someone else named Omar who was a scammer, but I don't think it was him, which was too bad.

Ronnie Karam (17:58)

So now on. Meanwhile, on the road to Montauk and we see Ava's Instagram story. She's like, hey, guys, you're coming on an event with me into Montauk for Dolce, but unfortunately, like, Trump's in town or something. So, like, I'm stuck in, like, traffic. So, like, I need pictures. Like, I live for content, so watch what I do. In a pinch, I get out on the side of the road and I take pictures. Anyway, made it with half an hour to spend. Got a cupcake. Thanks. Dolce.

Ben Mandelker (18:29)

Yeah, Ava's really not the best.

Ronnie Karam (18:34)

It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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Ronnie Karam (20:41)

I don't know that content creators like that really need the videos. I think it should just be pictures because the videos hurt my soul. They hurt.

Ben Mandelker (20:49)

Like. And also, like, don't announce that, like, you, like, you did not go to this. This event. And because you're like, I've got this thing that's coming up. It's coming up. And then you were this late to it, like, right.

Ronnie Karam (21:03)

Like, everybody else was coming from the same place that you were, and they all made it, so everyone made it.

Ben Mandelker (21:09)

Like, why didn't you just go, like, the night before and spend the night in the Hamptons? Like, why are you just hanging around the city? So then Charlie and Cheyenne Dylan are at T Squared Social, and they're like, what's up, man? Hey. And Charlie's like, oh, thanks for not coming, Dylan. You really left me without a paddle, bro. Because Ava didn't even come either. And I was really, like, I was ass out, and now I'm missing a shirt. So then Ariana's hanging out with her friend Austin. They're all like. It's like, what the kids are doing in the city now, you know?

Ronnie Karam (21:40)

Yeah. So then Brooks is at his apartment taking out groceries, and he's like, oh, my God. They were supposed to give me a COVID test, and they gave me a pregnancy test. I'm still taking it. So he calls Chloe and she's like, how are you feeling? And he's like, I'm like, obviously, like, overwhelmed because, like, I'm doing my resort collection. Do they wear jogging seats at resorts now? What resort? Where is the resort? Alaska? I don't know.

Ben Mandelker (22:11)

I don't know. Last time we looked, he was still learning how to do a. Use a sewing machine.

Ronnie Karam (22:15)

They show him drawing on the iPad, but they don't show what he's drawing. And every time you get any kind of sense of what it is, it's just. He's using the biggest marker on there, and it's just big. It's just a big red blob. So I'm not really sure what he's supposed to be doing, but I was cracking up.

Ben Mandelker (22:31)

I know. So Brooks Is like, I. So she's like, what's going on with your merger? He's like, well, America, I started my brand four years ago, and I launched a few different products. Just one product, really. And they were all really successful with my mom. She bought, like, three of them. And I'm just like, so I'm creative director at Meredith Marks, and I mean, I just feel like I'm being pulled in two separate directions. Like, Meredith Marks has my arm here, and Brooks Marks is my brand here. I'm literally gonna split in half. Like, it's awful.

Ronnie Karam (23:00)

It's, like, so hard. There's so many Instagrams. So then we see a flashback of him talking about merging with Meredith Marks. I think it should be an acquisition. It should be a conglomerate. Meredith is like, wow, your first word was mama and your second word was conglomerate. I've never been proud.

Ben Mandelker (23:25)

He's literally acting like he is Paramount and Skydance trying to merge together and get Stephen Colbert fired. Seth is like, well, are you aware the level of attachment issues you have with your mother? Do we need to Google that?

Ronnie Karam (23:37)

What?

Hudson (23:37)

Attachment.

Ben Mandelker (23:38)

Are some being hilarious right now? Okay, Attachment issues is when a child is attached to their mom, when the child can't do anything completely on their own and need their mom to validate them. America, are you catching? This is hilarious. This is banter, right? This is good dynamics, this tv. This is what we going. Okay, Keep going.

Ronnie Karam (23:55)

Hold on. Let me read this from the phone. Attachment issues are when the son only hangs out with the mother and won't talk to the dad about his future journey as a pans. So that's not great. Brooks, Brooks, Brooks. Anal. Anal or no anal or no anal on the first date. Go ahead. We're father and son.

Ben Mandelker (24:14)

Come on.

Ronnie Karam (24:15)

Pretend I'm your mom.

Ben Mandelker (24:16)

Oh, dad, I'm going. I'm getting out of this. This interview session. Going back to the current storyline. So, Chloe, all these conversations, I've realized I don't know if the merger makes sense. Like, I have to talk to Mom. Like, the fcc, they can't know that I'm gonna back out of this merger. It's terrible. And she's like, well, the sooner you. You propose a merger, that if you shouldn't propose a merger, if you're, like, not confident in wanting a merger.

Ronnie Karam (24:42)

I know. I just told you I want to talk to her about it. Chloe. She's like, oh, my God. Gr. Like, yeah, you know, I'm grumpy. Conglomerate. She's like, yeah, that's, like, really hard. Good luck. He's like, oh, my God. It's so much pressure. So we go to Georgia and Omar, and Georgia's like, oh, my God. Do you officially like the name club club for the club? He's like, yeah. She goes, yeah.

Ben Mandelker (25:09)

Cool.

Ronnie Karam (25:10)

Because, like, I like when things are named what they are. Like when a shop is called shop. It's like the least try hard thing you can do.

Ben Mandelker (25:20)

It's. It's actually the most try hard thing you could do. It's like, being so ironic that it's actually very try hard.

Ronnie Karam (25:27)

I still get confused. When I pass French laundry. I still get confused. I don't understand it. Like, how can that be a popular restaurant? I just don't get it.

Ben Mandelker (25:37)

Or how about Chinese laundry, which is somehow shoes? How does this happen?

