#2967 The Valley S2E18 Part 1: When The S**T Hits The Fanet

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens
Episode: #2967 The Valley S2E18 Part 1: When The ST Hits The Fanet
Release Date: August 13, 2025**

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1. Introduction and Episode Context

In episode #2967 of "Watch What Crappens," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the tumultuous final moments of Jax's tenure on Bravo's reality series "The Valley." This episode marks the end of Jax's presence on the show, a development that both hosts find noteworthy and emotionally charged.

2. Show Scheduling Updates

Ben and Ronnie begin by discussing recent changes in Bravo's programming schedule:

• Miami Recaps Moving to Thursday Nights:
  Ben Mandelker mentions, “Miami is actually moving to Thursday nights. And the reason why is they're putting it behind Orange County” (05:22).

• Orange County Leads the Night:
  Ronnie Karam agrees, noting that placing "Orange County" first is a strategic move by Bravo to anchor the evening and potentially attract more viewers to "Miami."

• Encouragement to Watch Miami:
  Ben Mandelker passionately urges listeners, “For people who are here listening to our Valley recap and have never watched Miami, you are so missing out” (05:10).

3. Brief Discussion on "Alien Earth"

Before delving into the main topic, the hosts briefly touch upon the sci-fi series "Alien Earth":

• Potential Recap of "Alien Earth":
  Ronnie Karam suggests, “We should recap Alien someday” (08:18), hinting at a future episode focused on the show.

• Humorous Take on Alien Characters:
  Ben Mandelker humorously describes the xenomorphs, “they are like little Tamaras running around eating cats and tomskira” (07:43).

4. Main Discussion: "The Valley" Reunion Recap

The core of the episode revolves around dissecting the final reunion episode of "The Valley," focusing on the interpersonal conflicts and serious allegations that emerged.

A. Sexual Assault Allegations and Character Reactions

• Janet's Accusations Against Danny:
  During the reunion, Janet accuses Danny of inappropriate behavior, stating, “how could you call me a clown?” (09:58). This accusation triggers a heated exchange.

• Demand for Evidence:
  Ronnie Karam presses Janet, saying, “Don't let them steal your peas. Don't let them steal your peace, Daniel” (10:11), emphasizing the need for concrete evidence behind the allegations.

• Use of Victim Narrative as a Weapon:
  Ronnie Karam critiques Janet's approach: “She's taking the old victim cloak... using them as weapons” (13:32), highlighting how Janet leverages victimhood to validate her accusations without providing specific details.

B. Drinking Problems and Behavioral Issues

• Danny's Relationship with Alcohol:
  The hosts discuss Danny's drinking issues, noting his fluctuations between sobriety and problematic behavior. Ben Mandelker states, “Danny clearly is not a good drunk” (19:16), while Ronnie Karam adds, “At this point, it's pretty clear he has a drinking problem” (21:31).

• Jason's Struggle with Alcohol:
  Jason acknowledges his own challenges: “I haven't had a drink in a few weeks, which is a problem” (24:14), reflecting the show's broader theme of substance abuse.

C. Ring Tattoos as a Response to Rumors

• Debunking Relationship Rumors:
  Janet gets ring tattoos in response to rumors about her relationship, which Ben humorously describes as an attempt to “make light of it” (28:09).

• Conflict Over Symbolism:
  The hosts mock the significance of the ring tattoos, with Ronnie Karam quipping, “I need a painting in my home of Zach cradling Jax as he cries” (49:14), underscoring the perceived triviality of the gesture amidst serious accusations.

D. Character Flip-Flopping and Manipulation

• Jasmine's Inconsistencies:
  Ben Mandelker criticizes Jasmine for her erratic statements, stating, “Jasmine's story changes all the time” (36:08), suggesting a lack of credibility.

• Kristen's Sanctimonious Attitude:
  Ronnie Karam points out Kristen's flawed defense mechanisms: “Her whole first season was about lying about fucking Jax” (33:58), indicating hypocrisy in her claims of truthfulness.

5. Host Dynamics and Personal Reflections

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie interject personal opinions and humorous remarks:

• Emotional Investment:
  Ben Mandelker shares his sentiment, “I'm sad that the Valley's over. It was really so stunning this season” (03:57), reflecting his deep engagement with the show's developments.

• Humorous Banter:
  The hosts frequently engage in playful teasing, such as mocking Janet's behavior and Jax's reactions, which adds a light-hearted tone to the otherwise serious discussions.

6. Conclusion and Teasers for Future Episodes

As the episode wraps up, Ben and Ronnie tease future content:

• Upcoming Miami Recap:
  Ben Mandelker mentions, “tomorrow, of course, we are going to have our Miami recap” (03:56), indicating a dedicated episode to another Bravo show.

• Plans for "Alien" Recap:
  Ronnie Karam reiterates the possibility of recapping "Alien," adding anticipation for listeners (08:15).

• Closing Remarks:
  The hosts conclude with humorous commentary on their own relationship dynamics within the podcast, maintaining their signature blend of humor and critique.

7. Notable Quotes

• Ben Mandelker: “Start your free online visit today at hers.com crappens for your personalized weight loss treatment options” (00:41) – Note: This is part of a sponsorship pitch and is not content-related.

• Ronnie Karam: “Janet is taking the old victim cloak... using them as weapons” (13:32).

• Ben Mandelker: “Danny clearly is not a good drunk” (19:16).

• Ronnie Karam: “I'm not standing up for Danny. Like, fuck Danny” (15:43).

• Ben Mandelker: “Jax is the most shocked. He's like, well, why am I the only one getting so” (08:25).

8. Final Thoughts

Episode #2967 of "Watch What Crappens" offers an unfiltered and candid analysis of the final reunion of "The Valley," focusing on the complex dynamics and serious issues that surfaced. Ben and Ronnie navigate through accusations of sexual misconduct, struggles with addiction, and the interpersonal conflicts that define reality TV drama. Their blend of humor, critique, and personal insights provides listeners with a comprehensive and engaging recap of the episode, encouraging both fans and casual viewers to reflect on the events and their implications within the show's narrative.

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello, and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. That's Ronnie Karam. And today we are celebrating the final episode of Jax being on Bravo until he's uncanceled again. But for right now, it seems pretty good. Seems like this is the one. This is it. This is it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Seems steady, eh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Hey, Ronnie, how's it going? Good.

