#2952 The Valley S2E16 Part Two: Lost Sporkle

Summary

Detailed Summary of "Watch What Crappens" Episode #2952: "The Valley S2E16 Part Two: Lost Sporkle"

Introduction

In Episode #2952 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the tumultuous events of Season 2, Episode 16 Part Two of Bravo's reality series The Valley. This episode, titled "Lost Sporkle," unpacks the intense drama surrounding the show's central figures, exploring themes of abuse, mental health, and interpersonal conflicts. Throughout the discussion, Ben and Ronnie provide sharp commentary, blending humor with critical analysis to offer listeners a comprehensive recap of the episode's key moments.

Main Recap

1. Relationship Dynamics: Jesse and Michelle

   The hosts begin by examining the strained relationship between Jesse and Michelle. Ronnie highlights Michelle's perspective on Jesse's behavior, emphasizing her belief that Jesse is the primary source of toxicity in their relationship. For instance, at [02:06], Ronnie states:

   “Jason's advice was don't date somebody who agreed to share their life on camera if she feels very private about it.”

   This sets the stage for a deeper exploration of the couple's issues, including financial struggles and emotional abuse.

2. Abuse Allegations Against Jesse

   A significant portion of the discussion centers on the escalating tension between Jesse and Michelle, particularly focusing on allegations of domestic abuse. Michelle accuses Jesse of physical violence, including throwing furniture and verbally demeaning her. Ronnie poignantly captures this at [04:54]:

   “He threw a coffee table at her and made her knee turn black. And then she says he threw her into the rose bushes.”

   Ben and Ronnie dissect these accusations, questioning Jesse's denial and accountability. For example, at [27:12], Ronnie critiques Jesse's stance:

   “And he's like, I never did that... Everyone knows it's true.”

3. Jax's Mental Health Struggles

   The episode also delves into Jax's mental health challenges, culminating in his decision to seek help at a mental health facility. The hosts discuss the timing and authenticity of his efforts, with Ronnie expressing skepticism:

   “So it's like another element in it is that he's actually physically touched her.”

   Ben adds his insights on Jax's behavior and the inconsistencies in his narrative, highlighting the complexity of his character's portrayal.

4. Boys Chat Controversy

   An intriguing subplot involves the "Boys Chat" group, where male cast members engage in derogatory discussions and share inappropriate content. The hosts are particularly critical of Kenny from Love Island Season 6 being part of this group, addressing his troubling behavior:

   “He used to have a tongue ring. So I think he's always been a bit of a douche.”

   They explore the broader implications of such behavior in reality TV circles, emphasizing the need for accountability and cultural change.

Hosts' Insights and Reactions

Ben and Ronnie do not shy away from expressing their disdain for the toxic behaviors exhibited by the show's cast members. Their candid and often blunt commentary provides listeners with a critical lens through which to view the unfolding drama. For instance, during a heated exchange at [39:28], Ronnie exclaims:

“You are a piece of shit. You are irredemptive. I don't care if you get clean. I don't care. It doesn't even matter. You're a terrible person.”

This moment encapsulates the hosts' frustration and serves as a cathartic release for listeners who share their sentiments.

Notable Quotes

• Ronnie Karam at [02:06]:

  “Sheena's called my girlfriend and said, no one will like you as long as you're with Jesse.”

• Ben Mandelker at [29:10]:

  “I do not believe you. I do not believe you. I don't even care if you're sober.”

• Ronnie Karam at [27:36]:

  “You're totally irrelevant, irresponsible. You are an irresponsible person, and you definitely do not. Should not be in a position of, like, being a guardian to this child.”

These quotes highlight the intensity and emotional weight of the discussions, underscoring the severity of the conflicts portrayed in The Valley.

Conclusions and Future Expectations

As the episode wraps up, Ben and Ronnie hint at continuing drama and unresolved tensions that will carry into upcoming episodes. They anticipate further revelations and confrontations, keeping listeners engaged and eager for Part Three of their recap series. The hosts emphasize the importance of holding reality TV stars accountable for their actions both on and off-camera, advocating for more responsible and authentic portrayals in the genre.

Closing Remarks

Episode #2952 of Watch What Crappens offers a raw and unfiltered examination of The Valley's latest developments. Through incisive commentary and passionate debate, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam deliver a detailed and engaging summary that not only recaps the episode but also provides critical insights into the broader issues of abuse, mental health, and toxic masculinity within reality television.

Transcript

[Ronnie]

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[Andy]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

Guess what happens when there's so much happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?

[Andy]

Well, hello and welcome to watch what Happens. This is is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

[Ronnie]

So Jan is like, you know, nobody's putting a gun to her, to her head to date you. And like, Jason's advice was don't date somebody who agreed to share their life on camera if she feels very private about it. So Jesse's like, oh. While Sheena was very, very vocal about that, Sheena called my girlfriend and said, no one will like you as long as you're with Jesse. Listen, I mean, I don't think she is wrong.

