#2948 Crappy Hour 7/28/25: Jax’d Off with Guest Misha Brown

Summary

Watch What Crappens Episode #2948: Crappy Hour 7/28/25 – "Jax’d Off" Featuring Misha Brown

In the latest episode of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the tumultuous world of Bravo TV, dissecting the latest scandals, firings, and dramatic turns within popular reality shows. Joined by special guest Misha Brown from The Big Flop, the trio navigates through controversies surrounding personalities like Jax Taylor, George Santos, and Sheena Shay, offering sharp insights and unfiltered opinions.

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Opening the Crappens Discussion

The episode kicks off with Ben and Ronnie expressing their relief and excitement over recent developments in the Bravo universe. Ben shares his satisfaction with Jax Taylor's firing from The Valley, a move he believes signals a shift towards prioritizing the audience's interests. He states, "Jax is gone. Ding dong, the Jax is dead. What say you?" (08:53), highlighting the hosts' unreserved disapproval of Jax's actions.

Guest Introduction: Misha Brown

Introducing Misha Brown, Ben and Ronnie commend her for her crystal-clear audio quality, equating her presence to that of other polished Bravo stars. Misha engages in the conversation, bringing fresh perspectives to the table. She candidly discusses her love-hate relationship with Jax Taylor, acknowledging his role as a "whole mess" yet recognizing the entertainment value he brings. "I think he's aware of who he is and he's playing that villain character pretty well," Misha remarks (09:28).

Jax Taylor’s Controversial Exit

A significant portion of the episode centers on Jax Taylor's tumultuous departure from his Los Angeles bar, Jax’s Studio City. The hosts and Misha dissect the reasons behind his exit, debating the authenticity of his reported need for rehab. Ben expresses skepticism about Jax's claims, pointing out inconsistencies in his behavior: "I don't believe he went to rehab because his pupils never changed. And he continued screaming and yelling and sweating all over everybody this morning." (12:00) Ronnie adds, "I don't think he could be fixed at this point," emphasizing doubts about Jax's commitment to genuine recovery (10:14).

Misha further elaborates on Jax's aggressive tactics, describing how he targets others to divert attention from his flaws. "He irreparably couldn't get this thing off of him," she concludes, underscoring Jax's inability to change despite multiple opportunities (18:37).

Impact on Jax’s Business and Reputation

The discussion shifts to the repercussions of Jax’s actions on his business ventures. Ronnie humorously mocks the superficiality of Jax’s bar, "it's just like a back room with some, you know, fake succulents and a beer tap," (15:20), illustrating the trivial nature of his business operations. The trio speculates on the potential long-term effects of Jax’s behavior, both on his career and personal life.

Broader Bravo Scandals and Updates

Beyond Jax, the hosts and Misha touch upon other significant events within the Bravo ecosystem:

• George Santos's Downfall: Misha comments on Santos's inability to maintain his image, leading to his financial and legal troubles. "George Santos beats Katy Perry," she asserts (04:17), indicating his greater public failure compared to pop stars.

• Real Housewives of Atlanta: The conversation turns to Kenya Moore's departure from the show. The hosts speculate on the reasons behind her exit, linking it to ongoing scandals and legal threats from co-star Brit Morin. Ronnie muses, "I think they will have her back though because every, the audience was firmly anti Brit," (23:28), suggesting that Bravo might reintroduce Kenya with new cast dynamics.

• Sheena Shay’s Memoir: A substantial segment is dedicated to Sheena Shay’s controversial new book, "Be Your Own Bestie," where she spills secrets about her time on Vanderpump Rules. The hosts critique her revelations, particularly her claims of scripted moments and orchestrated confrontations. Ben sarcastically responds to Sheena’s accusations, "Sheena looks so excited. That was Sheena's breakout moment in TV," (38:26), mocking her narrative of victimhood.

Backstreet Boys Performance and Nostalgia

Injecting a lighter note, the hosts reminisce about attending a Backstreet Boys concert, praising the nostalgic performances and the positive reception from the audience. Misha shares her initial apprehensions about the performance being cringy after years but ultimately praises the band: "They were really good," (06:31). This segment showcases the hosts' ability to balance heavy discussions with moments of genuine appreciation for entertainment.

Personal Reflections on Reality TV Lives

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie reflect on the personal lives of reality TV stars, expressing empathy for their children and the real-life consequences of their parents' fame. Misha adds, "These are people in their 40s. They're full-grown adults... but they do have real children who did not make those choices," (15:15), highlighting the often-overlooked impacts of fame on family dynamics.

Concluding Thoughts and Call to Action

As the episode nears its end, the hosts briefly touch upon Bethenny Frankel's recent activities and upcoming political endorsements, maintaining the show's characteristic blend of satire and genuine commentary. Ben humorously references Bethenny's attempt to shift her summer plans to Florida: "She's trying to make Florida happen because she got a place in Florida," (32:34), poking fun at her efforts to stay relevant.

The episode wraps up with a nod to Misha’s future endeavors, including her upcoming book release, "Be Your Own Bestie," slated for February 2026. Ronnie and Ben express their support, encouraging listeners to follow Misha on social media and stay tuned for her book launch (30:37).

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Notable Quotes:

• "Jax is gone. Ding dong, the Jax is dead." – Ben Mandelker (08:53)
• "I think he's aware of who he is and he's playing that villain character pretty well." – Misha Brown (09:28)
• "He irreparably couldn't get this thing off of him." – Misha Brown (18:37)
• "George Santos beats Katy Perry." – Misha Brown (04:17)
• "Sheena looks so excited. That was Sheena's breakout moment in TV." – Ben Mandelker (38:26)

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Conclusion

Episode #2948 of Watch What Crappens delivers a comprehensive and engaging exploration of the latest Bravo TV dramas. With insightful commentary from hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam, complemented by Misha Brown's outsider perspective, listeners are treated to a no-holds-barred analysis of the reality TV landscape. From firings and personal scandals to behind-the-scenes machinations, the podcast remains a must-listen for fans eager to stay informed and entertained by the ever-evolving tales of Bravo’s most infamous stars.

