#2951 The Valley S2E15 Part One: Lost Sporkle

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Episode: #2951 The Valley S2E15 Part One: Lost Sporkle
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: July 30, 2025

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Introduction to Episode #2951

In Episode #2951 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve deep into the Season 2 Reunion of Bravo's "The Valley." This two-part recap focuses on the tumultuous events that unfolded among the cast members, highlighting relationship strains, personal developments, and the dramatic dynamics that keep viewers hooked.

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The Valley Season 2 Reunion Recap

1. Cast Introductions and Updates

The reunion kicks off with a lively introduction of the entire cast, setting the stage for the discussions to follow.

• Ben Mandelker ([03:00]): "My sporkle. Everybody. Welcome. It's the Valley Reunion Part one. Recap."
• Ronnie Karam ([04:43]): "Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Ben."

The hosts provide a brief overview of what fans can expect from the reunion, emphasizing the intense and often trashy confrontations characteristic of Bravo reunions.

2. Jesse and Michelle's Relationship Turmoil

A significant portion of the reunion centers around the rocky relationship between Jesse and Michelle, highlighting their struggles and eventual decision to part ways.

• Ronnie ([10:19]): "But not Ozempic. People are still being so ridiculous over the Olympic stuff. Yes, girls, of course I think that."
• Ben ([32:03]): "So Jesse says that Michelle weaponizes the baby, and she's like, no, I don't, because..."

Key Highlights:

• Abuse Allegations: Jesse accuses Michelle of "weaponizing" their daughter, Isabella, using her in their marital disputes. Michelle vehemently denies these claims, leading to heated debates.

  • Michelle ([14:30]): "I want to beat your ass. I'm gonna knock you out."
  • Jesse ([35:34]): "I have a team of consultants that I work with."

• Divorce Proceedings: The hosts discuss the ongoing divorce between Jesse and Michelle, highlighting the lack of a formal settlement and Jesse's unorthodox approach to legal representation.

  • Ronnie ([48:26]): "Jesse's like, yeah, Andy. Well, I was Working on it this week when I got her discovery."
  • Ben ([51:20]): "He won't actually say why his life is a mess. I mean, she'll say it, but he denies everything..."

• Custody Battle: The custody arrangement remains contentious, with both parties struggling to co-parent effectively.

  • Ben ([41:49]): "This is a game of did verdad."

3. Kristin and Nia's Pregnancy Journeys

Kristin and Nia's experiences with pregnancy take center stage, showcasing their emotional and physical challenges.

• Ben ([16:46]): "So Kristen and Luke were conceiving their fertile friends, Danny and Nia were getting pregnant with baby number four."
• Ronnie ([20:03]): "My girlfriend made the decision about a month after we started dating to reach out to Michelle, to set boundaries, mother to mother..."

Key Highlights:

• Kristen's Pregnancy: Kristin shares her journey, including dealing with postpartum depression and the hormonal rollercoaster that comes with pregnancy.

  • Kristen ([17:11]): "I did an IUI and did a lot of... hung out and watch Gilmore Girls."

• Nia's Fourth Pregnancy: Nia discusses the differences in her current pregnancy compared to her previous ones, emphasizing the support system she has in Kristin.

  • Nia ([25:50]): "We've been saying ups and downs a lot so far this reunion, so I'm gonna go with ups and downs."

4. Brittany and Jax's Divorce Proceedings

The drama between Brittany and Jax unfolds with revelations about their impending divorce and lingering tensions.

• Ben ([23:29]): "Brittany's still going to Hooters with Jax."
• Ronnie ([25:29]): "You've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two."

Key Highlights:

• Imminent Divorce: Brittany and Jax announce their divorce, revealing underlying issues that have plagued their relationship.

  • Brittany ([15:35]): "It was a war of attrition."
  • Jax ([16:06]): "It's just tit for tat."

• Custody and Co-parenting: The couple grapples with co-parenting their child amidst personal conflicts and financial strains.

  • Ben ([35:34]): "He refuses to pay anything back."
  • Ronnie ([47:40]): "He makes a suits joke, and so everybody's fine with him."

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Hosts' Commentary and Insights

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie offer sharp, often sarcastic commentary on the unfolding drama, shedding light on Bravo's typical manipulative storytelling and the portrayal of relationships.

• Critique of Jesse: The hosts express disdain for Jesse's manipulative tactics and charismatic facade that belies his problematic behavior.

  • Ronnie ([32:03]): "He has a lot of charm and some looks. I mean, this guy is an ex model..."
  • Ben ([34:16]): "Pull out the charm, make the woman look crazy."

• Sympathy for Michelle: Despite Michelle's flaws, the hosts lean towards sympathizing with her struggles against Jesse's accusations.

  • Ben ([35:34]): "I think it's so unfair that these guys like Jesse come out here..."
  • Ronnie ([37:17]): "Michelle is dealing with a monster."

• Examination of Bravo's Narrative: The hosts critique how Bravo manipulates narratives to favor charismatic male figures while painting female counterparts as antagonistic.

  • Ronnie ([34:34]): "He just wants to..."
  • Ben ([37:06]): "It's like whether or not she's boring..."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ronnie Karam:

  • "[03:00] 'Everybody. Welcome. It's the Valley Reunion Part one. Recap.'"
  • "[10:19] 'But not Ozempic. People are still being so ridiculous over the Olympic stuff.'"
  • "[16:06] 'It's just tit for tat.'"
  • "[35:43] 'He says, it's a war of attrition.'"

• Ben Mandelker:

  • "[32:03] 'So Jesse says that Michelle weaponizes the baby, and she's like, no, I don't...'"
  • "[34:16] 'Pull out the charm, make the woman look crazy.'"
  • "[37:17] 'It's like whether or not she's boring, it's like she's still... dealing with a monster.'"

• Michelle [Character]:

  • "[14:30] 'I want to beat your ass. I'm gonna knock you out.'"

• Jax [Character]:

  • "[16:06] 'It's just tit for tat.'"

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Conclusion

Episode #2951 of Watch What Crappens offers a comprehensive and critical recap of "The Valley" Season 2 Reunion, unraveling the complex and often toxic relationships among the cast. Through incisive commentary and pointed observations, Ben and Ronnie illuminate the underlying issues that drive the drama, providing listeners with a nuanced understanding of the show's dynamics. This episode serves as both a reflection on Bravo's storytelling techniques and a deeper exploration of personal struggles within the high-stakes environment of reality television.

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Ben.

[Ben]

Hi, Ronnie. How are you?

[Ronnie]

Good. Great. Excellent to hear it. I'll tell you what I brought today.

[Ben]

What?

[Ronnie]

My sporkle. Everybody. Welcome. It's the Valley Reunion Part one. Recap. Just a reminder, you can watch this on video if you'd prefer, over at Crappins on Demand, which is on Patreon. That's also where you find our bonus episodes. This week is a nice long recap of Beyonce and the Backstreet Boys in Las Vegas and travel woes. Cuz, you know, we love to discuss some travel woes. Delta Mandalay Bay. The Cosmo Bastards. All of you. All three.