[Ronnie Karam]

How you doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm doing really well. I'm sad that the Valley's over. It was really so stunning this season. Great, great work. And I, I think I would. I would have to categorize myself as quite happy also. I'm quite happy because tomorrow, of course, we are going to have our Miami recap. And we already saw the Miami episode. I've got to say, it was so good. I was laughing so hard through so much of it. I cannot wait to recap it. But then, in case people didn't hear, Miami is actually moving to Thursday nights. So we have a little bit of a traffic jam with our recaps because we just do with our scheduling. And we also have nothing on Monday. So what we're going to do is Orange counties are going to be on Friday, and then Miami recaps will be on Monday mornings that we finally have something on Monday mornings again. So that is the programming update on that front.

[Ronnie Karam]

Super bizarre. They. I mean, they're not going to have anything on Wednesday, Tuesday, or what the hell they don't have.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, they have. Wait.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, Monday is below deck, Tuesday is McBee. Right. But then next Tuesday.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, Monday is McBee and below deck, Tuesday. I don't think there's anything on there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Tuesday they're going to show Love island, which is bizarre. They're going to show last season of Love Island. They're starting it from the beginning, it looks like. And then Wednesday, maybe they'll do More.

[Ben Mandelker]

Love Island, I don't know. Then Thursday. I actually, believe it or not, I'm actually okay with them moving Miami to Thursday. And the reason why is they're putting it behind Orange County. So they're now going to have an Orange county lead in which I think is. That's nice, because it means to me that Bravo is trying to get more viewers on Miami. I think. I think that we're just trying to have Miami anchor a whole night. And for whatever reason, I don't. I can't explain many people's actions in 2025. So I can't explain why people are watching Miami. I think people are watching it like the chatter is going up and up and up and up. I think it's getting to that. It's approaching where it needs to be. But for people who are here listening to our Valley recap and have never watched Miami, I mean, you are so missing out. I finished watching the episode and I was like, this is really, like, the perfect show. Like, there are. Sometimes I watch Miami. I actually think it may even be better than Salt Lake City because it is just so good. So that's my plea for everyone to watch Miami because it's. You just don't want to miss out. That's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I gotta watch Miami. Come on, be a. Be a good American.

[Ben Mandelker]

Be a good American. But anyway, with your eyes. But with your eyes. Patreon.com Watch for Grappens is our Patreon. We have bonus episodes. We'll record one later today. And we also have Crappins on Demand where you can watch us, not just listen to us. So get the full experience over there. And then lastly, on Monday, after a few hours after our Miami recap, we are going to be doing Amazon Live and we will be talking about some of our favorite products. So join us over there because we have way too much fun doing that. So that's all the news. That's the updates.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's the. Might even do something a little special since we're going to be short a recap or two. So you never know what's going to come down the pike. Guess what? We don't know either, because we haven't even discussed it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know either.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we haven't discussed it. I have no idea. I have no idea.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's gonna be special, whatever it is.

[Ronnie Karam]

I watched Alien Earth last night. Pretty special. I'm sure a Bravo audience would love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

That would actually be kind of a funny thing to recap, even though it does look scary. I'm actually okay with Camera gets sent.

[Ronnie Karam]

Down to Earth on a crashed alien ship.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tamra. Yeah, seriously, the original Xenomorph.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's my opinion.

[Ben Mandelker]

All those aliens, all those xenomorphs are like little Tamaras running around eating cats and tomskira.

[Ronnie Karam]

They are. And then they have the Larsa, the, like, cyborg who has changed from, you know, she. She got too much Botox and filler in her face, so they had to move her personality into a different body. They got her. Very good.

[Ben Mandelker]

I only saw the first alien. I've actually never seen any of the others, including Aliens, which I. I've been meaning to watch for, I don't know, about 20 years.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, that's a classic.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

One of the best sequels ever of all time.

[Ben Mandelker]

I loved Alien. I love it. We should recap Alien someday. Wouldn't that be funny if we just recap the original Alien?

[Ronnie Karam]

Sure we should. I'm down next week. We're on. It's Alien Week. We should celebrate Alien Week by. Or Alien coming on TV by recapping the original Alien.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why not the original Alien?

[Ronnie Karam]

She's a lesbian. We can just ask that every five minutes like people did in the movie theater.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. So funny. Speaking of aliens, let's talk about this cast of the Valley. So, yeah, I'm so excited for you, Ronnie. I am so, so thrilled, because I feel like today you're really gonna have a fun time. This is gonna be. Yes. The. The fire hose will open, and I cannot wait to hear your rage. I feel. I was watching the episode last night. I was like, ronnie is going to be furious.

[Ronnie Karam]

Really? I mean, I just watched and kept going. Oh, shut up. I mean, I feel like the same amount that I always do, but I feel very peaceful and calm today and rage free. So let's see. See what happens.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, here we are, part three of this reunion. A really strong reunion. And also one of the few times I will say all three parts were deserved. I felt like it was. It was crammed full of good stuff. And where we left off was this fight with. With Danny and Jason being like, you're a clown, dude. You're like a clown. You're a lot. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? How could you call me a clown? You know how many times I tried out for that role? You know what? I'm sorry. I'd. Why do you have to bring up my trauma trying to audition for it? It's just not nice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Daniel spent months hiding under the grate on our street trying to get method to get that role, and he still didn't get it. But you know what, Daniel? Don't let them steal your peas. Don't let them steal your peace, Daniel.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't even know how many red balloons I inflated, okay? I was getting into the roll. So Janet's like, you know what? I'm actually glad. You know, I've talked about it a lot because it's happened multiple times ever since. Multiple times the sexual assault has happened. We don't have evidence, nor we have stories. We don't even have fake stories about how it happened. But I'm just gonna say to everyone, it happened multiple times since.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Andy, who, I mean, we all suspect, has grabbed plenty of butts in his day and told people, get daddy a drink. Okay? Like, let's just get that out there, okay? I think we all know that this happens on a regular basis. Andy is just perplexed by this whole line of questioning, even though it's his board. But, you know, he's very like, wait, so you're saying he's touched other women's butts? Like, why do I care about this? I mean, he just has this look on his face like, is this what we've gone to on this show? And Janet's like, well, he's been inappropriate and made other women feel uncomfortable multiple times since as recently as the Super Bowl. Dun, dun, dun. First of all, isn't the super bowl national women feeling uncomfortable day? I mean, I think men have been making women feel uncomfortable on the super bowl since the dawn of the Super Bowl. I've never been to one where I haven't been uncomfortable for every woman in the room. Okay, yeah. Second, prove it. And by the way, I know I'm minimizing by making jokes about what Danny did. It's just that it's talked about ad nauseam. You know what I mean? So, yes, Danny still sucks for grabbing someone's butt and doing all of that stuff, but Janet is just taking it to this level. That's ridiculous. Prove it. Who. Where are these multiple times, Janet, who are these people? Name them. Name them and name them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's the. Here's here's the thing. I actually don't. I don't doubt that Danny has gotten drunk and then flirty and made people be, like, giving people the creeps. You know, I think I. We both. We both. We both believe that. I think that the problem is that Janet is, you know, she's doubling down, I think, because she doesn't really want to pull. She doesn't want to take anything back. So she's kind of doubling down and now making herself a crusader on this topic that she's. I'm not sure she's qualified to be the advocate in this moment, like, because she doesn't. She's not bringing, like, facts to be like, hey, listen, I've got to say, on this occasion, this happened. This occasion this happened. This occasion this happened. And she's not bringing. I don't know, She's. She's not bringing enough. So it just is coming out as kind of like, sort of general, like, accusations, which I just think is like, a little harmful. Like, I think it's. And. And I think that she's doing it really. You know, there's something about the sanctimoniousness of the. Not the sanctimoniousness of it, but it's like the. She is putting herself at. In this crusader position. It almost feels like to retroactively sure. Up her position. Sure. Up the fact that she was over the top in yelling sexual assault on that boat. I think.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And I think that the reason. The reason it's so effective is because the argument that she's using is designed to make you uncomfortable. It's designed to make you unable to argue with it because she's using. She's taking the old victim cloak, right.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's using serious.

