#2994 Crappy Hour 9-8-2025: RHOC Mess

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #2994 "Crappy Hour 9-8-2025: RHOC Mess"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: September 9, 2025
Theme: A lively and irreverent deep dive into the latest Bravo headlines, with a particular focus on the layered drama surrounding "Real Housewives of Orange County" (RHOC), recent Housewives gossip, and the blurring lines between fans, bloggers, podcasters, and production.

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Overview

Ben and Ronnie bring their signature wit to this Crappy Hour, dissecting Bravo news, pop-culture crossover moments, and providing an in-depth (and comedic) analysis of the tangled RHOC gossip chain. The episode is peppered with personal anecdotes, listener questions, and mockery of the housewives’ antics, as the pair gleefully mock, praise, and ponder the behind-the-scenes machinery powering reality TV drama.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Personal Catch-Up and Bravo Dread

• [03:17] Hosts banter about their weekends
  • Ronnie jokes about his "porn stash" shaving mishap; Ben details hosting his parents and avoiding Bravo dread.
  • Ben: "I love my mom's withering opinions on the Real Housewives." [05:17]
  • Ronnie jokes about how much he slept: "God, I just love to sleep. It's a problem." [03:50]

Bravo Headlines Roundup

• [06:33] Bravo News and Human Interest
  • Karen Huger Out of Jail: "I would like to congratulate the prison for getting rid of Karen. Because you know that she had to be making them effing crazy." – Ronnie [07:10]
  • Carl Radke’s Bar Soft Opening: Ben & Ronnie lampoon Carl’s new non-alcoholic bar in Williamsburg ("Soft"), comparing its vibe to a "student center" or WeWork. Ronnie, on the minimalist decor: “It looks like the, the little room in the Hyatt Place that you get snacks. You know, it’s just, it’s…” [13:06]
  • Concerns about Carl’s appearance post-Lindsay relationship are humorously linked to Ronnie’s own story about a neighbor’s misdirected sprinkler weathering his windows, paralleling the metaphor of Carl being "weathered." [10:23]

RHONJ Rumors

• [15:49] Is Teresa Out? Casting Speculation
  • Ronnie runs through rumors about filming, alleged test scenes without Teresa, and Bravo’s history of reacting to fan outcry. Ben argues: "I just don’t think that Bravo is dropping Teresa. She’s unsinkable." [19:12]
  • Both agree Teresa’s fan base is too fierce to risk: "Let me tell you what will scare them. Teresa. Fans of Teresa doesn't come back, because Teresa Fans will firebomb NBCUniversal. They'll do it. They'll do it." – Ronnie [18:53]

Wedding Gossip: Alexia Umansky & Zingerman Nuptials

• [23:07] RHOBH Family Milestones
  • Amusing speculation about the groom’s family: “He must be rich, because otherwise, why would you marry somebody whose last name is Zingerman?” – Ronnie [23:09]
  • "Mama Zingerman looks like she already cannot stand Kyle at all." – Ben [24:43]

Housewives Social Media Subtext

• [28:52] Photo drama
  • Debate over Kyle’s Instagram picture excluding Dorit and Sutton ("Fox Force 4"). Ronnie: "Don’t act like the one picture you post of your friends… you just leave out Dorit on accident. Ma’am. How dare you." [29:31]

The Valley Feud: Brittany Cartwright, Boyfriend, Gigi (GG from Shahs), and Social Media Accusations

• [30:23] Body Shaming Accusation
  • Ronnie and Ben break down the Instagram dustup: GG accuses Brittany of doing a pregnancy reveal due to hand placement, Kristen steps in, and Brittany rebuffs body shaming on her podcast.
  • "Even I know not to do that, Gigi. I mean, come on." – Ronnie [34:06]
  • "You never ask if someone's pregnant. You let them offer that." – Ben [34:06]

Pop Culture Crossovers: Carol Radziwill, Harry Styles, and RFK Jr.

• [34:48] Cinderella moment & Kennedy tangents
  • Ben reads a clickbait story about Harry Styles rescuing Carol Radziwill's dress; Ronnie riffs on Kennedy family oddities and medical conditions. Lighthearted, tangential, and deeply crappens-y.

Top Chef Casting

• [38:27] Craig & Madison as Judges
  • Ben is bemused at Craig’s credentials: "Craig, as a judge on Top Chef, I'm just not sure I'd buy that one… this tastes a lot like trying to make a relationship work and buying a ring and just, like, not being loved in return." [39:04]
  • Ronnie recalls Craig’s abysmal grilling skills.

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Deep Dive: RHOC "Kiki Monique" Scandal Breakdown

The Central Drama

• [41:44] Confusing Gossip Web – The episode’s heart is Ben and Ronnie attempting to map out the “who told what to whom” of the RHOC Gretchen-roofied-by-Tamra story and the fallout for content creators.
  • Kiki Monique (influencer/content creator) allegedly shares info that Katie, a new cast member, told her about Gretchen being roofied.
  • Katie now claims she never said this to Kiki, suggesting Sheena (Vanderpump Rules) was the original source, due to her friendship with Gretchen.
  • Tamra is painted as the true mastermind who weaponized the story.
  • Quote, Ronnie: "I need a pen, I need a whiteboard, basically..." [45:00]
  • Ben: "I just think this is, it's, it's, it's ridiculous that she's losing her, her income because of this stupid lie. When people have lied about far worse and have done far worse on this show." [45:31]

Journalistic Hypocrisy & Content Creator Ethics

• [48:25] Blogger-Podcaster wrangling
  • Ronnie on Dave Quinn (People): "You can't be tattletailing to all the housewives. I Demand integrity. So all of you are wrong. All of you. And it sucks that the person who's the most wrong in this, Tamra, is the one that's winning. You bunch of dummies. You gave Tamra a win. You gave Tamra a clean win." [54:26]
  • Ben defends Kiki: "You know, when you're with friends...sometimes you might say something…you sort of feel like there’s a sort of a code of...content creators." [55:30]
  • Both agree: everyone gossips, but Tamra’s the one who made it public for maximum drama.

Broader Implications & Cultural Observations

• "It's hard to be friends with all these people and then still report on them in a way that people are going to trust you." – Ronnie [58:52]
• "Don’t get tricked. They’re trying to make you say good things about them." – Ben [59:47]
• They stress the impossibility of real journalism when access and ad revenue depend on cozy relationships with sources.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "It’s just so big. It’s so cavernous. …I just worry that that good guy clause is going to be invoked very quickly. I don’t know. I actually want him to succeed. Good guy clause. Despite everything, I want Carl to succeed. I just look nice sometimes." – Ben, on Carl Radke’s bar [13:30]
• "Let me tell you what will scare them. Teresa. Fans of Teresa doesn’t come back, because Teresa fans will firebomb NBCUniversal. They’ll do it. They’ll do it." – Ronnie [18:53]
• "Mama Zingerman looks like she already cannot stand Kyle at all. Look at her. She’s like, this one I have to stand next to. …I brought my best angle rippled purse here, and I got standing to this one." – Ben [24:43]
• "Even I know not to do that, Gigi. I mean, come on." – Ronnie on asking if someone’s pregnant [34:06]
• "I need a pen, I need a whiteboard, basically...they're going to come up with this whole thing. Okay, well, Kiki, I heard this. You heard this information. So why don't we make it that we say that Katie was the one who told us because then that'll start a fight with Katie on the show and that'll get Gretchen back on the show. It doesn't make any sense. Like, it doesn't make any sense." – Ronnie [45:00]
• "This is a total collapse of all journalistic integrity." – Ben [49:19]
• "You dummies just handed [Tamra] a win." – Ronnie [54:26]
• "You are allowed to gossip with your fellow like podcasters. You are allowed to...someone violated the pact of the content creators." – Ben [58:20]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:17: Personal weekend recaps, Bravo dread
• 06:53: Bravo news, Karen Huger, Carl Radke “Soft Bar”
• 15:49: RHONJ rumors, is Teresa out?
• 23:07: RHOBH wedding talk, Zingerman jokes
• 28:52: Kyle’s photo drama, Sutton/Dorit exclusion
• 30:23: The Valley feud, Gigi vs. Brittany, pregnancy shaming accusation
• 34:48: Carol Radziwill, Harry Styles, and the Kennedy tangent
• 38:27: Craig and Madison on Top Chef
• 41:44: Deep dive on RHOC Kiki Monique content creator scandal
• 45:00: Disentangling the web of who-said-what gossip
• 54:26: Summary, everyone is at fault but Tamra wins
• 55:30: Ben defends Kiki Monique; ethics of Bravo world gossip