[Andy]

I know, but Sheena's also with Brock, so I don't know. I don't know that Sheena has many legs to stand on in this one.

[Ronnie]

True, but Brock has an Australian accent and Jesse has a hair dent, so I don't know. I'm still gonna say Jesse's worse.

[Andy]

Sheena, who tried to get Ariana to make up with Tom so she could still have a show to shoot on. It's like, don't be nice to the bad gu. So Andy's like, so, Jesse, do you think Michelle is anxious to finalize her divorce so she can get married to Aaron and start a new family? And he's like, if that's the next step, that's fine. I can't wait until I stop her new babies from seeing her dying mother.

[Ronnie]

All right, Jax, hearing all this, were you listening? Jax? He's like, no. Okay, well, do you think it's gonna be hard for you when Britt starts dating a man, then she introduces him to Cruz? He's like, yes. Do you think it's gonna be hard for you when she just dates a man without introducing him to Cruise? Yes. Do you think it's gonna be hard for you when Britt just sees a man? Yes.

[Andy]

Rough on you when Brittany starts eating chicken wings alone in her bed? Sorry, it's already happened. Okay, Brittany. And she's like, well, he starts to fight with me every day about who I talk to and who I'm around. Every day. Every day, Andy. Okay. Every day. And he's like, well, why do you have any jurisdiction about who she's talking to? He's like, oh, I don't o. Just my mentality. Like, I'm trying to work on it, Andy. I am. I am. It's me and Jack. You know, I'm trying. Becoming a do me, Andy. I'm becoming a do me. I'm like a little flower biting up. It's just New Jacks. New Jacks, Andy.

[Ronnie]

Christine goes, just keep it to yourself. Just don't say it to her. Okay?

[Andy]

I get triggered, though. Yeah, I get triggered. I'm triggered.

[Ronnie]

Do you have a therapist?

[Andy]

Yeah. Do you go to the therapist?

[Ronnie]

Do you listen to therapists?

[Andy]

Yeah. Yeah, you know, I do. Like, every. Every Monday, I go, you know, I've been to four therapists, Andy. None of them have worked out. You know, not one of them has told me what I wanted to hear. So, you know, I finally found one I've been to twice. So, you know, that's pretty good. You know, you know, me back in Vanderpump, I had two or three. You know, there was the Reiki chick. Tried to her. There was other chick. I don't remember what she was doing. Tried to her, too, though. But, you know, then I went to that meeting with Laura Lee or whatever the her name was, you know, dumped her outside of the AA meeting. So that was like therapy, right? Yeah, I've trying, Andy. I've been trying.

[Ronnie]

All right, well, have his brain. Have his Monday therapy sessions approved. Anything for you? She's like, no. And he's like, okay, well, Jesse, I want to talk about your budding romance with Kristen and Luke. You reached out to Kristen with an apology at the beginning of the summer. Why would you do that? Aside from the. You know, we know. Because the producers told you to do it. He's like, well, listen, Kristen sent me the most gracious text message. I was like, wow, that's very, very, very big of her to take that first step. But basically said, do you mind bringing napkins to our park wedding? And I thought it was nice for someone to see some utility in me. And I started to just think about what my role played and what happened last year, which is, of course, all Michelle Lally's fault.

[Andy]

I love. Kristen and Jesse are just both so full of shit. You're friends because you both hate Michelle and Michelle hates both of you. And you have now teamed up so that you have allies. Like, why are we acting like, wow, they became friends because they were kind to each other in a text, but whatever. So she says that she was wary of him inviting her over, but she went anyway. And, you know, I don't think he really understood Andy that when he does things like slams his hands on the table like, whoa. Or yells at a woman or threatens her, that. That could be triggering to women, you know, because sometimes women go through those things. So he just had to understand that little part, and then we were good. Oh, I love it. It's like, I know that threatening women was triggering.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So I like that. It's like, oh, just a slamming on the table had nothing to do with the words that came out of his mouth or his personality. It was just merely that he made some loud noise and that was triggering. Okay, great.

[Andy]

Yeah. So there was no I'm sorry. But it was easy to give her, give him a chance once he realized he was a triggering person. So next question is to Michelle. You know, you told Jess he loves to cry. So people think you're cold and insensitive, which we've gone over. It's true. And she's like, yeah, I'm guarded. It's hard for me to cry. But he can gry, you know, @ the snap of the fingers. And people love to see a man crying and being vulnerable.

[Ronnie]

And then they show a montage, which is great, of him just fake crying throughout all the years.