[Ronnie Karam]

You can't argue with the victim cloak. Right. So she's taking that and she's using that as a weapon against someone. But none of it is her. Is. None of. None of it is her victimhood. So when it comes to Jasmine, okay, we get the Jasmine thing. Jasmine has every right to stand up. And actually Janet has a right to say something about it, too, frankly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And I think that he did that. So, like, you're allowed to be ally.

[Ronnie Karam]

But she allowed to be an ally terms. Right? She's taking these terms. She's taking terms like he's made women feel uncomfortable. Well, we all know what that means. She's taking turns, like, sexual. She's taking these big terms and she's using them as weapons. Because you can't argue with those terms because if you argue them, then people are saying, why are you standing up for someone who would. Who would make women feel like that or do that to women? It's not standing up for Danny. Danny's a pig for doing that. But Janice, a pig for taking all of these things to fight with somebody just because she doesn't like them. When she doesn't believe any of this shit. And you can't go around accusing people of, like, sexual assault when you have no proof. And I'm not talking about the Jasmine thing. I'm talking about this. You've made inappropriate. You've made women feel uncomfortable. Well, who is it? So then we find out because, well, it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, it's a little fraught because I think when it comes to discussions, and this is where it's all becomes like this ball of yarn. Because when it comes to discussions of like, oh, you have no proof. A lot of times there is never proof in these incidents. So it's like sort of. It always comes down to what he said, she said. And this is why actually a lot of guys get away with it because there's never any proof. But I think that what we're kind of. I do think we're agreeing on this, which is that it seems like on that boat she blurted out sexual assault, which, like, technically, maybe that, technically, okay, it fits under there. But realistically we understand that the word those, that phrase is loaded with a lot more meaning than just the legal definition. And she, she took it too far by saying that. And instead of sort of saying, I did take it too far, I. That like, that was bad, she's now doubling down and actually saying that now she's going to be like an advocate for this sort of stu. Which is hard to argue against because, like, who would say, like, fuck you for being an advocate against sexual assault? Like, no one's gonna say that. But she's also, like you said, victim, cloaking yourself by doing so well.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's just. To your point where she's saying. Where victims are often met with the argument there's no proof and you have no proof. That's what she's counting on. But she's not a victim. She's not the victim. So also, like, it's like saying you don't have proof of what you're accusing people of doing. These other people have not accused him. You are accusing him with no proof. So that's the difference. She's taking this terminology that if you argue with it in any way, you're just a pig misogynist who's standing up for someone who did something shitty, which I'm not doing. I'm not saying people are accusing us necessarily. I'm saying that that's the arguing that she uses and that's why she's a dangerous person. She's a gross fucking person. And to say, like, you've done this multiple times. Who are they? You have to name them now and to say the Super Bowl. Okay, great. So then niece is telling her, that's a lie. Janet, you're so good at lying, and you're making it sound like he's going out and grabbing women when he drinks. And she goes, well, until the behavior stops, I don't feel bad about talking about it. And there's a couple people on this stage that know about it. Okay, then who? Let's find out who.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, she's doing enough to. She's doing enough. Like, it's almost like she just.

[Ronnie Karam]

She.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, maybe we don't need proof, but maybe we need to hear. Like, what are you talking about? What has brought you to this place? Like, what have you heard? Because it's like, you can't just, like, go halfway and say, I heard things, and then you don't follow up with any details. Maybe it's not that we need proof. We maybe need details.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it's not because no one said. I mean, I guess I said prove it, but I'm saying name the people. Name them. Like, if you're.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't even.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're gonna make it. If you're gonna.

[Ben Mandelker]

But you can say like, this happened on this. You know, what I heard from someone is that Danny did X, Y, and Z to them. And then I also. This person said, danny did the X, Y, and Z. But if you're just like, I heard things, I think that's very harmful. It's like, either, you know, you don't say it exactly, or you say it and you come in with sort of like, this is something that real. That happened, and we should all, as a cast be concerned, but that sort of half and half thing is, like, not great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, exactly. And from what we know from the show, from what we've seen her say, she said you went to a fan event. You were at a fan event and you were grabbing people's butts or doing whatever. You were doing all this stuff to fans, right? And you were making the fans really uncomfortable. Well, who did you hear that from? Brittany. Well, Brittany, did she say that? Well, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't see that. Jason said it, and then. Jason, did you see it? No, I never said that. So that's what we know so far. So this is where Janet stand. This is the ice that Janet is standing on. And it's making me crazy that the only people calling her out are the people that are being kind of attacked with it. And they really have no leg to stand on because Danny did do that with Jasmine. So it's like he's, he's got. So that's why, that's why I have to make it very clear. I'm not standing up for Danny. Like, fuck Danny. Okay? This isn't about Danny. This is about her taking something that's very serious to a lot of people and minimizing it for her own shallow gains. And it's really frustrating to watch. So now they do it again. So Nia calls her out for being a liar. They said, who told you this? What? Who are you talking about? Who are these couple of people you're talking about? So Janet says, well, Michelle. And Michelle says, okay, so Britney. Well, you said. Said that you felt uncomfortable on your birthday around Danny. Okay, shocker. This came from Brittany again.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, but now this was interesting because Brittany starts giggling very uncomfortably. She's like, well, you know, Danny did get pretty drunk and you were a lot. You were like, follow me around for a little bit. But like you. I mean, you didn't like Mike and you didn't touch me or nothing. But like his personality just was very much changed. And like he started being very flirtatious. And I don't really know how to explain it, but he wasn't that same way.

[Ronnie Karam]

God.