Transcript

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Watch what happen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, hello and welcome to Crappie Hour. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben over there. Hello, Ben.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, Rondela. How are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. How's everything going over there for you, babe?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's great. It's great. It's another crappy hour. I'm excited. How's everything going over for you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. We just did an Amazon live and I gave myself a nice red light facial, so I'm feeling very relaxed and.

[Ronnie Karam]

As you should, at peace.

[Ben Mandelker]

At peace with the world. And you know what else really made me feel at peace? Jax is fired from everything. So I'm feeling so good. I feel like the universe is finally starting to pay attention to our audience. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

To the world feeling. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

But before we get into everything, we would like to introduce one of our friends, our pod friends. Fantastic podcaster. You guys have heard his podcast, I'm sure, and you've at least heard us on it. If you have any kind of goodwill. His name is Misha Brown. He is from the Big Flop. Hello, Misha.

[Misha Brown]

Hi, bestie.

[Ben Mandelker]

How are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my gosh.

[Misha Brown]

Roles of reverse. This time, pressure's onto our domain.

[Ronnie Karam]

You win the award. You win the award for literally the best camera we've ever had, like a guest have on crap ends. I've never had such a crystal clear, beautifully lit guest, so congratulations.

[Misha Brown]

Thank you so much.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you and Ben look like you could be kind of next to each other on the same set. I'm just somewhere random with sunlight.

[Ronnie Karam]

You look great too, Ron.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stop it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're nice little places. I'm like, yes, skin cancer.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's do this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Misha. It's good to talk to you, babe. What are your. What would you say are your flops? You. You celebrate flops. The big flop. So what would you say are your big flops for the summer so far?

[Misha Brown]

Oh, big flops for the summer. So listen, I caught a little bit of heat today, not gonna lie, because today's episode of the Big Flop is on Katy Perry. And so some of her fandom came for me a little bit, being like, she just got a. She just got Broken up with. And I was like, well, we did we before that got announced, to be fair.

[Ronnie Karam]

But that's very floppy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Fine with making people who just got dumped. She earned that.

[Misha Brown]

She earned Katy Perry.

[Ben Mandelker]

She earned it.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah, but honestly, like, I think the, the biggest flop though is. Is like she cannot sell that tour. Yeah, yeah. Live Nation reached out to me. They're like, do you. You please come. I was like, I'm not traveling to another city to go see Katy Perry for free even. Sorry. So, yeah, I think that's a pretty big flop. You know what was not a flop was Santos going into prison.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. What a great. What a great anti flop.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah, he's a flop.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Misha Brown]

What about you?

[Ronnie Karam]

What are your flops?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think that George Santos counts as a flop, don't you? Really tried it. Although he did come far for a flop who was a. He was a flop who like really gained a following, you know?

[Misha Brown]

Yeah. And a lot of money on Cameo.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. He reversed Katy Perried, you know, he sure is more of a flop because she's, you know, she was really famous. Now she's coming down and he's different because he was little and came up and is now going to jail, you know, so it's better George Santos beats Katy Perry. That's what I said.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I guess like flop for me. I guess, you know, I'll just like bandwagon and go for the Epstein files. Why not like flop.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah, all the way around.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no, I mean that non release.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of the Epstein files, man, I've been. I've been waiting for those things for years. Those things ain't never coming. Did you see today's plane? The files are not coming.

[Misha Brown]

Did you see today's little headlines that just. Just after the DOJ goes and talks to Ghislaine Maxwell, she's like, wait, we should read. We should talk about overturning my conviction, actually. And then Trump is like, he's like, I mean, maybe I'll think about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I did it for the Christie's. Hey, why not? I can do it for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I'm gonna unflop myself. Look, Santos is in. I should go. One in, one out, right?

[Misha Brown]

That's how it works. That's how it works.

[Ben Mandelker]

Speaking of flops and the Christie's getting out of jail. What's that their name? Chris the Christie. Yeah. Chris Lee's the Chrisley. Yeah, yeah. Them getting out of jail. Did you read that the husband, is it Chris Chrisley? What's his name?

[Misha Brown]

I think so. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it's like, oh, my wife coming out of jail. That look was a turn off. So that's what finally did it. That's what did it for you, huh? Oh, Brisley. What a little laugh.

[Ronnie Karam]

He probably had a great time in jail. Let's just. He probably.

[Ben Mandelker]

His wife came out of jail looking hot, by the way. I was like, yes. I mean, she looked like she could serve me lunch in the fifth grade, but also kick someone's ass. But also kind of hot. Like ride a motorcycle. I was into it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, good for her.

[Ben Mandelker]

What's her name? Dana. I don't know. I don't follow them.

[Ronnie Karam]

Dana. Chrisley. We'll just say it. Chrisley.

[Misha Brown]

Hey, Dana.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, Dana. She gives me Chrisley energy.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, it's not a flop because we were just talking backstage that you went to Backstreet Boys also. Yeah, a week or two before us, but we just went and we had the best time. That was reverse flop.

[Misha Brown]

Same. Loved it so much. That was like, you know what I was anticipating. I'm going to be completely honest. I was going strictly for the nostalgia factor, but I thought it was going to be a little cringy just based on how long it's been since we've performed and, you know, been a boy band together. But I thought they were really great.

[Ben Mandelker]

They did a great job.

[Ronnie Karam]

They were so good.