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Conclusion

Ben and Ronnie spend this Crappy Hour gleefully dissecting the often-absurd ecosystem of Bravo (especially RHOC), lampooning both the stars and the machinery of reality TV. They expose the farcical web of leaks, denials, and journalistic “ethics,” always with their trademark affection and parody. Their message? It’s all a mess—but it’s our mess, and that’s why we watch.

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“You can’t be going to standing up for people just because they’re being nice to you. They’re not stupid. They’re trying to make you say good things about them. Don’t get tricked.” – Ronnie [59:47]

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[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to Crappy Hour. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben over there. Hi, Ben.

[Ben]

Hi, Ronnie. How are you?

[Ronnie]

I'm good. Do you know why?

[Ben]

Why?

[Ronnie]

Because this episode of Crappy Hour is proudly brought to you guys by Virgin Voyages. So tonight we're pretty much coming to you from Dick's kingdom. All right, thanks, Virgin. Thanks for being here. We love you guys. Than staying here.

[Ben]

Pretend we're on a boat. Okay?

[Ronnie]

Hi, Ronnie. Hi there. So good to see you. It was a great weekend. It sucks that it's over as it does every time a weekend ends. I just. I sleep so much. I don't know if something's wrong with me. I mean, if something's wrong with me. It's been wrong with me my whole life, but, God, I just love to sleep. It's a problem.

[Ben]

Well, it seems like it's not just the weekend. That's good. That's over. It seems like your porn sash has disappeared. What happened?

[Ronnie]

Oh, my. Yeah, I think I'll bring it back next week. I was trying to trim it today because it was a little bit unruly and I trimmed it uneven so I looked like I had a hang. Not a hangnail. What do you call a hang? Lip. I looked like I had a lip. Hair.

[Ben]

Lip.

[Ronnie]

Cleft lip.

[Ben]

Oh, hair. Cleft palate.

[Ronnie]

I'm not Joaquin. I can't pull that off, you know?

[Ben]

Okay. Okay.

[Ronnie]

So it was bad.

[Ben]

You look lovely.

[Ronnie]

Bad aiming. It was bad aiming with a shaver.

[Ben]

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sorry. It happens to all of us at some point or another.

[Ronnie]

What would you do this weekend?

[Ben]

Well, my parents are here in town, so I've been having a lot of fun times. My parents.

[Ronnie]

Yes.

[Ben]

We went to a restaurant and we watch TV and cook some food. So we've just been having a very nice, calm time. And you know this because of our sort of Bravo dread at the moment, I haven't had to subject them to as many Real Housewives shows as usual, which is too bad.

[Ronnie]

They're gonna get my watch. Guess. Oh, you love your. What? Sorry.

[Ben]

No, I was gonna say I love my mom's withering opinions on the Real Housewives.

[Ronnie]

Oh, well, so good to give them tonight because tonight you get to watch Real Housewives of London. Yes.

[Ben]

I'm so excited.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you guys have been asking for Real Housewives of London recap. So we're not gonna do the whole thing because it's not playing here in America, but we are gonn episode this week because, you know, we don't have anything. You know what else has been really good, which I've been watching is real. Not Real Housewives, but Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I know I'm really behind everybody, but we covered the first season and the second season. We didn't because we had enough shows, and I just watched the whole thing. Wow. Wow, those girls get down and dirty. I mean, that show is so dark, and they act so nice even when they're stabbing each other right in the back. Like, here's how I feel about you. You're a stupid bitch, and I hope your whole family dies in a fire.

[Ben]

It's like, I really have to get back into it because I really loved the first season, but the second season came around, and I was like, there's too much. There's too much going on. Got a lot to do with the Bravo. I'm just like, I can't take this on right now. And then I lost momentum, so I'm a little sad. Plus, I heard that Great British Bake off is back, so I'm also, like, really excited to dive back into that. So there's just, like.

[Ronnie]

Remember when we did those recaps? God, that was so fun doing those recaps.

[Ben]

That was fun. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

But anyway, here we are. Anyway, anyway, here we are under the tent to discuss Bravo headlines of the week. What stood out to you this week or the past couple of weeks actually, in Bravo headlines, man? What are you thinking?

[Ben]

Well, I think the thing that stood out to me. The thing that stood out to me is a little bit old news by now, but Karen Huger is out of jail. There's no new update since we last discussed it, so there's not. Not much to discuss there. But I just wanted to acknowledge the grandam. Okay, this is the first crappy hour she gets to listen to since she's been out of jail. So that's great.

[Ronnie]

Well, obviously that's great. I would like to congratulate the prison for getting rid of Karen. Because you know that she had to be making them effing crazy. They just kept making that get out day earlier and earlier, you know, she made them insane. And you know, they can breathe easily today knowing that Karen is no longer in there. Can I get a softer pillow? I don't deserve this.

[Ben]

I need a better pillow, please. Security.

[Ronnie]

Security.

[Ben]

They're like, oh, we all. The only thing around you is security. You can't keep calling out for us like, what?

[Ronnie]

What do you want? You call me one more time.

[Ben]

They're very responsive here. You know, here's something I would actually like to talk about, which is not hard hitting or major, but I think it's a nice human interest story to kick off our hour. Okay. And the thing that has jumped out to me is news that Carl Radke takes People magazine inside hall soft bar. You're not alcoholic venture.

[Ronnie]

I'd like to dedicate this to all the people who said I can't do it. I did it. Kind of. It's almost open. It's almost open. Not really open yet. But I'd like to prove that I'm making strides by not wearing white jeans that are skin tight. He's wearing jeans in this picture. Actual jeans. And I don't know how I feel about it. Carl.

[Ben]

I feel like he. He may no longer. Like, he doesn't need to have jeans that are skin tight because he just has skin that skin tight at the moment. I mean, it's like, lucky him.

[Ronnie]

God, I'm jealous.

[Ben]

He is. It's like it's. He is aging in a. You know, we all age. It happens to each and every one of us. There's no point in shaming people. But what is happening to Carl? What is happening to our sweet Carl? Like, this man, like, he just. He looks so weathered. Like. Like what, What. What has he been doing?

[Ronnie]

Who is in a relationship with Lindsay? I mean, if that doesn't weather you. I mean, that's a constant storm.

[Ben]

Oh, my goodness.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so you know what? My neighbors in Texas while I was away, while I've been away, have just been doing whatever they want. I live in a unit where there's two places on one lot. So I'm very close with the neighbors. We're like a foot from each other. Okay. And open that coke bin. I hope that's actually. That you're opening.

