#2997 RHOC S19E10 Part One: Beverly Shrillbillies

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #2997 RHOC S19E10 Part One: "Beverly Shrillbillies"

Date: September 12, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

Theme:
Ben and Ronnie deliver their signature irreverent, rapid-fire, and lovingly savage recap of "The Real Housewives of Orange County" (RHOC) Season 19, Episode 10. This half of their two-part recap, titled "Beverly Shrillbillies," dives deep into the ongoing social maneuverings, petty dramas, and lavish absurdities of the Housewives and their frenemies as Tamra plans a Temecula trip and Heather throws an elaborate "sleepover" in her penthouse. As always, the hosts’ tone is equal parts affectionate roasting and Bravo superfan obsession.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Culture Clash: Ballet vs. Housewives (03:17–04:10)

• Ronnie jokingly contrasts his night at the ballet with the cultural touchstone that is RHOC, paraphrasing the physical pain of ballet with the emotional contortions of reality TV housewives:
  "I went to the ballet and then I came home and watched Tamra... I think I prefer my culture.”
  (Ronnie, 03:42)

2. Shannon’s Botox Bonanza & Mother-Daughter Generational Divide (05:23–07:34)

• The episode opens with Shannon at the dermatologist, prompting hilarious impressions from Ben and Ronnie. Shannon’s daughter, Sophie, is cringing, leading to a larger commentary:
  • Ronnie mocks young people’s confidence in their skin:
    "It's so easy to be 20 years old...”
    (Ronnie, 06:34)
  • Ben declares:
    "This is life. Needles."
    (Ben, 07:21)
• Ronnie riffs on how he, too, has evolved on cosmetic work:
  "Back then... I'm never going to get plastic... Now I’m like, what can you cut off? Can I do it myself at home?”
  (Ronnie, 06:54)

3. Jen & Ryan, the Cybertruck, and Cheating Prophecies (08:14–09:58)

• Ben and Ronnie marvel at Jen and Ryan washing his Cybertruck (“the Cyber Beast”) and use it to forecast relationship doom:
  • Ronnie’s succinct take:
    “That man is going to cheat on you. Within two years from now.”
    (Ronnie, 09:28)
  • Ben:
    "Carrie Underwood is, like, ready to write a song about him. Not even 'Before He Cheats' – 'While He Cheats'."
    (Ben, 09:58)

4. Penthouse Punchlines: Heather’s Rich Life (10:08–11:07)

• Heather Dubrow unboxes Fendi and jokes with her husband about hiding shopping. The hosts mock the stereotypical “rich housewife” material:
  • “The joke is that husbands don’t like when wives shop all the time. It might affect our sexy times, which we are currently having in our other penthouse upstairs. That is only for sexy times.”
    (Heather Dubrow-as-parodied-by-Gina, 10:33)

5. Cheer Mom Insanity & Emily’s Burden (14:15–16:52)

• Emily describes her chaotic life as a “cheer mom,” exhaustion, and her son’s potential autism:
  • Ronnie, observing with dark glee:
    “They are hell on wheels. You're surrounded by screaming, obnoxious little beasts… then they get out there, and you're like, holy shit, how do these kids have this much talent?”
    (Ronnie, 15:14)
• The hosts praise (and lightly roast) Emily's ever-changing, sometimes disastrous interview looks, comparing them to iconic Housewives missteps.
  (16:15–17:28)

6. Lunch Ordering & Temecula Toasting (19:38–21:03)

• The women order at lunch, displaying classic Orange County neuroses.
  • Ben:
    "You were not able to make a haute couture look for this Mozambique-adjacent restaurant..."
    (Ben, 18:10)
  • The group contemplates the "Temecula" trip—Ben notes the name sounds un-glamorous, and Ronnie:
    “Temecula doesn’t sound pretty. It needs to be like a Santa something…”
    (Ronnie, 21:03)

7. Tamra & Shannon: Frenemy Invitations (12:18–14:23, 22:06–22:44)

• Tamra invites Shannon to the Temecula trip. Ben emphasizes Shannon’s dread:
  • “…she knows, if she tries to avoid this, Tamra will come for her. It’s inevitable. She will be put into an emotional trash compactor…”
    (Ben, 12:52)
• The hosts underscore Tamra’s contradictory behavior, wanting friendship but being relentlessly insulting:
  • Tamra (as parodied):
    “Yeah, she looks so ugly. Stupid. Hope she’ll be my friend again. Ugly bitch.”
    (Tamra, 22:35)

8. Gina as “Mediator”—or Not (29:07–29:53)

• Ronnie dismantles the idea that Gina can play peacemaker:
  “Gina has started most of the fights... She is a median that drunk drivers crash across.”
  (Ronnie, 29:31; Ben, 29:36)

9. Heather's Penthouse Podcast with Dylan Mulvaney (31:41–38:11)

• Heather records a podcast in lavish Beverly Hills style, hosting trans influencer Dylan Mulvaney. The hosts praise Dylan for showing up "in full Heather Dubrow cosplay."
  • Ronnie skewers Heather’s self-congratulatory stance:
    “I'm gonna do what I can to stand up for the richest trans people I can.”
    (Ronnie, 38:03)
• The interaction is equal parts sincere and parody of Heather’s privilege:
  • “They have yachts, they have two penthouses, an apartment, all in the same building... but I know a lot of kids don’t have those things. They usually only have one penthouse.”
    (Gina-as-parodied, 37:31)

10. Emily & Jen Volunteer at the Animal Shelter (38:21–43:43)

• The irreverent observations continue as Emily and Jen clean up at Mission Viejo Animal Services:
  • “My eyes haven’t worked right for two months now since I got my shit done, so I’m just... not even really a judgment as much as like, how much did it cost and where can I get it?”
    (Ronnie, 38:50)
• Emily’s family drama (her son Luke’s issues) gets further scrutinized. Ronnie unpacks his discomfort at Housewife storylines involving young children, contrasting real emotional vulnerability with what he views as potential exploitation.
  • “Emily's on here sobbing every year about something... leave your kids alone.”
    (Ronnie, 45:03)

11. Packing Chaos and "Alt Rock" Teenager Sophia (48:14–49:49)

• The hosts delight in Tamra’s daughter Sophia’s dry, perceptive quips as Tamra packs for Temecula, then joke about accidental "alt right" word slipups.
  • “I like, like, alt right? Teenage daughter who just knows her mom’s insane… Alt rock! Did I say alt right?”
    (Ronnie & Ben, 48:33–48:45)

12. Archie and the Avocado Mountain (50:36–63:36)

• Shannon says goodbye to her dog Archie, with snark about dog infidelity and evocative imagery:
  • “Another man leaves me behind to have sex with something younger and more attractive. Thank you so much, Archie.”
    (Shannon, 51:04)
• Shannon details her father’s failed “avocado mountain.” Ben fact-checks the viability of mountain avocados, finding her story suspect.
  • “Shannon, your father lied to you. Unless he had some avocado mountain in Mexico or Chile, I'm going to…”
    (Ben, 61:57)

13. Heather’s Sleepover: Extreme Luxe, Zero Cozy (58:30–65:37)

• The Beverly Hills sleepover is overproduced, sterile, and “not realistic” by either host’s standards.
  • “It’s so formal and so uninviting as a sleepover. Supposed to be cozy and fun… instead, it’s like a stark wood floor room.”
    (Ben, 58:56)
  • “She’s got a sleepover butler. Nate, would you please give the poors a piece of Oreo caviar?”
    (Gina-as-parodied, 65:37)

14. Temecula Arrival & Shannon's Pots, Pans, and Teeth (56:57–69:13)

• The women arrive in Temecula; Shannon packs two suitcases, one full of pots, pans, and even loose gluten-free pasta.
  • “She was pulling out like Mackenzie’s Child’s serving platters…”
    (Ronnie, 68:24)
• Shannon’s “missing flippers” (teeth) become a point of mockery:
  • “Shannon, stop showing us your gums.”
    (Tamra, 57:31)

15. The Fatty Photo & Forgiveness Patterns (73:00–74:29)

• Emily recounts the fallout from the “fatty photo” drama and observes the endless cycle of Housewives never properly addressing issues, only papering them over, while Ben and Ronnie roast how the photo (of a very normal-looking Jen) has catalyzed so much drama.
  • “You don’t... She was calling you fat. And by the way, she was saying... she used to be fat. That was the intent. Why are we reading so deeply into this?”
    (Ronnie, 74:11)

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MEMORABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS (with Timestamps)

• On Tamra’s Consistency as a Friend:
  "Yeah, she looks so ugly. Stupid. Hope she’ll be my friend again. Ugly bitch."
  – Tamra (parodied by Ronnie), 22:35

• On Real Housewives Relationship Cycles:
  “There are a lot of things that have history, and there doesn’t mean—just because you have history does not mean it’s a good history... Have you been to Europe?”
  – Ben, 27:11

• Gina as Pot-Stirrer, Not Mediator:
  “She is a median that drunk drivers crash across.”
  – Ben, 29:36

• Heather's Tone-Deaf Wealth:
  “They have yachts, they have two penthouses...I know a lot of kids don’t have those things. They usually only have one penthouse.”
  – Gina (as-parodied), 37:31

• Emily’s Interview Look, Dragged:
  “It is like watching the trash compactor scene in Final Destination because when a new Emily look comes on, I just close my eyes.”
  – Ronnie, 16:52

• On Temecula’s Reputation:
  “Temecula doesn’t sound pretty... It needs to be like a Santa something.”
  – Ronnie, 21:03

• On Shannon’s Packing Skills:
  “She was pulling out like Mackenzie’s Child’s serving platters. And that was that.”
  – Ronnie, 68:24

• Fact-Checking the Avocado Mountain:
  “Shannon, your father lied to you. Unless he had some avocado mountain in Mexico or Chile, I'm going to…”
  – Ben, 61:57

• Summing Up Heather’s Sleepover Extremes:
  “It’s so formal and so uninviting as a sleepover. Supposed to be cozy and fun."
  – Ben, 58:56

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TIMESTAMPS OF NOTEWORTHY SEGMENTS

• 03:17: Ballet vs. Housewives – culture wars
• 05:23–07:34: Shannon at the dermatologist, generational beauty feuds
• 08:14: Jen & Ryan wash the Cybertruck, cheating prophecies
• 10:08: Heather’s lavish penthouse life
• 12:18: Tamra invites Shannon to Temecula; emotional traps
• 15:14: Cheer Mom nightmares
• 22:06: Tamra’s faux olive branches
• 29:07: Gina as (terrible) mediator
• 31:41: Heather’s podcast taping with Dylan Mulvaney
• 38:21: Emily/ Jen at the animal shelter; over-sharing family drama
• 48:14: Sophia’s dry humor
• 50:36: Archie the dog and avocado mountain flashback
• 58:30: Heather’s over-produced penthouse sleepover
• 56:57: Shannon's bags—pots, pans, and teeth
• 73:00: "Fatty photo" redux

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FINAL THOUGHTS

Ben and Ronnie deliver another chaotic, deeply observational, and uproariously funny dissection of RHOC, highlighting both the absurdities of the cast and the underlying real-world emotional messiness. The lines between parody, affection, and ruthless critique are deliciously blurred, as only Watch What Crappens can do.

