#2991 RHOC S19E09 Part 2: Katie-Sixed

Summary

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Watch What Crappens – Episode #2991

RHOC S19E09 Part 2: Katie-Sixed

Hosted by Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: September 5, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Ben and Ronnie continue their deep-dive recap of RHOC Season 19, Episode 9, with razor-sharp wit and a mix of affectionate ridicule. The main focus is the aftermath of the polygraph controversy, Katie's fate on the show, parenting drama (Emily vs. Luke), and a “Good News Friday” that devolves into classic Real Housewives shade and schadenfreude. The hosts dissect the episode's escalating tensions, parental anxieties, and the ongoing feud dynamics, all while spotlighting the utterly tacky and uniquely charming universe of Orange County.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fleur de Lis & RHOC Tacky Chic (02:32–05:12)

• Setting: The ladies visit "Fleur de Lis," mocked as "the tackiest place in OC"—no actual fleur-de-lis in sight.
• Hosts Lampoon Décor:
  • "This place is so tacky. And they walk in, and Emily picks up what looks like something like a booger splatted against a wall. She goes, 'Oh, this is nice.' Like, oh, God, there's no tackier show on Bravo." – Ronnie (03:15)
• Contrast with RHOM: Ben notes the severe style whiplash from watching Miami’s glam episodes before RHOC’s.
• Casting & Polygraph Fallout: Flashbacks to Jen calling Emily about Katie’s claim that the polygraphers were paid actors.
  • "If you don't want to be in the middle of it, then don't be in the middle of it." – Ben (06:18)
  • The hosts drag Jen for spreading drama while claiming she wants no part in it.

2. Emily’s Parenting Ordeal & Parental Judgment (08:52–14:58)

• Emily’s Son Luke Drama: Emily juggles a phone meltdown over Luke refusing to go to school or walk the dog.
  • "I'm like, what am I supposed to stop? Just stay home all day, not go to Fleur de Lis?" – Ronnie (09:28)
• Parenting Advice Unfiltered:
  • Ben and Ronnie alternate between empathy and tough love, noting possible babying and questioning the wisdom of putting family strain on TV.
  • "What I did not love about this moment was when she said, like, we're gonna end up divorced because we don't know how to parent Luke...this is not good to have on the permanent record." – Ben (13:28)
• On-Air Therapy: The pod debates authenticity vs. oversharing, resonating with both parents and non-parents.

3. Katie, Matt, Slade, and the OC Phone Tree (16:26–20:39)

• Clustered Phone Calls & Receipts: Matt shows call logs as proof of the men strategizing, especially with Slade.
  • "I don't know what the damning thing is, except that the guys have been talking about it." – Ronnie (17:49)
• Slade’s Delusions of Grandeur: Hosts recall Slade’s bravado about “starting Housewives” (with vintage flashbacks).
  • "Slade did. Sure." – Ben (20:39)

4. Beach Day, Gifts & “Good News Friday” (25:34–36:39)

• Joe’s Return: Tamra brings Joe to beach day, attempting to weaponize her against Gretchen to minimal drama.
• Sporty Spice & Croissants: The group plays volleyball; Jen gifts mini supermarket croissants.
  • "What's the point of this?" – Ronnie, mocking Gretchen’s reaction (27:49)
• Heather’s Yale Humblebrag:
  • Heather regales the group with a twist—the reveal that her daughter Kat is headed to Yale, after teeing up USC for Shannon:
    • "She really wanted to get into USC, and she was—Oh, she got into Yale." – Ben as Heather (28:53)
  • Shannon’s “indifference” quickly turns to a comparison contest; cracks about inferior schools fly.
  • The “Good News Friday” check-in rapidly devolves into a competition of achievements (children’s awards, in-laws’ health, pregnancy announcements).

5. Gretchen vs. Tamra: Attempted Truce & Receipts (38:35–53:29)

• Showdown Segments: Gretchen and Tamra sit down for a reckoning over old accusations (deadbeat dad, hospital visits, and podcast drama).
  • "Oh, you misspoke when you said, that's funny. I did have to go to the hospital because I just felt so sick." – Ronnie, mocking the evasion (38:55)
  • "Lesson to Katie: next time, just say you misspoke. It’s the oldest trick in the book." – Ben (39:14)
• Deadbeat Dad Discourse: The hosts cite actual court receipts and articles, lambasting Slade and Gretchen’s years-long attempts at image management.
  • "What we do know is that the heart of all this, every single one of thing, everything is Slade. It's always...Slade." – Ben (47:08)
• Tamra Admits (half-jokingly) Blocking Slade's Employment:
  • "So I stopped him from getting jobs." – Ben as Tamra (52:37)
  • Knees-to-knees truce: The two “forgive” each other for the cameras, with full expectation it’ll implode by next week.

6. Skipping to the Next Drama: Shannon’s Turn to Grudge (53:37–54:58)

• Group Reaction: Shannon realizes she’ll now be the last to forgive Tamra, and turns it about herself:
  • "If Jen and Gretchen want to resolve multiple years of issues with Tamra in a 10 minute conversation and then skip along the beach like five-year-old sluts, then that's fine. I've been there, and I've done the skipping off too." – Ronnie as Shannon (54:13)
• Ben and Ronnie laugh about how these beachside truces and alliances are all ephemeral, and the real war is always against Shannon.

7. Sophie’s Heartbreak & Breakup Stories (55:21–58:55)

• Shannon’s Daughter Sophie Arrives Post-Breakup:
  • Emily opens with, "So before you go, I hear Shannon told us you got dumped by a hottie. Sorry."
• Group Trauma Bonding: Each woman shares a breakup horror story, some hilarious, some pitiful—Ronnie and Ben are aghast at the poor taste and oversharing.
• Life Lessons: It's all folded into the Housewives spectacle—the hosts note Sophie would do better to skip the advice and just take the croissants.

8. The Katie Exit & Season Predictions (59:15–59:44)

• Katie’s On-Screen Fate: Ben confirms she’s shown in the midseason trailer and is all but gone from regular episodes, though slated for the reunion.
  • "Looks like that's a wrap on Katie but the rest of the season still looks insane. So let's see. Of course the Gretchen and Tamra truce lasts about five minutes as we all suspected." – Ronnie (59:29)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the OC’s Style:
  • “There’s no tackier show on Bravo. Literally everything they go is so tacky on this show.” – Ronnie (03:31)
• On Emily’s Parenting:
  • "What I did not love about this moment was when she said...we're gonna end up divorced because we don't know how to parent Luke...this is not good to have on the permanent record." – Ben (13:28)
• On Katie’s Constant Drama:
  • “It is Boy Who Cried Wolf… now when there's something big like this that happens, she just doesn't have credibility.” – Ben (23:53)
• Heather’s Yale Humblebrag:
  • “She really wanted to get into USC, and she was—oh, she got into Yale.” – Ben as Heather (28:53)
• On Truces:
  • "Knees-to-knees truce: we forgive each other now, Gretchen. Can’t wait to wave your hand comb and brush in. Tell you how much I love you." – Ben as Tamra (52:52)
• On Housewives Amnesia:
  • “‘If Jen and Gretchen want to resolve multiple years of issues with Tamra in a 10 minute conversation and then skip along the beach like five-year-old sluts, then that's fine. I've been there, and I've done the skipping off too.’” – Ronnie as Shannon (54:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Tacky OC – Fleur de Lis & Decor Mockery: 02:32–05:12
• The Polygraph Drama & Jen’s Role: 05:37–07:53
• Emily Parenting Crisis & Discussion: 08:52–14:58
• Katie’s Cluster of Calls – Matt, Slade, Phone Logs: 16:26–20:39
• Beach Day, Croissant Gifts, “Good News Friday”: 25:34–36:39
• Heather Yale Bombshell: 28:23–31:47
• Gretchen & Tamra Truce (For Now): 38:35–53:29
• Sophie’s Breakup & Family Trauma Bonding: 55:21–58:55
• Katie’s Exit & Season Predictions: 59:15–59:44

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Tone & Takeaways

Ben and Ronnie's recap is a hilarious, sharp, and affectionate sendup of all things Bravo, with a special focus on RHOC’s unique gift for dramatics over the mundane. They seamlessly blend social commentary, OC-specific shade, and genuine empathy (especially about parenting), making the recap invaluable for listeners who missed the episode and essential for regular fans.