[Ben Mandelker]

As it was on Halloween. And I was like, I lowkey thought this was like a little upsetting because she seemed so uneasy about this. I think she just didn't want to be lumped into all of Janet's. But she basically was saying again, like, he was getting flirty with me and like she wasn't going to bring it up. And, and she's like, yeah, he was flirty with me. I mean like, Danny clearly is not a good drunk. I'm sorry, he's not.

[Ronnie Karam]

But then, you know Janet. Yeah, it's not that he's a good drunk. It's Brittany. Something like, Danny was wasted. Danny was wasted. And I don't know if he was for a lot. Like, I don't know what that deals. Whatever she told Janet, Janet took it to say he's made women uncomfortable multiple times since. Until his behavior stops. His sexual assault behavior stops. It's like just, it's just so. It's just frustrating to watch it, you know, she makes me crazy. She makes me crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Neil's like, I think it's. That's important to specify because the way that Janet talked about it, he's like, you. Well, you said he grabbed people. And Jason's like, no, I didn't say he grabbed people. I was like, yeah, you did. You said the same thing. It's like, well, he's gone. He's done things other times, and it just. It wasn't Jasmine and Melissa. That's all I'm saying. So Andy's like, danny, Jasmine said Santa Barbara, that she knows you have a drinking problem.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you think you have a drinking problem?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, angie, and. And.

[Ronnie Karam]

And.

[Ben Mandelker]

Me having a drink problem. That's ridiculous. And Jasmine's like, well, the only reason I know you have one is because of what you did. And, you know, I felt like there had to be some kind of issue or something with alcohol. And then Jason's like, do you think you have a drinking problem? Do they have a. I'm like, even if he did have a drinking problem, why on earth is he gonna have like a. Like a come to Jesus moment with you, Jason, after you and Janet have just come so hard for him?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think at this point, it's pretty clear he has a drinking problem. And I actually agree with Jason when he says we all have a drinking problem. It's the most on. I think he was trying to trick Danny into saying something, but he kind of spoke for everybody because Jason gets drunk and acts like an idiot and yells at women all the time on this show. We've seen it multiple times, so he's not really scot free either.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was my favorite thing when he said that I think we all have a drinking problem. And how upset so many people got. Like, what? Especially Kristen. What? You're saying that I have a drinking problem? Seriously? Seriously.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm like, yes, Kristen, you have a drinking problem. And I can't wait till next year till you've dropped that baby and you can get back to being your normal self. Because the St. Kristen thing is. Is out of control at this point. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin commercial. Oh, summer is winding down. But you know what? It's good to get back into a routine, and I think it's time to refresh my style for the new season. I'm looking for a lot of new stuff. I'm always looking for new stuff to refresh my style. And the best place to do it is where I do it. Always. Wayfair.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So he's like, do you think you have a drinking problem? Danny's like, well, I haven't had a drink in a few weeks, which is a problem. I can say that that's been rough. And Jason's like, well, everybody on this stage has issues with alcohol, to be honest with you.

[Ben Mandelker]

With you.

[Ronnie Karam]

And they're like, what? And Jax goes, huh? Jax is the most shocked. He's like, well, why am I the only one getting so. Yeah. And Kristen's all offended, like you said. And he goes, and the fact that you won't admit that you have any issues with it. So Danny's like, okay, so do you have a drinking problem? And he's like, well, it's a battle for Me, you know, because if I'm going to choose to drink, it's something that every time I have to think about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

But seriously, you can't say everyone on this stage has a problem with alcohol. What about Nia? Don't say something bad about Nia. That's just like a bold ass statement to make about everybody. So Jason's like, well, I mean, I guess I've never hung out with Andy. They all laugh. It's like, you know, I just, I don't want to get all worked up. Like, I know. I think they'll like, like, make this a thing because, like, you know, there are good people. Like Danny and he are good people, despite the fact that he's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah, they're good people when they're sober. They're good people when they're sober.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, they have a beautiful family. They have a big. He's like, but you just called me a clown. Clowns aren't beautiful. How could you say such a thing?

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jesse's like, yeah, you should apologize for calling him a clown. I really like Jesse gaping. And he's like, no, he is a clown. I mean, look at the guy. So Jason can't really make up his mind what he's trying to do today. You know, he's a flip flopper. And so Danny's like, well, you're just name calling now, clown. You call me a clown? Is that worse than calling somebody daddy? I mean, really. So Jason's like, okay, you're right.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're right. I shouldn't called you a clown. That was immature. So Brittany's like, wait, wait, I can.

[Ben Mandelker]

Say none of us think that you're.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, a bad person. I just think it was these certain incidences that you acted just out of your character, that's all.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's all right. I'm bored. Rumors about Jason ditching his wedding band was one ring toss game that Janet refused to play.

[Ronnie Karam]

In case you don't get that joke, Janet, love loves Dave and Busters. What a personality. What a personality.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jasmine, Jason thinks you made up the ring rumor. How did you feel accused of this by someone you were such pals with? So Jasmine's like, I was just hurt that the fact that you thought I would really, like, go out of my way to make up a rumor, like, about you, like, taking off your ring. Like, first of all, that's the worst whack rumor I've ever heard in my life. Like, are you kidding me? Like, that is so whack. Like, on the scale of Zero to whack. That is the most whack. It's whack times five. I mean, give me more respect.

[Ronnie Karam]

If there was a mole, he would be whacked right now. I'm telling you that he would win a David Buster's because that was whack. Whack. That was. That was whack.

[Ben Mandelker]

If I wanted Wonder song, no one believes that.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, like, obviously it's a whack rumor.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was very whack. It was 100% whack. Return of the whack. So Kristen's like, whacking the gutter. What'd you say?

[Ronnie Karam]

Whacking the beanstalk. That was like whacking the beanstalk. Like, throw your magic beans on the ground. Climb up. Climb up a fucking rope.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want my baby whack, baby whack, baby whack, baby whack. Hi.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't talk about hooters competition in here. Stay soon. So Kristen's like, yeah, I could do way better than that. So Jasmine's like, yeah, maybe it was my fault for speaking on it when I was impressed, like, frustration, like, with Janet. But, like, I didn't make that up. And I didn't lie. Okay. I didn't lie. So. Okay. Well, weeks after it was put to bed, you know, Janet, you went to get ring tattoos to debunk a rumor that you said you didn't care about. I love that Andy hates Janet does. So wait, I'm just going through my cards of your quote unquote storyline, and you were over something for three weeks and then got ring tattoos?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, funny story. It really. It was not necessarily to debunk. It was like, once this is out, it just feels like a can of worms that you just can't put it back. I was like, you can literally put worms back into a can.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, worms go back in cans.