[Ben]

All of you.

[Ronnie]

All three of you in the doghouse. They tried to take away our sparkle. Yeah, they sparkle, yeah.

[Ben]

But Back Street Boys brought them back. Back streets goals back. All right.

[Ronnie]

So today is a reunion for the Valley. How you feel, Ben, how do you feel about the Val reunion for. Actually the first reunion ever for the Valley?

[Ben]

Yeah, I thought it was a great first episode. We just sat through three really unimpressive Atlanta reunion episodes. I mean, the second episode on Atlanta was okay. It was all right. But like they were. They were really scraping for content. Like it really was. Should have been a super sized one episode reunion, maybe two. So this one, the Valley is bursting with things to discuss. And you know, the reunions really come alive when there's. When there's things to sink your teeth into. And I thought the first episode was. Was great. What did you think? And I loved how it was lit. I loved how it was so bright and everyone looked kind of like AI renderings because their makeup was like really, like you could really see their makeup. I loved it. What'd you think?

[Ronnie]

Well, I think whatever stylist Britney uses for this, she needs to use for everything because she looks much like. If you look at her when she went on Watch what Happens Live, she looked sad. I don't know, something sad. I mean, she was probably sad, but I don't mean sad like physically. I mean, it was just. She looked like a disaster. Okay, she. Yeah, she looked like a damn. Her makeup looked crazy. Her clothes look crazy. Everything looked crazy. And on this, she looked very put together and very. So anyway, just keep that. Keep this one. Whoever you're using on this one, keep them. Brittany. Okay. They brought back your sparkle. The brought back your sparkle. I love the fur coat that Jesse showed up in in the beginning. I think he should have worn it the whole time. But yeah, I mean, most of this is just watching kind of a trashy couple screaming at each other. But hey, I'm down back to childhood. So let's get into it. Hey, everybody. Welcome to The Valley Season 2 reunion. I'm Benny Cohen. I. Hi, babies. I'm exhausted. All Right, let's get to it.

[Ben]

Yeah. Wow. This be fun, Britney. Okay everyone, America, we're gonna introduce all the cast for the next 20 minutes because it's a big cast. Britney, great to see you. Will tonight be the longest time you spent with Jax in a year? She's like, yeah. Wow. And Jax, how does it feel to be wearing clothes that are emerged from your bar? Although are those merch branded? Jack Jack's bars lifts in your shoes. Wow. You guys thought of everything.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. He's like is that conscious he wear Jack's merch? Yes, it's conscious. It's also he has to do his own laundry now and he ain't doing it. So he's gonna wear the same thing every day. And he's like gotta support the bar, Andy. Okay, Michelle moved in with your boyfriend Aaron. How's that going? We all know now because we shot this reunion 19 years ago and a lot's happened since then. Aaron dumped you, so we know that, but we don't know that yet. So how are you feeling? She's like I made the best decision ever. We have Isabella Vivdi brazen of the dime. It is a day. Asabella is very happy guys. Don't worry. Super, super happy. Isabella is getting a lot of coke themed honey in her breakfast. So she psyched?

[Ben]

Yeah. Doing well. She was not anymore. So Michelle. Yeah. She's like yeah. Isabella is yappy. All right Jesse, we saw you and your tidy. What is this season or more like tidy grays. What's going on? Well, I've since ordered new underwear cuz Zach told me they were a little bit too baggy. Yeah. Droopy drawers.

[Ronnie]

So they talk about underwear. Kristen's pregnant guys. So you know. That's great. And her water could break at any moment. No, I'm not even kidding, Eddie. And how does Luke feel about being here? You know he's a little unprepared because we've got. We couldn't like we don't have a to go back for the hospital with us. Oh please. What are you going to have in the to go back? He's going to bring like a pair of scissors and a tent and a flashlight and like one of those like lamps that don't need oil. I don't trust him. He's gonna bring some granola bar. He's just gonna bring camping shit.

[Ben]

He's bringing stuff that's gonna be very unuseful in the hospital. She'll be like do you have my sundress? No, but I have a tarp Seriously. So, Andy, I mean, Nia, you and Nanny Winfur went for, quote, unquote, four.

[Ronnie]

It. Four under four, buddy. Four under four.

[Ben]

Wow. Danny, how many 10 more times we're gonna hear you say that?

[Ronnie]

Huh?

[Ben]

You're not gonna say it, like, right now, are you?

[Ronnie]

Protect your peace, Daniel. Protect your peace.

[Ben]

Daddy says four under four.

[Ronnie]

Zach, how did Benji enjoy your scrotox? And he's like, I thought we would have noticed it more, but apparently he didn't.

[Ben]

By the way, Zach, I would say, is the real star of this reunion because he barely got to say a word, but he spent the entire episode making the most hilarious amazing faces. Every time something happened, they would just cut to Zach and he'd be like. Like, he would tilt his head to the side and bulge his eyes out and look over to the left. It was amazing. He did great work.

[Ronnie]

He was just making his neighbor from the Bewitched series, Gladys Kravitz, popping by, being like, did I just see you flying face through the whole thing? So Jasmine's here. I think she says only this through the entire reunion. She's engaged.

[Ben]

So, yes. That's all we got from her.

[Ronnie]

Janet lost a lot of baby weight. How'd she do it? Through Adderall and Pilates. Andy wasn't that hilarious? Everybody, Cool Janet. Cool Janet.

[Ben]

Cool Janet. Cool Janet. Whose storyline was about accusing someone of substance abuse. Anyway, Adderall and Pilates.

[Ronnie]

I know. I caught that, too. I hope they use that against her all year, next year, because that's the big thing. Because that's what they call coke on Bravo. You know, everybody's like, I'm addicted to Adderall. Craig's thing. No, you're a cokehead and we all fucking know it. So I like that Janet just came out on national TV and basically called herself a cokehead.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie]

But not Ozempic. People are still being so ridiculous over the Olympic stuff. Yes, girls, of course I think that. Look. And of course, I think that anybody who loses weight is probably taking that. But it's a hell of a lot easier and probably safer for your heart at least, than taking a bunch of Adderall, I would think.

[Ben]

But, yeah, I would think so.

[Ronnie]

I mean, I've done both. And I'll tell you, I have a lot of. I have a lot less rage on the shots than I did on the Adderall.

[Ben]

Well, I think Ozempic is now prescribed for weight loss and Adderall isn't. So I think. Yeah, I think it's just right built in. Right There. Built in right there. Which one's the better one to use?

[Ronnie]

Good point. And listen, I'm not. I'm not a big shamer on any of those things. I've used Adderall, I've used Ozempic, I've used Coke. So I'm not really going to judge any of it. It's just that it's Janet, the judgiest one out of everybody, so it's more fun, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah, I get it.

