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Ronnie
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Ben
Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.
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Ronnie
Alright, well, Elizabeth from Berkeley said, Drew, you seemed upset that Shamiya and Portia went out to eat with Ralph. And is that hypocritical when Portia felt it was wrong for you to shoot with Dennis. And Drew's like, well, I mean, you sat there and you kiki'd with someone who is publicly humiliating me. Unless we're making steak together who you have seen as behavior. Portia and I came to your birthday party when we filmed your spin off. Remember I went to a birthday party. I mean, you had free food, but I still went. And so we see a clip of her going, and she's like, you know, cause I cried to you about how Ralph left me. And Portia's like, yeah, but I thought it was fake. So that's why I thought it was okay to do this.
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Ben
Portia was super. Portia and Shamia both were super shitty for doing this. I mean Ralph is who's like stalking her. You know, he had the hidden cameras, he had the cheating, he had the all the that he's saying online, the coming for her mom. He's doing really nasty to her. And so yeah, it would have been more equal if it was Drew bringing Simon on screen, not Dennis.
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Ronnie
Well, Porsche, Porsche says like, well, I can't get up. I keep up with you guys, the lies and you with you and him. Like all you're saying is, I don't know, like you guys, you guys lie. Which I think is fair actually, because you cannot tell with the lies with Drew And Ralph. But also, I think that this is the moment where Portia should, like, go back to what she said in an earlier episode of the Reunion when she said, yeah, I was just being messy. That's it. I just was being messy because you were being messy, and I wanted to take a swipe at you, so I was being messy because that's the truth. That's the real truth. Like, yeah, you may not be able to keep up with the lies, but you also know that when you do that, you seed any sort of moral high ground you think you have about the whole Dennis and. And Drew thing. So just stop trying to be like, well, I was justified in doing that. Just say, you were being messy.
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Ben
Yeah. So por is like, well, I'm just saying, I think you guys are in cahoots when it comes to some of the drama you promote, which I think. I mean, I don't know, it seems like that when you're posting those Instagram videos. So then Andy's like, well, Brooke from Lynn Heights says, shamia, why did you set up Porsche to meet with Ralph? To get back at Drew. You didn't like her calling you a lap dog, but that was lap dog behavior. And Shamiya's like, well, I mean, you know, it was, but, you know, has she called me a lap dog the whole season? So. Okay, well, let me act like a lap dog then. You want to see a lap dog? Okay, so, yeah, it was that. It was.
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Ronnie
I don't believe this. That was a weird. But I did not, like, for some reason, I really did not like this response from Shamia. This seems like, like, you're gonna call me a lap dog, so fine, I'll be a lap dog. No, you didn't do that, like, as some sort of strident owning of. Of a criticism. You did it because you were being. You were being a sincere lap dog. You were not being lap dog. You were not being an ironic lap dog in that moment.
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Ben
You're being an actual lap dog.
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Ronnie
Don't try to take ownership of. Ownership of it after the fact. Like, this was some empowerment moment for you. It was not. You were. You were just being messy as Mel. As Portia.
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Ben
Yeah, so Angela Shimmy is like, yeah, you know, lap dog. Lap dog. So Angela's like, please don't talk about yourself like that. And Shamia's like, well, I mean, she keeps saying it, you know, and honestly, I just. I feel like I'm being a loyal friend like you were to her. And Angela's like, no, but, you know, like, she Goes, no, but I'm too big to sit on anybody's lap, so that's the difference. So they all laugh. And Kelly's like, well, I think we're all loyal friends. Oh, right. Okay.
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Ronnie
All right.
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Ben
You've been fighting for 13 hours now about shit that you did to each other.
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Ronnie
Andy says this, which I thought was funny. He goes, twitter said. True. This is the first time he just said. Just the whole platform. The whole platform. Twitter said, drew, in a recent interview, you admitted to spending sending flirty texts to Ty. Her ex also said that you both spoke for an average of 3,000 minutes a month. Is this the main reason why you're getting a divorce? And Drew is like, well, I mean, we have remained, you know, just, you know, we have remained to say that we are friends. And. But first of all, I think that if you do the math, 3,000 minutes or whatever is really not that much time. True. 3,000 minutes is literally a lot of time. Like three hour minutes. 3,000 minutes. How many hours is that? That's. What is that, five? It's 50 hours, you flounder.
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Ben
What are you giving me math?
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Ronnie
No, I wasn't. As a rhetorical. It was 3,000 divided by hours.
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Ben
Pat, you're so smart. I mean, I already knew that. I was just being silent because I was doing it on the calculator. But yeah, 50 hours, that's a lot in a month.
