#2961 RHOM S7E9 Part 2: Preppy Le Pieu

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Episode #2961: RHOM S7E9 Part 2: Preppy Le Pieu

Release Date: August 7, 2025

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Podcast: Wondery's Watch What Crappens
Episode Focus: Recap and analysis of Real Housewives of Miami Season 7, Episode 9 Part 2 – "Preppy Le Pieu"

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Introduction to the Recap

In Episode #2961 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the intricate dynamics of Real Housewives of Miami Season 7, Episode 9 Part 2, titled "Preppy Le Pieu." This episode centers around a high-stakes preppy-themed party hosted by Marisol Patton, setting the stage for escalating tensions and drama among the housewives.

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Setting the Scene: Marisol’s Preppy Party

The episode kicks off with Marisol Patton orchestrating a sophisticated preppy party at her home, aiming to showcase her refined style and reconnect with old friends.

Marisol Patton [02:58]: “I put Larsa next to her good friend and I put Lisa next to you because she’s Canadian.”

The meticulous arrangement reflects Marisol's desire to foster connections, though underlying tensions begin to surface as guests arrive.

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Character Dynamics and Tensions

As friends gather, the strain within the group becomes apparent. Marisol extends an invitation to Adriana De Moura, hoping her presence will mend past frictions. However, Marisol harbors apprehensions about Adriana's behavior, fearing she might arrive intoxicated.

Marisol Patton [02:58]: “She’s just hoping that Ketamine Adriana shows up, not drunk yacht Adriana.”

Adriana's arrival is marked by playful chaos as her dogs cause a ruckus, leading to humorous yet telling interactions among the housewives.

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The Gift Exchange: Gertie’s Cocktail Bar

A pivotal moment unfolds when Gertie Martinez presents Adriana with an extravagant cocktail bar as a wedding gift. The gift, while intended to be generous, is met with mixed reactions, highlighting superficial judgments among the group.

Marisol Patton [05:39]: “Gertie’s a fashion catastrophe. Except your bar. Jesus Christ.”

This exchange serves as a catalyst for deeper conversations about authenticity and generosity within the friendships.

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Exploring Preppy Styles and Backgrounds

The hosts delve into the preppy aesthetics showcased during the party, emphasizing the characters' backgrounds and how they influence their current personas.

Marisol Patton [04:11]: “My dad was from Connecticut. I went to boarding school in Palm Beach. So, like, she has preppiness in her DNA. Allegedly.”

Alexia Echevarria adds her perspective on maintaining a preppy image, revealing her struggle to embody the quintessential preppy star while navigating personal style.

Alexia Echevarria [04:25]: “Look, I’m the preppy star. Preppiness. Like, I look like the biggest preppy.”

Their discussions highlight the tension between authentic self-expression and the pressures of maintaining a certain image within the show's social circles.

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Friendship Dynamics: Codependency and Conflict

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the intricate friendship between Marisol and Alexia, characterized by codependency and mutual reliance. This dynamic is contrasted with Stephanie Rossi's attempts to assert herself within the group, leading to friction.

Marisol Patton [07:17]: “I have no idea if she’s sincere or not. I don’t know what’s up her little wizard sleeves.”

Stephanie's confrontational approach, particularly her derogatory remarks towards Alexia, exacerbates existing tensions and threatens the cohesion of the group.

Alexia Echevarria [07:00]: “We are not a cult. Okay?”

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The Private Jet Drama: Competition for Spain Trip

Stephanie escalates the drama by offering exclusive spots on a private jet to Marbella, igniting a competitive scramble among the housewives to secure her seats. This move not only highlights Stephanie's assertiveness but also underscores the competitive nature of their relationships.

Stephanie [30:26]: “I’m taking my airplane. And unfortunately, I can’t choose everybody.”

Marisol and Alexia navigate this challenge by prioritizing their friendship, though the undercurrents of rivalry continue to simmer.

Marisol Patton [42:03]: “It’s like any of the people that I actually wanted to take. So fighting for last place is.”

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Analyzing the Friendship: Healthy or Toxic?

The hosts critically examine the friendship between Marisol and Alexia, questioning its foundation and sustainability. They argue that while their bond appears strong, it may be rooted in unhealthy codependency rather than genuine support.

Alexia Echevarria [43:42]: “No one looks at Alexia and Marisol and thinks, this is a healthy friendship. I just see two codependent people.”

This analysis invites listeners to ponder the authenticity of relationships portrayed in reality television and their impact on personal dynamics.

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Anticipation for Ongoing Season Drama

As the episode nears its conclusion, Ben and Ronnie express excitement for the unfolding drama in the season, particularly the deteriorating relationship between Adriana and Julia Martinez. They hint at more intense conflicts and alliances forming, keeping listeners eager for future recaps.

Ben Mandelker: “We know that there’s still a huge amount of drama left in the season, so can’t wait.”

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Marisol Patton [02:58]: “I put Larsa next to her good friend and I put Lisa next to you because she’s Canadian.”
• Alexia Echevarria [07:00]: “We are not a cult. Okay?”
• Marisol Patton [04:11]: “My dad was from Connecticut. I went to boarding school in Palm Beach. So, like, she has preppiness in her DNA. Allegedly.”
• Alexia Echevarria [43:42]: “No one looks at Alexia and Marisol and thinks, this is a healthy friendship. I just see two codependent people.”

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Conclusion

In this episode of Watch What Crappens, Ben and Ronnie provide an insightful and engaging analysis of the complex relationships and dramatic events in Real Housewives of Miami Season 7, Episode 9 Part 2. Their detailed recap, enriched with notable quotes and critical commentary, offers both fans and new listeners a comprehensive understanding of the episode's key moments and underlying tensions.

