#2985 RHOC S19E08 Part 2: Lie Deflectors

Summary

Watch What Crappens Ep. #2985 — RHOC S19E08 Part 2: Lie Deflectors

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: August 29, 2025

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Main Theme / Episode Overview

In this second part of their “RHOC” Season 19, Episode 8 recap, Ben and Ronnie dive headfirst into the chaotic aftermath of the cast’s lie detector party — a classic Bravo stunt to force drama and (supposed) truth-telling. The episode is packed with shifting alliances, faux apologies, and several layers of pettiness as the Housewives squirm, protest, and attempt to out-maneuver each other regarding accusations of betrayal, backstabbing, and leaking stories to the press.

Ben and Ronnie keep their signature blend of sarcastic humor, Bravo savagery, and oddball pop culture tangents, dissecting every fake gesture, mangled aphorism, and the group’s collective hypocrisy with glee.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tamra’s Return & Fragile Alliances

Timestamps: 03:14–05:59

• The hosts immediately address Tamra’s dramatic return after nearly quitting. Ronnie sarcastically points out how quickly the group crumbles to welcome her back — in stark contrast to their harshness towards Katie:

  “You’d think they’d be better at kissing ass after a decade!” (Ben, 05:18)

• Gina’s flip-flopping is noted: just before Tamra’s arrival she’s "over" her, but as soon as Tamra enters, Gina is fawning.

• The panel notes, “It’s such a double standard when it comes to Katie” (Jen, 04:16), with Tamra tolerated while new cast members are scapegoated.

2. The Lie Detector Shenanigans Begin

Timestamps: 07:02–10:19

• Emily presents the group with bundled “deep” questions she claims will “move the group forward” (Emily, 07:42), but Ben observes, “None of these questions are deep. These are petty questions” (07:54).
• The polygraph examiner’s credibility comes under attack by the hosts for her dramatic advice to not move (“A reaction looks like a lie!” 09:32) and detective-show vibe.

3. Questionable Questions & Housewives’ (Non-)Truths

Timestamps: 11:05–20:16

• The actual questions asked oscillate between the deeply frivolous and the awkwardly personal:

  • “Would you rather be a Housewife of Beverly Hills?” (to Heather)
  • “Do you keep Heather around for her real estate contacts?” (to Gina)
  • “Did you plant stories about Tamra in the media?” (to Katie)

• The hosts ridicule the group’s math skills, the goofiness of the questions (“What is half of 10 times 5?”), and the escalating anxiety amongst the cast.

• Notable moment: Shannon’s neurosis is mined for comic gold as she describes polygraph nightmares, culminating with:

  “I told the truth! And they're blonde every single time, and they're giving me a lie detector test on the beach, and David is just sitting there eating a chip slowly, slowly, as Alfredo digs a grave…” (Shannon/Ben impersonation, 15:35)

4. The Gretchen vs. Katie Showdown

Timestamps: 20:16–31:17

• The central scandal: whether Gretchen went to the hospital after being allegedly drugged at a prior “Naked Wasted” night, and if Katie leaked that to the press.

• Most contestants’ results are inconsistent; polygraph outcomes are both used and discredited to fit what each woman already believes.

• Ben notes,

  “Everyone’s discrediting the lie detector test… Except when it comes to Katie. Then it’s 100% correct: get her out of the house.” (37:36)

• The hosts dissect conflicting memories and ever-evolving stories, noting both Gretchen and Katie each have motive to spin their versions.

5. Hypocrisy and the Group Pile-On

Timestamps: 36:43–45:55

• Ben and Ronnie skewer the cast’s hypocrisy — everyone in the group fails or bends at least one polygraph question, yet Katie alone is scapegoated.

• Ronnie observes,

  “This cast is still disgusting. They’ve all just been caught lying multiple times. Why is it okay to bully one person?” (36:43)

• They call out Emily’s sanctimony and Gina’s attempt to claim moral high ground despite her own questionable behavior.

6. The Aftermath: Katie Ejected / Future Fallout

Timestamps: 45:55–47:55

• After being definitively “outed” by the polygraph, Katie is advised to leave and is seen emotional and isolated outside.
• “Katie did this to herself, but the gang up is so vicious… it just doesn’t feel like the punishment fits the crime.” (Ben, 44:55)
• Ben and Ronnie speculate about rumors that the rest of the cast refused to film with Katie after these events.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Gina’s loyalty:

  “Before Tamra got there Gina was acting like, ‘I’m so over Tamra’…and then Tamra gets there and Gina's like, ‘You know what? I miss you.’” (Ben, 05:30)

• On the polygraph’s legitimacy:

  “No, but of course, Emily the lawyer would bring the most unreliable form of evidence to the show.” (Ronnie, 10:25)

• On Shannon’s polygraph trauma:

  “I have nightmares where I am in a lie detector test, and they tell me, ‘Shannon, you lied,’ and I didn't lie… David is just sitting there eating a chip slowly, as Alfredo digs a grave.” (Shannon/Ben, 15:33-15:53)

• Polygraph catch-22:

  “Everyone’s discrediting the lie detector test…except when it comes to Katie, then it’s 100% correct: get her out of the house.” (Ben, 37:36)

• Heather’s honesty about Beverly Hills:

  Examiner: “Heather, would you rather be a Housewife of Beverly Hills?”
  Heather: “Yes, yes, yes, yes. True. It’s closer, guys!” (32:02)

• Katie’s plight:

  “She had many exit ramps. She could have said, ‘I said this to Kiki, but I didn’t think it was a big deal.’ … But the gang up is just so vicious.” (Ben, 44:49–44:55)

• On the group hypocrisy:

  “Throwing someone off and refusing to film with them when you’re still literally filming a show with Tamra is crazy to me.” (Ronnie, 45:27)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Start-End | |------------------------------------------|------------------| | Tamra Returns, Group Kisses Up | 03:14 – 05:59 | | Polygraph Ground Rules & Prep | 07:02 – 10:19 | | Housewives Polygraph Questions | 11:05 – 20:16 | | Gretchen–Katie Confrontation | 20:16 – 31:17 | | Hypocrisy, Pile-On, and Fallout | 36:43 – 45:55 | | Katie’s Exit, Episode Wrap-Up | 45:55 – 47:55 |

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Final Takeaways

• Ben and Ronnie call out the group’s convenient belief in the polygraph just long enough to eject a cast member they never liked, while conveniently forgetting their own messy storylines.
• The hosts are sympathetic to Katie’s predicament but delight in the dramatic spectacle, while mutually agreeing the cast’s collective hypocrisy and capacity for self-delusion is what really drives the Housewives machine.
• Ronnie wraps up:

  “If we’re gonna laugh at one liar being taken down, let’s do it while they’re all taken down. Tamra and Katie — team up and do your magic.” (49:13)

• Ben, ever the Bravo satirist, reminds everyone:

  “It was hilarious. Let’s not get away from the fact that this was a hilarious episode, and deeply entertaining to me.” (49:06)

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For new listeners, this episode is a perfect showcase of Watch What Crappens’ tone: irreverence, deep Housewives knowledge, and sharp, wildly funny commentary.