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Watch what crappins. Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much. Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Hello, and welcome to Watch what Crappens, A podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap. Now, we go to a place called Fleur de Lis, because, of course, there's a place called Fleur de Lis, AKA Gretchen's favorite thing to put on her wall. And Emily.

[Gina]

There's not a stitch of Fleur de Lis in this place, by the way, but not a stitch.

[Heather]

I don't.

[Gina]

This place is so tacky. And they walk in, and Emily picks up what looks like something like a booger splatted against a wall. She goes, oh, this is nice. Like, oh, God, there's no tackier show on Bravo. There really.

[Heather]

It really is.

[Gina]

Like, literally everything they go is so tacky on this show.

[Heather]

And having this on the same night as Miami, where they just keep on going to, like, glamorous locales, like, one after the next, and you have this show. It's just.

[Shannon]

It's.

[Heather]

It's really hard. And, like, the good news is that you leave this show and go to the world of Miami. But the bad news is that I watch the screeners in reverse order. I watch Miami first. So to go from the luxe, colorful world of Miami to now Fleur de Le of, like, Laguna Beach, I'm like, oh, this is really hard. So. So Emily walks in, and then Shannon comes in, and then they, like, pretend to hide from each other. They're, like, looking each other through, like.

[Emily]

A bookcase, like, isn't this funny? It's a bookcase, but we can see each other. But we're acting like we can't see each other. God, I love having good girlfriends. Not toxic over here.

[Heather]

So Gina's like, oh, my God.

[Shannon]

Like, what are we, like, shopping for? I mean, I can, like, always shop. Okay.

[Heather]

And Emily's like, I don't know.

[Emily]

Fun stuff. Let's get fun stuff. That's why we're at Fleur de Lis, home of fun stuff. Wacky wacky times.

[Shannon]

Oh, well, I think I found a pillow for Emily. Look at this pillow. It says. It says, not tonight. I guess I'll give this to Earl, Um, so that way he can tell me if tonight's the night that he's going to be trying vegetables. So I'm Just like, oh, yeah, I did that shopkeep. Do you have one of these pillows that says, none of these men will be intimate with me? Well, this was more fun about you. Do you have a pillow that on the front side says David and then backside says David? Okay, no, that's fine. What does the other side say?

[Gina]

The other side says tonight. This side's never gonna see the sun, though. It's always gonna say, not tonight.

[Emily]

Well, we're so wacky.

[Shannon]

Oh, my God, I'm having so much fun.

[Heather]

So Emily's like, I found something and.

[Gina]

It'S not tonight pillow. Hold on. It's a subway sandwich. It's hilarious.

[Emily]

Oh, by the way, if not tonight is supposed to reference me being an awful person, guess what? That's tonight. Because guess what? I have to tell you because it's on my mind. But Jen called me.

[Heather]

So we see Jen. A flashback of Jen calling Emily and. And saying that Katie said that the polygraph people were paid actors.

[Gina]

You know what, Jen? I get you. Not if you don't want to be dragged into Katie's whatever, that's fine. But going from your best friend on the show to immediately turning around and calling everyone on casting me. Well, here's what Katie said. And Katie. And Katie. Katie's accusing you guys. You're coming across as a real dick, Jen. And I'm actually surprised because I like Jen, but.

[Heather]

Well, if you don't want to be in the middle of it, then don't be in the middle of it.

[Gina]

Yeah, and stop calling everybody and putting yourself in the middle of it and staying in the middle of it, you ding dong.

[Heather]

Middle, middle.

[Gina]

You're a bad friend.

[Heather]

That's what you are.

[Gina]

I thought you were a better friend than this. You're choosing Gretchen over Katie.

[Heather]

Hey, Jen, did you go to Middlebury College? Because as far as I can tell, you're in the middle and you kind of look like a Berry. So there. So Emily is like.

[Emily]

She thinks it was like a setup. Like I planned all this, that I had time on my hands.

[Heather]

I mean, you literally put robes up. Like you put like blind. Like you put curtains up and set up two different polygraph rooms. You. And also set up a.

[Gina]

And threw a whole person New Year's version.

[Heather]

Who had the time? You had the time, Emily. I'm sorry. I'm sorry you had to put your Supreme Court court case to the side that you were trying, but yeah, I think you had the time here.

[Gina]

Oh, also in the interview that Matt did with Stu, he said, oh, please. Emily's like a mall cop lawyer.

[Emily]

Mall cop lawyers need love representation, too. Innocence Project.

[Gina]

So.

[Heather]

And so Gina's like, I mean, well.

[Shannon]

You know, who would think that is like, somebody who sets people up?

[Heather]

Okay, I don't think Katie was setting people up. I don't think Katie's Machiavellian like that. So Emily's like, well, and by the way, the person who set up Katie was Eugenia. Last year, when you told Katie to bring up the Heather stuff on camera, and then you totally backed off of it and was like, well, you gotta confront Heather. Otherwise I have to so long.

[Gina]

Well, you also said you're the set her upper. You also set her up by calling Kiku Monique to come all the way to Mozambique so you could have this discussion about something that had nothing to fucking do with you, and then helped Emily with her stupid lie detector test party. Give me a fucking break with the setup. And also, you know who else says that they were set up? People who were set up, you dummy.

[Heather]

Yeah, you dummy. And by the way, next time, why don't you go to Kiki? Monique, why'd you drag her all the way down to Mozambique? You should go up to Hollywood. Jeez, go to 13 like a real. Like a real lady would.

[Shannon]

So.

[Heather]

So then we go to more flashbacks. Okay, so we're back to the present. Emily's like, it just.

[Emily]

It wasn't a setup. Okay? Just tell the truth and you pass.

[Heather]

But, like, you guys all failed your polygraph test in some way, unfortunately, literally.

[Gina]

And she lied. So there you go.

[Heather]

So then she lied in her. In her. In her. In her. In her. In her life test, not her polygraph.

[Gina]

So Emily gets a ding. And she's like, oh, hi, Luke. And he's like, mama, let me take to go on a walk. And she's like, dad's not home. When he gets back, you can ask him. And he says, no, I'm doing it now. It's like, no, Luke.

[Shannon]

No, Luke.

[Emily]

Oh, my God.

[Gina]

He just woke up on me. I can't believe he's doing this.

[Emily]

He's trying to take the dog on a walk.

[Heather]

What does this mean about Luke?

[Emily]

He refuses to listen to dogs on the.

[Gina]

My son is taking the dog on a walk.

[Emily]

Do you know how difficult this is?

[Gina]

I can't with Kate. I cannot with Emily. Just can't. I'm sorry.

[Emily]

He refuses to go to school. And I'm like, I'm sorry. Like, I don't know what to do.

[Heather]

I'm like, what am I supposed to stop?