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Ronnie
50 hours is a lot in a month.
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Ben
And Phaedra, at first I was really impressed because Phaedra goes, well, that's about 10 minutes a day. And I was like, oh, my God, look at Phaedra with the on spot math. But no, it's not. If it's a month, it's 50 hours a month.
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Ronnie
That's like talking for 90 minutes every day. Basically. A little bit more than that in. In a 31 day month. I'd like to add in a 30. In a 30 day month. I mean, we're just. Those stats are just skyrocketing.
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Ben
You guys can't. You can't do this. You know what happened?
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Ronnie
You're getting close to two hours at that point you're doing. But the point is, like, that's a lot. Like, I hate talking on the phone. I have some friends who are like, they're like, ben, why don't you ever call? And I'm like, well, first of all, the phone goes two ways. But also, I don't want to encourage you to call me because I don't like talking on the phone. I hate talking on the Phone. I just want to text and send little dms, but I have certain friends.
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Ben
That I'll talk to, and then I talk. I mean, I do talk on the phone quite a bit, but I can't do it with everybody.
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Ronnie
You know why I don't think I like talking on the phone? I think because what we do right here is, like, gabbing on the phone. Like, we're just sitting here gabbing, like. And then she said that. I don't like that. And you're like, yeah, I liked it. What? But I didn't like it. Well, I liked it. Yeah.
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Ben
Yeah. I mean, I have to have meetings with my friend, not meet. You know, I have to have specified times where we talk on the phone because, yeah, today I'm not going to talk on the phone. But, you know, on lighter days, I'll do my three hours with my bestie and stuff. But, yeah, I can't do it every day. So Shamia's like, wow, I'm married, and I don't even talk to my husband for 3,000 minutes. And Drew's like, did we see a receipt on that? I mean, people can throw things out, but does that always make it true? And Andy's like, well, okay. And then who is black and are you dating him?
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Ronnie
He's a friend.
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Ben
Friend. Now, like I said before, he owns the number one hookah company in the country, and I am here to give everybody a free hookah. Everybody get the freedom. And he's like, you know, that makes it look like you're banging him because you are now promoting his things. Like, he has lots of friends.
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Ronnie
This is. This is almost as bad of a flex as when Kenya sort of dated the guy who had the rest, like, Kill Me Crazy. But I think he called it Kill Me Crazy. Yes. Kill Me Crazy opened in we. Oh for all of six months, and it closed, like, literally. It did not last even, I don't think, more than six.
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Ben
Well, they should have called. Tell me by your name if they're gonna open it in WeHo, you know, like, give us some gay.
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Ronnie
I know we need to have Misha on and do an episode about Kale Me crazy in. In WeHo. Talk about the big flop. Just talk about, like, the. The life and times of a fast, casual kale restaurant. But so then. So then Drew goes about and starts. You know, he starts. She starts basically handing out hookah gifts to everyone she gets out of one of these tiny little hookahs. Little baby hookahs or vapes, I should say. And no one looks particularly Impressed, you know?
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Ben
Yeah.
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Ronnie
Like, this is the Housewives, where you give out things that have diamonds on them. You don't give out things that you could find in, like, a store in Times Square.
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Ben
Drew's like, I'm dating a paperclip heir.
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Ronnie
Everybody here's a paperclip Drew handing out vapes or, like, little pipes as if this is, like, the height of luxury on Bravo is. Is so Drew Sedora. I mean, this is why I really vacillate between being like, oh, my God, I can't stand Drew. But also, like, I. I, like, love. I think Drew is so, like, has become the perfect housewife because she's so delusional and she's so. She's so. She's so upwardly mobile and yet very stagnant at the same time, you know?
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Ben
Yeah, okay, well, Massive from Cambridge says, drew, if you were dating someone, why don't you just come clean? And in order to shut down rumors about you wanting the hot dog, man? And she's like, oh, my God, Dennis is not my type. I mean, if you know my type, I mean, look at Ralph. I like flat headed men. Or, I'm sorry, triangle headed men with really good physiques. And Portia's like, yeah, black's. Black's not all that either, baby. It's like, oh, now you're coming for my friend. Now you're calling my hookah friend fat?
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Ronnie
She's like, well, you're coming for my friend. She's like, and he's like, well, if you were dating someone, would you bring them on the show? Absolutely. And when I have a boyfriend, I will be so happy to share who that boyfriend is. And Portia's like, or a girlfriend. She's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And Portia's like, no, we know, honey. I know. Come on. So it's hard joking about, like, oh, bring them out, Bring them out, you know? So Andy's like, all right, well, Portia's.