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Transcript

[Marisol Patton]

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[Alexia Echevarria]

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[Marisol Patton]

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[Alexia Echevarria]

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[Marisol Patton]

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[Alexia Echevarria]

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[Marisol Patton]

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[Adriana De Moura]

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[Alexia Echevarria]

Watch what happens. Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap. So now we go to Marisol's home. It's time for a preppy party. Prep. Seeing this word playing and she's setting everything up. It looks all nice and she's like, larsa. I put her, hey, hey. Hey, friend. Hey, friend who's helping me set this up. I put Larsa next to her good friend and I Put Lisa next to you because she Canadian. And then, like, you guys can chit chat. And I put this girl here and that girl here and all there. And Jennifer's. Jennifer's her friend, and they're just. They're just setting up stuff. And Maricel tells us that she invited Adriana today because Julia really wants Adriana to come to Spain. And since Marisol has decided that she loves Julia this season, she's gonna go along with it because she has to, because she's only a friend of. And she's just hoping that Ketamine Adriana shows up, not drunk yacht Adriana.

[Marisol Patton]

Yeah. So then we go to Alexia coming. And the dogs are barking like crazy and jumping all over her and stuff. And she goes into the kitchen and whips open the curtain to present herself. But then it falls off because it's on a pressure rod. She's like, oh, mi Cortana, why you do that to me? Come on here, lady. I'm trying to hide the butler's pantry. All right.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Yeah. Marisol has put up this little curtain that she got, like. Like. Like a $2 curtain because she's. It's the catering area, so she wants to mask the. The. The catering. So that way it looks fancier in there, which I just think is so funny because she basically lives in a cottage. A very nice cottage, but a cottage nonetheless. Yeah. So they're just continue to set up and everything. And Marisol is going to, like, make her a cocktail and everything. And Alexia's like, can we talk about our outfits? I can be preppy, too. Look, look, look. I'm like, very preppy. They call me the preppy star star. Preppiness. Like, I look like the biggest preppy. And Marisol tells us that, like, her dad was actually from Connecticut, and which I. I feel like we knew that, but I never really retained it. And that she went to boarding school in Palm Beach. So, like, she has preppiness in her DNA. Allegedly.

[Marisol Patton]

Yeah. I was like, he was a very WASPy. He was a sailor, you know, so I'm going to celebrate the white side of me today. And I was like, why? What a difference four years makes, you know? So Alexia is like, yeah, you know, I feel like prepping in Miami is not a thing. And it's like, well, I had Kiki here, and she said something weird to me. You know what she said? Let's see it in a flashback. So we see Kiki. She's like, I had a conversation with Gertie. She said, you guys feel like a cult you know, I don't like that. I don't like it. What do you mean, a cult? She goes, I don't know. What is a cult?

[Alexia Echevarria]

You know, that denotes that we're sinister. Could you believe it? You know what? You know, I don't like that. I don't like that. I find that offensive. Shaking. Shaking it very fast. No, no, no. Don't like it.

[Marisol Patton]

I don't like it. Sinister. I don't like that. She called it sinister. She called it sinister. Really? That's the kind of dog, right? I don't like that. I don't like that.

[Alexia Echevarria]

So Gertie arrives and she's. This is with a guy who has a large appliance box. And Marisol is like, why did you bring. Oh, I brought you your wed gift. Okay. It's a bar. It's an actual entire giant bar. And you can make drinks with it because I know that you don't actually have one here. You just rent it out for the show. Oh, my God. I saw that on Instagram and I wanted it. Thank you. What is it? It's called a cocktail shaker. Oh, it's $15. Oh, it just has a very big box.

[Marisol Patton]

Mary Sounds like, wow. Gurney's a fashion catastrophe. Except your bar. Jesus Christ.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Do you think this is a woman?

[Marisol Patton]

God. And she's like. But she did bring me a cocktail maker machine. I heard that Lisa gave it to Gertie, and Gertie re. Gifted it to me.

[Alexia Echevarria]

That's my dream. Hello, me too. Gifted to me. I will take it all.

[Marisol Patton]

That's a gift. You could have, like, resold that shit, you know? And she didn't. She gave it to you, so be grateful. So I heard that at lunch with Julia, we decided. I had lunch with Julia. We decided to make a trip for you, Alexia, and go to your favorite place, Spain. And Gertie's like, oh, I. I studied in Spain. I'm obsessed with Spain. You know, I love Spain. Well, I'm here to tell you you might not be invited. So hold on. There's got to be some tension in the room. Alexia, nod and blinks. Okay, she's already nodding and blinking. Great. Do you feel tense? I'm like, yes. I'm going to talk just like this. I don't want to be too loud. I don't want to be too annoying to you. I'm going to talk like this right now. Just shake my head.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Now, before we proceed on with the rest of the scene, Alexi and I are just gonna put on some sneakers and Some sweatpants, and we're just gonna get ready for a comet that's gonna take us to our planet. Now, you guys, you said that we're acting like a cult. Is that true?

[Marisol Patton]

Mm. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. So I was very hurt, okay? Because I felt like I'm trying to talk to everyone and everyone has the same voice and no one wants to listen to me. And everyone has Julius back, and it's like a cult. It's like a cult. I said the word cult because it's like a cult. That's what it's like.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Oh. So suddenly you put on some Nikes and planning to hop a ride on us on a comet and you're in a cult? I don't know. When did this happen?