Ronnie Karam (25:42)

What the hell, you guys? It's confusing. Stop confusing people on purpose. And especially when it's bowling. Like, bowling is pretty specific. Bowl. Bowl would be good, you know, like, works because, like, you know what?

Ben Mandelker (25:52)

Bowls.

Ronnie Karam (25:53)

But club Club.

Ben Mandelker (25:54)

Club Club, yeah. Guys, we're gonna call it club club. Like, okay, great.

Ronnie Karam (26:00)

Try less. I'm gonna have a store called try less.

Ben Mandelker (26:04)

So club club is a place where you go and get sandwiches, right? No.

Ronnie Karam (26:08)

Yeah, Club club. It's. It's a place only people with one extra large foot can go.

Ben Mandelker (26:13)

It's. It's a place where only cavemen are allowed. Club glob.

Ronnie Karam (26:18)

So she shows pictures of her concept and stuff, and he's like, yeah. She's like, yeah. At this point, a club club. We're doing a trial run of what this club club might look like and act like and be like and feel like and smell like, just like, what. What is it? Is it like a club or is it a club? It's both. Do you understand what I'm saying? He's like, yeah. Okay, good. This is a great meeting. You want to whiteboard it?

Ben Mandelker (26:41)

Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (26:41)

Fuck yeah, I do.

Ben Mandelker (26:44)

Yeah. Let's just do this, like, brutalist club club idea. Let's put on the whiteboard. She's like, you know, I'm bringing, like, the idea, like, the creative, like, the team, everything. We're going to, like, we're going to, like, do a collab. We should do a collab and, like, made the bowling balls look like some sort of, like, sexual bowling ball, you know? And, like, and Omar's going to come.

Ronnie Karam (27:00)

And he's going to bring Girl. They're balls. They're literally balls, and they've got holes that you finger. Like, there's nothing more sexual than a bowling ball. And then you throw the balls at big, giant penis shaped things. Like you're already in the most sexual sport. She's like, how do we sexualize something with balls, phallic symbols and holes? It'll come to me. It'll come to. Oh my God, I just sexualized that sentence.

Ben Mandelker (27:27)

God. You know, like so much parties are just like reputation. So like basically if it flops for some reason, like, for whatever reason that club, club could ever possibly flop, like, that's going to be like devastating to my career. Like I may never ever be able to throw another rave in a deli featuring a DJ ever again. I mean, this is it. That everything hangs on this moment.

Ronnie Karam (27:51)

He's like, well, if my friends tell me it's stupid, then like, we'll have to come up with another idea. She's like, yeah, so like, there's huge stakes. There's like huge steaks. Oh my God, we should have a steakhouse called Steak Steak. No, no, House House. It's, it's less try hard.

Ben Mandelker (28:06)

Wait, what about steakhouse or House Steak? I may be onto something.

Ronnie Karam (28:12)

So Riley's is out of stakes. It's like the least try hard thing you could do.

Ben Mandelker (28:17)

And vampires will never come, which is great. So Riley and Ariana are working out and, and afterwards they're talking and, and Riley is saying how the trip really stressed her out and she was in therapy and she's saying how like she was really disappointed in herself because she doesn't want to be like Charlie in 29 and getting into arguments with people, you know, and everything. And Ariana's like, well, what are you supposed to do when there's like 1500 million people coming at you, you know, and chiming in and not. I always say I should stop chiming in, but no matter what, in any situation, I should come and stand down next to you and not chime in. I don't have an excuse. I really don't. Because I'm sorry. I really love you. I was like, oh, that's you. You resolved that okay.

Ronnie Karam (28:57)

I know. Ariana is so sweet. She's just like, okay, it's resolved. And Riley saying like, yeah, I went to therapy. And then I was like, I just want to be better because, like, I want to be better with my issues and stuff and I failed myself. She's like, no, you didn't, you didn't. You're great, you're amazing. We're friends forever. She's like, yeah. So then Ariana invites her back to her house to get ready because it's time for Georgia's brutalist bowl party with sexualized bowling balls.

Ben Mandelker (29:26)

Yeah, but first, Charlie and Anwar are gonna have a scene. So Charlie's like, yo, yo, yo, dad, father figure. What are you up today? He's like, trading a little bit, having.

Hudson (29:36)

A career, doing things successful. You know, things you've never done in your entire life. I might even go to the gym again. Another foreign experience for you, skinny boy.

Ronnie Karam (29:43)

Yeah, well, I might actually go to the gym before I leave because, like, I gotta go set up my new apartment and everything. Oh, look at you. New apartment. What that means for me? New bills. New bills for Charlie. Fun for me. Oh, yeah, I can't wait to pay for a new apartment for you. Stupid little.

Hudson (29:58)

Wow. Actually might, quote, unquote, go to the gym. Just like you actually might, quote, unquote, get a job someday or actually, quote, do something with your life or actually, quote, get a good personality for once.

Ronnie Karam (30:11)

I can't wait until I get a new bill for your couch. I've asked for pictures of it because I know it's the one place that you'll always be. By the way, have you.

Hudson (30:21)

Do you have my speaker yet? I've been waiting several weeks for you to give it back to me.

Ronnie Karam (30:27)

He's like, I'm so excited to be back in a luxury building. Oh, really? Well, don't forget they need a coi. Otherwise they won't let you in, you stupid little idiot. Luxury building? What? That building is fun. Very, very far. Stupid building. If I get complaints from this building about letting losers in, I'm gonna say, you did it to yourself. Stupid. I told you who's a loser? You asked me to co sign. I co signed. Father of loser. And they still accepted application?

Ben Mandelker (30:52)

Yes.

Hudson (30:53)

You're excited about being back in luxury building. That's like how I was excited when I finally had you, my son. And I thought, oh, look, I finally an heir to leave everything to you. And then I realized, no, no, it will never happen, okay? Failure.