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Ben
Been dating, too, and I have receipts. And she's dating a, like, an African guy in Buckhead. And Portia's like, oh, really? Well, you. We all know I love my Africans. That could be true. So next we move on to the husband.
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Ronnie
The boys.
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Ben
Here they come.
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Ronnie
The guys are here. Ralph. Ralph. This Ralph comes in and he's like, says hi to Cynthia. Don't sit next. Don't sit behind me. I don't want to be in the show. All right, welcome Back. Hey, guys. Well, this. This hodgepodge reunion continues with a scattering of men. We've got Dennis the hot dog guy, Ralph, and Charles Oakley.
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Ben
Cool.
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Ronnie
So he's like, so, Dennis, you and Portia are not even matching tonight. Portia's like, yeah, like, I sent you a picture. And Dennis. Dennis is wearing, like, a red plaid blazer. I actually kind of like it. Believe it or not, I wasn't. I wanted to hate it, but I secretly liked it.
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Ben
And then Andy doesn't like that Shamia's husband didn't come. And she's like, he's staying at home with our children. He's like, couldn't get a babysitter? And she's like, yeah, this isn't really his thing, Andy. So. And then we go to Charles, who's the enforcer, but he's just here to support his wife. Okay, guys.
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Ronnie
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So Angie's like, all right, let me start with Dennis. Can you clear this up? Did you talk to Portia about working with Drew? And he's like, we had a small conversation, but, you know, I talked to Ralph first because that's my brother. So I'd assume that Drew would handle this. Handle the woman side, you guys. You know, men can talk to women. We are allowed to do these things. You are allowed to tell the lady that is also your. The. The mother of your child, like your business dealing.
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Ben
You're.
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Ronnie
You are allowed to do this. The fact that he's like, yeah, I talked to. I talked to. I talked to Ralph, and I wanted Drew to tell Portia. I mean, that. What is. What sort of bullshit is this? This classic Dennis. I forgot how slippery he is, too. Like a boiled hot dog himself.
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Ben
Boys talk to boys and girls talk to girls. And Forrester's calling him out. She's like, oh, really? Oh, really? So you. You didn't talk to Drew? And he's like, well, you know. And she goes, so you're saying that you asked me about it? And he goes, well, we talked about working together. She goes, and you told me. And he's like, well, we didn't have an in depth conversation because I felt like it was Drew's place to clear that up because, you know, boobs. You know, only you have boobs. She has boobs. So Drew's like, but you told me you talked to Portia because I was expressing to you that I was trying call Portia and have a conversation. And you said, we had a conversation. And she's good.
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Ronnie
All right, well, Dennis, when you. When you confronted About. When confronted about mentioning that Drew wanted to sleep with you in exchange for music, which is the saddest and decent proposal of all time, sleeping with a hot dog guy to get a hit single, you kind of dodged up by owning by saying that. Like, did you tell Portia that Drew wanted to sleep with you? And so Dennis, like, no, absolutely not. I definitely did not. Support, like, what was the text? And Denn, he's like, no, the text read, I'm trying to get some money, and Drew wants to fuck me. That's all I wrote. So clearly, I don't know what you guys are hearing when I say that, but there was nothing about her wanting to have sex with me.
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Ben
And she's like. The text said, I'm trying to get money. I'm not trying to fuck. That's what the text said verbatim. And so Drew's like, yeah, but that, for the record, was not from me. And she goes, okay, well, now he's denying it, which is just basically kind of what we knew this whole season. And they're fighting over something. That's Dennis fault, basically.
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Ronnie
Yep.
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Ben
Dennis just hoped he wouldn't get called by trying to get attention off of yet another housewife. So he's like, well, you know, Ralph's my friend in real life, so to insinuate a music relationship outside of music is just ridiculous. And she's like, okay, well, then what you were responding to when you said, I don't want anybody. And he's like, I don't even know if the text said that. She's like, we just showed the texts.
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Ronnie
So. So Ralph's like, well, just exactly what Portia said. You know, I didn't know exactly what the relationship was, but to me, you know, it just became a little weird just because, you know, Drew had mentioned, like, that she was like, I don't know. Like, she was, like, trying to holler at her. So, like, I don't know. And Drew is like, no, I never did this. And Ralph's like, I promise. I promise and everything. That's what it said. I promise. She was trying to do that. She was like, no, you're not gonna come on here and start lying. He's like, no, no, no. I'm being totally sincere. I'm saying, I'm a good guy. Everyone, I'm Ralph America's favorite Ralph. I'm not gonna lie about. I would never lie. I'm Ralph. I never lie.
