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Ronnie Caram
Well, hello, how's it going you little Benini tunes?
Ben Mandelker
It's going quite well, thanks. Going quite well. Just here to talk some Real Housewives of Orange County. On Monday we have Crappy Hour. That's going to be at 5:30 on the West coast and 8:30 on the east coast. So come join us. That's on YouTube. It's also simulcast on Instagram and we talk about Bravo headlines and at the end we bring some of you up to chat. Etc. It's always fun. We do it every other Monday. So come join us for that. And then we of course have our glorious Patreon which includes a bonus episode every week. This week we did a trailer on future Bravo Flop Wife Swap. And we also, let's be honest, let's be honest, we're gonna watch, but let's be honest. And then, I mean, I mean, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say that. It is starring Emily Simpson. So I know that will get everyone's attention and everyone's going to tune in for that.
Ronnie Caram
Everyone's gonna drop what they're doing.
Ben Mandelker
But we did have a lot of fun with the trailer. We actually had a lot of fun with the trailer. And then we also have Crap it's on Demand where you can watch us not just listen. You get videos. And those videos do wind up eventually on our YouTube channel. So go check us out there. So that's all the great news. That's, that's we have to start with on this Friday. And Ronnie, how are you doing today? How are you feeling?
Ronnie Caram
I'm feeling great. I cut one of my toenails too short because I don't know my toe doesn't know where my toenail ends and my toe begins. That was rough, but otherwise great. Everything's wonderful in my world. How's it going with you?
Ben Mandelker
It's good. My voice feels a little scratchy today. Feels a little like, you know when you have to sort of put out a little extra air to get the sound out? That's where I'm at. It's almost like. It's like I feel like I've been like, no. Gone through a car wash or something. I guess we were talking about that the other earlier.
Ronnie Caram
This could be the air beneath your trachea today. Please, I'll just help you any way I can.
Ben Mandelker
I'm just drinking this iced coffee and hoping it, like, gets things flowing. So we are here to talk Orange county. And where we left off, the. The cast had split up and gone on dual vacations. Some people had the misfortune of going down to Temecula with Tamara, and others had the other misfortune of going up to Heather's ice cold, clinical slumber party in Beverly Hills.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah, Elsa's castle in Beverly Hills. So that was last week. And the episode ended, of course, with Shannon and Tamara arguing. And Shannon immediately being like.
Tamra Judge
But Gina was the one who said she was worried about your drinking, Shannon.
Heather Dubrow
Right.
Emily Simpson
Whoops.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, whoops.
Ronnie Caram
And Gina's like, whoa. So that's where we start. And Gina's like, but, you know, I worry about you. You know, you have to understand, like, for me, like, just because I do care about you and I, like, know the place you've been in as a drunk alcoholic, you know, I don't want.
Heather Dubrow
To see you go back to, you.
Ronnie Caram
Know, whatever this face is that you're making right now. Shannon's just like, sob face. Like all episode. Shannon just has these little pink eyes. Her eyes are half closed, like she's been sobbing. Her hair is all over the place. She's like, I cannot believe people are thing. I have a problem.
Ben Mandelker
And the best part is that they're. They're sitting at this dinner table that has this kind of like this. It's like. It's not really a centerpiece, but there's like a floral arrangement in front of it. There's, like, branches and stuff. And Shannon has grabbed, like, a small twig with, like, little buds on it. I don't know if you noticed it. And she was holding in her hand, she. I don't think she realized. It was like a fidget spinner for her, and she was, like, shaking it. And so as she. Every time she talked, this little branch was trembling right in front of her.
Jen
And she was like, well, trembling branch.
Ben Mandelker
It was so. It was like the perfect prop For Shannon, a little trembling twig.
Jen
And she's like, oh, well, okay. I'm never. I'm never gonna go back. Gina, I appreciate what you're saying, but I'm not gonna go out. I appreciate the words. Yeah. But to be fair, like, that what this all was, was born out of something that I didn't like that you did. Tamra. And Tim was like, you can't turn on me.
Gretchen Rossi
You can't do that.
Jen
Like, yeah, because you, like, shat on her all of last year, and now you're taking her away for sneaky drinks.
Ben Mandelker
I was like, oh, that was a good. That was pretty good, Gina. Like, I like the way that you did the twist on Tamra there.