Ronnie Karam (31:06)

It's what I said when your mother gave birth to your. To your sister. I looked over at you and I said, finally, a luxury child.

Hudson (31:15)

Turns out he was loser child all along.

Ben Mandelker (31:18)

So Charlie's like, wow, 30 is just like right around the corner. And that's stressful, you know, because, like, where should I be in my life and what should I be doing? And I know that I live a lifestyle that is relatively frowned upon by my dad.

Hudson (31:29)

Not relatively.

Ben Mandelker (31:30)

Completely.

Hudson (31:30)

Completely frowned upon.

Ben Mandelker (31:32)

Yeah. But at the end of the day.

Ronnie Karam (31:33)

You get nothing for nothing.

Hudson (31:34)

You do get nothing for nothing, actually. You get a lot for nothing.

Ronnie Karam (31:37)

You get.

Hudson (31:37)

I'm the one who gets nothing for everything.

Ronnie Karam (31:39)

Laboratorab has nothing on you, that's for sure. It's like, I believe, happy. Oh, really? I want you to be happy. Is that. Is that a new word for employed? That's a new word for employed. Now happy.

Hudson (31:51)

You know, if you were. If you wrote Les Miserables, I believe the song would be called Masturbate in the House.

Ronnie Karam (32:00)

It's funny that you quote Les Miserable because that was your first report card from preschool. That's all it said. Les Miserable.

Hudson (32:09)

You know, I had a dream. More like, oh, I dreamed the dream. Hold on one second. Still trying to work on my limit. I. I blocked out limits, Rob, for so much of my life because it.

Ben Mandelker (32:18)

Reminded me so much of you.

Hudson (32:19)

Okay, I dreamed a dream. More like I sat around on my stupid face.

Ronnie Karam (32:24)

One thing I've always wanted to be, ever since I've met you, on my own.

Hudson (32:30)

Castle on a cloud. More like bong making cloud.

Ronnie Karam (32:37)

Okay, well, let's leave my scene now. Let's just go to Georgia because she's going to Melody Lanes talking to venue guy about sexualizing bowling balls. Even this girl, she wants to bowling ball. She's doing more than you.

Ben Mandelker (32:48)

Stupid, stupid person. So Georgia is like, okay, so it's not gonna be traditional event bowling person. It's gonna be like party vibes. So, like, normally. You know how your bowling alley is normally all fluorescent lights? Now it's gonna be 85% fluorescent light and I'm gonna have a red LED light in the corner, so get ready.

Ronnie Karam (33:11)

I love that she's acting like this is such a new idea. They already have all the lighting there for this. It's called Moonlight Bowl. How many times do I have to say this before someone on this show hears me? It's making me crazy.

Ben Mandelker (33:22)

So she's acting like. It's like, like she's. She's acting like people going to go bowling and drinking, getting drunk while bowling is like a new idea.

Ronnie Karam (33:30)

And I just love that she keeps saying things like, oh, my God, this is going to be amazing because there's going to be, like, bowling, but there's also going to be, like, dancing. No. People dancing on bowling lanes. What do you. They're going to die. People will throw bowling balls and they will hit them in the legs, you understand? And then they will break their legs and fall down. And then you'll probably still keep bowling because you'll have a bunch of drunk, drugged up kids in here throwing bowling balls at hookers on the ground.

Ben Mandelker (33:56)

Yeah, not good.

Ronnie Karam (33:58)

Lauder.

Ben Mandelker (34:00)

Brooks and Cade are at the apartment, and Brooks is like, cade, do you want to be a potential investor in my company? We're doing resortware. And he's like, we're not gonna mix business and relationship. I mean, so I'm just gonna let you. You can just do this. And he's like, but, like, why can't you just be like, an airpod in my ear? It's like, I thought we talked about no more safety blankets.

Ronnie Karam (34:22)

Yeah, they're so cute. I love Cade. I want to find a kid. He's so sweet. So then Seth and Meredith come in. He's like, ah, look who's here. Mommy. Yeah, you could probably tell because your. Your umbilical cord was probably, like, lighting up when that elevator came closer to you. All right, all right, we're here. Stockade in the hallway. Asked him about anal. He says it's going great. Good for you, kid. Good for you. I'm so proud of you.

Ben Mandelker (34:48)

Well, we are here to do a test run of something of you doing a pitch for the future merger of Meredith Marks and Brooks Marks and Marks and Marks Marks brothers, daughters, and. Well, let's see your presentation. I see you've stuck a lot of pictures on the wall and used up your monthly allowance on ink toner. So thank you for using that. Let's see what you have to say.

Ronnie Karam (35:12)

Hi, my name is Brooks Marks. I make jogging pants. I take jogging pants from China and put a ribbon on them that says Brooks Marks. But recently, I've discovered something called Light Terry. It's like Terry cloth, but it's light, so we call it Light Terry. Tmtm. Hey, can I help you?

Ben Mandelker (35:33)

Hey, wait. Wacky father needs to interrupt for one second. I'm just saying, the luxury sales all offer wine and champagne, and they. They want their potential customers drunk. So it's a little tip from an angel investor to an angel son, because are an angel.

Ronnie Karam (35:47)

Okay, okay, hold on. Let me go to my sponsor, Vita Tequila. I love when he pulled out some Vita Tequila.

Ben Mandelker (35:53)

I was like, yes. I didn't even notice that. I am. I am. I'm failed as a podcaster. How did I not see that it was Vita Tequila, Clark. So it's like. So Brooks continues on. He's like, fashion, fabric, etc. Little toddlers need to grow up too. And Seth's like, wow, my brains are blown. Look at this. Two words.

Ronnie Karam (36:18)

Pop. How?

Ben Mandelker (36:20)

Wow. Huge. Hilarious. Amazing work, son.

