#2945 RHOC S19E03: Setting the Recording Straight

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary: Episode #2945 RHOC S19E03 – "Setting the Recording Straight"

Release Date: July 25, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode #2945 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into Season 19, Episode 3 of The Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC), titled "Setting the Recording Straight." Known for their sharp wit and candid commentary, Ben and Ronnie dissect the latest drama, character developments, and pivotal moments from the episode, providing listeners with an entertaining and insightful analysis.

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Episode Overview

The episode primarily revolves around escalating tensions among the RHOC cast members, focusing on Katie Janela's controversial actions and the ensuing fallout. The hosts explore themes of privacy invasion, trust issues, and the complexities of maintaining friendships amidst personal conflicts.

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Key Discussions and Insights

1. Katie Janela’s Actions and Allegations

   • Recording and Privacy Violations

     Central to the episode is the controversy surrounding Katie Janela, who allegedly recorded a private conversation without consent. Ben and Ronnie discuss the ethical implications of this act and its impact on group dynamics.

     Ben Mandelker (05:15): "When your entire line is about liking an espresso martini, I'm done with you, Emily. Get Emily off this show."

     Ronnie Karam (58:29): "You were the one talking over me. So she's. Shannon gets in her full ponytail. Drunken anger gets upset."

   • Katie’s Apology Tour

     Katie's attempts to mend fences through apologies are scrutinized. The hosts question the sincerity and effectiveness of her efforts, especially considering the recurring nature of her conflicts.

     Ronnie Karam (10:46): "Katie is saying that she's on an apology tour, and she's just really glad that you didn't bring Emily to sneak up on me this time."

     Ben Mandelker (17:34): "It's a second apology because I didn't actually fully tell the truth the second time."

2. Character Dynamics and Alliances

   • Support for Gretchen and Heather

     The hosts express their allegiance towards Gretchen Rossi and Heather Dubrow, viewing them as more grounded compared to Katie's turbulent behavior.

     Ben Mandelker (16:14): "She's Mimi the real villain is here. It's not Katie doing a. An audio recording of Shannon having one of her 5 million meltdowns. It's Tamara and Heather's like, oh, hold on."

   • Tamara's Role and Manipulation

     Tamara’s interventions are highlighted as a source of continued drama. Her manipulation and tendency to escalate conflicts are critiqued.

     Ronnie Karam (24:35): "Well, she does it all the time where she just kind of minimizes her own thing, you know? It's. That's how she rolls."

     Ben Mandelker (24:35): "You cannot make this equivalency. That's not the same. You are the company you keep."

3. Family and Personal Struggles

   • Custody Battles and Family Tensions

     Katie shares her struggles with custody battles, revealing the emotional toll it has taken on her and her children. The hosts empathize with her situation, acknowledging the sacrifices she has made.

     Ben Mandelker (28:50): "Kids, it's dip time. Last year, Gavin split the year with me and his dad. And now he's here and I never see him. He's always gone."

     Ronnie Karam (28:22): "I think she's talking about how one of her sons still doesn't live with her, but one of her sons decided to come back and live."

4. Social Events and Party Planning

   • Heather’s Birthday Party

     The episode features Heather Dubrow’s extravagant birthday party, where tensions reach a boiling point. The hosts describe the party's setup, interactions, and the eventual confrontation between Katie and Shannon.

     Ben Mandelker (48:28): "This is my feelings. And we all know what. What happens when my feelings get hurt."

     Ronnie Karam (54:48): "Heather walks through her party, and she's like, oh, do I feel an obligation to throw a good party?"

5. Conflict Resolution and Future Outlook

   • Shannon’s Confrontation with Katie

     The climax of the episode revolves around Shannon confronting Katie about the unauthorized recording. The heated exchange underscores the irreparable damage to their friendship.

     Shannon (55:44): "That's not fair, because I know at the very least, she told. She sat and told Alexis all about it."

     Katie (55:30): "I will never, ever speak to you again. You are the most evil, evil person I've met."

   • Ben and Ronnie’s Reflections

     The hosts conclude with their personal takes on the events, reiterating their support for those who maintain integrity and expressing frustration with continuous betrayals.

     Ben Mandelker (58:22): "Jeffrey you're a Category 5 hurricane storm. Sorry, Earl. That was for you."

     Ronnie Karam (59:54): "Shannon gets in her full ponytail. Drunken anger gets upset."

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Notable Quotes with Attribution and Timestamps

• Ben Mandelker (05:15): "When your entire line is about liking an espresso martini, I'm done with you, Emily. Get Emily off this show."

• Ronnie Karam (10:46): "Katie is saying that she's on an apology tour, and she's just really glad that you didn't bring Emily to sneak up on me this time."

• Ben Mandelker (24:35): "You cannot make this equivalency. That's not the same. You are the company you keep."

• Shannon (55:44): "That's not fair, because I know at the very least, she told. She sat and told Alexis all about it."

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Conclusion

Episode #2945 of Watch What Crappens provides a comprehensive and entertaining breakdown of RHOC Season 19, Episode 3. Ben and Ronnie expertly navigate the intricate web of relationships, highlighting the ongoing struggles for power, respect, and authenticity among the cast members. Their insightful commentary, paired with sharp humor, offers listeners a nuanced understanding of the show's latest developments while maintaining the engaging and irreverent tone that Watch What Crappens is known for.

For those who haven't tuned into RHOC or Watch What Crappens, this episode serves as a detailed gateway into the current season's drama, ensuring you're up-to-date with all the essential happenings in Orange County's reality TV scene.

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Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

How are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

How is the healing going? How's the bruising?

[Ronnie Karam]

Pretty good. I mean, it's still pretty bruised up. Hopefully, I think next week, no matter what, I'm gonna stop wearing these glasses. But for now, I look like I'm wearing bruise eye makeup.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're. You're, you're in. You're in character for a role.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So today we are talking about the one and only Orange county starring Katie Janela, who I think is supposed to be maybe a villain, but for some reason. Well, not for too hard of a reason. We're all rooting for her. I'm rooting for her, I should say. I won't speak for you, but I'm like, I'm totally team Katie on the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not really rooting for her. I'm just rooting against the people who are trying to persecute her. I think her crimes are no worse than anyone else's on this show and I stand by it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. So why don't we get right into it, shall we? Oh, we should do a reminder. Our next Amazon Live is going to be this Monday, where we have an Amazon Live this Monday and it'll be the following Monday. And then when we're going to ultimately settle into a schedule of one Monday will be crapping on demand, the next one not crap, crappy hour, and then the other Monday will be Amazon Lives, we'll alternate between them, but we're sort of working with a funky little schedule here for the time being. But please come join us because we had way too much fun playing around on that thing. So that was great. That's gonna be at 4 o' clock on Monday. And then after that we're actually gonna have a crappy hour at 5:30. So I should say those are both west coast timings obviously adjust for whichever time zone you are in. Join us for both and we'll have a great afternoon.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're gonna have fun and it's gonna be like. We're gonna be so different by Monday because this weekend I'm going to see Beyonce and we're going to see together the Backstreet Boys in Las Vegas. It's a Las Vegas super fear.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I forgot you're going to cowboy Carter tomorrow.