[Andy]

And the best one was when he was crying. Michelle's like, oh, give me a break. And he's like. And he turned evil and dropped the tears, right?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Kirsten's like, I think the conversation. Like, the conversation. That last one, the montage, that was one of the most raw and vulnerable conversations from both of you. But then it turns out after that nice conversation at the end of the season, it went sour right afterwards, which is, like, not a surprise. So Jesse explains it. He's like, you know, he is a crier. He's like, I've seen Rudy 40 times, and I cry every single time they carry him off the field. I don't know if that. You're still a faker. You're still a fake crier. You can cry at a movie and still be a fake crier. I hate to break it to you.

[Andy]

Just Jesse making another hilarious pop culture reference to, you know, get his charm out there instead of just fessing up to being a fucking faker manipulator. You know, he's like, Rudy suits. Janet's like, well, I like Dave and Buster's. So. So, yeah, Janet calls him out for that, like, fake cry when they dried up really quickly. And he's like, which. Which conversation was that? Michelle's like, the scheduling conversation. And Janet's like, yeah, those cheers were really gone. And then it just cuts to Zach going, we could say the same thing about you.

[Ronnie]

Zach getting a nice little lick in there. So Jesse was like, those tears were, like, the first holidays since, you know, since we separated that we wouldn't be together. Those were holiday fake tears. So Jason's like, well, I think, like, at the time we were filming, I mean, you guys were only separated, like, less than a year. So I think you guys are saying, like, unless Jesse is a complete sociopath, he wouldn't.

[Andy]

He.

[Ronnie]

He would have tears. Like, it's an emotional situation for everybody. No, we are saying he's a sociopath, Jason. That is exactly correct. We are calling him a sociopath.

[Andy]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And there's no two ways about it.

[Andy]

It's all in the eyes, Jason, but glad you're here to stand up for another abuser piece of mail. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Jason's like, I mean, unless you're calling him a cold, manipulative asshole. I mean, I think he, of course, would be emotional, but, yeah, we're calling him a cold. That's exactly what we're calling him.

[Andy]

Jason, you'd be really great at Balderdash. So, Andy, this is Balderdash for the one where you explain things and people have to figure out what they are?

[Ronnie]

Sort of. Yeah. Definitions.

[Andy]

Yeah. Nailed a Balderdash joke. Okay. So Andy's like, okay, we're back. Nia, I heard about your new House of Santa Clarita, Sucker. What made you fold so quickly? And she's like, it's really big. I have five bedrooms. I mean, sometimes I drive back to Santa Clarita and I look around and, you know, I do what most citizens do in Santa Clarita. I go, ew. I'm in Santa Clarita. But, you know, she's really big.

[Ronnie]

She really is. Like, oh, my God, what is this choice I made? Just remember, you have an extra room now.

[Andy]

Someone's not going to be president of, like, the Chamber of Commerce in Santa Clarita. She's like, God, this place sucks.

[Ronnie]

Jasmine just realized you're here. Did you sell them the house? Jasmine's like, no, I don't work in that territory. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Just in case I got transferred there. But, no, I would never sell a house in Santa Clarita. All right, well, as multiple marriages were coming apart at the seams, a thread known as Boys Chat was going strong, fueled by drama, scandal, rumors, and apparently, lots of vagina pics. Jax, for all of us who are not lucky enough to be on Boys Chat, pull the curtain back for us. No, I. That's not the same as show us your dick. Although you can if you want. Okay. Pull the curtain back for us. And what kind of things are you guys talking about?

[Andy]

Well, it started at Schwartz's wedding. You know, just kind of started as, like, all the guys talking and, you know, because, like, we were all living in little houses on the property, so, yeah, we started setting checks and stuff. Yeah, they were sending pictures, like, vaginas to each other. Slipper vaginas. Know what that means? But vagina pictures, you know.

[Ronnie]

And degrading women 24. 7. Okay. And Andy's like, okay, who on this stage is still in the Boys Chat? Is it just. Just Jackson Jesse? And is it true that Kenny from Love Island Season 6 is in the Boys? That's a whole different gross.

[Andy]

Ah, that turned out to be horrible. I never saw. I would like to think of myself as a pretty good judge of character. I never saw that coming from Kenny, did you?

[Ronnie]

I did not. I always thought, like, there was the. It was. It was an odd duo, the two of them. You know, he's always showing up in khakis, and I thought, like, really?

[Andy]

What?

[Ronnie]

Like, I just didn't think that, like, a guy in khakis all the time was gonna be, like, up for, like, flashy social media. I wouldn't even think he'd be on. On Love Island. And then it turns out there's a reason why, I don't know, you can wear khakis and not be, like, a racist and all the things that ain't cloud chaser, like Kenny is. I'm just saying that, like.

[Andy]

Yeah, well, for those of you who don't know, this is a couple, like, one of the favorites from last two seasons ago of Love island that are now on this Love island aft, you know, beyond the villa show. And apparently she went through his phone and found all these texts where he's like, I don't even like black women, and was calling her all these names and. Yeah, like, horrible.