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[Jen Kirkman]

So then, dun dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Speaking of which, here's Tamra.

[Brandi Glanville]

I'm just going to answer your question. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but just to answer your question, I think it's because when they thought Tamra quit and was off the show, they didn't give a shit. They were just ready to ghost her forever. But now that they know she's coming back and that she can traumatize them for another season, they're like, oh, oh, we better be nice. Exactly. I think that that should show Tamara how much these people think of all of her because they're immediately all ready to write her off and never speak to her again.

[Jen Kirkman]

That's exactly correct. So she shows up and she's like.

[Tamra Judge]

You thought you can't get rid of me that quickly, badge. I'm back.

[Jen Kirkman]

So Emily's like, oh, wow, are you mad at me? She's like, well, I'm just sad.

[Tamra Judge]

Sad that you didn't call me batch.

[Emily Simpson]

It's like, well, no, I had a lot of stuff going on with Luke and I haven't shared it with you, but he has an eating disorder. We came back from New Orleans. He had regressed. And what I'm trying to say is I'm going to use my son's situation as a get out of jail card with why I didn't get talk to you and this is why you shouldn't be mad at me.

[Jen Kirkman]

And I'm like, this doesn't mean 90% either.

[Tamra Judge]

We're still friends with her.

[Jen Kirkman]

But like, also, this lady just threatened to quit the show, jeopardize the entire flow of the season. Like, that could have messed up so many things for all of them. And they're just like, oh, yeah, welcome back. Like without anything. And just. I just feel like the. It's such a double standard when it comes to Katie. Like the, the amount of aggression that they show Katie and. And the amount of fury that's aimed in her direction.

[Tamra Judge]

So Tamara's like, yeah, yeah, what part of my problem.

[Brandi Glanville]

Oh. Cause Gina, of course, runs up too. And she's like, you know, I genuinely love you.

[Tamra Judge]

That's why I'm like, just go to fucking bed. You get it? I was like, yeah, yeah, I know. Part of my problem is that you're not going to set in therapy. It's just that you can. Hold on, wait for this. This is a huge break to everybody. I don't know how to practice a bad scene. Yeah, but, like, don't push us away.

[Jen Kirkman]

When you do it. Like, don't push us. And Emily's like, when you're upset, can.

[Emily Simpson]

Can you, like, share with us?

[Jen Kirkman]

God, yeah.

[Brandi Glanville]

Camera really has a problem sharing when she's upset. What the are you two on about? Like, seriously, could you please just find a better way to kiss ass? You've been kissing ass for a decade now. You'd think you'd be better at this.

[Jen Kirkman]

Well, also, like, when, before Tamara got there, Gina was acting like, I'm so over Tamara. I'm so over. And then Tamara gets there, and then Gina's like, okay, you know what? I might as well get this over with. Like, she's like, me. She gets up from the sofa, acting like, I'll say hello. I'll be. I'll be nice, and I'll just. Whatever, we'll move on. And so you think she's going to be like, hi, Tamara. But she goes up. She's like, you know what? Like, I miss you. Like, she's so, like, you know I love you.

[Tamra Judge]

You just have to, like, let me know.

[Jen Kirkman]

Like, I love you. I'm like, well, it's so fake, her pretending like she is actually, like, it's not pretending. It's that, like, the way she just craters to Tamara's will time and time again.

[Tamra Judge]

So Tamara's like, well, you've got Katie and this girl. Everything's hurting my feelings. How can I not be upset about it again?

[Brandi Glanville]

And Gina's like, don't you worry about her, okay?

[Tamra Judge]

We've gotta. We've got Katie. We've got a plan. We've got a plan.

[Brandi Glanville]

And I was like, yeah, today is gonna be a personally pitiful, pivotal day in this group. Pivotal.

[Jen Kirkman]

So Katie is like, I feel sick. I feel kind of sick. I'll be right back. Because Katie knows she's about to get busted. So she, like, goes to the bathroom and everything. And then Heather's.

[Brandi Glanville]

I mean, you show up to. You show up to an event with a bunch of women. No one will look at you. No one will speak to you. Of course she's freak. You know? Of course she feels like, I don't.

[Tamra Judge]

Everyone's like, oh, my God, she must be.

[Brandi Glanville]

She must, like, already know that there's.

[Tamra Judge]

A lie detector, and she's already freaking.

[Jen Kirkman]

So Heather's like, tamara, Tamara, there's homework, okay? Burning questions that you want to know. Like, it's like, yes or no questions. Like, you, like, did you, like, really. Did you forget to call me on your birthday? Polygraph things. Easy, easy stuff, Tamra.

[Tamra Judge]

Hey, wait. If it's the best new year, is it 2026? It's 2025. Is it Swiss in the year?

[Jen Kirkman]

So they're, like, joking about what year it is. Like, Persian calendar, Hebrew year, all that stuff. Katie finally comes out of the bathroom, and Emma's like, okay, everyone, gather round.

[Emily Simpson]

I just want to give a little Persian New year speech. I gave you all a packet of questions because I thought in order to move forward, maybe we need to ask each other some deeper questions and really get to the truth, which, by the.

[Jen Kirkman]

Way, none of these questions are deep. These are petty questions.

[Emily Simpson]

But I thought we'd ask some deeper questions and get to the truth, because I feel like there's a lot of things going on that are splitting the group. So today what we're going to do is take a lie detector test.