Tune in to Part Two for the conclusion of this Bravo-fueled, pot-stirring saga.

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[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to watch what crafts. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben over there. Hey, Ben.

[Ben]

Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

[Ronnie]

Good. I went to the ballet last night, so I feel very cultured today. Saw a lot of wow, people dancing on their toes, jumping up in the air and stuff. So nice.

[Ben]

I love that we felt cultured before. You had to then sit down and watch Tamara take everyone to Temecula for wine.

[Ronnie]

For wine tasting. I went to the ballet and then I came home and watched Tamara. And I don't know, I think I prefer my culture. I prefer the Orange County. No, the ballet was great, but I was sitting there watching it thinking, God, my back hurts just from sitting down. Like, I was sitting down, I was like, out my back. I was like, you're sitting down? Like, what, do you want to lay down at the ballet? No, sir. You have to at least sit down. And I was still in pain. I don't know how those people do it. That's a lot of work.

[Ben]

Yeah, ballet is. It's hard. It's really hard.

[Tamra]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

What the hell? And then I had to come home and listen to Jen talk about her disgusting, quote, unquote, fatty photo. I was like, really? Now I have to hear it from you? And that's not even a fatty photo. So I don't know, it basically scrambled my brain. But today is Real Housewives of Orange county day. It's a Friday, which is always very exciting in these parts, as I'm sure a lot of your parts. Ooh, all your parts. Is exciting in your parts. Guys, it's Orange county today. Monday is Amazon Live day, which is going to be super fun. That's at 4pm Pacific Time. Okay. Every other Monday. And then when we're not doing that at 5:30 Pacific time, we're doing crappy hour on Mondays, which is on the YouTube and the Patreon for free and the Instagram. So check those out if you want times and all that. Just check our social Instagram. Okay. I was reading that social is ruining the country. Right before this, I was reading an article because, you know, the shooting and all that stuff.

[Tamra]

They're like, oh, my God, social media is ruining the country.

[Ronnie]

And I was like, no, the country's ruining the country. We need social media to see what Jim Pedranti is breaking down about. So let's not get rid of social media quite yet. I need it.

[Ben]

Yes. Well, on that note, let's dive into today's episode, which deals with much happier topics, such as Shannon going to the.

[Shannon]

Dermatologist'S office and get her face injected.

[Jen]

Sophie, look at this. Isn't this hilarious?

[Shannon]

I'm getting an injection. I'm getting an injection. Just the way your father got an injection of slut five years ago. Is this numbing? Is this numbing?

[Heather Dubrow]

Just like that blonde slut on the.

[Tamra]

Beach got an injection of. David, David, David, David.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she's getting some Botox. And this is. Oh, I've got Miami notes open. Wrong show, Wrong show. I was like, I don't care what happens. Mary Soul is at fault.

[Shannon]

Well, I would. I just want to say that if people don't follow Genakit, you are not on the plane.

[Jen]

Wait, what am I even saying? Is this what I normally say?

[Heather Dubrow]

Jettiquette? Am I right? It's a new term.

[Ronnie]

I made it up.

[Heather Dubrow]

Jettiquette.

[Ronnie]

That's next.

[Gina]

If you ever follow Marcus Jordan again, it will cost you a lot. I don't normally say this.

[Ben]

What's happening?

[Ronnie]

So her daughter's there. Sophie and Sophia. Sophie. I don't know. And Sophie is cringing.

[Tamra]

She's like, oh, my God, needles.

[Ronnie]

Shut up. You know, it's so easy to be 20 years old and be like, even.

[Tamra]

Doing that to yourself.

[Ronnie]

Shut up. The second you get one crow's eye, your ass is going to be sitting right in that chair. I don't even want to hear it from the youth. I remember when we started this show, and I was like, you know, I'm never going to get plastic, so I'm not going to do any. That's ridiculous.

[Tamra]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

I was a young child back then. Now I'm like, what can you do? What can you cut off? How much is it? Can I do it by myself at home? I'm, like, looking up at YouTube's like, how do I get rid of my waddle? With a knife and some, you know, like, with a. A chef's knife and some. Some string. I'll do whatever I can. Okay.

[Ben]

Yeah, just sew it up like a football. So actually, I think Shannon says something that feels like. Feels quite poetic.

[Shannon]

She says, oh, Sophie, stop with the faces. It's fine. I have no issues. This is life.

[Tamra]

Needles.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

That should be a T shirt. This is life. Needles.

[Ronnie]

That's true. That's what we need to be teaching our children, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Life. I'll tell you what isn't my life is pain. Life is needles. Just shut the up. You want your face to move? Then shut the up and get this needle.

[Ben]

I'll tell you what life were.

[Gina]

I.

[Ben]

What is. I wish life were those things that, you know, they take. You know, when you. When you, like when you trash something at the. The junkyard and they have those compressors, they just squish it down into a little metal, little pancake, you know, to save space. I wish life were that. And it happened to Ryan's. His cyber truck. Because of course this guy has a cyber truck. As we cut to Ryan and Jen washing his cyber truck.

[Ronnie]

Like, of course.

[Ben]

I mean, I mean, first rule of cyber truck is that you also wear denim with paint splatters on it. I mean, everyone knows that. But here he is, washing, washing this, or as he calls it, the cyber beast. Ugh. Praying, praying that there is a safe. No one gets hurt. Totaling of this car.

[Ronnie]

A trash compactor. I saw that Final Destination movie, the most recent one, someone got killed in the trash compactor. And I was like, what a way to go. What a way to go.

[Ben]

And if you're messing around, if you're near a trash compactor, you know you're going to get Final Destination, right? Like, there's certain things where it's like, okay, like a board game falls over and it knocks a picture frame into a camera lens. The camera lens rolls and knocks a glass of water into an outlet and electrocuted it. Okay, that's a freak accident. But if it was a good round.

[Ronnie]

Because they even saw it coming, they were like, oh, no, it's a truck. Get out of the way.

[Tamra]

Get out of the way.

[Ronnie]

The garbage truck. And they. Oh, they're like, oh, my God, we're saved. But then this girl started jogging and like a baseball hit her in the head and she fell into a trash can, which flipped her into the. They flipped it over into the. It was so stupid and amazing and yes, I.

[Ben]

That's actually hilarious.

[Ronnie]

Now. Yeah. The Final Destination. So it's like the most fun ways to die. But yeah, I was thinking about that with the cybertruck. Shove it in there, you know, get that final destination for sure. Watching the cyber beast. That man is going to cheat on you. If you. If there weren't already the signs of you. That man was cheating with you in the parking lot of a gym already. That he will cheat on you in the future. This man has. This man will cheat on you. He's gonna cheat on you within two years. I'm gonna say within two years from now.

[Ben]

Yeah, I think Carrie Underwood is, like, ready to write a song about him. It's not even before he cheats. It's like when. During. And as he continues to cheat. That will be her next song.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, he's probably already cheating. So then we go to Heather's penthouse and they're unboxing. She's got a bunch of, like, Fendi delivered to her because she's so rich.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Gina]

Look at my fabulous penthouse life with my husband. We have hilarious rapport. Oh, no. He's seeing me open up the packages. He's not supposed to see that. That is bad.

[Heather Dubrow]

The joke is that husbands don't like when wives shop all the time. It might affect our sexy times, which we are currently having in our other penthouse upstairs. That is only for sexy times.

[Gina]

You see, in comedy, they have a concept called setup and punchline. And the setup is we are in a penthouse and he is a doctor earning money, and I'm spending his money too much. And he doesn't realize, but he caught me. And therefore, what we have is a comedic moment that happens.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Gina]

I am taking implants.

[Ronnie]

So back at the dermatologist now, Sophie's getting a facial, and the esthetician's like, you're gonna look like a glazed donut.

[Tamra]

Oh, really? Gentle, eat. Probably. So it's just my scenes dedicated in there, so I don't know why everybody's so mad at me. I don't know why.

[Shannon]

Mother, stop biting my face. Oh, I. I heard something about a glazed on it. I'm so sorry, daughter. So Shannon's like, I will absolutely encourage my girls to do the most natural anti aging procedures because we know face lifts are expensive. That was a. That was a joke. A callback. So when I. When I received what I thought was a gift for a facelift and turned out it was alone by a pathetic man who's now marrying a pathetic woman. Thank you.

[Tamra]

I'll tell you what was free. The boyfriend lift, which Alexis Molino gave me. So enjoy your lifted boyfriend. Stolen boyfriend. Bitch killer.

[Ronnie]

So Shannon's like, I will absolutely encourage.

[Tamra]

My girls to do the most natural anti aging procedures because it's. Yes, Ben already said that line.

[Ronnie]

So in the waiting room, Shannon picks up a call and it's from.