[Ronnie]

Allegedly. Yeah.

[Andy]

Yeah. I mean, I just. I just see what I see on the Internet.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying.

[Andy]

But, yeah, it's.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So he turned out to be a real piece of garbage.

[Andy]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

He turned texting his friends.

[Andy]

I thought, he's so nice.

[Ronnie]

He talks like this.

[Andy]

He cried, you know, usually, I believe the criers.

[Ronnie]

Proud of you. Yeah. Yep.

[Andy]

Well, yeah, I failed on that one for sure. So anyway, Danny. Zach used to be on it, but he. He left. He's like, I literally got out because of what they were saying. And also because of vaginas. And also because of vaginas. They were terrifying. It was a terrifying chat.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Jenna's like, one vagina and Zach is out. Sand is like, okay, so it's really just Jesse. Like, it's only Jesse. And you were in the boys chat right now, and Danny.

[Andy]

I used to look at it when I was with Jax. Jackson, show me everything. Jackson, show me everything. Which is hilarious because Danny got kicked out for showing people, and Jax was doing it the whole time. He showed me Jesse's messages, and he would talk about how horrible Jesse was and all this. Like, he did not like Jesse, I don't think. And, like, not at all, like, not even a little bit. Colton Sword, you know, all sorts of the dead eyes, you know, sort of shriveled up, little tiny people. You Know, he's showing all these naked girls and everything. Just a lot of dirty, dirty, nasty things in there. And Jax is like, locker room talk. Locker room talk. Works for Trump. Works for Trump.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So locker room talk. Look, look, boys will be boys. We can say all these things, just locker room talk. It's because we're not saying it publicly. We're not saying it to their faces. We're just saying it privately and perpetuating our ideas.

[Andy]

Yeah, Boys chats are disgusting. I mean, I have a boys chat with my gay friends, and it's disgusting. You know, we don't demean women in it. We demean other men. But, you know, I can only imagine what straight guys chat is like.

[Ronnie]

Oh, yeah, it's like. Well, I just. I don't know. Like, I'm sort of like. I have a Weir feeling. Like, when Britney was like, yeah, I used to watch Jax used to show me. I would see all these things. And like, I. On the one hand, I understand, you know, you're gonna protect your husband because it's your husband, but there's also an element of, like. I don't know. I kind of feel like as soon as this marriage was falling apart, she should have been like, okay, I'm not gonna protect him anymore. And this is what he's been saying, and this is what all these guys have been saying. I don't know. There was. There was something like. There was this. I got the sense that Britney was still protecting the guys. And because she was seeing all this stuff and she said nothing. We didn't have any indication until right now. She's like, oh, yeah, I saw this, and I saw that. And I saw that. I was like, you're really gonna keep protecting these guys? I mean, I'm sure there's more to the story than that, but I had a weird reaction to it.

[Andy]

I mean, I think that when you have a husband who's in a boys chat, you're just like, his voice chat. I mean, what do you. What are you gonna do? They're disgusting. I think a lot of people are just like, well, they're boys. That's just what boys do. They have a boys chat.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. I guess when we watch these shows, we expect more purity. Like, well, why didn't she stance?

[Andy]

No, I don't expect more purity from Britney. My God.

[Ronnie]

So, all right, Danny, you broke the number one rule of boys chat, which is don't speak about the boys chat. To the wrong person, I should add. Why did you tell Luke that Jesse and Michelle. But Jesse Said Michelle was sleeping with the billionaire for $1,500 a night. Dan's like, yeah, hand to God. One hand to God. Oh, by the way, God, I am so sorry. I did not remember that I put my hand on you like that. I am so sorry. It will not happen again. Okay. Hand near God, I should say. I obviously had my mic on and we were talking and like. And I just like having a conversation about Jesse and Michelle and I was just. I thought we were wrapped for the day. I didn't know. I didn't know I was still being films. Yeah.

[Andy]

He's like, I didn't know. There was a camera right behind me. That's literally why I'm whispering. No, that's not how it happened. Sorry. But the camera was not behind you. Didn't we see him full on? There were cameras surrounding you, sir. It was not like some hidden camera footage. Liar. So you did that on purpose. Because you brought it up. You brought it up to Luke on camera and then. Yeah, no, you did not think you were rat. So Danny's like lying and Janet just mumbles. She's like, we all know how cameras work. He's an actor. Well, he's a voice actor. Well, he is also an actor, I guess. Does he actually play the zombies or do the voiceover for zombies?

[Ronnie]

He was on the oc. He was. He had. He had a role on the OC once, so he knows how cameras work. He's also shot a reality show for an entire season.

[Andy]

Yeah, I just thought that was nice of Janet to say because I never thought she would give him credit. Like, he's an actor.

[Ronnie]

Oh, yeah. Elevate his career that way. Yes.