[Gina]

Just stay home all Day, not go to Florida. Lee.

[Heather]

Just stop answering the phone. If you know it's your kid to get a call every two seconds, just stop. Stop. I know you probably should answer the phone, but just don't. If it's an emergency, tell the kid how to leave a voicemail. So Emily's like, Lucas, very attached to me.

[Emily]

And if I leave the house, he gets so upset, and then I feel like I should just leave and go be with him. And then I think, is that the.

[Shannon]

Best thing for him?

[Emily]

So for me to just never do anything else.

[Heather]

You wonder why he talks like a baby. Maybe you should stop babying him. Okay. Drop him off.

[Gina]

Make him go to school.

[Heather]

Bye. See you later.

[Shannon]

Sucker.

[Gina]

Seriously. Or if he's not, hire a really stern tutor or something to be there at the house and make him do his work. Anyway. I mean, he's. He's taking off. Listen, I used to do it all the time. I would be like, I'm sick, mommy.

[Shannon]

I just want to be with you.

[Gina]

I did it all the time. So maybe that's. Maybe it's me projecting a little bit of my stuff onto this. But I'm like, come on, stop crying. Because your. Your son would rather not. You know who else would rather not go to school to hang out at home all day? Every kid.

[Heather]

Everyone.

[Gina]

Every kid.

[Heather]

Just grab him, put him in the car. Yeah.

[Gina]

Drop him. Drop. Kick him into the school.

[Heather]

I understand parenting is complicated, and especially if he is on the spectrum, there's like added. You know, there's added things to that. But also it sounds like you're babying your kid, and then you're like, he.

[Emily]

Talks like a baby.

[Heather]

He's very attached to me. Why does that happen? It's like, because from everything you've told us, it sounds like you're babying him. So, you know.

[Gina]

Yeah, you know, we've gotten.

[Heather]

Don't do that.

[Gina]

We've gotten some messages from people with autistic children or children on the spectrum and stuff like that. I'm not even commenting on that. I have no idea medically what's going on with the kid. Emily doesn't know yet either. You know, like her. She doesn't know yet. So that's all still up, up in the air. So I'm not like making fun of that or saying, here's how to deal with an autistic child or anything like that. I'm solely commenting on Emily's behavior. Like, to me, Emily's behavior is just so over dramatic. She's always crying about something. She's always turning something into some huge deal for tv. And from what we've just seen, the kid wants to take the dog for a walk. Like, I can't. I can't with you, Emily. Like, I'm not going to sit here and cry in a store over your kid wanting. Wanting to take the dog for a walk. Do you know how many parents are begging their kids to take the dog for a walk?

[Heather]

Yeah. Either way, it sounds like a difficult situation. So Emily is like, I just don't.

[Emily]

Know how to help him. I'm so lost.

[Shannon]

And you just like, I know. Like, where is Shane right now?

[Heather]

So I guess Shane had to go pick up Annabelle and he couldn't take Luke because Luke refused to go along as well. So Emily. And then he. Then he starts to FaceTime again, and.

[Emily]

She'S like, luke, can you please just chill for a minute till dad gets home, okay? I don't know what to do.

[Heather]

Listen, you say, luke, if you called me one more time, I am going to put on some Kenny G very loudly. And that's all you're gonna hear at home for the next seven days until you will go to school. Kenny G. The old. The old Kenny G. Be careful.

[Gina]

Be careful what you do. Because that kid could grow out his hair, start perming it and like, learning to play the electric flute or whatever the. That guy played.

[Heather]

Would it be so bad, so wrong, so wrong with that. It's not a terrible. Not a terrible fate for the kid.

[Gina]

So Emily is talking about how hard it is on her marriage because she wants to parent one way and Shane wants to parent another way, and they're going to get divorced over it. And, you know, it's. It's. All their. All of their energy is spent on Luke and Luke's need. And they're basically just roommates living on this house, navigating these kids. And you know what we call that? Some of us call that parenting. But she's like, there is no toy on this. He won't eat a sweet potato.

[Heather]

Here's what I don't. Here's what I did not love about this moment was when she said, like, we're getting to a point where we're going to end up divorced. Because I don't know how to parent Luke. He doesn't know how to parent Luke. And then we fight each other. If this kid sees this and if they do divorce, it's going to be met. That's not going to be good. Because the whole thing is that. Right? Like in divorce, you don't Want the kids to feel like it's their fault. And she's literally on TV saying, like, yeah, we're going to divorce because we don't know how to deal with this kid. This kid. I wanted the kid this way. He wants you to get this way. And we don't know what to do with Luke, so we're going to get divorced. I mean, like, this is not good to have on. On the permanent record. I would have to.

[Gina]

Yeah, I agree with you. I think that that's a good point. And that's my problem with Emily. It's the way she's navigating this whole thing with her kid. Whatever is going on with her kid, how Emily is handling it on TV is really, really bad for this kid's future. And, you know, you can make the argument for a lot of other housewives and how they've dealt with kid issues and stuff on this show. And I mean, I guess you could take that case by case, but in this case, it's Emily and she sucks at it.

[Heather]

It's.

[Gina]

It's really hard.

[Heather]

Yeah, I mean, I. I actually respect the transparency of it all. Like, I. Like, she is struggling with her kids, and I do want authentic things on this show, and I. I think that is an authentic, true pressure that she's feeling, and I think it is hard. Like all Snarka said, I think it's like, she's in a very hard situation because for whatever. For whatever. Whatever led to this point in their relationship with their child, like, that's just where they are now, and they're trying to deal with it. And so I enjoy the transparency of all of it all.

[Gina]

And.

[Heather]

And getting a peek into her personal struggles of what she's dealing with versus, like. Like, oh, I've got, like, a sandwich in my purse. But that being said, like, it's. It's one of those tough things where it's like, I want authenticity, but then you cringe that, like, what damage she might be doing in the long run to her. To her child, if any.

[Gina]

So then we go over to Katie and Matt and, oh, by the way, the ladies are crying in the store. Shannon's like, oh, honey, honey, come here.

[Shannon]

Can we just get a pillow that says go to school. Let's get that pillow.

[Gina]

Katie and Matt's house.

[Heather]

By the way. By the way, put the dog. Put the dog in the car. And next time Luke wants to walk the dog, you just trick. He goes into the car like, aha, guess what? Now you're going to help me pick up Annabelle, congratulations. Luke, just use the tools. Use the tools that you have. Use that dog to your.

[Gina]

I guess I just don't have that many options as a kid. It was like, ronnie, if you're gonna stay home, I have to leave. I'm not leaving you alone. We're getting your sister from school. I didn't get to be like, no, I don't want to, and then do whatever I want. I got a fly swatter to the head and shoved in the back of the car. Okay.

[Heather]

Like, there was no option. There was no option.

[Gina]

Get this, like, you know, I don't get it.

[Heather]

It's not like the please, please, will you get in the car? It was never. There was. There was not a single please ever. There was no, it was get in the car. You know, I mean, I was a good kid, so usually they didn't have to say things like my parents didn't have to say things. But, like, you know, there's. There's no option. It's just like your parents told you what to do and you did it.

[Gina]

Yeah, I mean, I didn't, but there were wars over it. It was never just like, do whatever you want, Ronnie.

[Shannon]

Sure.