[Ronnie Karam]

My cowboy stuff already. I've been trying to grow my. My mustache or what. I don't even know what I'm gonna do.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm so excited. It's gonna be the gayest weekend of all time. Beyonce followed by the Backstreet Boys. I mean, that's some gay. I want to fly there on a penis.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, you're gonna be exhausted. Two concerts in a row. I don't know how you're gonna. I, I, I, I, I, I.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's very unlikely.

[Unknown]

I can't imagine.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's very unlike me, Public spaces and all, but I'm going. I can't wait. Okay, so for now we have Real Housew. We got our taglines. I don't think. Yeah, right. So I didn't put any. Well, I guess we could just read. I was going to play a game and say like, try to guess who they are. But it's not like they're. It's not like, do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I like doing it in their voices. So what do you want to start with? You want to start or you want me to start? I'll start.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, you start.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, you, you start. No, you don't care.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know who's who.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll start, but I don't know who this one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I think I know this one's Jen first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your game's great, by the way. Life can be like, who was this? That's Jen. I'm announcing who it is before we guess. Yeah, life can be hard, but, like.

[Unknown]

Sir, are my abs. Thank you so much.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you so much.

[Unknown]

For once, the only dogs in my life are golden retrievers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Heather saying, I may not be your cup of tea, but I'll bring you. Oh, no, sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's why this game is tricky. You already lost a point. Okay, Ben lost a point.

[Ben Mandelker]

I lost that point. Well, because Heather has been doing the espresso martini thing, but so has been Emily's. Also been. They both have decided to get really into espresso martinis this season. Right. But I guess Emily Moore.

[Unknown]

Okay, sorry. Let me redo. I may not be your cup of tea, but I'll bring you an espresso martini.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, you got that one correct. And also in this game, for this actual clue, we are deciding this is why this person needs to finally get kicked off the show. When your entire line is about liking an espresso martini, I'm done with you, Emily. Get Emily off this show. Okay, next is.

[Unknown]

I love life in the hills, so I always take the high road.

[Ben Mandelker]

I own the high road. I just want to say. Well, that's obviously Heather Debrow. I just also want to say we need to before we go on to the next one. Life can be hard, but so are my abs. Okay. I think that's an okay one from Jen. I don't love it. I think she could do better for once. The only dogs in my life are golden retrievers. I think that's a decent one from Shannon. I may not be your cup of tea, but I'll bring you an espresso martini. That's a fail on Emily's front.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I think I love life in the hill, so I always take the high road. I actually like that one. Not that it's true, but I think that's good. Like wordplay. Like, I love life in the hills. I always take the high road. That's clever. I. I give. I give clever points to that one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay.

[Unknown]

I may work in real estate, but that doesn't mean I'm buying what you're selling.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think that's a great line, what you're selling, because I don't know. Does she. Has Gina sold any houses yet? Do we know? I think there's some way to find out. My guess is no.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'M gonna say no, but I think this is a great line because it's a. It's good word play. And I also believe that Gina is not buying anything.

[Unknown]

Y. Yeah, she's like, I. I can't afford that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gina literally says this every time in a Marshalls.

[Unknown]

I'm not buying what you're selling.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're like, we know you've been denied the credit card again.

[Unknown]

Yeah. So I'm not buying what you sell.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, Please leave. Get out of the line then.

[Unknown]

Can I just get these jelly beans?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, you didn't get credit Here.

[Unknown]

I'll pay cash. No, you're not going to pay cash either.

[Ronnie Karam]

Your kid is running out. There's six children running out with jelly beans. Get them.

[Unknown]

I feel bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we have Katie's, which is, I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but my truth. But I don't know if you know about this. The original one was, I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but my truth, and then apologize for my truth, because I lied a little bit about my truth, and I also lied about the lie. And the apology was actually. It's a second apology because I didn't actually fully tell the truth the second time.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wish that Katie's tagline was, how dare you?

[Unknown]

I will come for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that was Shanna's yelling at people backstage.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want.

[Unknown]

I want.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want Katie's tagline to be, she left her grilled cheese.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. Like back in the day when they were just recorded actual snippets from the show instead of.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I would like that audio.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I. That would have been good. She left her grilled cheese. So then is.

[Unknown]

I'm taking a hard look in the mirror, and my reflection is hill. Still hot.

Hottest housewife in Orange County.

Bitch.

Old.

[Ronnie Karam]

The bird. I love that they showed that bird who called Tamara old. That shit was funny. It was a good call.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

So nice to start at the nail tech. Gina is in a sad sweatsuit and.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also known as a standard Gina outfit.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're actually like, two fanny packs sewn together over her chest. I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she looks. I think they're at. They're going to get some sort of scalp treatment, whatever it is. I actually. This is the first thing in a long time where I'm like, I kind of would like to do that. Not that I have, like, a big head of hair, but I think I just want a big old head massage. And this place looks like a great place to do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, they had the head massage thing. You know, the little. The little thing that looks like the.

[Ben Mandelker]

The metal things, like the claw machine. I love that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I love that.

[Ben Mandelker]

It also looks like Tamara's hand.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're there for a deep clean of the scalp, and Gina's like, well.

[Unknown]

I'll tell you what they're gonna find in me so romantic, you know, they're gonna find, like, a lot of old shampoo. Yeah. So look at this, where we just meet up, and we're already going for it. Already going for the, like, deep sea skill.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gina, stop trying to rebrand your dandruff as dry shampoo. We know it's not dry shampoo. It's dandruff. Okay, we get it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Katie's like, I'll try anything. These girls want to get them back on my. Even a super expensive spa day, and she needs it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Gina's like, you know, I've accepted.

[Unknown]

Katie's apology, but, like, trust has to be built up over time, and she has to buy me a lot of things.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's really all it is. She just is. She just needs some free shit, and then she'll be on your side again.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's how she is. That's how she became friends with Heather. So Katie is saying that she's on an apology tour, and she's just really glad that you didn't bring Emily to sneak up on me this time.

[Unknown]

She's like, oh, yeah, Sorry about that.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we cut to Emily, who is talking to her dog, who's named after a fast food sandwich place, Togo. And she's like, togo.

[Unknown]

Go upstairs. Mama's got a Togo in her purse. A classic.

[Ben Mandelker]

She may also. The dog may be named after a country in Western Africa. You never know. Emily is a very worldly person, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

Probably Emily named that after a damn sandwich shop, and we all know it.

[Unknown]

Or.

[Ben Mandelker]

Or her favorite. Her favorite form of eating dinner to go, please. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Something the audience has been begging producers for, as far as Emily's concerned now, for six years for her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tamara comes over.

[Unknown]

She's like, hey, Patch, is that a dog or a coyote back there?

It's a dog. I'm faster. She's a cattle dog. She hides.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, she doesn't hide. She just has good taste. She's. She. She's with the audience. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Otherwise known as an audience dog.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is a Nielsen dog. Would you please read it? So camera's like, I'm just so tired.