[Ben]

It's actually just seltzer. Just Seltzer. Seltzer water.

[Ronnie]

So my neighbor has decided they're gonna get a sprinkler system, one of those hose things that has sprinklers in it. So you don't, like, actually put the sprinklers in. It's like a hose thing. Anyway, they. They aimed this right at my freaking bedroom window. Okay. So the first night I'm home, I thought. I thought it was gunshots. Honestly, I felt like the guy from below deck. I was like, I woke up with gunshots. It was like gunshots. It was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like, what the hell is that? I jumped out of bed, I went out there. The freaking sprinkler. God knows how long it's been aimed right at my window. It's not like they can't hear that. It's aimed right at my window, machine gunning me. And the whole thing is cracked. Not the window's not cracked, but all the. All the. The paint and stuff is coming off the window now. And let me tell you what it looks like. It looks weathered. It looks weathered. So I think that's what you're trying to say. That was a long way of getting to, you know, what Carl just suffered from years of Lindsay machine gunning him in the face with her water spout.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Okay. And that's.

[Ben]

I think I sometimes.

[Ronnie]

Maybe that's why he looks weathered. But.

[Ben]

Yeah, I sometimes forget that. And I feel kind of like a dick because, like, he's weathered. Like, it's just.

[Ronnie]

It's.

[Ben]

Something happens to people. It's what happens to people. But sometimes I'm just so shocked with Carl, and he has taken. He takes us onto this tour. Oh, there I am. Softball opening soon. So it opened up over labor.

[Ronnie]

We'd like to point out that Ronnie did not call me weathered. Ben did. Because Ronnie. Ronnie respects my fish oil game. So go ahead.

[Ben]

I. Yeah, no, well, you know, I'm like, make me unleashed a monster in me, and there's no turning back. But. But Carl, he opened this, of course, over Labor Day weekend software, because that's when they're going to be probably shooting the season finale of Summer House.

[Ronnie]

Not the only one going into labor this year. Not to be competitive. Not to be competitive at all.

[Ben]

So we actually get, like, a tour of it. And, you know, the truth is, the place looks great. It, like, visually, it looks like very, like, it looks beautiful. But I'm not going to get popsicle.

[Ronnie]

Out of my drink, I'll tell you that much. He's got a popsicle right in a drink here. Look at this. A popsicle covered with what? Cumin and chili and that looks crazy.

[Ben]

I'm not, I'm just, just imagine that it's. Just imagine that it's Austin's tongue licking the glass.

[Ronnie]

Ben, I don't know that I'm going to maybe why they're charging you 20 bucks for a drink or whatever. Because they're putting a popsicle in there. Look at that. I don't know.

[Ben]

Here's, here's, here's my concern. My concern is this, first of all, like the ongoing, like, if you, if you listen to his tour, he's like, hole, over here we have some really functional cocktails. Or if you need some functional rehabilitation. It's all like some functional, like everything's functional. Which I'm like, I cannot believe that this is the true use of the word function. I don't think that's right. But second of all, I. As for. As nice as it looks, it's kind of what if you had a non.

[Ronnie]

Functional cocktail over there? What if you just got it and you're like, this is. What if it was just like a cup of screws and you're like, wait a minute, why did you. Why did you. Why is there hardware in my cup? Well, it's functional. It's not fun. It's literally not a drink. Carl, get me a drink.

[Ben]

Dysfunctional. But I just. My worry is it kind of gives me, we work vibes. Kind of gives me like, you know, students, student center at college. It's like where you go, you put up a poster to say that you want to like, join some sort of like fencing club or something. I don't know, I'm just like. I just worry that that good guy clause is going to be invoked very quickly. I don't know. I actually want him to succeed. Good guard claws. Despite everything, I want Carl to succeed. I just look nice sometimes.

[Ronnie]

It looks, it looks very pretty. But you have a whole bar. I have to say, you have a whole bar here. And, well, I guess this is the soft opening of soft. So it wasn't really the opening. And I mean, you can tell because the bar only has a TV that looks like a microwave and then you have, you know, a few bottles. It's not really a lot in here. It looks like the, the little room in the Hyatt place that you get snacks. You know, it's just, it's.

[Ben]

Yeah, it's just, it's so big. It's so cavernous. And as he talks about he's like, we could have events here, or we could do this here. We could do that here, or we could do that. I'm like, oh, no, this is.

[Ronnie]

We could have pregnancy events where pregnant women come to talk. You remember that? Yeah, we're gonna have events where pregnant women talk about stuff. You know, they can speak. I wanted to be a place for the community. The pregnant community. The Williamsburg pregnant.

[Ben]

I don't know. I don't know. But this is the latest update. So soft is soft launched. And I guess we'll see maybe at Bravo Con. I guarantee a Bravo Con, he's gonna have some, like, very Austin style kind of trailer. It'll be like, what are those, like, trailers that you attach the back? It's like, so the sort of like, round wheels. He'll have one of those, like a little serving. Yeah, like, remember when we got those bagels in. In Austin, like a few months ago? Remember we. We stopped by that little trailer?

[Ronnie]

Oh, yeah.

[Ben]

I think it's going to be like one of those trailers. And I'll be serving soft, soft drinks at BravoCon. That is my prediction. And I'm sure there'll be like a fake palm tree and like a flamingo. That's. I'm gonna say that right now.

[Ronnie]

Someone is asking, why is the sign so small? I had to look at the picture to see it. Looks like it says so feet or a square feet.

[Ben]

So feet.

[Ronnie]

Right? Like square feet. Love the color of the outside. This is my blue. I love this kind of blue. What a beautiful blue. I don't know.

[Ben]

The exterior paint is great.

[Ronnie]

Good for him. I mean, I'm. I'm a dick too, though. When I. When I saw this, my first thought was, is it open or not? Because it's not. It's like, we're gonna open. Yeah, we're just. It's like a. It's like a welcome party before we open. Open the. Open it. Open it, Carl, you're making me crazy. Now open it.

[Ben]

Yeah, it looks great. Looks great. I just have concerns. That's. That's really where I'm at, everyone.

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, you know what? Concerns noted. But congratulations, Carl. All. All with you aside, good for you getting that thing.

[Ben]

Congratulations.

[Ronnie]

Also, didn't they say that's $10,000 a month? That doesn't look very expensive for $10,000 a month. I say you're getting a bargain.

[Ben]

Good Garclaus haul. Okay. I mean, so that was my. That was my human interest story to start off the episode. What's on your mind, Ronnie?

[Ronnie]

There have Been some rumors of Real Housewives of New Jersey. They're going to. You know. Are they filming? Are they not? Who's coming back? Who's not coming back? We. We had Melissa Gorga and Danielle Cabral over at the. Some awards show. What was it, the MTV videos? Yeah. Is that what that is? Then we had Marge making an Instagram post that was something like the. Is back. Something like that. And people are like, does this mean they're back? It's like, no, it doesn't really mean anything.

[Ben]

It was just a post.

[Ronnie]

What do you want for me? I'm about to post words. It was just words. Words in a post.

[Ben]

I was talking about Sabrina. She's back in Tenafly after spending the entire summer in Prague. It's Czech Republic. Okay, bitches. Back.

[Ronnie]

And then there have been rumors that they've been doing test filming with the Real Housewives of New Jersey with Melissa, Margaret and Jenny. Just kidding. Melissa Margaret and who's the other one? Dolores, I guess would be the return Dolores for sure. But that they're supposedly leaving Teresa out, that they're doing tests without Teresa. So I don't know if any of that's true. That's just some gossip on the. On the Internet.