[Marisol Patton]

Well, I find it very offensive. And we have to be careful of the things we call each other and the things you say because they stay here. And I don't like it because, you know, first of all, we're not a cult, okay? You were not a cult, stupid Alexia. She doesn't mean you're literally a cult. We're not a cult.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I know. First of all, okay? Keith Rainier, we enjoy. He's just a friend. But we're not a cult. Okay?

[Marisol Patton]

I just want to say any tattoos you get on your hoo ha is up to you. It's not up to us. We suggest it. We suggest it. That's all.

[Alexia Echevarria]

It brings us closer, but it is. It is. It is voluntary. It's not. Now, that being said, we are going to go on a cast trip to our compound in rural Oregon. And there will be, if you would like to join in the group, sex. That's totally optional.

[Marisol Patton]

Please only wear white and no shoes. No shoes at all. Okay? Give us 90% of your income, okay? And so she's like, do you even want to be part of this friend group? That's what I want to know. And Gertie's like, you guys have to understand, I'm coming from a place of, like, trying to find myself. Do you understand? Like, I'm just trying to be like, vibe, you know? Because my. Literally, you know what my motto is? Kiss. Keep it simple. Stupid. Okay? I don't have time for this shit. I don't have time for this shit. Do you understand?

[Alexia Echevarria]

I also have another motto. It's called, oh, I wish I were an Oscar Mayer Wiener. Dr. Jackie just taught me that one.

[Marisol Patton]

You know what? You know what my motto is? Sugar, cream, eggs, milk. That's it. That's it. I'm not the back of a Briars box.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Okay, listen, listen. There was a time when we were all. Were getting. Getting along so well, and I just. I want my. You were all like my beautiful babies, and I just want my baby back.

[Marisol Patton]

Baby back, baby back, baby back, baby.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Back, baby back, baby back.

[Marisol Patton]

Well, okay, just don't involve us in the semantics because it's just so complicated. I mean, there's a lot of text messages. We don't need to read that. Nobody here can read that. You know, you put up all this stuff we have to read and put us in this awkward position of having to read it, so we don't read it. Then we get mad. Then there was nothing to be mad about. How should I know? What am I supposed to read? I mean.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Libres, okay, I'm not living in gerdy land. I don't know what she's talking about, but maybe Julia is going to accept this tiny bit of remorse and end up making out with her. I mean, it is part of the blood pact we had to take in order for her to hang out with us that you have to make out with someone outside the group. But, you know, we're not a cult.

[Marisol Patton]

So everybody comes. Adriana's wearing a Harvard T shirt because that's where I go to school. And Stephanie's showing off a purse in the shape of a wiener dog worth $2,600.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Wow. Wow.

[Marisol Patton]

So rich.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Wow. A purse that's worth $2,600. That's cheaper than the last purse you showed.

[Marisol Patton]

Wow.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Getting poorer over the course of an episode. Wow.

[Marisol Patton]

I wish Adriana's dog was here to hump that purse.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I do, too. So Stephanie's like, oh, his name is Hector, and that's the least amount of boobs I've seen, okay? And Lars goes, first of all, first of all, I'm not preppy. I like to dress slutty. I don't like to dress preppy because, by the way, none of them know how to dress preppy. I think the only one who really knows how to dress preppy is Julia, because she comes in wearing, like, a Wimbledon sweater and pants, which is what like. Like a waspy lady in the Hamptons might wear. But everyone else is just wearing kind of like, just still their same kind.

[Marisol Patton]

Of out in his outfits, you know.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Like the tennis sweater.

[Marisol Patton]

A couple of them. Yeah, I liked Alexia's because she's like, preppy means smart. So I'm wearing glasses.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Yes, I can do preppy. I'm a star. Star preppy.

[Marisol Patton]

So they come in, they eat some food, they look around. She's like, do you like it? I put my heart into it. I made all the food here. All of that. That's pretty good for someone who doesn't eat. Am I right?

[Alexia Echevarria]

Yeah. Seriously. So, yeah, just more people are arriving and everything, and they're saying hi, and they're all, like, sort of, like, laughing at each other's outfits. And then Marisol's like, so. You know, Adriana, I feel like the liquor brings out the truth. I mean, the stuff comes out. You know, you can apologize, you know, because Adriana's like, I want to apologize because I was drunk. She's like, man, brought out the truth because, okay, well, I feel the same way. And when you say mean things to me, like, go fuck yourself, then, you know, I feel like, why do you hate me so much?

[Marisol Patton]

I was like, well, you know, I'm just trying to ignore you. I'm trying not to talk to you. And then I'm getting it. And I'm getting it. I'm getting it. I'm getting. Just lay off me, all right? We've got bigger problems this season. We don't have to work so hard, all right? We've got Julian, Gertie, we've got Stephanie, Alexi, we've got Lisa. And Lara said, can we just sit in a green room for a while until we get a regular paycheck? You know, you're working too hard for this.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Adriana's like, you know, I'm just tired of all this bickering. It's like, it's not constructive, so I might as well get along. And Marisol's like, well, I have no idea if she's sincere or not. I don't know what's up her little wizard sleeves. I'm just hoping tomorrow is good and the next day is good. And I'm just doing one day at a time with this girl.

[Marisol Patton]

So they do a cheers because they made peace and everybody applauds. And Lisa comes.

[Alexia Echevarria]

She's dressed crazy. She's.

[Marisol Patton]

She's dressed in big platform heel boots.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Oh, my God.

[Marisol Patton]

And black. She's all in black. Oh, I went with Wednesday meets Clueless. By the way, did you know Wednesday is back on tv? I'm so excited. It's like my favorite show.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Did it come back?

