#2977 RHOC S19E07 Part 1: See Ya Later, Alligator

Summary

Watch What Crappens: RHOC S19E07 Part 1 – See Ya Later, Alligator

Episode #2977 | August 22, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Podcast: Watch What Crappens

EPISODE OVERVIEW

Ben and Ronnie dig into the latest episode of Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC) Season 19, focusing on the group’s New Orleans trip, Tamra’s explosive exit, and the web of lies and shifting alliances surrounding the “Naked Wasted” rumor chaos. The guys revel in the unreliable narration by the Housewives, poking fun at their constant truth-bending and shifting allegiances, all while weaving in their signature humor and sharp observations.

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MAIN DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Rashomon in the OC: Everybody's Lying

• Opening analysis on how the episode feels like “Rashomon” (the classic film about multiple unreliable perspectives) with every Housewife spinning their own version of the truth.

  • Ben: "[This episode] was like Rashomon, but it was like Rahash Osimon. ...they're all lying. They're all covering up their own stories. They're all unreliable narrators. And I think that's actually a really fun, exciting space to be in." (07:55)
  • Ronnie: Frustrated at first, ends up having to "apologize" to Tamra for being right in the recent drama—even if she handled things terribly. (06:00–07:29)

• Tamra vs. Katie vs. Gretchen Cycle: Who said what to whom? The hosts recap the shifting stories about Gretchen's claims (or non-claims) of having been roofied at the infamous "Naked Wasted" party.

  • Tamra stirs the pot, Gretchen and Slade allegedly attempt to manage the narrative, and Katie flat-out lies before finally admitting pieces of the truth. (08:47–11:12)

• The meta-enjoyment: Ben finds the level of group dishonesty hilarious and “postmodern,” with each Housewife blissfully unaware they're on camera contradicting themselves. (12:49)

  • Notable quote (Ronnie): "Has Gretchen been off the show long enough that I forget that she's also a fucking liar?" (12:19)

2. Shifting Allegiances, Real Apologies, and “Loser on Loser Crime”

• Ronnie coins the term "loser on loser crime": getting too invested in moral righteousness among the Housewives is a losing game because they’re all messy.

  • Ronnie (quoting Courtney of Two Judgy Girls): “It’s loser on loser crime. Like, you can’t let yourself get upset because it's loser on loser crime.” (13:15)

• Apologies and Accountability:

  • Ronnie admits he owes Tamra an apology for doubting her about last week's rumor—though quickly pivots into classic Crappens shade for Tamra being “mostly an asshole.”
  • Multiple characters (especially Gina and Emily) briefly shine as “the non-dicks”…before the hosts remind us it’s all temporary; everyone’s a “dick” on RHOC. (15:15–15:25)

3. The Aftermath of Tamra’s Storm-Off

• Tamra dramatically storms out of the group’s dinner, setting off reactions and snark from the remaining Housewives.

  • Gina (mocking): "You're not going to sit at my table and come and slosh..." (16:27)
  • Ronnie (Tamra): "You'll never see my face again, bitches!" (13:54)

• The hosts highlight the repeated trope of Tamra’s explosive exits followed by her reappearance and social media fits.

  • Ronnie: "She put there. It's been a long run. Peace out." (14:16)
  • Instagram “mental health” posts get the Crappens treatment. (24:31–25:06)

4. Gators, Anxiety, and Comic Relief in the Bayou

• Swamp Tour Antics:

  • Shannon’s late-and-chaotic arrival on the gator boat provides classic Shannon content (e.g., eyelash glue in her butt). (29:22–32:19)
  • Gina and Emily milk their anxiety for screen time—Ronnie and Ben roast their melodrama.
    • Ronnie: “How many martinis do you need to process your DUI?” (35:16)
    • Ben (mocking Gina): "Oh my God, this is so hard for me to be on a flat bottom tourist boat around animals that can't reach me." (33:53)

• Swamp Creature Analogies:

  • Alligators become metaphors: "You all seem fine with Tamra, that’s the most horrifying creature on this channel." (49:08)

5. The Journalist, the Phone Tree, & “Proof”

• Gina boastfully claims to have called a “reputable journalist” to fact-check the rumors, but Ben and Ronnie mock the idea that any serious reporter is involved.

  • Ben: "There's no journalist in Gina's Rolodex who I'm gonna say is a reputable journalist. ...You're not reaching out to Diane Sawyer." (26:52)
  • They hilariously imagine the journalist is just another one of the cast. (27:07–27:25)

• Hot Potato Truth:

  • Everyone at the table tries to dodge responsibility when it’s time to fess up about who said what to whom.
  • Katie: total denial before partial admission:
    • Ronnie (Katie): “I never said that. I never did that. Okay?” (19:35–19:48)
    • Ben/Heather: "Okay, I did, but I only did it to one person." (19:48–19:53)

6. The Court of Housewives Logic

• Breaking Down the "Roofie" Accusation Wording:

  • Ben and Ronnie dissect whether Gretchen is really making an accusation ("roofied") or just implying it through carefully worded hospital/test talk—classic Housewives plausible deniability.
    • Ronnie: “[If you say] ‘I had them run a toxicology report and they found drugs’ — that’s accusing somebody of roofing.” (52:58)
    • Ben: “But it’s not quite the same… in the court of Housewives, you still can... wiggle out.” (52:45)

• Exposing Group Hypocrisy:

  • Gretchen points out Tamra’s pattern of betrayal and manipulation, but no one stands up to Tamra even as they all acknowledge her past.
  • Ben: “We've watched for season after season as Tamra has, like, gone after people like Shannon, etc., and… you don't hold her accountable in the same way.” (54:26)

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HIGHLIGHTED QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• Ronnie (on Gretchen’s outfit):
  “I’m trying to concentrate on what she’s saying, but I’m concentrating on what she’s physically saying with that outfit…what kind of Baby Jane ass store is selling this thing?” (11:26)

• Ben (summarizing the vibe):
  “The more defensive they get and the more they change their stories, the more they're making it sound like this is a big scandal.” (09:53)

• Ronnie (on Gina’s DUI storyline):
  “She talks like she’s just come back from Nam for a year. ...You had a fucking DUI with your dog in the car. Why do we have to feel sorry for you?” (35:16)

• Ben (on Gina’s anxiety about gators):
  “First of all, it’s an alligator, not a crocodile, Gina. And second of all, we should be so lucky if you got eaten by one today during this show.” (34:30)

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TIMESTAMPS FOR KEY SEGMENTS

• 06:00–07:29: Ronnie’s apology to Tamra & Rashomon commentary
• 12:19: Ronnie on Gretchen’s penchant for lying
• 13:15: “Loser on Loser Crime” explained
• 16:27: Tamra’s dramatic storm-off mocked
• 24:31–25:06: Tamra’s “mental health” Insta post roasted
• 29:22–32:19: Shannon’s eyelash glue meltdown on the bus to alligator tour
• 35:16: Ronnie’s takedown of Gina’s persistent DUI trauma narrative
• 49:08: Alligator/Tamra comparison—swamp metaphors
• 52:45–53:51: Breaking down “roofie” wording and Housewives logic
• 54:26: Hypocrisy in holding Tamra accountable called out
• 58:36: Note about this being Part 1 of the recap

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TONE AND STYLE

• Language: Relentlessly funny, sarcastic, and packed with pop culture references
• Tone: Both affectionate and brutally honest in their reviews—a “mock because we love” ethos throughout
• Approach: Deep but chaotic; the hosts ping between detailed episode breakdowns, sharp one-liners, and running jokes about the cast’s hypocrisy and delusion

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FINAL TAKEAWAY

RHOC S19E07 delivers classic Housewives messiness, centered on a swirling rumor and no one owning up—all expertly dissected and lampooned by Ben & Ronnie, who remind listeners why the show (and their recaps) are so much fun: Everyone’s lying, everyone’s ridiculous, and that’s exactly the point.