[Ronnie]

It's like, I don't judge abortions, but I really loved it when that pregnant. That. That Republican congresswoman who voted against abortion rights had to get one because she was having a terrible pregnancy. And then she blamed the Democrats for it. I mean, it's like people like that, you know what I mean? I'll shame you. I'll shame you for it.

[Ben]

Yeah. Everyone, we will shame. We will shame when we want to shame. It's our choice. Okay, yes, we're. And don't shame us for our shaming decisions. If we don't shame when you want us to shame, then shame on you for trying to shame us into shaming when we want to shame someone. But we will shame when you don't want to shame someone.

[Ronnie]

No, you can shame me. That's kind of my kink.

[Ben]

I don't want to play. I was doing wordplay.

[Ronnie]

Shame on you. Shame on you for word playing. I'm trying to be very serious about Republican congressperson abortions.

[Ben]

Take it to shame Simpson, queen of snargasm. So anyway, Jason, what's up with you, Jason? Are you wearing your wedding ring today? And he's like, hi, Andy. I am. I am. Yes. Wearing my wedding ring. Yes. That was also the last we heard of Jason all episode, too.

[Ronnie]

So thank God. Shut up over there. Hey, be like you are in your marriage in this reunion. Silent and agreeable. Thanks.

[Ben]

Silent and agreeable and very good looking. So Andy is.

[Ronnie]

It's worn off. It's not good looking. No, his soul. His soul tarnished it. And then his whole, like, being the only one to follow Jackson to the reunion, you know, did you notice that at the beginning, in the beginning of the reunion when everybody's arriving, people are like, oh, my God, is Jax coming? Like, oh, my God, Jax is coming. Jax is coming. And then everyone just kind of stayed in their dressing room. But it's like the second you can smell Jax because you know you can smell Jax show up, you just know you can. And Jason ran right out of his dressing room and, like, wagged his Little tail and followed Jax in like, you know, came Jax and keep following the abuser, Jason.

[Ben]

Yeah, he's really. He's really. This is like. He's really picked the wrong horse in this race, that's for sure. All right, well, I want to dive in. You, Kristen, you have called yourself an empath, and I have to say, you may have been the voice of reason for this season. Seriously, who would have thunk? Well, how does that feel? Well, I had one moment that I was not proud of. So I can just start this off with an apology to Janet for the crap that was flying out of my mouth when I was like, I'm gonna beat your ass. I'm gonna knock you out. That wasn't kind of me. So I apologize. But we know it's true, because Kristen's so floppy. She beats everyone's ass who walks by. Oh, sorry. Just her arms are flying. Hitting people in the face, no matter what.

[Ronnie]

I would never. You know, that wasn't my best moment. And also, calling you a whore. That is obviously not true. Nobody would pay you for sex. Who are we kidding? Okay. But, you know, the decibel of my voice. Not great. Not great. I looked at Luke, and I said, was that crazy? And he was like, kind of. And I was like, do not forget to pack worms when we go to the hospital to deliver the baby. He was like, how else am I going to fish? Thank God.

[Ben]

And I guess, by the way, since sweet Mariposa is, like, the big Fleetwood Mac fan of the cast, we should correct ourselves from our podcasting yesterday when we were questioning and mainly me, the lyric, thunder only always follows rain.

[Ronnie]

Whatever. Whatever.

[Ben]

We said. We said the lyric was, thunder always follows.

[Ronnie]

Happens when it rains or something.

[Ben]

Oh, thunder always happens.

[Ronnie]

Thunder always happens when it rains.

[Ben]

Only happens.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. We got an email from Stevie Nicks, and she was like, so there. You got.

[Ben]

Also cursed now.

[Ronnie]

And Janet just got all she wanted, which was, I appreciate the apology. I appreciate that. Thank you, Kristen. Thank you. Well, that's a good way to start. I love apologies. All right, let's celebrate. An abuser. You guys ready? Okay. So I wonder, Jax, Brittany, what's the status of your divorce? And she's like, hopefully it's happening soon. But he called the other day and said he. He didn't want. He might get kicked off the show, so he's prolonging it in case he needs to get alimony from me. And Jax is like, that is somewhat true.

[Ben]

That is somewhat true.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. What a piece of. Right?

[Ben]

And so. And he's like, well, you know, he's like. He's like, you know, we'll agree. You know, we'll agree with you in what you said. Whatever. And he's like, okay, well, Jesse and Mikhail, Michelle, what are your goals for tonight other than tearing each other apart? And I'm already shaking.

[Ronnie]

Jackson's like, you should shake. You should shake. Like, they're not even gonna, like, let their abuse fighting stop in between questions. You know, they're just like, we're keeping it. Keep the spotlight. But Jesse takes it. He's like, you know, there's just this constant battle with Michelle of who's gonna win. And she's like, I was never trying to win. There is no winning with you. And he's like, well, you were trying to win. You're even trying to win. The conversation about trying to win win meter. Hey, need some wins. Are you gonna go to Vegas? You'll stay at the win. I'll bet you'll stay at the win win meter.

[Ben]

What am I trying to win? I already did win because Now I have 5% of Rob Reiner's estate.

[Ronnie]

So a lot happened this season. It was full of high highs, low lows, and a surprise engagement and two new babies. And through everything, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's talk about your first baby, Kristen. Okay. And she's like, oh, now I'm near the end. Oh, it's just so strange. I mean, we got a sonogram, and the baby is already, like, moving its head around looking for the straw. It's going home.

[Ben]

Wow. How soon after the show wrapped did you find out you were pregnant? About two weeks later, something like that. Wow. Great. Luke, how have Kristen's moods been? Well, he's like, well, the first trimester wasn't fun, and the second trimester was pretty okay, but she's back to being. She's back to being pretty much a pain and a monster. Okay, well, we could have told you that was gonna happen even before she was pregnant.

[Ronnie]

Really rough. God. First trimester baby started to kick during the second. She would just stare down and grab her stomach and start screaming whore really loudly. Andy. Oh, sorry. So obviously you're not a whore. Gone.

[Ben]

So what do you think in the end is what helped you get pregnant? All the hormones. And I did an IUI and did a lot of. Lit a lot of candles, huge amount of candles. And, you know, just hung out and watch Gilmore Girls.

[Ronnie]

All right, well, Adderall helped. Adderall helped. Blood.

[Ben]

Well, you have a wedding to Plan as well. Where are we with that? Oh, nowhere near that. But I did just find out that the 500 flower crowns that I ordered for it will be arriving soon. So step one is taken care of. Yes.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, we're just trying to get a free date from the park, Andy. So I feel like Kristen will have a park wedding.

[Ben]

There'll be a lot of, like, she'll be that canopies, and it'll be just like, very. It'll look like midsummer or something like that. Like, people. It'll just be very hippie and.

[Ronnie]

But also with other families there just playing, they're like, oh, God, people getting married in the park. This is why we pay taxes. Great.

[Ben]

If Frisbee's gonna hit her in the middle of her vows. Oh, seriously, There's a wedding going on here?