[Marisol Patton]

Episode one yesterday. And I laughed and laughed. Wednesday is my hero. I love it.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Wow. Wow. I'm so happy. Happy for you. Well, I am happy for you.

[Marisol Patton]

Thank you. Okay, so Wednesday, they cheers. Lisa looks cray. Cray. And then I was looking for a yeah. Clueless and Wednesday. I was actually looking for a long time for a preppy look, and this is what I came up with. What do you want to do?

[Alexia Echevarria]

Just walk into a Ralph Lauren, just get a big blue oxford with, like, a white collar, oversized. Cinch it.

[Marisol Patton]

I don't know.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Like, it's really easy dress, like, on a garten. I mean, I know it might not be the most flattering look, but it will definitely be, you know, preppy.

[Marisol Patton]

Well, that's the easiest theme. She only wears one thing.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Yeah. And there she gets those custom shirts, those custom oxfords that she just wears.

[Marisol Patton]

Yeah.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I'm jealous of people who, like, just establish a uniform for themselves, like Aina and Michael Kors, and then that's just all they have to wear the rest of their life. Easy.

[Marisol Patton]

Yeah. So she's like, all right, ladies, I'm glad you're here. Everyone loves a good theme, Am I right? So here's what. I started digging into my roots. Not my actual ones. Those could use some attention, let's not lie. But I feel like everyone knows me. My mother, father's daughter, blah, blah, blah. Cuban. But my dad was from Connecticut. There's a very American preppy side to me. And I went to Boston College. I went to boarding school in Palm Beach. So there you go.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I just would never peg Marisol Patton as a Boston College grad. It's just, like, the most random thing, I think. I don't know what I think of with a Boston College grad. I mean, it's. It's a really good school. I just don't think of Marisol just even being associated with, like, Boston in any sort of form. So it's just kind of hilarious. Is to me. So she's like, why I love my prep school because I was just getting hormones and, like, gazungas, and I was hot for boys, and, God, I had posters up of, you know, Jimmy Stewart and, oh, God, what a hottie he was. And I just trapped with all these nuns and girls in this boarding school. By 11th grade, I was at, I was, like, going to a co ed prep school. I was like, hello. Yeah. My grades dropped, and I was having the time of my life listening to the doo wop songs and doing it to doo wop. That's what I like to say.

[Marisol Patton]

There's nothing like making out with someone in the back of a Corvette while the beach boy plays.

[Alexia Echevarria]

God, the amount of necking I did back in those days.

[Marisol Patton]

Third base. We would literally go on third base and kiss each other on the cheek, it was just.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Oh, God. Every time I see Adriana's poodle humping some leg, I just think of all the poodle dresses I went through in those days.

[Marisol Patton]

So Adriana is like, can I give a clinical aspect? And so they're scared. And Marisol goes, oh, a Harvard clinical aspect. Only on Real Housewives of Miami are they going to shame somebody for going to Harvard, by the way. Which is so fucking funny. I love that that's going to become a storyline that they're going to be shaming Adrianna for furthering her education. Fucking crazy people. So she's like, well, when we are conceived, you cross. You have crosses. And then if you are a girl, you get your chromosomes from your dad. So similarities you have to him are greater than you think. Look at that. That's why you weren't interesting until your mother was gone and you could copy her personality.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I'm kind of low key, obsessed with adriana, like reciting 9th grade biology information, but under the guise of like a Harvard education, she's like, I went to Harvard to study. And what I'm telling you right now is that we have cells and they have DNA and also cells replicate. So there you got it. You learned from Harvard. Now you're basically Harvard educated now.

[Marisol Patton]

One reason I really like Adrianna is because she's so smart. I mean, she is very, very, very smart. Like, she's way educated and she knows a million languages, she plays instruments. I mean, she's so smart. Smart. And she still just gets down in the mud and I just love.

[Alexia Echevarria]

She's still a disaster. Yeah, she's probably like, it's. I sort of get the sense that behind Wendy, she's like the most educated person on Bravo and. But she's a total disaster. It's great. So she does this whole. She basically is just telling everyone this stuff about chromosomes, mainly to remind everyone that she's doing a master's of psychology at Harvard. Which of course, like you mentioned, they're like, whatever, it's night school. I'm like, yeah, but it's still Harvard. Harvard's not. It's no walk in the park. Okay? So they're. They're just like dissing her about that. And I love the Larsa. Larsa of all people weighing in. Babe, you signed up for an online course. I'm like, larsa, you are an online course. You charge people to look at your toes. Do you know how many anthropologists are studying your toes right now?

[Marisol Patton]

So she's like, yeah, you just signed up like Online. Like, like, everyone, like, can do that. Like, all you have to, like, do is, like, pay for, like, it. Okay, then do it. If it's that easy, I would love to see Larsa try and get a education now. There's a season right there. Lars are trying to learn something. Do it.

[Alexia Echevarria]

It's so easy. It'll take several seasons for that to happen. Wait, how does the can opener work?

[Marisol Patton]

Like, so can opening. What's even, like, in this? It says it on the label. What?

[Alexia Echevarria]

Larsa, I'm afraid that you're. You're not quite ready to move on to the mechanical can opener yet, so we're gonna have to hold you back.

[Marisol Patton]

But it looks like it's got, like, the picture on it is, like, beans. Like, I don't want that. I'm not gonna open it like you. I'm sorry you failed this Harvard night course. Damn it.

[Alexia Echevarria]

So Julia saying how she has the Martinez Wimbledon sweater, which is actually kind of a great flex. And Kiki is like, oh, isn't that the same tennis shoes you wore to Gertie's event? Which is. Feels like she's trying to prod something on there. And Alexia's like, well, you know, it wasn't easy for all of us, but it was easy for you and Stephanie to wear something preppy because you guys are basically preppy and stupid, you know? Yeah. No, yeah, that's it. I was just like, yeah, can't open it.