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End of Part One
(Recap continues in Part Two)

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Learn [e-mail] or contact your travel advisor. Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello, and welcome to Watch what Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap we just love to watch on Bravo. I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me today, it's the one and only Ronnie Karam in a matching green shirt. Hi, Ronnie. How are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi. We are having a very olive green shirt day.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we are. Mine looks darker, but only because I don't have a lot of light on it. And look at you throwing a pillow back there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Only one pillow on a chair. I mean, what the heck? Okay, do the intro. I'm gonna fix that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, you fix that. Um, Ryan is gonna go, go, go take care of his pillows back there. We are here. It's Orange County Day. We love Orange County Day. Um, so here's what you need to know about Watch what Happens and the Watch what Happens experience. So we have a patreon. Patreon.com watchforcrappens where you can actually do all sorts of fun things. Like you can listen to our bonus episodes. We do a bonus episode every single week. This week, we actually told stories of our youth and being young and in the business. And Ronnie's interactions with Robert Goulet and Sally Kellerman. And I talked about my interactions with Amy Sedaris and Diane Cannon. And there was some. I don't remember all my first story. Oh, what was my first story? Was it Diane Cannon?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know, but we've really stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

We just told old stories about being young and coming up in Hollywood or just in the business in general. So that was actually a really, really fun and lovely bonus episode. Also, crap is on demand. You can watch us not just listen. These videos are here on Patreon for a week before they go out to our YouTube. So that's the big. That's a surprisingly large pitch for Patreon. You'd think we'd never talk about it before. And don't forget that this Monday we have crappy hour. That's when we do a show on YouTube live. It's also simulcast Instagram, where we talk about Bravo headlines and things like that. We have a lot of fun with it. If you've never watched it, it's usually the two of us. Sometimes we have a guest. In fact, one of our more recent guests is a lady who has been quite the topic on Real Housewives of Orange County, Kiki Monique. Which is my way of saying, let's talk about some Orange county this episode. Ronnie, what did you think this, what did you think about this episode? This episode to me was like. It was like Rashomon, but it was like Rahash Osimon. It was like Ro Simon. It was Rho Simon. Because, like, the number of perspectives that start to come out by the end of it, you're like, what is the truth?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, we had already spoken before this a little bit because I started the day really upset. I mean, I came on to talk to Ben and we got on the phone and I was like, what the hell? I hate these kind of episodes where things just prove me wrong. You know, I'm a Virgo. I like to have my judgments correct. And last week, well, a couple things happened last week after the recap, because look, I remember saying in last week's recap, I don't understand Tamara's motivation. Why would she lie about this? But at the same. And I don't believe Katie, but at the same time, I don't believe Tamara either. But I hate not knowing what's going on. It makes me crazy. And then Tamara post it, because I wrote the description for last week in the episode notes, and I said something like, evil. Tamara's evil plan failed. And then Tamara commented on our. On our post on Instagram saying, what do you mean my evil plan failed? What the hell that supposed to mean? What do I have to gain from this information? Or whatever. And I didn't respond, but then, because of course I was referring to you trying to turn everybody against Katie and it blew up in your face is what I what. What I meant in the description. Then I went on to judge you girls to talk to Courtney, which you're going to go on this week as well. And we were talking about OC and we talked about it at length a really long time. And I've just. I hate being wrong on multiple episodes and not being able to figure out what's going on. And it pissed me off. And then I watched this one and you. It made me mad. But here's why I'm mad, because I actually have to kind of apologize like Tamara. I mean, you were right. So ultimately, I have to even apologize to Tamara. So I'm gonna do it. I'm just gonna suck it up. I was wrong. You were right. I still don't believe the way that you handled it was proper. And I still believe you're mostly an asshole on this show, but when you're right, you're right. And this time, you know what? You were right. So there. Okay. Back there.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. I, I, I actually loved it. You were frustrated by it, but I loved it. I loved that by the end of the episode, we discover that they're all lying. They're all covering up their own stories. They all are. They're all unreliable narrators. And I think that's actually a really fun, exciting space to be in. Normally you would say, if they're all lying, this is actually shitty, because then we don't know what's true. But I think that's what's actually so funny. Like, I think, as we discover, like, oh, actually, Gretchen may have said this, or she said something close to it, and then she's saying, no, I never said it. But then she does say it. And then, and then Katie is like, well, I didn't say it, but now I did say it, but then. But this is what I really said. And Jen's like, maybe I said it, maybe didn't. And now Katie seems like she's gonna turn on them. It's so first of all, they're all lying.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're, they're all like.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're all lying.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they're all lying. But I didn't see it coming. That Gret. Gretchen and Slade had, Had told everybody and then called to tell them to lie about it. You know, I mean, that was like an element lie about that, you know? Because what was confusing me last week was why would Gretchen. Okay, if they have this whole thing and Katie did go tell Kiki Monique this stuff, then why wouldn't Gretchen be furious at Katie for telling Gretchen Monique, you know, for telling Kiki Monique that was what was confusing. Like, if she did do it, and it seems like she probably did, then why isn't Gretchen mad if Gretchen said that? But then we find out this week the answ is because Gretchen and Slade thought that they had stopped it by telling Katie not to say anything.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, all three of them are dumb because they have all. They've all made this actually much more of a scandal than it actually is. Tamara ignited something. She knew she would ignite it because Gretchen should. If this is what happened. Gretchen should just be like, well, yeah, I told her that I was concerned that I had been drugged, and I went to the hospital and got some tests done. And I think that, like, Gretchen is.

[Heather Dubrow]

Like, flinching now because she's afraid she's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Going to get sued or something like that. But, like, it's so old and it's so. It's all hearsay and it's all so silly that, like, I don't know, and I don't think it's a big deal. And on top of that, the person who brought up on camera was Tamara. It's not Gretchen. So, like, I. I just. I feel like the more that they are defensive and they change their stories, the more they're making it sound like this is a big scandal that someone should be, like. Should be to blame for and that someone should be angry about.

[Heather Dubrow]

And honestly, it's not.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think that. I think that Gretchen had a right to.