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[Andy]

And he's like, jesse, did you really believe it? And he goes, oh, the second I said it, the second I sent it, I regretted it. Even though I said it 20 more times during the season and probably said it multiple times in that chat.

[Ronnie]

You did not regret it whatsoever. You regretted it as much as Danny didn't realize there was a camera on him. So, Michelle, you told the girls that Jesse's been all your money and is broke. Tell us more. And Jesse's like, well, I mean, I seem to be living fine right now. She's like, oh, yeah? Who is paying your rent? Who's paying daddy's bills? Ah.

[Andy]

And he goes, well, I am. And you know, I've been paying my rent and I have been since you moved out. She goes, and who is lending you money to pay your rent? And he just like, looks defeated. He's like. He just rolls his eyes like, great. Thanks a lot for bringing up the gay guy again.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, well, you talked to the Zen party that you were overwhelmed financially. It's okay to admit it. He's like, well, it's double the expenses with half the income. And we sat down in the living room and talked about her moving out. And we had actually talked about the two of us finding a new place together, by the way, why is it double the expenses? It should be the same amount of expenses with half the income. So she's like, whatever happened was you said I had to leave the house and you were never going to leave because it was your house. And even though we both pay rent in the house and you said, I am not leaving, over my dead body. And you sleep downstairs and it was unbearable. So I finally found a place, I bought new furniture, I paid two rents, and that is what happened.

[Andy]

So she's paying two rents, I guess, because she's still on the lease. That sucks, probably. And that's such. That's such the man, that man thing to do on this show too. Because that's just what Jax did.

[Ronnie]

That's exactly what Jax did.

[Andy]

So shitty. And also, why don't you just break the lease and move? I mean, get the out of there. And it's been over a year anyway, right? Maybe there's a two year lease, I don't know. But they've been living there since the beginning of the show. I don't know. This is, this is all like struggling. It's also, it's struggling to keep the lifestyle that you can no longer afford. But also it's, what's I gonna say about stupid Jesse in this apartment? Never mind. There's too much rage going on in this show. It's making me tired. I'm like, oh, God, is there anything fun in this show? Oh, it's also him trying to manipulate her into just staying, right? He's like, well, you can stay downstairs or you're stuck paying your rent anyway, so let's see what you do. Thinking that she's gonna be too poor to go get a place and pay rent there. But she did anyway, so good for her.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Andy asks, he's like, Andy's like, so Michelle said that you got douchier over the course of your marriage. The more money you got, the more doucher you got. Did the money make you douchey?

[Andy]

Yeah, well, I think I was pretty douchey when I was. When I was at the caddy at the golf course making $150 a loop. So listen, I could be doocy at any income level, Andy. That's the thing about me.

[Ronnie]

Janet goes, he used to have a tongue ring. So I think he's always been a bit of a douche. But he goes, I had a tongue ring too. Don't. Just don't dive in. Let Jesse be the tongue ring douche. Brittany, you don't have to dive in.

[Andy]

I started laughing. Fucking Britney. Of course he did. So. And he's like, okay, we're back. You know, we started the season with the shock of Jackson checking him to himself into a mental health facility. Treatment, whatever. So I want to start at the beginning. What led up to that? Are you going to blame Lisa Vanderpump? Because it seems to be a very popular thing to do right now. Brittany, just days before filming started, you and Jax were separated but talking about getting back together, and then you had a fight and then text messages and blah, blah, blah. And Julian and blah, blah, blah. Julian, Julian. Let's talk about Julian. So Jax is like, Julian and I were friends. We were. We were hanging out all the time. It's basically my best friend. He was like my brother. Like, I love Julian. Like, Julie, Julie, Julie. You see Julian everywhere. It's, like, always on my arm. Like, he's my best, best friend. Like, he's my best friend.

[Ronnie]

All right, well, so how long after your separation did you start seeing Julian? Probably, like a month, something like that. It's, like, quicker than that. Not one. One quicker on that. All right, well, Jack. No, no, I didn't say Julian. So Andy's like, Jax, where were the rules that you and Brittany established about dating inside your friend side, your friend group?

[Andy]

Honestly, we didn't, like, have a rule on the friend thing. It's just, like, you automatically assume, you know? Like, I think it was, like, a little suited about. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Like, it was just. It was hurtful. It was hurtful, Annie. It was hurtful. And it went against what I said, too. You know, I had someone at the house, too. She has multiple people.

[Ronnie]

Multiple people.

[Andy]

You had one person with the boobs of 10 people. Show her picture. Show her picture. Boobs fill the screen.