[Ben Mandelker]

Worms are like. They get in there. It's the toothpaste that you have to have.

[Ronnie Karam]

You can't put worms in a toothpaste tub.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can't do that.

[Ronnie Karam]

You can't do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, And I've been telling Jason, Jason has never had a tattooed before this, and I. I wanted him to get one. And I. I felt like kind of a fun. It was a fun excuse to, like, make light of it because, like, we, you know, make fun of ourselves and situation. We're very relatable people that America should love. And I've always kind of wanted a wedding band tattoo. Cause that always works out well for people. And I thought it was cool and so we just had a day of it, that's all.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wish they had showed us a clip of this scene because I love her rewriting this into. Oh, yeah, you know, it was just a fun excuse to, you know, make light of it. Just have fun. Just a fun scene. Me and Jason getting away was hilarious. Jason, you sure you're getting this tattoo? This means so much to me because I'm like, so insecure about people. Replay the scene. This was not a fun, light scene, Janet. So, Zach, you said it was comical that Janet and Jason laughed off the ring rumor at the shark party. God, I love that sentence. But later made a big deal of it. Why do you think they did that? He's like. I mean, they were like, oh, I guess that's our storyline. So that's what they did. I mean, no storyline about a spread Nespresso pods for them. I have a really great Nespresso potholder, by the way. It's going to be featured heavily in season three.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, at first I'm like, laughing it off because I know this is not true, but it also made me realize our friendship is not getting to a better place, so that's not going to help us get to a peaceful place this summer. And I was, like, bummed about that. And also as a joke and that Jason and I have a pretty calm, boring marriage. In that sense. I really don't know why America hates us. I mean, we're just two boring people just doing boring things. You know, accusing people of sexual assault and playing games and, you know, trying to avoid that low hanging hood in our kitchen. That's it, really. Just simple people.

[Ronnie Karam]

The truest thing Janet has ever said on this show is Jason and I have a pretty calm, boring marriage. So Kristen's like, oh, now you're relevant. Now you're relevant. You did it, Janet. And, and how's she relevant? By the ring. The ring tattoos, in that logic.

[Ben Mandelker]

But.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, Kristen, do. Do you owe Kristen an apology for making you relevant? Good. Kristen. John's like, no. I mean, this is, this is out there publicly. People are going to be questioning his character. You have to own up to that. You have to own up to that. I mean, even the, the. The drug addicted sex assaulter next to you probably agrees with that reputation is very, very important.

[Ben Mandelker]

People don't care. The only people who perpetuated it all summer long was you two. And yeah, Luke's like, yeah, no one talked about this. I mean, I don't mean this in an asshole way, but it's literally you're not important for fans to care that much about. Okay, but after the shark party, when you both laughed and I looked right at you and I said I was just being an asshole. You hurt my friends. I came after you. I said that to your face. Jason, you can roll your eyes. I'm being honest. Ca. Caw.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, because Jason's activated over there. Everything. Jason is so pissed off at this point. He's just rolling his eyes and like grabbing Janet's hand, then ungrabbing her, ungrabbing it and then grabbing it and ungrabbing it and just like shifting around on the couch because they're losing this so bad. And I love that you're not important enough to care. It's like a very Stasi, you know, a very Lisa to Stasi line. Like, you're not important enough to hate. So Jason's like, oh, we hurt your friends. What are you talking about? We hurt your friends. And Danny's like, what are you talking about? You forgot the whole storyline. Come on. He goes, oh, yeah, we're not gonna get into that. Well, you're asking. That's what she's talking about. So Janet is like, oh, of course the ass grabber's laughing. Of course he is. Of course he is. That's what ass grabbing people do. They laugh. They're just laughers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Laughing and laughing and laughing. I told you to your face. I was just trying to be a bitch. I mean, come on. And so Jason's like, why are we not allowed to be mad about you being a bitch? Which is a fair point. So Kristen's like, it's not that you're not allowed to be mad, but you guys would not shut the fuck up about it the whole summer.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I mean, their point is nobody cared about the ring thing. It was like a stupid thing Kristen said when she was mad. And the only reason it became a thing is because Janet made it into a storyline. Because at first Janet just laughed it off. Like, well, everyone knows that's not true. Kristen was. Which was actually a very smart move. And it deflated Kristen's whole thing. I mean, even we. Even us watching the show, we were like, yeah, that was lame by Kristen because they had like a three week thing where they were like, Kristen is going to say this thing. And she finally said it and we're like, like, that's stupid. You know, And Janet laughed it off and it was like, well played. You know, that was a well played. She got out of me, which is rare to get something out of me for Janet but she got that out of me. And then she just decided, well, I guess we need something to do. Let's be pissed off about this thing. And they just have egg on their face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, Jason saying that actually, really, who he was more upset with was Jasmine over the whole thing. Because, you know, her being the source that, you know, they had a great relationship. So that's why they. They got mad, because it was Jasmine. And Kristen's like, but you guys say I make sure. Well, I don't know. I mean, I know, but we weren't going after you. Like, during the whole season, we weren't going after you. And she's like, oh, I watched the show, Jason. I watched it. He's like. He's like, so did I. Kristen's like, you call me a liar. You said my reputation and shit like that. I do not have a reputation of making things up or being a liar. Like, well, Kristen, I mean, I don't know so much about that one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Your whole first season was about lying about fucking Jax. Like, your whole. Your whole beginning of this show is about you lying.

[Ben Mandelker]

So do you remember why you were fired from Van?

[Ronnie Karam]

Remember, Girl, you gotta have faith, faith, faith oh, you've got to have faith, faith, faith But I love.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love sanctimonious Kristen. Like, I love that. She's like, I am known for being truthful. I am known for finding shit out. She's like a bastion of. Of.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, Kristen is Detective Doty, you know, I guess that would be. That's what she's referring to is like, her reputation is Detective Doty and, like, bringing Miami girl in town, you know, shit like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like, I like. But also. Yeah, nevermind.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was just.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Kristen. I just. I love how annoyed she is in this episode. So she's like, yeah, I have a reputation for uncovering the truth and not exaggerating. Everyone knows that. I never exaggerate. Everyone from the most random person in the middle of Nebraska to all the people at the G4 summit, they all know I do not exaggerate.

[Ronnie Karam]

Unborn babies know. If you ask nine out of 10.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bunny rabbits, they would tell you, I'm.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not known for exaggerating.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I was watching Alien Earth and all those xenomorphs arrived and they said, guess what? We're here to find Chris and Dodie. Because we hear she does not exaggerate.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Andy is skeptical and he's like, oh, is that your reputation? She's like, yes. Uncovering the truth and inserting myself in places that are none of my business. Not being a liar, not exaggerating, not my reputation. Okay, well, Jasmine at the beach, you screamed at Janet, saying she was a shit ass friend, she's a vibe killer, and she gives Karen energy. What did Janet do that made you so mad? Other than being a shit ass friend, being a vibe killer, and giving Karen energy? I mean, you just listed three pretty good ones.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah, that feels.