Ronnie Caram
Well, yeah. People are used to Tamara's game now, you know, she was like, okay, Tamara, you were trying to turn that on me, but that was me yelling at you.
Tamra Judge
Tamara's like, yeah, but then what did I say? And I said, no, I totally get what you're saying. And then you also understood where I came from. Member?
Ronnie Caram
Yeah. And then you came and tried to throw her under the bus to Shannon and get her in trouble. Tamara. My God.
Ben Mandelker
And Tamara has the funniest little flashback.
Gretchen Rossi
She goes, yeah, I wasn't trying to take her away to have a drink. I just felt so happy that me and Shannon made up. And I know that that's her love language. Going to have a cocktail, you know, getting around, crashing into things. Like, I was like, that's her love language.
Ben Mandelker
Like, that's. You're so shady. Like, oh, her love language is falling off the wagon. So look, I got us. I got us one of those pads that gymnasts used, and I put it next to an actual wagon, and I set up a keg on the wagon, and. And we just got up there and did some stands.
Tamra Judge
Her love language is acts of bar service. It's cocktail service. That's a love language. I was just trying to love her because we're best friends by Shannon. She's so pretty.
Gretchen Rossi
So speak your love language, because I don't know if you know it, but.
Tamra Judge
Her language only has two letters in it.
Jen
Actually, really only one letter.
Tamra Judge
A just said spice. Well, I am. I, I. I'm making decisions on what's best for me.
Ronnie Caram
And sometimes what's best for me is a bottle of kettle one in my purse.
Tamra Judge
Okay?
Ben Mandelker
So.
Ronnie Caram
And last year was very traumatic for me because I was in a hole I didn't think I could crawl out of. And I'm still processing the hole.
Tamra Judge
I cannot stop thinking about the Hole.
Jen
There. There was a literal hole in my lawn, and I fell into it, and.
Gretchen Rossi
I was like, help. Help.
Jen
It took three days for someone to walk by and say, oh, there's a woman in a hole.
Gretchen Rossi
So it was a lot for me.
Jen
To go through anyway. Oh, God, I'm trembling.
Ronnie Caram
Let me just ask you a question.
Tamra Judge
I'm sorry. What were you saying, Ben? What'd you say, Ben?
Ben Mandelker
I said her little twig was, like, shaking like crazy. Go back and watch. You will see her holding that little twig. It's the funniest thing.
Tamra Judge
Let me just ask you, Shannon, what I need to do to make things better for us. What I need to do, Shannon, all I want to do is make things better. Okay, I'm gonna call you an alcoholic in about five minutes. You've got five minutes. Go ahead, Shannon. Like, you know, I just. I need time. I need time.
Jen
Time. I need time. Like, I, I. I appreciate the kind, nice gestures, and I have. I have laughed a lot today, and I think that's great. And I hope that that's enough, because all. That's all I can do right now, Tamara. I just. I just need time.
Gretchen Rossi
How about some kettle one?
Jen
Well, I will accept that, too. We're great goose Casamigos.
Tamra Judge
It's time. A brand of vodka. Yeah. You know what? It's like you're both doing now, and I think that's.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah, they're literally. Neither one of them is doing the best they can right now. Shannon's a maniac. She's got some issues, let's just say. And she's starting to scream for no reason at this point. She'll. She's just sitting at dinner and being.
Nate
Like, you know what, Tamra?
Ronnie Caram
And then you've got Tamara over there pretending to be nice for five seconds and then immediately falling back, and that's a stupid alcoholic. In about two minutes. Now we've got two minutes left. Speaking of time.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Seriously.
Jen
Well, I appreciate everything that you've done, and I'm grateful, and I thank you, Tamara. I really. I really do.
Ben Mandelker
Just.
Gretchen Rossi
Yeah. And as much as this conversation was difficult, I really appreciate it. And I feel like that's what real friends do, is they actually talk about things, especially when they're alcoholics, and we talk about that. And I know that it's probably not.
Tamra Judge
You know, that I probably have never.
Gretchen Rossi
Done that before because, you know, I've been on defense, you know, because you're an alcoholic. And I have to put myself against the wall, be like, an alcoholic's attacking me, and I apologize.
Ronnie Caram
How has ever been on the defense? She's been on the offense. That's what the argument is about. She came for Shannon all year. Last year, she wasn't on the defense.