Ronnie Karam (36:25)

Brooks marks individual company, LLC. A hundred thousand dollars. Okay. And you guys get 8% equity. And Meredith's like, wow, stop. Roxy, honey, in exchange for. I. I just want to understand something. I came here thinking you were going to be pitching a merger between Meredith Marks and Brooksie Toddler Marks, and now you're saying you want to have your own company. So I'm just going to need a little clarification on that.

Ben Mandelker (36:58)

I apologize for, like, not communicating this sooner, but I was in New Jersey, so I feel like that it's time for me to, like, take a risk and step back from Meredith Marks and grow my brand. I'm thinking about, after four years, coming up with a new item. So she said it's like, well, as a father, I love that you're spreading your wings. Oh, my God, Is there a bird in here? Like, gross, disgusting.

Ronnie Karam (37:27)

Like, she's not happy at all. And Seth is like, well, you had a business plan, kid. And let me tell you, a business plan is like pornography. You know, when you see it. And it just jerked off in my pants. Just learning all over myself.

Ben Mandelker (37:44)

We have a deal. But, I mean, you knew you'd have a deal because we were parents, so. Brooks, like, hold on, Mother, can you hold back? I want to speak to you privately. And by privately, I mean just three feet away while dad lingers nearby. Okay. I'm, like, really scared to not fully not work with you, because, like, honestly.

Ronnie Karam (38:02)

It'S just like a paper towel. It's great. You absorb it right away.

Ben Mandelker (38:06)

Dad's. Dad, stop jerking off into my samples. I've literally worked with you for, like, 10 years, and, like, there's not been a single lemon I've cut without your hand on it also. And I just. I started your social media, and, like, I. I don't know what my relationship with my mom looks like when I'm not working with her.

Ronnie Karam (38:27)

I don't know when you learn so many words, but they are saying, you will never be loved by your mother.

Ben Mandelker (38:36)

I don't want you to resent me. I don't want you to resent.

Ronnie Karam (38:43)

You're all grown up. I'm not grown up yet. Coming to mama. Time for a feing.

Ben Mandelker (38:53)

I'm not gone. Mom, mom, you want to use this Terry Light? It's high absorption.

Ronnie Karam (39:00)

She's, like.

Hudson (39:04)

Laughing through the tears. One white bean salad coming up.

Ronnie Karam (39:08)

It's like, next. I think I need to have children. Sing one thing at a time, honey.

Ben Mandelker (39:15)

Seth, when do we tell them that toddlers can't have children?

Ronnie Karam (39:19)

So now we go to Omar and Charlie for their man meeting. Men talk privately about women. Okay? So let's have our man meeting. I'll meet you at Peachy's.

Ben Mandelker (39:29)

Yeah. So Omar's like peaches in Chinatown. So Omar is like, you know, I didn't really get a chance to speak to you during the trip and stuff, and I typically like to deal with my issues. And he's. When he talks, he swings his head around as if he's gonna, like, he's getting ready to do like, a shot put or something. He's gonna shot put his own head off his body. And he's like, you know what? No, I don't know you. I just. I don't said. And the language, like a speechful woman. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Ronnie Karam (40:00)

It's just a lump who doesn't move at all. He's just like, yeah. Is everyone on this show on some kind of a Benzo?

Ben Mandelker (40:09)

Well, he is. His body is a lump, but he, like, rotates his hands in his head. He does like a weird. Like, it's like, yeah. In his same freaking. Is like that one suit from, like, Jose Banks, and he is just gonna wear it all the way down.

Ronnie Karam (40:23)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (40:24)

Which would take about one week.

Ronnie Karam (40:25)

So he's like, you know, but like, your language to a woman that I'm dating, like, that's obviously wrong. And so we see a flashback to Charlie being like, you stupid, delusional bitch. If you are, man, I would fucking hit you right now. Slap you in the fucking face. So we come back and Charlie's like, valid, valid. You know, like, I felt like I quick. You know, I felt disrespected. Quite. And obviously my reaction, like, made it go crazy. So, like, I accept my responsibility in the escalation. Certainly, certainly, certainly. So, yeah, just some adult words there. I hope you can just chomp on those for a second, Omar. Okay.

Ben Mandelker (41:01)

Yeah. He's like, yeah, I respect Omar in every way. I mean, I think power to. To anyone who could be such an adult, you know? And like, I mean, he's two years younger than me. I mean, are you kidding me? I thought he was 10 years older than me, mainly because of this suit, you know? But so then. Then they. Then it like. So it goes into this scene where they just, like, talk about business, which is kind of funny now they become best friends.

Ronnie Karam (41:21)

He's like, I'm sorry. He's like, yeah, man. He's like, but I like crypto. He's like, yeah, crypto, right? He's like, yeah, bro. Crap. Or like, DJ. We're like, DJs together. We're both like. I like, really respect what you've done in the space, bro.

Ben Mandelker (41:34)

Omar's like, obviously, like, you know, if I were to get. If I were to do crypto now, I'd probably do start like a very contrarian VC group. And like, you don't really need to be like that, have like that much experience. Just like whiteboards, like so many whiteboards and like, whiteboards that would have pictures of crypto on it and the crypto would fund more whiteboards. It's just like it would repeat itself. It's just like, bro, like, this is the future, man.

Ronnie Karam (41:56)

And Charlie's like, yeah, like, choosing a good project. Like, it's like so many degens. And he's like, yeah, you know, it's like, if it's remotely of interest, though, Charlie, like, I'd highly recommend it because, like, there's so few people that have a backbone in this business. You have a backbone. Do you have one single suit that you can wear every day of your life that's super important. You need to sleep in it. You need a suit that you can poop in and also run in and also be fine, like just chilling in an elevator in. You have that.

Ben Mandelker (42:26)

Yeah.