[Ronnie Karam]

How many more do I need?

[Ben Mandelker]

Just like. Well, I wanted to talk to Jason. And as I'm talking to Jason, Janet is just spitting at me. She's like, you're a snake. You're a liar. You're whack. And Jason's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That didn't happen.

[Ronnie Karam]

She.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she, you know, she goes, snake. You go, snake. You said snake.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jazz. Like, if they had that footage, they should roll it, because I do not remember saying that. No, you did. You said, you're a whack snake. And Janet, you were just like, crossing your arms in this whack way. And you were just like, snake, liar. Whack, whack snake, Whack liar. And you were just standing there and you were like this. Snake, liar. Snake, snake liar.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you were like, you know what? If you were chips, I would order some whack a mole, because that's how whack of a snake you are. Okay, you said it, Janet. I remember. And when she said that, I was like, no, she didn't. I mean, Jasmine is notoriously terrible at this, and she's also a horrible flip flopper. Like, Jasmine. Not Janet. Jasmine. Jasmine's story changes all the time. She flip flops on people constantly. She's anti one person to Janet and then totally going and acting like she's been on that person's side the whole time. I mean, Jasmine, she's bad at this game and she's full of too. Or she just remembers things completely wrong. But yeah, even. Even this part, I have to stick up for Janet because, wow, this is not true.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I mean, Janet was interrupting and getting in the way, but she was not the one saying snake. It was actually Jason. And they should.

[Ronnie Karam]

The answer should have been, I'm trying to talk to my friend Jason. And you kept interjecting with your little Karen, and I'm not trying to talk to you. And I lost my temper at you. That's what happened. But instead she's like. And you sat there and crossed your arms and called me a snake over and over. It's like, no. No, it didn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't make me stand up for Janet. That's the worst thing you could have done, Jasmine. Now I'm just disappointed.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we see the flashback. You're giving Karen energy. And. And Jasmine's like, anyway, you wouldn't let me speak in that moment. And I was just like, let me speak to Jason. Explain to him the situation, this wax situation. All right, Jason, were you surprised to see Jasmine get upset like that? And he's like, I mean, I think my face in that scene showed. I was shocked by that. Remember how I cried? That was really great. Right? Do you feel like. By the way, Jasmine, do you feel like you were manipulated at all? This is a lawyer, Jason, about to make a very good point.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, manipulated was like, yeah. Did you feel manipulated by somebody? She's. She probably feels manipulated right now. You're literally trying to manipulate her right now to saying she feels manipulated, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like. And Zach's got. By who? Me? Is it me? Did I do manipulation? And Luke is like, kristen, just wait your turn. Be quiet. She's like, did you just tell me to shush? I told you. Yeah, that was so funny. Just stop it, babe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stop it. So Jasmine's like, I don't think I was manipulated. Are you sure? Are you sure you didn't feel manipulated, Jason? Okay, I don't know a lot about Jason, except I hate him on this show. And B, he's probably a terrible lawyer because he's just. He's so ham fisted with this.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is hard to watch. She's like, no, I haven't been manipulated. Nope.

[Ben Mandelker]

Show me on the doll where you were manipulated. And Andy's like, you're saying, Kristen. Kristen Doty over there manipulated someone. Jason's like, I watched the show. You know, it looked to me like Kristen doesn't like Janet. So she's talking to people and she's taking people. She's talking to people and saying, this is Janet. This is Janet. This is Janet. And Janet was the scapegoat for everyone. I mean, look, you can't even accuse someone of sexual assault anymore. I mean, this is scapegoat behavior right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Kristin's like, what show did you watch? D's like, I know you watched as her husband. That's the show she watched, okay? And Kristen's like, I swear to God. What the Were you watching? Yeah, what were you watching? Janet is literally behind everything on this season. People. The only reason people talked about Janet is because she was Spreading shit all season.

[Ben Mandelker]

And actually, for the first portion of the season, Janet was fairly out of harm's way. I mean, she entered the season with a beef with Zach, with a beef with Kristen. She settled things with Zach and didn't quite settle things with Kristen. And it really went sour for her when at that one dinner at Brittany's house where Janet said to Nancy Nia, hey, if you're having. If Danny is seeing babies on the ceiling, I have someone that you could talk to about that. And then all of a sudden, like, World War III broke out. But I don't think that Kristen was manipulating. I think Kristen was just reacting to what she felt was an unfair characterization of Danny. Whether it was or not, that's a whole other issue. And who cares? But, like, you know, I don't think that Kristen was. I don't think Kristen has manipulation in her. She may try, but I think everyone would see it coming 10 miles away.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, she'll be like, hey, yeah, she's not.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what I heard? I mean, I heard you should hate Janet. Okay, Start. Like, that's would be her manipulation.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Andy asks Jasmine where her relationship with. With Janet stands. So she's like, oh, listen, look, you know, I've been friends with her, like, for so long. Like, me and Janet, like, we're so tight. Like, we've been friends forever, you know, and it's like siblings, you know, we're like family. Because, like, you know, when you fight with your family, like, how it's like, whack. So we do that, but, like, you know, like, it's what we do. Like, I fight with Zach all the time, but, like, you know, I was. There was. There was never like, a I hate Janet kind of thing, you know, like that kind of thing. It was just like, you're a. And you're Karen, you know, like, that's different, but, like, there's like, layers of stuff because, like, you know, like, our friendship hasn't been the same. Like, we just don't talk, you know, like. And it hurts, but, like, I mean, I don't hate you. I don't. Like, I mean, but, like, there's, like, love there, you know? You know, like, Melissa made a good point. She was like, you guys are crying. And, like, I was crying in my house, and she was crying in her house, and Melissa was like, oh, my God, that means you love each other. Cause you're both crying, you know, so, like, maybe that's good. Is that love really? When you're in a friendship where you've both made each other cry multiple times and you're sitting in your ball pit. I don't think so. Sitting in your home baby ball pit. I don't think friendship.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe evidence of like a brain injury after bonking that low hanging hood in your kitchen. So Kristen's like, well, there is love, but there's also talking. Jasmine, come on, we have a group talk where you talk, where you talk. You do it. She's like, no, I get that, I get that. And you know, I get upset with her and there's things that we need to talk about like, you know, all the wax stuff she's done. And Kristen's like, so like you have to be fair about that. Still be angry at her. Stop being nice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here she is again, Jasmine refusing to see say what she's saying in the group chat to Janet's face. Here she lost. She got pissed off at the beach and she called her the Karen and all of that. But other than that she won't stand up to her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, I mean, because maybe she is trying to salvage it and maybe she doesn't want to rehash that because maybe the things that she wrote she was angry about. Or maybe Jasmine herself is two faced.