[Marisol Patton]

Yeah, I was like, yeah, beans are hard. But, like, Lisa and I don't, like, dress like this. Like, we don't, like, do that. You guys are nerds. You guys are, like, dumb nerds. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Sometimes work is so intense. There's so much for us to do. There's so much for us to recap that I actually get very stressed out. And thankfully, I have therapy to turn to, and I think it's really, really important. I call it a mind massage. I love therapy. It helps me out so much.

[Marisol Patton]

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[Alexia Echevarria]

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[Marisol Patton]

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[Alexia Echevarria]

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[Marisol Patton]

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[Alexia Echevarria]

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[Marisol Patton]

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[Alexia Echevarria]

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[Marisol Patton]

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[Marisol Patton]

So then Stephanie's like, I want. I want you and I to have a talk. Alexia. She goes, oh, okay, that's great. Ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff. Is that good? Ruff, ruff. Like a dog. That's how you want it? We'll do it later. So they're all judging each other's preppy outfits and stuff. And it's cute, but I don't need to talk about it. All it goes for. So then they're congratulating Marisol on such a good party, and then they start talking and now they start separating into little groups because Gertie's like, julia, do you want to talk? Where do you want to go? You lead the way. I don't want to seem too bossy. Okay. I don't want to be bossy. She's. Oh, okay, we will go here. We will go here. Sit down. Sit down here. Look at me. Look at me in the eye. Okay, let's do this. This talk right now.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I still am not reconciling where we were so far apart because I thought we were understanding. Like, let's move forward. Because when I went to the Grecian party, I just felt so betrayed. I am sorry because that was absolutely not my intention. It seems like it's not, but, you know, and. And everyone's like, watching because they're, like, three feet away. What's happening? Like, are they figuring out, like, can opening yet? Like, and she's. And Julia's saying, like, you know, about, like, how the guy was a life coach. So she wants to ask this very qualified life coach his opinion on how to move forward with Gertie. But we see the flashback again, and she was calling out Gertie. This was not asking an opinion. She was calling out Gertie once again, yes.

[Marisol Patton]

So then Gertie's like, well, I don't understand how to express this hurt. And I expressed maybe in the wrong way. Okay, maybe it's the wrong way. Text messages, projectors. I don't know. Maybe it was wrong, but I don't want to be that person. But I feel cornered, and no one believes me, and everyone thinks I'm a piece of shit. And I don't know what happened. And I don't know how fast it all got so furious. You know, it was like, one minute you're you're girly, the next minute you're Vin Diesel being shoved down.

[Alexia Echevarria]

She did say, I don't know how it got.

[Marisol Patton]

I don't know.

[Alexia Echevarria]

It got. I don't know how fast it all got so furious. I would say it was almost too fast and too furious.

[Marisol Patton]

That is true, though, you know, and I think that's a lot of what people are missing from this season. I mean, you have to remember that last season, Gertie was loved. They were all surrounding Gertie. They were all supporting her. She was very much loved. Everything was fine, really, with everybody by the end. And then this season, they come in and they're. Alexia Marcel. Are automatically like, I don't like her. She's too loud. She's too this, she's too that. She's just too much, and I don't want to be around it. And Julia's telling them all this shit. And then Julia's trying to be like, oh, she ruined my boat trip and all of this other stuff. And it's. It's got to be kind of a weird feeling when you think you're friends with everybody and then you just walk in and they all hate you.

[Alexia Echevarria]

All of a sudden, when you realize, like, your cancer sympathy window has expired, and they're back to, like, cutting you down like everyone else, and you're like, but I thought I was immune from that. So Julia's basically like, no, we know now. We know that we are not at our best when we say things out of her, but at Least we are smiling now. It's like, yes, I was. I'm just happy that we could repair this friendship and not replace it. Or as I like to say from a recent phrase that I learned, safelight repair, Repair. Safelight replacement.

[Marisol Patton]

So they get over and say, I love you. But Julie has this way, like, she cannot hide, you know, she's like giving kind of like a dirt. She has like a way of narrowing her eyes and just like looking down. So I don't trust her. But we'll see. So then everyone's like, oh, wow. Good stuff. This is amazing. As we would say in Boston, congratulations. Crappy side of me.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Actually, what we'd really say is, congratulations, you wicked. I think I did that wrong. Congratulations. No, here. As we say in Boston, congratulations. Yankees suck. There we go.

[Marisol Patton]

Well, we are going to Spain and you girls will have fun, fresh starts, have fabulous friends. And Marbella is three hours drive. This is the problem. So we do. We go, then we drive for three hours. And they're like, wow, yay. And Stephanie goes, wow, yay. For a three hour drive. And she's like, I'm gonna bring the jet. So then we move on. Is this where. Yes, then we move on to the drama.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Jet drama. By the way, my fingers are crossed that Julia's fabulous friends in Marbella are the same as Sutton's. Was it Sutton's friends who were in Spain? Like she. Was it Sutton who had all, like the fabulous friends who had all the.

[Marisol Patton]

Yeah, I doubt those are Julia's friends. Oh, my gosh.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Those, like, they were like, like award winning architects. And was it Sutton's friends?

[Marisol Patton]

Yeah, I think.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Well, definitely was not Kyle, because remember, Kyle was like, oh, my God. Real, like real adults.