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Ben
So she's like, well, Dennis has never been inappropriate. I'm. I've never said that. To you. And he's like, you never said that. And she goes, yeah, so for you to say that out of your lying face, I cannot wait to make pancakes with you later on camera. And he's like, I don't like. I don't like. That's. That's one thing I'm not doing, Ralph. You lie all the time. Have you forgotten that you've been on camera for years lying now? Years, sir.
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Ronnie
You come on. Come on, Ralph. You come on here, and you got dressed up at all in your white. You got your fade clean. You know, you want to come here for the cameras, and every time you come here, do the same thing. You lie, and then you play victim. It's not cute, bro. And if you're. Don't. If you don't quiet up soon, I'm gonna have to sing a song to your face again.
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Ben
Oh, God, I wish she did. Basement. You're in the basement with my heart. So she's like, get. Oh, you're gonna get all this smoke. That's what you came here for. And he's like, all right, come on. Come on.
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Ronnie
I love when she goes, I want her to do that more.
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Ben
So.
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Ronnie
So Andy's like, dennis, do you see yourself getting back together with portia? All of 0 people in America care about this. And Dennis is like, I mean, you know, I really love Portia, and she's back on the market, so you never know. And they're like, ha. I'm like, please, no more Dennis. Please.
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Ben
So what does he feel? That he's friends with Gerald and that shimmy and Porsche have trouble. And he's like, well, you know, I stay out of women's business. Which is hilarious, because he's literally starting women's business drama to get on TV all year. But he's like, you know, Gerald has a penis. So I talk to him, but I stay out of the women's business because they'll probably be friends tomorrow, so I'm.
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Ronnie
Not getting into that. True. Yeah, sort of true, too.
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Ben
So then what about the allegations that he took a Brit on a date and bought her a chain and also slid into Kelly Kelly's dms? And he's like, okay, well, I heard what Kelly said, but she didn't say the other half, but that's all good. And she goes, what was the other half? And he's like, well, you know, Brit was a long time ago, before I was running around with Portia. And Shamir's like, no, what was the other half? And Kelly's like, yeah, I'm still waiting. And he goes, well, I'm a gentleman, so that's all good. She goes, oh, stop it. Let's be clear. We never did anything or talked on the phone. You might have called once or twice and Angela's like, that is talking on the phone. And he's like, yeah, you said you never talked on the phone. She's well, once or twice. I mean, like, he called me like, are you outside? No, I'm inside. You know, stuff like that. And Andy's like, what does that mean?
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Ronnie
Yeah, it basically was like on a business level, they coordinated some things, like, oh, I'm here. So then why. That's fine. But then why did you go on camera and act like he crawled into your DMs if, like they're relationship. Yeah, your relationship. Yeah, coordinating like chafers or something, you.
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Ben
Know, I mean, look, here's just another example of Kelly. You know, you're up here, you're with Dennis, and you look like the untrustworthy one now, and that's crazy. That is extreme untrustworthiness. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.
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Ronnie
Now by joining Wondry plus well, Ralph Drew revealed that she found out about you bringing a woman into the basement, and the woman has a manifesto. How do you feel about that? Are you joining her? Cause he's like, no, that's not even true. It's not. She's like, really? It's not true? No, it's not true at all. Okay. There never was a woman, but there was a woman. And. Okay, so she came to the house, but she only came through the gate. But she didn't come into the house, but she came into the house. I mean, she came to the basement, but she wasn't in the house. She was outside, but in the basement and upstairs too. And I brought her around the kids, but I never brought around the kids. Stop saying I'm a liar.
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Ben
And Andy's like, so she was outside with Kelly. Looks pretty good. Ralph's like, no, no, no. It wasn't that. You know, we're working on a fitness program. You know, it was about fitness programs of stepfathers who adopt their stepsons.
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Ronnie
So they call me daddy in the kitchen.
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Ben
Yeah, it was just about that with the kindergarten.
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Ronnie
Let me just say this. Let me just say this. If someone wants to twinkle something on the keys, okay? When these cameras are off, you know you love me, Drew. You know what I'm saying? And you got this. You got this on camera, off camera thing, and that's really confusing me. And at the end of the day, man, I love you. I'm not here to be your enemy. I just want to make sure we raise beautiful kids on camera.
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Ben
I just don't understand why every time I just try to be a good person and then Drew drags me out here to make me look like liar or a bad person. It's just me, Ralph, who only wants to be good. Good to women, good to families. Me, Ralph, the good one.