[Tamra]

Where are you right now? I just got a facial. Well, hey, I'm calling you for an actual reason, not just to say hi. I wanted to invite you to the private resort and a vineyard in particular because it's like a 24 hour trip. It's gonna be me, Eugene and Jenna. Just girlfriends. Spring girlfriends and girlfriend things. I don't know if you're gonna tell the difference between me and Sharon because she's a stalker and she's trying to look just like me, but whatever. Dumb. Come on.

[Ben]

Shannon has a look on her face like she is in fact participating in final best donation because she knows if she tries to avoid this, like, Tamara will come for her. It's like it's. It's inevitable. She will be put into an emotional trash compactor because you cannot avoid Tamra.

[Shannon]

She's like, well, oh, I like, okay, well, I guess. I guess I could do. I guess I could do that. Thank you for the invitation.

[Ben]

She's like, clearly does not want to do this, but knows, like, she has to. She absolutely has to do this. And yeah, she's already. She's already, like preparing mentally for how horrible this will be.

[Tamra]

Oh, come on, Shannon. It's a gigantic house. It's a swimming pool. You could wear your bikini. It's gonna be so funny. We're gonna take your picture in your bikini. Come on, Shannon. It's gonna be me. I'm not really very a bikini. Oh, well, you don't have to. I mean, if you're a wussy, bet you could if you're a big strong woman. Didn't mind. Come on, let's take a picture of the bikini. Shannon.

[Jen]

Come on. Do you want to go?

[Shannon]

Because I think it'd just be great just to reunite and have some fun.

[Jen]

It's gonna be so much fun. Bitch to make you loud.

[Shannon]

Oh, okay. Well, have a good day. You know, I'm very hesitant to go on this trip. I just wanna. I just wanna hang up the phone. But like she is trying to do, she's trying to better herself, which matters. And my concern is going on the trip is I don't know which camera I am going to get. Am I going to laugh like I.

[Jen]

Did in New Orleans with her, or.

[Shannon]

Am I going to cry and sob like I did in New Orleans with her anytime I was with Her.

[Ronnie]

So then we go to Amina, a clothing and lifestyle store, and Emily's here. So Emily is shopping with Tamra, and.

[Emily]

She'S like, wow, it's so expensive. Wow, it's good to be expensive, right? I'm just so tired because Annabelle had a cheer competition this morning, and I have a son who might possibly have autism. What am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to do?

[Shannon]

Yeah, I saw on Instagram.

[Jen]

That was hilarious.

[Ben]

So Emily's like, yeah, Gina was there too.

[Gretchen]

I mean, normally they're not.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I can find another person that's going through it like me.

[Ben]

So Emily's saying this really compelling story about how she went to a chill cheer meet, but then Gina was there too, and they were both there. It was exciting. So then Emily tells us. And by the way, let me tell.

[Ronnie]

You, any mom of a cheerleader knows this pain, you know, And I don't like to. I don't like to have anything in common with Emily because I find her painfully annoying. But I do keep sandwiches in my purse. And also, I've done. I've gone to a lot of these cheerleading competitions. Ben, they are hell. They are hell on wheels. Okay? You have to wake your kid up. They put all this. You should see. Have you seen the kids at these cheerleading. Have you seen the makeup and the hair? The aqua Net alone, the ribbons, the hair? I mean, it's ridiculous. They get. They do get up hours early, and then the moms go out there, and the dads have to wear their pink sparkle T shirts and stuff. Everybody gets really into it. And you were there all fucking day surrounded by screaming, obnoxious little beasts, you know? And then they get out there, and you're like, holy shit. How do these kids have this much talent? What the hell? My back hurts sitting down. Why am I always thinking that?

[Ben]

Yeah, it seems like an awful activity. So Emily tells us, for something that's called cheer, it really seems to elicit a lot of growth.

[Ronnie]

It doesn't induce a lot of that.

[Ben]

Yeah, it does not. So Emily. I want to give some props to Emily because obviously she has a. An interview look this season that's not her finest. We've all seen it, and I think we're all just trying to be polite about it. But it's not a great look for her. She debuted a new interview look that actually is, like, pretty banging. So I'm like. I'm happy to see that her pendulum swung the other way. So I just want to give her props. I think people deserve their flowers when they. When they. When they grow them. So I'm gonna give her some props for that before I probably totally thrash for the rest of the episode.

[Ronnie]

I don't even notice. It is like watching the trash compactor scene in Final Destination because when an Emily, a new Emily look comes on, I just close my eyes. Like, I'm not. I can't.

[Ben]

The one she's rocking this year, that one, the ponytail is like. There are certain housewives looks over the years that just go in. They just sort of go in the books. Like, we'll always remember Teresa with the big, like, Mad Max shoulders. And I mean, that's to me, like the chief number one. Like, misstep.

[Ronnie]

I don't know.

[Ben]

I'm trying. I can't even think of actually any other, like, really, really bad ones. But this Emily one is right up there, I have to say.

[Shannon]

And.

[Ben]

And Gretchen, too, but really, the Emily one?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So now we're at the Brandt Kitchen and Bar, and Gina is going to have lunch with Shannon. Shannon.

[Emily]

We're just.

[Tamra]

Look at us. What a group. Is this the first time we've ever been together? I think so. Probably this is the last time, hopefully. Can we get Marilyn Monroe in here, please? I only had 15 minutes to get dressed.

[Ronnie]

That's the name of every Gina look of all time.

[Ben]

I know. That's her. That's her vision board. She is like. She is the Rachael Ray of styling.

[Shannon]

It's a minute or less.

[Ben]

No shit. Sorry, sorry. You were not able to make a haute couture look for this Mozambique adjacent restaurant you guys are at right now.

[Ronnie]

The brand. And Jen's like, oh, well, thank you so much for coming.

[Tamra]

Even.

[Ronnie]

I mean, you're such a hot cheer mom.

[Tamra]

Look at you. Look at you.

[Ronnie]

You're so hot and you're so cheer.

[Tamra]

Thank you. We doing a second place and Annabelle's on two teams. It's crazy.

[Ben]

And she was like, oh, Emily was there too.

[Shannon]

So Gina's like, yeah, Emily loves, like, cheerleading. And she was like, a cheerleader. And like, I loathe cheerleading. Like, but Sienna's so happy and she's so nice to me. Like, I've got spirit. Y.

[Ronnie]

And then we see a picture of Emily as a cheerleader, I guess, in junior high or something. And you really see the difference that 20 years makes or 30 years, whatever it is. Because those girls didn't have to do their hair and their makeup like that. I mean, she came out with all stringy hair and shit.

[Emily]

Like, she was just like, I just got off. I Guess we'll do some cheering. Go, go, Siskumba or whatever.

[Ronnie]

And now it's cold in here.

[Gretchen]

There must be a new hip in the atmosphere.

[Tamra]

There must be.

[Emily]

It's cold in here. There must be a chicken sandwich in my purse.

[Tamra]

There is.

[Shannon]

There is.

[Tamra]

Sorry, girls.

[Gretchen]

My team is a tuna sandwich, and we're gonna eat you up.

[Ronnie]

So they order, and they do very Orange county ordering.

[Tamra]

Oh, well, we'll have the asparagus fries. That's fair. It's fine. We'll have an artichoke. We'll have. We'll have. How about just a piece of lettuce with a side of ranch? But put the side of ranch on the other table. I don't want to be tempted.

[Shannon]

Do you have sweet potatoes now? Can you actually peel those sweet potatoes for me? Great. You will take the sweet potato peels and nothing else. Thank you so much. Thank you.

[Ronnie]

So they make small talk, and then Shannon mentions. Well, Jen mentions. I guess Temecula first. Temecula.

[Heather Dubrow]

Temecula. Guys. Temecula.

[Ronnie]

Temecula doesn't sound pretty. I don't like the name of the place, but it looks very pretty. Have you ever been to Temecula?

[Ben]

I. I have been to Temecula. It is pretty. I went to a corn maze there. They used to have a giant corn maze. I don't know if they still do it. And then I went to some wineries afterwards. It was nice, but it was like, definitely, like. It's, like trashy nights, if that makes sense. Like, we went to one, like, wine. We went to, like, we went to different vineyards. There's one vineyard that was like gargoyles, and it was like a weird medieval fantasy theme. I was like, this is strange. But, yeah, it was. It was weird. But I think the name Temecula just does not sound. Not sound bougie or whatever.

[Shannon]

It's like, we're going Temecula.

[Tamra]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

It needs to be like a Santa something. Right? Like, oh, we're going to Santa Cruz, Santa Barbara, Santa something.

[Ben]

So when Jen says I. Like when Jen says, I said yes to Temecula, because I feel like that is actually so much of what her Persona is. I mean, I feel like Ryan is like, temecula. She's like, when she says, I said yes to Temecula, that's like her saying, I also said yes to the cyber truck. I said yes to Ryan. I said yes to Bikini beach wedding.

[Tamra]

Well, I don't. I don't want to answer the question, because I'm just not. I don't I'm not ready for that. You know, I can't go back to the friendship. I just can't do it. I'm good with just sitting where I am right now, right now, right here. Do you think we can move tables?

[Ronnie]

Actually?

[Tamra]

It's very, very warm right here with the sun coming in. I just had face stuff done.

[Shannon]

I need a cushioned seat, actually, so I wonder if we actually could move.

[Ben]

So we go back to Tamara. We're gonna cross cut between the scenes. Tamara's like.

[Shannon]

So I decided to take a few girls to Temecula, and I invited Shannon to go. And when I called her, the girl was a hot mess. Her hair's sticking up, her boobs are.

[Jen]

Spilling out of a shirt. Look at.

[Shannon]

She looks stupid.

[Ben]

I'm like, she was getting facial work done. What are you trying to. What cake? Like, you cannot act like you're trying to build a bridge with Tamara while you're also with Shannon, while you're also building a case against her. Like, already setting the. Establishing a tone.

[Shannon]

She's psycho.

[Ben]

Look at her. She's drunk and she's out of sorts of. We looked at your green face for, like, three weeks on social media last year. Okay, like, stop coming for Shannon over this.