[Heather Dubrow]

If Gretchen said that she had a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right to say, I. I thought that. That Tamara roofied me.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, because they took it even further. And she said Tamara did roof. She said she did get. She did test positive for drugs. She went to the hospital and they tested her and she had drugs in her system. And then she denies that she said that. No, Gretchen said it.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, Gretchen said that she went to the hospital, but she didn't. We saw her say that she went to the hospital. Right, but it was Katie who said.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, we see Gretchen lie. Because we see Gretchen say, well, we'll get to it in the recap. It's in the notes. But we see where Gretchen says, in the van, I did have to go to the hospital. And then, oh, no, you're right. We didn't see Gretchen say, they found drugs in my system. Well, I don't know. We'll have to get to it. By the way, this is too confusing. It's too much.

[Emily Simpson]

That's too much.

[Heather Dubrow]

But by the way, how easy it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was for you to, like, miss that detail is how these things get, like.

[Heather Dubrow]

Blown way out of proportion because it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

A human thing to do. Like, you hear, like, 95% of the sentence, and you fill in the last little gap there and then that also out of, you know, there's the.

[Ronnie Karam]

These. There's the added thing of you're trying to concentrate on what's happening, because it's like watching the end of a mystery where everything. You're finding out the truth and everyone's stories start being told. Right? So you're finding out the Truth. And you're trying to listen to what Gretchen is saying, but she's wearing the dumbest outfit I've ever seen in my life. And I'm trying to concentrate on what she's saying, but I'm concentrating on what she's physically saying with that outfit. That pink thing that she was wearing with the buckles and the Fox News hair. It was so crazy that it threw me off. And then I rewound it, and I tried to listen again, but I couldn't stop staring at the dress. And I started thinking, who sells this? Where do you even buy this? Like, this is horrible. Like, what kind of Baby Jane ass store is selling this thing in the first place? And then I start going into conspiracy theories about that, and it's like, somebody making her dress like this, and why is she dressing like this? What's wrong with her? And then I start going into a spiral of, like, how could I ever believe somebody that dressed like this? Like, has Gretchen been off the show long enough that I forget that she's also a fucking liar? You know?

[Ben Mandelker]

And also the biggest liar, too, because Tamara spent all last episodes saying that she doesn't drink anymore and she's sober, and you will never see me like this. And now, oh, by the way, I did have a Xanax, and I had some drinks. It's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

But to be fair, you're allowed to lie if you're an alcoholic. That's. That's kind of part of.

[Ben Mandelker]

But they're all.

[Ronnie Karam]

We have to forgive.

[Ben Mandelker]

They all shift their reality and their truths, and they lie all the time. And I actually think it's hilarious.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was very funny.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's. It's hilarious the way they do it and are always clutching their pearls like me. Well, I never said that.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

It's like it was on camera.

[Ben Mandelker]

You guys are such idiots. No, I thought it was great. I thought it was, like, a commentary on, like, postmodern storytelling or whatever. It just was so good.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it was very funny. And two judgy girls call it. Courtney said that they call it loser on Loser Crime. Like, you can't let yourself get upset because it's loser on loser crime. I think that's such a great term. And it's so fitting for this show because I was really worked up, and I'm pissed because the first episode of that came out already, and the next one doesn't come out, I think, until tomorrow. So it sucks. Or whenever. Maybe today, because we're recording this a little bit early. So whenever this thing comes out, I'M already wrong. Everyone knows I'm wrong as they're listening, if that makes any sense. So it's just sucks, you know, it just sucks for me, but it's also great for me as an audience member, because what an episode.

[Emily Simpson]

So let's get going.

[Ronnie Karam]

We just had Tamara run out of the restaurant screaming, you'll never see my face again, bitches. Is somebody gonna get me an Uber? Or I have to get my own Uber?

[Shannon Beador]

It's not normal. I am worried right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look how worried I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did you see on Instagram she put there. It's been a long run. Peace out. I'm Ow. She had a story about Gretchen, and when Gretchen didn't believe us, she got mad. Gretchen's like, I'm gonna believe my friend who hasn't hurt me. Okay? That's who I'm gonna believe.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Well, it was so clear that with, like, Kiki, Monique, like, you weren't the one who said it, but, like, at the table, she went back on that, and she was like, what if Gretchen did tell Katie this? Like, she drinks and she's, like, nasty. Like. Like, who can I. Like, she's like, who can I poke? Right?

[Heather Dubrow]

And Heather's like, something turned it.

[Shannon Beador]

I know. I saw it. I saw it all happen. And of course, by something turned it, I mean turned Wendy Malik's face from normal to old and wretched. Is that what we're talking about? No.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, I know she's going to therapy and, like, she's working on shit, but, like, you can't be a dick. You can't be a dick. And Emily's like, oh, you can.

[Emily Simpson]

You can be a dick, but you gotta apologize for being a dick. That's how I do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

But you don't apologize. And you can't be a dick, by the way. You're not. You're not, like, allowed to be a dick, but people are like, if you were allowed to be a dick, you wouldn't have to apologize for it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. Well, also, I love that Gina and Emily are looking like the non dicks in this episode. You're both dicks, too, Gina. I know you had one good episode, and I'll give you credit for that. But you, ma', am, are also a dick. So let's not forget about that, you know? And that's another thing you can never forget on these shows. You're all dicks. Okay? And I can never let myself forget again.

[Ben Mandelker]

You two are the ones snickering in the corner at Heather's birthday party about Gretchen's face. So don't forget. So now it's the morning in New Orleans. People are waking up. Jen wakes up with the voodoo doll in her bed and she's like, well.

[Heather Dubrow]

I swear I didn't stick a pin in the voodoo Jennifer to get Tamara out of here, but it's more peaceful here.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Like, going home was the smartest thing she's ever done.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you, Tamara. I just want to thank you. I just want to thank you for going home and to my little doll Jennifer in bed with me. How did you get a cut fitness shirt? How did you get a cut fitness shirt? And little pieces of Tamara's weave. That's crazy. That's crazy. Thank you. You look great.

[Ben Mandelker]

The little doll is like, oh my God, I woke up next to my former fatty photo.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then it's a fatty photo fanny photo. So she calls Ryan and she's like, oh my God, Ryan, have you been on social? We went to dinner and she was biting on everyone and oh my God. And then Gina said, you're not going to sit at my table and come and slosh. And then she left. And then Gina tried to take the table home because she has kids. It was very, very dramatic.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so then Gretchen calls Slade, who now has a mustache, and she's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, listen, I know as someone who's also got an awkward mustache at the moment because of a middle aged crisis, listen, I don't know that I'm pulling it off or not. I'm not going to be my own judge of jury. Some people pull it off, some people don't. Slade, you look like Ned Flanders. You are totally Flandersing it up. You can't do this to yourself, Slade. The one thing you have going for you is that you're handsome. Get rid of the the Flanders stash. No offense, Ned Flanders, because you're hot in your own way.

[Ben Mandelker]

He can do a mustache, but not that mustache. That was a Flanders mustache because he already has Ned Flanders hair and he honestly has that Flanders bone structure. So, like doodly neighbor. The worst Ned Flanders of all time. It's Slade smiley. Well, I mean, that Flanders slate smiley, it sort of matches.