Tamra Judge
I just hope we can go back the house and have some shenanigans. Shenanigans, Shenanigans. You know, I thought we got to talk about. Because it's fun to listen you talk about things because you this while you do. And that kind of slurp. And he smelled that. He smelled like alcohol and stuff. I bet if we lit a match in front of Shannon's mouth while she was. While she was talking about stuff, she'd look like a dragon. So much alcohol.
Jen
This doesn't feel like a safe space. Question. Am I allowed to bring my twig back to the house? It's sort of. It's sort of like a service twig. It's helped me with my anxiety. Please let me bring my twig back.
Ronnie Caram
And Tamara throws a napkin at her face. And Shannon's like, who threw a napkin? And Jan says, I just. You know what? I just got triggered.
Tamra Judge
Did you mean twiggered? Look at Shannon. Shannon's twiggered right now.
Ronnie Caram
Shannon's like, how come?
Tamra Judge
Snap him in my face. Twig, twig, twig, twig, twig.
Ben Mandelker
So now we go back up to crustacean Beverly Hills, where the women are still eating dinner.
Emily Simpson
And Heather's like, that was delicious. So good.
Ben Mandelker
I was like, heather, you didn't eat a single bite.
Emily Simpson
We all know the way that we had that. What was it again? Crab delicious, yo.
Nate
I mean, it was pretty good for stuff that came out of someone's vagina.
Emily Simpson
So Heather goes, okay, ladies, we have places to go. There's paparazzi waiting for us. Because now I know them by name. Remember? Remember that totally coincidental time when we ran into the paparazzo earlier today?
Ben Mandelker
And then we see a flashback to that lady being like, I know for a fact that that other paparazzi had no idea you'd be at Disneyland.
Ronnie Caram
As part of the paparazzi network, we all know each other, and I know for a fact it was spoken of in our community very deeply. Heather had nothing to do with any paparazzi being called.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, because, you know, one thing that the paparazzi loves to do is drive all the way down to Disneyland and spend, like, $150 to walk around on spec, hoping they see a celebrity.
Nate
It was her assistant.
Ronnie Caram
And Shane's like, no, it wasn't.
Heather Dubrow
It wasn't that either.
Ronnie Caram
Oh, My God, what is ringing in my house? Everything is turned off. Why are things ringing, Ben? I'm telling you, every ringer is turned off.
Ben Mandelker
It always goes through. My parents have a way they have somehow been able to circumnavigate every single control on Apple. Like, it doesn't matter. I turn everything off and my phone will still ring in the middle of a movie theater as my parents be like, we just wanted to call, say hi. I'm like, how do you always know when I'm in a theater? They have an uncanny ability. Also, as long as we're talking about it, when can we, like, finally, like. Like, when can we make it more authoritative that if you put your phone on silent, it's truly silent? How many times have you put your phone on silent and then you turn on Instagram? I'm like, I'm on silent. Why is Instagram playing loud right now? Why?
Ronnie Caram
I don't know, but it's bizarre. I have everything on do not disturb and still like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Everything starts dinging around me. And it wasn't doing this. I feel like yesterday anyway, that no one is here complained about iPhone rings. Okay, but you know what?
Jen
This happens in real time. Don't.
Gretchen Rossi
Do not disturb Tamara. And she disturbs me.
Ben Mandelker
So anyway, Heather's like, my.
Ronnie Caram
My iOS devices are Tamarind me. They just won't shut up.
Emily Simpson
Anyway, I hope you appreciate my feelings about Tamara, ladies. Was I scared of her before? Yes, because she's mean, and I have had many difficult people in my life. And it started to tell her a story about my father.
Ben Mandelker
So we see two weeks ago, Heather's talking with Tamara, and she's like, you.
Emily Simpson
Remind me a little bit about my dad. Because in public with our family, he would have these outbursts.
Tamra Judge
If your dad. Why was he hot? Was he a real hot batch?
Emily Simpson
He had outbursts in public. That's what he would do with the family.
Jen
And she's like, I don't have outbursts.
Gretchen Rossi
For my family in public.
Ben Mandelker
I was like, please don't be such a literalist, Tamara.
Gretchen Rossi
No. Is that me?
Ben Mandelker
So now Heather comes back and is.
Emily Simpson
Like, so she blew it off, and she never came back to it and hadn't asked me about it since. Sort of like Taylor Armstrong with her acting career.