[Ronnie]

I tried not to do this on Frisbee golf day.

[Ben]

Jill just catches it. You're all, suck a dick, Frisbee golfers.

[Ronnie]

Luke, I vow from here to when you hold me till I'm dead.

[Ben]

So.

[Ronnie]

Good thing, Diana. So you and Janet, you and Kristen have had your ups and downs. How's she gonna do as a mom? And Janet's like, she's gonna be a great mom, Andy, because she's a good dog mom, and that's hard. So I'm sure that Kristen will take her baby outside every time it needs to poop and make sure it adds a little water to their food to make sure it's not too hard to chew.

[Ben]

Wow, that's great insight. Well, there must have been something in the water in the valley that week, because just as Kristen and Luke were conceiving their fertile friends, Danny and Nia were getting pregnant with baby number four. Nia, how does this pregnancy been different for you?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, and she's like, you know, we've been saying ups and downs a lot so far this reunion, so I'm gonna go with ups and downs, Andy. Ups and downs. You know, and I get to enjoy it because there's not as many ups and downs. And Andy's like, danny, we heard you complain a lot about how little sleep you're getting. Why are you putting yourself through this just for a child? Could you hire no one? I mean, come on. And he's like, I didn't. She leg locked me, Andy. She legged me. Funny, right?

[Ben]

She's a fourth degree black belt. All right, well, is there a vasectomy in your future? You're just gonna. Just go for five? Under five. Yeah. I was gonna say, if there's any guys that Want to do a vasectomy with me? Oh, Jax, you're raising your hand. I'm not sure I want to do that with you, Jack. Sure. Okay. Because Jax is like, I'll do it. I totally want to do it. But, like, Jax, you haven't. Like you. I guess I'm wondering how many babies are out there that have been unclaimed by Jax and by pop culture.

[Ronnie]

How does Jack even has working sperm? Like, how does he have working sperm? Like, I just don't believe. I don't believe it.

[Ben]

Yeah, I agree. So, yeah, Jax wants to get one. And Andy's like, well, Jax, do you use birth control?

[Ronnie]

She.

[Ben]

He's like, do I use birth control? No. Condoms. Seriously? Condoms? Condoms are birth control, Jacks. Oh, I'm not really.

[Ronnie]

He's disgusting. I wouldn't touch that dirty dick with a 10 inch pole. He's gonna have 20 baby mamas if he doesn't get a vasectomy, Andy. And he's like, that's not what you said 4 months ago when we're out at the aquarium, and you were like, do you think we should hook up one more time? You said that. You said it. Who? Hooters. You said it four months ago at Hooter. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial. Wherever you go, whatever they get into, from chill time to everyday adventures, protect your dog from parasites with Cridelio guattro. For full safety information, sign effects and warnings, visit cordelioquattrolabel.com consult your vet or call 1-888-545-5973.

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[Ronnie]

Brittany's still going to Hooters with Jax. Like, that's why I can't with. With Brittany's whole, like, oh, really? I touched my dick with a ten foot pole. You went to Hooters with Jax? Brittany, come on, man. I'm trying to root for you here.

[Ben]

I'm confused because he's like, that's not what you said at the aquarium. And you said it then, but then he's like, you said it at Hooters. I'm like, did you go to Hooters or did you go to the aquarium?

[Ronnie]

It was a family.

[Ben]

Or did you have a date? The aquarium and then Hooters.

[Ronnie]

They went to aquarium. There was a family day. They took the kid to the aquarium of the Hooters. So this is Brittany and Jax were talking about.

[Ben]

It's great. It's just great. You know, I think that people always forget that Jax, like, knocked up that girl in Vegas and, like, what, paid for her abortion or something? Speaking of abortions.

[Ronnie]

Right.

[Ben]

That was a whole, like, a whole thing on season one of the show, season two. I mean, you would think after that you would maybe, you know, put a condom on or something, but, you know.

[Ronnie]

The rumors about what he's got going on down there. Yeah. I mean, I would think that you wear a condom, but I don't know. So Jax is like, oh, please, you wouldn't touch me. You're just, like, hooking up with a guy who, like, like, like who was hooking up with porn stars. So I'm sure you do that too. I mean, you're with only fan models and porn stars yourself. What are you talking about? Jax? Okay, please put up the picture of the lady that Jax is banging with the giant boobs, because I love every time they show that picture.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So funny. I don't know why that picture is so funny, but honestly, how can it not be, you know? I know.

[Ben]

I just love Jax saying you're sleeping with guys who sleep with porn stars. You are the guy who sleeps with porn stars, Jax.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And he's like, yeah, you with your. Like, I go to your room, there's condoms all over the floor. It's like, at least I use them. At least I use them. And then you throw them on the floor. Oh, God, this couple really is disgusting. I mean, Team Britney. But Both also team. Both gross some of the time, you know, like, oh, yeah.

[Ben]

All right, well, welcome back to the season two reunion. Okay, Kristen, have you and Nia bonded a lot during your journeys? She's like, oh, yeah. I don't know what I'd do without her. You know, just a fertility journey alone. And the whole pregnancy, she's already helped me with postpartum and all. Anything you could even ask for. It's Nia. He's like, okay, so Andy has postpartum.

[Ronnie]

Depression before we've even had our babies. Andy. So she's really on it. She's really on it.

[Ben]

Prepartum Fleetwood Mac.

[Ronnie]

I've already taught her to say no, Danny, No.

[Ben]

So the Andy asks about postpartum, and Nia's hoping that she doesn't have it this time because she. She was. She says that last time with the twins, there was just so many hormones that. That, like, you know, is what caused it. But you never know. You never know what's. It's out of her control. Etc. And then Andy feels bad for Nia for, you know, regarding her body image. He says, that was really heartbreaking to watch the press she puts on herself. So then we see again, she's at the plastic surgeon's office talking, going down a list of all the things that she wants adjusted.

[Ronnie]

Andy, who's already commented on a woman's weight and usually asks every woman on the stage when she last got plastic surgery, is like, whoa. Really feel bad about your body image. Welcome to Bravo, sucker. So what's a mommy makeover? Are you gonna get new pubes? Are you? Tell me about your new boobs. What are they gonna look like? Can I touch them? Do you have any exam. Do you have any samples I can just play with? I'll tell you which are better. Like, well, you know, I live in la, and, you know, it's good to want to feel good in your skin. You know, it's good to get another other skin. You know, give yourself grace. I try to find balance. And so she's planning a mommy makeover. And Brittany's like, I'll go.

[Ben]

I'll go with you. I'll go with you.

[Ronnie]

I think at the very least, Brittany should get rid of the boobs that Jax made her get, because, remember, those were forced boobs on Brittany. He's like, I'll pay for your boobs if you get a size triple Z. And she's like, whoa, I don't know. And everybody was like, brittany, please don't do this to yourself. I'm like, no, I'm gonna do it. And now she's like, ow, Ow. So get those out. At least you know that. Get the last reminder of Jax out of you.