[Ben]

I just don't think that Bravo is leaving.

[Ronnie]

Is.

[Ben]

Is dropping Teresa. I just don't think so. I think if the concern is that Louis might be a liability, I think Bravo is. Is doesn't mind. It's the sort of mess that Bravo likes. I think Jen Aiden is gone. I think that what's. Her face is probably gone. I don't even remember her name. You know, the one with the. The ski jump nose.

[Ronnie]

Oh, wasn't that another Danielle. What was that girl's name? The girl whose husband owned food.

[Ben]

Rachel.

[Ronnie]

Rachel Fooder. Rachel. What was the tile company? Yeah, the tile empire.

[Ben]

Tyler empire.

[Ronnie]

I don't even think we'd love tiles. And my husband's very serious about tiles. And you're coming from my husband right now. Yeah. I don't know. I don't need her back. Yeah, really, I do. I need her back. She was crazy.

[Ben]

I need her dad back, crying into his fist. My daughters don't speak to each other. I told him, my son. And that is maybe that's why you don't talk to me. Because I called him a daughter. Oh, but he's like a daughter.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my brother doesn't talk to me. You want a piece?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

I like that girl. I think she's cray cray. And I want her back for sure. Now, Bravo has come up against a lot in the past few years with the reality reckoning a lot of people threatening lawsuits, you know, and we've seen them kind of react scared in that, you know, they haven't settled any of these lawsuits, so they're not scared in that way, but they have kind of backed down in some of their. They've tried to show us, like, a softer side of Bravo, I think. I don't know how well it's going.

[Ben]

Six years.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, they've tried, and they're trying to show, like, we're not scared, but we're listening. Well, let me tell you what will scare them. Teresa. Fans of Teresa doesn't come back because Teresa Fans will firebomb NBCUniversal. They'll do it. They'll do it.

[Ben]

Yeah, they. They will.

[Ronnie]

They will. They will. They're not fucking around. So I don't see Bravo doing that. And I think that they maybe not afraid of Teresa, but definitely afraid of, you know, Teresa's stands. I shouldn't say fans, because, you know, you're allowed to be a fan of somebody. I'm a fan of Teresa. But, you know, the stands, like the real cray craze.

[Ben]

Yeah. I just think that Teresa, I think. I think Bravo, she's just too much. Too big. Too big. She's unsinkable. I think Bravo's keeping her. I think she'll be there, you know. Well, yeah, I feel like. Was she just on a show? I feel like she was just on a show.

[Ronnie]

I know Villains or something. Didn't she just do Villains or one of those?

[Ben]

She did Villains, but I thought there was something else that she was on. But either way, I just have a hard time thinking that she's not on it. I think that rumor is, like, started by Danielle Cabral. I think she puts it out there. She's like, hey, Nate, go put it. Go tell people. Go tell Dave Quinn. Go tell Dave. Queen Theresa's out. Okay. Cabral's in. Tell everyone. Tell everyone. A kid's bop, too, by the way. Let's get two, two. Two stones with one bird. Okay.

[Ronnie]

I have a personal question in here from Brit, actually. She says, did I miss any Bobcat updates? Nope, there haven't been any more. And I've literally sat at that window playing the piano. I mean, my practice has gone up because I've been searching for that bobcat. It has not come back, and I'm very sad. But, you know, I do still have Bueller. I can't be just inviting a Bobcat over, and then it gets big.

[Ben]

No, you.

[Ronnie]

You know what I mean? So it has to be. I have to be good. I'm doing, like, nature. I'm just doing the nature thing where I'm sitting behind a window and just searching for it and sending my love that way. But I'm not leaving out food or anything. I'm not crazy, because I'm the idiot who would befriend a bobcat. And then it kills me. You know, I'm one of those people who's like, but the. The bobcat ate my face.

[Ben]

Yeah. Also, let's hold. Hold some space for the fact that it might be a mountain lion. So mountain lion babies do have spots as well. That's what people have been messaging me.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

To. To warn you about, by the way, which is like, don't befriend. Just know that Mama's nearby. Okay. What mama wants, Mama gets. Be careful.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So people are saying that what. Maybe what we were thinking about is that Teresa and. And Gia are both on Special Forces on Fox, and I think that was it. Did anyone even watch that show? That's just a show.

[Ronnie]

I don't.

[Ben]

Maybe not. I feel like Special Forces exists solely to get us to react to their casting, but no one actually watches it. Like, they don't. I don't think they actually even air the show. I think they just make casting announcements and they release clips, and then that's it. Then it's a wrap. Because I don't know anyone who watches that show.

[Ronnie]

I don't either. It seems. I don't know. Maybe it's like, people who are really into, like, war stuff, you know, like those guys. Like, I have a couple friends who are like, bro, did you watch Bands of Brothers? Like, no, not. No. Every time we start talking about TV shows, they're like, that's, like, one of the best things of all time. I think they're just people who are just, like, into war stuff, you know?

[Ben]

They do. There are people that love war stuff, and that's just not me. I just don't. I don't find it fascinating.

[Ronnie]

But, you know, Teresa and Gia is scary. Right? And war.

[Ben]

My goodness.

[Ronnie]

Can we just stop. Just stop it. All right. This time you want to. With me. You want to. With me. Teresa. Going up against Putin. Actually, I was just thinking, now I'm in. I just talked myself. I know this show.

[Ben]

It sounds great. I was reading an article today about how Tank. Like, not like Tank camouflage has evolved rapidly over the past three years because of drones and of course, the fighting in Ukraine. And so they've been having to modify all these tanks to make them partially to camouflage from drones, but also, like, drones will drop, like, a grenade on them, so they have to, like, add this other thing on top of it, and then the drones will fly into the thing, and then they have to add chains, and the drones will get underneath, have do all these modifications, which is not unlike being a real housewife in the first place. And second of all, I just love the idea of, like, Teresa potentially, like, modding out a tank and just doing it all wrong, Just making it look like a big, gaudy, tacky luxury car.

[Ronnie]

You're like, wait a minute. Why are meatballs being dropped all over the Ukraine?

[Ben]

Teresa's in charge of the drones, too.

[Ronnie]

Oh, no. Oh, hilarious. So Alexio Mansky got married to someone named Jake Zingerman. And he must be rich, because otherwise, why would you marry somebody whose last name is Zingerman? You know that. That guy's annoying. He's like. I'm saying.

[Ben]

He may have deli access because there's Zingerman's deli, Ann Arbor. Hello. Come on to my Zingerman's deli. People out there. Hello. High five. No, this. Who is this person?

[Ronnie]

He looks like a tall version of Josh Altman in little pictures. Let me see. Tinier. It does right here. I'm gonna share this.

[Ben]

I'm gonna say this right now.

[Ronnie]

This is a wedding picture.

[Ben]

Okay?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, guys, her dress is pretty. Mauricio looks like he's in Guys and Dolls. I'm not sure what he's doing.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

I love Be a lady Tonight, huh? Listen, let me. A lady tonight. That's all I'm saying.

[Ben]

I love Mayor Winningham on the right. Like, I love this lady who, like, is probably the mother of the.

[Ronnie]

Of the.

[Ben]

The room, and she's just, like, pulled into this, like, world of Beverly Hills plastic surgery and fillers, and she's like, what the am I standing next to right now? I just want my son to be happy. Mama Zingerman.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Mama Zingerman's like, is this a wedding or a. Or a convention for cabbage doll faces? Cabbage patch doll faces. Zing. Mama Zingerman got one in there.