[Ronnie]

Giant boobs. I'm not trying to start a war here. How. Just, you know, just. That's what. It was. Hurtful to me, and this is just what made me spiral. That's. That's all. It's, like, extremely aggressive. So now she talks about how he threw the coffee table. It landed on her knee. Her knee turned black. He threw both bar stools. He threw her Stanley cup and broke it. He threw her phone and broke it. He threw her laptop and broke it. And then she says, he threw me into the rose bushes. I didn't know about the rose bushes part. I mean, now we've been. Keep on. You know, we've been saying, obviously it's always felt. It always has been domestic. Domestic abuse, but we didn't actually know he had literally put his hands on her and done something. But now she's saying he's thrown her into a rose bush, and he doesn't even really deny it.

[Andy]

Yeah, I did not throw you into the rose bushes. And she goes, yeah, you did. You know, my close friends have seen videos from the ring.

[Ronnie]

Came from the ring.

[Andy]

Came and we knew he threw a coffee table at her and. And made her knee turn black. So it's always been that there's never been a question on this.

[Ronnie]

No, I know, but, like, it's never been. You know, it's never been a question about that. I'm just saying now it's like another element in it is that he's actually physically touched her.

[Andy]

Jesus.

[Ronnie]

Thrown her. And everyone has seen it. Everyone's, like, nodding and he. I don't know why I said. He doesn't even deny it when he literally says, I never did that. Right next. But everyone's, like, nodding like we've all seen it. And, like, it's also the balls on him that he's going to deny it when he knows it's true. Everyone knows it's true. And everyone has been protecting him because everyone, anyone could have said this at any time on the show or in the press, and they haven't. Probably out of courtesy to him, which I don't know why they had that. And yet, despite that, despite that courtesy, he still wants to deny it. No.

[Andy]

Yeah. So Brittany's like, you know, everyone's seen the videos, Jax. And so the question is, how long did she date Julian? And she's like, I didn't date him. We were just hooking up. And another thing, you know, like, whatever, maybe it was weird that I hooked up with someone that was around my friend group, but my confidence was at an all time low. I mean, this man degraded me. He put me down. He body shamed me constantly. He hit the ranch dressing, okay? Julian gave me attention, and I needed that. Jack stole my sparkle. You stole my sparkle. I literally lost my sparkle. And Jax just rolls his eyes.

[Ronnie]

It's like, God, with the sparkle.

[Andy]

Sparkle, everyone.

[Ronnie]

That's how I talk about myself. Sparkle. I mean, I had your son. And you body shaved me for stretch marks, okay? You body shaved. He's like, I never did. I never did.

[Andy]

Did. I'm sorry. I was still laughing at sparkle. Not stretch marks, but I just lost my sparkle.

[Ronnie]

He literally called me a tree trunk because I stretched marks. I didn't die. The one that you love, the one.

[Andy]

That you're supposed to love, saying, yes, you did. We've seen it in the text messages, you loser. You not only did it verbally, you did it in text. When she like, it's evidence, sir. It's like, yeah, you called me a tree trunk. And he's like, no, I didn't. And Janet's like, just apologize. He's like, okay, well, you know, I'm very sorry about this. Like, I'm sorry about all of it. Just everything. Just everything. To be honest, you know, it's like the last thing I wanted. You know, everybody seeing this. Like, everybody's seeing it. I can't control it, you guys. I have anger. I can't control it.

[Ronnie]

Well, more importantly, Brittany on Watch what happens live says, you're bad at sex. Let's look at this. This is more important. So we see that Brittany gives him, like, a low, low, low ranks. Says sometimes it was like a seven or an eight, but usually it was a two or three. So Jack's like, oh, come on. You know, when you're in a toxic relationship for so long, you know, you just don't have the interest anymore. Like, you brought the toxicity. Wasn't her. Well, yeah, she had some of it, but, like, you were pretty much the toxic, toxic waste in this situation.

[Andy]

Yeah, well, you didn't touch me for years. He did not mean make me feel good about myself. He put me down. He barely had sex with me for the past three years. I mean, why would I be like, yeah, he's great. Yeah, he's great. I just love having sex with no sportful. And, like, yeah, you know, I pushed her away. I did everything in my power to get me to leave me. She just wouldn't, you know? Like, I caused so much pain and so much drama. All the alcohol, the drugs. I was just icing on the cake, you know? I think you'll agree with me. You know, when I started to get bad, it was when I lost my job at Vanderpump. Because not only that happened, Covid happened. And then my wife's pregnant, and I'm freaking out financially. Like, what am I going to do? How am I going to handle this? You know? And. And the Brittany. And she goes, yeah, he started turning on me because I was the one making money instead of him. And instead of being happy for me, he held it over my head, and he held it against me.

[Ronnie]

Well, shouldn't you have been happy that she was bringing in the money? He's like, yeah, but, like, as a man, you just want to be able to support your family so that way you can hold over their heads when you cheat on them, you know? And Brittany's like, well, well, we weren't in competition. We were a team, okay? And I loved him so much, and I was trying to make our marriage for years, and I was trying to make it work, and then I brush it off, and I forgave him every Single time. Now. He apologized, and I promised that. He promised that you change. He promised he'd get better. He promised to bring my sparkle back. And I really believed him because I loved him so much. Like, you can never deny that. I tried everything I possibly could to make this relationship work, and you treat me worse than anyone ever else. Anyone would.