[Misha Brown]

They were really good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whole massage in the seats. Because the seats vibrated.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Misha Brown]

You know what I loved about it, too, was like, most of the audience was of a certain age, and so most of us were sad and loved that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I told Ben that because I had went. I'd gone to see Beyonce the night before, and there were only a couple of times we could take the anti sitting down break. You know, like, I call it, like the anti hour or whatever. But, man, in Backstreet Boys, we got to sit down for more than half of that show. I loved it sat.

[Misha Brown]

I was like, my back. My lower back is loving.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just watch videos, watch spaceships going through space. Peers like the wave. Big giant crashing waves over your head. Like, it was like being at the planetarium. We have an update, by the way, in the comments from CSBs who reminds us that the Chrisley's names are Todd and Julie and Chris is just our brain melding. Chris Christie with Chris with Todd. Chris using their minds.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whoever Dana Chrisley is out there feeling attacked, I'm so sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

The big flop is the three of us on our Chris. It's us.

[Ben Mandelker]

I hope there's not some lunch lady named Dana Crisley out there somewhere feeling extremely offended.

[Misha Brown]

Just like an avid Watch what Crappens fan. She's listening right now. Just like tears.

[Ronnie Karam]

Some lunch lady, they'll be like, hey, Dana, I heard that you were in jail and that you got a makeover.

[Misha Brown]

And that you looked great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I heard that you looked great.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, we have been. I have personally felt so unattacked by the world, you know, Like, I feel like lately the world is just not going our way. There's just so much going wrong in it. What do you mean? I won't get specific, but I mean the Chrisleys were let out, you know what I mean? Things like that. Dana Chrisley free again. Free to Dana and Chris people at lunchtime. But things have not been going well. But you know what? That bad luck turned the second we finished the last crappy hour almost. Jax was fired from the Valley. I don't care what they say, he did not take time off for rehab because he's not going to rehab. So if he took time off for rehab, he's not going to spend it wisely. I'll say that Jax is gone. Ding dong, the Jax is dead. What say you?

[Misha Brown]

You know what? I have such a love hate relationship with Jax because, I mean, he is a whole mess, right? We can all agree that he is a whole mess, but he also really makes good tv and I do love watching him. I think he's, I think he's aware of who he is and he's, you know, he's playing that villain character pretty well. But oh my God, here's how I think about it. I think that I would have loved to hate him if we were friends. Back in my party days, I just like grew up 14 years earlier than he did. I realized it wasn't after a certain.

[Ben Mandelker]

Age who doesn't love a friend with coke, right?

[Misha Brown]

I would have loved to fight with him, but you know, I think with this whole season I was kind of riding the fence with him on how I felt about this journey because I'm someone who gave up drinking and I'm sober. And I was like, okay, good for you that you're trying and you can see the steps and all of that. And I was just like, man, everything's coming at him from every different angle. And then I think when I watched him just hone in on Danny, I was like, oh, wait, there's the little child boy who hasn't grown up yet. So we're just the Same Jacks from 10 years ago. Nothing's really changed. Yeah, I'm. Same with you. I'm like, good. Some time away might be good for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I'm. I don't think it's even gonna be. I don't think. I don't think he could be fixed at this point. I really don't. I think that, like, he has never learned his lesson. He's gonna wind up finding an audience that's going to embrace him, and he's going to lean into narratives of cancel culture.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Anything anymore. And, like, what happened to when, like, a woman supported a man? He's gonna do that whole. Whole thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, it's so inevitable. His entire. His entire rehab journey just. Just felt like bs. Like, I just. I just never heard that you could be in frequent contact with. With people in rehab. I didn't know that was a thing. Believe it or not, I actually used. A weird corner of my career is that I used to write reviews for rehab facilities. Oh, my gosh. Did you know this, Ronnie?

[Ben Mandelker]

No. I'm trying. I'm going back in my Rolodex. Of all the things we've told each other over the years, remember that you don't even do anything. You don't have to explain drugs.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like. I was like a rehab travel writer. I would basically go on the website. I would call them up. I'd get information out of. Right. Blurbs that was like, this. Rehab offers these kind of services. You have to. You have no communication. They have. This is the food schedule. This is what amenities they have. I was like, I would do this, and I don't seem to remember any of them that were like, you get full access to your phone all the time. You know, none of them said that.

[Misha Brown]

I. I don't ever want to hear the phrase rage. Texting said that so many times, but he did. You saw the. You could see the little. Like, the little shots of her phone, and he was going for it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. The whole, like. I don't believe he went to rehab because he was taking calls. You know, I think that that's a fair point. I don't believe he went to REH because his pupils never changed. And he continued screaming and yelling and sweating all over everybody this morning. So that's why I didn't.

[Misha Brown]

She said, his forehead is greasy, his pores are greasy, his hair is greasy.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was my favorite part of the season, when she's like, I used to love him so much. Now this seems greasy. He's just so greasy. I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was such a great Epiphany. For her to finally see the grease, it's like she finally, like, it was. Everything was lifted. The mask was lifted, and all she saw was grease. So much grease. What we've been seeing for all these years on tv, she's finally found a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chicken wing she does not want.

[Ronnie Karam]

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Andy says, I'm very pleased with his decision. I think it's reading the room well. And I think the most important thing is that I hope that he can work on his issues and comes up. And this comes up at the reunion. He comes up at every reunion, Andy. It's every single reunion. He's been like, I'm changing. I'm changing. I'm so sorry, but I'm changing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. The problem with Jax Taylor is that that coming seems to be a constant problem for him. It gets him into trouble a lot. So when things do come up with him for sure, I. Yeah, like. Yeah, like. Well, he's good of this. I'm so proud of his. It's such a canned response from Andy to be like, oh, I'm so happy. I think he's gonna really work on himself. I'm happy. This is like he's doing this. It's like, I don't think Andy is actually sincerely happy. He just has to say that because he has to be, you know, friendly to all the Bravo stars.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I. I just think it's funny for me, it's like you quit a reality show that you started because reality starts catching up with you.