[Gina]

So at Katie's house, she is sitting with Matt and they're talking about what a clusterfuck this all is. And I kind of feel for Matt because he's just like, oh, hi, my wife's home. And she's like, here's what's going on with the ladies. And you just see him, like, dying inside. He's like, oh, Jesus. So he's like, what is happening with Jen and Ryan pretending like they didn't hear it, you know, like, do you know how many three way calls I've been on with Ryan and Slade talking about what they told us at dinner? I mean, look at the amount of calls. So he shows his phone and he chose multiple calls from my spicy Asian with a little chili pepper thing on it. And apparently Katie entered her name as my spicy Asian on his phone. She said on X. Twitter. Twitter. And he's. And then we see some. We see a call from Slade. Hold on, let me see. I screenshotted it so I could.

[Heather]

Someone online screenshot it. Also that, like, Also that, like, Slade's texts were like, in case people are wondering about the authenticity of what Matt was saying. It was like, clearly, clearly Slade had sent Matt Tamara's IG story saying that she'd quit the show. So, like, definitely Slate was talking about Tamara in case there's anything calls thing.

[Gina]

So Slade called Matt Matt calls Slade and then Matt calls him back and then talks to Katie a couple of times and then calls Slade another couple of times and then Slade, there's a missed call from Slade. So I don't know what the damning thing is, except that the guys have been talking, you know, about it.

[Heather]

Like it was enough that, like, enough that like people needed to get on the phone and have it and have discussions. Like, like in a, in a, in a, in a, in a fury. And like, that does not seem like someone be like, oh, whatever, this is, this is stupid. This is, this is like no big deal. That, like, I think you have those big conversations if there's like a cover up. If it's like, what? No, like, like Gretchen never said that. Then it's like, oh, okay, like, whatever. It's just stupid. Tamara, she's just trying to stir up. But the fact that there's all this conversation, to me, this is a smoke and fire situation.

[Gina]

And Matt's like, well, 43 minutes on March 10th. I mean, just shooting the shit with Slade, really. Like, who wants it with?

[Heather]

How long can I talk about his crooked penis for? Yeah.

[Gina]

And he says, you don't think he's trying to manipulate this? I mean, 91 1, he puts on the phone, he essentially said, Gretchen is going to deny it and Katie needs to hold the line and stay with Gretchen. And I said, I got a hold of Katie. I told her what you told me and she'll stay with Gretchen. Okay. So that he originally agreed to go on the plan. We're going on this plan. So Katie's like, yeah, Slade alerted Mat about this whole naked wastage situation while we were in New Orleans. And I think he was trying to cover his tracks and he thought by telling Ryan and Matt he would control Jen and I. So God shows my brain scrambled. So Matt's like, yeah. And whenever I've hung out with Slade, he's. It's always him telling us how we started Housewives. And someone sent me a clip where he talks about, oh, if Joe's not on, then I'm not on. And then we see a flashback from the reunion in 2016 with Andy going, slade, can you understand why some people think you're embarrass media? And he's like, no, I mean, you should remember that after the second season, I made the decision not to continue on the Housewives. I made that decision. He's like, well, Joe wasn't a housewife anymore, so there was no place for you on the show. And Slade's like, Correct. Got such a douchebag.

[Heather]

I think Slade, I guess. Is Slade trying to imply that it was like he told Joe not to go back or something like that? Like, I don't know, like he is so stupid.

[Gina]

Like, no, implying that it was his. Like he was the main cast member and it was his decision not to come back on the show. He's so ridiculous. And we know this is true because when we met Slade 10 years ago, this is exactly what he was telling us as well. Oh, I created the Housewives and you know, this was all my idea. And he even told me, you know, I mean, if it wasn't for me, you guys wouldn't even have a job. Really? What would you be talking about? I mean, I started this whole thing like. Oh, okay, okay.

[Heather]

Yeah, Slade. Slade did. Sure.

[Gina]

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[Shannon]

Tv.

[Heather]

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[Gina]

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[Heather]

A Y F A I R.com Wayfair every style, every. Every home. Matt's saying, you know, every time we've ever been anywhere near Slayton, Gretchen. It's the same stories over and over and over and over again. And Katie's like, yeah, let's make you hate the person that we hate. Yeah, they're out to bury Tamra. Right? And, like. And then Jen just left you out to dry. Yes. And that's honestly the most hurtful part of all this is my dearest friend is like, I didn't hear it. And neither did Ryan and Matt's. Like, they were there. She's like, I just miss Jen. I know it's stupid. Jen, that is. She's very stupid. I know she's stupid, but I just do. I do. It feels stupid missing someone so stupid, but call me a stupid person. I miss her. I miss her.

[Gina]

And she's like, I just don't know. I didn't do anything to Jen. Why would she do this to me? I just can't figure it out because you keep trying to drag her into drama, and she doesn't want the drama. She doesn't want your drama. You know, Katie, ultimately, we've said it a million times. Ultimately, this is on you for going and telling a blogger in the first place or a podcast or. I don't know why you keep calling her a.

[Heather]

Well, also, there is a fable, there is a moral to this story. I mean, it is Boy who Cried Wolf, which is that, like, again, there's a few times earlier this season where Katie was caught in stupid lies that were inconsequential, but enough so that now when there's something big like this that happens, she just doesn't have credibility. And that's. That's kind of on her again. I'm team Katie. But, like, she's.

[Gina]

She's saying, like, I lied, but I only lied because they told me to lie, but now I'm not lying, but I. But I am kind of lying because I didn't tell Kiki. Minute. The other thing, it's too many things of, like, I'm lying, but I'm not lying, but I am lying, but I'm. But I wasn't lying, but I. But I'm lying now, but I'm not lying now, but I was lying.

[Heather]

Yeah, it's like, oh, well, I was recording you sham. But I only showed this, but I didn't say it. But, yes, I did do this. Or, yeah, it's like, it's too much.

[Gina]

So then we go to Jen and her sons are coming to beach Day, which is. I still find it so funny that she named her son Dawson. I don't know why. I just think it's so funny that Jen's like, I really love that guy. He was just so nice to Felicity.

[Heather]

Yeah, I. She probably did name him Dawson from that show.

[Gina]

Of course.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Gina]

Is Dawson even a name that people name people? Other than that, I don't think I've ever known another Dawson.

[Heather]

I'm thinking if I know any dos, I don't know any Dawsons. But, you know, to be fair, this is also the same show that gives us Chanel, Who's Heather's friend, spelled S, H, A, N, E, L. I'm sure. I'm shocked that Heather is friends with someone who misspelled Chanel. This is Chanel. She's the canal. Canal street version of Chanel because she's spelled with an S. I thought you'd.

[Gina]

Get along with Gina.

[Heather]

Pretty much. So they all. They're all gathering, and guess who Tamara has brought. She's brought Joe. So Joe is back again. Tamara's really trying to do the. You weaponize Joe. And it's not totally. It's sort of working. Not really, though. Not to the effect that she wants.

[Gina]

Yeah. Especially because the first time Gretchen saw Joe, she went up and gave her a hug and told her hi.

[Heather]

So it's like.

[Gina]

It doesn't seem to be working, but it's working better today because Gretchen sees Joe.

[Shannon]

She's like, why would she do that again?

[Gina]

And then just kind of gives her the cold shoulder.

[Heather]

Yeah. Yeah. So. And Tamara's like, whatever.

[Shannon]

Whoever my friends are, are my friends. I'm not here to please Gretchen Rousey.

[Heather]

So they're all gathering, and they all are gonna go play some. Some volleyball. Yeah.

[Gina]

Jen's like, my sons are here. They're gonna show it. They're gonna show us how to play volleyball. Okay, well, while they're teaching us volleyball, how about we teach them not to sign hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans for each other because their parents are nincompoops. Okay, about that.

[Heather]

That's a good.