[Marisol Patton]

It wasn't Erica, the guy who brought her quince in the pincer Mercen, the.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Purse or whatever I think it was. Yeah, it was all these like intelligentsia from like Barcelona. And like, if they wind up being in Marbella again, this is. They're just like traveling group of intellectuals who also have, like strange ties to Real Housewives. I would really be.

[Marisol Patton]

They're brilliant people with a housewives fetish.

[Alexia Echevarria]

It's like a weird Vicky Christina Barcelona situation. It's like Javier, Javier Bardem. Okay, so, yes, we now go into Marbella Jet Jet sweepstakes. So basically, Stephanie is going to fly everyone from Sevilla to Marbella, because she can do that. But doing flying from Miami to Spain is too big, too long, too fast, too furious. So they can't have too many people on there. It's probably Like a weight issue or something with the amount of gas. So they're gonna have blah, blah, blah. Only three spots available on the jet to come with Stephanie.

[Marisol Patton]

I would love to invite everybody. Not really. I don't want to invite everybody. It's not a freaking bus.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I didn't like that it's not a bus, which is what she'll be driving soon enough, by the way.

[Marisol Patton]

So she is like, and if you are on my plane and you want to make the shit hit the fan, then please book your own bus because you will not fly back. God, this girl's so annoying. I love that she's just going to use this plane as like her. I have the plane, so you all have to be nice to me. It's like a little rich kid in school who's like, I have a Mercedes. You're fucking. Mom and dad bought you that you haven't done to earn that. Get over yourself.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Yeah, yeah. It's like when I would bring Jolly Ranchers on the school bus. Just that way people would like me. People. You know, you hand them out. Like people just put their hands over the seat. They just put their palms out. Can I have one? Can I have one? Can I have one? I'd be like, here's one for you. Here's one for you.

[Marisol Patton]

Not for you. You don't get one. Hit the fan with you. You do not get one.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I gave an extra one to Alexia. So. So, yeah, so it's this whole situation. And so Stephanie's like, alexia, can I talk to you for a second? Woof, woof. Oh, you didn't like that? So they. They now are going to have their conversation. And she goes, I wanted to talk to you because I know we are going to Spain and I want everything to be cordial between us, but I really want to talk in private about this Chihuahua and this rottweiler thing. And Alexis shaking head very rapidly to show that she is totally displeased by this. What you did say. You did say that I. That I bark. Okay, you did say that. A bark. And that's not nice. Woof, woof, woof, woof. You know?

[Marisol Patton]

But didn't she say so? We've always been cool. I don't like you said that I bark. Because I don't. She goes, but you do bark. It's like, well, so do you. And you're like a chihuahua. Well, you barked at me first. But I'm like a rottweiler. I'm not a chihuahua. Oh, I thought that. Nevermind. I didn't Remember it happening like that. But you know what? I remember things wrong. So she's like, yeah, you said I bark. And she's like, but that's what she sounds like when she speaks. She's barking. And as a matter of fact, Alexia is next here, next to me. And then she pulls up a big stuffed Rottweiler as her prop. Oh, try hard. Get rid of her. I hope she's a one.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I don't like. I don't like the props. But also, like, if you're just trying to be like. Well, she said that. She was like. She was saying she's a Rottweiler. So it's calling the Rottweiler, but then you hold up a stuffed dog, so you really are calling her a dog. And she's trying to sort of get. Get around it with semantics. But I'm telling you, last week when we saw her, she said, where's the Rottweiler? I don't think she was doing a callback to the joke. I think she was calling Alexia a Rottweiler and didn't realize that Alexia was right there and then had to act like, no, doing a callback. So. But Alexia's like.

[Marisol Patton]

Like, even if she doesn't. Even if she didn't say, like, I'm doing a callback, it literally was a callback to Alexia saying, I'm a Rottweiler. So I don't know. I just. I wasn't that offended by it. But, you know, it's like, I'm against Stephanie and also standing up for Stephanie at the same time, which is a very hard place to be.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I was like, wait a second. I thought I had you on this one.

[Marisol Patton]

But I think she was. I don't. I think she was kind of. I think in this Rottweiler thing, she's kind of innocent. The thing is, she's. She's too comfortable around people she's not friends with yet. And this has been her problem the whole time.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Yeah.

[Marisol Patton]

Comes up to Alexi in the beginning, and she's like, oh, you know, here's what I say. When you take out the garbage. Leave it. Don't go chasing garbage. You don't call someone. You don't call someone's boyfriend garbage, even if they're temporarily broken up. You don't know enough about her to know her whole history of coming back to this guy and getting rid of this guy. And you may not be wrong. It's not that you're wrong, necessarily, but it's not your place. Like, I don't even know you. You know, she's too comfortable doing that with people. I think that's what.

[Alexia Echevarria]

She's over familiar. Yeah, she's over familiar. I think it's a great point. I do think that when she said the Rottweiler thing last week, I do think she was being nastier than she was then. She's letting on. And I think the evidence is the fact that she has this stuffed Rottweiler. Whether the producers gave it to her or whether she got it, she still is very happy to equate Alexia to a dog. And, you know, Alexia sort of gave her the. Sort of gave her the ascent by calling herself a Rottweiler, deprecatingly, but she's definitely running with it. But that being said, Stephanie is incredibly obnoxious. She is definitely a faker. She's over familiar. I do not want her to be a one season. I think she fits in very well in this group of crazy ladies. So I'm happy to have her here. I'm not saying that I think she's a good person or that she's like. That she's like someone that would want to kiki with, but I do think that she is doing a very good job as a housewife.

[Marisol Patton]

Okay.

[Alexia Echevarria]

And did you see that she is first seat at the reunion?