[Brandi Glanville]

Ooh, thank you so much. Thank you so much. I've never had one of those. This sounds amazing. Thank you, Emily. Thank you for having me to your Persian lie party. This is going to be amazing. And Katie's just like, great. I can't do this. I have a lot of.

[Tamra Judge]

A lot of trauma about lie detector.

[Brandi Glanville]

Test in my dreams, please.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I'm a truth teller, so this doesn't bother me whatsoever. Batch Now.

[Jen Kirkman]

This is not what I signed up for today. You know what I did sign up for? I signed up for a green smoothie at Creation, and I did not receive it. That's what I'm telling you about. That's what I signed up for.

[Brandi Glanville]

Yeah. And Katie is like, yeah, I don't want to do this. And so here we go. And so they start going into the lie detector. We see them all going in separately. They're cutting it all together, but we see them all going in. And Emily sits down, and she's got her legs crossed, and she's like, oh, my God. This feels like a very Sharon Stone moment to me. And then she starts uncrossing her legs, and my dog started howling. I was like, please don't do this. Please don't do this to me.

[Jen Kirkman]

Yeah.

[Brandi Glanville]

No one deserves this. And how long have you been holding that line in? Because you set this whole thing up. Like, she set up the set. And then she's like, oh, wow, don't look like Sharon Stone. Oh, I've got a meatball in my pocket.

[Tamra Judge]

Hey, wait, that's meatball.

[Jen Kirkman]

Please tell me you took my dog. So then the. The examiner's talking about, like, well, it's going to be reading your blood and your sweat and your breathing. And Gina's like, when is the body response? He's like, saying, it's like the breathing and everything. And. And the female examiner with her very intense bangs, I mean, she sort of looks like a side character on, like, ncis. She's like, some questions on this test, they're just going to sound odd to you. It's like, let me see how you respond. But most important thing is that you don't move, because when you move, it looks like a reaction, and a reaction looks like a lie. So then j.

[Brandi Glanville]

Okay, so then you're saying someone was sitting there, maybe, like, kind of nervously fiddling, that everything might sound like a lie. I mean, why are we believing these people?

[Jen Kirkman]

I know. That's the thing. Polygraphs, really. I don't think you can even really submit a polygraph in a court of law.

[Brandi Glanville]

Right?

[Jen Kirkman]

I think there's two.

[Brandi Glanville]

No, but of course, Emily the lawyer would be the one to bring up the most unreliable form of evidence to the show.

[Jen Kirkman]

Yeah. So the lady is like, is your first name Emily?

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Jen Kirkman]

Is your first name Jennifer? I believe so. Thank you so much for asking me that. My name is Jennifer. Thank you. And what's your name? Don't ask me my name. Do you know how to ask? Bicycle.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. Batch. I also know how to ride a hog. That's what I ride, you fucking pussy. Hey, you want to ride on my hog? You can't even do it, you fucking pussy.

[Brandi Glanville]

Okay, Tamara, calm down.

[Tamra Judge]

Sorry. I'm learning in therapy. I don't understand the most sounds.

[Jen Kirkman]

So now we get into the juicy questions. The first one to Heather Dubrow. Would you rather be a housewife of Beverly Hills? That was the best question. Would I rather have a house and be a wife in that house in Beverly Hills? We just don't see her answer. She just. She's definitely trying to be, like. She's furious, but she's trying to be, like, super cool at the same time, and it's a struggle.

[Brandi Glanville]

Then they ask, Jen, are you currently keeping any secrets? I don't remember secrets, so, no, I don't really keep anything. I don't Even know my address. Honestly, it's programmed into my car.

[Jen Kirkman]

I don't even use that deodorant. So then he. Then she's like, well, what is half of 10 times 5? Oh, oh, oh. Half of 10 times 5 is 5, right?

[Brandi Glanville]

Oh, well, half of 10 times 5. So 10 times 5 is.

[Jen Kirkman]

35.

[Brandi Glanville]

I don't know math.

[Jen Kirkman]

Half of 35. 4. 10 times 5 is 35. Divide that by 2, you get 4. Thank you.

[Tamra Judge]

Next question.

[Jen Kirkman]

Literal idiot. I love it.

[Brandi Glanville]

So they ask Heather if she can speak Russian, and she says, Nietzsche. I played it. I played Russian. So.

[Jen Kirkman]

I was in the running to have a part in Anora, but unfortunately, that went to someone else. But I did learn a few words for that. Yes.

[Brandi Glanville]

I am still doing research on the role by having sex with Terry, though, because who else would do that but a prostitute?

[Jen Kirkman]

I was in the running to be someone who ran the ice cream shop that got vandalized by young people in Brooklyn. Thank you. Thank you.

[Brandi Glanville]

So that was a candy shop. I guess they had ice cream. Candy shop.

[Jen Kirkman]

No.

[Brandi Glanville]

I couldn't believe they destroyed that whole candy store on Coney Island. Isn't Coney island going through enough?

[Jen Kirkman]

Excuse me, but when I read for the part, it was a frozen yogurt shop. And when I didn't get it, what I heard is that the actor insisted it be a candy shop. And if they had worked with me, they could have kept their original version and their vision of a yogurt shop. Thank you.

[Brandi Glanville]

So they asked Gina if Travis has big balls. And she's like, oh, my God.

[Tamra Judge]

Like, I'm panicking right now because, like, I haven't seen that many balls. Like, I think they'll be.

[Brandi Glanville]

So do you talk badly about Heather Dubrow in front of your children, Emily? And she's like, oh, no. And we're. And then they ask Tamra, was she really told she was on the spectrum of autism? And so we see a flashback to her podcast with her going.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm not the spectrum of Bitch Desert.

[Brandi Glanville]

And then we. They ask Heather if she. If what? They asked Gina if she keeps Heather around for her real estate contacts, which I 100% believe, too. Well, I don't think she said she keeps her around. I think she said, like, I don't want to offend Heather because she's important to my business. They're all such liars. And none of these answers were true either. Okay, I won't get into that yet. We still have a long way to go. Yeah.

[Jen Kirkman]

Then did you call the paparazzi to meet you at Disneyland.

[Brandi Glanville]

What?

[Jen Kirkman]

I don't even understand what this means. And then did you make contact with Slade's ex to dig up information? Which, by the way, this is such a Gretchen question. She asked this question like it's on the top of any viewer's mind. Like, no one cares or remembers. Like, oh, like Slade being a deadbeat. Whatever. That was such a mo. That was so long ago. And to be like, finally, we're gonna get to the bottom of whether or not Tamara called someone. I'm like, gretchen, you can do better than that, honestly.