[Gina]

Let's share some knowledge. Those poor kids. I was like, ron Dawson, run away.

[Heather]

So then Shannon's like, well, I am.

[Shannon]

Just gonna grab a piece of cheese instead of playing sports. Okay, okay, okay, I'll play.

[Heather]

I'll play. So it's volleyball and it's fun times. And they're all. They're all doing it. They're all talking about, like, I'm Sporty Spice. I'm Posh Spice. I am Posh Spice. Okay. How hilarious. I'm just your best friend, Heather Debro. Posh Spice.

[Gina]

So, Emily. That was Emily's big joke in here. I forgot.

[Emily]

What is it? Disheveled Spice.

[Gina]

Shannon is Disheveled Spice. Please get Emily off this show. I don't know how many times I need to beg you people. Get her off my. Get her off of this show.

[Heather]

It's done.

[Gina]

I can't.

[Heather]

So. So then they all sit down, and then Jen has provided them all gifts, and they all open up their boxes, and it's like supermarket croissants. Like, small. The small size ones, too. Mini croissants. And she goes, well, I'm on a budget.

[Gina]

And Gretchen just goes, what's the point of this?

[Heather]

They don't even know what to do with the croissant.

[Gina]

Responsible.

[Emily]

I love it.

[Heather]

So Heather is like, okay, everyone, something really cool happened. I went to a bakery and had a full size croissant much better than this one. So I just want to say I've been out in the world. Thank you, everyone. Thank you so much. Thank you.

[Gina]

Well, I did order it and stare at it, and then I left it alone. So that was fun. But I actually. Huge. Go ahead, Ben.

[Heather]

I was gonna say I loved this story that Heather had to say because it had a twist that somehow. Well, I'll explain, everyone. Katerina, Katarina got into so many schools. She got into Emerson. She got into Chapman. She got into UT Austin, but won her dream school. The school that was so hard for her to get into was usc. Shannon, did you hear that? Usc. She really wanted to get into usc, and she was.

[Shannon]

Oh, usc. Oh, wow. I have no poll. It's a very exclusive school.

[Heather]

It's very, very difficult to get into. So good luck getting it well, she got into yell. Just going to yell instead. I love that because it was like puffing up Shannon to be like, your school is the amazing school, the grail school that we all want to get our children into. And then Shannon gets all excited and is like, oh, yes, usc. And Heather's like, I'm gonna one up you now yell Sorry. Haha.

[Gina]

Well, actually, what kind of cracked me up is that Shannon. Shannon's attitude when she said that cracked me up because she goes, you know what her dream school is? Usc. And Shannon goes, I have no pull. Like, don't even fucking ask me. I'm not going to the bat for your fucking daughter, dude. Bro. Okay, I still have your monologue running through my head every single night before I go to sleep. If you ever come for me or my family, she's like, I've got no pole. Please don't ask me. And she's like, don't need it. She's going somewhere better. Yeah. Oh, she's not going to be going to University of Spoiled Children. That's still a good one. Shut up, Billy Dodge. You're also running in my head every night before I go to sleep. That woman.

[Heather]

It's also, by the way, it's such a strange, like, selection of colleges to choose from. Like Chapman, Yale, Utah, Austin. It's no shade to any of the schools, but just. It's sort of like all over the map in terms of, like, different types of schools and different tiers of schools. I just, I don't. I don't think that there was ever any serious consideration about those other schools. I think it was always going to be Yale. And I think Heather wanted to, like, seem like a little humble. And I just. I just love the rope. A dope on Shannon on this one because it's like, I just feel like she. She lifted Shannon up into thinking like her school was like the one. It was the reach. It was so hard, it was out of place and it's just like, oh, no. But she got into a much, much, much harder school. So, yeah, I'm living your school behind in the dust.

[Gina]

Am I surprised that Kat got into Yale? Absolutely not. Kat is just one of those kids who are all better than Shannon's kids. And am I sad that she's going across the country?

[Shannon]

Of course.

[Gina]

Am I glad that she's going to be away from the influence of Shannon?

[Shannon]

Of course.

[Gina]

But, you know, I'm thrilled for her and I'm thrilled that Shannon got to go to her lesser school all those years ago.

[Heather]

And I'M so happy for the kids that do get to go to usc, whether through their own merits or through the Felicity Huffman style of getting into usc. I'm happy for them, but my kid's going to yell.

[Shannon]

Well, I'm gonna say I got some good news, too. Sophia's got a first boyfriend. I think he ate somebody. It was in the lyrics of the song she wrote.

[Heather]

Oh, and did he go to Yale? I'm sorry, I'm still in my yell moment here, and you're trying to one up it with a boyfriend. And my daughter got into a world class institution, but that's okay.

[Gina]

Sorry, I said Yale, not yell.

[Shannon]

Okay, well, if I could tail end on that. Sophie met a guy and she really started to fall for him, and last night he ended it, and she was in tears, so she flew.

[Heather]

I'm like, why are you crying over Sophie's, like, fling? She's sitting here crying and she's like.

[Shannon]

So she flew in for the weekend and she's gonna come here pretty soon. So I'm excited for you to see her. I'm really, really excited for you to see her because I think, as we all know, nothing makes us feel better than seeing the youth of America be heartbroken. Oh, I'm so glad to put a tail end button on this flood of good news about our children.

[Gina]

Sophie got dumped, so that's been really rough on both of us.

[Heather]

Oh, sort of the way USC got dumped by Katarina when she chose Yale. A better option. Right?

[Gina]

Right.

[Heather]

Shannon, this was so good.

[Gina]

She's like, so Sophie just got dubbed and Heather goes, oh, this is a good news Friday. And they're like, heather, Jesus. And she goes, no, I mean, it's good news that she's coming to visit her mom. That's what I meant. Everything Heather says today, you're like, what the fuck is going on with Heather? Well, this is good news.

[Heather]

This is good news. Two broken hearts come together and become one full heart. That's great news. Or they're just two broken hearts all in. Just two heart pieces on the floor. Either way, my daughter's going to Yale.

[Gina]

I'm so happy to hear someone from an inferior school was heartbroken. Katarina will know that she made the right decision. She'll know.

[Heather]

Well, I'm. I'm sure Sophie has many more beautiful options from the men that she met when she was going to Princeton, for instance.

[Shannon]

Ah, no, she. She went to. I think she went to a school in Texas. Oh.

[Heather]

Oh, sorry. I guess it's my daughter who's going to an Ivy League school.

[Shannon]

Not.

[Heather]

Not yours. Apologies.

[Gina]

I'm sorry. I was thinking of Ivy League Sophie's More bowling league. Okay, let's get to that. Was he a bowler? Was this guy a bowler?

[Heather]

I. Oh, sorry. Shannon, Ivy League is not a nursing school league where they teach you how to put in IVs. Sorry, sorry. I know that some of your other children here are on that path.

[Gina]

So Tamara's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I.

[Shannon]

Mean I get that. Breakup's good news, huh?

[Gina]

And she goes, good news Friday. Say something good. Okay, Shannon's miserable as usual. So who else has something else? And Emily's like, oh, Shane's dad came home from the hospital. So that was good. We pulled lie detector test on him. Turns out he was lying about being sick in the first place.

[Shannon]

Motherfucker.

[Gina]

I made him eat eight figs.

[Emily]

Well, he had a severe liver infection, but he's doing well and he's coming home today.

[Gina]

And then gathered the whole family and did a strip tease for him. I will never forget Emily's first season of like, Shane doesn't find me sexually attractive. So I'm going to do a strip tease school for his father in Las Vegas.

[Heather]

For the.