[Ben]

Mama Zingerman looks like she already cannot stand Kyle at all. Look at her. She's like, this one I have to stand next to. I brought my best angled, angled purse. I got my best angle rippled purse here, and I got standing to this one.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, they had maroon as their color. I guess that was a big A big thing I've never seen. I don't think I've seen maroon as a color since like high school. Maroon was my junior high color.

[Ben]

Only five people could wear it though. Did you know Only five people could wear it?

[Ronnie]

Where's that from? Oh, zing. What are you, a cousin of the Zingermans?

[Ben]

You just got Zingermans?

[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

That's it. That's intentional, by the way. When that happens, that's not by accident.

[Ronnie]

That's what I said. I was like, don't, don't act like the one picture you post of your friends and say the Fox Force four or whatever, you just leave out Dorit on accident. Ma'. Am. On how dare you. How dare you.

[Ben]

That's. That is. Something's up with that. Yeah. Cause I think I saw a picture of Bose from the wedding as well. Right. Wasn't Bose there or.

[Ronnie]

No, I don't know. I didn't really look at that many pictures. I just. I just honestly copy and pasted the link.

[Ben]

Wait, are you saying you were not obsessed with Alexia Umansky's wedding to Rando?

[Ronnie]

Wow.

[Ben]

I can't believe it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. But good for her, I guess. You know, that's still something. People do, so get married, so good for her. Yay. What do you want to talk about next?

[Ben]

Well, I. Sweet. I think it's. I think it's time that we. It's time to. It's time to talk about Orange county stuff. Right? It's time.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. We have to get on. Well, let's talk about one thing first, okay? Because I think Real Housewives of Orange county is going to take the rest of the time. So Brittany Cartwright goes on romantic Mexican getaway with a new boyfriend after his wife blasts him online. Brittany Cartwright and her new boyfriend, Brandon Hansen, packed on the PDA in steamy new pics in photos obtained by Blah, blah, blah. Who cares? They go to Cabo together. I can't tell if he's cute or not, Honestly. He's got glasses on the whole time. Is he. I can't tell.

[Ben]

He's a big meatball. He's got some angles. Not cute. From other angles, I'm gonna say not cute. Overall. I'm gonna look. Looking at tattoos, I'm gonna say, he is not cute. Sorry.

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, here, I'll show everybody on the screen so you can see him. So this is him. So they had all these pictures on the beach. Yeah. I'm gonna go with not cute. I don't. These tattoos. I'm gonna say you're not cute because of tattoos. But that's all I can see. S. Um, let's see. So then he. I'm trying to get to the picture. That was so offensive. There's. Oh, this one here. So see how he's, like, touching her belly and she's taking a picture, and he's, like, licking out her earwax with his tongue and all that good stuff. So Gigi. Dun, dun, dun. Gigi made a post, and she said something along here. I'm trying to get it up now.

[Ben]

Wellness. Not Gigi Hadid for those. You know, because they. They do exist in the Bravo universe together. This is. Okay, go on. See what Gigi said.

[Ronnie]

Gigi said something. I'm looking for the quote here, but I don't see it. GG Said something like, is she pregnant or what? Because his hand's on her belly, and she looks pregnant. And like, is this a pregnancy announcement? You don't do that. What's wrong with you? And you've been pregnant.

[Ben]

You do. You know what? You do do that if you were on the Valley. Gold, Nessa style or Persian style? Because then you're like, that's like. That's their way of saying, guess what? Our show's coming soon. We're gonna start a rivalry with the other show by saying something rude to someone else. I'm not saying I approve it, but, like, to me, as soon as I saw that Gigi was in, like, a nascent feud with Britney, I was like, I know what this is all about. She's trying to get that hype going for. For her version of the Valley.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So I guess that's what happened. So, of course, Kristen got all pissed off. I was like, how dare you? And went off on Gigi. And then Gigi went back off and on her and was like, you don't want words with me. If you think you're gonna have words with me, you're gonna get some words. And you like words. You're about to get some words. Wordy, wordy, word.

[Ben]

Watch out. Watch out for those words.

[Ronnie]

It's a typical GG Post. I didn't really understand what it said, but I knew it was threatening. I felt very threatened by it. She's like, you want a piece of me? Come on and get a piece of me. I'm Gigi from the Valley, baby. Gig. The Valley. Come get your piece. Grist is like, you come for my friend. You come for me. And then Zach Wickham was like, how dare you? How dare you come for a pregnant woman? So I'm not really sure, but they're all three. And then Britney went on her podcast, was like, y', all, you know, I don't got no beef with GG but it ain't about. It ain't nice to body shame nobody.

[Ben]

But it ain't nice to do that.

[Ronnie]

But some people are like, she's not body shaming you. She's literally asking if you were doing a pregnancy thing because she was. He was holding her belly. I mean, I don't. I don't know, but I'm an idiot. Listen, socially, I'm an idiot. I put my foot in my mouth all the time. We all know it, okay? There's nothing to deny there. I'm the worst. Even I know not to do that, Gigi. I mean, come on.

[Ben]

Yeah. You never ask if someone's pregnant. You let them offer that. Okay, you.

[Ronnie]

You don't.

[Ben]

You don't. You don't enter that into evidence on your. On your behalf.

[Ronnie]

But to be fair, you know how I know that? Because I've done it before.

[Ben]

So I.

[Ronnie]

You know, I did burn my hand that way one time when I was waiting tables. Many years ago. I was in my early 20s, just a little babe in the woods. And I said, what do you do to somebody? Oh, hell no. Oh. Oh, no.

[Ben]

You should have said to order more food because it looks like you don't have enough. Come on, let's get you some more food.

[Ronnie]

Eating for two. Yeah, that was the John's pizza.

[Ben]

I have other things I actually want to talk about before we get to O.C. i just real. I just remembered an article that I really enjoyed. Highlighted. The headline was how Harry Styles swooped in like Cinderella's prince. Hello. It's called Prince Charming, okay? To help Real Housewives star avoid disaster at star Studded Parisian wedding. So, of course, I fell for the clickbait. I was like, who is Harry Styles interfacing with? I thought it was gonna be Lisa Rinna. It was, of all people, Carol Rads A.

[Ronnie]

Well, Carol was climbing up a staircase and her dress was too heavy, and her friend turned around to take a photo of her, and then, in swoops, Harry Styles to save her. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So she's got. She's got that young man on her arm again yet again.

[Ben]

I know. Well, I have to say, I was happy for her. I was like, you know, there's a lot of Real housewives that try to interface with, like, the truly famous, and she did it. So, you know, I. I say, good for her. Good for her. She got some Harry Styles. He looked gorgeous. I'm not even a Harry Styles person. I was like, he looked so handsome right there next to Carol Radswell. I don't know, speaking of her away.

[Ronnie]

From Zoe, did you see the interview where she was talking about being friends with Robert F. Kennedy? Whatever. Rfk. And they're like, what's up with you being so liberal and being friends with rfk? And she's like, well, you know, he wasn't into that whole, like, anti conspiracy or anti vaccinations and all of that. I mean, he was just a guy who's just a nice guy. I mean, he did. He did have the roadkill. Like, that was his thing. Like, he would find roadkill and he would keep it in his car. And, you know, you'd get in there and it stinked. I mean, it just smelled like death. His van smelled like death.

[Ben]

So she's really batting. Batting. Batting 100. You know, with. Between RFK and Ghislaine Maxwell. I mean, look, Carol's just killing it right now.