[Ben Mandelker]

And.

[Misha Brown]

I was looking at a lot of comments over this once, you know, we got our. We knew what we're going to be talking about today. And there are so many comments of people suggesting that he is faking this. And the only reason he's letting go of his name on the bar and stepping away from the show is so that Britney will have to pay him el.

[Ben Mandelker]

Alimony. Yes. Well, that's another thing. He wants to get alimony from Brittany. So if he is showing no income, then that's one way.

[Misha Brown]

What a trash reputation to have.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's going to do that way, though, because he's not making a ton of money from Jax's. He's. That's a licensing deal. You know, I don't have his financials in front of me, but he doesn't actually own that place. It's like some little. Have you been over there? I have not been over there because I have pride and taste. But no offense, if you've gone, but it's just a little back portion. Of Rocco's, a restaurant that's out there that they put a different sign on and let him sell some booze. So he maybe gets, like, a small percentage of that bar, but he's not making. He's not rolling a dough from that, in other words.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, and he may not be anymore, because the news is that Jax Taylor is stepping away from his Los Angeles bar, Jax's Studio City. And you know what's so funny? Just looking at it written out. Jax's Studio City. It looks like he probably reads that as like, this is my version of Studio City. Not like, it's not like it's Jax's located in Studio City. Jax's Studio City is like, yeah, this is my town. I own this place. That's the way he probably thinks.

[Misha Brown]

This is the heart of Studio City.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is my Studio City. But he has left it. He made the decision to terminate his partnership according to tmz. Yeah. He said it was a carefully considered and necessary step to prioritize his sobriety and mental health. You were fired from your own bar. We all know it. And if you get fired from Jax is. That's just. That's just sad at that point, because like Ronnie said, it's not even like a real bar. It's just like a back room with some, you know, fake succulents and. And a beer tap.

[Misha Brown]

Crazy. You know what I will say, I. I do jump on the bandwagon of, like, if Andy really meant his sentiments toward the situation, because I. I just always think about these people. Like, these are not next gen NYC cast members. These are people in their 40s. They're full grown adults. And, you know, that's all well and fine for them to, like, act like this on national television for themselves, but they do have real children who did not make those choices, but do have to deal with those real life consequences of mommy and daddy choosing to be reality stars.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You know, and I mean, look, I always feel for the kids, but I'm gonna feel for Jax's kids no matter what's happening, because they're. One thing that I really loved about the Jax news is I was thinking, well, we already got our good news about Jax being fired. Is that my good news for the year? You know, because I was still in kind of a negative place. And then the season finale of the Valley was on last week, and Jax was doing his whole attacking Danny, you know, coming for him and trying, you know, doing whatever he was doing to him. My gosh, Danny came out with his revelation. You know, Jax is fucking all, you know, employees from his bar. And I loved that Danny, who's really been coached by Nia the whole season to just keep your peace, Danny. Let him steal your peace. I love that he finally volleyed one back at Jax, and it could have gotten him fired. I mean, he got fired right after that. Yeah, they can take a lot. Like, they'll take a lot as long as it's famous. And we see the old guy, you know, who owns Rocco's or whatever, hanging out with Jax now, like, trying to be one of the group. We saw him on the season finale again. We saw him try to tell off the, you know, the group of friends. Like, you guys went in and took over his bar last night and put. Put Brit's name on it. Like, we saw him, like, standing up for Jax, so we know that that guy would actually be standing up for Jax. But now it's come to attack Rocco's business because you can't have that. That's sexual harassment, sir. So I really like that Danny ended up kind of getting one over on Jax in the end.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah, well, and I. It was. His behavior towards Danny was. I was. It came out of nowhere. It was just like he had his, like, sights set on him. It was wolf stalking his prey. It was. It was bizarre to me. And I was just like, okay, even if all of the things you saying are true, like, I just don't understand why we're spending so much energy on this.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a massive deflection. He just.

[Misha Brown]

Massive deflection.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He's like. He knows he has messed up, and he was just waiting to find someone else to drag down. I mean, it is truly like crabs in a bucket. And he. He, He. He heard that there was a talk about Danny, and he's like, I can go up to Danny, make him look worse than me, and then I won't be the worst guy here. Like, that's what he always done, and it just did not work this time. It really. He just. He couldn't. He couldn't get this thing off of him.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Beautiful. That. It happened on another season where he said, this is my show. You're on my show. He got fired from Rules as well, so.

[Misha Brown]

But Zach, too. This season was. That last episode was wild.

[Ronnie Karam]

That Zach did a great job. Did a great job.

[Misha Brown]

Oh, my God. It was. That was. That was a chaotic finale.

[Ben Mandelker]

I loved it.

[Misha Brown]

It was really good.

[Ronnie Karam]

Loki. My favorite part was when Zach, like, just dropped his arm into two tuna tartars. I don't Know why? Slapstick moment of the night for me. I was like, this is a great finale.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So news that shocked nobody but one person whose name is Kenya Moore. Is that Kenya Moore confirms she's not returning to Real Housewives of Atlanta. What overall thoughts.

[Misha Brown]

I saw that. I mean there's so many things. Right. Okay, listen. So we, there's the dirty photo scandal which you know, people are saying there's a lot to do with that her, you know, leaking those photos. But I think the biggest bombshell that has me because Atlanta is one of my favorite cities in this, in this universe and her saying that there's going to be two new cast members and that there would be well known people like names has me on the edge of my seat.

[Ben Mandelker]

You like who she mentioned? Let me see who she said.

[Misha Brown]

Did she say?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, she hinted and then people are guessing.