[Ronnie Karam]

Name wise, for sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Gretchen's like, what in the serious.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Hell monkey with this stash, Slade?

[Heather Dubrow]

I mean, I'm freaking exhausted, dude.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Tamara keeps drops this bombshell that Katie.

[Heather Dubrow]

Tried to sell a story.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

And I feel like she was like trying to start a fight with me and Katie. And like, then she says, I'm done. I'm like leaving. I'm quitting the show. Like, I don't even know if she's here.

[Ronnie Karam]

I like when Gretchen tries to be smart and put stuff together. She's like. I felt like she was like, trying to maybe start a fight with me and Katie. You think Gretchen, like, ding, ding, ding. You're on it. I was really on it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Slade's like, yeah, her lies and manipulations are catching up with her. So I'm really loving this. Keeping Slade limited to a single FaceTime per episode. They're doing a really strong job of just keeping the focus on Gretchen and not Slade because Slade was always the one who dragged her down. And now that we have just really a focus on Gretchen, I'm actually a little surprised that she's not a full fledged housewife because she's really very central to this season. But I'm also glad because if she were, then we'd have a lot more Slade and it would be.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought she was a full time housewife. She's a friend of.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she doesn't have a. She doesn't have an opening card or anything. She's a friend of.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I thought she was a full timer. The Slade thing is funny to me because they're very tricky with keeping Slade off camera a lot, not letting him get in the mix, but then finding out in this episode how in the mix he really is. And that makes so much sense, you know, that he's really back there pulling all the strings because it's very slayed. What happens. So then we go to Katie talking to Matt and she's. She's telling us, I didn't tell Kiki, Monique, period. I didn't do it. Katie, you're such a fucking liar.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Can't even.

[Ronnie Karam]

Both Katie, Katie in the same episode that she's found out lies another 15 times.

[Ben Mandelker]

She also, I mean, this is Katie's thing.

[Heather Dubrow]

She's like, I never said that. I never did that. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

I did that and I'm really sorry.

[Heather Dubrow]

I really am sorry, but I won't do it again.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I really didn't do that. I really didn't do this other thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, I did, but I only did.

[Heather Dubrow]

It to one person.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Only one.

[Heather Dubrow]

I only told Matt. And I'm sorry. I genuinely am sorry about that.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we get a pretty good look into this marriage because she goes, we're going to see gators today, Matt, and one of these bitches is going to push me in. I just know it. And he's like, you push them first. I was like, okay, well, now we see how you two are Playing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So now in Shannon's room, Emily comes over and Shannon's, like, in disarray as usual.

[Emily Simpson]

Emily's like, you look stunning, princess.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, well, did Tamra leave? Let's have a flashback to that moment.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we go to last night in the car where Shannon's reading a text from Tamara that says, I'm leaving.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

At 4am Come out with cameras.

[Heather Dubrow]

No.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

You know what? No, no. I am not. I am not us. I am not the Ride or Die. I am no longer Tamara judges Ride or Die. No, no, hold on one second. We do have to pull over at.

[Heather Dubrow]

This door and get her a roast turkey because she didn't get to eat. Okay. Bring that for her.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not gonna do just what she wants at the snap of her fingers at 4 in the morning. I'm just not. But I was on the bar. I was on the bar. I was. I was standing on the bar texting Earl the Pearl about hurricanes. I mean, better late than never.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Unfortunately, was the cocktail. And I showed him a picture, and he said, but what about the real hurricane? I said, this is a real hurricane.

[Heather Dubrow]

What?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

My drink doesn't count anymore. Really, Earl?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, it just reminds me of Bali when. When she said, you'll never see me again. And we saw her right after.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Who?

[Ronnie Karam]

Lips.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see the flashback, which is so funny.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

You never see me again.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it's like all echoey. And she runs. Runs out of the resort.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Emily's like, it's time to go.

[Emily Simpson]

We gotta go see gators. Are you manifesting? Can you manifest a hairbrush?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, because Shannon sees the time as 11. 11.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

11, 11. Manifest. I'm going to manifest.

[Heather Dubrow]

Maybe just a Snickers bar. Just a little bit hungry right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So now everyone's getting in the car to go gator gator times. And Shannon's not ready yet. She's like looking for lashes and Emily.

[Emily Simpson]

Is like, did you guys see Tamra's post from the airport talking about mental health?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

You know what, if you're a person who is working on mental health, you don't do it on Instagram.

[Ben Mandelker]

You also don't join the Real Housewives of Orange County.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, and I think you do do it on Instagram. I see everybody doing it on Instagram there. Guys, I'm hurting today. Let's talk about it on it. That post was so Tamara. It's just like a picture of her giving a side face in the airport saying, hashtag, mental health is important. Everybody's bullying me. Stop the bullying. Hashtag Trevor project. It gets hug. It gets better. Bitch gets better.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Mental health is hard.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, yeah. Well, only old fits have ladies on Instagram. She's having an old lady fit by doing it on Instagram. That's what old ladies do.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think they really have the fits on Real Housewives. So then. Then another car.

[Heather Dubrow]

Gretchen is like, she expects us to be all accountable.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Katie's like, yeah, but, like, then she starts, and if you do it.

[Heather Dubrow]

Back to her, she runs.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which is true, which is that Tamara. Tamara pokes and pokes and pokes, and the moment there's any sort of pushback, she has a meltdown and leaves.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I can't believe how selfish it is for her to leave. I mean, I've been taking up for her. I've been standing up for her. When people say things, I say things back to them. How could she do this to me?

[Shannon Beador]

You know, as a big sister to her in the rich Sister, poor sister program, I feel betrayed that my mentorship is. Is being flung back in my face. As I was telling my friends, the Gerlados who have the winery, this poor person, I've. I've put so much effort into her.

[Heather Dubrow]

I've.

[Shannon Beador]

I've bought her things like forks and knives and spoons and Entenman's donuts. And this is how she repays me.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's talking about Gina. Gina's like, wait a minute. Oh, why are we talking about my two year ago storyline?

[Shannon Beador]

I apologize.

[Ronnie Karam]

But meanwhile, Katie is lying about this whole thing because I called the journalist, and Gina tells us, yeah, she called this reputable journalist. She just looked up reputable journalist and found somebody, and they verified what Tamra is saying.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's no. There's no journalist in Gina's Rolodex who I'm gonna say is a reputable journalist. I'm just gonna say that right now. Okay? You are not. You were not reaching out to Diane Sawyer. You're not reaching out to, like, the ghost of Mike Wallace. You're not doing any of these.

[Heather Dubrow]

You're just reaching out to another one of us.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just want to know who this reputable journalist is. I have to know who it is. It's like the owner of, like, Silent Woman or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know it's probably. It's just like, some. I don't know, like, someone who has, like, a freelancer for, like, the Orange County Register or something like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know which actually would be reputable, but still, I just don't believe that Gina has access to reputable journalists.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a hard pill.