[Gina]

That thing was.

[Heather]

Well, no, because she was gonna do a striptease for Shane, but then Shane backed out, but his parents went instead.

[Gina]

So she did it for her father in law and her mother in law.

[Heather]

Oh God, she should have been gone after that. Let's. Let's be honest. She's. Whatever. So Emily's like, I have not seen.

[Emily]

Shane cry many times in our 16 year relationship. But as that being ill and dealing with Luke and Luke's needs, it was just way too much at one time for us. So first dad to come home. It makes me happy.

[Heather]

It's a win, you know, make no would be a really good good news Friday. The new cast for season 19 of this show, season 20 of the show and Emily's not in it. That's good news Friday.

[Gina]

Yeah, replace her with Perry. That's what I say.

[Shannon]

So she was like, okay, I'm not good news. Did a character counts award this morning for being the kindest little girl in a clear. So that was nice. She showed up and gave everybody aspirin and a Mediterranean cookbook.

[Heather]

We're really having diminishing returns on this good news Friday. I'm not, I'm not gonna lie. Like I, I guess coming home from the hospital, that's good news. But I think.

[Gina]

Are there just.

[Heather]

I just want. We need to work on this good News. I'm just like your daughter getting kind of little girl in her class. That's nice, I guess. But do you. Do you personally have good news in your life? Like, not your daughter's life? So Joe's like, well, my husband and I, Taryn, have officially decided to try and have a baby. 44 and trying. Here we go. Oh, great. So I GUESS in about 23, 20 years or so, or 18 years, that baby will be applying and not getting into Yale. I'm so happy for you.

[Gina]

I'm so excited for you to ask Shannon for contacts to that inferior us.

[Heather]

Whatever university of spoiled and also stupid children. Right, Shannon? Right elbow nudge.

[Shannon]

Hi, everybody.

[Gina]

I'm Britt. I'm here, too. So my good news is going to be really good news every day, not just Friday, because Matt's here. And I could not imagine my life without Matt or Skits in my life or even my life. And it was just a really scary moment because he almost let me back and. But he is still here.

[Shannon]

He's still here. Chad's like, oh, it is just so.

[Gina]

Amazing, the relationship that you two have.

[Shannon]

Wow.

[Gina]

Wow.

[Shannon]

Someone can stand Gina.

[Gina]

That is just incredible. Do you take any kind of drugs or do you just.

[Shannon]

You use earplugs? What do you. How do you do it? How do you do it? You know, I always told David, you know, even though we are partying, I would love to have a good relationship with whoever is new in your life. So next time you're walking on the beach with some slut, invite her up. I would. I would love to look at her slutty fakes and her slutty outfit and see, this is who you left me for. And then I'd serve her some quinoa.

[Gina]

Well, guys, I've got good news, too. Thank you so much for giving me the time, by the way. And thank you so much for everybody not eating your croissants in front of me and waiting till you get home. But, you know, Tamara and I sat down and we had a conversation. And this woman who has been nothing but vile to me now for two years, I've forgiven while not forgiving Katie, who's done nothing to me. So can I get a round of applause?

[Shannon]

That would be great.

[Gina]

Thank you, guys. Thank you so much.

[Heather]

She's also wearing her own tracks. It's all good, everyone. Her own track. Oh, well, now she's wearing a croissant. Okay, well, you know, baby steps.

[Gina]

Oh, yeah. This hair is just. It's hanging off me, girl. Do you have any Extras. Tamara. I'll take it. Isn't that hilarious? Isn't this so fun? Well, the question is, what do we do? And points to Tamara and Gretchen. What do we do with you two?

[Shannon]

And Gretchen's like, well, I keep asking the girls, should Tamara and I just talk? Or, like, do you think we need a meditator? Like, what do we need to do? I don't need a meditator. I'm just confused because I asked you, do you ever say that you had to go to the hospital and you said yes? No, I don't remember saying that. And if I did, then I misspoke.

[Gina]

Oh, you misspoke when you said, that's funny. I did have to go to the hospital because I just felt so sick.

[Heather]

But, like, you literally said, yeah, I mean, I misspoke.

[Gina]

While we're excoriating liars, can we kick her out? Kick her out.

[Heather]

Oh, I just misspoke. I just misspoke. Which, by the way, also, to be fair, lesson to Katie, next time, just say you misspoke. It's the oldest trick in the book. Oh, well, I misspoke.

[Gina]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Just do it as, like, fake accountability. Yeah, you're technically taking accountability, but you're actually.

[Gina]

I didn't leave the show. I'm just spending some time with my family.

[Heather]

But I'll be back.

[Gina]

So Gretchen's. So Tamara's like, yeah, you know, what the hell?

[Shannon]

You said yes. Okay. She didn't misspoke. Misspeak. Whatever. You said English is stupid. Okay, I don't even know. You told me in New Orleans you went to the hospital, so which one is it?

[Gina]

And Gretchen's like, no, that's not what happened.

[Shannon]

I did not go to the hospital. I remember saying that I was so sick that night that I probably shouldn't. Should have gone to the hospital, but that was the extent of it.

[Gina]

And then we see a flashback of her, you know, lying. And so then Tamara is like, well.

[Shannon]

Katie said Slade and Matt called Matt. Wait, Katie said Slade called Matt and said, we can't talk about this. What about that? I'm gonna start nodding my head very quickly. What about that? What about it?

[Heather]

And Gretchen's like, that's not true.

[Shannon]

Like, that's not what happened. Okay, you can call Slade. And Tim's like, so she'. That, too. No. Well, she's been lying about a lot of things, Tamara. And, like, it's literally crazy that you think that.

[Gina]

Yeah. So you're. You're lying.

[Heather]

Liar.

[Gina]

So then they go. Is this where they go talk by Themselves. Yeah. So they go to talk alone and everybody's watching them. And Jen's like, oh, my God, she looks so fiery. Why does she bring Joe? Is she really good friends with Joe? I don't really get it. And Gina's like, whoa.

[Shannon]

But that's not the spirit of good news. R. Well, y'. All.

[Gina]

Well, maybe if Tam. Maybe Tamara doesn't have any other friends. I mean, it's Tamara.

[Heather]

So Tamara's like, you know what, Gretchen?

[Shannon]

I don't understand why my name keeps getting brought up. Just. I'm out of all people you could bring, like, why do you bring Joe? Does it bother you that she's here? I mean, it's more about, like, what your intent is.

[Gina]

No, I'm sorry. It's intense.

[Heather]

Intense. Intense intent.

[Shannon]

You're intense. You think I'm better here to go last year. What? Well, I just. I just think that maybe not bringing the person who is maybe a Slate's ex is the best thing. Because we've had issues, you know, with Slade's exes. And she goes, oh, I didn't even call that cheap with it. I miss it's not some girl you say or whatever. I had nothing to do with that. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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[Gina]

Yeah. So Gina's like, oh, my God.

[Shannon]

Gretchen was at timber sweating.

[Gina]

Was she a bridesmaid? As if they didn't watch every episode of this show before they came on. And Heather's like, no, but I was a bridesmaid. It was interesting. I still smell Vienna sausages being passed around.

[Shannon]

Is that a weird memory? Team, let me ask you this. Do you feel any remorse for anything? When you said that I was cheating.

[Heather]

On gf and obviously flashbacks of Tamara with her, like, gumdrop hairstyle back then, where it was like, hair that would, like, have a plateau.

[Gina]

Gumdrop hairstyle. Wait, what'd you say? I didn't mean to cut you off. I thought it was.