[Unknown]

Tired from life. Life is just so hard. Yesterday Pushed me over the edge. Over the edge?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Oh, God, life is so hard when you have to go to a free hot pot meal and get talked to by an angry blonde lady. So Emily's like, yeah, what did you.

[Unknown]

Think when Gretchen came in?

[Ben Mandelker]

What do you think threw me over.

[Unknown]

The edge, you stupid bitch? Emily, pay attention. That's what I'm talking about.

I mean, I wanted to say you look like an episode of Toddlers and Tiaras.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, you realize you all look like that, right? You realize you all go to the same hairdresser. You all have the same hair. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gretchen really does, though. I mean, Tamara's not wrong on that. And Emily's like, she's just really upset about your podcast. So we see a clip of Tamara showing the ladies a clip of or playing a clip of her podcast where she was saying, yeah, yeah, of course.

[Unknown]

They lost the sun. That sad and stuff, but Michelle lost everything. Then Gretchen got a chunk of money, and Michelle went through GoFundMe to pay for services. How fair is that? How fair is that.

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way? If that's true? That is not. That is, in fact, not fair. All that Slade would get to, you know, get away with this, if that's true.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know if I love the sentence by Tamra. Well, yes, Slade lost a son, but Michelle lost everything. Like, we're gonna act. We're not gonna act like a son as a pillow or like a coupon that was discarded. Like, that's a major deal. But I don't know enough about this situation. And I also, by the way, don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're saying that Michelle watched the sun too, and she also lost everything because, oh, he's not paying his child. He's not paid for anything for the son was the allegation.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't care. I don't think Tamara should butted into it. And I don't think that Tamara is like. I don't think that Tamara can be like, oh, my God, here comes Gretchen again, complaining about the same things for the past decade when Tamara's the one inserting herself into something that she really should not be inserting herself into because it's like, it deals with, like, real. Real and not, like, you know, petty, you know, reality star shit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, agreed.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it's like a kid dying. Let's just, like, stay away from that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And it's Tamara. Yeah. Like, even if the. Even if what she's saying is completely true and Slate is gross and all of that. The messenger is Tamara. So you know. Yeah, look in your own backyard, madame.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let them fight that battle, okay? You don't have to bring that into your two T's in a podcast.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we cut back to the other ladies and Gen is like, yeah, that.

[Unknown]

Wasn'T right at Tamara. But like Gretchen went and commented on cameras. Like if daughter's Facebook. And that was like really, really hot on camera. It was like really hurtful.

I mean, she went to her daughter's Facebook. She's a miner. She went to a miner's Facebook page.

Emily's like, I didn't know she worked in the mines. I thought mining was. Oh, it's over and dead.

Yes, she did. She got black lung now. She did that. She commented. She was just down there trying to find some rare metals and she's. And Gretchen's writing comments at a Facebook page.

[Ronnie Karam]

What did she comment?

[Unknown]

Stop coughing.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're trying to read mine.

[Unknown]

Did you say something like, why you bring a bird down there anyway? It's not a good place for canaries.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, look, there's. There's like moments, you know.

[Unknown]

Oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because Tamara's like, oh, can you imagine.

[Unknown]

Katie doing that to Annabelle? But if Katie was texting, was. Was commenting on Annabelle stuff, okay, she.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wasn'T a 5 year old minor. She was a, like 16 year old. She wasn't that much of a minor.

[Unknown]

What would you feel? How would you feel like if she was texting your newborn baby? Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I think whether she was a minor or not a minor, I actually don't think Gretchen should have written that comment either. I think it was just like, Gretchen, don't. Just don't be messy on the kid's Facebook page. Like, just don't do that. Like, you have so many better. You have better avenues for doing this. This is your. This is gonna be a losing battle no matter what. I think, you know, both of them just Gretchen and Tamara are really out of control. But I'm on team Gretchen on this one. I have to say, overall.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, me too. So then Emily's like, well, you know, there's moments that can be fun and light hearted and she's.

[Unknown]

Yeah, but then I get teamed up by Tim Witching.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's Emily's way of saying, like, well.

[Unknown]

To be fair, I have actually commented on several his Facebook page. I just want to say. But I do it in the funny way. Gretchen didn't do it in the funny way. I just want to say that in case anyone wants to drag out any.

[Ben Mandelker]

Comments that I've written.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, true. So then we go back to the salon or whatever and. Or the spa, and Jen's like, oh, no, no. Now we go to a restaurant. So Jen's going to go to a restaurant with Heather and I guess Shannon. And Heather is dressed. It looks like they're in a pub. And Heather comes dressed in, like, a glitter blazer, like, are you going to the Oscars, ma'?

[Unknown]

Am?

[Ronnie Karam]

Can you just have a casual lunch?

[Ben Mandelker]

I am wearing what the working people wear when they are off of their work and are no longer working and now are going to sit back and throw something back and they wear glitter to celebrate the end of a workday. Hard work it is. Feet are sore. Anyway. Hello, barkeep. What does an espresso martini look like in these parts? Do you have gold leaf? Will there be diamonds on the side? A bump of caviar? Like, wow. Just Kahlua on the glass. Oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

And the waiter's like, don't worry, there's no dairy in this one. It's purely dark.

[Unknown]

Oh, good, good, good. I will try the espresso martini in these parts.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am such a Miranda, am I not? Oh, God, I love being with my girlfriends. So Shannon walks in. She's.

[Unknown]

Well, everyone. I'm in leggings because I'm single. You wouldn't know it, though, because I'm about to bring in a parade of Love Hotel alumni.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, and then we find out that Katie has sent Shannon an apology text. She's very. And she's hurting right now. She's hurting.

[Unknown]

And Gina's like, yeah, it's violating. I mean, it's bad, but she'll get over it, you know?

Well, everyone here assembled at Ye Olde Bennegan's. Well, she texted me. Katie, that is. And it set me off. It set me straight off, because I told her not to say sorry. But I said. Just yesterday, I said, don't say sorry, but. Don't say sorry, but. Unless, of course, you have sat in some gum and you say, sorry, but I didn't mean to stick some gum on you anyway. But she said. She said no one heard the recording, and I don't even give a fuck. Can I see that in this pub?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, you may. Working people are here.

[Unknown]

I don't give a fuck, because I know someone heard it.

Well, I called Alexis. I called Alexis. I called Alexis.

I called Alexis.

Hold on, hold on. Anger face because my friend interacts with Alexis Bellino, but retracted anger face because I realize you're on my side on this one. Okay, continue.

She said that she played it at a lunch with Jen and Katie and that it was played. It was played.

And Jen's like, no, no, I don't remember that. I was at a lunch and I don't remember this text ever being played. I just.

[Ronnie Karam]

It didn't happen.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Katie's. Katie tells us. She's like, I've never been alone with Heather. I mean, Jen was definitely there, but. Which is funny. Is that Katie suddenly. Is that Katie saying, I did have a lunch with Alexis and Jen and I did play it there because I'm like, you're kind of in your. Your life.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what she was saying. But maybe she. She didn't technically say that, so maybe she just means she was there when I told her about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Told her.