[Ronnie]

That's so funny, though. So Tamara.

[Tamra]

Yeah. She looks so ugly. Stupid. Hope she'll be my friend again. Ugly bitch.

[Ronnie]

So she's. And also when she says her boobs are spilling out of her shirt. Shannon's shirt was, like, up to here. It was, like, up to her. Is that your navel? What is this part? Your collarbone? Goes, like, up to her collarbone.

[Tamra]

And Shannon's like, oh, my God, Put your peeps away. I'm giving up that treatment. So. Okay, it's the bra. It's the bra.

[Shannon]

I'm out of sorts because they've turned my daughter into a donut. And I don't know if I'm happy or sad about that.

[Ronnie]

It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

So Rani, you just got something from Quince, didn't you? Didn't something just arrive?

[Ronnie]

It is a gorge. Speaking of cashmere, I just got a cashmere hoodie from them. It's like an oatmeal color. It is so beautiful, like I'm almost afraid to wear it because I don't want to mess it up. It's one of the nicest things in my wardrobe. So when I need to class it up this fall and you will be seeing me in this hoodie.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

Yeah. And when you think of game day, you might not think Wayfair, but you should. Because Wayfair is the best kept secret for incredible and affordable game day finds.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Jen]

Yeah. I said, hey, Shannon. I was all like. And I was all like uppy and.

[Shannon]

And like, you know, and she. And she's like, oh. I was like, we're gonna do this.

[Jen]

And this and this this. And she's like, huh?

[Tamra]

Huh?

[Ben]

I'm like, why are you. It was a perfectly benign phone call, and Shannon's response was totally normal. And she was probably thinking, wow, I'm. I'm FaceTiming with Tamara, and she's probably gonna make fun of my appearance now, so she's probably guarded, and guess what? You're doing. Making fun of her appearance.

[Ronnie]

And so she says, yeah, I guess.

[Tamra]

My delivery was bad last year with Shannon.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Tamra]

My delivery was bad.

[Ronnie]

I wish they had put in you.

[Tamra]

Drunk up in this stupid bitch. I hope you die in a fire, you dumb, ugly twat.

[Ronnie]

They didn't. And so she's like, yeah, I feel.

[Tamra]

So bad about it, but, you know, we've got history there. We've been friends for so long. I like strawberry history, so, you know, I could be a friend if you just stop holding the grudge with Tamara.

[Ronnie]

Is never what she did. It's always just the. You just keep holding on to it. If you could just let it go.

[Tamra]

We could get on with this. Come on, keep it moving.

[Ben]

There are a lot of things that have history, and there doesn't mean. Just because you have history does not mean it's a good history.

[Gina]

Okay?

[Ben]

You could look at various regions of the world right now that have a lot of history. It's not working out so well.

[Ronnie]

Okay, Girl literally read history. It's not a happy story. Okay.

[Ben]

Have you been to Europe?

[Ronnie]

Like, you know what? I need a. Yeah. No one's like, I need a feel good read today. I'm going to read history.

[Ben]

Like, she's like, we have history. Yeah. And your history is. Is of you two fighting for 10 years straight. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So now we're gonna do.

[Tamra]

Yes.

[Shannon]

Stupid bitch.

[Ben]

Tamara's like.

[Shannon]

So then she goes, okay, thank you.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Gretchen]

What else do you want her to say? Emma's like, well, sounds like it'll be a fun trip. I'm gonna do something a lot more fun, which is have a very orchestrated and unpleasant and cold sleepover in Beverly Hills. But we'll get to that later. Oh, have fun.

[Ronnie]

So then at the other place, Shannon's.

[Tamra]

Like, well, I called my therapist before I came here, and she said, would you like that biggie sized? I said, hold on a second. So I called my real one, and she said, well, you've been very clear that you are able to exist with boundaries, and you should not go on this trip. Absolutely not. So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go because the girls are like, well, you should come for me. I mean, you should come for me. We're so close, aren't we?

[Shannon]

We don't want to be stuck alone with her. Okay, fine with us. And that's what she said. She said, well, my. You know, I said to her, I said, my friends are going to say.

[Ben]

You know, come for us.

[Shannon]

We'll be there. We'll have fun. And then my therapist said, ma', am, this is the kind bar world headquarters. There was not an actual therapy office.

[Jen]

And I said, I'm so sorry.

[Shannon]

I didn't mean to call you by accident, but do you have any customer service agents? I would like another shipment. And they said, ma', am, you have to get off the phone Anyway, so I'll be going to Temecula.

[Ronnie]

So, yeah, they talk her into it. And then back at the store, Emily's.

[Emily]

Like, wait, so you invited Shannon? Who else is gonna come?

[Tamra]

You know, my best girlfriends.

[Ronnie]

And so Tamara's like, yeah, Shannon's gonna be a tough one to crack, but Gina can be the mediator girl. Gina has started most of the fights that you're in with everybody because Gina. Gina, and Emily go around stirring the pot. How in what world is Gina gonna be a mediator for anybody that can be reliable? Come on.

[Ben]

She is not. She is a median that drunk drivers crash across.

[Ronnie]

She's a medianator. She's not.

[Ben]

She is not. I do not want to rely on.

[Ronnie]

Gina for this Gina to be a mediator. She's just a mediator. She just survives to be middle.

[Ben]

So Emily is like, well, by the.

[Gretchen]

Way, you should have taken Gretchen, too. Then it could have just been a whole kumbaya bonding moment for you, Tamra.

[Shannon]

Tamara's like, yeah, that's a bit too much for me right now.

[Ben]

So then back at the other restaurant, Jen is like, you know, if she's.

[Shannon]

Really taking the time, Shannon, and working on herself, then let's be here. We're the bigger people.

[Jen]

Yeah. Literally.

[Shannon]

Hey, who said that?

[Ronnie]

We've definitely got the biggest triangular trucks, so let's. Thank you so much.

[Tamra]

So Gina's like, clearly, there's things like you have behind the surface, so let's, like, look at it like an opportunity to possibly clear some things out. Okay. Let's, like, keep it light. Like, you could wear a sun hat. Like, oh, yeah.

[Ronnie]

Let's find men for you. Let's find men for you. We'll just sit in gym parking lots and wait for some. Someone will show up, I'm sure of It. Shannon, I believe in you. I believe in you, Shannon.

[Shannon]

Gotta open the snackle. Dust it off. Are we talking about my purse? What do you mean, the snack hole? No, the Snackle. You know, the granola cruci. You know what I'm talking about. I'm not following is that's a slang of some sort. Your vagina.

[Jen]

What? Oh, gin.

[Shannon]

Well, that was a lot. It's a lot, Jen.

[Ronnie]

A snack hole.

[Ben]

I don't. I don't know either.

[Ronnie]

The fuck is a snack hole? Is it a vagina?

[Shannon]

The rustic. The rustic coil.

[Ronnie]

So then, yeah, I can't think about it. It's breaking my brain. My brain is melting out of my ears. So then we go to podcast one where Heather Dubrow.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's recording.

[Ronnie]

Okay. This is the most horrifying fucking shot to open this scene. It's a close up of Heather's. I'm going to do it for Kraftins on demand. I had nightmares when I went to bed. This is Heather's face close up on a giant poster in her podcast. It's like.

[Ben]

It is. I know exactly which photo.

[Ronnie]

Intense. What is that look? She's. I'm like, please don't hurt me, please. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I brought your water to the table. Too late, ma'. Am. It's like the look that every busboy gets gets when he messes up, you know, the. The plating or whatever, the breading of the table.

[Ben]

Yeah, it's very much. It sort of like reminded me of like the post art for Fright Night growing up. So.

[Gina]

So Heather is like, Steve, Steve, can I check the headset level? Is Alfredo here? Can Alfredo check the levels for me? Anyone?

[Shannon]

Hello.

[Gina]

Testing, 1, 2, 3. Testing, 1, 2, three. Television's Heather Debrow. Testing, 1, 2,3. 2, 3. 1, 2, 3. Steve.

[Shannon]

Steve.

[Gina]

It's Steve, right?

[Shannon]

My name is Joanne. Steve.

[Gina]

Okay, could you check the levels?

[Heather Dubrow]

Rich, Rich, Rich, Rich, Rich, Rich, Rich, Rich, Rich, Rich, Rich, Rich, Rich, Rich. Do we have it? Okay, from the top.

[Gina]

I always tell my. Like I always tell my servants how.

[Ben]

Many paces they have to stand behind me.

[Gina]

Three, two, one. Okay, we're live.

[Ronnie]

So she's like, I've always done my.

[Heather Dubrow]

Podcast in Beverly Hills, but ever since we've moved back to la, it's opened incredible doors for me. I feel like I've been given a very special opportunity to use this podcast to promote voices that don't usually get heard.

[Ronnie]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having.

[Tamra]

Not you.

[Ben]

Please get out of here.

[Ronnie]

Not you, Jen.

[Ben]

So in walks Dylan Mulvaney and sits down for the podcast.

[Gina]

And she's like, okay, everyone, let's talk with Heather Dubrow starts now. Well, my guest today, I've known her for a while. She's the most fabulous person. Please welcome Dylan Mulvaney.

[Ben]

And so Dylan's like, hi, how's it going? Whatever. And of course, somewhere Gretchen Rossi was having a very difficult time listening to this episode, I'm sure.

[Ronnie]

Let me just say, Dylan Mulvaney shows up in full Heather Dubrow cosplay, which I loved. I mean, dressed just like her, acting just like her.

[Emily]

It was.

[Ronnie]

Was weird. They were like sisters. And she's like, oh, Heather, I just.

[Tamra]

Where did we meet, Heather? I forgot where we met. Where was it again? Oh, Kathy Hilton's house, of course.

[Ronnie]

Got him over there all the time.

[Tamra]

I just love old Kath, don't you? Oh, she's.

[Heather Dubrow]

Sure, sure. Very much. You know what was fun? Do you remember when I turned around to introduce you to Reba McIntyre, but then we realized that Reba wasn't invited?

[Shannon]

Ah. Ah.