[Heather]

No, because her hair, it was like. It was, like, flat on top, and then it would, like, cascade down and go, like, a little wider. It was like she had, like, a. Like, a blonde hair gum drop on her head. It was that look for a while in Orange County. It started, like, season one and lasted through season, like, 14.

[Shannon]

I saw you sitting on the Cosmopolitan, but does that mean I'm having an affair on Jeff? Well, you kissed him, and Jeff is in the hospital. So when you go and sleep a deadbeat Ned.

[Heather]

And then we see the deadbeat dad thing.

[Gina]

I'm sorry, Gretchen, but Slade was a deadbeat dad. Okay, so I pulled this up from the ever so trustworthy People magazine, which I think that's pretty trustworthy in this. In this. In this world. Right. Let's see here. Where is it the mom? Basically, the mom is saying that there was. In terms of child support, Smiley owes $152,655.27, according to a court order obtained by People at the time. So what does that mean? If he owed 152 grand according to court orders, and he didn't pay it, wouldn't that make him a deadbeat dad? I'm extremely confused about how we're defining this now. The mother also told people she created a gofundme to help with cost for Grayson's memorial, as well as to pay for his existing medical bills. She received donations from the two judges. Two judge. Sorry. Two teas and a pod. Co hosts Slaying. Gretchen can keep the money that rightfully belonged to my child, but they cannot shamefully capitalize on his sweet memory, as I will no longer permit it. And in death, I will be his voice. She said, enough is enough. So I don't know, if you don't want that being spread around, then talk to that lady and the court or the court papers that says that Slade owed that much money literally don't care.

[Heather]

And I think at this point, it's such old news, and the fact that Gretchen's bringing it up is so stupid. So Gretchen is like.

[Shannon]

She's like, you literally started saying these things from, like, from the very get go, making accusations that, like, weren't even true. And she's like, yeah, but there were articles about him not paying child support. So I mentioned it. Like, now there's no articles about my.

[Heather]

Like, why do you guys keep talking about Slade and the child support? Like, it's. It's been years. Like, we all know, like, Smiley has.

[Gina]

Faced multiple court orders for child support with his ex partner Michelle, claiming he owed blah, blah, blah, reporting. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know. You.

[Heather]

What we do know. Here's what we do know is that. What we do know is that the heart of all this, every single one of thing, everything is slayed. It's always. Because then Tamara's like, well, you have to.

[Shannon]

Have to remember that 13 years ago, Slade was on stage calling me fat.

[Heather]

And then we see him doing his stand up where he's like, you know.

[Emily]

If B.F. goodrich issued a press release.

[Heather]

Said that Tamara Barney is replacing the.

[Shannon]

Michelin man as their mascot.

[Gina]

Like, okay, yeah. And then, God, he was just hilarious, wasn't he? And this is a problem because we.

[Shannon]

Go back and forth. Okay, so let me start with this. But you don't even. Let me tell Christian. Okay, then. But let me start with this. I can't talk about it. Well, let me start with this. I can't talk. But I'm just saying, let me start because I'm sorry for reaching out to your daughter. It's like, oh, okay, you can stop that. You start. You said, I'm sorry. I did that because I did. I know that it hurt you, and that was not my intent at the time.

[Heather]

And so then over at the table.

[Shannon]

Shouts like, well, I hope that Gretchen can get to the point where I am, which is I. I just have total indifference to Tamara. Like, I'm. I am so indifferent. Like, when I see Tamara, do I get angry?

[Heather]

Nope. Do I yell at her? Nope. Do I want to throw little cubes.

[Shannon]

Of cheese at her forehead?

[Heather]

Nope. Because I. I want to have those for myself.

[Shannon]

I am totally different, Shannon. Indifferent Bedor. That's what I'm known for. Being indifferent and not emotional. I don't.

[Gina]

Yeah, but I feel like you go back and forth because in New Orleans, you're friendly and you guys go to a bar, but then in my house, you're indifferent. What is it, Shannon?

[Heather]

But it must be difficult for you to talk the line of having fun with someone you have history with. And it's like, wait a minute. I gotta be smart and protect myself. I get that. I'm a person of the people. It's easy for me. Television's other to proceed.

[Gina]

So then back to the other two. Gretchen's like, well, I was hoping that.

[Shannon]

You could come to the table and say, gretchen, I'm sorry I got involved. And she's like, well, we haven't even gotten there, Gretchen, because you won't let me talk. Let me talk about something. Okay, I'm gonna talk now. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. That's not anything to do with what we're talking about. Let me see what. That was my turn to talk.

[Heather]

So Tamara's saying that.

[Shannon]

She's like, I did not call him.

[Heather]

A deadbeat dad, which, of course, she basically did. And Gretchen's like, yeah, what you talked about in your podcast is the same as calling him that. Like, that was the intent of it and everything.

[Shannon]

She's like, well, offensive. I can't control what gets put on the podcast. I put together all of our headlines. I have. I stitches together all the words that I say. I can't help it. I just. They say they had me walk in and they had me do the entire phonetic Alphabet, and then they just type out the entire podcast. It's not my fault.

[Gina]

That was so crazy blaming I heart. It was literally on your podcast. What are you talking about? And so Gretchen's like, well, you could say you don't want to talk about it. She's.

[Shannon]

Why would I do that? I don't like you, Gretchen. Okay, do you want to move forward or not? She's like, well, yeah, I want to move forward, but I can't dwell on the past, Gretchen. Okay? I can't obsess with the past. You're so obsessed with me. Hi, Joel. Hi, Joel.

[Heather]

So, yeah, I know, right?

[Gina]

Right.

[Heather]

So, so Tamara's like, yeah, what's it.

[Shannon]

Going to take for you to let things go? And Gretchen's like, okay, I'm not gonna let go. Like what you did, cuz that caused like so much pain and it hurt to both like Slee and I in our lives. Because like, like when you put out that Slate is a deadbeat dad, like when Slate tries to get work and help us support his family and to help his son back in the day, people would just like, google it and look it up and be like, slate is a deadbeat dad.

[Heather]

Like, I actually guarantee what stopped Slade's employment opportunities even more was the stand up clip that we just showed. That they just showed. And him calling Vicky Miss Piggy. And also just his general behavior on the Real Housewives of being awful as he's been awful all of us.

[Gina]

Yeah, he's gross. He's a gross person.

[Heather]

Because if you do a search, if you do a search for Slade Smiley, you're gonna find a million comments and a million items and a million articles talking about how, ugh, no one likes Slate Smiley. Everyone's like, oh, get rid of Slate Smiley Smith. Slate Smiley is gross. Slade Smiley is disgusting. That is what's affecting the employment opportunities. So.

[Gina]

And back in your day, you were saying that you wouldn't marry Slade because he had too much debt and all this other stuff that was going on and he wasn't working. So Slate has never been working. You've known him. So why are we pretending that Slade was this like, rich guy with a job when that hasn't happened since season two? So I don't know.

[Heather]

He also, like, he, he basically gave up like, corporate life to, to follow fame. Right? He started trying to be an actor or trying to do standup and comedy, and then he's like, shocked that he can't just, like, insert himself right back into, like, the corporate world.

[Gina]

Or has he even.

[Heather]

Maybe. I don't know. I mean, I, I may have all my facts jumbled up, but I, I can't imagine the deadbeat. The deadbeat element is, is the only thing that's preventing him from getting work. That's what I'm.