[Brandi Glanville]

Yeah. And they show us a reunion, like, 15 faces ago, and where they ask her where Slade is, like, oh, Michelle said T called her, fishing for information. And Tam is like, so then Shannon is like, wow, I'm really not looking forward to going in there for this. I just have.

[Tamra Judge]

I. I. I have nightmares. I have nightmares where I am in.

[Brandi Glanville]

A lie detector test, and they tell.

[Tamra Judge]

Me, shannon, you lied.

[Brandi Glanville]

And I didn't lie.

[Tamra Judge]

I didn't lie.

[Brandi Glanville]

I told the truth. And they're blonde every single time. And they're giving me a lie detector.

[Tamra Judge]

Test on the beach.

[Brandi Glanville]

And David is just sitting there eating a chip. Slowly, slowly, as Alfredo digs a grave for me and starts to lower me in while I've still got straps on.

[Tamra Judge]

My arm, saying, here lies Shannon lie door.

[Brandi Glanville]

Here lies Shannon Bedor.

[Tamra Judge]

I didn't lie. I didn't lie.

[Jen Kirkman]

Like, ma', am, just a yes or no question.

[Brandi Glanville]

Well, we got Shannon's results back. There are 97 pages.

[Jen Kirkman]

She broke the polygraph. Well, a recurring dream that I have is that I go to Madagascar, one of my favorite restaurants, and Parrot looks.

[Tamra Judge]

At me and goes, polly want a cracker?

[Jen Kirkman]

And I say, sure do. And it turns out it was saying polygraph. And I have accidentally signed up for a polygraph. It makes me very upset.

[Brandi Glanville]

So now she goes in, and they ask if she's had. She made. She made out with multiple men in Newport. And she's like, oh, you bet your bottom dollar. Do you want a friendship with Tamara? And now she's done, and now it's Katie and Gretchen's turn.

[Jen Kirkman]

So then the examiner's like, please do not lie to me today. And Katie is like, let me. This makes me so anxious. I said, I don't know. I don't know. I'm just. I'm anxious because, well, polygraphs don't work off of anxiety. I'm like, yeah, but, like, if you move because of your anxiety, the polygraph does get affected.

[Brandi Glanville]

That's what you Said, ma', am, that's your own evidence that you brought it. First of all, what exact what polygraph examiner says, please don't lie to me today before you sit down. This lady is terrible at this. Whoever. Whatever actress they got is terrible. So Katie's like, I'm just anxious. And she goes, well, are you normally an anxious person? And she's like, with this group. Have you seen this group? They smashed eggs on their lawn before a lie detector test party. Are you kidding?

[Jen Kirkman]

So then. So then downstairs, Heather's like, gretchen, have you spoke to her at all? Have you spoken to her? And then Jen's like, no, but she's very. She's very upset or something. I don't know what. I don't know why Gretchen's so upset. And Emily says, well, I bet Gretchen.

[Emily Simpson]

Met with Kiki and Gina knows.

[Jen Kirkman]

So, of course, like, Emily knows something. And then Tamara's like, get the lie detective test bat.

[Tamra Judge]

Did you see Kiki yesterday, Kadina?

[Jen Kirkman]

She's like, oh, my God, my blood pressure is, like, going through the roof already. And she's basically says, like, I know what's going on, but it's not my place to say anything. So for once, all season, I'm not going to speak in someone else's place.

[Brandi Glanville]

And so then we go to Katie's exam room, and she's.

[Emily Simpson]

Katie.

[Brandi Glanville]

Katie's freaking out. She's like, oh, my God, I'm so nervous. Can I close my eyes? Is that okay? Can I close my eyes? Do you have a teddy bear I can hung? That would be great. Can the teddy bear answer my questions?

[Jen Kirkman]

Can I go to sleep?

[Brandi Glanville]

Have you planted stories about Tamara in the media? And Gret's like, no, Katie. Oh, my God, my heart is bumping. Katie, have you leaked any stories to the press? And she goes, no. Oh, my God, I feel sick.

[Jen Kirkman]

Oh, my God.

[Brandi Glanville]

Who wrote this question? Oh, my God.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh.

[Brandi Glanville]

Do you have the paper bag? Do you have a paper bag?

[Jen Kirkman]

I. By the way, I was so stressed watching this. I was stressed for Katie because she was so stressed. Like, it was. Honestly, it did not look good for Katie at this point. I was like, oh, she's really acting super guilty. And. Or maybe it could be the inverse where, like, you know, you're innocent, but you feel like you're acting guilty, so then you act crazy. But, like, oh, I was really stressed about all this. And so then they ask Gretchen, like, did you go to the hospital for naked wasted? And she's like, no.

[Brandi Glanville]

And then.

[Jen Kirkman]

Then the. Then the lady asks, Katie, did Gretchen tell you she was drugged and went to the hospital? And Katie's like, yes. So then they ask Kate, they ask Gretchen, did you tell Katie and Jen that you're a drug? And she says no. And then did you tell Kiki Gretchen was drugged and hospitalized? And Katie says no. So there's a lot of, like, you know, there's a lot of.

[Brandi Glanville]

But then where would. But it's so silly that Katie's even lying about this. And that's. That's a huge one that she's lying about, because what else. Where else would Kik. Monique get that? That's crazy. Not gonna lie. Why would Kiki just make that up? Be like, oh, yeah, I talked to her, and she said she was roofied that day. Jacques, go tell Dave Quinn. Like, what? It's just such a random thing to make up about somebody.

[Jen Kirkman]

Yeah.

[Brandi Glanville]

And she's also claiming that Gretchen said it. So you're claiming that Gretchen told you she went to the hospital and was drugged, but you didn't tell Kiki Mo' nique that. But Kiki came up with that on her own randomly. Come on, Katie. Come on, man.

[Jen Kirkman]

Yeah, so Katie is saying, like, that she really hopes that all the naked waste stuff comes to light because she's tired of being the fall person for all of Gretchen's lies. And Gretchen's like, I know I was.

[Tamra Judge]

Telling the truth, so I'm confident it's gonna prove my innocence. And she's a leer.