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Ronnie
I'll make love to you like you want me to. I'll be by your side. I'll write you a manifesto. Come on, Drew. Take me back.
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Ben
So Shamia's like, well, we were mad at you before you came out. And Andy's like, yeah, we saw you feeding Drew's steak. And he's like, well, that's how we are when there's no cameras. You know, that's how we are. We're just happy, you know, Choo choo steak into her mouth. You know, I hashtag things, Daddy. That's just how it is.
- [25:47]
Ronnie
Drew's like, I mean, those are great words, and I appreciate it, but, like, you know, I would also love it if you could back up those words, because, like, the energy that, you know, that I have because of the press tour that you've been on, that's where my energy is coming from. Because you've been tweeting things about my mom and my dad and even my cous.
- [26:00]
Ben
Michael Jordan.
- [26:01]
Ronnie
And, like, I mean, there's not been an apology. And Ralph's like, yeah, but you hugged me. You hugged me, which shows that you're not really mad about the fact that I said your mom used to keep her mouth shut. And. And he's like, but do you want to Maybe apologize. Have you. Apologize? Are you going to apologize? He's like, no. I mean, I will. I mean, I was there. Look, I was there when they were in a place where they lost everything, and I was like, I was there to pick up the pieces. And I.
- [26:22]
Ben
As.
- [26:23]
Ronnie
I. My. As I always told my children, when someone loses everything, you go onto Twitter and you say, shut your mouth about you complaining about me because I helped you. That's what the. That's what the noble thing is to do.
- [26:35]
Ben
And Cynthia's like, well, I would like to add, ralph, be mindful of what you put on social media because it brings everybody else into it. So just say that. Countertops. Hashtag, call me countertops.
- [26:48]
Ronnie
She's really bringing some, like, big fortune cookie cookie energy. Be careful, because it may come around.
- [26:55]
Ben
It cracks me up every time they cut to Cynthia, they're like, cynthia, please just sit there and nod your head and say wise things every once in a while. She's like, okay, got it. Got it.
- [27:03]
Ronnie
I got this. So Ralph is. Ralph is basically like, well, I used to have a beautiful relationship with. With Drew's mom, and I want to get back to there, and I will apologize. I will.
- [27:13]
Ben
Okay.
- [27:13]
Ronnie
It was the easiest thing to. How about just don't say it in the first place?
- [27:16]
Ben
So now we move to Charles. So how does he think Angela did? And he's like, you know, she did great. She cried a couple of times, but just. Just, you know, like I said, honey, you know, you jumped in the pool. You got to know how to swim. And he's like, okay, well, there it looks like you hate your wife on tv, so what's that about? You look like you hate her guts. What was that about?
- [27:40]
Ronnie
Yeah, and he's like, well, you know, I'm her husband, and I, you know, I give her back, and, you know, I have her back through thick and thin, but I'm just like, not. I'm not someone who, like, really likes to show that shit, like, whatever, you know?
- [27:53]
Ben
And so Andy's like, well, people didn't know you were married, so what's up with that? Are you hiding your wife? And he's like, no, I don't hide my wife. I don't know. I don't know who's married either. I hear it all the time. So you don't hide her, but you don't tell anybody that you're married? Is that what you're saying? And he's like, well, a lot of people, they don't know me, but they, you know. You know, shamia I just met for the first time on the show, but she said she was at Dominique wedding and I was there. And she goes to me is like, well, I met you several times. He goes, where? She goes, well, you might not know me. I mean, obviously you're a legend, but, you know, you're at Nick's wedding. And he goes, but you didn't meet me. I was there, but that's not meeting me.
- [28:30]
Ronnie
He kept saying this to everyone. And I. I love that his energy was like, just like, who are you people? He's like, why are we. Why are you talking to me right now? I'm just here because my wife asked me to. I don't need this bullshit. Please stop trying to come for me because I can destroy all of you and I don't need any of you. And I really don't care what you say about me.
- [28:50]
Ben
I think it's annoying that he's like, no, you don't really know me. So what? You met me. That doesn't mean you know me. She said she met you. She doesn't said she know you. Like, why are you acting like it's like, it's this huge thing to have met you before? He's like, you've never met me. How dare you?
- [29:04]
Ronnie
Because he's probably dealt with like, a lot of fakers who are like, oh, my God. Like, you know, you meet someone once and they're like, oh, my God, I'm. I'm totally friends with Charles Oakley. And he's like, I don't know you. But in this case, it was that what was actually funny is that he. He was actually wrong because they show pictures of him. Like, pictures of him and Shamia, like they. At a wedding. So they definitely did meet.