Ben Mandelker
So Gretchen's like, so what was the.
Gretchen Rossi
Situation with your name?
Emily Simpson
Like, so then Heather's like, thank you for asking.
Heather Dubrow
I will tell you right now. Shane, cue the music. My dad died a few years ago, and there's unresolved things we've gone into it at the Groundlings now. I've blown it off for years. And he would sometimes act in a certain way that, you know, would be very uncomfortable for me and my sisters in public. You know, Uncomfortable. He would have an explosion whether we were at a restaurant or on vacation. And it was embarrassing, and it was disturbing, and it was upsetting.
Ben Mandelker
I'm like, get in line. Heather Dubrow, whose dad has. You should see my dad at the restaurant.
Ronnie Caram
I was just gonna say, you want to compare. You want to compare traumas to Ben hanging out with his dad in a restaurant? Oh, my God.
Ben Mandelker
Let me tell you something. Heather Dubrow is from Chappaqua, New York. And I remember once going to. To a sushi restaurant with my parents in Chappaqua, New York, and the waiter, like, with the. Like, the waitress was just not coming around at all. And my dad was convinced that the waitress had seen him and was ignoring him. And so he started yuming, fuming. And then eventually he.
Unknown Female Speaker
He walked up to the sushi bar, and he goes.
Emily Simpson
And he goes, the next thing that.
Ben Mandelker
Comes to our table better be the food or the check. And then I had two friends that were there at the restaurant, too, and they were looking, like, terrified. I was like, oh, it's just my dad. That was. It was mortifying. But then at a certain point, you just start to. You realize that you have more power in those situations. You just go, dad, stop it.
Ronnie Caram
Now. We both got nightmare parents in restaurants. My mom is the queen of. Excuse me. I've noticed that they all got their food, and we were here first. So is there something she's. That's her thing, like that. A little bit of that. Someone's always ahead of her in the restaurant game. She's like, they like them better. Why would their food come. I said, mom, waiters don't sit in the back. And they're like, you know what? The lady at table 10's a bitch. Serve the other ones first. Let's just see if we can. She goes, but it happens every time. And then. And this does happen to her all the time. Everyone else gets their food, and they either forget hers, or hers just takes, like, an extra five to 10 minutes to come out. And I said, I think it's what you're putting out into the world. That's what you're doing. Like, you're literally, like, creatively visualizing failure on food delivery.
Ben Mandelker
Well, to be fair, sometimes my dad does definitely have, like, a right to lose his mind, because one time we went to a restaurant and we had put in our drink order, and it had been 25 minutes, and our, like, lemonades still had not arrived. So the waitress came back and my dad was like, like, where's our. Where's our lemonades? So she, like, was like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. So she went back and the owner of the restaurant came out. And he came out, he's like, you know, we're trying to run a restaurant here. And he's like, say, have you ever worked in. You ever worked in the restaurant before? He's like. And my dad was like, no, but I've eaten in many of them. Like, okay. Well, you think the guy goes? The guy goes. He's like, well, you think I. You.
Emily Simpson
You think I give a shit about.
Ben Mandelker
What you have to say? And my dad goes, you think I give a shit about what you have to say? The guy. Then the guy goes, well, guess what? And he yells us over, over the entire room. He goes, guess what? We took a poll and we all voted, and you're our least favorite customers in the restaurant. That owner was a dick. So I was like, that was when my dad's. My dad's abilities were used to get off his power.
Ronnie Caram
He used his power for good. That shit's funny.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. I just feel like Heather, like, like. I mean, I just feel like it's a pretty. I don't know if it's a common thing or not, but I feel like after all these years, Heather's like, oh.
Emily Simpson
I finally have a family trauma for television.
Ben Mandelker
My dad would lose his mind in a restaurant once in a while. Yeah.
Ronnie Caram
There'S just other trauma. I'm sure it's traumatic for her, but to everyone else with any kind of parental trauma, it's like, really? That's it? Is there an ellipses at the end of this? Because I need more. I need more than my dad's a dick in the restaurant. Get in line. But I love Tamris. It's like I've never been made in.
Tamra Judge
My family in a restaurant. What you talking about?
Gretchen Rossi
I can't possibly be like a dad. First of all, I'm a girl. He's a boy. So this is ridiculous.