[Misha Brown]

Okay, I didn't see any guesses.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did see them and I don't have them here. So I'll shut up for a minute and research while you guys talk about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I, I agree. I think that like, I think that if she is to come back to Atlanta, it's just too soon after that scandal especially Brit is, is threatening to sue Bravo. I think.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Distance a little bit for, you know, until that blows over. I think they will have her back though because every, the audience was firmly anti Brit and so Bravo's usually going to follow what the audience is saying especially if their show is struggling a little bit. So maybe they'll try to reach you with some new people. But if they bring on two new people, I wonder who's out. Well, Brit is I guess Britain, Kenya. But Kenya was a friend of so, so Brit is definitely out and I wonder if they'll drop anyone else expand or.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think they're keeping everybody. I think they're keeping everybody. And then the rumors are that. Let's see here. K. Michelle and Pinky Cole set to join K. Michelle.

[Ronnie Karam]

K. Michelle. Okay, that's the rumors.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we'll See, buddy. So, you know, by the way, Kenya's doing a fun job just kind of making her own confessionals on YouTube. She seems to be. Yeah. Kind of a fun idea.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

To just like. Well, just. I'll just pretend I'm on the show and do my own confession. We should do that, Ben. We should have our own confessionals. We should transition this podcast.

[Misha Brown]

Just confessionals.

[Ronnie Karam]

When you said that, I really felt like, what are you talking about? You're my best girlfriend. Like, what was this guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I saw her walk into that salon, I thought, oh, no. Poster board skin. Yeah.

[Misha Brown]

Oh, you guys, it would be really good. I am. I'm on board for this. I support it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just bespoke fanfic confessionals.

[Ben Mandelker]

My hairy moves coming out of a ball game. So real. This is a. This one sounds fun to me. I love the headline. Real Housewives of Potomac alum Candace Dillard Bassett unfollows Real Housewife of Atlanta Porsha Williams after filming the Traitors. Dun, dun, dun.

[Misha Brown]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

How do you feel about this?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Let us know. What do you think?

[Misha Brown]

So now this has me very excited because I love the Traitors. I was almost cast on season one, actually, before they went. Before they went, mostly famous people. In the early rounds of auditioning and casting, they were. It was just gonna be regular people need to be.

[Ben Mandelker]

What do you need to do to be considered famous? You've got like a zillion followers.

[Misha Brown]

Well, this was years ago, so I've grown a lot since then. But yeah, they were interested me because I had.

[Ben Mandelker]

I didn't know what that's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Some. Sort of.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good for you.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah, but. But I've been in love with the show ever since. And so. No, because Lori, right. These two girls, like, they have. These two women, they have a lot of history with each other. Back to Bravo's chat room and Real Housewives Ultimate Girl trip and everything. So for them to have that, that. That history of drama, then going into a reality show where there is murder and backstabbing and you' right. To each other's faces. It's like, what. Okay, What. What caused, you know, the official act of the unfollow, you know, Very.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't wait.

[Misha Brown]

Very exciting stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you guess it's something that's like, murder based, like, where one of them had to betray the other one? Or do you think it's just, like, personality stuff? I'm gonna go with just personality stuff. I'll bet it doesn't even have to do with, like, plot.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it's gonna Be a mix of both, to be honest. I mean, personally, I think I didn't. I thought they already. I didn't even know they were on good terms because my memory of the ultimate girls trip that they did on Peacock a few years ago. Candace and Porsche had beef back then, and they were, like, not getting along. So when it's like, oh, Candace unfollowed Portia, I was like, I thought they already didn't like each other in the first place, but maybe they had mended or something along the way.

[Misha Brown]

I think when I was looking, when I saw the headline and I read into it that, you know, they had kind of lost touch. I think was one of them said, we've kind of like. I don't know. Yeah. Just slowly parted ways. But I don't know if the unfollowing. You know, it was like they still followed each other on Instagram or whatever, but something happened.

[Ronnie Karam]

But this is also Candace, and, like, honestly, it may be just as simple that Candace was, you know, was up first, was in the line of fire, and everyone voted for Candace, and Portia voted for Candace like everyone else else. And then Candace comes home and is like, the fact that she would vote for me when we are sisters and we were both on the Real Housewives, that just bothered me because she built an entire, like, rivalry against Robin. Robin on Potomac. Very similar, you know, like. Like, I can't believe you would say that thing. It was, like, so tenuous. So, you know, she's good for a tenuous feud.

[Misha Brown]

Well, and I think that's that. That's. That's the Housewives franchise because they. It's every season of the Traitors. They're just like. But wait, where the House Housewives, and there's no other series. It's like, they're like, other people are like, we know each other. We've met each other. So alliance. The other ones are like, we're housewives.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's it. Be interesting. Well, they have to on that show because they get kicked off first every time, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Jealous of their fan base. By the way, Misha, before you go, I just want. I feel like we forgot to mention we did not even pour a little. Little drink out for the. For one of the biggest flops, which is the Aaron and Michelle relationship from the Valley because Aaron and Michelle have broken up. Oh, my God. I know. We all thought they were gonna be a forever couple.

[Ben Mandelker]

Another unfollow there. Yeah. Yeah.

[Misha Brown]

Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

We thought they were gonna last forever. Michelle and Aaron but they are splitsville. They ended their. Their relationship was announced to be deceased.

[Ben Mandelker]

I cannot believe it. Do.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can't believe.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you think those crazy kids were going to last forever?

[Misha Brown]

Misha, I don't think any of these people are. No, listen, the only thing. The only thing, the only aspect of their lives that I'm jealous of. Like, I. I watch these reality shows, and I see that, like, literally every time they get together, it's over food. And I'm just like, that could be me. I could get on board with that aspect of being a reality TV star. Because they are just. They're at brunch, or there's just little snacks on the table. They're having, you know, cocktails. I'd have a mock. Sounds fabulous. But then the rest of it is just so. Such carbon.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I agree with you. Except when you really think about it, because I used to think that, too. Like, I have, like, eating issues. Like, I just always want to eat. Like, I go up and down £200 within a year. Like, not. I'm not even lying multiple times. My heart will pop soon. But I always thought that, too. I was like, I want to be on these shows because all you do is eat, but they never eat because you look crazy when you eat. So you're basically going to all these great places and being served free food, and then you can't eat the food. So it's actually kind of like the seventh circle of hell.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah. I don't know. There'd probably be memes of me just, like, shoveling shrimp in my mouth. Yeah. I would not care. Yeah, it's free food. That could be me.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love it. Well, thanks so much for being here, Misha. You can follow Misha on Instagram at your bestie, Misha. Also follow the Big Flop. What else? Is there anything else we should.