[Ben]

And Dylan's like, yes.

[Shannon]

She was like one of the first.

[Ben]

Celebrities I ever met. You know, she's like, I would have sworn you were a CIS woman. I mean, you know, she didn't say cis, but I was just like. Just. Was just one of those pinch me moments. And, well. Oh, gosh, you know, you played my. Remember. Remember you played my mom in a. In a music video?

[Gina]

Well, you know, of course I did. Syracuse University. I was the lead in Anything Goes. I guess Anything went. That was great role. Thank you so much, Dylan, for offering it to me.

[Ronnie]

Oh, it just makes me so emotional, Heather. I mean, not every woman in this town would do that for me. You know, transness is very polarizing, and.

[Heather Dubrow]

So is boredom is meant.

[Tamra]

God.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Those extremists also want to make someone like you scared to support someone like me.

[Gina]

And it's so funny, because so many people are just generally scared to even be near me. So I understand.

[Heather Dubrow]

I don't understand transness per se, but I do understand people being terrified of you. Isn't it great?

[Ronnie]

No, no, I don't mean in that way.

[Heather Dubrow]

I mean, really, every time I walk into a room, cleaning ladies start running around. You know, last week, a gardener hid behind a bush as I came down the walk. It felt so good.

[Gina]

I said, alfredo, get back. Get. Get back to work. Stop hiding from that bush. Oh, man. You know, every mom is worried about their children's safety, so am I concerned about the world and how they perceive the queer community. Yes, I'm worried. And just like I always tell Gretchen Rossi, so lovely to see you again. Anyway, back to this.

[Ben]

I know. I was like, you might want to.

[Ronnie]

Start in your own backyard. Although Gretchen, you know, is trying to repair her reputation that she's earned by following letting Slade go on her Instagram and follow random queer accounts. It's like, gretchen, Gretchen Rossi now following Queer News. Oh, really? Wow. Really branching out there, Gretchen.

[Ben]

Oh, Gretchen.

[Tamra]

Hey, everybody. This is just me. Just me hanging out with seven of my closest Asian friends in Orange County. God, I love Asians.

[Jen]

So funny.

[Ronnie]

However, right after she got in trouble for her, you know, shitty post that she did with Jet on there. I mean, these people.

[Ben]

These people. I know. Next. And next week, they're going to. It's. It's Gretchen going to a gay bar. So we'll see how that goes.

[Shannon]

I was like.

[Ben]

I was rooting for you, Gretchen.

[Gretchen]

I was really enjoying your comeback.

[Ronnie]

Well, to be fair, I was never rooting for you, so that. That felt good.

[Ben]

Well, you know, it's like that whole, like, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But then when you find out that your friend has problematic views, you're like, oh, now what? So Heather is like, anyway, I know.

[Gina]

That my kids are lucky because they.

[Ben]

Have a supportive family, they have resources, they have yachts, they have two penthouses, an apartment, all in the same building.

[Gina]

But I know a lot of kids.

[Ben]

Don'T have those things.

[Gina]

They usually only have one penthouse. So it's difficult.

[Heather Dubrow]

I'm sure it's very difficult for those children. I don't speak to them, but I'm sure that it's difficult.

[Gina]

That's why I hand out Godiva chocolates to the poor.

[Ronnie]

So basically, Heather's like, I'm gonna do.

[Heather Dubrow]

What I can to stand up for the richest trans people I can.

[Ronnie]

So it was actually a nice scene.

[Ben]

It was a very nice scene.

[Ronnie]

She says bye to Dylan. But, yeah, you got to make fun of my other scene. So then we go to Mission Viejo Animal Services.

[Emily]

Oh, my God. Please say you have someone hot to help us.

[Ronnie]

I don't know what Emily has done to her face lately, but she's, I think, over injected. Because I don't know if you noticed, but in these scenes, like, one of her eyes is kind of more closed and they're kind of crying at all times. She's, like, crying the whole episode, like, she doesn't even know it. I don't even know what she's focusing on. What's happening over there.

[Ben]

It's just. There are just so many things that are wrong with this one look.

[Ronnie]

And by the way, my eyes haven't worked right for two months now since I got my shit done. So I'm just. It's not even really a judgment as much as, like, what is it? How much did it cost and what are the benefits and where can I get it? So I'm literally looking for an answer.

[Ben]

It's. It's. Yeah, it's like a welder's mask. It's like. Well, there's mask with a little gap in the middle. That's sort of what's happening. Anyway, I swear I'm a good person. So Emily is like, oh, I'm a good.

[Gretchen]

Hi, I'm. I'm Emily. Nice to meet you. I'm here. I'm here to help with dogs and cats.

[Ben]

And she's. And she's saying they just. They're gonna help with animals and. And everything. So she's. They have to go to, like, they wind up going to the cattery, which I loved because the cats were so cute, and they wind up. And. And Gina. Jenna's not Jenna. Jen is there helping Emily, and they're cleaning out poop, which is again, another visual metaphor on the show, except the poop. The litter box never seems to get quite clean. It does it on Real Housewives of Orange County.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So they're. They're volunteering and cleaning up and stuff. And they've got like a semi hot guy, and he walks him around. He's like, okay, guys, well, here's your next volunteering opportunity. Playing with puppies, like, oh, thank you so much.

[Tamra]

I just love playing with the puppies. I adopt so many pets. I've got like, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 30 cats at a time. It's. It's great. Yeah, it's gonna leave me.

[Ronnie]

Do you think Ryan's cheating on me? Yes, definitely. I definitely do. Can I see a picture of him? Yes.

[Emily]

That man is cheating on you.

[Shannon]

You know, the cattery is nothing. Okay. Be a mom. Vomit, boogers, human poop. You know, paint on denim, Cybertrucks. It's really easy. When Dawson was little, he dumped a cup of Roly Poly's in my peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I mean, I could go on for days.

[Ben]

Like, wait, why does he have a cup of Roly Poly's? And, like, why did you let him get so close to your. Like, was the sandwich open face? Were you in the process of making it? Like, how did this like there was a failure of parenting before this happened.

[Shannon]

I'm telling you this right now.

[Ronnie]

Kid walking around with the cup collecting Roly Poly and when his mom wasn't looking, he put some roly polys in the sandwich. I mean, come on, he's a boy. He's a young boy, Ben, what do you think?

[Ben]

And that boy grew up to be a young man who could teach some middle aged women how to play volleyball on the beach. So they are cleaning out the cattery and then they go, they play with a bunch of insanely cute dogs. But, you know, this is what always happens. You know that all these, like, shelters and these very good organizations, whenever, like a TV camera shows up, they're like.

[Gina]

Get the cute ones out front.

[Emily]

Come on.

[Ben]

They're the cute ones.

[Emily]

Get the three legged one back in the trunk.

[Ronnie]

All right?

[Emily]

I don't want to ruin the reputation of the Orange Candy cattery. Come on.

[Ben]

They all become like the stage moms. They become Gypsy Rose Lee for all these animals. Like, come on.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, they're like perming their hair during all their makeup, spraying their hair. Now they're talking about Luke again.

[Emily]

And she's like, I just can't. I don't have the proper vocabulary about Luke. I don't know what to do. But we're not being very good parents. We're gonna get divorced. I'm leaving him. I'm leaving Shade. I'm leaving.

[Ronnie]

Oh, just do it already. You've been saying this for six years.

[Ben]

And, you know, then we see a flashback of like Lucas sitting at the table and Emily tells Luke to sit up. I don't remember exactly what she said, but she said in a way that was like, sit up. And I was like, you know, you're, you're putting your child on blast on this, on, on TV for talking, like, having baby talk. But I just watched you give your child baby talk and Shane is like, okay, like, let's not do that. Like, that's enabling. I'm like, look, parenting, I don't know. I don't know anything about parenting. But as far as, like, from what I'm seeing on, on, on this show, it's like, maybe don't talk to your child like a baby. If you don't want your child to talk like a baby back to you, I'm just gonna put that out there. And whether it's my place to or not, it's probably not my place. But you know what, it's a podcast, so. You know what?

[Ronnie]

Well, yeah, it's, it's Just the examples are showing. I'm just not. I guess I'm just not seeing what she's seeing, because to me, it just looks like kind of kid behavior. I mean, the behavior that's kind of freaking me out is Emily's behavior. Like, going on TV and being like.

[Emily]

I mean, you know, I've got this kid, and the other kids don't even like him. And, like, you know, they're annoyed with him all the time. And so I'm trying to.

[Ronnie]

Your kid has to watch this. Like, just shut up. Find something else to do. Go back to get a tuna sandwich in your purse. Like, she's disturbing. I think she's being. I'm not saying anything about the kid because I don't really know except what they're showing us on here. But he seems like a perfect. Like, he seems like a perfectly sweet kid that she's absolutely. She's. It's her behavior that I'm not liking on the tv. I just don't like it.

[Shannon]

The kids.

[Ben]

The kids. Lovely.

[Ronnie]

So she says Luke knows that his brother and sister are irritated by him.

[Emily]

And that hurts my heart, because then Keller came to me the other day, and he said, mom, can I go to therapy, too? Because I'm just really sad about everything, and I don't have anyone to talk to.

[Ronnie]

So now, like, okay, so it's making me crazy. I want to go pick up those kids in my Antivan and be like, okay, who has feelings? Let's talk about them.

[Shannon]

Okay?

[Ronnie]

You should not blame anybody but my mother. Okay.

[Ben]

Well, I mean, look, I mean, in many ways, Emily is giving the gift, the gift that keeps on giving, which is mommy issues for life. So Emily is. She's just saying how she. She's come to the realization that she focused all her time and attention on Luke, and it was actually detrimental to her other children, and she thought that they didn't need her as much, but actually, they do need her in a different way. So she's going through that. I mean, I, I, I'm with you in that. Like, it's uncomfortable to think that these kids may see this someday, and this could be actually very damaging for them. But, you know, I also do, you know, I, I appreciate that she's being emotionally vulnerable, but, yeah, it's a. It's a weird one for me. It's definitely a weird thing. And I'm glad she came to the realization that she needs to pay attention to all her kids.