[Marisol Patton]

What? God, it must get way nastier with her as this goes along. Well, actually get that last year too, for her first season. I think she did.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I think she did. But. So it's Alexia. It's Alexia versus Stephanie. And then the next one down is Lisa Larsa, and the next one is Julia Gertie. And then you've got the friends of the. I think that the Julia Gertie thing is actually more central and bigger, but I think that they're not big enough on the show to both get first seat. And then I think that, like, I think Alexia is. They always give Alexia first seat if they can. Although maybe they didn't.

[Marisol Patton]

I'm a star.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I'm a star. And Lisa and Larsa, they're not gonna put Lisa and Larsa as third seat. They're always gonna have them as second. So I don't know. I think that it just. Stephanie just sort of wound up there because they needed someone across from Alexia and Alexia was gonna be first.

[Marisol Patton]

So Stephanie's like, well, I feel like you belittle people, you know? And when you came in and called me a chihuahua, that was symbolism because it's like, I'm the Rottweiler, bitch. You're the fucking Chihuahua. And I feel like it's Very disrespectful. Well, yeah. She's saying she can kick your ass too, Stephanie. I love that Stephanie thinks she's a detective. She's like. She's got the degree from psychology from Harvard. And Adriana's like, no, sorry. What's her buns? Is like, oh. I don't come in thinking I'm the best, okay? The world tells me I'm the best because I'm a star. And she's like, you try really hard. Like I'm the queen and you're the Chihuahua. You know, right there, you're the Chihuahua. Two pack and two packs of the dog. The Chihuahua. And he scurries off.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Oh.

[Marisol Patton]

And so the women are hearing this, like, oh, my God, I hear screaming. So they go spy on them through the window. And Stephanie's like, it's not gonna go well if you continue belittling me.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Me. Well, I'm sorry that you felt that way, thinking I was going to do that, doing that to you personally, because I wasn't. That wasn't me doing that to you. That was my star aura doing that to you. I have no control about that stuff. Because while you calling me a Chihuahua is definitely not being crazy, okay? And so now everyone's. Stephanie sees them in the window. She's like, guys, go away. Honestly, stop it. So they're like, okay, we live for defender.

[Marisol Patton]

I'm sorry. I'm going to give you the best apology that has ever happened in the world. If it offended you, I'm sorry then. But you know what? Right now, you're talking to somebody with glasses, so you need to have respect, because I'm a very smart person right now.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Well, I'm going to say this right now because you are very smart.

[Marisol Patton]

Okay?

[Alexia Echevarria]

I'm not really offended, but I have to act like I'm really offended. So that way, this hairpin turn will catch you more off guard, okay? Because I want to extend an olive branch to you. So on the plane, I have one seat left, and for that one seat, I invited Marisol. She's like, oh, okay. That's, you know, Alexis thinking like, but I'm the star, and Marisol is friend of. That's. That's weird. But twist. She said, I will not leave Alexia. So my question to you is, would you like to fly on the plane? Surprise. I inviting. Inviting you on the plane to test if you are a shitty friend to Marisol. Are you a shitty friend?

[Marisol Patton]

Very subtle, Stephanie. Very subtle move. And Alexi is like, oh, my God. I'm like, so confused, because one minute you're reprimanding me, and now two seconds later, you're inviting me on your jet when Marisol said she wasn't going because of me, like, what are you doing? That's something Frankie would say, Which I didn't really understand that. What is she saying? Like, is that what Frankie would say? Like, what are you doing? That's something Frankie would say? Or is she saying, mom, do you want to come on the plane? Because I'm not going to let Marisol come on the plane. Do you want to come on the plane? That's something. That's something Frankie would say.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I think it's. I think. Apparently Frankie says, what are you doing? A lot. And, like, Alexia thinks that's, like, so hilarious. I mean, it's cute.

[Marisol Patton]

It's like Frankie says. It's like Frankie always says, what are you doing? Right.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Right. She's like, we all know Frankie's iconic line. What are you doing? Like, what's up, doc?

[Marisol Patton]

Like, Frankie's gonna get a spin off on Bravo. It's gonna be called what are you doing?

[Alexia Echevarria]

Lives?

[Marisol Patton]

Like, it's hilarious. Even the title's hilarious.

[Alexia Echevarria]

So I think that what Stephanie is doing here is she knows that she's putting Alexia in a situation where if Alexia says yes, she's being shitty to Marisol. And she's also. She knows that Alexia wants to come on the plane, and Alexia wants to be on the plane, but she know. Alexa knows she can't go on the plane, but also, she knows that Alexia is going to say no, most likely. So she, Stephanie, gets to get the credit for doing the nice thing and doing the olive branch without having to do any of the heavy lifting of the olive branch, because she doesn't have to actually fly with Alexia on the plane, but she gets credit for inviting her and then knows that she's not going to come. It's kind of like if there's someone that, like. Like, you know, there's like, sometimes you just have someone. They're like, well, I guess I should hang out with this person. And then you. You re. You reach out to be like, I guess I'll hang out with you. And, like, I'm busy. You're like, yes, I got credit for inviting this something, but I don't actually have to hang out with them.

[Marisol Patton]

Yeah. Oh, that's.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Yeah.

[Marisol Patton]

Yeah.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Sort of shitty. But we all know that that happens in life.