[Jen Kirkman]

So then Katie's like, the truth always comes to light, and Gretchen's gonna know I'm not covering for her anymore.

[Brandi Glanville]

Oh, my God.

[Jen Kirkman]

Congratulations. You two have both fallen into Tamara's plan and are at each other's throats, just as she wanted.

[Brandi Glanville]

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[Jen Kirkman]

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[Brandi Glanville]

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[Jen Kirkman]

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[Jen Kirkman]

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[Brandi Glanville]

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[Jen Kirkman]

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[Brandi Glanville]

Listen to Rich Girl Summer now on audible. Go to audible.com richgirlsommar so now the results are here. And the lady comes out and she sits them all down. Do you, Emily, do you think you're a better lawyer than Shane? And she's like, absolutely. That's correct. You passed. Do you talk badly about Heather in front of your children? No. She goes, that is true. You pass that. Okay. Yeah, already. You're discredited. Get the out of here. You're a liar.

[Jen Kirkman]

Get it out. Get it out.

[Brandi Glanville]

You're a liar.

[Jen Kirkman]

Move it.

[Brandi Glanville]

Clear.

[Jen Kirkman]

Clear the polygraph.

[Brandi Glanville]

Clear this woman. Clear the bangs, Valentina. Clear the bangs.

[Jen Kirkman]

Valentina. Get the polygraph out of here. Further away.

[Brandi Glanville]

Away. Yeah. Katie's like, well, that's so Gina. Did you say you keep Heather around for her real estate contacts? No. You passed. I don't believe it. And she's like, oh, thank the literal Lord.

[Tamra Judge]

Think literal Jesus.

[Jen Kirkman]

Gina's like, well, I've never even heard of real estate contacts before. Like, they make contacts for real estate. Like, that's amazing. Are they like, accu View? Like, I don't know about that.

[Brandi Glanville]

Does it just help you see kitchens better? Yeah.

[Jen Kirkman]

So, like, why would I keep Heather around for something I never even heard of before?

[Brandi Glanville]

Well, I wouldn't have believed it anyway.

[Tamra Judge]

But she's already asked the question.

[Brandi Glanville]

Oh, yeah, I did.

[Jen Kirkman]

I asked that. You know, the whole thing of Gina using me for real estate connections is so silly to me because even if she were, I would never give them to her. Not even an issue.

[Brandi Glanville]

Okay. Tamara, did you contact Slade's ex to dig up information?

[Tamra Judge]

I don't know. I don't remember. I remember she reached out to me. If I reset to her. I don't remember such a six years. Meaning That I did. You know, I spoke with her. I did. I did speak with her. So. I don't know. It's so long ago, guys.

[Jen Kirkman]

Yeah. Tamara's basically, like, I said yes because I couldn't remember, and I figured it would tell me I was lying if I said no, so I just said yes. And, like, that's. You passed.

[Brandi Glanville]

It's like you passed by lying. Only Tamara could pass something by lying about it boldly.

[Tamra Judge]

And it's gonna prove that she's a liar if she doesn't admit the truth. She just wants to hear anything to make Slade look like he was a deadbeat. There's a manipulation and a calculation, and then behind every single thing that that.

[Jen Kirkman]

Woman does, you're the one who keeps on talking. Yeah, well, there's that, too. But also, Gretchen, like, I personally had forgotten about all that. And you're the one who keeps on bringing up, reminding us that Slade, like, had deadbeat accusations.

[Brandi Glanville]

And also, that wasn't just stuff that Tamara brought. Like, she didn't just bring it up. And that's where it came from. It wasn't all the blogs and stuff, too. That lady was like, didn't she post Kickstarter asking for money for the kid's funeral because Slade wouldn't pay? I mean, there were a lot of bad stories, and they didn't come from Tamara. They came from her. They came from the wife. So maybe talk to her and, I.

[Jen Kirkman]

Don'T know, talk to her. So then the examiner says, asked, like, the questions Tamara was. Did you. Do you want a friendship with Shannon?

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Jen Kirkman]

She's like, yes, you passed that. And were you told you were on the spectrum of autism?

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Jen Kirkman]

You failed that one. Maybe there's something.

[Brandi Glanville]

It's a polygraph, after all.

[Tamra Judge]

How could I even feel that one?

[Brandi Glanville]

And then we see a flashback to her talking to the therapist. And therapist said, okay, so I remember. Do you remember when we brought up if the spectrum could possibly be a part of it? So it's hard to say until you get an assessment. So she never said you were on the spectrum. She said that you should probably get assessed for it. Tamara. But Tamara's like, that's bullshit.

[Tamra Judge]

That's bullshit. Why don't everybody be so mean to me?

[Jen Kirkman]

So, Jennifer, did you befriend Tamara with ulterior motives? No. No, I didn't. You passed. Thank you so much.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, God, make me ask that. Twitch Twit. Cat bar. Okay, Give me a break.

[Brandi Glanville]

So do you trust Katie? Janela? And Jen's like, yes, you pass that One as well. My Bangs and I both approve. And so Jen's like. I mean, I know I can be naive, but I do trust Katie. I love Katie. Katie's so trustworthy. I trust her with everything I leave for my children. I wonder if she'd sign a loan. What's 5 times 50 divided by 8 plus 3? I just don't know. I still don't know.

[Jen Kirkman]

I'll ask Ryan. He's really good with math. It always works out well for him. So then Katie is like, yeah, she just likes. Katie is saying that it feels good to have a true friend because the polygraph says that, like, Jen does trust her. So then do you have any serious reservations about marrying Ryan? She goes, no. No, I don't. Then this lady goes, yeah, you reacted significantly to that question. Liar, liar, pants on fire is the scale that we judged, and your pants are on fire.

[Brandi Glanville]

Wait a minute. Does that mean that I failed it? She's like, yeah, it was basically math. She's like, oh, my God, I failed it.

[Jen Kirkman]

Significantly failed that. Okay, thanks for the editorial commentary, Bangs.

[Brandi Glanville]

I'm not believing. I'm not believing this lady for two seconds. Where did they get her? This party sitter.

[Jen Kirkman]

Lie detector lady.

[Brandi Glanville]

So party sitter does a Party sitter. Party.

[Jen Kirkman]

That's where she came from. Party sitter. Not even party City. Party sitter. She's from Sensations in Newport Beach.