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Ben Mandelker (44:31)

Omar's like, you know, crypto really attracts some, like, you know, denizens of society. You know what I mean? I'm like, yeah, I'm. I'm looking at two of them. I'm like, where are they? Is this. I thought this was for sure setting up Charlie getting caught at the crime scene of the crypto bros who are torturing the guy from Italy in Manhattan. But no, didn't get there.

Ronnie Karam (44:50)

I was waiting for some projects because Charlie sounds like he's gonna pitch. He's like, yeah, like, I've been trying to come up with a good project. Like, I thought of a coin called fart. That's actually been done, bro. That's been done, ass. That's been done.

Ben Mandelker (45:05)

Yeah, Charlie.

Ronnie Karam (45:08)

Sorry, buddy.

Ben Mandelker (45:09)

Charlie's like, yeah, for sure. I think I'm, like, prone to, like, understanding the average crypto degenerate that I am to like, understanding the average traditional finance investor, because, like, obviously there's a lot of toxicity in any group of people, especially with any degenerates, you know, financially. So, like, there's scams, you know, and, like, that's all sort of bullshit, right? And they're almost like, like, yeah, oh, oh, sorry. Since you brought up scams. Sorry to met. Oh, George has called me twice. I guess we can't talk about scams anymore.

Ronnie Karam (45:34)

I thought it was so funny when they. When he's like, yeah, like, financially, there's scams. And the music goes. And it, like, focuses on Omar's face because he was called. I mean, that's all. And he goes, yeah, well, George has called me, like, twice. She goes, yeah, because George is, like, fending for her, man's. He's like, yeah, well, we're gonna travel after this. We're gonna be going to, like, Korea, Japan, all over, like, basic Asia. Basic Asia Touring. And he's like, yeah, wow, bro, That's a good trial and tribulation.

Ben Mandelker (46:08)

Living with a girl in your bed every day is difficult, you know? Matt. He's like. He's like, yeah, well, I love Georgia. This hopefully will be different and done.

Ronnie Karam (46:17)

Done.

Ben Mandelker (46:18)

I just can't wait to visit Asia with her and come back with her from Asia. The two of us returning together on the same flight from Asia, specifically Singapore. That will be a great moment for.

Ronnie Karam (46:27)

Us, our general Asia trip. So then we go to Brooks, talking to Amir on the phone, and she's in France, and they're gossiping about Ava. And she's like, did she even apologize at least for not making your event? Like, does she even apologize for making it your birthday party? And he's like. And we see a flashback to him talking to Ava and he's like, I'm so sad you weren't there. She's like, yeah, I'm sorry. It's like the worst timing. Like, Trump came to town. So, like.

Ben Mandelker (46:56)

Well, the trip was from, like, Wednesday to Friday, so I was, like, confused if, like, something more was going on. And she's like, oh, no. I mean, my fitting was supposed to be a Tuesday, but then they had to move it to or maybe the event was Thursday and the fitting was on Friday. No, sorry, the fitting was on Thursday. The event was on Tuesday. No.

Ronnie Karam (47:14)

So.

Ben Mandelker (47:18)

I have to look. When did you guys have dinner? Thursday. That's when the event was. No, Friday. That's when the event was.

Ronnie Karam (47:28)

She's like, yeah, well. And he goes, yeah. She was like, I really need to get to this event for my career. And, like, I support careers and Amir's like, for her career. Girl. Girl. I mean, I have the actual invite here. Girl, this is a pop up in Montauk. Like, I can justify missing your friend's birthday for a store opening, but for a fucking pop off the bad. What?

Ben Mandelker (47:52)

Like, I do think it was actually really up that she did not show for your birthday. I am, like, loving Amira. She just comes in and she just sort of like, she's saying what? Everything that we're thinking. So now we go. Now it's time to go to club. Club. What'd you say?

Ronnie Karam (48:11)

She's coming for blood.

Ben Mandelker (48:13)

Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (48:13)

Amir is taking no prisoners. So George and Danny are getting ready. Omar comes with an investor. Who? I don't. I'm so sorry. I don't believe that's an investor. Who is that guy? You guys can tell because I talk very low and I wear turtlenecks and glasses, so.

Ben Mandelker (48:30)

And chains and I have, like, high pony. So this guy. I mean, I really. I don't know what character actor this was, but great work, great work. If this was, like. If this was Sasha, Baron Cohen, if it was Eric, Andre, whoever, you were in disguise. You did. You did it. You infiltrated a Bravo show. No one even noticed. You. You. You.

Ronnie Karam (48:49)

You're doing great.

Ben Mandelker (48:50)

Yeah. Great work. So George is all mad. She's like, omar, like, why did you bring investors when it's just starting and no one's here? Like, don't you know no one comes to a party until an hour after it starts? Like, what? I'm like, but you just threw a party for Meredith Marks, and you're upset that Ava showed up late, so this party's gonna be lame no matter what. Let's be honest.

Ronnie Karam (49:15)

So Riley and Ariana are getting ready, and they're just talking about how this is going to be a disaster. It's like, oh, my God. I've seen pictures, and it's a little confusing. Riley's like, yeah, I hope she proves me wrong. And then we go back and people are arriving. The Brooks has arrived. Chloe and Marx. Chloe and Brooks and Gia. And then we see basically this opening, which it's a bowling alley. There's people hanging out at a bowling alley.

Ben Mandelker (49:40)

But.

Ronnie Karam (49:41)

So Brooks is like, love the vibe. You're, like, totally making bowling chic.

Ben Mandelker (49:47)

And I love that. Like, Brooks goes around the. He, like, encounters a vending machine, and he. He acts like he. I think he thinks that, like, Georgia installed it there as part of, like, this, like, cool retro thing. He's like, oh, look, a vending machine. You're in a bowling alley, but it only takes quarters. What are quarters?