[Gina]

Yeah. And also, if anybody looks it up, it wasn't just Tamara saying he was a deadbeat. It was because he wasn't paying his child support. There were multiple court orders against him. So I mean, it's like, that's also searchable, Gretchen. So. And I can't believe you're making me stand up for Tamra. But like, seriously, my God, you're with Slade. And Slade is the ultimate worst on even started all this that they're fighting about right now. You know, Slade has always been a problem and he's always going to be a problem. He got you fired the first time and he's going to get you fired the second time.

[Heather]

So. So Gretchen, when Gretchen said like that Slade has not been able to get work because of what Tamara said, Tamara.

[Shannon]

Goes, wait, so I stopped him from getting jobs.

[Heather]

Yeah, I wasn't aware of that at that point. Tamara's like, I won. I did it. I won. This war. I can forgive now I don't. We can. We can put down our swords.

[Shannon]

Well, sor that I won this argument years ago. Some years ago. Stupid. Okay, come on. I'm sorry. I'm going to put my knees up against your knees. Okay, now listen to your question. We're like sisters, right, Gretchen? Now we good friends. I love you so much. I'm so glad we're friends now, Gretchen. Can't wait to wave your hand comb and brush in. Tell you how much I love you. Gretchen. We best friends, man. I don't want what I said to affect your life in any sort of way. Gretchen needs to talk touch knees to knees touching. Okay. We love each other now.

[Heather]

And Gretchen's like, but it still is.

[Shannon]

And like we're. We're gonna work through all of it then. And I'm gonna. I'm willing to work. Move forward.

[Heather]

And basically they agree that they're going to move forward and they're going to be friends. And now they're going to hold hands and come back to the table.

[Gina]

Wait a minute.

[Emily]

Hell just froze over.

[Gina]

Pigs are flying. Pigs in a blanket out of my person into my mouth.

[Emily]

Wacky Emily.

[Shannon]

Well, look at that. Now I'm gonna be the. Of the group. I guess I'm gonna be the one holding onto a grudge for Tamara.

[Heather]

I'm like, that's exactly right. You thought that was not a consideration. Yeah, Shannon. Shannon makes it about her. But to be fair, she's also making it about her because she knows like ultimately everything that Tamara is doing is part of like a larger war against Shannon. So aggression is just a pawn in that. Yeah.

[Gina]

So she's like, wow.

[Shannon]

Well, if Shannon and Gretchen want.

[Gina]

I mean, sorry, if Jen and Gretchen. If Gretchen and Jen want to resolve multiple years of issues with Tamara in a 10 minute conversation and then skip.

[Shannon]

Along the beach like five year old sluts, then that's Fine. I've been there, and I've. I've done the skipping off, too.

[Gina]

I. I'm not gonna do it anymore.

[Shannon]

Hoop. Hoop. Hold on. Let me make my lips into the hoop noise. Oh, so you made up. Oh. Oh. Is this step one, or are there going to be multiple steps of making up?

[Heather]

Or are you guys just gonna say.

[Shannon]

That you're good and put a band aid over it and. And. And just isolate me in the group and make me look like the. And run me off the show because I just want to prepare myself mentally. Thanks so much. Thank you.

[Gina]

To good news Friday. We're taking step one in going to Yale.

[Heather]

The producer's like, do you think it's gonna last?

[Shannon]

No, I don't think it's gonna last.

[Emily]

And I was like, their relationship is like, what my career on this show should have been. Two weeks shelf life. That's it.

[Gina]

So now poor Sophie arrives at the beach. Her mother has just told everybody that she got dumped. So, of course, Emily comes in with the softest hand. So before you go, I hear Shannon told us you got dumped by a hottie. Sorry, St. Stupid blanket.

[Emily]

In the spirit of it takes a village, you're here with all your wise elders and the very elders, Shannon. Anyway, we're gonna help you out of it because we're gonna tell you all our worst breakup stories, and we're gonna start with Gina.

[Gina]

Your mother's got five from just last week alone.

[Heather]

Yeah, I don't know if. I don't know if Sophie needs the worst breakup stories. I mean, she's. She's. She. Her mom's Shannon.

[Gina]

Yeah, she's had enough breakup stories.

[Heather]

Geez, she has perspective.

[Gina]

Just gives the kid the croissants in a box.

[Heather]

I know, right? So she was like.

[Shannon]

Well, I would say the limit was breakup story was like, my divorce. But, like. Like, it all landed where it was supposed to. And Tim was like, yeah, okay, Joe, what was your worst breakup story? That dude slayed up. Sorry.

[Heather]

And James, Joe's like, like, yeah, you don't want to know my story. And we see the flashback of her and slave breaking up in therapy.

[Gina]

And now there's like. Well, I was in middle school once, and I had a boyfriend, and he broke up with me on a soccer field with this whole posse of guys. By the way, he's gay now and has never worked in the industry. It's humiliating. Mostly for him.

[Heather]

Yes. I was standing there on the fields of Horace Greeley High School being dumped by a gay man, and I thought, how Sad for you because I'm gonna grow up and be wealthy, sending my child to Yale, and you're just gonna be a gay in New York who somehow doesn't make it on Broadway. How terrible.

[Gina]

I remember I was so obsessed with this wrestler, and he had a Bronco, and I loved his hair so much that I got tracks to look just like his hair. And I just. I mean, he had a Bronco, and Heather's like, I mean, the Bronco alone. What is a Bronco?

[Heather]

Oh, Terry and I just bought. Bought one of those. We. We just actually bought one of those. Football team. God, I'm so impressed you dated someone with the football team. Also.

[Gina]

So I went to a house party, and I was like, you know, it's a small town, so we're just gonna have sex. Oh, that's what happens when you. When you're from a small town. I'm from a small town, too. That's what we do, too. Big townspeople don't have sex like that, but in small towns, we do.

[Shannon]

Wait, so you had sex? You had. You had sex with, like, a wrestler? Sophie, do not listen to this whatsoever. And she's like, yes, yes. And then, you know, he had his friend take me home.

[Heather]

And, you know, then I had sex with a friend, and then I was.

[Shannon]

Like, do you think he still likes me?

[Heather]

And then the friend was like, I don't know. So it was a really great night for both of us.

[Shannon]

Sophia. Okay, Sophie, you can go home now. Don't listen to. Don't listen to Auntie Jen anymore. Thanks, Sophie. I had a boyfriend back in the 80s. He was so hot and everything, and they dumped me. He had a girlfriend stuff, so I had to get to his ass. So I went to his ass, and I got his favorite leather jacket, and I stabbed it with a knife. I kept stabbing it, stabbing it. I said, fuck you. Fuck that fucker. And then I was leaving out the garage, and I was standing there with the knife still held above my head. And he opened the garage and he drove away because he saw me standing there with a knife. It was so funny. It was so funny that I kept my hairstyle from that day for next 20 years of my life.

[Heather]

So then Jen loved gum traps. So Jen's like, you showed him. And, like, so they're all just, like, laughing.

[Shannon]

And Channing goes, you know, someday, Sophie, you're gonna sit at a table and you're gonna laugh about your breakup stories with another group of toxic women, too. Here's to Sophie getting kicked out of a party one day for lying about something. Everybody, good news Friday.

[Heather]

And then we got the mid season trailer which featured 0 Katie so it looks like she is done and done. Katie did say that she will be going to the reunion but I think that's it for Katie for the regular episodes. She's done.

[Gina]

Yeah. Looks like that's a wrap on Katie but the rest of the season still looks insane. So let's see. Of course the Gretchen and Tamra truce lasts about five minutes as we all suspected. So I guess we'll see. We'll see where it goes. You know what?

[Heather]

We'll see everyone, thank you so much for being here and we will catch you on the next episode. Bye everyone.

[Gina]

Bye.

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