[Misha Brown]

Well, I mean, it's. It's a while away, but my debut book, Be youe Own Bestie, is. Comes out out February of 2026.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, no. I love it. Congratulations. That's awesome. Thank you. Well, let us know so we can plug it.

[Misha Brown]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

When it comes out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's been great talking to you.

[Misha Brown]

I always love chatting with you.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, we'll see you soon.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thanks for coming on.

[Misha Brown]

All right, bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bye. All right, everybody, we will be staying here for a bit and then taking your calls towards the end of our hour here. So, Ben, what else would you like to discuss today on Crappy? I want to.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, we've been talking about some heavy stuff, you know, we're talking about, like, addiction and rehab, talking about scandals with pictures from Kenya Moore and everything. And I just wanted to. As long as we're talking about serious, let's talk about. If we're gonna talk about serious, we're gonna talk about serious. So the thing that we must address, of course, is that Bethany Frankel is maybe not going to go to the Hamptons that much this summer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Yeah. I went on to my phone recent, like, a few hours ago, and there was a video from Bethany, and she was like, guys, guys. Normally at this time, I'm in the Hamptons. I'm not in the Hamptons right now, because you know what? Something's a little off. Something a little off over there. And I've been telling people it's not off. It's not.

[Misha Brown]

It's not.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not the same. And I said, you know what? I'm not gonna go to the Hamptons normally. I'm always in the Hamptons. I'm always in the Hamptons. I always. You know, it's a town full of fishermen. It's like people. It's like young people. But you could not get me closer. The congestion is terrible, so I'm staying closer to New York for three minutes. She explains with the urgency that it's the night before an election and you have to vote, otherwise the country's gonna go to hell. And she's with that sort of intensity. She's like, and that's why I'm not gonna be the Hamptons. I go down to Florida. Florida. You know What?

[Ben Mandelker]

What?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's 10 degrees hotter, but I go to Florida instead, but I'm not going to Hamptons.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's trying to make Florida happen because she got a place in Florida, and so now everything's horrible except for Florida. She's gonna really try and make it look like Florida is now where everybody goes. It's not Bethany. I mean, people do go to Florida, but people who enjoy the Hamptons are not necessarily gonna automatically like Florida. Florida's hot as hell, girl. No. Okay, Hamptons. I say Hampton. I say stick with the Hamptons. I saw a little Bethany thing earlier where they were like, millionaire Bethany Frankel slams idiots for going and spending $7 a day on coffee. He's like, what are you, stupid? Like, it's coffee. What are you spending $7? Like, what are you, dumb, moronic Hampton. Hamptons dwellers? Like, who does that?

[Ronnie Karam]

What do you. I don't even understand. I don't understand what this is all about. I mean, In Florida. The coffee is amazing. I just want to point that out. The coffee in Hamptons kind of off. It's off. I don't think they even have coffee there anymore. Just dirt. Just dirt with water.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bethany Frankel, still making headlines over stupid every day.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, technically, I just want to say that for. For the record, there was no headline about this. This is a man, a Ben mental headline. I just saw the video and was like, this lady is still. She's making announcement like this. Like she's. God bless her. God bless.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So let's see here. What else do we have in here? Well, there's this Aaron and Denise Singh. I. I wasn't here. I'm sure you talked about it. This Aaron and Denise thing. A lot of people are asking us to talk about it. It's really rough to talk about because there's nothing I'm gonna say except a rageful you to Aaron Pipers. I don't care what Denise did. He can try and go do any interview he wants and do any TMZ article that he wants. And accused Denise. One of them today is he accuses Denise of Viking and addiction. Yeah, no shit. Aaron, do you think we all. We've been watching this show, okay? We've seen her with her. Whatever she's addicted to. Most likely that or zany bars or whatever the hell else she's going on. Nobody's necessarily surprised by that. And guess what else. It's not a reason to fucking beat your wife, you asshole. Fuck off. I don't want to hear anything more from Aaron. So I don't really want to give that any attention until he goes to prison. Prison. Because fuck that guy. And also his whole like, oh, she says she's supporting my family. My family takes care of her dogs. My family does all this stuff. They're unpaid. They don't even have hot water in the house. Maybe they should get fucking jobs. Aaron, they're living in her condo that she paid for. She's not. Now she has to pay their bills too because they watch her dogs. Fuck off does not give you a right to abuse your wife. So mostly I'm going to avoid that because this is all you're going to get from me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Great. Is Rachel. So another news. In other news. So the Sheena book has been really, you know, making its rounds on the. On the circuits here, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

As did Sheena on the Hollywood. As Hollywood circuit. This made. This book is making as many rounds as Sheena's made. It's impressive.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, you know, I did Try. I did date a lot of people, like Shane West. Shane west and the guy Shane west, three times. And also Shemar Moore, the guy from Access Hollywood. Camera guy from Access Hollywood, just to name a few. Went through a lot of them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So let's go through some bombshells from Sheena's book, what we need to know. This is a People magazine, and I like that they've started doing the Daily Mail thing where they're like. Like people are too stupid to read. So let's just say in bullet points at the top. I love a bullet point. So what you need to know, Sheena Shay's new memoir. She has some big book bombshells. Okay. She opens up about how she discovered how she had an OCD to finding out about Eddie Cibrian and Leann Rimes affair. I'm trying to tell my truth or my story. Shay tells People. So let's see. What are the biggest bombshells been. You read it?