[Andy]

So didn't she say somewhere in here, like, he got jealous of her making the money, and he tried to call a lawyer on her, like, to get some of them. Like, I could have sworn she said something like that. I don't have it in my notes, but they asked. Andy, asked about an agreement about co parenting, and she has full custody, and when the divorce is final, she'll give him every Wednesday and every other weekend. And then, like, if I need to get my nails done or something like that, you know, like, he just has to pass a drug test. And Jax is like, yeah, I agree. I agree. So has Cruz been to the condo? And. Yes, he gets to see Cruz now. And it took some time, which I totally understand. Totally understand, you know, like. Like, I don't want to uproot our son. Like, Brittany knows that I don't want to uproot our son. And they all start laughing because she's like, yeah, because I had to be the one to take our autistic son and move into an Airbnb because you wouldn't move out of the house knowing that he needs stability. I mean, this guy. This is just like, we know all this, but it's just so painful to watch him sit up there and try and be the victim over and over. And everyone knows I just want stability from my baby. You kicked him out of the house.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And she's like, yeah, you made you. You know, like, you. You. You didn't pay the. You kicked us out, and then you didn't pay the mortgage for seven months because. Yeah, well, not on the mortgage. I didn't pay my car note. I didn't pay anything. He says it as if it's like, oh, so this. It makes sense in the context of these things, too. It's like, no, that's even worse. You're totally irrelevant, irresponsible. You're an irresponsible person, and you definitely do not. Should not be in a position of, like, being a guardian to this child.

[Andy]

Well, he's working in a way that's like, yeah, I didn't pay my car. I didn't pay anything. I just let it all go because I was just done. I was just done with this depression. Surely, America, you understand what I'm going through?

[Ronnie]

All right. Well, after the explosive fight with Britney, Jax made the decision to seek help at a mental health facility called Denny's. Denny's does mental health. Is that true?

[Andy]

He's like, well, you know, Miami, you know, my job was on the line. My son. You didn't give a. About your son. And I'm so sick of you bringing up your son over and over again like that's your shield, you know, you don't give a. About your son. You never have. You make kicked your son out of the house, and now you're gonna sit up here and cry. Your son every two.

[Travis]

You.

[Andy]

I want to see my son. You never tried to see your son when you got out of there. Shut the up about your son. You don't care. Do your son a favor and never go around that kid again. Let the kid pretend that you're dead, because that would be better for him. And then his whole, yeah, my job was on the line. Yeah, you went there because they threatened to fire you unless you went after you abused your wife again.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And note that he listed his job first before his son. So. So. And he's like. And so your job with the show is like, yeah, I was just in such a bad place. I. I didn't want to go. I didn't think I needed help. But thank go, because my job and my son, those are the two most important things to me, especially the job. And, you know, Carlos or whatever, my son's name is also important to me. So once you start taking those, you know, those things away, it's just like, Jesus, you. Like, you need to. You need to go to rehab, you know? And he's like, well, you actually went twice. Like, yeah, I relapsed. Although does it count as a relapse if you were never quite, like, unlapsed in the first place? Isn't it just the first time? I don't know what it is, but they made me go back another time.

[Andy]

I was trying to get the timeline of this because it's been so confusing over the season, like, what we've seen and then what's being reported. So from what I've been able to find out. And this comes from a report on Brittany talking about it on her podcast. Apparently, he went the first time when the show made him, which we saw on camera. He went to this whatever, Fluffy Duffy outpatient type thing where, like, he could leave is what I mean, which is the one we saw on the show. And then he was using. So he got sent back to. He went. He went to an actual rehab. And then he didn't like that because they were, you know, they're going to be a lot harder on you in, like, a real rehab. So he left that after two days, and then he fucked up again, and then went back to the floofy doofy one and then left after 17 days because he couldn't handle that either. So this guy's never made a real fucking effort.

[Ronnie]

No, he really hasn't. So here. So here he's saying that, like, he was. Like, Brittany is saying he was out the first week, and she says the thing with him is the first time he acted like the. The drugs and the alcohol were not a problem. And he's like, no, drugs and alcohol, I think, are not the big problem. I feel like, you know, you're just masking hurt. Like, whatever you're going through, fighting all the stuff I was doing to Britney, and I was angry and I would use drugs and alcohol to take away just for a couple hours, because I'm the one who's the real victim here. I'm like, well, maybe it's all of the above. Maybe it's the drugs and the alcohol and the emotional. But he now says he's been sober for 156 days, except for weed. And Andy's like, do you believe that he's sober? And, you know, she's like, well, he does a drug test and he passes. And, you know, we, we. You know, I've given him. I give them to him sporadically. And he's like, twice. You've only gave me drug tests twice. Shouldn't you be happy about that?