Nate
Well, you can't put expectations on someone that can't reach the expectation, which is why I try and force feed my child sweet potatoes.
Unknown Female Speaker
Yeah, you can't put expectations on someone that can't reach the expectation, which is why I complain about my mom every single season of this show.
Ronnie Caram
So Emily tells us it's difficult for Tamara to have real Friendships because she feels compelled to argue or be combative. You know what, Emily? I don't know where you got that law degree, but God damn it, you're smart. I mean, that is some deep thinking. It's how it's tough for Tamara to have real friendships because she's combative. You think? You think?
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Wow. And then she's like.
Unknown Female Speaker
She's like, yeah, I always think, like, she's like, oh, I think. I think she's always thinking in terms of strategizing. I feel like it's always like some kind of chess game, which is why.
Ben Mandelker
I always have her side. I'm like, do you hear the words you're saying about this person who you blindly follow episode after episode and defend? And then you're like, yeah, she's manipulative.
Unknown Female Speaker
And combative, and she's playing chess with you all the time.
Ronnie Caram
And I'm really scared of her, so I'm gonna do whatever she fucking wants to. So Heather's like, and maybe that's why.
Heather Dubrow
I give her allowances.
Nate
You give her allowance?
Ronnie Caram
No, not allowance.
Heather Dubrow
I. I still give Gina allowance. Okay, But I give Tamara allowances.
Nate
You give her more allowance than you give her more allowance than you give Gina. That's not fair.
Gretchen Rossi
However, I just realized, like, do you know this is, like, part of the psychology around, like, what we're talking about?
Ben Mandelker
Like, congrats. Yes, thank you, Gretchen. Thank you for connecting the dots that were connected about 10 minutes ago.
Gretchen Rossi
Wait a second. I just realized that your feelings about your dad connect directly to your viewers. Enamorant.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. You did it, Gretchen. You really did it.
Ronnie Caram
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Yes, and maybe I parent the way I do because of this. Because I've created my family the way I have. Because you can't control where you come from, but you can control who your children hang out with.
Emily Simpson
You can't control where you come from, but you can control your servants. That's why they have a separate doorbell.
Heather Dubrow
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Tamra Judge
I love the fact that Heather's opening up, and I don't feel like I get to see a lot of that from Heather. She should share more because it would help people understand her better.
Ronnie Caram
Okay, Gretchen. So they're done. And okay.
Ben Mandelker
Gretchen's like, okay, Gretchen, thanks.
Ronnie Caram
Gretchen's just such a dingbat. So Heather has decided, since this is.
Heather Dubrow
Girls night and we're doing fun girl things together as women who are girls, we're gonna go to the Abbey. This is where homosexuals go to have a good time. Let's do it.
Gretchen Rossi
Gretchen's like, no, no, stop.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, let's go.
Emily Simpson
As real girlfriends do. Let's go to the Abbey at 7pm on a Tuesday and have a rollicking good time.
Ronnie Caram
They really hit the Abbey at that time where there's no one there. I went there this week around that time my cousin was in town. We were just gonna, like, have a drink. And I was like, well, the Abbey's good at this time because it's quiet and you can just sit outside and chat. It's, like a nice place to chat. But it was, like, early and they're blasting. I mean, the music was, like, pumping the cars, you know, it was so loud and there was nobody in there. And there was just a line of strippers standing there so bored, like, just kind of pinching their dicks. Like, come on, make an effort. Like they were trying to make them work and that. They're just, like, yawning. I was like, nobody wants to see a bunch of yawning strippers in an empty place with music pumping our brains out.
Ben Mandelker
You guys.
Ronnie Caram
We need to, like, strippers, violins or something during happy hour, you know, and then they can slowly. Yeah, they can slowly get crazier throughout the night or something. But, yeah, so they chose to go at that time. There's, like, two people in there. I know.
Ben Mandelker
And look, we all get it that, you know, bars, some are empty at the beginning and then they fill up. But it was just funny because the women went, clearly, it was like seven o'. Clock. Like, we could. You could look in the shots. You can see there was no one there. And they were trying to frame it in a way, like, no, this is, like, it's party time. It's crazy. But it was just one of these, like, really sad things where they were pretending like they were having this crazy, wild party when it was just like. It's. It's like when they shoot, like, a lunch scene at a restaurant, really at, like, 4pm and there's no one in the restaurant. Yeah, that's what was going on here.