[Ronnie Karam]

But, you know, Katie does lie all the time, so I don't know what I think. Katie got together with them and played this thing thinking it was going to be hilarious, and Jen doesn't want to be any part of it, and Alexis decided not to use it. Get her ass sued for illegal recordings or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And by the way, I'm sure it was hilarious. I'm sure it was a hilarious recording. And let's not lose sight of that. I would have loved to have heard that recording.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, me too. We have heard versions of it over the years because it's Shannon. So it was like, Shannon does this five times a season at least, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Including at the end of this episode. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. And her hair is always pulled back into a ponytail every single time, too. Isn't that funny? She's got, like, a habit of, like, you know, Shannon's ready to go to battle. When she pulls her hair back, she.

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[Ben Mandelker]

So Heather's like, I believe Jen. She doesn't remember things.

[Unknown]

Jen is stupid. So I completely, I completely believe that.

[Ronnie Karam]

She didn't hear it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, she goes into Neiman Marcus's and buys dresses she can't even afford. And then I watch her do it. She's so dumb.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're like, yeah, recording that audio of Shannon wasn't nice.

[Unknown]

And Heather's like, oh, there is no coming back from that. There is a no coming back.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Shannon says, well, she said she.

[Unknown]

Didn'T do it on video. Like that matters.

Oh, there's no coming back. Katy has crossed so many lines. So many lines.

[Ben Mandelker]

She has crossed as many lines as I have read in auditions over the years. Because I'm a working actress, thank you very much.

[Unknown]

So Jen, Tamra's crossed lines.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tamara's not an actress. How dare you say that?

[Unknown]

She's like, well, I'm not Tamara's keeper.

Well, I'm not Katie's keeper.

But do you just give her grace?

[Ronnie Karam]

Because you're in a safer space. Why do you give Tamara so much space? I don't know where this Jen came from. This Is great.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love Jen doing this. I love. I love Jen reminding everyone who the real villain is here. It's not Katie doing a. An audio recording of Shannon having one of her 5 million meltdowns. It's Tamara and Heather's like, oh, hold on. Let me do a big flop of my hand. Okay, My hand is to the right, and let's flop it over to the left.

[Unknown]

I'm not scared.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not scared. Look, I just slammed dunked a basketball into my espresso martini. I'm not, not scared. I'm not scared. Not scared.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we go back to Tamara.

[Unknown]

She said, I'm just having a different standard than everybody else. It's okay for Katie. But what I did last season. I'm the devil. I'm the devil. Oh, they're baiting me. Ryan posted sue about suing me, and so if I say anything, he's gonna sue me. And my lawyer said that's baiting, and I shouldn't be around him, so I'm not gonna be around him.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, just maybe don't slander him, you crazy person.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is this when she is, like, when she says, I'm held to a different stand or whatever? At one point, they, like, move the screen over and they show Tamra putting on the FBI hat, and basically, like, the FBI was at his house. Whatever. There is. Honestly, I'm sorry. There's a massive difference between saying, hey, the FBI was at Ryan's house, and he's, like, basically saying he's implicated in this scandal that's going on in the sports world versus Katie recording a voice memo. I'm not saying that what Katie did was good. I'm not saying it's not violating, but you cannot put the. You can't act like Tamara's like, oh, it's just some small thing. She rear ended a Jamba Juice truck. Like, it's not like.

[Unknown]

It's like, tamara, what you did was.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was a significant, significant thing. This is a villainous act.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, she does it all the time where she just kind of minimizes her own thing, you know? It's. That's how she rolls.

[Unknown]

It's like, well, what I do, will I do?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go back to the other ladies, and Heather's like, announcement, announcement.

[Unknown]

Ding, ding, ding. I would like to ding on this very dark espresso martini that barkeep has made me.

Ding, ding, ding.

I'm having a birthday party for myself.

Like, oh, well, that's not really surprising. Stan was like, wow, that was a month ago.

[Ronnie Karam]

Your Birthday, so.

[Unknown]

Well, I don't like celebrating after the holidays because everyone's fat and gross and poor. So I decided to have it in a month where people are less disgusting looking.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, in January, you know, that's when Wendy Malik's back on the sidewalk with her. Pam be like, give me some dollars. I spent everything on a toy for my child. No one wants to see that.

[Unknown]

So I told Tamara, I'm inviting Jen, but then she said her attorney said not to be around Ryan. So I'm not telling you I don't want you to uninvite Ryan, but maybe talk to Ryan and see if he has other things to do instead.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jen's like, oh, oh, oh.

[Unknown]

Well, then you chose Tamara, because that is my husband.

And I had to sit there and.

[Ronnie Karam]

Argue that my kids are in a safe house and that I wasn't raided.

[Unknown]

By the FBI and I had to.

[Ronnie Karam]

Pay for lawyers that I couldn't afford because your friend.

[Unknown]

Your friend said, we were raided by the FBI.

That woman has caused.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who is Jen right now?

[Ben Mandelker]

This was amazing.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was so amazing that this even goes from. I even gave her the amount of huevos to go against Heather.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, that I loved was so good. I even gave her a pass about saying that Ryan was her husband, because that's not true. But, like, when she's like, this woman.

[Unknown]

Has got to be so much pain, and she doesn't want to come around by Ryan. Fuck her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, okay. All right. You're making the espresso martini mad. Espresso martinis are kind of my thing. Wait, hold on one second. What was that? Emily has a tagline about espresso martinis. I will not stand for this.

[Ronnie Karam]

That woman caused so much pain. So she doesn't want to come to be around Ryan. Well, her. And then someone next to them is like, oh, you go, girl. And she's like, sorry. She's sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I'm sorry, but you know what? Uninvite me. Uninvite me.

[Unknown]

Why do you side with her? Why do you lower yourself? I thought you took the high road.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, well. Oh, oh, well. You were not supposed to know that was my line. But that's fine. That's. Are you not lowering yourself by being with someone who videotaped a friend? It's like, you cannot.

[Unknown]

You cannot make this equivalency.

That's not the same. You are the company you keep.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, yes. And I suppose if that's true, I guess I keep the company with Drake. He does live around the corner for me, so. Thank you for that.

[Unknown]

I have so many Grammys. Thank you. And you know what, Jen? If you judge me for my friendships, what does that say about you and yours?

[Ronnie Karam]

And she goes, that's not fair. She goes, then I'll invite everyone.

[Unknown]

And may the chips fall where they may. Where they fall, the way they may. Let them fall where they may.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't care.