Ronnie Karam (50:06)

There's these, like, projections up above the lanes of, like, women, shadows dancing, like they're at a club. And Project goes, oh, my God. Wow. She goes, yeah, I made those projections, like, a year ago. And he's like, oh, I thought there were women, like, in a cage dancing back there. It's like, no.

Ben Mandelker (50:22)

Yes. We're doing the cell block tango at the.

Ronnie Karam (50:28)

But it was so funny, that vending machine. He's like, yeah. Like, stuff's in there, but you have to have something called quarters. It's like, where do I get that? And I'm like, maybe they'll have it in cash register. He's like, what's cash? So they go up there and they're like, can we do. Should we do, like, a hundred dollars in Is.

Ben Mandelker (50:48)

So then people are arriving, and Ariana is like, club. Club is really not giving club. This is not a club. And she's like, look, like, club Club is kind of like the Ariana Beerman of Fashion designers. It's just not really giving what it's saying, it's giving.

Ronnie Karam (51:05)

Yeah. So Charlie comes, and he's asking about Ava, and Brooks is like, yeah, I got a pedicure with Ava. And I was like, I so sad you're wearing at my party. And she was like, the event was on Thursday, but, like, the fitting was on Thursday, but the party went from Wednesday to Friday to Saturday to Monday to. I don't know. And she's like, she was making up excuses the whole time.

Ben Mandelker (51:34)

And Brooks, like, I really don't want to jeopardize my friendship with Ava in any way because, like. Like, it's really important that you have someone who's very bland in your life at all times. And she's that person for me. So if that means I have to buy some of my conflicting feelings, like, so be it.

Ronnie Karam (51:51)

So then that comes with her new man, Hook. Sorry about your arm, sir. Sorry about your arm.

Ben Mandelker (52:03)

Hey, did anyone see Hook? He was at Club Club. No, I didn't see Hook at club Club.

Ronnie Karam (52:07)

Hey, guys, I'm bringing Hook, and I just want to make sure that there's no crocodiles with timing watches on them. He'll get really triggered.

Ben Mandelker (52:17)

How does he feel about vending machines? Does he know about quarters? They're apparently, like, a thing.

Ronnie Karam (52:22)

So Hudson and Ariana are talking, and, I don't know, they're talking about Ava, and they're like, oh, yeah, she should have been there for your birthday. Yeah, you should have said something. But I know you hate confrontation. So I'm like, there's no way Brooks is going to be like, so. Ava, are you. Because, like, this is New York, so you need to learn to be listen as a New Yorker. Let me tell you, learn to be a New Yorker. This is your time. This is your time. I love the smell of piss. I'm wearing it tonight. Do you smell it? So New York.

Ben Mandelker (52:50)

Yeah, I understand New York so well. So, yeah, Ava, like, shows up behind and them, and. And so it's, like, awkward. And Brook's like, oh, my God, I have to say something. Well, Ava, you know I, like, love you so much. For some reason, it's not your personality. I don't really know what it is, but maybe because you're pretty and which is why, like, talking to now, like, it really makes me, like, so uncomfortable. So, yeah.

Ronnie Karam (53:15)

So they finally have to go have a little talk. Yeah. He's like, yeah, like, what you're saying is different from what Amir is saying. It's like, don't let like, other people get in your head. Because, like, I mean, I'm not even 100% sure she was invited, but it was, like, in the Hamptons, so it had been, like, eight hours in the car from Jersey Shore to Montauk, so, like, technically, yeah, I could have come, but, like, you know, hair, makeup, like, I just didn't want to, so. And he's like, wow, okay, good. I'm so glad we talked. She's like, great.

Ben Mandelker (53:46)

Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (53:47)

So basically just my birthday wasn't worth it. Exactly. Okay, thanks. That was like a hug. That was like a hug.

Ben Mandelker (53:54)

So Hudson's like, look, I'm. I'm not trying to be, like, in the middle of this, but I am stuck in the middle. And Ava's like, well, why are you stuck in the middle? And they're like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Hudson. Hudson. He's like, no, I'm. I'm stuck in the middle of you too. I need to get out. Can you please step aside? I need to get out of here.

Ronnie Karam (54:10)

And Ariana's like, my inner thoughts are. I'm trying to shut the fuck up. I'm trying to shut the fuck up. I'm trying to shut the fuck up now. So Ava's like, you don't have to be involved, Hudson. And he's like, but also. And she. Ariana's still like, oh, my God. Keep your mouth to yourself. Keep it to yourself. Hudson's like, well, like, I'm legitimately stuck. So I'm finally shy. Just like, can we go bowl? Like, yeah, my God, I'm the only one here with a job. I was actually looking forward to bowling. These balls have condoms coming out of them. Why do I want to fuck these bowling balls? George is like, nailed it. Nailed it.

Ben Mandelker (54:43)

Ariana's like, story arc is complete because she's like, I decided not to butt in. And I. I kept. I kept that promise to myself. I did not butt in over a minor discussion. Like, wow, she's come full circle. She's grown. New York has made her full woman now. So they start to do some more bowling, and then Georgia has sit down with. With Miguel, the crypto investor, and she's like, so what do you think about club? Club? It's just like, it is what it is, right? It just says what it is. It's on the nose. It's like. He's like, well, I have a question. I mean, I want the idea. I want the vision. I want the inspiration. She's like, look around. What do you not get fluorescent lighting? Check Projections, check. Balls that are like. And have condoms coming out of the little finger holes.

Ronnie Karam (55:28)

Check, check, check. She's like, look, you've got merriment. You've got joy. You've got, like, lighting. You've got flooring. There's walls. There's air. There's sandwiches. There's, like, dancing. There's projections, there's happiness. There's people uptown, downtown, Midtown. Do you understand what I'm saying? Downtown. Downtown.