Ronnie Caram
The Abby should have dragged in people because it made it look sad. It looked really sad in there. It looked desolate. It's like, this is. What's. This is how far the abbey has fallen. Now it's Gretchen, Emily, and Heather Dubrow hanging out at the abbey. It's like, is this supposed to be a commercial for the abbey? I don't think it's. It's not giving what you think it's giving.
Ben Mandelker
Who would have thought that three gay icons, Heather debrow, Emily Simpson, and Gretchen Rossi, wouldn't have just brought in throngs of gays? Shocking. But before they even get there, you know, because they're like, let's go dance. And Emily's like, wait a second.
Unknown Female Speaker
I think I've got some fireball.
Ben Mandelker
And she empties out her purse, like, on the table. And I'm just like. Again, it's like what I said last week. I can't stand this. Like, when Emily is like.
Unknown Female Speaker
Like being like, I'm in a fancy restaurant. So I'm gonna act like. I'm gonna act silly now. Like a kid.
Ben Mandelker
I'm like, oh, God, just so tacky. Why are you spilling it? And then she has, like, a grummy bear that she's, like, putting in her mouth, and I'm like, just, you know.
Nate
It'S like, look, I've got gumm. I have enough for all of us. They fell out of my purse. Isn't that insane? I keep. I keep calling words in my purse.
Ronnie Caram
We get it, Emily. You're a woman who carries calories in her purse. You're just hilarious.
Ben Mandelker
Okay, so then over in Temecula, the other women come back to their. Their rental, and we gotta change the mood. So they are gonna, like. They're just, like, being silly and humping around and stuff like that. Just like. What was that song? Ain't Nobody Hoping Around. Is that Bobby Brown? Anyway, Tamara is like, oh, my God.
Gretchen Rossi
Look, I can't even imagine you being honey.
Jen
She's like, yeah, I'm like a very much a different person in the bedroom. Because, like, you know, we know that song. You know what they say? I'm a lady in the streets, but a freak in the bed. My freak version is going like this. Oh, do me.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah.
Tamra Judge
Like, in the bedroom, I say things.
Ronnie Caram
Like I would only see in the bedroom.
Tamra Judge
Like, live, laugh, love.
Ronnie Caram
She's like, reading all of her word art. She's like, kitchen, toaster, bake.
Ben Mandelker
She puts on Panties that has, like, the gather font, but it just says vagina. Maybe it just says gatherer.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah, it still just says gather. And she's like, yeah, I'm like, real private. And Tamara says, you're not like, a public. And Jen's like, public what? What? What is a public fucker?
Gretchen Rossi
What? Salir.
Ben Mandelker
What's.
Gretchen Rossi
Yeah, she's a private.
Jen
I'm like, what? What do I know what a public is?
Ben Mandelker
No, no, they're just, like, hanging around. They're just being silly. You know, they're gonna go in the hot tub and everything. And Tamra is. She's doing a whole spiel about how since Shannon doesn't want to wear a bathing suit, she got them all T shirts that have, like, bikinis drawn on them that they're gonna wear instead.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah, yeah, Tamara.
Tamra Judge
You know what? Shannon Field seemed to care about being in the bikini. So I got five XL cotton shirts with a bikini Johnny in front of them. And we're gonna make Shannon go in the pool with his shirt on. It's gonna be hilarious. It's such a lighthearted thing to do to an insecure person. Okay, Gina, here's yours.
Gretchen Rossi
This is size xl. Here's mine. Size xl. And here's your Shannon. Size aa. Okay, put it on.
Ronnie Caram
So, yeah, so she's like, you know.
Tamra Judge
I just want to be funny and quirky like Shannon is. I'm just trying to be funny. Quirky tech Shannon. Okay, come on. We're gonna have fun. God damn it.
Ronnie Caram
So they go to change and get wacky. By the way, there is no chemistry with that crew. They look like they're having a miserable time. Jen. Jen, Emma. I mean, none of them are having a good time in Temecula. It's. It's hard to watch, you know? It's hard.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. So then up at the Abbey, now these ladies arrive, and I'll tell you, I mean, nothing says, woohoo. Let's go to the Abbey. Like, Gretchen's hair. Like, Gretchen. Gretchen put on the perfect hair for the Abbey, this 1960. She looks like the mom from the Wonder Years.