[Ben Mandelker]

All the other gossip bloggers and podcasters. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Shannon calls, and she's like, oh, my God, you got. Did you leave me? Why did you. Why would you leave me? I was getting ready to go. I couldn't find my eyelash, and now I'm supposed to figure out how to copy you. I don't know how to. What am I supposed to do? Get on the box. There's no bossy. I'm having a nervous breakdown over here.

[Ben Mandelker]

It says unexplained Shannon sobbing on the phone scene, where they just like, okay, whatever, bye. And, like, we don't know why Shannon's sobbing. We don't know what's going on with her. We just know she's crying on the phone. And they're like, okay, she Standard. It's like 11am Time for her breakdown.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're just used to Shannon having a breakdown. I think she's crying because Emily just went up to get her and said, okay, meet us down stairs, and then left. Just left Shannon. Because she took forever. Shannon's still expecting everyone to wait around, and they've decided, no, we're not doing that anymore.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I told her to be ready at noon.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, we're messing with crocodiles. I can only do one crisis at a time. All right, you guys like, Tam, we finally got rid of Tamara, and now we're gonna have to stare at her Animal Kingdom version all day.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they arrive at Airport Adventures. Airboat, which is like, sorry, Airboat.

[Ronnie Karam]

Get it right, Ben. Okay, we're trying to work in a tie in with Airboat Adventures. Please.

[Ben Mandelker]

Airboat Adventures. We are dressed like crocodiles. Actually, we're dressed like alligators. Today we're hoping to get a free tour with Airboat Adventures. Next time, we go to New Orleans. Just putting it out there. So this guy Jordan is. He's like. He's the main guy. And they're all piling into their boat. He's one of those flat boats with the big, big, giant, like, fan on the back. And then Shannon's, like, in the car.

[Heather Dubrow]

And she's like, okay, I just.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Okay, driver, could you pull over? I just. I need to do my lashes. Just please pull over. Oh, God. Where's the glue? I can't find the glue.

[Ronnie Karam]

David.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

David, where's the glue?

[Heather Dubrow]

Is it.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, my God. My eyelash glue is in my butt. I totally remember now. I sat on my eyelash glue. Oh, God. Is there anyone who can pull it out?

[Ronnie Karam]

It is funny that they actually pull over to the side of the road for her to do her eyelashes. Oh, God. I can't find the glue now. Why can't I find the glue? Somebody call the girls. So back at the gator place, there's, like, a statue of a gator, and Emily's asking the important questions, like, is.

[Emily Simpson]

This an actual size of an alligator? That's crazy. Do they eat burritos?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Because I have one in my purse.

[Emily Simpson]

Alligator. I'm the funny one on the show. Is this the original. Is this the original alligator leg, or does this alligator have a new whip? There's a callback.

[Ronnie Karam]

You guys. In Bali, I realized I was living in fear, and now I don't want to do that. Like, I can't think of anything scarier than murky water with alligators. So today I'm gonna see if I can break through my fear.

[Ben Mandelker]

Does she. Does she know how boats and alligators work? Does she know the alligator is not gonna crawl into the boat and is not gonna eat up the boat? Like, does she. Is she aware about how this process is gonna go? Because she is really milking this fear moment a little bit too much, if you ask me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I've. I feel like the scariest thing about going to see alligators is, like, looking into an animal that you could turn into with, like, a week without moisturizer, if you really think about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, like, lubiderm. Those lubidm commercials always had that alligator slinking around. Yeah, I. It was so funny because watching this whole sequence with the alligators, it was like, the first time I was like, oh, look, that alligator's kind of cute. And I realized, oh, that's because I'm watching the Real Housewives of Orange county, and the alternate is just a look over it, like, Heather debrow. I'm like, honestly, Heather to bro and the rest of these ladies make the alligators look cute just because they're just so scary. Not that they're ugly. They're beautiful. They're scary, though. And make that like, oh, look at that cute, cuddly alligator. Just wants to swim around all day and enjoy itself.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So we get on the boat, and Shanna's still not there.

[Emily Simpson]

And Emily's like, my pet peeve is people being late. We're leaving. Let's leave Shannon, and let's leave her.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Shannon Arrives in some very high heels for some reason for an alligator boat, and we just get a uts. I was like, hi. Hi. Sorry, sorry, sorry, girls. Sorry, sorry. Alligators. Sorry. Person on a boat. Are you single? Listen, I've always wanted a man with a giant fan in the back of his car, so this actually could work. Are my eyelashes correct? Oh, hold on. My butt wants to wink at you. It's still there. I couldn't get it off. It was super glue. It was super. The driver gave me lash super glue, so these aren't coming out for a while.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Wait a second. Is that. Is that John Jansen's son over there? Oh, hi. Hi. Hi. Oh, you know what? It was just a rock sticking out of the swamp.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, alligator. Hey. I'm a boat person, too.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Alligator. I love your shirts. In fact, I gave John Jansen several of your shirts.

[Heather Dubrow]

This is.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Is this a Lacoste factory?

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, okay, My bad.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gina's really mad, so Shanna's like, oh.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Wait, we can't leave.

[Ronnie Karam]

What if I need my coat? What if it suddenly gets freezing cold in the middle of alligator village? Please, somebody get my coat. Okay, thank you. So everybody's.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

And then what if it gets freezing cold in the middle of a sunny bayou in the American South?

[Ronnie Karam]

What if it starts snowing? This alligator swamp? Does anybody have sunscreen? Does anybody have sun?

[Ben Mandelker]

Scream.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, should we sing some Christmas carols? It feels like a winter wonderland here in the bayou.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can see Sarah Palin's backyard, which is crazy. Gina, are you. Are you. Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you. Are you mad? Are you mad, Gina? Gina's like, this is something that genuinely creates anxiety for me. I have a anxiety. That's my story line. I couldn't get money. So anxiety. And I'm really stressed out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gina, on the heels of announcing that she was no longer going to live with fear, is now turning this scene into somehow an expression of her anxiety.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, my God. This is so hard for me to be on a flat bottom tourist boat around animals that can't reach me. Okay, this is hard.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I'm sorry. It's because of. That's because of the water. Well, it's not you, it's me. Oh. Oh, yeah, it must be. You're afraid of water. I get it. And, well, I do still feel badly. I was late, just. No, you should feel bad because you were late, you know, and you're always late. And I could get eaten by a crocodile today. And people having fights and being late, and it's just like, too many things. And, like, so many things, I hate when people fight, which is why I called the reporter. That's why I called the report. I just hate conflict.

[Ben Mandelker]

First of all, it's an alligator, not a crocodile, Gina. And second of all, we should be so lucky if you got eaten by one today during this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

So the first person to ever get spit back out.

[Heather Dubrow]

I know. That's the thing.

[Emily Simpson]

You're gonna need some more scalp treatments, honey.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like a bitchy alligator.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, I'm not eating that.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, I feel bad, so.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, well, I'm sorry. I had an anxiety attack. So if you want to play the anxiety game, well, let's double or nothing, bitch, because I had an actual anxiety attack that was based off of real things. I'm going to link mine to a dui. So enjoy your alligator anxiety. Mine is related to DUI and by. By extension, John Jansen.