Ben Mandelker (55:53)

I like the concept. I like the concept. And then you can just branch.

Ronnie Karam (55:56)

Like, branch, branch. Diversify, diversify, diversify, diversify.

Ben Mandelker (56:01)

Synergies.

Ronnie Karam (56:02)

It's gonna. It's gonna change the world. People all across America are gonna bowl.

Ben Mandelker (56:08)

Wow.

Ronnie Karam (56:08)

It's like, yeah.

Ben Mandelker (56:09)

So you're saying. You're saying this sport could really take off in every town in America. Wow.

Ronnie Karam (56:14)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (56:15)

Innovator.

Ronnie Karam (56:15)

Sports, sports. So they've made a deal. So now we go back to Charlie, and he's hugging Georgia, and he's like, wow, Fun party. Love you. Glad we made up. Omar and I had a good conversation. She's like, yeah, he said you would. You were cracking him the fuck off. Like, I was fucking amazing. He said, you said degen a lot. And tribulation. So he's like, totally into you.

Ben Mandelker (56:39)

Yeah. So George is like, everyone have an announcement. Thank you. Get ready for Club Club in the. In 2025.

Nick Cannon (56:47)

Okay, everyone.

Ben Mandelker (56:49)

Because everyone I talked to was, like, elated. Like, taking balls and rolling them down across the floor and knocking over pins. What an idea. Oh, my God. Club Club.

Ronnie Karam (56:58)

Yeah. Riley's like, yeah, I definitely wanted to be proven wrong, and I was right, so. And Ariana's like, well, the food was good. And they said, oh, yeah, that's not her food. She's like, oh, sorry. And we just see the food, and it's chicken tenders.

Ben Mandelker (57:13)

Yeah. And Ava is like, you know, this friend group, we've definitely had our small little tiffs, but at the end of the day, we can still, like, get together and support each other. And I love that. Like, no one wants to hear from you, Ava. Everyone's mad at you. And then she's. She pulls a strike, and no one even pays attention. She said, anyone? No. Okay, so now we have.

Ronnie Karam (57:31)

Yay. That was a good show. It was a good season, but it's not over.

Ben Mandelker (57:35)

Yes. We have this, like, fun kind of like, this is what happened the rest of the year for these kids in New York. So we see everyone doing things. We see Brooks. He's doing, like, a photo shoot. Shy, playing guitar. Dylan is shirtless and running around the city, working out, being hot.

Ronnie Karam (57:51)

Then only time they show Dylan, Like, Dylan's not even on the show, but they'll show him occasionally shirtless. But now he has a beard, so that's his grass.

Ben Mandelker (57:59)

He's really grown up. So Ariana and Hudson are walking down the street. Ariana's like, my first summer in New York is, like, what I hoped it was going to be. It was like, forget about it. Am I right? I'm a real New Yorker now.

Ronnie Karam (58:13)

And her dog poops in the crock the crosswalk. Someone's like, God damn it. What the. What the. Shut the up. Okay. Ariana's made it. She's a New Yorker.

Ben Mandelker (58:23)

And then Brooks is, like, moving to New York has changed my life entirely. Like, I'm not working for my mom anymore. And I do think cutting the cord. I think we cut the cord, and I might be hanging on by, like, a thread, but, like, I cut it. I've grown. Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (58:39)

Now instead of working for my mom, I'm just, like, working for myself with money my mom gave me. So it's, like, totally different.

Ben Mandelker (58:46)

And then we see a scene of, like. Of Brooks and Seth going to, like, going to someone where Seth is going to pretend to be a potential investor and not the dad. So Seth is there, and Brooks is making, like, a pitch, and Seth is like, I'm a potential investor. And Brooks's like, dad. He's like, and I'm the dad.

Ronnie Karam (59:10)

So then now it's fall, and Gia, Christian Hudson, and Ariana are having lunch and talking about how Gia has been with Christian for five years. Where's the ring? And she's like, maybe soon. He's like, maybe in, like, four years. And she's like, four years? It's like another decade.

Ben Mandelker (59:28)

Yeah. And then we go to live that she believes leaves. Yep. Yeah. Yes, exactly. And then Ava and Dash are in the car talking about hook because they're dating. And Dame is like, so you guys talked about marriage yet? And she's like, he has to move it. Like, he. He was like, he wants me to move in with him. And he's like, damn, when will you get. When are you gonna stay then? And she's like, well, I don't know. I'm gonna go to your crib. Whatever. It's like, no one cares. And then we go to Charlie driving, and he's like, you know, I'm almost dirty, and. And, you know, that's something that's driving a lot of my decisions and behaviors is. What's it like to skateboard around Manhattan when you're 30 instead of 29. It's weird.

Ronnie Karam (60:08)

Cut to Georgia squirting a water gun in her mouth. This fucking girl. So Omar gets a text from Charlie, and he's like, hey, really interested in consulting in this project. I'd love to continue helping. So now he's agreed to help raise some money for Omar's business, whatever that.

Ben Mandelker (60:27)

Business may be, whatever it is. And then we find out that Georgia and Omar have, like, moved in together, and they're, like, in this high rise and everything is great between them. And then we go to. We see Amira and Brooks at dinner, and she's saying that, like, they're talking about their relationships, and Brooks is saying that his relationship with Kate is just, like, really healthy. Doesn't feel like it deserves it. And she also feels like. She's like, no, you do deserve it. Like, this is the genuine happy I've ever seen you. Unlike that Georgia. Hello. That's someone who's never had Red Robin.