[Ronnie Karam]

And is that's what that's my.

[Ben Mandelker]

Could be all. Could be all the above, quite frankly.

[Ronnie Karam]

Especially, I mean, at least say it out loud. If Kristen's literally telling you on the stage. I mean, you say this and that about Janet, just be honest. And she's like, oh, no, no. But you know, like ultimately I love her. Well, what was it? What are you saying? Flip flopper?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, to be fair, the all these people are terrible friends to each other. I mean, let's not forget this is an outgrowth of Vanderbump rules, the lazy Susan of awfulness where they all were duplicitous about each other and they all got into savage vicious fights and then they become friends again like the next season. True.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I'm calling them out, each individually as their turn comes up. Right now it's Jas's turn. Right now it's Jasmine's turn to be called a flip flop Take a stand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Flip flop commercials. Here comes one right now. Jasmine's like, it was just like a, it was just like a buildup of whack things, that's all. And Kristen's like, but you said, Jenna, stop acting like herself. She's like, yes. So Jason's like, no, don't say that. That's not true. And she goes, well. And I let a Lot of whack things. Brush under the whack rug. I mean, I had the wackest rug of all time, and I still was able to fit more whack things under it because I was brushing so hard with a very whack brush. I'd like to add.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Jasmine's like, I mean, I should have talked to you, but, like, I didn't talk to you because, like, you know, at the time I just felt like, what's the point? You know, Because I had a group chat. So Sandy's like, okay, well, who here thinks Janet is a Karen? And I swear to you, everyone in my house raised their hand. I mean, it was just me and Bueller, but still, that was. That was.

[Ben Mandelker]

How did they. No one raised their hand. I was shocked. And Chris is like, well, she said Karen energy. She didn't say she is a Karen because as we all know, her name is Janet. So you really can't call someone a Karen if they're not really named Karen. Right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Is that Janet's like, go ahead, raise your hands. I'm on the. I'm on hold with the police. The police right now. I'm on hold with the police.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like to call the manager of this reunion. Okay. I do not. Wait, like, the way I'm being treated. Yeah. So Jasmine says, I didn't call her a Karen. It was just. It was just the energy she was giving. And I think, like, it was a lot more of, like, just like exhausted of you. Like, the whole, like, Zach stuff and, like the Kristen and like, just hearing things and it just. Maybe you maybe, like, it would have, like, maybe come back to you and been like, hey, this is how I feel. And I didn't. And, like, I just. I don't know. I don't even know what I'm really saying. I think I'm just at this point taking random phrases and mashing them together into, like, a little monologue. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it's clear that you all care about each other. Clear to who? I'm not really sure, but it's on my cards.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Randy says when he wants to move on, he's like, let me put a bow on this. You guys are nowhere close to resolution. But I'm gonna force. I'm gonna sort of announce a resolution. You guys care about each other. Okay, I'm bored. Moving on, Janice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, yeah, I mean, I don't hate you guys. Hold on. Let me. Let me try to cry. Let me get some Jack's tears. Like, I don't hate you guys because like, you're the friends that would come over and like sweatpants and like play games and cook. Like you guys would watch me microwave corn tortillas with cheese and cream while we played Monopoly all the time, you know? And I really miss you guys. I really miss you saying, is this supposed to be a chip because of it soggy? And then me having to explain to.

[Ben Mandelker]

You what it really was. Yeah. And the relationship, it's just. It's not like how it used to be. It's just more like before it was like crack and now it's like whack and like, let's just keep that real. Like a hundred. Like, you know, like maybe like one day. I don't know. I don't. Jason's like, I would hope so. And I think we all feel that way. So, you know, and he's like, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Addiction. Okay. After 30 days stint in whatever we're calling it, probably a McDonald's drive thru, Jax left the mental health treatment facility with a Big Mac and a large Coke Zero and seemed intent on picking up right where he left off, holding a 99 cent super sized French fry. Okay, Mad Jackson night, before you returned home, some of your friends rebranded your bar Brits Bar. You were upset, right? Well, I mean, like, it's not England.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I mean, who wouldn't be upset? I mean, we're in America. I understand why they did it, but like taking my signs and throwing in the garbage was a little much, you know, I'm like, yeah, you know, it's a little much. Throwing a coffee table at your wife and barstools too, etc. And then throwing a picture of her and her dad out in the trash and it's like, ah, different situation. It's like, but that wasn't my party or your. Or your party. No, it was Brit's Bar and it was whenever Money and Jasmine went to talk to Schwartz and. And I was telling them everything you had just done. It wasn't Brits Bar. I meant to say Jack's like, but I wasn't there for that. No, you weren't there for any of that. Oh, God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Jax is like, yeah, I don't remember. I was. I wasn't there. I missed that day. Yeah, Jax, you were in rehab, dummy. So Jax is like, yeah, you know, like, it was just like, it was like really hurtful. It was just like, it was just really hurtful, you know? Poor Jax. Why are we hurting Jax?

[Ben Mandelker]

Andy's like, jax, you know, they were just trying to prop her Up. That's what cocaine is for, Andy. No, it's fine. I understand. I understand. It was all very positive, jx. It was very, very positive. And just understand.

[Ronnie Karam]

But it was so hurtful. It was very hurtful. Kristen's like, the bar never got to be about her, and she worked so hard, and she put money into it more than you. I put more. More money into it than you, that's for sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? Even when you were in rehab, I was keeping that place afloat. So Andy's like, zach, you're still here, right? Are you allowed into Jax's bar? Jax is, no. And Jack's like, it's really funny that Jax has such this animosity towards just me and can forgive everybody else. But, like, what I want to say is, I used to be the biggest Jack's apologist. I was there every single time when, like, she was broken down, Britney was broken down, and I had to pick her up when he would break down, and I would hold him while he cried. And for him to turn so hard on her and me just out of nowhere is, like, so rude.

[Ronnie Karam]

I need a painting in my home of Zach cradling Jax as he cries.