[Ronnie]

There's an emotionally vulnerable. And then there's just, like, using. Using your Kids for like plot line and stuff. I mean, Emily's on here sobbing every year about something. You know, it's like every year she picks something new. I'm just like, leave your kids alone. Like, just leave them alone. And you know, it's housewives and they talk about their kids. You know, like on Salt Lake City we see Mary's kid going through stuff like he just got arrested this week. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that people talk about on camera that it's like, but these are little, little kids. And having to hear your mom saying like, well, you know, I'm giving, you know, he annoys his brothers and sisters. Like they don't really, like they basically don't want to be around him. And I don't know, it's just kind of ostracizing this kid even more. It's just seems like you're going to be doing a lot more damage.

[Ben]

And I've gotten some messages from people who are like, I've dealt with something that's very similar and it's really hard. It's actually a little hard to hear, you know, like you don't really know what, what it is. And it's very, very difficult. And it's a little triggering to hear and I get that 100%. But I also have to just react to what I'm seeing on tv. Like I'm watching this stuff. These are the thoughts going through my mind. Whether they are rooted in total, in total. Like a guy who has no kids and has no experience in that. That's just that that may be. But like it is what I, it's what I see and it's what I feel. And it's like what's being put out here. And also it's like if Emily doesn't want people of like two, two guys on the podcast yammering about it, there is an element of like, well, maybe, maybe don't put that on the show.

[Ronnie]

Well, I'm not saying about anything about his future diagnosis, whatever that may be. I'm just saying Emily's an. It's the same thing I say every day. Commercials.

[Jen]

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[Emily]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

Oh, my God. The boats are beautiful. They're so modern. The rooms are just so luxurious. I love all the colored lighting in there and the balconies.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

So then we go to Tamara's house, and she's with Sophia, who really is a bright light in this. This world. I've really come to love this Sophia chick.

[Ben]

I think she's fine.

[Ronnie]

I think she's so funny. She's fine. I just love.

[Ben]

Any thoughts either?

[Ronnie]

I like, like, alt. I like, like, alt right? Teenage daughter who just knows her mom's insane and she's just like, alt, right? I'm not alt right. Like alt rock. Did I say alt right?

[Ben]

You said alt right. I was like, what?

[Ronnie]

No, I'm so sorry. That's Ryan the. No, I didn't even mean. I guess I like that. Just all over. But alt rock, yeah. She's just like this rocker girl who knows that her mom's fucking insane and has just chosen to be amused by it, you know, because you can see that it's just a decision. Like, okay, this woman's nuts. So I'm just gonna choose to smile. So she. She goes, oh, my God, you're packing. Where are you going now? Jesus, God, Mother.

[Jen]

Temecula.

[Tamra]

Where else? Heaven. Heavy. Macula. Where's Macula Dreams?

[Jen]

Temecula. When you're feeling down and feeling out where do you go to Macula. When you're feeling sad and feeling bad where do you go to Macula. You know that song?

[Ronnie]

No.

[Ben]

That song, it's like. It's like, mother, it doesn't even rhyme. Okay, I'm a songwriter now. Can we work some cannibalistic references into that?

[Ronnie]

So she wants to wear a certain outfit. And Sophie is like, oh, yeah, looks like he got dressed in the dark. So then we go to Jen packing with her cyber truck. And then we go to Gina's. And Gina's talking to Travis. He's like, I just want you to know it's not totally normal to just get a brand new wardrobe for every trip you go on, okay? Women and shopping. Am I right?

[Gina]

Excuse me, producers. I refuse to film on this show as long as that sort of attitude persists. That is absolutely ridiculous.

[Ben]

You know, Heather, like, saw that at home and was horrified at Travis.

[Heather Dubrow]

This is we hide box. This is why we hide boxes from men folk.

[Ronnie]

Am I right?

[Ben]

So then Shannon is with Archie.

[Shannon]

Okay, Archie, I'm gonna tell you exactly how long I may be gone. One night and two days. So no more late night drunken walking.

[Jen]

On the side of the street in Newport, okay? You got that, mister?

[Ronnie]

And Archie just ignores her and goes outside. She's like, archie, where did you go? And then we just see Archie, like, getting it on with his stuffed animal. He's like, yeah, yeah, Temecula brings it out in me. So then we go over to Emily.

[Shannon]

Another man leaves me behind to have sex with something younger and more attractive. Thank you so much, Archie.

[Tamra]

Stupid blonde bear on the beach.

[Ronnie]

So then we go to Emily's house, and Heather calls and she's like, well.

[Emily]

I'm just sitting here with Luke. He got out of school. What are you doing?

[Heather Dubrow]

Nothing. I just thought it would be fun to do a little sleepover at my place. Wouldn't that be fun? I've opened the servant's door's entrance for you.

[Gina]

I'm going to invite Gretchen, and we're gonna go out for dinner, maybe go to a bar. You know me, carefree Heather Dubrow. It'll be a nice, laid back, simple time where I may put out five.

[Ben]

Platters of hors d' oeuvres and have.

[Gina]

Servants come by and bring us cocktails.

[Emily]

Oh, sounds great.

[Heather Dubrow]

I'm so excited to have you. Please only bring a clear purse.

[Tamra]

Thanks.

[Ronnie]

So Emily's like, all right.

[Emily]

Okay, now, Luke, you gotta watch dad for me. He doesn't do well when I'm not around. Okay, you need to babysit dad.

[Ronnie]

He's like. Like, I need $10.

[Emily]

Oh, you want to get to pay to babysit?

[Ben]

I think this kid's doing great.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, so far that goals.

[Ben]

I know. You know, his business sense is already way better than anything we've seen from Ryan over the past 15 years.

[Ronnie]

No kidding.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So then back at Tamara, what are the. What are the girl who. What girls are going say? Really? Jen?

[Tamra]

Yeah, we made up.

[Ronnie]

Okay?

[Tamra]

And Shannon, Shannon's been going. Shannon's going, yeah, she's been hot and cold with me. Mostly cold because she's gross and stupid. You should have seen her when I called her hair with hanging out boobs everywhere with a.

[Jen]

I got shot in a book.

[Shannon]

If she's gonna be a pet, she wants it.

[Ben]

She's like, oh, God. Because the book is called how not to be a miserable cow. Sophia's like, you really can't help yourself.

[Jen]

She's like, it's a self help book for cows. Which is what Shannon is.

[Ben]

It's like, like, mom.

[Shannon]

And it's also got big type. Okay? Because it says. Because it says how not to be a miserable cat.

[Jen]

Don't you get it? Don't you get?

[Ben]

She's like, mom, this is a passive aggressive book.

[Shannon]

And look, because she's so old and.

[Jen]

She can't read things well, big font, big font.

[Tamra]

And look, it's written by David. David, David, David. She's gonna love it.

[Ronnie]

It's like, mom, this is just diss after diss. You're like, oh, you're a miserable human. And you'.

[Shannon]

See?

[Ronnie]

Wow, great. Mom, you can't help but be petty.

[Tamra]

Say, yeah, let's get.

[Shannon]

Oh, my God. Back to my house. Tamara's relationships with Jen and Shannon are, like, very fragile. And I, like, kind of feel like I'm in the middle of that.

[Ben]

And Travis, like, well, you're gonna be directly in the middle of that.

[Shannon]

I understand that. But, like, the other day I brought up to her and that I thought it was kind of crappy that she called out. Shannon was mean to her about the drinking.

[Ronnie]

This is so Gina.

[Tamra]

Oh, my God. Like, it's so hard to be in the middle. Which is why I went out with Shannon and I told her, remember that Tamara called you a stupid drug all last year? Yeah. So hopefully it's not stressful.

[Ronnie]

Okay. Okay, Gina. So then we see Gina talking to Tamara and she's like, yeah, you know.

[Tamra]

Last year we're coming from this place, you know, because of drinking. But, like, now you're like, like, but then this year you're pulling away, pulling her away, and you sneak away for a cocktail. Like, what's going on with that?

[Ben]

We see a flashback within the flashback. It's basically Inception, guys, of Tamara pulling Shannon away and. Or like, let's get a quick drink, you know?

[Shannon]

So Tamara's like, so. So, Tina, that's what you're saying is that you don't think that she's better.

[Jen]

She's an alcoholic. She fell off the wagon, and then things fell on top of her because she's so stupid and old. She can't read.

[Shannon]

Well, she's like, no, I just kind of, like, see a creeping kind of being, so.

[Ben]

Which, of course, is all the ammo that Tamara now needs to be. Like, Gina said you're an alcoholic later in the episode.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, because that's basically what she's doing.

[Tamra]

She's like, oh, she's supposed to be better. But, like, I see the old Shannon.

[Ronnie]

There was never a new Shannon. Why is everybody pretending like there was some old sh. There was some old Shannon and some new Shannon. Shannon didn't stop drinking this. She came out of the car crash and asked for a drink. Like, the police records probably show Shannon ordering a Bloody Mary in the. She never stopped.

[Ben]

And Archie bringing it to her. Archie. Like a little one of the dog butlers. Like a little bow tie. Be like, you're a cocktail of weeks.

[Tamra]

Did you have to bring your girlfriend to the jail to visit me, Archie?

[Ronnie]

He's like, oh, sorry. Had to bring this little stuffed bear. I love this girl. I love her.

[Heather Dubrow]

Say Temecula. Say Temecula, Archie.

[Ben]

So now we see Emily picking up Gretchen, and she's like, gretchen, why do.

[Gretchen]

You have heels on?

[Jen]

She's like, I am so over workout clothes.

[Ben]

So then. Then we see Gina. She's getting into. Into. Into Tamara's truck with Jen.

[Shannon]

She's like, oh, my God. Like, why am I doing this? I'm, like, the least fit one.

[Tamra]

Here's what we call Shannon now. This is like the season of annoying nicknames. Shenanigans. And like, Gregers. Let's talk about gr.