- [29:22]
Ben
Or him and Gerald, right?
- [29:24]
Ronnie
Yeah, well, no, there's both. Well, I think Shamia was in one of the pictures, I think. But either way, I did, like, I just liked how flummox they were by him because it's like the, like they're trying to be like, well, we know each other and he's just like, we were in the. We were in a room together, but we didn't actually meet. They, like, didn't know how to deal with it. And they were all kind of like stumbling, like, but, but, but, but, but we know you. It's like, no, I don't remember you.
- [29:49]
Ben
So me, I was like, well, I met you at my party and I met your husband, you know, NBA at the game. And I said, hey, but I never said something like, I met you But I don't know you or something like that. She goes, but I wasn't digging at you. And I'm just like, well, I felt like it was a dig because you said, all these years I knew Charles, I never knew he had a wife. So I'm like, how could you know he's married if he doesn't know you? And Shamia's like, but I have met him. And she goes, okay, but you don't know him. And she's like, okay. So Andy says, charles, do you remember meeting Phaedra? And he's like, no. So Phaedra. Phaedra's asked where they met, and she's like, well, I mean, I've been in several rooms with him. And he's like, okay. So one of those rooms could have been a bathroom. What do I know? I don't know her. I do not know this person.
- [30:34]
Ronnie
She's like, not in the same bathroom. So Charles is like, I don't know. I don't care. So Phaedra's like, well, I know share very well. Well, and I remember when y' all were a couple at one point, which somehow I actually didn't know that, by the way. He's like, yeah. He's like, okay, we were a couple. That doesn't mean you know me, though. I mean, me and sh Were a couple. And Paige was like, I know you were a couple. She goes, well, why do people say they know us personally? Because I know Charay. She's like, what I'm saying is, I have been in your presence on numerous occasions. He's like, where? With Charay.
- [31:08]
Ben
So, Angela, basically, why is the conversation whether I'm married or not, like, everyone here wants to know about me. Well, what about you all? I'm the only husband here. Where yalls husbands at? Where y' all husbands?
- [31:20]
Ronnie
That was great. I mean, actually, it got away from the point, which was that, like, okay, Phaedra may have met Charles or may have known about Charles, but she did go on camera acting like she goes way back with Charles and never. And he never talks about having a wife. And, like, they all kind of, like, spoke like they had more proximity to him than they really do. And so that's why he's like, what's wrong with you people?
- [31:40]
Ben
Well, I think a lot of what they're saying, because even Angela, when she. Angela and Charles right now, when they talk about their marriage, which is coming up, but when they. I think everybody's saying, like, this Charles is cheating and doing all sorts of stuff around Town, like, and then you. You meet Angela, and she's, like, bragging that she's his wife or whatever. And you're like, oh, Charles Oakley. Like, I've been around Charles Oakley and nobody. Like, if someone says, I've been around this person, and you would never know they have a wife, that is. Insinuates that that person's been, like, in the streets. Right? Which I think was the insinuation, which is what he's getting at. He's like, so what is this conversation? But no one's gonna say because he's too famous. I think no one is gonna just say, well, you've clearly been cheating on her over and over again for years, sir. That's why we're saying it. Like, what are you not understanding? It's not about trying to pretend that we're your best friends. We're saying Angela's acting like she has this happy marriage when her husband's bleak, blatantly cheating on her for all of these years in public. Right?
- [32:35]
Ronnie
Yeah. And, like, he's too famous. And he also clearly doesn't want to play any games. So they're, like, a little, like. They're sort of like, don't know how to approach him. Which is. I think. I think that's the articulation of. Of why I was amused. Because they didn't, like, they know how.
- [32:46]
Ben
They can do it. They didn't have the guts to do it. They had the guts to insinuate it. But when it came down to it, they're like, I'm saying nothing. Okay, thank you.
- [32:54]
Ronnie
But. And you know what I thought was genuinely funny was when Charles was like, where's. Where are all your husbands? And Portia's like, I actually genuinely don't know where my husband is. So then Andy asks about Charay, and I guess they did it back in 2005, like, a long time ago. So it was pre Charade, even on Bravo.
- [33:16]
Ben
And Angela's like, and Sheree's not desperate and doesn't pretend like she's still with my husband like other people. And Abby's like, okay, well, you know, a lot of people talking about the outside baby. Let's talk about outside babies. And he's like, where else do you have babies? I mean, if you had a baby and it stayed inside, it would never grow up. And if it did grow up, it would kill the mother because you can't hold an adult in your stomach.