[Marisol Patton]

Yeah, it happens. I took it as her being really. I. I took it as her really thinking that Alexia was dumb enough to fall for it. Like, she was trying to be manipulative and say, but do you want to fly on the plane? And then Alexia would be like, yeah, because she's not going to resist a plane. Because to Stephanie, that plane is everything. I mean, that's why she's living her life. That she is. She's doing everything. She's next to that old ass man in tight leather pants for that plane and that money. So for her, that's like the ultimate. Like, I've got a plane, everybody. So. And she knows Alexia is shallow, so she's figuring she can start some drama with Alexi and Marisol. But Alexia is not quite that stupid. So sorry. Sucker. And so she's like, well, I mean, who gives up their seat on a private plane? I mean, let alone a transatlantic flight for their friends. I'll see you there. Have fun with the tsa. I wouldn't want to go on that woman's plane because she's on it. I don't want to go there and have her be like, oh, guys, this is what we do when we're flying over this part of the world. We do a special. Cheers.

[Alexia Echevarria]

You know, she'll be super annoying about it. So they go back to the rest of the group, and Marisol's like, wow, you guys look like, look. You guys look good. Like, what happened over there? Like, you guys are good. Like, like, what happened? Like, what happened? Like, so they say, yeah, everything's good and everything. And. And Stephanie talks about the plane, and she's like, well, you know, some people are gonna go on the private plane and some aren't. And Alexia says that she basically, you know, she's opting not to do it, etc. And so. But there is going to be someone who gets to go on. And Marisolis goes, well, I don't think Monkey is making the manifest on that jet.

[Marisol Patton]

And we get a flashback to Lisa saying, I want to be friends with her because she has an amazing jet, and I want to be friends with people who have jets and yachts. She's, like, disgusting. So she gives a little speech. She's like, I'm taking my airplane. And unfortunately, I can't choose everybody. So I chose Larza because we're very, very close. And I chose Julia. And I have one additional seat because unfortunately, Marisol has turned it down because she's very, very close to Alexia and she doesn't want to leave her. So I do feel like it's between Kiki, because we've hung out a lot, and I Haven't got a chance to bond with Adriana, so that's in my mind too. So who wants to fight over it?

[Alexia Echevarria]

Oh, I know.

[Marisol Patton]

Like, just so gross. It's like any of the people that I actually wanted to take. So fighting for last place is.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Yeah, I know. And she's like, oh, God, I guess I get have to. I'm stuck with one of the friend ofs. So Kiki's like, you know what, Stephanie? I'm gonna make it easy on you. As much as I would love to be on the PJ if you have not gotten to know Adriana, I think it would be a nice way for you to bond. And you know that Stephanie's like, oh, I don't want to take Adriana. That's her last pick as Adriana.

[Marisol Patton]

Yeah. And so Adriana gets to do it because Adriana goes. Not to mention that my supposed best friend is still on the plane, so. And she goes, what? And she's. Julie is like, that is not my place, Adriana. What are you talking about? She's like, that's what I really admire about you, Marisol, because they have such a good relationship that she has Alexia's back day and night, thick and thin. I wish I had that kind of.

[Alexia Echevarria]

No one. No one looks at Alexia and Marisol and thinks, this is a healthy friendship. I just see two codependent people. I see Alexia as, like, the. The alpha in that situation, and Marisol just, like, tagging along. And Alexia knows every now and then, you got to throw a bone to the sidekicks. That way, the sidekick stays as a sidekick and the sidekick has to hang out with the alpha. So that way, the psychics still gets access to all the alpha stuff. No one's looking at that and being like, look at those two sisters who have each other's backs. That's not it. So Adriana trying to make it that, like, she and Julia should have the same relationship. Alexia and Marisol are not friendship goals, if you ask me. I like their friendship, but they're not friendship goals. I don't think that friends should be codependent like that.

[Marisol Patton]

Well, yeah, Adrianna's gel because she's not like that with Julia, apparently. So she's like, I'm just saying, you agreed to go on the plane with her without asking me to go on the same plane. And she's like, well, I'm sorry, but I don't think that makes me bad friend. And Marisol looks at Alexi and she's like, oh, my God, you look like you're crying. She's like, oh, my God. Because I can't believe that you did that for me. Like, waited around for me. She's like, oh, my God. Where's logic on France? It's such a beautiful friendship. And Adriana is like, yeah, they're so beautiful. They don't go anywhere without each other. I'm like, God, lady.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Well. Well, you know what, Alexia, we know how difficult this time has been with your separation with Todd. And, you know, you know, because he filed for divorce and it's good and it's bad. And I appreciate Stephanie being so kind and including me. And it was never. It was. It was. It was. I mean, it was very. It was super generous. But this trip is about Alexia and I would never leave her. It just wouldn't be right. And I can't imagine any friend going on the plane and not inviting their other friend. Just.

[Marisol Patton]

Sorry.

[Alexia Echevarria]

I just wanted to rub a little bit of salt on some Adriana's wounds there. A little. Just. Just a reminder.

[Marisol Patton]

Cheers to Spain, everybody.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Yeah. Here we go. Commences. Yeah, so that was a fun time. We'll see how this all shakes out. We know that we get the mid season trailer. We know that Adriana and Julia's relationship continues to deteriorate. I don't think that they are friends anymore in real life, so we'll see how that progresses. And it looks like there's still like a huge amount of drama left in the season, so. Can't wait. Great season so far. Thanks everyone for being here and we'll catch you on the next episode. Bye. Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King it's always a party on Alison Block.

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[Marisol Patton]

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[Alexia Echevarria]

It's Rebecca Cloud she's the queen bee It's Sarah Lemke we cannot tell a.

[Marisol Patton]

Lie It's Sarah tell of son Shannon.

[Alexia Echevarria]

Out of a can and Anthony please don't stop it's solely and pop let's take off with Tamla plain It's always.

[Marisol Patton]

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