[Brandi Glanville]

So Jen's. Jen says she just doesn't. She's just so nervous about getting married, and that's why she has reservations, because she doesn't want to go through a divorce again. So Shannon made out with multiple men in Newport. That was true. And does she want a friendship with Tamara?

[Tamra Judge]

Maybe.

[Brandi Glanville]

I'm very confused. Okay, that was passed, even though it was confusing. And Tamara's like, yeah, I do miss.

[Tamra Judge]

My friendship with Shannon. I just think Shannon knows my heart, and she knows that I've always been good to her, which is why she won't speak to me for being really horrible to her. But she knows I'm a good person and I love her, which is why she hates me for being a bad person and hating her. I know. It's all really condemned. I'm.

[Jen Kirkman]

Shannon just always needs two seasons to get over something. She. She takes her. She takes a long time to get over. But give her two seasons so they'll be back and friends next season, I guarantee.

[Brandi Glanville]

But also, Tamara's terrible. I love that Tamara's like, oh, yeah, she knows I'm a good person, and I'm always good to her. What no, you're not. When was this? What season was this? Because I've watched them all, ma'.

[Jen Kirkman]

Am. Then my favorite question and reaction of the night, Heather, would you rather be a housewife of Beverly Hills? She goes, yes, yes, yes, yes. True. It's closer, guys. I love. She immediately is like, ready? It's closer. I live in Beverly Hills. And I told them, everyone's gonna be pissed and say, you think you're better than us. I said, I don't think that at all. I know it. So let me be in Beverly Hills. I'm next to Drake already. I'm next to Bron Lays from the Lakers. Let me be there. I'm with the rich people already.

[Brandi Glanville]

I love that she uses that she lives in Beverly Hills as her excuse when she moved to Beverly Hills trying to get on that show, you dummy. So they're like, whatever. No one's surprised. And Gina's like, oh, my God.

[Tamra Judge]

She's basically like, she prefers a better commute. I'm like, you gotta drive. You gotta drive.

[Jen Kirkman]

I mean, I think commute is not nothing. Gina, did you see his face when she came and met you in Madagascar?

[Brandi Glanville]

Two hours each way. Yeah. That's a lot to go hang out. One bedroom, okay.

[Jen Kirkman]

Exactly. That's a long drive just to go meet you at a Color Me Mine in, you know, tustin. So then the next one. Did you call the paparazzi to meet you at Disneyland? And Heather goes, no. Yes. You failed on that one as well. Well, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. I didn't call the paparazzi. I was, I've already sworn on my children's lives. I, I, I didn't do it. I, I, I. Oh, oh, I'm remembering now. I was in character, of course, because when I was auditioning for Anora, I had to play a woman who was calling paparazzi on a yogurt shop. It all makes sense now.

[Brandi Glanville]

I will never forgive Wendy Malik from Take for taking that role from me.

[Jen Kirkman]

When you see Wendy Malik and Anora, just know she. She earned that role the bad way. And I'll let you just think about how that works.

[Brandi Glanville]

So, of course, Katie loves this because that was Katie who accused her of that. So Jen's like, well, I just don't know why Heather doesn't say, you know what? You know how amazing I am. I just pick up the phone and paparazzi shows up at Disney, you know, I would pick up the phone and they'd be like, who, who are You. I mean, ah, just so hard really is.

[Jen Kirkman]

Poor Jen can't get the paparazzi to take pictures of her around Orange County. That's because many of them live in Los Angeles. They don't want to make the commute. So then, then now the big. Here it is, the main event. Gretchen, did you tell Katie and Jen that you were a drug? I said no, that was truthful. And Tamara collapsed. Why is Tamara clapping?

[Brandi Glanville]

Because it's bullshit.

[Jen Kirkman]

Because this is all sarcastic clap. Yes.

[Brandi Glanville]

So did you go to the hospital after naked wasted? I said, no, that was truthful. Well, we know that's not true because she just said last week that she went to the hospital to Tamara and Shannon, which of course, they point out. So Tamran's like, can I suspicious?

[Tamra Judge]

Cause I said point blank back. Did she go to the hospital? And she said, flashback, doo doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. I did say the next day, yeah, I went to the hospital because I was so sick.

[Jen Kirkman]

So why didn't they bring it up right then, Right then and there?

[Brandi Glanville]

Because this one thing this show does every single year is they go after one person and they just hammer them, right? And so I think that it's just solidarity. They're like, this is the time we're hammering Katie. Shannon doesn't want to turn it back to her. She's just like, let's just. It's Katie's on the chopping block. Let's just get. Let's just hammer Katie. We'll get to the rest of this stuff later.

[Jen Kirkman]

Priorities.

[Brandi Glanville]

Yeah, they'll bring it up later. I'm sure they're gonna be like, you're a liar, Gretchen.

[Jen Kirkman]

There is this, which is that when Gretchen said she went to the hospital, maybe that was the lie. Maybe she never went to the hospital. But for whatever reason, she lied to Tamara and Shannon. It still means she lied. I mean, she has two different stories. So she lied with one of the stories.

[Brandi Glanville]

I tend to, he was lying then or she's lying now. So, yes, this.

[Jen Kirkman]

I think she's lying now. I think that she. I think she went to the hospital because it lines up perfectly with Katie's new narrative. So. And that's the narrative that I enjoy the most. So I'm gonna use my.

[Brandi Glanville]

It's like a choose your own adventure. You know, I'm.

[Jen Kirkman]

Oh, you don't know. You don't understand the way that my brain is working, like, overtime to get my workarounds to be on team Katie right now, because it's not easy. But, like, I'm Coming up with all the logic. I'm doing all the warp logic to make it fit.

[Brandi Glanville]

Well, I mean, look, we've seen Katie lie a zillion times, so as far as being on her side with that, no, I think she's totally lying about everything. But I do not everything. I believe that she's lying. It's just that she's lied so much about this leading up to it that now we literally don't know what to think. But she's completely untrustworthy. I will say that. But this cast is still disgusting. And they've all just been caught lying multiple times. So I just don't understand why it's okay to, like, kick one person out and bully them when you've just all proven to be fucking liars. So now, like, you've all.

[Jen Kirkman]

You've all failed different parts of your polygraph. And then Gretchen, who actually passes everything, no one believes that. That she's saying the truth. Everyone's like, this is a lie. This is not. This is not right. So you all know each other lie. It's all proven that you guys all lie if you're to take this on face value. And you all believe that each other lie, but like Katie.