[Andy]

I know he's, like, trying to hold her. Well, that's his. Also his big thing that he's hinted at a few times. Like, well, you know, I only got like this because Brittany let me. Like, I don't know why she put up with it this long. You know, like, I didn't realize how out of control I was. And Brittany just let it happen. And she's like, yeah, I got a hundred pack of drug tests, so, you know, I can test him. He's like, yeah, he did it twice. She goes, well, I get a call every Monday from a guy and, you know, it's like, Tom Schwartz, like, hi, I'm just. I'm just calling to say I've got to test back from Jackson, and, oh, he's just a boy. He's a hundred percent just a boy.

[Ronnie]

So boys will be boys.

[Andy]

So Jax is like, oh, yeah, yeah. I make sure they call Brittany to let him know I'm passing, you know. You know, it's very important to me that they call Brittany. And she goes, yeah, but who's the person that made it happen? He goes, okay, well, Noah made it happen, but it was just the right thing to do. It was just the right thing to do. I made it happen. Oh, by the way, are you on steroids? And he's like, no, I'm not a steroid. Just goes, yeah, yeah. Really? Because your attitude and your personality and this is a thing that Stassi had problems with, too, right? Like, he was losing all. He was having rage fits and all of this, too. And she went and got rid of all his protein shakes and all this other. Yeah, it's also roiding out. So she's saying his personality is so crazy. And she's like, okay, so if it's not drugs and it's not steroids and it's not alcohol and it's not this or it's not, then why are you still just as crazy as before?

[Ronnie]

Are you saying his anger has not improved? What? So you worked on your anger? He's like, no, I'm. I'm trying to work on my anger, and I. I'm still very trying to work on that. I'm very trying. And he's like, but it sounds like she's saying it hasn't changed. He's like. He's like, I think it's gotten a lot better. I mean, do you agree it's gotten a lot better? She's like, some days, okay. But she basically like, no, it has not gotten better. So he's like. Andy's like, well, I would assume that you would agree that if you were on steroids, it would be detrimental to your anger issues. Have you thought about this? Dumb. Dumb. And he's like, look, I'm not on anything except steroids and everything I was doing before. Keep testing me. I want you to test me. Hold me accountable in my head if I ever trust up again. I know you're not gonna. You're gonna test me. I want you to test me. He's, like, getting. He's doing the exact same thing that you said, where he's still kind of, like, putting it on someone else to keep him on the street and narrow instead of himself.

[Andy]

He's like, yeah, please keep me straight, please, because I don't want to touch drugs and alcohol again because, like, it's fucked up my. Well, we know that's a lie. Because you just said two seconds ago that it's not drugs and alcohol. It's anger. So we know that this is a prepared bullshit speech that the owner of Rocco's gave you to read. So please, with this.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Andy]

And he's like, it's just so hard, you know? Like, I know I'm not the victim. She's the victim. She's the victim, you know? Not me. But I'm just human. I'm human, you know? And some people think I'm the devil, and I get it. But I have feelings, too. Like, it's the hardest fucking thing to do in front of God and everyone. The audience, please. You've taken nothing but joy and being an abusive piece of shit for years now. I do not believe you. I do not believe you. I don't even care if you're sober. I don't care if you get your shit together. To me, it's too little, too late. Goodbye. Stay off of my tv. Stay away from me, and stay away from anybody who is a decent person. You are a piece of shit. You are irredemptive. I don't care if you get clean. I don't care. It doesn't even matter. You're a terrible person.

[Ronnie]

Well, you knew. You were filming whenever you did these things. Like. Yeah, I knew, but that. But that's. But I'm not. I'm not thinking about that timing, okay? That's why our show is the real shit, because I put everything out there. So basically, bravo. You should hire me back. Despite all this. I make great television. I'm sincere. Okay, thanks so much.

[Andy]

I put everything out there. You've done nothing but lie since you've come on this show. You've never been honest. Even right now, in two minutes, you got caught with lies. What do you. It's not drugs and alcohol. It's drugs and alcohol. Ruined my life. I want nothing but for my son to have stability. You kick them out of your house. Like there's too much to even list with you. Just shut up.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Wow. Well, that was the first episode. We got two more to come. There's gonna be a lot of stuff to cover on this reason.

[Andy]

Oh, and by the way, congratulations to Danny, who brought out on the season finale that Jax was his employees over at Jax's Bar and Grill. And then Jax got fired the same week.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Andy]

Nailed it.

[Ronnie]

So good. All right, everyone, thanks for being here and we'll catch you on the next episode. Bye, everyone.

[Andy]

Bye.

[Ronnie]

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