[Ben]

She really should get those out. So they're all joking. Like, Jesse's like, I'll do it with you.

[Ronnie]

I just look in the mirror and see two Jack's heads staring back at me every time.

[Ben]

Just like an old Benny Hill sound. Just like that. They just snort every time.

[Ronnie]

They just snort and sweat.

[Ben]

What's that noise? Oh, my babes just snorting again. So got some Kleenex for my boobs.

[Ronnie]

They're snorting.

[Ben]

Michelle, seeing Chris and Nia is giving you baby fever. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I remember not sleeping well and your back hurting, but then I remembered that was because I was sleeping next to Jesse and he is pointy and hurts my back.

[Ronnie]

I have a constant dream that I'm having another baby that comes out with a little beanie on its head or a headband, and I cannot let myself do it, although Aaron wants multiple children, but I will not do it. I said, no, that is not going to happen, but I am open to it. And do you think you're gonna get engaged to Aaron? And she's like, there is no rush, but that is the goal. How can you not want to get married to a man whose eyes bob out every time you come in the room or anybody comes in the room or when he is sleeping generally. I love bobbing eyes, Andy.

[Ben]

Poor Michelle. So they just broke up or announced their breakup like, five days ago. So it's always so harsh when this happens on Bravo, when they're on TV talking about their future and they know it's already. We know it's already never going to happen.

[Ronnie]

So I think it's actually great. I mean, she's dating a guy who's selling honey called Kilo. His dog's called Kilo. And all of the descriptions on the website are like, yeah, you craven Kilo? Yeah, get your stash. Trying to get an eight ball, a kilo delivered to your house. I mean, it's obviously another Coke fan. I mean, you know, as a. As a Coke fan, I say that's probably not great for the. For the kids to.

[Ben]

Well, yeah, I'm not saying he's the right guy, but I'm just saying, like, it's when you see her talking like, yeah, there could be a future here, and you're like, no, no, it's already over. So this season we saw not one, but two married couples reach their Breaking point and file for divorce. Anyway, I want to start with Jesse and Michelle, America's sweethearts. Michelle, last season we saw your relationship on the rocks, and Jesse fighting to keep the marriage together, or at least doing fake tears and having one day of ayahuasca. What was the tipping point that made you leave? The only answ is his personality, but let's see what you have to say about it.

[Ronnie]

Did you watch season one, Andy? Like, why do I have to explain this to you? It was a lot. You know, I was dired every day of the same thing. You are always diminishing me that you are putting me down. And that is the bare minimum. And she's like, why do I want to be with somebody who treats me like, you know, old dead eyes over there's an asshole? What more do you want for me? You know? And then at one point, it's our anniversary, and I looked at him and I saw nothing in there but swirling smoke. And I asked myself, is this how you want Duville every day until you die? And so I left, you know, bye. And so he's like, well, we saw you guys struggling to co parent. That was fun. Has it gotten any better? And Jesse's like, it was pretty good. We're pretty good when it comes to decisions for Isabella. You know, is your mom a whore? Yes. We agree. So that's pretty good. But we struggle with something else. Oh, she says that. Wait, what did he say? Oh, I know that she weaponizes Isabella and I weaponize Isabella. We both weaponize Isabella. You know, she's still at that age where she's easy to, like, physically throw at each other. And so we do that. It's like a pillow fight, but with a toddler. You know, we put her into the.

[Ben]

Leg and shoot her at each other. It's my turn to put Isabella into my canyon cannon.

[Ronnie]

I'll put those little plastic baby sporks into her. Her hand, and then I'll fling her across the room and hope she gets Michelle on the eye. You know, it's just. It's. It's a fun game we play, Andy. So.

[Ben]

You know, someone on Twitter tweeted the following. He goes, it's so weird. Clearly, Jesse is problematic, but I can't put my finger on why Michelle comes across so unlikable and he doesn't. I would say, well, first of all, I think the answer to that is obviously, like, ingrained misogyny, right? I think that's like, step one, but step two is like, I feel like Jesse is. He's always on the offense and she's always on the defense. I feel like, well, not all, not all, not all the time, but a lot of the time. But like, Jesse is given space to like smile and laugh and be charismatic. And she has to be like, look at this, guys, look at this. And then people are like, boo, Michelle, you're so boring. You're so lame. You're not funny, you're not charismatic. Don't you feel like that's up, doesn't it?

[Ronnie]

Well, that's how they do it on these shows, on the, on the Vanderpump rules show. That's like a long standing tradition where the guy comes on and he acts charming, he acts like an asshole off screen, but he has a lot of charm and some, some looks. I mean, this guy is an ex model, you know, and they come on and they act like, oh, I'm doing all the right things. I'm going to therapy and trying to work things out for the sake of the baby. When meanwhile, they're calling their wife fat off screen, screaming at them, staying out all night, going through over a million dollars in cash throughout the year while their wife is stuck at home with the kid, probably cheating, doing all of this other crap, making them crazy. And so then they come act charming on and her like. And then say one little thing to keep pushing after pushing and pushing. And then she gets mad and then everyone's like, God, she's a bitch. And he's a real handsome, charming guy. I can see why he wants to be her. We've seen it happen with Tom and Katie. You know, Tom did that for years with Katie. We see it with Tom Sandoval and Ariana, how he tried to play that off. I mean, he got caught, but he tried to play that off the whole last season. Like, she's just frigid and doesn't want anything to do with me, bro. We see it with Jax and how Jax has always been with Brittany, you know, just trying to push her and then be like, why are you yelling at me when I'm trying to make all these changes? I mean, it's Bravo. It's a Bravo standard, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah, I think he said it so perfectly.

[Ronnie]

Pull out the charm, make the woman look crazy. And the thing that makes me crazy is the women who fall for it. And I see it all the time in the comment sections too. You know, Michelle's job isn't to make you feel like she's charming and fun, guys. She's not trying to date you. She's Just trying to survive with the kid, for Christ's sake.

[Ben]

Yeah, you couldn't have said it any better. Like, this is not even really up for debate. Like, I'm so 100 in agreement with you on this one. Like, I just think it's so unfair that, like, these guys like Jesse come out here and he says, well, you know, she weaponizes Isabella. And we all know. We don't even need Michelle to explain how he does it, too. We all know that he does because we see him doing it. Him actually saying that right now on screen is him weaponizing Isabella. And, like, then she gets. She has to defend herself and she has to set the record straight. And she gets mad. And when, you know, when women get mad, they're hysterical. When men get mad, they're brave or whatever. And I think it's just bullshit. I'm like, totally team Michelle on this entire reunion. I just want to say, well, especially.

[Ronnie]

If you add up all the stuff that Jesse does. It's like, people. And I do think that Jesse does have charm. He seems like he's a cool guy when he's not acting, like, completely fucking psycho. But, you know, tip one. Dead eyes. I'm sorry. And yes, you can help.