[Ronnie Karam]

I couldn't even breathe. Am I breathing right now? Can somebody hold glass under my nose? Am I breathing? Have I died? And then she tells us, oh, ever since my dui, I've been having anxiety attacks. I just. I haven't had time to process it. How much time do you fucking need? How many martinis do you need to process your dui? You got a dui? You could have kill somebody. You had a house. You had a. You had a fucking DUI with your dog in the car. Why do we have to feel sorry for you for having a dui? That is the craziest shit I've ever heard. She talks like she's just come back from Nam for a year. She's like, well, after everything I've gone through, you did it to yourself.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I just. I haven't had time to. To process it, even though I spent.

[Heather Dubrow]

All last year processing it on tv.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they're like, okay, fine. So they. They start speeding through the bayou, looking at gators, and of course, Heather's like.

[Shannon Beador]

I don't like it. I do not like this at all. I don't like this too fast. I don't want to be on water in the first place. And now we're gliding by a shipwreck.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, that is so mean. About to say that about Gina. That's really not. Just, like, try to get along with her.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I like that they show an actual boat that's just capsized for no reason. We never find out what it is. It's not like a pirate set piece. I thought they were going to cut to, like, set piece of a Pirate ship. But no, it's just someone's boat that's tipped over.

[Tamra Judge]

It's like, this doesn't bode well. This does not bode. Do you understand?

[Ronnie Karam]

So they see something flip in the water, and then we see an alligator. And Gina's like, oh, my God. I don't like that at all. I'm trying to be brave, but, like, I'm feeling anxiety right now. Oh, my God. Even that alligator is mad that Shannon's the.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like a small, cute alligator basking in the sun on the side. It's like. And they're all like, oh, my God.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's like a baby.

[Ben Mandelker]

It says, a tiny, cute alligator, and.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

She'S like, oh, my God. No, no, my God. This is, like, really hard. From, like, my post battling anxiety. Like, I can't do this anymore. I called a very reputable journalist, and he said the alligators were coming to kill us all.

[Ronnie Karam]

So when starts. A little baby starts coming at them, and they're like, oh, my God. 19 is like, oh, my God, where's the mom and the Dan? Hey, how many of you share a room.

[Heather Dubrow]

Again?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Katie goes, it looks vacant and small. I'm like, that's sort of what I say about Gretchen, right?

[Heather Dubrow]

She's like, I want to see a real one.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then. Then there's one in the water. And then she's like, oh, my God, where's the mom?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

And the dad is the mom, like, really crazy Crazy and, like, screwing everyone up with, like, divorce papers and stuff?

[Ben Mandelker]

And the guy's like, well, actually, with alligators, every male is a deadbeat dad.

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, well.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, a little John Jansen in the bayou today, huh?

[Emily Simpson]

Now Tamara can just refer to Slade as an alligator. She doesn't have to say deadbeat anymore. Funny one. Queen of snow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, the mother will protect the nest. You know, that's how moms are.

[Tamra Judge]

And Heather's like, that resonates. That resonates. I will protect my nest as well. Hey, alligator, you should write an autobiography. We'll have a party for it at Nobu. It's gonna be amazing.

[Shannon Beador]

Is that alligators nests within view of Drake? Alligators nests. Just wondering.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Gina's like, wow, like, the more you just, like, sit here with alligators, like, the more comfortable you are with them. Like, yeah, you all seem fine with Tamara. I mean, my God, that's like the most horrifying creature on this channel. And everyone's just fine with Tamara. Now, you know, even when Tamara comes in screaming and yelling, you just get used to It.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but also, you're not, like, swimming in the murky waters with these alligators. You're on a flat boat and perfectly safe, so you don't get any sort of, like, medal of honor for just, like. Like, going on a very standard tourist experience.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So back at the hotel, Emily calls Shane while she's in bed with Gina. And Shane's like, what?

[Emily Simpson]

She's like, oh, you don't look very excited to see me. I'm busy. I'm busy over here. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, yeah, thanks for calling. What are you busier than me? I've got kids. I've got family. I've got workers here.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, he really misses me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And she talks about asking questions about Luke, just talking about, like, his arfid and, like, you know, the link to autism. And she feels really guilty being on this trip. And Shane's like, well, I have dogs and workers and kids. It's a lot going on here and.

[Emily Simpson]

Lots of humor, too. God, America. Isn't he just so funny?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Sick. Love you say about Shane.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he just hangs up on her.

[Tamra Judge]

So now let's go to Bourbon House Seafood.

[Ronnie Karam]

Emily's wearing these heels that looks like she's been captured by pirates and is about to be thrown overboard. I've never seen heels with, like, manacles. Like, it looked like she was chained to something. They were huge, thick manacles on the ankles.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did not see them.

[Ronnie Karam]

You do. You know, Orange. Orange county fashion is like Gina being around alligators, where you just get used to it and you stop noticing it as much.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, it's totally normal.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, Emily is doing definitely going for some looks this season. There's that one confessional look where I was like, oh, well, this is. This is a choice, Emily, you know, what is it?

[Ronnie Karam]

The one with her hair in the top ponytail or something? She needs to not do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

What.

[Ronnie Karam]

What is that look? I think Emily's a beautiful.

[Ben Mandelker]

She looks.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's a beautiful woman. I really do think that. But her, she looks like a shrunken head or something with that in that look.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know what it is. It's not a hit. It's not a hit. So they go.

[Shannon Beador]

And Heather is like, ooh, fried oysters. That's what New Orleans is known for, Right? I love it. They call these. What I love about this is people say, I live in my own world around rich people, but what a rich person. Would someone like that ever come to New Orleans and order a poor boy sandwich? I don't Think so.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'll have one of the poor boys, please.

[Shannon Beador]

Now, do these sandwiches. Can they be hired as servants? Can the poor boys drive cars, Ma'?

[Heather Dubrow]

Am?

[Tamra Judge]

We call these Alfredo sandwiches at home. Just stuff Alfredo full of shrimp and call it a staff meal, okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

And Emily's like, wow, really lovely.

[Emily Simpson]

Really lovely. Isn't it, everybody? Like Heather said. Oh, it's so lovely. I'm so fancy. I ordered fried oysters. I'm gonna put a fried oyster in my purse.

[Tamra Judge]

She's like, stop making fun of me. Sometimes I feel like you say things to me that if I said to you, it wouldn't be okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Emily.

[Emily Simpson]

She's like, I can take a joke.

[Tamra Judge]

Can we please order Emily Some size 12 jeans?

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, dare you.

[Ronnie Karam]

How dare you?

[Emily Simpson]

No, I can take a joke. I can take a joke.

[Shannon Beador]

Okay, good. Cause your hair looks like Snuffleupagus today.

[Emily Simpson]

Snuffleupagus. How dare you? How dare you?

[Ronnie Karam]

And Gina's, like, choking on something and making a big scene, and Heather's like, are you joking?