[Ben Mandelker]

So because we have maids that can pick up all the chips, don't you worry if it's a Pringles, if it's a Ruffles, let it fall on the floor. That's what the working people are for.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Katie is at home with her sons and dads, and she is kind of an odd mom because she says things like this. Honey, do you want to come into the kitchen? We're eating dip. That's it. Forest Weight Watchers. D well, I'm getting dip.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kids, it's dip time. Last year, Gavin split the year with me and his dad. And now he's here and I never see him. He's always gone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Anyway, so they sent. This is kind of a boring scene because it's a Katie Holmes scene. Like, who needs that? Nobody. So she's basically talking about how one of her sons still doesn't live with her, but one of her sons decided to come back and live. So now the other son wants to come live back here. And she's going to feel like her family's all back together again. And she talks about the custody battle starting 11 years ago and how she had to give up custody because she had nothing. After her divorce, she was cut off from everything. And so it made sense for her to let the kids stay in their home and go to school in their district because their life is basically more important than hers. Which, you know, the way she explains it is like, I basically made sacrifices for my kids sake. And she's like. And for that to be used against me is shit. And I feel like a woman should uplift me, fellow women, for what they survived, you know, and not tear them down for their mistakes or whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think that's a fair point. I think it's a very fair point.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And there was something else. I was confused. She said her son, the one who's there, the older son, he spent his time in San Diego, Matt's house, because they had a house in San Diego, but then they also had a house in this oc. I know this was an issue on the reunion. I just don't remember the details.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think that's where the husband Has a house.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

So the kids had the choice. And so the kid chose to be in one place for the summers and one place for the school year. But now he's choosing to come back to her for the school year. But that leaves the other son in. That leaves them separated.

[Ben Mandelker]

So that's what we find out. Now we go to Emily and Shane and they're having a date. They're gonna go to, as far as I can tell. Is this the west coast opening of Club Club? It's a bowling alley and there's beverages and the light. Cool. Is it Club Club?

[Unknown]

Did someone.

[Ben Mandelker]

George McCann, you are on to something.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, this isn't a bowling alley in a club. This is a bowling alley and a tavern. It's called Tavern plus Bowl.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bowl Bowlern. Is it really? Was it really called Tavern plus Bowl?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Tavern plus Bowl.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tavern plus Bowl.

[Ronnie Karam]

So party of six, this dork brought his own bowling shoes. And Shane's like, yes, yes, yes, I did. I am a bowler, as I will prove to you. So it's going to be a three couple date with Gina and Travis, Emily and Shane and Shannon and dun dun.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dun, dun, dun, dun. Adam.

[Ronnie Karam]

The man was Adam from Love Hotel.

[Ben Mandelker]

A man who will love to wear a scarf at the least least expected moments.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Shannon's like, well, he was on.

[Unknown]

The Love Hotel and I eliminated him. O But he's six years younger than me and he wants kids again. So that's not happening here. That is not happening here.

Well, I don't know why she broke up with Earl. Something.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I heard about that.

[Unknown]

There was a storm system heading towards Georgia, but the. This one is a matching bowling shirt. And so they're both equally nuts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now, call me crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's. I don't think it's that crazy to wear a bowling shirt to bowling.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm just gonna match bowling shirts is a little weird.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like I feel like that's what like middle aged couples do all the time. I would do it. I'd wear a matching bowling shirt. I'm like, I'm middle age.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who anything that happened. She's like, isn't this insane? We're on TV right now. And then Gina's like, oh, I'm gonna.

[Unknown]

Prove what a good friend I am to Shannon. So I'm gonna like, really grill this guy. So, like, when was your last serious relationship? You were big drinker. You got a temper. You. You even kill. You even kill. Because I'm not gonna tolerate another John Jansen situation. Like, I don't even care if I have to stay all night in Grella. I'm like, I'm gonna do it. You hardly burn. You late night. You got a schedule. You got a retirement plan. Do you believe we landed on the moon?

[Ronnie Karam]

We didn't land on the moon.

[Unknown]

After you make fun of someone, do you feel bad?

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Travis's. He's like. Or Trevor Traver. Travis. I always forget his name. He's like. He's like, honey, you're acting like our dog.

[Unknown]

Sorry. I feel me.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she pulls off and everything. And Shannon's like, look, okay, I intend.

[Unknown]

To make it clear that I have nothing to say to Katie ever, ever again. Except for later in this episode when.

[Ben Mandelker]

I will actually yell at her.

[Unknown]

But anyway. Oh, wow, I'm gonna crash. I'm gonna crash when I get home. That's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, no, I was saying that was my bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shane goes up to Shannon, God, you're.

[Ronnie Karam]

Really going to crash. And you get home too soon. Shane too.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shane. Think about the words. Think about the words.

[Unknown]

Shannon's like, oh, this is just our first stop. We're going from here to the quiet lady, the quiet woman. And we've got lots of places to go.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we go to Jen a Jen home scene, talking to her kid about sports. And he got in trouble because he's talking too much in PE And Ryan loved that. Is that good for you?

[Ben Mandelker]

I didn't know you had to be silent. And P.E. i feel like Pete, like, maybe it's like, okay, kids, this is how you climb the rope. And I guess he was talking through that part, but I was like, I.

[Unknown]

Feel like PE Is actually one of.

[Ben Mandelker]

The louder classes where you can talk and whatnot. Yeah. And it's also like, run by.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is called Jumping Yaks. No, it's not jumping Yaks.

[Unknown]

It's Jumping Jack.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ryan.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ryan. Ryan's like, you know, being a stepdad is hard. It's, you know, like, you know, because they already have a dad who doesn't even wear paint splatter on his denim jackets. And I just wish he was more hands on. And he's not. And you know, they live on a roof, but everything's cool. Everything's totally cool. You can see Ryan biting his tongue to be like, this guy's a douchebag. I hate him. And this is for me. Ryan is calling someone a douchebag.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Ryan's like, well, he's a terrible father. So I try to fill in when I can, but it sucks. So Dawson comes home and he's Met a recruiter, and he's joining the Marines. And Jen's like, no, he didn't even ask me.

[Unknown]

The conversation was, I'm joining the Marines, so that's great.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so she's talking to him. She's like, so this is the path you want, honey? You're really sure? And he's like, yep. And he's like, yeah. You know, like, the only thing is, like, they say, like, the hardest part is, like, the mental part. I just want, like, the training to hurry up. I mean, isn't this kid always, like, in trouble and stuff? He's got another thing coming to him if he thinks this is the easy road.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, if you think that. Like, the train. He's like, I just want the train to hurry up. I'm like, I don't know much about being a soldier. I applaud the people who have gone down this path. But my feeling is that after the training is over, it's still going to be hard. You may want to hurry up. It's going to be hard.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've never met a soldier or a family member of a soldier who's like, oh, my God. Thank God he took the easy route and became a soldier.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God. It's a cakewalk. God. So, so pleasant being deployed. So, so. But then here's what gets crazy. So it's just like a standard scene. He's going to the Marines, like, okay, okay, okay. And then Jen goes, oh, by the.

[Unknown]

Way, did you sign Harrison's school loan with your dad?

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, yeah. And you're like, what? And then she says, because I don't.

[Unknown]

Feel comfortable co signing with your dad.