Ronnie Karam (61:03)

Okay, so then we get to the good part. So Georgia and Omar are in Singapore, and we see pictures of her, like, jumping into the water. And she's like, yeah, we're planning, like, this Christmas trip to Singapore, like, general Asia, because, like, Omar doesn't have to work one week out of the year. So we did it. And then we cut to Brooks and Charlie, and they're got. They're starting to gossip. Oh, no. Brooks and Ava. So Brooks goes, georgia and Omar broke up, and they're like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, what happened? So then we go back to Amir and Charlie, and Amir's like, oh, my God, they're broken up. Heartbroken. Heartbroken. Google him. Google him.

Ben Mandelker (61:43)

And then mirror's like, well, she did fat shame me on national television so that bitch can rot in hell.

Ronnie Karam (61:50)

You're so ridiculous.

Ben Mandelker (61:53)

Red Rock. The Red Robin meal that will never be forgotten.

Ronnie Karam (61:58)

My God. So now Georgia, they're like, oh, my God, Did Georgia post a TikTok about this? Oh, my God. No, she didn't. So we see the TikTok, and George is like, oh, my God, life is so funny. One day you're living in a $10,000 a month apartment. You're with a man you think you're going to marry. You're sexualizing bowling balls for him, and then you get into one fight and he cuts you off financially.

Ben Mandelker (62:26)

And then it turns out that she's stranded in Singapore with, like, no way to get home. And Omar packed up all her shit and sent all her shit in boxes to Charlie's hallway. And we see a stack of these boxes that he just has to take in. Omar was like, you have to accept these boxes because I'm your boss now, so enjoy.

Ronnie Karam (62:45)

What was this one disagreement? Jesus.

Ben Mandelker (62:48)

I would like to know. Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (62:50)

So boom. Charlie and George are now roommates.

Ben Mandelker (62:58)

And Amara's like, you know, he's. You know, Omar's sketchy, right? Like, google him. Google him. Okay. And Charles, like, no, he started a very legitimate company, and I am contractually obligated to say that it's legitimate, man. She's like, oh, yeah, I love being messy.

Ronnie Karam (63:14)

So now monologues about how New York they are. And, like, it's important to have friends. And they do have friends because they're New Yorkers.

Ben Mandelker (63:23)

That's what New York is all about. Ariana's like, well, I don't know that I would necessarily say that I'm a New Yorker, but I'm definitely on my way.

Ronnie Karam (63:36)

Just before we go, I looked up Hook because I didn't remember seeing him on the show. So you. This dork. Let me show you. This is Ava and Hook.

Ben Mandelker (63:47)

God, I'm scared. I'm scared. We've already been through so much in 2025. I. Who.

Ronnie Karam (63:53)

Look at this dorky kid. This is so funny.

Ben Mandelker (63:56)

It's a scrawny little off brand Jeremy Allen White. No, please.

Ronnie Karam (64:01)

With a really tall hat pulled all the way down to his eyebrows. That's just funny.

Ben Mandelker (64:05)

Douche. No. I'm sorry. Oh, Best Buy. Hello. No, no, Ava, you can do so much better. Why is she wasting her pretty, which she has so much of, on this, on this guy? This is a no. This is a big no for me.

Ronnie Karam (64:20)

I'm gonna give the hook to Hook Star Hook. Wrestling fans are always interested in what's going on in their favorite stars lives. Recently, AEW star Hook was spotted with a woman on social media. What's AEW you all Elite wrestling.

Ben Mandelker (64:35)

Oh, you know what's so funny is that there was someone. There was someone from this wrestling league that was on a flight of mine, like, recently. And I knew this because he had, like, a big T shirt of, like, himself on. I was like, wow. Like, how do you know that someone's. Someone's in an off brand wrestling league is that they have to advertise their face on their body just to get people to be like, oh, that's cool.

Ronnie Karam (64:58)

Yeah, he's. He's a wrestler. He's a professional wrestler. He made his debut in 2021, and quickly G attention for his Calm, cold demeanor and his impressive in ring ability.

Ben Mandelker (65:09)

Wow. Chris Jericho is part of all elite wrestling. How the mighty have fallen.

Ronnie Karam (65:14)

Oh, he's not a scrawny little kid, that's for sure. I just looked up his. I just Google image searched him. Wow. Oh, Ava. Okay, I get it now. Better. Way better. Pictures in Google images. So young. I shouldn't even be saying that. Well, hook it up.

Ben Mandelker (65:29)

I'm sorry.

Ronnie Karam (65:29)

Then I take it all back.

Ben Mandelker (65:31)

I honestly. No, no, he's a douche. Look at. Look at that picture. I'm saying I'm standing by it. I don't care if he's a wrestler. You can still be a wrestler in a douche.

Ronnie Karam (65:42)

Well, yeah, I mean, I'm not saying he's not a douche. I'm saying he's not scrawny. Because I said he's a scrawny. He's a scrawny. Oh, no, but no, no, he's not.

Ben Mandelker (65:48)

No, he's not scrawny. They showed him like the photo of the two of them together and he was like jacked to. Like, he was.

Ronnie Karam (65:53)

Yeah, like, I'm so jacked now on the mira. Oh, yeah, he's jacked. So young. They're so young to be hitting each other. Why are you hitting each other? Stop it. Be nice to each other. Hey, can we have a sport that's just be kinding. Can we be kinding to each other? I'm gonna kind you, bro.

Ben Mandelker (66:09)

That's a great.

Ronnie Karam (66:10)

Let's kind each other. Like, I like your shirt. Gold medal. All right, everybody, thanks for being with us this season of Next Gen nyc. This was super fun. I love this show. I Hope it has 20,000 more seasons.

Ben Mandelker (66:25)

Yeah, and I think it will because it was the number one premiere of all time in the history of humankind. So. No, it was great. It was a great show. Super fun. Thanks everyone for being here and we'll catch you on the next episode of Crap ins. Bye. Watch what Crap INS would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Allison King. It's always a party on Alice in block.

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Ronnie Karam (69:25)

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