[Ronnie Karam]

I read it. I mean, I read this thing. And if you guys want to hear a really in depth discussion about this, go check out Glamorous Trash, where Chelsea devontez and I break it all down and we, you know, last week, last crappy hour, we talked about the Brock cheating thing with Kiki. But now people are getting learning more and more things about what's happened with, like, with Sheena. One of the things is that. That there's a lot of. A lot of talk about Jesse Metcalf because she talked about how, like, she was dating Jesse Metcalf and that, like, she was, like, she wasn't drinking in support of him and things like that. And Jesse Metcalf basically was like, I don't know why she keeps talking about me. Why? It's like, sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, two episodes of Desperate Housewives. Why is. Why does anybody think that that's a giant score? Jess, as he met Cat half. He's like the sweaty gardener from Desperate. Like, he was on two episodes. Why are we. I don't understand how that's a big.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bombshell, but one of the other bombshells is that she in the book, when she talks about joining Vanderpump Rules, she basically is like, I was working in Villa Blanca, and Lisa was like, I need you to work. Like, like, darling, I need you to come work at this party tonight. And then Brandy's there, and Lisa came over, is like, oh, I didn't know she'd be here. Oh, goodness. Here, have some water and get off. Don't. Don't work. Don't work here anymore. And so Sheena thought, like, oh, my God, it was this honest mistake. But then, like, the big twist at the end of the book is that it's confirmed that Lisa Vanderpump did know that Sheena, Sheena and Brandy's past and that Lisa used Sheena to launch Vanderpump Rule.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, of course you knew. And how did she know? Because Sheena told her. Like, we really think. Listen, you really think that Sheena didn't know that Vanderpump knew and set this whole thing up? Of course she did. Sheena looks so excited. That was Sheena's breakout moment in tv. That was one of the most exciting things to ever happen to Sheena. It made her whole life, it gave her a whole career for Sheena to act like I was.

[Misha Brown]

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm still so victimized that she heard me. Really? Because you did 10 years on her show and kissed her ass until recently for book sales. I am buying that from you, Sheena. Biting the hand that feeds you. And I loved Vanderpump's response. She's like, I don't give a fuck. How about that? I don't care what that idiot has to say. I'm not giving her any air, okay? I've just started another fire, allegedly, in my new Las Vegas hotel for insurance money. Just kidding. Just kidding. Don't sue me. But, yeah, she's. I love that her answer is now, like, all off. And then Peter was like, well, you know, I don't even like any of the people from Vanderpump Rules anymore, because they all bite the hands and feed them, and Lisa made them all famous, which I agree with Peter. But then Sheena posted receipts saying, oh, really? Well, it looks like Peter's mad now that I won't come on his podcast because she posts receipts of him being really nice and asking if she would have somebody come on a podcast network or something.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Did you see the teaser for the new Vanderpump Rules season?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it wasn't much. It was just like. It's like, you know, this sort of spectral sounds, and it was like the faces are all different, but the rules are the same. Vanderbump rules coming soon. That's all it was. But, you know, they're getting. They're getting ready, you know, getting ready to spice it up. Although I have to say, if you say the faces, the faces are all new, but the rules are the same. That could just mean the cast is coming back. Because. Because it's always new faces every season. Let's be honest. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exires. Bravo. You better have a new face. You're not coming back for another season. Another bombshell from Sheena's book. And listen, I have to say, I really like Sheena. I love her on. I loved her on Vanderpump Rules. We were always team Sheena. I mean, even when Sheena was damn wrong, I feel like we're always on team Sheena. Sheena's getting on my damn nerves with this whole publicity tour about her book. Everything I'm reading about it is annoying. There's not one thing that's come out that's not annoying me. The Brock stuff, annoyed. And she's the one who got cheated on. So I'm not saying she's annoying, but that whole Brock thing. And, like, I didn't talk about it because I really want to protect my child, so I wanted to wait for. She was able to read because reading about it would really, like, be more intellectual for her. Like, yeah, you're trying to protect her. You just put it in a book to sell books. What are you talking about? So that whole Brock thing, I think is kind of hypocritical to hold that and then accuse everybody else on the show of hiding things or not showing enough for TV and not giving enough of her life when she literally hit a huge thing to not villainize her husband, who's already been accused of sexual assault and all of that and lost, you know, custody after abandoning his children. So, yeah, she's. It's a little much for bombshells from the book, but this one I thought was hilarious. Shea realized she might have OCD due to her fixation on Instagram following. You don't have ocd. You have narcissism, girl. You have npd, not ocd. Maybe you have both.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, she also had another bombshell. So this is on Reddit by wig. Hello. Drama reports that Sheena says the season nine finale of Hashtag Pump Rules was scripted in Us Weekly. The cast has been vocal about the show not being scripted. But you write about another moment in season nine that was also orchestrated. A confrontation with Lala Kent about you and Brock getting engaged during James and Rachel's engagement weekend. Oh, yeah, I can tell about this. This is from the book. Yeah. So basically, Sheena, we all remember that Sheena and Brock got engaged while during. During the party for James and Raquel, which was, of course, everyone was mad at them for that. That. And so basically, all the girls were like, you know what we can do? We can start a fight to kind of like distract away from it. So she was like, yeah, we absolutely scripted that finale. Like Lala pulled Ariana and Katie aside and we're like, okay, we're not gonna show up and do our job, but like, we're going to. We're not. We're going to show up and do our job, but we're not going to tell production that we're going to fake a fight because production won't know we did that until this comes out. And so basically like they faked a moment and she just says it was a one off. And the only time they ever faked it anything because they wanted to save their jobs and get another season. So they were just being martyrs, guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's basically like, jesus, that's ridiculous. And also, it's just bad. It's just bad reality stardom because it's like Rocina and you're trying so hard to get on the Valley and you're having problems with credibility and this is not going to help Sheener. So when she began another bombshell when she began dating, dating Brock, she was questioning her sexuality with a female friend. Oh, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Possible bisexuality.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, what are you, a reality? A 50 year old reality star on like Real Housewives where they're like, oh my God, a bisexual.