[Tamra Judge]

Your perio solstice isn't working. What's happening?

[Ronnie Karam]

What is peristalsis, by the way?

[Tamra Judge]

Peristalsis.

[Shannon Beador]

I don't know what peristalsis is, but in 1997, I did film a television pilot called Emergency Doc, and it was emergency comma doc, and it was me with Patrick Dempsey smiling at each other. And I did have a very funny line where I said, your peristalsis isn't working because otherwise you'd be making out with me. Unfortunately, CBS did not pick it up to order.

[Tamra Judge]

Actually, let me confirm. Peristalsis is a series of wave, like, muscle contractions that move food through the digestive tract and other tubular organs, like the esophagus and the uterus.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you readers you readers?

[Tamra Judge]

It's an involuntary process that's crucial for digestion. See Sutton Strack on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which I'm still not on.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I'm very upset about.

[Ben Mandelker]

What's so funny is that Heather's having this, like, this sort of stern moment with Emily. And I bet in her mind, she's.

[Shannon Beador]

Thinking, this is great. This will be the centerpiece of the episode.

[Ben Mandelker]

But it's just, like, treated as this, like, random backdrop to, like, Gina, like, hacking up along, like, she's, like, choking on an oyster. And you just hear, like, Gina's almost being a fool, but then you just. You just hear Heather scolding Emily, and she's like, it's just like how Shannon was just sobbing on the phone and no one's like, oh, that's just what Shannon does. It's like Heather scolding Emily.

[Tamra Judge]

How dare you? It's very offensive when you are mean to me. I could do mean things to you. For examp. You ask so many questions. For example, I have a question. I have a question. That's you, Emily. That's my imitation of you. How about dem apples? How does that make you feel?

[Ronnie Karam]

Emily's like, okay, Heather, I'm sorry.

[Tamra Judge]

Thank you. That is all I needed. Thank you.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, God.

[Tamra Judge]

All in a Day's Work. That's a top rated episode right there.

[Shannon Beador]

Which reminds me of the time I was in a pilot with Drew Carey called All in a Day. Unfortunately, I was recast by Nancy Travis.

[Tamra Judge]

It was literally all in one day's work. So that's not one of my proudest moments. Where's she? Where's Emily Travis? Where's Nancy Travis now? Nowhere. Okay, well, hey, can I have some milk just to see if Nancy Travis's picture is on the back? Great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you.

[Shannon Beador]

Hey, congratulations, Nancy Travis. No one knew for a long time if your name was Travis, Nancy, or Nancy Travis. Firsty, firsty.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Set in Toronto's wealthy cottage country, AKA the Hamptons of Canada, Rich Girl Summer follows the story of Valerie, a down on her luck event planner posing as a socialite's long lost daughter, while piecing together the secrets surrounding a mysterious family.

[Heather Dubrow]

And falling deeper and deeper in love.

[Ben Mandelker]

With the impossibly hard to read and infuriatingly handsome family assistant, Nico.

[Ronnie Karam]

Caught between pretending to belong and unexpectedly finding where she truly fits in, Valerie learns her summer is about to get far more complicated than she ever planned. She's in over her head and head over heels.

[Ben Mandelker]

Fake heiress, real secrets.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Heather Dubrow]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Listening to Emily fight with Heather Debro?

[Ronnie Karam]

What have I died?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Like, I can't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. So they go to the table. They go to the table and they start talking about Tamara. Like, where is she? Has anybody talked to her? And Gina's like, no, but she. That when she left, she brought up a rumor that was really horrible. And, like, I was swinging your way, Katie. But, like, I don't know what to do now, but in my heart, like, I gotta know. So I called the journalist. You just see Katie's face like, oh, God. Oh, God, I'm already caught. Can I just have one oyster?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah. Last night I said, what is happening? And he said that Kiki and Katie went to lunch. And seven minutes into lunch, Katie said, like, on Naked Wasted that, like, Gretchen suspected that, like, she had been, like, woofied and, like, she went to the hospital.

[Heather Dubrow]

And Kitty goes, that didn't happen, though. It was happy hour, not lunch. This whole story just needs to be dismissed.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a very credible journalist, Katie. Okay? Like, very, very, very incredible. Like, this journalist served in Iraq.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Yeah. Very, very good. It was. It was Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein level. I mean, we really got there.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that Gina would know that. Gretchen's like, but that credible journalist, if they're incredible, quoted it, unquoted it, then why did they call me? Like, nobody called me about it. And Gina's like, well, no, they didn't call you because they're not going to print it because they know it's only. They know what's on the. So they're not going to print it. If it's a lie, then why are we talking about it? Well, if you don't care, then, like, if she sat at lunch and said that about you all, then, like, what do I care? Gret was like, I need proof. I need proof. And this is the truth.

[Shannon Beador]

And Heather's like, well, you have Kiki's number. Why don't you use it?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Shannon goes, well, text her.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Text her and walk to another room. Walk to another room and call her.

[Heather Dubrow]

And if you have to cry to her, you can do that, too.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I've done that many times.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Jen is like, yeah, you need.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

To go give her a heads up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I don't know if I can actually call her. I mean, I do have her phone number, but, you know, it's. I mean, it's just time differences. There's that, you know, like, I don't know. How will she know it's me?

[Heather Dubrow]

I'm afraid, you know, I'm.

[Shannon Beador]

I'm Verizon.

[Heather Dubrow]

She's at.

[Ben Mandelker]

And t. I'm not sure you can really.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's very difficult. I'm out of minutes. I'm out of minutes. Is there a WI fi in here? If only there was WI Fi in here, I could call her.

[Heather Dubrow]

I'm just not getting any reception.

[Ben Mandelker]

Funny, my phone just doesn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, my phone doesn't work. Whoops, my phone died. Sorry, everybody. Well, here's a battery. Oh, my phone fell in water. Well, there.

[Tamra Judge]

It's waterproof.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, my phone has been stepped on by me.

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh. Unfortunately, my phone was trampled by a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mardi Gras parade passing by in the streets.

[Ronnie Karam]

If I were Katie, I would be calling her, and I would be saying, kiki. Monique, why did you say this? I just don't know why my friend wouldn't clear this up with my other friends. This is very important. What's going on with my friend.

[Ben Mandelker]

And honestly, at this point, like, they should be saying, let's remember the whole reason why this came up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Up.

[Ben Mandelker]

This entire thing came up because Tamara was trying to turn Katie and Gretchen against each other. It was to serve a maniacal, evil plan to just ruin friendships. That's what this was for. And it was to get revenge on Katie for perceived slights that camera feels. And so, like, whether Katie did say it or didn't say it, the fact that they are giving it so much credence and getting so mad about it is actually just supporting Tamara. And I think that's why Gretchen just doesn't want to even touch it. She's like, I'm not going to fall into Tamara's plan of having you guys turn against me. Even if she did say this, I'm just not going to let on that I. That I said it or care. Whatever. And then Gina's. Gina's like, well, I'm sorry. Katie's like, do you. Like Gina says, do you need blood?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Like, think to yourself, do you ever tell a story? Do you ever tell a story?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Katie's like, well, you.