[Ben]

Let's Al. Actually, let's talk about. This is that this is the time. Old tradition that we only see once in a while when cast members scare off a member of the cast. And then now that they're gone, they have to pretend like, actually, we're so fun. Look that she's gone. We are so fun. We make up nicknames for each other. See, America, isn't it better now?

[Ronnie]

It's like, yeah, just a nice, fun, light. Real Housewives of Orange County.

[Ben]

We started calling Shannon Shenanigans. We are so hilarious. What a great group of gals we are.

[Ronnie]

So Shannon's bringing two suitcases.

[Tamra]

Shannon, it's only 24 hours. How much you gotta bring? She's like, well, one. One suitcase is full of pants. I just brought a Lot of pans.

[Shannon]

So bed pans, specifically. Oh, my God. This house is so nice. They have pans. Come on, Shannon. I'm sure there's pants. I'm just gonna put my stuff into the back. Just where I am with Archie these days.

[Ben]

So then she shows off her flippers.

[Ronnie]

Missing. They've. She's missing her flippers. So she shows her missing teeth. And Jen's like, wow, she's so proud of that.

[Tamra]

That's weird. Shannon, stop showing us your gums. How long's it been like that? Ew, gross. It's disgusting. And I feel like that super toothpaste. This stupid lady. She's got every book called how to Be a Toothless Miserable Cow. That one.

[Jen]

How's she gonna chew that card without. With the shoes missing, I can't.

[Tamra]

Like, how's she gonna get it? She doesn't even know Bulletin. Like, what's going on with her? Yeah.

[Ben]

Then in the other car. God. Because Emily and Gretchen are so fun. Emily pulls out some fireball. Oh, my God, I love a wacky scene with fireball. The beverage, the. The liqueur that was all the rage in 2010.

[Gretchen]

So Emily's like, look what we got.

[Tamra]

Fireball.

[Gretchen]

Well, tomorrow I'm gonna bring sweet tea. Vodka, too.

[Tamra]

What?

[Gretchen]

What?

[Emily]

More white trash drinks can we get? Heather's gonna love it.

[Tamra]

Yeah. She's gonna be so annoyed with us.

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, no.

[Ronnie]

So then we see shots of Rodeo Drive and then Heather's penthouse, and she has brought in a sleepover consultant named Maya, because that's a thing, I guess. And they. She set up, like, three twin beds with canopies over them. Like, why is there mosquito netting? What's happening? It's like the poison.

[Ben]

Yeah. It's like. It's. It's so formal and so uninviting as, like, a. Like a sleepover. Supposed to be cozy and fun.

[Shannon]

Your jammies.

[Ben]

And they're supposed to be like, you know, it's, like, cute. And you go like. It's like, in the den or something. There's carpeting and there's, like, pillows, and instead of. There's, like, in, like, a stark wood, like. Like, hardwood floor room with, like, big windows and high ceilings.

[Gina]

Like, here it is.

[Ben]

Big, echoey sleepover time with the canopy beds.

[Ronnie]

And then there's all these jars that she's having them put candy. And she's got all these employees running.

[Ben]

All over the place.

[Ronnie]

Sounds.

[Ben]

Yeah. Jars of candy. You need a tv, and you all need to watch TV and watch music videos late into the night or Something like that. That's a sleepover.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So they've even got mega stuffed Oreos.

[Heather Dubrow]

And Heather's like, that is disgusting. They love it. They love it.

[Ronnie]

So then back in the car with the girls driving to Temecula, Shannon's like.

[Tamra]

Oh, so you have a few vines in your backyard. So, I mean. I mean, look at that. There's some vines. Hey, they've got their own vines. How many bottles of wine does that make? I mean, what's the point? It's a lot of work. Nothing.

[Shannon]

What are you talking about?

[Jen]

Are you getting the trembles? Alcoholic. Alcoholic wants to know how many bottles of wine. The wine. The grapevine. You gonna grow some grapevines, huh? Gonna grow up some grapevines.

[Shannon]

John's like, you just. You looked at me and you started laughing. What's that about? She's like, well, just deep thoughts by Shannon. I mean, what else are you thinking about?

[Ben]

So then they may do this whole funny thing where Shannon is saying, well.

[Shannon]

My dad once had an avocado mountain, and he bought, like a whole mountain and planted avocado trees. Then he was gonna build houses and didn't work out so well. I don't think. I actually never saw the mountain or the avocados. Maybe just. Maybe I just heard it wrong.

[Ronnie]

I have an avocado.

[Ben]

He said he got a mountain of avocados.

[Shannon]

He bought, like, three of them.

[Ronnie]

I love Grant. Why?

[Tamra]

He had a mountain. He had Avocado Mountain. Well, I mean, it was a mountain that he put avocados on. Yeah. I don't think it worked. They kept rolling down. They just kept rolling down. No one could find the avocados. Then we found out they were rolling to the other side of the hill. My grandfather started a war on that little town. Just get his avocados back. There's no more towns. There's no more mountains. My grandfather basically is a mass murderer over avocados. That was fun. Gosh. Still. Still. Don't order my father guacamole. It's been a rough time.

[Ben]

I've decided to fact check Shannon on this story. And by fact check, I mean I googled it. And Google AI gave me an answer, which who knows, But I said, do avocados grow on mountains?

[Shannon]

And says, yes, avocados can grow on mountains in specific conditions, particularly in tropical and subtropical highland areas like Micho Juan, Mexico, and parts of Chile, where they benefit from suitable altitudes, rainfall and cold air drainage that prevents frost damage. However, mountains are not universally ideal as high deserts and areas with extreme cold, such as the high mountains in Southern California are generally not suitable due to the harsh conditions.

[Ben]

So it's a lie, Shannon, your father lied to you. Unless he had some sort of avocado mountain in Mexico or Chile, I'm going to.

[Ronnie]

Well, she said it didn't work out so well, so maybe that's why he didn't, he didn't, he didn't have the benefit back then of Google, AI or whatever, so he doesn't know. Poor guy.

[Heather Dubrow]

Got you.

[Ronnie]

Imagine, imagine what that must have been like for him. And now he's like, well, God damn it. All I had to do was look it up on the Internet in the first place. Gee, do you know how many encyclopedias I went through? I, I, I'm telling you, I failed at my avocado mountain.

[Tamra]

I failed at it.

[Ben]

I'm telling you, Gene, the machine came back from the store with about 12 avocados.

[Shannon]

He's like, wow, honey, look at this.

[Ben]

I've got, look at all these avocados. I got a mountain of avocados right here. But unfortunately, they all are too soft. It's just not going to work out so well.

[Jen]

Oh, well, little baby Shannon just heard that my daddy has a mound of avocado somewhere. We are rich.

[Ronnie]

I have an avocado tree. Never. One avocado has fallen off of there that's edible. They're all like wood inside, which is really weird. And I think the other day I was standing out there waiting for Bueller to do his business, and I think a squirrel threw an avocado at me. Do you think that that was possible?

[Ben]

The squirrel's like, there's a bobcat coming.

[Emily]

Look out maybe.

[Ronnie]

But I was standing there and I heard a squirrel rustling up there. And I looked up at the squirrel and then, and an avocado came flying at me and it was like half eaten. Like they were eating into it. And I was like, did you just throw your half eaten avocado at me? Like, what the fuck, bro?

[Ben]

Squirrel's like, I said, dance.

[Ronnie]

Avocado mountain, my ass.

[Emily]

Dance Queen.

[Ben]

The first rule of living in Los Angeles. Well, there's many first rules, but I will say today's first rule of living in Los Angeles is if someone ever said, you know, we have an avocado tree in our backyard, here's an avocado. Just know you'll never be able to eat it because it's always rock hard and it never ripens. And then, and like, it's rock hard, rock hard, rock hard. And then it's just bad and there's never a window where it's good. And there's so many people that I've met over the years who are like, we have an avocado tree in the backyard. Here's an avocado. It's always the worst avocado you've had in your life. If they offer you a lemon. The lemons.

[Ronnie]

The lemons are good.

[Ben]

Like, the lemons are out of control good. There's always lemons. But if it's an avocado, just. Just throw it out.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's just a buffet for all the farm animals. I think that's why all the animals around keep coming over, because there's avocados and stuff to eat. Because I just find half off, half eaten, little wood avocados everywhere.

[Tamra]

Poor things.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so anybody. Anyway, they're making fun of Shannon because she's looney tunes. So then at Heather's penthouse, Emily and Gretchen arrive. And Gretchen's brought a huge suitcase.

[Heather Dubrow]

And Heather's like, oh, my God, Gretchen, that is the biggest suitcase. It's one night, right? We told them one night. Okay, please go through the metal detectors. You're gonna have to go on the way out. I'm not worried about weapons.

[Ronnie]

I'm just worried.

[Heather Dubrow]

I just want to make sure that you're only coming with cheap things and you're only leaving with cheap things. Not my things.

[Tamra]

Okay?

[Heather Dubrow]

The candy is edible on the premises. You're not allowed to take it home. Which is why I put little metal dots inside each little candy piece to make sure none of them are stolen.

[Ronnie]

Emily.

[Gina]

Also, there will be no re entry, so please make sure keep your stub.

[Ben]

But this bracelet has only one use.

[Gina]

So she's like, welcome to my home.

[Ben]

And of course, it's like overly. Overly. Whatever the word is. Overly built up. This. This sleepover in a way that's totally unappealing. Because again, I do believe there should be. Your sleepover should be in the realm of soft couches and big, big pillows. And there's should be a tv.

[Gina]

So she's like, this is Nate. He is a sleepover butler. This is Emily and Gretchen. Nate, Nathaniel, would you please give the poors a piece of Oreo caviar? Thank you so much.

[Ben]

God, I'd love a sleepover.

[Emily]

I just need to know where I can get Nate.

[Ronnie]

He's like, I'm available.

[Tamra]

Yeah, you're very handsome. Oh, sorry, I'm not on this trip.

[Ronnie]

You're very handsome, mate.

[Gina]

Sorry. Sometimes I have a Gina button that I press if I ever want to feel a little richer.