[Brandi Glanville]

But they're also all discrediting the lie detector test at the same time. That's why this cast is so dumb. Tamara's like, well, that's not true. This lie detector is bullshit. And Heather's like, well, that's not true. This lie detector is. But then when it comes to Katie, they're like, oh, no, this lie detector is 100% correct.

[Jen Kirkman]

Get her out of the house.

[Brandi Glanville]

Remove her dummies. So did you tell Katie that Gretchen said she was drugged and hospitalized? And Katie says, no, which we all know is a damn lie. And she's like, you failed that one. Did you play the recording of Shannon for Alexis? No. You failed that one, too. Did Gretchen tell you she was drugged and went on. Went to the hospital? Yes.

[Tamra Judge]

You literally said yes.

[Jen Kirkman]

Kitty goes, it's a polygraph. So then Gretchen. So then Heather's like, did she pass that one? No, she failed that one.

[Tamra Judge]

Just.

[Jen Kirkman]

You did the worst out of everyone.

[Brandi Glanville]

Yeah. And she goes, and those questions for you about Gretchen, you felt those very badly. Very badly. I say, as a professional, what the fuck? So Heather's like, oh, my God. This is like the boy who cried wolf. I mean, Katie's lips are moving. She's lying. Did you get that? Okay, no, you're too far behind the bush. Come a little bit out. I don't want bush leaves. Okay, you got it. Oh, God. Dave just got my pictures. I didn't call him, though. He just. He already knew we were gonna be here.

[Jen Kirkman]

I also just enjoyed how they're mangling the thing you're supposed to say. How do you know when Katie's lying? Her lips are moving, but instead she's like, this is like the boy who cried wolf. Katie's lips are moving, so she's lying. I was like, oh, Heather, you really mangled that one up. I say that as someone who mangles things every single day on this podcast. That was a big mangle.

[Brandi Glanville]

So Katie is like, I didn't lie, Gretchen. We sat at dinner, and everyone heard it. I'm not the only one saying this. Jen was there. Ryan was there. Matt was there.

[Tamra Judge]

Tamara's like, what dinner? What dinner did you have? I've checked the. Lots of Mozambique. No, she's talking about when we went.

[Jen Kirkman]

To Maestros, and Katie is like. She's like, slade even called Matt and said, don't share this.

[Tamra Judge]

No, he did not. You were literally making this up.

[Jen Kirkman]

No, I'm not. Jen. Jen, help me out. She's like, why are you looking at me? I'm still trying to figure out five times ten. It's a lot.

[Brandi Glanville]

A lot of numbers, because I'm not lying.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, first of all, I met with Kiki yesterday, and she told me that you said that to her.

[Brandi Glanville]

And Katie's like, I didn't. I swear to God. I mean, I. Listen, you said that you were drugged, you went to the hospital, and that you were drugged. But I didn't tell Kiki. She just made that up on her own randomly, after having lunch with me, even though it was the truth. But she didn't know it was the truth because I never told her anything about it.

[Tamra Judge]

Katie.

[Brandi Glanville]

Oh, my gosh, Katie, you're so bad at this. Like, I can't with you can't.

[Jen Kirkman]

Wait a second. Oh, we're talking about Kiki, Monique. Oh, I thought all these questions were about Kiki from Miami. Oh, yeah, no. That's why I failed the polygraph, you guys. Everything's. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. So Jenna's like, no, we were sitting there, and, you know, we talked about this, and I said, did she. Did she say she was sick as shit? And Gretchen's like.

[Tamra Judge]

And I said, I was so sick that I should. Should have gone to the hospital. That's what I said.

[Jen Kirkman]

Now, let. Let's say Gretchen is telling the truth right here. Is there just any room for, like, the possibility that something was misheard. Like, why does everyone think that everyone hears things perfectly? Oh, my God, my memory is so bad. Like, how many times do I mangle all sorts of just headlines I've just read? How many times do I forget all sorts of little tiny details? It's called getting old. And I just don't know why there's just no. There's just no space for that.

[Brandi Glanville]

Because Gretchen said on camera, trying to hide her face and whisper so that she wasn't heard, that she did go to the hospital because she felt so sick. I mean, she said it to Tamara and Shannon. We saw it. They showed it in this episode. So, I mean, Gretchen's lying. Gretchen's just fucking lying. She's lying about something. So Katie's like, it has to be wrong. I'll take it again. I'll take it again. I know 1000% I told the truth wholeheartedly. Well, maybe except for that last part, but, you know, even then, like, I kind of told the truth. I mostly told the truth. I'll take it again. I'll do it again. And Gretchen's like, I feel like an idiot, because you could just stop there. And you're right. And Gina's like, by the way, you're.

[Tamra Judge]

Trying to chuck me under the bus and tried to tell her that I said last year and insinuating that I was racist.

[Brandi Glanville]

What you said was problematic, Gina. It was. It was. And she has the right. She has the right to tell her experience to someone else. And that was caught on camera, too. We all saw it.

[Jen Kirkman]

So, yeah, Gina, you're this one. Like, and also, like. Like, how dare you even try to bring that into this? How dare you try to, like, get some sort of, like, sanctimonious upper ground in this situation that you're really not part of by. By injecting this part in. Like, you were wrong there. Sorry, there's no. There's no wiggle room for me on that one. So Katie is Katie. And Katie explained. She's like. She grew up in a predominantly white suburb, and sometimes people don't know how racially charged they sound. And she says, I don't think Gina knows that it came out that way, but it did, and it made me feel horrible. Because you're also basically shaming her. Like, if Katie. If Katie says, I'm like, I want to showcase Asian designers and she hasn't done it yet, you're shaving her and making her feel shitty. And it's like, not. I just don't Think. It's obviously not Gina's place to do that.

[Brandi Glanville]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

So she's like, you've lost your credibility with anybody here, y'. All.

[Emily Simpson]

Katie, maybe you should go.

[Brandi Glanville]

Okay. Yes, true. And Emily's just saying this because she set it up because she's so mad that the nanny heard her talk. The nanny. That her kids said that she talks about adding a bro. I mean, how childish are you that this is, how angry you are about something so fucking stupid. It's just so stupid. So Katie's like, okay, I'll go. But you did say that to me. And Gina's like, you should have addressed.