[Ben]

Hair dent. I'm sorry. Tip 0.5 or Tip 1. Hair Dent.

[Ronnie]

Tip 3. Instead of going to therapy, he goes to men's ayahuasca retreats. Okay. Which is like a drug trip, let's be honest with. With the guys.

[Ben]

Tip. For his entire personality and everything that.

[Ronnie]

He says, tip number five, constantly calls you a whore whenever he doesn't like you or tells all of your friends that you're literally a whore going through all.

[Ben]

Tip 6. Wouldn't let your daughter see your dying mother. And yeah, doesn't matter what he says. He, like, he do that. His instinct was to say no to that. So.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, crazy, too. No, it makes me crazy, too. But, you know, obviously, Michelle's not perfect. Michelle does a lot of stupid things, too. I mean, Michelle's whole, like, going with Aaron two seconds after, that's not. That's not really great to bring a young kid into a new relationship so fast. You know, there's, like, a lot of stuff you could ding Michelle on, but I think on the overall, you know, the overall relationship thing, you look at how Jesse treats Michelle. Yeah, I'm going to be team Michelle.

[Ben]

I think. I think here's what works for Jesse is that he has a sense of humor, and Michelle doesn't really have a sense of humor. Like, he'll make little jokes throughout the season. And he even makes little jokes at the reunion, and he'll, like, laugh and smile. And Michelle, like, when she tries to make a little jokes, they're, like, not very good. And so I think that, like, people who are like, she's not funny. She's boring. And then that sort of like. That somehow, like, enters the.

[Ronnie]

The.

[Ben]

The fray that somehow becomes part of people's decision on whether they're team Michelle or team. Team Jesse. And it really shouldn't be. It's like, whether or not she's boring, it's like she's still, like, she's dealing with a monster.

[Ronnie]

It's really hard on a show like the Valley when most of the people are terrible to kind of parse what's happening. Because everyone's terrible in one way, but they can still be right in a situation, right? So, like, Michelle, to me, is terrible in a lot of ways. I mean, I'm never gonna forget the season one thing of, you know, I was talking to Michelle and Michelle, you know, Michelle's a Republican, which, look, I know a lot of Republicans. It's not like, I'm just gonna hate you if you think differently than me. But that turned out to be allegedly about don't say gay. You know that law. Don't say gay. She's, like, behind that. So, you know, there's stuff like that that, you know, we haven't really gone over again and again on the show. But, like, I'm not gonna, like, there's. It's gonna be a long time. There's things like that. There's always standing by Janet. Even though Janet's so mean and terrible. She's always gonna stand by Janet, even though Janet started that whole thing in season one. Janet ultimately is sticking by Michelle, and they've made a. An alliance, and they're going to stick together no matter what happens. And so there's so many things about Michelle that I don't like. But in this situation, Michelle is, you know, I choose Michelle over Jesse. Jesse has 100%. He has charm and he, like you said, he has humor. He has a natural charm. I mean, like she asked later in the episode, or maybe it's next week. I don't know if it's in a preview, but where she's like, oh, really? Who's paying your rent? Who's paying your mortgage? Jesse, because you don't have any money. And she's already insinuated that some rich guy's been paying his mortgage. Mortgage and stuff like that. So he's Got charm that he can live off of and that he gets by on. Especially in a town like LA where you really just need a slight amount of charm and a lot of good looks and you're. You're golden for your whole life. Yeah, so he's already living off of that. So. Yeah, I'm gonna cut Michelle a break on this. You know, all the other stuff aside, she wins on this.

[Ben]

She does win. And I just want to also point out that the counterbalance to her standing by Janet's side is that Jesse, of course, stands by Jax's side, so that those two really cancel themselves out. Not that it really matters in this discussion, but I just. I just always want to point out evil when I see it.

[Ronnie]

That's true.

[Ben]

So, anyway, sorry for that diversion.

[Ronnie]

Something, Ben. See something, say something.

[Ben]

It's really the best use of it. Guys, that person supports Jax.

[Ronnie]

Hey, wait a minute. Those two are hitting each other with a toddler.

[Ben]

Back to weaponizing the baby. So Jesse says that Michelle weaponizes the baby, and she's like, no, I don't, because. Yeah, you do. No, I don't. Yeah, you do. No, I don't. Read the comments online. You weaponize your daughter. Which point. Andy. Andy. By the way, I love Andy doing these reunions because, as we've noted many times with Vanderpump and Southern Charms Summer House, he doesn't give it a about these people, and he doesn't kiss their ass because they're. They're not divas the way the housewives are. So he's always ready to just sort of, like, cut them down when he can. And he's like, excuse me. It's not up to the comments online to discuss. To determine who weaponizes what. Yeah, and.

[Ronnie]

And he's like, okay, if you don't weaponize her, then. Explained what you said to my mom. And she said to her mom, if you are going to. If you are not going to allow Isabella Doozy, my mom Uzabella going to die, she will not be flying to Bosden for Christmas and spending the week in Bosden. And he goes, ever again. You said. You said ever again. And she said, exactly, Exactly. And he's like, well, she should. And Janice, like, yeah, but she should have said that. And hate to agree with Janet, but yeah.

[Ben]

Yeah, she should have. 100. That's not weapon.

[Ronnie]

That's not weaponizing your daughter for trying to fight the battle for you.

[Ben]

You.

[Ronnie]

If your mom doesn't also. If your mom is also trying to agree that she shouldn't get to Go see her. Your mom should be standing up and saying, no, your kid needs to see the other mom before she dies. Your mom would want that respect, so fuck your mom too.

[Ben]

Yeah. And this also, to me was not weaponizing the child. I feel like weaponizing the child is like, hey, can you get me a new car? If you don't get me a new car, you're never. I will not let you see your daughter. Like, that's what not like if you don't let my. If you don't let me see my daughter. By the way, if you. And I think I. I kind of feel like anytime you have to start a sentence by saying if you don't let me see, like let me have my daughter for this moment, that means that the other person has inherently been weaponizing the child. That's what I. That's, that's how it impresses me as. And yeah, like this is just weaponizing.

[Ronnie]

This is a game of did verdad. Yeah.

[Ben]

It's a big for dad. Yeah.

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[Ben]

And by the way, is there, if one mother is dying, isn't that implicitly the same as saying, I'm not gonna let my daughter see your mom ever again also? I mean, think about that.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, good point. It's dark.

[Ben]

Dark, but it's true. You said ever again also. You just didn't articulate it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, this whole reunion's really. Everything brought up is fucking dark. And so Jesse's like, well, she knows the truth. She knows the truth of that story. She's okay. Then what happened? You know, it worked. And that is how I have to talk to you. I have to treat you that way. And he's like, but you weaponized Isabella. And she's like. They're like, her mom was dying, Jesse. And he goes, okay, but the truth is, I never said she couldn't see her dying mother. She planned a trip to go to Italy with her boyfriend for two weeks and she wanted her sister to take the baby for the week and then let. And then me take her for a week. And I hired a behavior therapist. We hired abior there. We did. We. And he's like, to teach us about how to talk about mortality with a four year old. Here's how you do it, okay? You sit the four year old down and you say, you remember that goldfish we bought you that you got at that birthday party? How it died and we flushed it down the toilet? That's what's happening to grandma soon. So get your hugs in. Take all the gum out of her purse. This is your last chance. I mean, it's your job as parents to sit down and explain how people die. People die. That's a fact of life. Explain it. You need a behavioral therapist, Jesse.