[Heather Dubrow]

You told us that. You know, that you told us that story at Mastros.

[Ben Mandelker]

She said that to Gretchen because Gretchen apparently sat them all down. And Katie tells us that Jen Ryan, Gretchen Slade, Matt and her all went to Mashrose. And Gretchen.

[Ronnie Karam]

God, so much goes down at Mastros on these shows.

[Ben Mandelker]

So much goes down Javier's Mastros. Anything that's in that, like, Costa Mesa Mall, it's gonna. It's gonna happen. Or is the outline spectrum?

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jen's like, yeah, she said she was really sick from drinking. That's what I remember her saying. I mean, was that conveyed to be more. Was it more than that? And Jen's like, listen, she never said she was roofied. I was sitting right there. And we all know that. I remember things. We all know that. He's like, okay, audience, I'm gonna use Heather's line.

[Tamra Judge]

Let me be clear. Okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

Gretchen said she felt sick, she went to the hospital. They did a toxicology report, and they found drugs in her system.

[Ben Mandelker]

There.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's it. I said it. Okay, but you're kind of outing yourself because that's basically saying she got roofied. So then who did tell Katie, Kiki, Monique that told this other guy? It was you. So why are you still lying about it?

[Ben Mandelker]

But it's not quite the same as saying you got roofied because it still offers some wiggle room. Like, there was drugs she had. Maybe it was medication. Maybe it was something else. Like she drank. She drank, and maybe there was a reaction. Who knows?

[Ronnie Karam]

If you tell a group of people, that night at Naked Wasted, I went to this thing. They plied me with drinks. I got so sick, I had to go to the hospital. I had them run a toxicology report, and they did, in fact, find drugs in my system. That's accusing somebody of roofing. To me, that's pretty. That's a pretty clear cut case.

[Ben Mandelker]

Very close. But I think that in the court of housewives, you still can. You still have wiggle room out of that. In fact, they all are using this. They're all like. Like, Roofie was probably not ever said. And so that's where it's like, well.

[Heather Dubrow]

She never said roofied.

[Ben Mandelker]

And that's why Katie's like, I never said roofied. What it is was that there was drugs in the system, and the implication is roofie. But if you drill Down. It actually could not mean that at all. But letting it hang there, which is a classic house labs move, is an implication that they all then go and run with.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Gina's like, well, everyone keeps coming into my ears about Katie, and I like about. And I feel like you don't want me to like that. Oh, no, Gene, Gretchen says that. Sorry. And Gina's like, yeah, but I was open. Like, you came to me about tmra, and I was open, and I listened to you. But then when I came to you about, you know, when I came to you about this, you're not open, and it makes me think that maybe you did say something to Kitty. Gretchen. And then Gretchen's like, oh, you guys defend your friend Tamara, and I can't defend my friend. And I'm like, whoa.

[Emily Simpson]

We hold Tamra accountable. You will hold Katie accountable.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hold her accountable.

[Ben Mandelker]

You literally never hold Tamara accountable. Never follow her around. We've watched for season after season as Tamara has, like, gone after people like Shannon, etc. And, like, you just don't. You don't hold her accountable in the same way. You may give her, like, a slap on the wrist here or there, but you don't hold her accountable. So Gretchen is like, katie hasn't done anything to.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Anything to me. Tamara has done something to everyone at.

[Ben Mandelker]

This table, and it, like, hits them.

[Shannon Beador]

All like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they still don't think to themselves, wow, yeah, Tamara's. Tamara's garbage. We shouldn't be friends with her anymore. They're like, okay, well, anyway, moving on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Chris is like, no, I can't eat when I'm with these people. I can never eat. I just want to believe my friend and not the person who's proven to be a liar and a manipulator and conniving person. Like, who are you gonna believe, America? And so Heather's like, well, you know what?

[Tamra Judge]

We've been scared, and we've been honest about this with you, Katie. We're just very, very terrified of you. Because what.

[Ronnie Karam]

What. What's next?

[Tamra Judge]

What is gonna happen next?

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

I can promise you the truth will come out. Okay, guys, well, thanks for coming to New Orleans. We're all gonna be traveling back a little bit lighter.

[Shannon Beador]

No. We've eaten so many beignets.

[Emily Simpson]

Ha.

[Shannon Beador]

And scene.

[Heather Dubrow]

Great episode, guys.

[Tamra Judge]

It's going to go down as one of the Heather Dubrow, Emily, whatever her name is fights of the century.

[Shannon Beador]

I'm so glad we were able to find peace and resolve after that vicious trailer centering fight that Emily and I had about how she makes fun of.

[Heather Dubrow]

Me and how she can't take a laugh.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we go back to Orange county, and we get the like, oh, everybody is getting reacquainted with their loved ones. Jen is telling Ryan she wrote a. And he's like, wow. Huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

It explains last week when we're like, but it's a bull.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

But it's a bull.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why they. Why are they calling it a. Because it was a mechanical bull that they put, like, chicken feathers on so that they could call it a. Sorry, just wanted to clarify. Just want to circle back to a loose end from last week. Thank you so much, everyone. You know, we're very. We're very journalists ourselves.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lots of apologies today. Yeah, we're. We're the reputable journalists.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're like.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're in the. Bravo.

[Heather Dubrow]

Scary.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Ryan's like, wow, you wrote a cog. Maybe tonight you could try writing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shut up.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Shannon calls Sophie and said, well, I just got back from New Orleans. Sophie, you can't hear me. You can't hear. Sophie, hear you. Sophie, go outside. Unless it's your mother. Sophie, go outside. Oh, God. Sophie, just have another cocktail, okay? And then Sophie just lifts a beer up to the camera. It's like, yeah, mom, are you driving a car right now? You are hilarious.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

Oh, I. I remember that. When you do this, I have to laugh to show that this is funny to me. And I'm not reflecting on how lonely I am in my house right now.

[Heather Dubrow]

And how I can't drink when the cameras are here. Otherwise I face the judgment of the American people.

[Gina Kirschenheiter]

So I'll just laugh. I'm so happy. I am happy. I am. I'm happy happy.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Gina gives her kids gator gear and like, oh, my God, that's girl's mom. Oh, look at that. You can use a nose picker. And then we get very dramatic music. But they're still playing the old B roll footage of, like, hot doing things. It's like someone has died, and it's like a hot, shirtless guy playing basketball. You guys might need some more depressing B roll footage if we're going to play this music.

[Ben Mandelker]

The best part was, yeah, like, they.

[Heather Dubrow]

They.

[Ben Mandelker]

They showed these hot guys shirtless playing basketball. And this hot guy goes. And he, like, does, like, a layup and just totally misses the basket. I was like, oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh. Well, maybe it was more. More of a fitting intro to a Tamara scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just missing the layup. Like, you can be hot, but you just got immortalized as someone who can't get the ball in the basket.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hello there. This is a two part recap. Okay, this is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

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