[Ben Mandelker]

Please, I need that visual.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jax is like, I mean, it's the stuff you say on social media, you know, like, what do you want me to do about it? What am I supposed to do? And then we see a screenshot of Zach's post. Rebel me. Thus, how's it possible you come out of rehab a worse person than when you went? And that was a good one. That was a good one, you guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Again, Jax is more upset about a stupid tweet then. Then he is about his own behavior, it seems like. So Zach is like, okay, yeah. Like, the things I say on social media. Excuse me, are literally not even remotely close to what I would say about you. Like, right now, to your face. If Andy ever asked me a question, which he doesn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Zach, Zach's like, I could have been worse like I am to your face. So that's like being nice on social media. I can't believe he won't talk to me. Jack's like, I don't care. You're nobody to me. You're nobody. It's like, well, actually, I miss our friendship. I just want you to be a better person. It's like, I don't really care what you want.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you. And you want to prove that you don't have this control issue, that you can make it better, then work on it with people that Are in our letter. That are. That are in our life. In her life. Okay. He's like, no, I agree. I agree. I agree. It's like, no, Jax hates Zach mainly. I do believe some of it is. Or a large part of it is because Zach is gay. I will say that I pick up so much. So much homophobic. Like, Though the dismissiveness to Zach, I think, is to me. I'm getting homophobic vibes. I really do. And not that Zach is like a saint over there, but Jax treats Zach differently than everyone else. So I am like Jax on a whole nother level. It's just amazing how many levels that we can say Jacks about.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Andy is like, well, Zach's also standing up. And I'm not even saying that's wrong. I mean, obviously, you know, I think I would agree with that. But Jax is all, you've got Zach standing up for Britney all the time, so that's enough. You know, Jackson's like, that guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but with other people who stand up for Britney, he. Jax pretend. Like, at least pretends to be like, no, no, I get it. I get it. No, she deserves everything in the world. No, no, I was bad. I was a bad, bad, bad husband. Like, you're right. You had to defend her because she was in a terrible place. He comes up, all this bullshit by the one, Zach. He's like, I don't care about you. You're no one to me. There's just kind of like this, like, maybe I'm projecting onto it, but I definitely get, like, high school bully, like, beaten down on the gay kid. So Andy is like, hey, is Frank Dramon allowed in your bar? And they're like, ha, ha. Jack's like, who? Zach's like, have you even seen any of the episodes? Did you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you know we talked about it on the show? We talked about on the show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

He doesn't even watch the show.

[Ben Mandelker]

He doesn't got that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we've all seen the show. Well, he had. He's the only person here who hadn't watched the show, so he doesn't know what we're talking about. He's like, oh. Oh, my burner account. Yeah. Is that what you mean? Yeah, that. And Andy's like, who's Frank Dramon?

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, Frank Drenn from the Naked Gun. He's like, okay, and who is Frank Drenn? And he's. And Jax is like, it's my burner account. And by the way, this drove me nuts. I was really glad that Seth Rogen called this out. Although I think we called it out, too. And especially, I'm sure all of America called it out now, because the Naked Gun is literally back in theaters. But it's Frank Drebin, you idiot. You didn't even get your burner name right.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love those dread. He's like, you never even see the Naked Gun. Come on, bro.

[Ben Mandelker]

Have you seen the Naked Gun Jacks? I hate that Naked Gun is one of my favorite movies of all time. And I hate that Jax is even putting his paws on it in. In a FINA account.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, let. Let some of these tweets legend. Jax is on the show. What man wouldn't feel that way about himself? He's a legend. That was hilarious. And then you DM'd me on accident from the account, so it was, like, proof that it was yours. I mean, you are so dumb.

[Ben Mandelker]

Janet's like, I mean, come on. Don't you know if you have a burner, like, you just look, right? And he's like, are you still commenting as Frank Drenn? It's like, nah, nah, I haven't used that account. I mean, but it's dreaming. It's dreamy. Knows Leslie Nielsen will make a gun. And he's like, oh, my God. Janet's like, don't butcher his burner name. So just shitting on him. Okay, Jax.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Janet makes a comment. Janet makes a comment. She's like, well, come on, Jax. You should know if it's your burner account. You just read. You don't comment. Mm.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, wait, no. Isn't a burner account the point that you comment with it because you can't comment on your real name?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's saying, if you don't want to get caught, you just read. So then we see a flashback of his ebay listings of selling Britney's Jenny Craig bags, which is so sad, and it's sadder than it seemed. And Jax is like, well, you know, I sell a bunch of stuff on ebay. You know, I sell a bunch of stuff. I mean, you can see for the bunion of my toe, like, I worked very hard at it in that picture, because you see the Jenny Craig bag and then his bunion next to it.

[Ben Mandelker]

The telltale bunion. It could have been Ashley Darby. So Andy is like, all right, Kristen. Jax decided to come to Benji's welcome home party even though he wasn't invited. Yeah, pull the doty, right? Everyone knows. All right. Show up places uninvited. Everyone knows this. So Andy's like, well, you had a conversation with Zach where you said it was your show. And we see that amazing scene where Jack says, it's my show. And. And Zach is like, not for the last 30 days. It wasn't Match.

[Ronnie Karam]

So he wasn't telling Lisa Vanderpump that Vanderpump Rules was your show in season eight, kind of the beginning of the end for you? He's like, yeah, probably. Whatever. So we see that. And then Andy's like, okay, raise your hand if Jax has referred to this show as his show. And they're all raising their hands, and it's like, yeah, we're just all lucky to be here, really.

[Ben Mandelker]

We are all. We are. We're just. We're just British lucky. Well, it's true. I mean, none of this would have happened if. If I didn't start this up. And. And he's like, is this Jack show everybody? And everyone's like, no, I'm. He. He was gone for 30 days, and nobody missed him. And Danny's like, well, you said you fired everyone from season one because you didn't like the edit, and then they just. They're just all laughing at Jax's face. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then, historically speaking, it's very difficult to surprise Kristen Doty. So how'd you do it, guys? I mean, when did you know, Luke, that Kristen was the one? And he's like, well, it was a road trip, and, like, we had 5,000 miles in the car with dogs, and it was, like, hellish. And, like, you know, we were great. You know, like, we agreed on the same books on tape from the Cracker Barrel that we just ended up, you know, leaving at seven elevens all over the country and ended up getting charged $75 each. God, really expensive for a book on tape. Did you know most cars don't come with tape recorders or tape players anymore? That was pretty disappointing. God really wanted to know that. Next, Danielle Steele had to say, all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right, and you had not watched Vanderbump Rules, right? It's like, no. I mean, for the podcast, we recap season one, and other than that, no. Yeah, they were already together that point. And thanks for the color commentary, Brittany. Kristen's like, yeah. He was like, I can't do this anymore. And Andy's like, yeah, I bet. Because we all saw you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I bet. I like that. Luke is a typical husband of a Bravo watcher. He's like, okay, yeah, sure, I'll watch Vanderpump Rules. And no, I will not watch any of this anymore. I'm done. Do you want to get a fucking divorce? Hello there. This is a two part recap, okay? This the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

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