[Ben]

I know. I'm sorry.

[Ronnie]

Give me a fucking.

[Ben]

Sorry. You. Yeah, I agree. Well, because these are two people who don't understand emotions. So they have to hire someone who, like, actually, you know, is a professional at explaining them. Because, like, why don't you ask I don't know literally anyone else who has a child who's dealt with this because unfortunately, this is part of life. Like, how do you just not Ask a friend. How did you. How did you deal with it? Why don't just go to Google, just chat. Fucking GPT. I mean, it's this whole thing about hiring the. I'm not opposed to hiring a behavioral therapist at all. I'm just saying it felt to me like it was a. Not a roadblock, but it was like it was a speed bump or something. Like it was something that Jesse was insisting on intentionally to draw out this process so that we have to send Isabella to see the mom. Like.

[Ronnie]

Right. That's why it's so stupid. It's a fight over, like, who gets to talk to the kid about mortality. Right?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Who's gonna do it? Well, I get to do it. No, I get to do it. No, I get to do it. Well, I'm not ready to do it. So until I do it, it. We're not gonna see your mom because it's gonna hurt you. I mean, it's. It's just so gross, you know, you don't.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

If it was. If. And I'm being so kind of cynical about it because obviously the discussion isn't really. We need to talk to the kid about mortality. It's like. Like you're saying we're just gonna use this as a tent pole.

[Ben]

Yeah. Well, he just. He was. She's like, I want to see. He. It's. It's his way of saying no without. Just. To the request of letting the child see the grandmother without saying no. He's. He's. He's gonna be like, let me throw some bureaucratic element into it.

[Ronnie]

Right.

[Ben]

Like, this is. It's like, okay, before. Before she sees the grandma. We have to go and talk to a mortality specialist or a behavioral specialist to discuss. But. And then they're probably like, then let's have a discussion about what we're gonna say. He just wants to throw some in to delay the process so that way he doesn't have to, like, cater to this inevitable situation.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And Michelle is like, yeah. And they told you the behavioral therapist or whatever that you forced us to go to were the ones that told you she. To see my mom, and they had to tell you that you needed to give me grace, and you had to do all these things, and you still didn't do them. So, like, you still made me go to this behavioral. Whatever. You didn't get what you wanted, and you still. You still got your way.

[Ben]

Yeah. And she's basically saying you're acting like you're a saint for hiring this. This therapist force that way you could have a really, you know, like, thoughtful way of discussing mortality. But actually, what it was was that you were stubborn and didn't want to help out, and you were hoping that. That the therapist was gonna be on your side, and they had to tell you, no, you're wrong. And you still dug your heels in.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then what's the status of the divorce? They have a custody agreement knocked, you know, ironed out, but they still don't have a settlement. He. She has a lawyer. He does not have a lawyer. And so she's just been paying out the ass for six months, which I'm sure he loves, because he's, like, from the Japanese school of, well, let's just keep making her pay for. Yeah, I'm not gonna pay.

[Ben]

Precisely.

[Ronnie]

So.

[Ben]

Michelle's like, he represents himself, so he thinks he knows the law. And he's like, well, I've watched Suits three times, including Suits la, and I'm currently watching it now. So that was a joke, everyone.

[Ronnie]

Charm and Janice. Like, do you guys think Jesse could pass the bar? That'd be hilarious. Mandy's like, well, I mean, it's a clean divorce. You guys are broke, so what's the issue? And she's like, well, he got mad that I spent any money during the marriage, so he wanted me to pay him back money I spend during the marriage. And he's like, no, I didn't. She goes, yes, that is how it went. And he goes, well, our entire divorce, sadly, has become this, Andy, as you can see, a tit for tat. Well, yeah, when you were the one who blew through a million dollars of your savings while she was stuck at home with a baby. And now you want her to pay back for whatever she did spend. Is fucking nuts. It's crazy. But he makes a suits joke, and so everybody's fine with him.

[Ben]

Exactly. And then he's like, yeah, it's just become tit for tat. And he goes, sounds like it. Which is Andy's way of saying, like, you two idiots need to figure it out.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So Jesse's like, well, she wants me to. She wants me to pay her back for a Napa trip. She's. I don't want you to pay anything back. Why don't you guys just call it even and shut up already? And Janet's like, she's been asking that. And let me tell you something. As someone who's married to a lawyer, I just want to say quid pro quo. Okay, thanks so much.

[Ronnie]

So he's like, yeah, Andy. Well, I was Working on it this week when I got her discovery. She goes, oh, my discovery, huh? And he's like, yeah, this war of attrition is exhausting. I mean, I'm just done. I mean, I watched. I reached out to her attorney about how to move because I want her to move forward with Aaron. I mean, I just need. I just want her to be in love, Andy, and have happiness, but my life is a mess, but I want to start putting out fires where I can. And I spoke to my attorney, and Jen is like, aren't you representing yourself? And he goes, yes. And they're like, so you spoke to yourself? And he goes, I have a team of consultants that I work with, okay?

[Ben]

So Lisa Barlow's team, she lent them to him. So Jen is like, is that Jason? Just like, hi, I am not on the team. I'm on the team. That was hilarious, though. That's a good one, Janet.

[Ronnie]

So war of attrition is exactly what Jesse is doing, because that's where you wear down your opponent, you know? And that's exactly what he's doing. He's like, I'm not even gonna get a lawyer. I'm not gonna make an effort to take this seriously at all. I'm just gonna keep, you know, filing random things to keep this going forever until she's broke and gives me what I want.

[Ben]

And then he gets to sit there and cry and be like, I just want her to start her new life, and my life is a mess. And yet he won't actually say why his life is a mess. I mean, she'll say it, but then he denies everything, and yet will. He denies all the money, and yet is happy to claim the part that his life is a mess for sympathy. So that's really convenient for him.

[Ronnie]

Well, he does say why his life is a mess, because now he's trying to pay this huge mortgage with only half the income because they made money together, but now that she's left him, he can't make the money because they were a business together.

[Ben]

Well, whose fault is that? Whose fault? Whose fault? You know what? There's a way to still. To divorce and still do business together, but, like, he it up by being a total.

[Ronnie]

And it also shows who did the business in that family, because she's not complaining. So apparently she's fine at all, you know?

[Ben]

Yep. Yep. All right, Jesse, how are things with your girlfriend in Orange County? Do you two watch Baywatch together? No, we do not. Michelle has. Your relationship with Jess's girlfriend. Do you interact with her at All. I don't have any sort of relationship with her, nor do I want to.