[Ronnie Karam]

She had like met this girl and they had become like really good friends and then they had like made out. And then their whole thing was that they would like, they would go out and then they'd like make out and stuff like that. But then when she started dating Brock, they like made out. She was like, she told this whole story about like, and, and then like, we like. My friend, I forgot the girl's name. Let's just call her Casey. I'm saying that because I don't know, I think I saw Casey somewhere on screen. So she's like. So Casey and I like went to Vegas and like, it was there to celebrate her for her birthday. But I'd like left my sweater behind. And so like Brock, he totally like drove out to Vegas with my sweater just so that he could give me my sweater. And then like, I made out with like Casey. And then he was like really bothered by the that and he was like, don't make out with girls in front of me. And like, I never even thought like, oh my God, like that, like they could be bothersome. And so like, she basically says that she stopped. Like, she always thought of Casey as like her friend that she would go to parties with and they would make out. But, like, she Realized that, like, now that she really likes a guy, it's actually insulting to the guy. And she had to tell Casey that they had to have boundaries. And then she and Casey, their friendship just kind of fizzled out after that. It was really tragic. It was a sad story.

[Ben Mandelker]

That is. That is huge. And it's. You know what else? It's also a huge bombshell, so I'm.

[Ronnie Karam]

Glad you shared that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Another bombshell. Andy Cohen allegedly handed Shea a fake court filing from Rachel slash Raquel during the Vanderpump Rules. People are still calling her Rachel, but I think she went back to Raquel, didn't she?

[Ronnie Karam]

Did she?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's a very person. I thought so. But anyway. Andy Cohen allegedly handed her a fake court filing from Rachel during the Vanderpump Rules reunion. The. I guess there was one filed, but they didn't have it. So Andy just gave her a prop and tricked her. Everybody's just tricking Sheena guys at all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Times portion the way that they're able to do such easy prop work around Sheena.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a CVS receipt, Sheena, like you said, all you had to do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Was look at it.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, okay, let me read this. It's like 10ft long.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. I can't believe they bought all these supplies before the court case.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. This Taylor says Sheena gives the kiss girls to get attention vibes. And I 100% agree with that saying, oh, my God, I was almost, like, gay one time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Michelle says, and, well, yeah, Andy's not a process server, so chances are he didn't have that when you didn't have it. Gina.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's a silly book. I'm not gonna lie. It's a very, very silly read. But it's also hilarious because it's like, just imagine just sitting with 200 pages of Sheena voice. Everything is like. And, oh, and here's like, a really funny story. Oh. So in the book, she has one moment. She's, you know, she has. The first few chapters are about, like, growing up, and she's like, yeah. And I, like, would get bullied in school because I was, like, really smart. I just wanted to fit in, and I wanted to do my makeup. Like, all the other girls did make fun of me because I wasn't doing the makeup right and put me into a locker and. And then I went to college, and I did really well in college, and I had so much fun in college. I did really good. I was really good at college, but I wanted to be. Was an actress. And then all of a sudden, she has a chapter. She goes, wait, guys, hold on. Before I go any further, let me tell you the craziest story. So this one time, I was like, I wanted to be a waitress for Hooters. So I went in for the interview, and the guy was like, okay, here, like, put on the uniform in this trailer. So I put it on. Turns out he had a hidden camera, and he had actually secretly videotaped all of us who are waitresses while we were changing. And there was a class action lawsuit. And then they said then Gloria Allred. Yes, Vlog. Gloria Allred contacted me and was like, would you speak on behalf of the victims? And I was like, oh, my God. Because I was so good at testifying, they wanted me to speak for all the girls. And I really was like, this is, like, my moment. So, like, I spoke for all the girls. And then he went away to jail, and hopefully it will never happen again. But anyway, isn't that a crazy story? And you're like, what the hell is this chapter that just fell in the middle of Sheena's like, And then here I got ice cream in West Covina. And I love that her takeaway learned.

[Ben Mandelker]

How to do makeup.

[Ronnie Karam]

And her takeaway was like, I've always wanted to be a performer. I've always wanted to be in front of a camera. And look, I got to be the one who spoke on behalf of the class action lawsuit. Not like, whoa, look at this creepy guy. I mean, she does say, this guy's a creep, you know, but, like, like, her takeaway is not, like, more introspective than, like, wow. It turns out I really do have a natural talent, just like people always told me as a little girl, it was amazing.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also, I like that she's name dropping Gloria Allred. Like, she can't stop name dropping even when she. Yes, the Gloria Allred.

[Ronnie Karam]

She really does.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was, like, the best speaker for the victims.

[Ronnie Karam]

She name drops throughout the entire book. At one point, she's like, so this one time, I went to a bar with my friends and Stacy, and then it goes like, hyphen. She was the bartender on the Hills. And so we went to this club, and we had so much fun. Thank you. Thank you for. Thank you for filling in that very important detail that this, like, tertiary character in a mid to late season of the Hills you went to a club with.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's tertiary. But good for her, you know, Good for her for having a book, because I. I honestly never saw that one because. And I'll never see it unfolding either. So good for her. So now is the time where we turn the show over to you, dear audience. For everybody just listening on audio, this is it for you. We're done, but we will be back in a couple of weeks. So join us then. Everybody else, thank you so much for being here. We'll take your calls the rest of the night. We'll talk to you next time, guys. Bye.

[Ronnie Karam]

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