[Ben Mandelker]

But you did. And it turns out that Harrison, who was an older son, who's like 21 or something, needed, like, a school loan. And so the dad had Dawson, who's 18co sign on a school loan. I was like. I was like. I wasn't even sure if I was really even hearing this or seeing this correctly at first. I was like, is that possible? Like someone you're having the younger son who's still in high school? First of all, you're allowed to do that. And then you're gonna have the younger son who's still in high school, co sign a sign on it, I guess on spec that this kid was going into the Marines. It's gonna be earning a salary that is shitty. That is so shitty and terrible.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so the terrible didn't co sign at all. He just made the son do it. I'm so confused.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did the dad and the son both co sign? I don't understand why they're. It sounds too. Because I thought I took it at first that the dad had the son because she said, I don't feel comfortable co signing with your dad, but. So he made you do it. Meaning that the dad co signed and the son co signed for the other son's loan. So does that mean now there's three people on the loan? Did the dad just, I don't know, enough credit to do it himself? So he needed somebody like. I don't know. I don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

It must have been all. All I know is I would just never, like, never, like, make your son co. Sign the loan for your other son. And then now, now Dawson is basically on the. He's on. On the hook for. For all this stuff. And they, you know, Ryan lays it all out like, you have more debt than you have income coming in. That's going to show on this one if you want to buy stuff. And Dustin's like, yeah, that's cool. I was like, oh, that's. This is so shitty. And Ryan is basically at the end of the scene when Dawson leaves. Ryan's like, yeah, I was. Would never do that. Like, that's. I can't imagine I would put my.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kid in that spot. Yeah, that's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah, that's so shitty.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yep. So then Heather goes out with Tamara and they go to this place with parrots all over the place for whatever called Madagascar.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a restaurant called Madagascar. It's a very global spot in Orange County.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Tamara comes in, she's like, oh, that you can.

[Unknown]

Hey, Betty.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey.

[Unknown]

Oh, you're the mean one. I remember you. You called me old one year and I laughed.

[Ronnie Karam]

But then they actually show a clip from 2017 where she's coming in and.

[Ben Mandelker]

You just hear old.

[Unknown]

She's like, did you just call me old? Stupid mother. Call it like I see it. Call it like I see it. Whop.

I'm Gretchen Rossi.

Nice to meet you. Oh, my God.

Everywhere. She's everywhere.

So Heather's like, I want some champagne. But, but, but. Barkeep, can we please have some regular wine glasses instead of champagne glasses? Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's how we're doing it now.

[Unknown]

That's how we're doing it now. Tell the other pores.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tell the other boys. Oh, my goodness. God. Wow, Tamara, you've been so calm lately. What's your secret?

[Unknown]

So she's like, life is so sad.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she talks about therapy, but she talks about Teddy and she's looking at videos with Teddy and she's like, and.

[Unknown]

I'm in so many of those videos, so many videos with Teddy.

[Ben Mandelker]

There was a feeling I was like, are you low key trying to jockey for position with Kyle? You're competing with Kyle Richards right now, aren't you? I feel like. I kind of feel like there's, like, an element where, like, Kyle gets all the credit for being Teddy's best friend. Like, they just had a Glamour. I think it was Glamour magazine. They had a whole spread about, like, with the two of them and everything for what Teddy's going through. And I feel like Tamara. I get the sense that Tamara's like, hello, I'm also her best friend, and I talk with her and work with her every single day of the week. And I'm getting no this. And Kyle Richards is stealing all the friend credit in this situation.

[Unknown]

You know, it's so hard, everything going out with Teddy. I was going through the Instagram and thinking how I'm the friend who's on every single post. And I scrolled and I scrolled and I scrolled and I scrolled. And finally on page 18, I got to Kyle Richards. And I thought, wow, Ted, Teddy could use more phone calls from her. Probably. Yeah.

But now I'm digging up my childhood. Sydney. I'm crying all the time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, when did you go to Sydney?

[Unknown]

No, that's my daughter, bitch.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yes, I definitely paid attention. I can't wait to meet friends.

[Unknown]

She's the one who erased me.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I can see you.

[Unknown]

Do you pay attention to anything I've ever said?

Sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hard to see you over all my hotline bling. I am the company that I keep, Drake. So she's like, you are doing the work on yourself. It's like every time I see a maid vacuuming herself in my basement, I'm like, you are doing the work on yourself.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love the image of a maid vacuuming herself.

[Unknown]

Good for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Putting in the work.

[Ronnie Karam]

Terry's like, why is there a maid vacuuming herself?

[Unknown]

I told her to do the work on herself.

[Ronnie Karam]

She took it literally. So Heather's really trying to sell this newfound version of Tamara to us.

[Unknown]

She's like, I have have never seen Tamara go through so much emotionality. She's so balanced. She's so thoughtful. And listen, Tamara, I'm talking to you now. I'm not the audience. I told Jen, when are you going to give Tamara some grace? Aren't we sick of seeing grace under fire?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not.

[Unknown]

Because A very good actress named Heather.

[Ronnie Karam]

Dubrow was on there.

[Unknown]

Where is that show anyway? Bring it back. Heather under fire. Dubrow under fire.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I don't know about that.

[Unknown]

Here comes one right now.

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[Ben Mandelker]

So Heather's like, and now you just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hear, over my dead body. Over my dead body.

[Unknown]

Oh, that toucan has met Grace Butler.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is that her name?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I think her name is. I was gonna say Rhett Butler, but that's the Gone with the Wind. Maybe that's Butler Butler.

[Ronnie Karam]

Damn it. What was her name?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know who she is. She didn't survive the 90s the way I did, but I'm sure she's had great fun auditioning for Brett Butler.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Grace. Grace Kelly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Under five. It was her name. Grace Kelly on the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. God, I really myself up. Okay, the recap's over. I need time for my brain to heal from all the information I just learned about this early 90s sitcom.

[Ben Mandelker]

Anyway, as I was telling my dear friend, the lady with the blue eyeshadow on that Drew show, it's hard. It's very hard. And we need to give Tamara some grace. Truth?

[Unknown]

Well, I started by telling her about not drinking champagne glasses out of flutes.

[Ronnie Karam]

I want her to make that mistake.

[Unknown]

God bless her heart.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's got it hard enough over there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Drinking a lot of cream out of that espresso martini. Anyway, I don't like it. I brought up the party and I mentioned Ryan to Jen and Tamara's like.

[Unknown]

Oh, yeah, just tell her not to bring him. My lawyer said so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I told everyone to bring their significant other. So, you know, it's starting a war. I told this person can bring someone, that person can Bring someone slam dunk into the table, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, Heather is playing with fire here. And of course, she started it out by Tamara.

[Unknown]

I just want to say how proud I am of you. You've grown so much.

[Ronnie Karam]

Jen's boyfriend's coming to the party and. Wait, did they get married?

[Ben Mandelker]

Married?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, no. Maybe they.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Remember their small ceremony? I don't remember.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, there's. Maybe they want to have a small ceremony. Did they get a. I don't think they eloped. I think that, like, remember that she was trying on wedding bikinis recently.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so Tamara's like, it's his friendship better than mine.