[Ronnie]

He's like, well, my girlfriend made the decision about a month after we started dating to reach out to Michelle, to set boundaries, mother to mother, which Aaron never did to me, father to father. And he's like, well, I mean, a month into the relationship seems pretty new. And he goes, well, we'd been. We'd been together for a month, and she'd been spending a lot of time with Isabella. So, you know, she had the mother to mother call. That's what people do.

[Ben]

That is to mother, I think within a month is, like, very. That's wild. That's, like, very wild. Like, that's. That's so early to be having that phone call, if you ask me. I don't know. I think that's. At that point, that's like a thing where Jesse and Michelle have a conversation with each other. But, like, that's way too early to do the mother to mother call. If you ask me. And I say this as someone who's not married and has never been in.

[Ronnie]

This position, of course, I don't know. I wouldn't see a problem with it if it was a call that was like, hey, my name is, you know, alleged flat Earther, which I know is not true now because we got an email about it. But anyway, it's still fine. So I've been dating Jesse, and I'm spending a lot of time with your kid, and I just wanted you to know I have no. You know, I support you. If there's anything you want me to know or whatever, I'm not ever gonna try and step on your toes. I'm not here to become this kid's mother.

[Ben]

We know it wasn't that conversation.

[Ronnie]

You know, if it's something like that, that's just like, I come in peace. If you ever need to talk to me or ask me anything, here's my number. I know it might be weird that I'm hanging out with your kid, but I'm not trying to take. You know, if it's a conversation like that, I wouldn't have any kind of a problem with it. Right? I mean, I would probably do that.

[Ben]

I know what you're saying. And that thought did cross my mind. I was like, you know what? Like, I think that would be a very mature, you know, good thing. But I think that given how bitter the divorce is, I don't know, I think I would just, like, tread carefully and. I mean, maybe. I mean, this is conspiratorial maybe Jesse set this girl up for failure knowing that it would piss off Michelle. If this girl called Michelle and he was like, you should call Michelle and set some boundaries. She calls Michelle, Michelle bites her head off, because she's like, who do you think you are, a mother? You know, there's like a flash in the pan, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, like, I would not be surprised if Jesse were actually somehow behind this. But that is conspiratorial, I understand.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, the wording. The wording she called. She called Michelle to set some boundaries is pretty bizarre.

[Ben]

That's where it's weird to set boundaries. I was like, no, it's to receive boundaries.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Doesn't get to set the boundaries. And.

[Ben]

And given the, like, the cease and desist that came, you know, later on, I just can't imagine that the conversation had the same vibe as you proposed.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Michelle's like, idol Jesse. Our agreement was, Aaron doesn't need to be involved, and she does not need to be involved. The decisions are between us. And Brittany's like, well, you. You guys agreed to not have anyone around your child, and Michelle did not have anyone around her child. And you and Isabella never told Michelle that. You tried to get mad because Michelle wanted to have Aaron around, and you said no because he was a man, but you were allowed to have your girlfriend around, so what the hell? And then the next day, she's braiding her hair. So you're the one who messed up first. You're the one who messed up first. And I got it on my ring cam. I got it on my ring cam.

[Ben]

And Brittany did a pretty good job of summarizing that. I mean, really, it's basically like, yeah, Jesse, as much as Jesse likes to complain, like, oh, Michelle. Michelle went right into Aaron's arms right away. It's like Michelle was like, no, I was actually, yes, I was with Aaron, but I was not bringing Aaron around the dog like our daughter. And. But you right away brought this new girl from Orange county around our daughter. So then I was like, sure, I'm gonna bring Aaron around the daughter.

[Ronnie]

So he says, there's more to the story. And the other side is that Michelle came up to him and said, I would never put my daughter in an unsafe position. I can introduce her to whoever I want. And Michelle's like, well, but I said, when the diamonds ride, I will let you know and you can meet him. And then you said, you're never, ever going to introduce a man to our daughter. And he goes, well, what I Said is it's different introducing a little girl to a girl who's also a mother as opposed to a little girl meeting a 35 year old guy who has a roommate when Michelle starts. Started dating him. Okay, that's not a terrible point because there are a lot of creepy men who date women just to have access to their children. We know that. It's, it's a crazy world. It's a up world. That's not the mo. That's not the craziest thing that Jesse has said. However, you're getting a divorce and you no longer have that say like, you don't have that say like you're getting a divorce. And your wife, she's being nice and saying, I'll introduce you. I'll keep this as open as, as possible. You don't get to come in and make rules like that she's going to date whoever the she wants and she doesn't have to, she doesn't have to tell you or introduce them to the kid at all. She's being nice by offering that.

[Ben]

Yeah, I, I think it's, I think it's a double standard that he set up and I don't think it's, I don't think it's right. So Britney is like, that's control. JC And Michelle's like, the roles are not the same. That's the frustration. And Janet and it's like seems sexist. I say that as someone who's married to a lawyer, so I understand these things. And Jesse is like, well, I just thought it was different. All right, well, what did, what did you make of the rumors your girlfriend was saying negative things about you? He's like, me, I'm Jesse. Yeah, who, who would say something negative about me? I don't believe it. And you know what I mean? Like, she kind of holds my feet to the fire and I really love that.

[Ronnie]

So Janet mentioned in Santa Barbara that this chick was threatening legal stuff. And Janet's like, yeah, that's where it turned. Because she wanted to silence Michelle from talking about the Baywatch thing and a lot of other bullet points. And Jesse's like, well, no, I mean other bullet points.

[Ben]

The Baywatch thing and other bullet points. Of course.

[Ronnie]

She said, get into the Dukes of Hazzard thing. Where do we get to chips? Wait till we get to chips.

[Ben]

Knight Rider is not as. Is not up for discussion because that counts under the, the David Hasselhoff umbrella.

[Ronnie]

This woman even dated Kit.

[Ben]

So Michelle Lolly is kind of like the kid of this cast. Let's Be honest.

[Ronnie]

I am. Here.

[Ben]

What would you like?

[Ronnie]

I'm waiting out of run for you.

[Ben]

What do you need? Michael Lolly, writer.

[Ronnie]

Did for dad. Did for dad. Did for dad. Did for dad.

[Ben]

Jesse. Jesse. Jesse. Jesse.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so Jesse's like, well, it was a cease and desist letter, not a lawsuit. I mean, she didn't sign a contract. She didn't take money like Aaron did to be on this show. And she goes, aaron did not take a dollar. He just dug a lot of free advertising for his go gain. Honey.

[Ben]

I like. Oh, but he sure showed up quite a bit. He's like. Which is great. If you're going to date somebody on reality tv, it's important to show up Danny.

[Ronnie]

Who wanted to take nabs the whole time.

[Ben]

Ow. That was a stray. Four strays under four.

[Ronnie]

Congratulations. You've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

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[Ronnie]

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