- [33:39]
Ronnie
Yeah, well, you know what? All this talk about babies. Where's everyone's babies? Like, okay, Charles So then he says he's just asking where things are. That's what he's gonna do from now on. He says that Wendy Williams had a cook off for charity, because this is Charles's thing. He cooks. He's like, wait, I can cook for 400 people. I'm in. So then Angela, he sort of retreads the whole story how Angela talked to Wendy, and then Wendy misinterpreted and brought it to her show and made it a whole big thing and turned the whole story around. And then Angela is saying, like, you know, like, yeah, Charles is a side baby, and the story's out there. And by the way, Charles, tell them about the time Wendy invited you over for dinner. And he's like, oh, yeah. She was like, you want to come over, have some wine? But she had a cat, and I was allergic to cats, so I couldn't go, that's the story.
- [34:28]
Ben
And answer's like, wait, so if she had it, she didn't have a cat. You would have went. And he's like, well, I'm. I drink wine, so. And she's like, but you're saying you would have gone on a date? And he goes, well, I would have had a glass. Glass of wine. And is that a date? Is that a date? And he's like, I mean, I don't know. And he's like, I said I would have a glass of wine. And she goes, but that's a date. He goes, okay, then whatever you want to call it. She goes, oh, God. Well, Angela, you brought up the story.
- [34:55]
Ronnie
Why is she bringing up a story that she's like, oh, tell him that good story. And she's acting like she's never heard it before.
- [35:02]
Ben
I think it keeps backfiring. I think she wanted him to be like, yeah, she's coming after me like, I had all these sad babies. But then she's trying to date me. But then it turns into like, I would have gone.
- [35:14]
Ronnie
So then Andy asks about Mass Square Garden, and they talk about how that, you know, he. Charles talks about how he was really frustrated with that, and they say it was a strain on the relationship. But then they started therapy, and it's been really helpful. And he's just, like, really happy that Angela stayed strong with him.
- [35:31]
Ben
And then Shamir was interesting, I thought, because the way they phrased it, she said, okay, he got kicked out of Madison Square Garden. And this is a man with a gigantic ego. And I think he started with all these other women. You know, there were all these other women because he needed to feed his ego, basically. So she's like, so I was out of there. Which kind of goes back to lending the things that the other ladies were saying. It lends it credence, right?
- [35:59]
Ronnie
So then Shamia tries to be funny, and she's like, well, so just to be clear, you would take Wendy Williams for a glass of wine, not Wendy the therapist. And they put this poor therapist up on screen, like, can you not make this lady the butt of a joke when she's here just trying to help you two people, like, you know, figure out their emotional states. I like Charles, Wendy the therapist.
- [36:17]
Ben
I like that Charles. You get it at all? And he goes, no, they're two different people.
- [36:22]
Ronnie
He really did not get it.
- [36:24]
Ben
Like, you think I'm going to Wendy Williams for therapy? Really?
- [36:29]
Ronnie
He's like, but Wendy the therapist does have a cat, in case you didn't see her photo, in case it wasn't clear from her photo.
- [36:37]
Ben
So basically, they're talking about going to therapy and how much it helps. And so Andy's like, okay, before I let the guys go, anyone else want to say or clear up anything else from the season? And Kelly's like, well, I would like to know what my ex husband told you. Ralph. You know, getting on Ralph for apparently hanging out with this dude. And he's like, well, I mean, you know, circumstances of your divorce, you know, I was nothing else to share. She's like, I appreciate that.
- [37:04]
Ronnie
I appreciate what you appreciate. What did he say? Well, how could. How could that response ever, like, engender appreciation? She's like, and let me just tell you this. I think it's amazing that you drew that. You still have a man and a husband that wants to take care of his children. I don't have that. Just a reminder that I don't have a man in my life. I only have these bangles, and that's it. Okay, so I'm the real victim here, everyone. Anyone want to pay attention to me? Yeah.
- [37:29]
Ben
Kelly's like, I may not have a lot in this reunion, but I do have the worst divorce of the season. Can we cement that? Thank you.
- [37:36]
Ronnie
Yes. Can we lock that in, please?
- [37:41]
Ben
So Ralph putting my Kelly bangle makes it through a reunion by looking like the best guy up there. So thanks a lot, ladies. Ralph's a piece of crap. Okay.
- [37:50]
Ronnie
No, I thought Charles came off the best. I thought Charles came off better than Ralph did.
- [37:55]
Ben
Yeah, but I mean, they're making. They're making Ralph seem like a hero after all of this. Charles, it was just weird.