[Unknown]

This is my feelings. And we all know what. What happens when my feelings get hurt.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, listen. It's gonna be a big party. You don't have to see her. It's gonna. People, my. My friends, the Terlates who owned the winery will be there. Richard Marks, we're letting him out of the basement. He'll sing some songs. It'll be a chill, dancing vibe. I mean, there'll be some upbeat jams by Michael Buble, sure. But if you see Ryan, just ignore him. Easy as pie.

[Unknown]

Oh, yeah. Well, I know for a fact that Eddie won't go to your party, because Eddie's not concerned for that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, no. What are we gonna do at a party without your protein fart fucking charisma bundled husband. Who cares if he's gonna Eddie anything?

[Ben Mandelker]

The life of the party Eddie. God, it'll be so sad without him there.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we go to Terry and Heather. Is this where they're getting ready for the party? I think so. They're getting ready. And Terry's like, so how much is this party compared to the Nobu party?

[Unknown]

She's like, more.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, well, how much more? Two times? Three times?

[Unknown]

I'll say four times.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, that was $45,000, Heather.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Wow.

[Unknown]

Richard Marx breathing stem cells into Richard Marx doesn't come cheap.

[Ben Mandelker]

Luckily, Daisy Fuentes says she's gonna chip in. So then we go to Jen and Ryan, and Jen's like, I mean, if.

[Unknown]

We see camera, just like, no allegations, talk.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I'm not gonna talk to her.

[Unknown]

Okay, good.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ryan had knee surgery, so he's gonna be hobbling around. This is. This is someone who is desperate to be on camera, is that he got knee surgery the day before, but he's still like, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna hobble around. I might permanently ruin my knee because I. But it'll be worth it to be on camera.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hoodie and a blazer at the same time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Katie's telling her hair person she wants to talk to Shannon, and Shannon's telling her person, her hair person, she's.

[Unknown]

Absolutely not talking to Katie. But I am bringing Phil from the dating show Love Island. I keep in contact with all of. I have a bunch of friends, a bench.

Tomorrow, I'm going to be bringing my new, sweet, adorable friend. His name is Ace Green, and he is very small, and he fits in my. In my pocket. And he will be a great addition to whatever event we go to. I cannot wait.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Heather walks through her party, and.

[Unknown]

She'S like, oh, do I feel an obligation to throw a good party?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Unknown]

I have a champagne girl in a glass. I have people rolling joints because I'm Heather Dubrow.

Cool mom.

I've got two guys writing poetry, susheet, sushi, caviar bombs. And yes, I also hired pro photographers to capture the event. Not to be confused with paparazzi rotzi.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ah, God, isn't it great to be a cool person? Having rolled marijuana joints and poetry. God, I love being me. So Emily and Shane arrive. Life of the party, part two. And Emily's like, the point of a.

[Unknown]

Birthday party is that you were birthed on this earth on a day. This just feels so random.

Yeah.

And some people celebrate Christmas in June, and Heather celebrates her birthday whenever the fuck she wants. I feel bad for anyone whose birthday really is today.

Well, I heard that Ryan had knee surgery, girls. I thought maybe he got a lesson, doesn't want to come.

[Ben Mandelker]

Love it.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, maybe some heavies showed up and, like, banged him in the knees like the little hoodlum he is.

[Unknown]

Samley's like, is Tamara coming? You don't know?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, I don't know, but we'll check every dumpster to see if she's hiding out. So then Ryan shows up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Jen come. And Ryan's in a hoodie, which is super classic. A classy party, sir. Okay, your knee was hurt, not your arms. Put on a decent shirt, okay? Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And then Shannon shows up with none other than.

[Unknown]

Hello, I'm Phil. I'm from Bella.

[Ben Mandelker]

Phil is horrified.

[Unknown]

He's like, I didn't know there was a place south of Santa Monica Boulevard.

[Ben Mandelker]

What?

[Unknown]

What is this land down here? Orange County? What do I do?

So Shannon's like, well, that Katie better not talk to me, I'll tell you that. She's like, don't you want to talk to Katie now. Make a new friend. No, Absolutely not. Don't you even start.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Heather is do making everyone do caviar bombs, which apparently is where they come and they put caviar on your hand like coke, and then instead of snorting it, you lick it off, which sounds disgusting.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't need my. My retin A. That is probably left over on my hand mixing with my caviar.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Absolutely not. And I have done many of these. I'm like, I will do it. I will do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just give me a cracker. I'm not even in it for the fish eggs. I'm here for the crackers.

[Ben Mandelker]

I agree. I like it. I prefer a cracker over. Over it being on my hand. I don't love it being in my hand, But I do wash my hands first before I do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's not delicious. It's not totally restroom, you know, public restroom soap scent as you eat your caviar. I just. It's gross. Humans are gross.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Shannon's telling everyone about Phil.

[Unknown]

She's like, well, everyone. So Phil, we met on the Love Hotel and we got. And he got to know all the girls. And he is one of our favorite. He's also the one who has more than six figures in his bank account. So we enjoy Phil.

[Ronnie Karam]

Emily's like, hey, I love your teeth. Wow, you got really good teeth. So when do you celebrate your birthday? Months later, probably like this wacko.

[Unknown]

All right, now I just want to tell everyone that Phil is not a friend with benefits. He's just a friend. Although there is a benefit to being a friend with him, which is that.

[Ben Mandelker]

He will bail you out if something.

[Unknown]

Should happen on the road, if you know what I'm saying. Oh, goodness, Phil, you're not recording this, are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Gina's like, well, the.

[Unknown]

The drive by caviar is a bit much, but just another day in the life. It's a prom.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Shannon. Let's see Shannon, they're doing this thing where they're like gong with a glass. Like, they give you a shot and you have to hit the. The gong. And if you don't hit the gong, you have to take another shot and then keep hitting the gong. So of course, Shannon just keeps missing it to get more shots. But they finally move her over to some. Some, some versus they're like, we'll give.

[Ben Mandelker]

You a non alcoholic shot so you can hit the gong without getting wasted. Emily and Gina walk through a hall of mirrors, which is like watching the show. And Gina's like. She's like, whoa.

[Unknown]

This venue used to be, like, a massive, like, Christian television compound. And it's, like, giving those vibes, like. And it also feels like weird cult. Like, it's weird to think that there used to be, like, a TV network here and now it's gone. I feel bad that they got canceled old.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's weird because Miami was in a church and this one's in a Christian compound. Very Jesusy week over on Brav's so wild. Terry Dubro is like, whoa, guys, there's a marijuana bar here, okay? They roll the whole thing. Look, let me show where to go. It's not in the glass thing. Where did it go?

[Unknown]

I'm like, oh, my God, Terry probably been hitting the marriage wanna. We are cool. We are a cool couple.

[Ben Mandelker]

Suck on this, Wendy Malik. So then Katie is there, and she's like, well, I never thought I'd be at Heather's birthday, but seeing Shannon makes me sad.