[Heather Dubrow]

Look, here's one. Ding dong, can I have a dollar? Ding dong, can I have a dollar? Travis has big balls. Travis has big balls.

[Gina]

Here's one. I feel bad. She likes to say that after she.

[Ben]

Spends an extra dollar on toppings for pizza.

[Tamra]

I feel bad. I know bad. I know bad.

[Ronnie]

So then at the other house, they're looking at rooms, and Tamara's like, oh.

[Tamra]

That one of these has a bunk bed, but we're not gonna let, like, a queen sleep in the bunk bed. Like, Shannon. Shannon, you should get the main primary room because you're so mean. It's a primary. Everybody loves you, Shannon. Hey, Shannon. Sleep with my best friend, who I love, with these girls, with just girls having a good time. Just gals.

[Shannon]

You need to get our bags. And then we need to, like, get ready for wine tasting.

[Ben]

And then so they're all getting settled in, and then Tama's like, oh, my.

[Jen]

God, where's the princess of Temecula now? Okay, Where's Shannon, the princess of Mika with the crazy boobs and the crazy hair. What a cow. Am I right?

[Shannon]

It's in the book. It's in the book.

[Tamra]

She should read it. I'm trying to do everything I can to make Shannon feel comfortable. Like doing the.

[Heather Dubrow]

Just.

[Tamra]

Brushing the hair a little bit. Moving. Moving the hair out of her eyes and stuff. Look a little bit deeply like this.

[Ronnie]

Shannon's like, I don't need the primary.

[Tamra]

This is where I. I'm. I'm starting to feel uncomfortable. Take it, Shannon. Look at your main primary bedroom, which has access from three different doorways. Hope you sleep well in that. Shannon.

[Jen]

You can see the corn maze just out the window. You're not scared of corn mazes, are you?

[Shannon]

Well, I. I do believe killers are living the corn maze, but that's okay.

[Jen]

I love it to make it look corn maze.

[Ben]

So then Shannon is, like, unpacking her second bag, which has all her pots and pans. And I want to make fun of her, but I have been known to bring a few pots and pans to an Airbnb before. I'm not gonna lie. But this was crazy because she also had, like, loose, dry spaghetti in her bag.

[Shannon]

It's like, oh, well, like, I guess some. I guess some of this whole wheat gluten free, non pasta. Pasta has spilled out.

[Ronnie]

It was crazy. She was pulling out, like, Mackenzie's child serving platters. And that was that.

[Ben]

She did not need to bring. Super weird to have.

[Tamra]

It's like, well, I need my immersion blender.

[Ronnie]

What's an immersion blender?

[Tamra]

I don't. I don't even know what that is.

[Ronnie]

Do you immerse yourself in a blender?

[Tamra]

That's. That doesn't sound safe. Shannon, I'm worried about you.

[Shannon]

Is that the stick propeller thing that my son used to make a roly poly smoothie? Yes, that's exactly right.

[Ben]

So then they. They're just like laughing because she's brought like an egg bite. She made like an egg bite maker and all this stuff, like actually like, like, I think like bringing a cast iron skillet or a Dutch oven is fine. But this was too much, too much for you, Shannon. But she's being wacky. Like it's a wacky thing.

[Jen]

Like, look what I brought. I'm fun. Shannon, isn't this crazy?

[Tamra]

Oh, my God, your suitcases. Like, when I go through my kids backpacks. Like, what's in here? Like, I don't even know. It's like something sticky. Oh, well, that's. Something spilled. Okay, well, great. I spilled. I've spilled on the immersion blender. What will I do?

[Gina]

Everyone, let's go back to Beverly Hills. Come sit down. Everyone, come sit down in this temporarily comfortable room over here.

[Jen]

Oh, wait a second. Is this considered the living room?

[Gina]

Well, there's a bigger living room for the real friends, you know, people who own vineyards and such. But this is where I have the poor.

[Ben]

Sit. I hope you like it.

[Heather Dubrow]

This is like the kitchen family room. There's another family room, but you're not family, so you're gonna be here.

[Tamra]

Okay.

[Heather Dubrow]

Would you like snacks? Snacks, anybody?

[Emily]

I love snacks. I love them.

[Ronnie]

I know. That's why I have them here.

[Heather Dubrow]

So this is my first sleepover party that I've ever had. Am I doing well? Is this what we do? We don't sleep, Dewey. I don't sleep.

[Gina]

Now, please hold out your hands. I'm going to give you three vouchers which are good for each one is good for one third of a snack, and you just give it to Nathaniel and he will redeem it for you. And once you're out of the vouchers.

[Ben]

Unfortunately, after that there will be no more snacking.

[Gina]

So please use them wisely. Okay? Mega stuff.

[Ben]

Oreos to the right, Gretchen.

[Ronnie]

So dumb.

[Tamra]

She goes, wow, look at this view. What is that, a bird? What was that?

[Ben]

And then Heather has the most Heather response.

[Gina]

Oh, no. This is too high for a bird, I think. No, no, no. No birds up here, Mike.

[Ben]

I think the birds can get up there.

[Gina]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they ain't got. We have a security guard on the, on the 32nd floor that stops all the birds.

[Ben]

Too high for birds.

[Gina]

Security clearance.

[Heather Dubrow]

Birds generally don't have professions, so they're not allowed to fly to this floor.

[Gina]

We have a separate entrance for the birds. Alfredo birds.

[Emily]

Well, we had a good drive. We analyzed Tamra. Yeah, we did.

[Ronnie]

Psychoanalysts analysis. So then we go to a flashback where Emily is saying, I wouldn't say.

[Emily]

Tamara's a good girl. Like she seems like a girl who would always hang out with dudes. You know, like even with that photo with Jen. Like she brought that up because she feels insecure with her relationship with Jen. But that's an insecurity issue with yourself.

[Ronnie]

Oh my God, get a life. What's your insecurity that you're sitting here talking about these other people? You have nothing to say that's not about the people that aren't there?

[Tamra]

Boring.

[Jen]

By the way, Heather, have you even talked to the other girls in Temecula? Do we know if they're having a good time?

[Gina]

Hold on, let me call. I can't imagine they're having a very good time being at that low level bird bird region house that they're in.

[Heather Dubrow]

They're probably being attacked by birds as we speak. Those are ground level people. It's a ground level vacation.

[Gina]

And you know, it's, it's, it's, it's really terrible considering how lacking in aspiration those birds are. They're not even going above a second floor. I mean, at least the ones that come here are trying for something.

[Heather Dubrow]

I mean, can you imagine being attacked by birds that settle in a place called Temecula?

[Gina]

You know, I see so many, so many blue jays who just want a better life, who try to fly up to Drake's apartment. They just can't quite reach it and they just sort of exhaust themselves and fall down the street like a wooden avocado being thrown at a man in the hills.

[Heather Dubrow]

But everything should be fine. Jen and Tam are fresh. They're starting on a fresh walk step relationship thing.

[Emily]

Emily's like, well, I might have ruined it. Oh no.

[Heather Dubrow]

What did you do, Emily?

[Emily]

Well, I saw John and she seemed upset about the fatty photo again. So, you know, I said, remember the fatty photo? That was hilarious. And then Jen got upset.

[Ronnie]

So.

[Ben]

So that we see a flashback to two days ago where Jen and Emily are sitting outside and Jen is like.

[Shannon]

No, I don't know if it's a fat photo of me. I just, I just really don't know.

[Gretchen]

Well, you didn't ask to see the photo, but you resolved the argument. We've got to open this one right back up again. Okay. Innocence projects and skills are coming into play.

[Ben]

Jen's like, okay, well, I've never been. Or been.

[Shannon]

I've never really been able to have the conversation with her.

[Gretchen]

Well, we'll fix that.

[Ben]

So then we go back to the present, and Emily's like, well, she still.

[Gretchen]

Doesn'T know what Tamara's intent was, but bring it up. And Tamara showed you that photo, right? Because Gina calls it the fatty photo. Is it a fatty photo?

[Gina]

Well, I think she was just showing me the picture to be like, this is what she looked like before. Now she looks more like me. She was fat and disgusting and hideous before. Shouldn't have been out in public before. Was an embarrassment to the community. Before, JCPenny would be like, don't come into our store. And now she's, like, hot and thin and absolutely stunning. I think that's it. Nothing too major, but I love.

[Ronnie]

I love them going like, wow.

[Emily]

She still doesn't know what Tamara's intent was.

[Ronnie]

You don't. She was calling you fat.

[Heather Dubrow]

And.

[Ben]

But.

[Ronnie]

And by the way, she was saying it was, like, not who even likes her? She used to be fat. That's what she. That was the intent. Why. Why are we reading so deeply into this?

[Ben]

Yeah. And of course, we look at the photo and, like, it's like, we're gonna put some air quotes around the fat when we see that photo, Right?

[Ronnie]

Because he is not fat. That is a totally normal, beautiful woman. Like, that's crazy. I mean, her top could. Could have used somehow, but it's not a great top. But she was a beautiful woman. They're so crazy on this show. So now Gretchen.

[Tamra]

Gretchen is like, well, Heather's admitted that she's scared of Tamra, so. Well, now she's gonna make excuses for Tamara doing this thing, and she's just gonna litigate it. Look, I said litigate.

[Ben]

I was impressed.

[Ronnie]

I was still.

[Ben]

She was like, she's like, oh, she's.

[Jen]

Gonna litigate and adjudicate and all these things.

[Shannon]

I was like, like.

[Jen]

But when it comes to Tamara, it's all fine. It's all good. Just look the other way.

[Ben]

So then Gretchen is like, I mean.

[Jen]

I think it'd be interesting if, like, Jen brings it up when she's down there on that trip, because then, like, wouldn't that be cool? Right?

[Ben]

And I was like, like, yeah, I.

[Gretchen]

Bet you will, because it sounds like a band aid over an open wound. That's gonna open up again and again and again.

[Heather Dubrow]

Well, if the band aid opens, it'll only open if you gained weight typically. Which hopefully she won't do because this is all solved now. Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two.

[Ronnie]

See you over there, suckers.

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