[Ronnie]

Oh, someone says, didn't she date RFK Jr. Oh, wow. Did they date. Yikes.

[Ben]

No.

[Ronnie]

How can you date somebody when you get on the phone and they're like, oh, would you like to go have a dinner? Dinner tonight? Would you like.

[Ben]

To be fair? His voice did not sound like that 20 years ago.

[Ronnie]

Oh, it didn't happen.

[Ben]

I don't know.

[Ronnie]

I'm just saying. I'm just realizing how little I pay to the news. Little attention I pay to the news because I saw a clip of him on the news today. I was like, he talks like that. I don't know. Did he get sick? Is that. Why am I making fun of someone?

[Ben]

There is a. It's a. It's a condition. I looked it up. He has, like, a condition.

[Ronnie]

Great.

[Ben]

Spasmy. Honestly, don't feel bad. Don't feel bad for shaping rfk, I think.

[Ronnie]

Really.

[Ben]

Okay. We can. We can shame this man.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, well, I think you're still not supposed to make fun of sick people, but I don't know, it's hard because we like doing voices. And he's like, oh, yeah, I'll make.

[Ben]

I'll. I'll make fun of someone who'll make other people sick. How about that? So then, by the way, Debbie in the comments noted she didn't date JFK Jr. She was married to his cousin Anthony, I think was his name.

[Ronnie]

He had a brain worm, they're saying in the comments. Thanks, you guys. God. You know what? We should just always be on here so I could learn things. Robert Kennedy had a brain, probably from. From dead things in his van. Don't those worms warm their way in there? Okay, Ben, go ahead. I'm so sorry.

[Ben]

No, actually, someone actually gave the actual medical diagnosis, which is that his condition is being an utter asshat. I don't know if that's. Thank you, Angela. Nca.

[Ronnie]

Well, I've suffered from that for sure.

[Ben]

To be fair. We all have. It goes around. It's happening right now. Perhaps to me, the other thing that the. The last thing I want to talk about, Ronnie, because I saw this and I saw this picture on Instagram, and I was not happy. It. Craig and Madison the Croix are going to be guest judges on Top Chef. Madison, fine. Like, I'll. I'm. I'm down for Madison. She is born for corn. So Give her a corn challenge. But Craig, as a. As. As a. As a judge on Top Chef, I'm just not sure I'd buy that one. I'll be like. Like it. You know, this tastes a lot like trying to make a relationship work and buying a ring and just like not being loved in return. So, yeah, it's really good. Thanks.

[Ronnie]

You know, we've seen Madison cooking on Southern, and she's. She jokes that she can't cook, but she's kind of like a little Southern Southern homemaker. And then we see. We've seen Craig cook. Craig's cooking is taking a big bag of frozen meats and just dumping them onto the. The outside. The outdoor grill. Remember, he couldn't figure out how to work the pan and the stove or something in his house. I don't trust no Greg Grill. I agree with you, Craig. No, but, yeah, it would be fun. Yeah. Yeah, he's. He's sick. Everybody's telling me Robert. Robert F. Kennedy sick. Okay. Okay, Sars. So anyway, yeah, I agree with the note, but you know what? We have to get into now, this news, because now we're gonna run out of time. So let's get into the Kiki Monique of it all. The Real Housewives of Orange County Kiki Monique scandal. So Kiki Monique has been everywhere. She's been on every podcast. She's been. She has been getting story out there. Thank you to Vanderpod Recaps, as usual, for saving us the time, because I am listening to all that. I'm watching the Mormon the. The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives in a weekend. I don't have time for all these podcasts, but she's breaking them down. She was on Carlos King. This is not on Vanderpod recaps, but I saw a clip of this looking it up. Kiki says that producers called her to come on camera with Gretchen, but she wasn't really comfortable just being with Gretchen because Gretchen was one of the people at the party who said it. She was involved in the story. So she didn't want it only to be Gretchen because, you know, it should be somebody else. So she asked for Gina to be there because she had that piece of gossip that if she told Gina that. I guess it was that if she told Gina that Katie was talking about Gina saying they agent designers or whatever, that Gina would be more likely to believe her story. So that's why she told her and insisted on her being there at this meeting. Okay, so that was the first thing. Then there was this rumor about Sheena and Kiki being friends. And so is it Sheena that really started this whole thing? Is it Sheena that said that Gretchen said that she went to the hospital because she was roofied because Sheena and Gretchen are friends. So what was it? So she went on. Katie Janella went on Teddy's podcast. Teddy. Okay. Hi, I'm Teddy.

[Ben]

Wait, so wait a second. She went on to Teddy? You mean two teaser pod.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. What did I say?

[Ben]

Well, you said Teddy's podcast. I just want to clarify that it's two T's in a pod, a podcast that Tam. It's Tamara's podcast with Teddy. And Tamra, who basically started this entire thing about why we shouldn't trust Katie because she goes and talks to content creators, is now being welcomed by a content creator who just so happens to be Tamara, by the way. Just want to point that out.

[Ronnie]

Well, I think this was just a Teddy thing because I don't think Tamra was involved because she has journalistic integrity. So she's not.

[Ben]

Doesn't matter. Tamara. Tamara will earn money off of that ad revenue for that episode. So, yes, the hypocrisy has been flagged by me.

[Ronnie]

Yes, flagged hypocrisy. So I'm sure that they would argue that they are not saying content creators. They are saying bloggers. And they're not bloggers or podcasters just because, you know the semantics in the housewives world. So they're talking about Sheena. Teddy is saying, okay, I'm Teddy. So we're gonna get into the Kiki Monique of it all. So I heard a rumor. There isn't one part of me, and correct me anywhere, that I'm wrong, there isn't a part of me that doesn't believe that you went out to dinner with Jen Brian, Gretchen Slade, and all this was talked about. It was. Okay, so we'll get into the gen of it all in just a minute. But what I was told, and who knows if this is true, but I was told that Gretchen and Sheena are very tight. Yes. And that Sheena told Kiki. And I've heard that from multiple people too. Okay. Okay, well, I'm glad that we got that figured out. So I heard they're very tight. So here's multiple sources that could have told Kiki, you are vindicated. Hi, I'm Teddy. This is the hi, I'm Teddy News Network. I'm Teddy. I'm Teddy. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I'm Teddy. Hi, I'm Teddy.

[Ben]

I don't know. I mean, I. I love the idea of bringing Sheena into this, but I just don't really see it, Like, I just don't see this as the.

[Ronnie]

As the.

[Ben]

As. As the. As a smoking gun. I think that Katie said it. I think Katie said it to Kiki. I think he's being careless.

[Ronnie]

Katie continues. There's clips of Sheena calling Gretchen with Kiki on their podcast together, saying, how do we get you back on the show? How do we do this? And it's also. And it's also. It's this stream of, like, 20 slides of how it makes sense that it allegedly was them. She's talking about a post that they saw on Instagram, and Katie insists that she did not tell Kiki. And Katie is saying, I was just gossiping about myself. I was sitting at that lunch, and she knew about the episodes that I hadn't even seen, and she had seen screeners that I hadn't even been given. And it was before we filmed a reunion last year. And I was like, oh, my God, I feel this way. I feel that way. And we were talking about it being a woman of color and the only woman of color and kind of commiserating on that a little bit. And that's when I told her there are some things that I've seen with these women that make me feel a little weird. And that's when I brought up the Gina thing.

[Ben]

Yeah, I. First of all, I don't think that, like, they even have screeners available that far in advance. Like, if. If.

[Ronnie]

Well, this would have been the last.