- [38:01]
Ronnie
Women perplexed it was weird that the women were kind of, like, nice to Ralph. They were like, well, that. Thank you.
- [38:08]
Ben
Yeah. So, okay, bye, guys. Get out of here. So now we're backstage and, you know, just, like, some wacky backstage stuff. Shamia passes Charles and she's, you know me, right? And he goes, now I do, like, not amused. And then we go back to the reunion. And we're back.
- [38:28]
Ronnie
Yeah. I want to end by talking about your time. And Drew is like, well, you know, for me, most definitely, like, the thing that made me happy, being in a better place with Portia, because I think today we hurt each other, but, like. And we found our way back to some apologies and some healing. So I appreciate the accountability and the grace that we're extending to one another. And if I ever were to write a manifesto, it would be about my love for Portia. Thank you very much, America.
- [38:55]
Ben
And Kelly's like, well, you know, this group of girls, I mean, we're just going through a journey. And I really hope and pray for Shamia and P. Because, you know, I had a friendship like this with Brit, and You were friends with Brit for five minutes. Can we not.
- [39:13]
Ronnie
Yeah.
- [39:14]
Ben
She's like, I had the other main relationship in this show that went sour this season. And as someone on the other side of it, I hope you two can make it, because I'm still crushed by my best friend of all time, Brit, who I knew for three years.
- [39:26]
Ronnie
Don't do as I say before film. Don't do as I do. Let me be an example to everyone here about divorce and friendship. I died for your sins. Everyone.
- [39:40]
Ben
Yeah. Phaedra had the best two weeks ever. She had the best trip she's ever had. So they all cheer for that. And then Angela's turn, and. And Angela, you know, she really is grateful for her fangelas, and she just was grateful she got to shoot with her mom, because that's a cool thing to always have. And then, yeah, Cynthia, give us some guidance, Cynthia. And she's like, well, I just. I didn't know what I was expecting to come back, but it has been great. Nodding a lot.
- [40:12]
Ronnie
And I want to say shout out to all the fanthias, or should I call them Cynthians? Cynthia and army, rise up. Thanks so much, everyone.
- [40:25]
Ben
So Shamia is like, well, I was so open with my feelings, and I hope that moving forward, you will all go to my Instagram to watch an apology video that has tinkly piano music on it. And he's like, okay, Portia, you've got 20 minutes for your final monologue and she gets it.
- [40:44]
Ronnie
I've. I've had rough seasons on this show before, but none of this transformative. I mean, honestly, to be able to sit and watch yourself, not be at your best, I don't blame anyone but me, but mainly Shamia too. And honestly, I don't even blame myself. I pretty much blame Shamia. But I have to say, as a woman sitting up here with other divorcees and I think arguably having the worst divorce this season, we can. We can all agree. Sorry, Kelly. I just have to say thank God that I'm sitting here with my right mind and, you know, to Shimia. I really hate the wheat the way the season went. I hate that you got so swallowed up by fame that you became awful. I continue to love you and your daycare stealing mother. I continue to cheer for you. Maybe not your mother's daycare, but I cheer for you. So I put a button on that by saying, I love everybody that are on these couches except for Shamia. Yeah.
- [41:33]
Ben
She goes, oh, and also I brought a fan so we can teach Andy to fan dance. And so they do like a line dance with Andy and that's it. And then Andy twerks, which, Yeah, I don't know that anybody needed that, but wow, what a season.
- [41:49]
Ronnie
Some real boots on the ground. Yeah. This.
- [41:53]
Ben
Yep.
- [41:53]
Ronnie
It's over.
- [41:55]
Ben
It's over.
- [41:56]
Ronnie
It's over.
- [41:57]
Ben
We did it, everybody. We did it.
- [41:59]
Ronnie
I think looking back now, we realize this actually could have just been one super size reunion. One episode, one precise episode, and we could have been in and out, but it's done. And, you know, I'm looking forward to next season. I think that they put some good building blocks in there, and I think we're going to. I think. I think we're just, you know, these. It's re. It's a re. Rebuilding season for. For Atlanta. It's like our favorite sports teams that sometimes you have a championship team and sometimes you just have a rebuilding season. That's where we are looking forward to seeing what happens next time around.
- [42:35]
Ben
All right, everybody, thanks for being with us. We'll talk to you next time.
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Ronnie
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Ronnie
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Ben
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Ronnie
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Ronnie
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Ben
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Ronnie
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Ben
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Ronnie
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Ronnie
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Ben
We cannot tell a lie. It's Sarah tell of son Shannon out.
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Ronnie
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Ronnie
Cootar.
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Ben
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