[Tamra Judge]

It then and not gone to the press about it.

[Brandi Glanville]

So now Katie leaves, and she's talking to the producer outside, and she's like, this is. I didn't. I don't. I didn't lie, Kendall. And he's like, so Gretchen did tell you that? She's like, yes. And Jen was sitting right there, and that's what makes me so upset. She heard it. So Katie's mad because Jen didn't back her up, and she could have. Yeah, but, you know, look, Jen could have backed her up, but you're the one who got messy and ran. I mean, look, ultimately, Katie did all this to herself. So there's part of it that's just like, you can't. You can't do this to yourself and then get mad at your friend for not getting pulled into your war. She didn't choose to go blab this to some blogger. You did. You were the one who.

[Jen Kirkman]

And. And she had many exit ramps at, like, any time. She could have said. I mean, I said this. I. I said this to Kiki, but I didn't think it was a big deal because it was so many years ago. It was just. We were just like. We're just chatting. I didn't think it was going to come out, but obviously that was a lapse in my judgment. It was not meant to, like, throw you under the bus or, like.

[Brandi Glanville]

Yeah, it was just gossiping, you know, Gossiping. Realize, God, this show is crazy.

[Tamra Judge]

Crazy.

[Jen Kirkman]

You know, and I forgot that, like, you have to, like, you know, be careful with. With these sort of things. But she had many chances to diffuse it, and she didn't. And that's, you know, that's. That is definitely on Katie. But the gang up is just. The gang up was. Is so vicious. It's so over the top. It's so bloodthirsty that it just doesn't feel like the punishment meets the, like, fits the Crime in this situation. I think that's what we're all reacting to.

[Brandi Glanville]

Yeah, I agree with you. I think that these ladies are a bunch of hypocrites. And throwing, like, having someone over just to, like, gang up on them and throw them off and then refuse to film with them and all of this shit when you guys are still literally filming a show with Tamara is crazy to me. That's crazy. So now Gret back inside, Tamara's like.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, wait, she admitted to meeting with Keith.

[Brandi Glanville]

And Gretchen's like, yeah, she said she met with Kiki, but she said to me and Gina in the car, I've never even mentioned Gretchen's name to Kiki. And Jen's like, yeah, she told me. She doesn't even talk about it. So I asked her, why do you meet with them because you don't feel like your friends? Feel like you meet with those bloggers and discuss us. And she said, well, Jen, I don't discuss you. And then I said, well, then, you know, stop. They're not your friend. We're your friends. You should be going to people to discuss your friends. And Tamara's like, okay, so Gretchen, you never told her that you were roofied or went to the hospital? Hospital? And she goes, no, she goes.

[Tamra Judge]

Because she sat right here, right now and said, sleep. The slave called Matt.

[Brandi Glanville]

And she goes, well, he did call Matt.

[Tamra Judge]

He did call Matt. But what I understood was he called.

[Brandi Glanville]

Matt saying, what the is your wife out saying and doing? Like, what is she doing? And now she's spinning something to some other thing.

[Jen Kirkman]

In the middle of all this, Annabelle appears in the doorway and waves, like, to her mom, like, bye. Like, she's going off somewhere. I'm like, annabelle's been in the house during this entire crazy situation. When they're yelling at each other, there's polygraphs going on, and you've got poor Annabelle here. Okay, Emily, like, classy.

[Brandi Glanville]

Talk about she just kind of waves her off. Yeah, she's kind of waves Roller. We're bowling, people. Go have fun at school or do whatever you're supposed to be doing right now.

[Jen Kirkman]

So Katie's like, matt and Slade and Ryan have all had phone calls about this, and we're not supposed to share it since. So I'm like, all through my head, I'm like, do I lie for Gretchen? Do I not lie for Gretchen? And I'm done. And no one is. Is going to believe me. But I can lay my head at night knowing I told the truth, and this might be the last time anyone sees me with this group of women. And so she gets up out of the chair, it says, to be continued. And then the gossip going around today, I'm sure you saw this, is that we are not going to be seeing Katie for many episodes of Orange County. I don't know when she's coming back or not, but. Did you read there was an art. I wish I. I wish I had saved the tweet. Beat me to the tweet. But basically it was like the. The tweet. The tweet said something along the lines of, yeah, she's not filming. I think because the women were uncomfortable with her.

[Tamra Judge]

Right.

[Brandi Glanville]

They refused to film with her. Yeah, they asked her out, which, I.

[Jen Kirkman]

Don'T know, doesn't sit well with me, to be honest. I just think it's. I think it's. They're all liars, and I don't.

[Brandi Glanville]

Yeah, Team Katie. Katie is a compulsive liar. We've seen her do it a lot. But I also believe certain things that she said. I do believe that Gretchen said that she went to the hospital and was tested for drug. Tested positive for drugs. And I also believe that Heather talks shit about. Or Emily talks about Heather to her kids. I believe that as well. So, you know.

[Jen Kirkman]

But then she lies about an issue with liars. If Emily has such an issue with liars, I would love to see who she voted for in November. That's all I have to say about that.

[Brandi Glanville]

Save the children.

[Emily Simpson]

Save the children.

[Brandi Glanville]

All right, everybody, thanks so much for being here. Good times. Now you're all stressed, but remember, it's just an idiotic TV show, and we just watched a bunch of women take lie detectors with all of their clothes. Layers. Layers of clothes. So, you know, take it. Take it for what it's worth. Live your life.

[Jen Kirkman]

It was hilarious. Let's not get away from the fact that this was a hilarious episode, and it was very stressful but deeply entertaining to me.

[Brandi Glanville]

Yeah. But team Katie, I hope she comes out on the top in the end. We'll see. We'll see. Because now we see all the alliances are changing because now Tamara is suddenly friends with Katie. So now Katie has Tamara on her side. So you never know when they're going to come out swinging and start getting the. Taking these other liars down. So if we're gonna. If we're gonna laugh and regale at one liar being kind of taken down, then let's do it while they're all taken down. I believe in you. Tamara and Katie team up and do your magic. All right? Everybody, thanks so much for being here. Happy weekend. We will talk to you next week. Amazon live is Monday, 4pm Pacific Time. Check our Instagram link in bio for links to that that and we'll talk to you next time.

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