[Ben]

Oh, just for last reunion.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, this would have been the last season, I guess, maybe.

[Ben]

Okay, so I got my timelines confused. I don't know. Like, I. I think that, like, I. I still. I just don't think that this was put forth by Sheena. And then Katie. It got, like, mixed up in that ways. I don't think that, like, Sheena told Kiki, and then Kiki is saying that Katie said it to protect Gina. I just don't think that I. I think that if Sheena said it, I think Kiki would say, Sheena told me this. And I. I just don't see what she has. I don't know why she would have to. Kiki would have to like to. What motive she has depended on Katie necessarily. I think that Katie told her. I think Katie was being sloppy. And I think it's like. And honestly, I don't care that Kitty told her, because I think that it's so. It's so overblown. Like, it's really I, I just think this is, it's, it's, it's ridiculous that she's losing her, her income because of this stupid lie. When people have lied about far worse and have done far worse on this show. But I just think that like, well, I mean, it's like funny, but it's not. I don't, I just.

[Ronnie]

So the allegation is like, if we're just piecing this together. So the allegation would be that Katie goes to dinner with everybody, she hears all this gossip, she gets together with Kiki and all she told Kiki was the Gina stuff. Like Gina said the thing about Asian designers, which Kiki took and that. And now Katie is alleging. Katie and Teddi are alleging that just to be, just to get Gretchen back on the show. Katie. No, Gret, this is so confusing. I need a pen, I need a whiteboard, basically that they're going to come up with this whole thing. Okay, well, Kiki, I heard this. You heard this information. So why don't we make it that we say that Katie was the one who told us because then that'll start a fight with Katie on the show and that'll get Gretchen back on the show. It doesn't make any sense. Like, it doesn't make any sense.

[Ben]

Far fetched.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's like there's too many, there's too many moving parts and it's honestly not a great story to get on the tab on the show anyway, you know.

[Ben]

But also, didn't Katie say, didn't she admit to us that she told Kiki that like Gretchen had, had had to go to the hospital and there were drugs in her system? Right. Didn't Katie admit that? I can't keep track of it anymore.

[Ronnie]

No, Katie's saying she never said that to Kiki. She's saying she got together with Kiki but she didn't tell her that Gretchen went to the hospital and was.

[Ben]

So she never. Oh, so she's saying she never told Kiki this. The way that he knows about it is because it's from Sheena.

[Ronnie]

Right. Because Sheena and Gretchen are friends. So Gretchen told Sheena, Sheena told she, I think Monique and then Kiki. Monique blamed it on Katie to give Gretchen a storyline for the show. I mean, it's, it's.

[Ben]

I don't. Yeah, I don't, I don't. Gretchen doesn't need Kiki to do that for her. And I don't think. And I think Kiki knows that, like Kiki doesn't need to do that for Gretchen. I think, think that maybe she did hear it from Sheena at some point, but she also heard it from Katie as well. And I don't know, I just think that whatever, whatever Kiki mentioned to her friend, whatever trickled back to Tamra, you know, that is, you know, whether it was originally sourced from Sheena or Katie, it's hard to say. But I just think that like Katie, like, I, again, I'm fully on Katie's side, but Katie is like, she is like, she's messed up a lot. And so it's just, it's not, it just, it seems too far fetched to me that there's this like conspiratorial.

[Ronnie]

Well, I can't really be on Katie's side either. I'm on Team Nobody because it's hard to be on Katie's side when she's still lying. Like, I believe that she's lying about that too. I just think it's too crazy that she didn't get together until Kiki and then Kiki saying, no, she definitely told me. And I can't believe she would throw me under the bus like this. Well, you threw her under the bus by going and telling other people, which event. Telling Jacques, which went to Dave Quinn and then Dave Quinn went and ran to Tamra, which is, you know, I don't know. These journalistic integrities that people have are crazy anyway. I don't know that we're really journalists, any of us, but I think Dave Quinn would be because he's at People magazine. That's like a real journalist thing, you know, it's a journalistic outlet. But yeah, he shouldn't be running to Tamaran tattletailing me. What kind of storytellers are these? Where's my Deep Throat? Where's my. Where's my Bob Woodward and what's his Face? Woodward and Zingerman. Where's Woodman and Zingerman?

[Ben]

Yeah, I, Yeah, this is, this is a total collapse of all journalistic integrity. And this is what happens when we do not support real journalism, obviously, clearly. But I.

[Ronnie]

Well, it's hard to be. It's hard to support real journalism because you have to pay every time you read an article.

[Ben]

That's true.

[Ronnie]

I even went to see something the other day. Someone sent us about Wendy Malik winning something in Buffalo journalism. And I couldn't even read the article because Buffalo journalism is trying to charge me to. I'm like, you are Buffalo. You are the Buffalo newspaper. You really think I'm going to be paying to read your thing? About Wendy Malik. I'm not going to do that. You put some ads on there and feed it to me. What the hell, Buffalo?

[Ben]

You're sitting on a viral news story, and you won't let it spread because you're putting a paywall on it. The people want to know about Wendy Malik. Okay, let us read it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. We get huge Wendy Malik news about being inducted into the Buffalo Journalist hall of Fame or whatever the hell it was, and I don't get to read the article? What the hell?

[Ben]

It's inappropriate. I think that ultimately in this situation, I think it's totally plausible that, like, Sheena and Gretchen, what we saw them saying, like, how do we get you back on tv, Gretchen? And, like, you know, like. But those are conversations that happen all the time. You know, I. Every time I see Leah Black, I'm like, how do we get you back on tv? Because I want her to be a real housewife again. You know, I just. I don't. I think in this case, I. I am gonna settle on that. I think that Katie just was being sloppy, and if she would just say, yeah, I said it because I didn't think it was that big of a deal, I think that would be really beneficial. But I think she's trying to double down. And, like, I just. It's like. I think it's time to, like, let the mouse go, Katie. Okay, We're. We're rooting for you, but you've gotta. You gotta. You got to do the right thing here. Not the right thing. You got to do the sane thing, I think.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And just admit that you said it. Oh, my God. But then again, it is really taking away from the real thing, which is that Gretchen and Slade were the ones saying it at the dinner, and now they're denying it. Probably not to get in trouble with production. But even before that, the real thing is that it happened in the first place. The Tamara moment, the naked wasted episode, happened in the first place. That was the real travesty. And I think every bit of blame belongs on Tamra and Vicky and Gina and everybody else. Just shut up. That was 9 million years ago. Okay, do you want to talk about what I was doing when we started this podcast 13 years ago? No, you don't. I see the Facebook memories of it, and it was terrifying. It was terrifying. Okay? And I don't want to have to watch you either. It's like watching your Facebook memories. I don't want to see your gumdrop hair or all your crazy shit that you were doing back by the Way your gumdrop hair has stuck in my head that you called her gum.

[Ben]

I love that I heard you.

[Ronnie]

That is.

[Ben]

Just saying that right now made me so happy.

[Ronnie]

That is stuck in my head. I've laughed about it all weekend. I don't want to see your gumdrop hair or, you know, I don't want to see you 12 faces ago. I feel like I'm an inception. I need to be stuck. I need to stay in the present. Guys, it's the power of now, okay? It's a self help book. Read it.