[Unknown]

No, I think what you're supposed to say is, I feel bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just like, I won't do that. I won't say that, Gina.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Shannon is already steaming because Shannon's had some shots now at the Gong thing, and her hair's pulled back, so we know what's about to happen. So she's like, oh, that girl recorded.

[Unknown]

Me at a gallery shoot.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Katie and Gina back to them. Katie's like, yeah, And I'm not really happy with Tamara. I mean, listen, I fell on the sword. I went over to Tamara's house, I apologized to her, and then she tattled on me and took everything I told her. And, you know, look, every problem I've had in this group has been Tamra telling on me. Yeah. So maybe learn your fucking lesson.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ronnie Karam]

No one on the show ever learns their lesson. Like, how is Tamara to these people off screen that they're so loyal to Tamara once the cameras start rolling? Because the second they start rolling, that shit's all out the window. You guys need to learn time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I know. Seriously. So meanwhile, Emily says hi to Gretchen and Slade, and Gretchen's like, however, by the way, I.

[Unknown]

We.

We should get more testosterone for our love life because I broke Slate's penis.

[Ben Mandelker]

For real.

[Unknown]

It's a medical thing. Yeah. You can't get a boner anymore.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I was like, yeah, when it breaks, it caused scar tissues and how it bends because he doesn't want to get hard in that section. So I. I call him Captain Hug now because it's like the that and.

[Ben Mandelker]

You really can see how this has affected Slade, because I was like, wow, Slade is much. He's much more withdrawn this time around. It's like, oh, he can't get a full boner. And, like, that's in his head. It's in his head in many, many ways. More ways than one.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Heather and Katie are talking about Shannon. And Katie's like, I sent her a text.

[Unknown]

And Heather's like, yep, she showed me.

[Ronnie Karam]

She showed me your text, which is okay somehow. Like, recording's not bad, but showing people private texts are okay. So Shannon is like, oh, oh, well, look over there.

[Unknown]

Heather is chatting with Katie like nothing happened. Are you kidding me?

It's like, oh, you know what, Katie?

[Ben Mandelker]

You have to fix this. You have to fix this.

[Unknown]

Can you go fix this?

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Katie's like, okay, I'll ask her to a chat. So they go. And they basically, they. They go up. Jen and Katie go up to Phil and Shannon, and Katie's like, hi. Hi, I'm.

[Unknown]

I'm Katie.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you are sir with the teeth.

[Unknown]

What's your name?

Hello, I'm Phil from Bel Air.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, wow. That's very interesting. I feel scared right now. I don't know why.

[Unknown]

Can we have a talk, Shannon?

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay.

[Unknown]

I am.

Okay.

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I am very, very, very, very, very sorry.

[Unknown]

I didn't mean to hurt you in any way.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have no excuse, except that I just wanted to bring laughter into the lives of many people by recording you, that's all.

[Unknown]

Oh, what? You know, you sent me a text and you were giving me excuses, and that is not an apology. What you did is illegal, legal, and I expect my privacy. That day where you videotaped me, I was upset. That was illegal.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't even remember what it was. I. I don't even remember what it was about.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that's none of your business.

[Unknown]

It's none of your business what that call was about.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you. You came in to the gallery shoot, and you were on your speakerphone.

[Unknown]

It was outside. I was outside?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, it was right next to our station.

[Unknown]

Is that your business? Your business? Is that your business?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you made it. You made it my business when you did it. I was on. In fact, I was on a business call with an investor investing in walkout tiny shot glasses. Well, isn't there a thing. Tiny shot glasses? Golf. Golf.

[Ronnie Karam]

I forgot the little golf buzz balls.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was getting an investor who was going to invest in shot glasses that were the shape of golf balls.

[Ronnie Karam]

Unfortunately, I was being told on call that I was being Sued for stealing his ID in the first place. Yeah, that didn't really happen.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I was one heartbeat away from Shark Tank. And then you walked in and disrupted everything. I mean, Barbara Corcoran basically hung up on me at that moment.

[Ronnie Karam]

I went from Shark Tank to Shark Tank, okay? And Shannon's like, well, you're on an.

[Unknown]

Important business call and get you hung up to record me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Which is a decent point, actually.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is a very strong point that.

[Unknown]

You are sitting here trying to defend yourself.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am apologizing.

[Unknown]

No, you're not.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, you're not. That's not an apology.

[Unknown]

That is not an apology. There's not one carbon site.

[Ben Mandelker]

Emily's, like, watching it.

[Unknown]

She goes, heather, it's your party, so I don't know if you want to intervene. Should we do it? You would intervene.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Shane's like, we should record it. Get it, get it.

[Unknown]

And Emily's like, that is hilarious, Shane. That is hilarious.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're getting anal tonight.

[Unknown]

So Shannon's like, nothing you say ever adds up, ever, Katie. And I'm going, I've gone to the bottom of the barrel with these women, and not once has anyone recorded me.

[Ronnie Karam]

And her fingers going in full, like, she buzzes it around. She points it in her face and buzzes it in a circle. And then she starts doing the conducting thing where she's like, not once I'm.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gonna say that you know about Shannon, because I guarantee Tamara and all of them have recorded you many times, and they laugh about it to themselves. Katie's like, well, it just. It went to my husband. Alexis never heard it, which we know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is a lie, because we know at the very least, she told. She sat and told Alexis all about it. So Katie does this thing where she likes, like, plays on technicalities, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And Shanna's like, oh, Katie, I, I act. I, I, I, I, I, I worry about your mental state. I really do.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, well, you're worried about my mental state.

[Ben Mandelker]

You, Shannon Beor. Shannon Bedor is worried about my mental state.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, she's the one screaming and yelling.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, you were the one.

[Unknown]

You were the one in Sonoma sitting with me, talking about the videos against me. And you decided after all that I've been through to video record me. Yes, I know what the technical term is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Video record.

[Unknown]

That's what she did. And no apology will ever make up for how you have violated me. I put you in the same category as John Jansen. Video recorders.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what you both are it's like, oh, really? So I sued you for 75 grand.

[Unknown]

Well, you.

[Ronnie Karam]

You were.

[Ben Mandelker]

You. You.

[Unknown]

You recorded me.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you're in their category.

[Unknown]

You're like a Category 5 hurricane storm. Sorry, Earl. That was for you. I was trying to do a little makeup. Makeup session for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

There you go.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, no, I'm not.

[Unknown]

Can I talk? Can I talk?

[Ronnie Karam]

You're the one talking over me. So she. Shannon gets in her full ponytail. Drunken anger gets upset.

[Unknown]

Let me make this clear. I can't eat you now. I will never, ever speak to you again. You are the most evil, evil person I've met. She's trying to defend herself. She's insanity. I'm not gonna let you round me up. Not you. This girl was worse than Alexis Bellino. Worse than Tamara Judge. We're done. We're done.

I will not let you rile me up while I scream in this party and storm out. You will not rile me up.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then she storms out and Kitty goes. She left her grilled cheese.

[Ronnie Karam]

Great episode. So it was a great Housewives week. Very good week for the Housewives, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. We sure love you guys. We'll talk to you next week.

[Ben Mandelker]

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