[Ben]

And also, let's also not forget. Also, let's not also forget as. Let me just say also five more times in one sentence. But we're acting as if people were like, like between Gretchen and Sheena and Kiki and Katie, that people were like lighting bombs and breaking the Internet, like, like, like putting this all out there to the universe for maximum exploitation. And the truth was, it was all just like, you know, people whispering and having little pun intended Kikis. And they were like, I heard this, I heard this. But no one was like, being outright like, oh, write a headline about this. Do this. No one was, like, blatantly doing that. And, and the person who made it a thing, the person who brought it into the public, because all of these people, despite knowing it, did not put it onto their various platforms. It was Tamra. Tamra is the one who did this. And she didn't even do it to say, I'm so upset at you, Gretchen, that you would say this. She did it solely to turn Gretchen against Katie. And it's like she's so malevolent. I mean, it's wild.

[Ronnie]

And it worked, don't forget. And as far as everybody else, you know, Katie, you're wrong for taking that conversation. You should know not to sit with Slate Smiley and take anything that Slate smiley says seriously, because Slate's fucking a liar and a crazy person. So you're bad for taking that and gossiping about it to a blogger. Gretchen, you're bad for marrying Slade in the first place. What a fucking loser. And for gossiping about that if you didn't want to get out. And now lying about it. And who else is in this? Kiki, Monique, you shouldn't have been taking shit that you heard and then gossiping about it to other journalists. And then who's the other one? Dave Quinn, you shouldn't be calling Tamara tattletailing. I mean, what the hell kind of magazine writer are. You can't be tattletailing to all the housewives. I Demand integrity. So all of you are wrong. All of you. And it sucks that the person who's the most wrong in this, Tamra, is the one that's winning. You bunch of dummies. You gave Tamra a win. You gave Tamara a clean win. She's even doing well in comments now. People are like, we love you, Tamra. I mean, she's magic. She's a magician. I'll give her that. So you dummies just handed her a win.

[Ben]

I think also the nice thing that happened out of all this was that over the weekend, you know, it was like opening weekend of for football, and Katie, there was like a. There's an Instagram story, and Katie has, like, landed some sort of Taco Bell partnership. There was definitely something that said, like, hashtag Taco Bell partner or whatever. Sponsored spawn con, sponsored link, sponsored content. And everyone has just been delighting in the fact that Haiti wound up with a taco contract and Emily didn't.

[Ronnie]

So, oh, my God. You know, second person on Bravo, because Lindsay was the first. I got the taco contract. And now Katie, Janela got a taco contract. Good for her. You're going to go to Taco Bell and you're going to order, like, a chalupa, and then when you get to the counter, they're going to give you nachos, and you're going to be like, you said you were going to give me a chalupa. I never said that. Yes, you did. No, I never said that. I ordered a chalupa. No, you didn't. They're going to call Katie. Katie. And they're going to call Kiki Modi and Kiki. Monique is going to be like, they got a burrito. No, no, I didn't.

[Ben]

I want to defend Kiki on one point here. I'm seeing a lot of people in the comments being like, she shouldn't talk to this person. She shouldn't have talked talked to that person. And like, theoretically, sure, sure, theoretically. But the truth is, like, you know, when you're with friends, and especially if you're friends in, like, the Bravo world, you know, sometimes you might say something like, oh, like, I went out with so and so when they were a mess. I want my son. They were saying crazy shit. They were saying this or that, and you sort of, like, feel like there's like a sort of a code of, I think, content creators a bit where it's like, we don't put it on the air, you know, set behind closed doors. You know, there is a certain amount of like, note sharing. That does happen. And, like, we don't put, like, everyone's on blast. People don't tell us stuff, and then we just go and blab it. For sure. But every night we just. Sometimes you tell stories about, like, a real housewife that you went out with or something like that. And I just don't think that Kiki should be like, like, hung, like, crucified for talking, excoriated, for talking to one of her friends and talking to, like, someone who else is sort of in the quote unquote industry and in the circle. Because we all do it. Okay? We all do it. And what happened. What's bad is that someone then went and brought it to Tamra, and that's bad, and they should not have done that. But, like, I think, you know, like.

[Ronnie]

So, yeah, I mean, look, ultimately, I don't know. That's what Tamara said. But, you know, Tamara said that on Jeff. Spot. On Jeff's radio show. But, you know, look, yeah, she was messy. I think he was messy. But I also think that, yeah, you're allowed to gossip with your friends. We know that she's friends with Jacques. And then Jacques probably went. And according to Tamara, went from Jacques to Dave Quinn to Dave Quinn to Tamara. So then Jacques was messy and. And talked to Tamara about it. Was also my question is, was Jacques the person who told Katie in the first place that the paparazzi were hired by Heather? Because, you know that Katie said she has connections to someone who knows all the paparazzi and isn't he Daily Mail? So is that Jacques, too? I want to know. Someone get the answer. I don't know. Yeah, she was messy, but ultimately Kiki did not. Kiki did not release the information. You know what I mean? She didn't come on the air, and she didn't go on her Instagram. She didn't make it a thing. You know, she gossiped, which was wrong. But Dave Quinn told Tamara and then Tamara made it a thing, so.

[Ben]

Exactly.

[Ronnie]

She was messy. But I think, you know, don't cruise the lady over it.

[Ben]

Honestly, I could imagine if I had found out, like, oh, yeah. And then I heard that, like, that Tamara had roofied Gretchen, or Gretchen said that Tamara roofied her or something like that, or even said they were driving the system. I could imagine having cocktails with, like, I don't know, like, Courtney from Two Judgy Girls and Mary, too, and being like, you know what I heard? I heard that. Isn't that crazy after all these years? Like, she's, you know, that Happened like, haha, moving on. Get some goat cheese balls.

[Ronnie]

And if they went and they, they released that, we'd be pissed, you know, because you're supposed to be able to gossip.

[Ben]

You're supposed to be able to gossip with your fellow like podcasters. You are allowed to. And again, like, there's stuff that just stays with me and Ronnie. But like, but stupid like that, because let's not forget this is all just like a, a little thing, a little comment. Stupid like that sort of flies around between all of the, the content creators all the time. And someone violated it. Someone violated the pact of the content creators.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you're all messy. You're all messy, all of you. Shame, shame.

[Ben]

I just feel like dong. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie]

All right.

[Ben]

I wanted to defend Kiki on that note a little bit.

[Ronnie]

Okay. Yeah. Because it does become kind of a feeding frenzy, you know, where I was like, well, her. And yeah, I don't think it's that. I think I, I hope it's lesson learned. But also it's, it's hard to be friends with all these people on Bravo. Right? You know, you can't get too close with these people and then still report on them in a way that people are going to trust you. Like, you can't be going and hanging out with Janet and then being like, well, I like Janet, she's nice. Like Janet, it sucks. Like, you have to be able, if you're going to recap Bravo, you have to be able to say who sucks and who doesn't suck, even if you like them sometimes, just like I'm doing now when I like you, you know, like, you have to be able to do that. So I think it would be just very hard to be friends with all these people. You know, we've, we've made arms length friendships with people, but we are very honest with them that we're going to still give them shit the next day. And I think that's extremely important to do because, you know, you can't be, you can't be going to standing up for people just because they're being nice to you. They're not stupid. They're trying to make you say good things about them. Don't get tricked.

[Ben]

Don't get tricked. Don't get tricked. Well, on that note, we're gonna wrap up the, the, the audio portion of Crappy Hour. And before we do, just a reminder that this episode of Watch what Crappens was brought to you by Virgin Voyages.

[Ronnie]

Yes, Virgin. Thank you for the support and everybody out there, thank you so much for being here and we will talk to you next time. For those of you staying with us on YouTube and Instagram, we will put a link in the the comments right now for you to join us on camera. But everybody on audio. Love you guys. We'll talk to you next time.

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