Tamra Judge
So she's like, what can I do the Abbey? Maybe I should do my Nancy Grace outfit. I'm gonna wear my Nancy Grace hair.
Ben Mandelker
Exactly right? So there. And Emily's like, oh, wow, Gretchen, what.
Unknown Female Speaker
Time will you be performing?
Ben Mandelker
And then we have a flashback to Gretchen performing with the Pussycat Dolls in 2013. Times have changed. So they're like that. The strippers are arriving on them, and it's all very exciting. One of those strippers I used to go to the gym with one of those strippers. Used to go to my gym, and he always looked so cute. I had no idea he was a stripper at the Abbey. I was like, wow, the hot guy from the gym. Good for him. He really made it.
Heather Dubrow
Well, the Abbey is all in good fun. This isn't like Tamara's bachelorette with people putting wieners in your ears, okay? When Gretchen hired those strippers and they were exposing their dogs. Monkey meat with the ring and ear girls. Okay?
Ben Mandelker
It's not that we see a flashback of Heather Febrezing the strippers, but to be fair, she just thought that they were butlers.
Emily Simpson
This is what I do with all the servants.
Ronnie Caram
That was the trip that ruined Tamara and Gretchen's relationship because they had spent the whole season like, we're friends now. Aren't we friends? Let's wake up. And the whole season they were like.
Tamra Judge
Yeah, we're friends now. We're such good friends.
Ronnie Caram
And then at the bachelorette party, Gretchen planned all this stuff for Tamara and this trip. And then Tamara didn't even invite her out to party, and she got really.
Ben Mandelker
Upset, forgot about that.
Ronnie Caram
It ruined.
Ben Mandelker
She went out with, like, Vicky. Yeah, Vicky.
Ronnie Caram
And, yeah, they went out and got wasted after. And Tamara's like.
Tamra Judge
Or Gretchen's like, you couldn't even invite me. I planned this whole party for you. And you went on party flirting without me. I thought we were friends. It's your dumb slut. You stupid, stupid stat. Why is it so mad at me? I don't get it.
Ben Mandelker
So Emily is now dancing on the table. The strippers are strippering, and. And Gretchen's like, like, wow.
Gretchen Rossi
I feel like Emily's not getting enough at home. I mean, she's, like, riding that cowboy.
Ben Mandelker
I'm like, well, wouldn't you. If the. The option is this, like, muscle clad man or Shane. Gretchen, once again, really? She's like, wow.
Gretchen Rossi
It's almost like she's married to Rumpelstiltskin. Wow.
Ronnie Caram
So now they dance and they take turns on the poles. And Gretchen reminds us that she's an experienced pole dancer. Okay.
Tamra Judge
As a matter of fact, in my 20s, I kicked a couple strippers off the stage and took their position. Yeah, I was in New Orleans.
Jen
That was the old good days. That was the all good days.
Ronnie Caram
I love Gretchen English.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, the old good days. And Emily's like, yeah, I like.
Unknown Female Speaker
I like Richards when she drinks a little bit.
Ronnie Caram
Okay.
Unknown Female Speaker
Like a whole different Gretchers.
Ronnie Caram
Listen, I've had enough of Gretchers. I've had enough. Can we just normalize not saying the word Gretchers? I don't think there's a more annoying word this year. Gretchers. Gretchers.
Ben Mandelker
It's also, it's, it's also like, I hate a nickname that doesn't actually speed things up. It's just as fast to say Gretchers. If not, it actually involves a little bit more sound because you have to add an S to it. It's actually. You wind up saying Gretcher's. You say it doesn't make it faster to say Gretchen by calling her Gretchers. That being said, I actually have no problem with Gretchers. To be honest. I'm not. I, I wish I could. Yes, and you like Heather at the Groundlings.
Ronnie Caram
But I, I, I can't stand the word Gretchers. It's making me crazy. Stop trying to make Gretchers happen. I can't take. Bugs me. Maybe it's irrational. I guess it's irrational, but it really, really bugs me so that it was.
Ben Mandelker
Gretchen Wiener who tried to make fetch happen, and now it's Gretchers that is trying to be made to be happening.
Ronnie Caram
Yes.
Ben Mandelker
Now I'm speaking Gretchen language. So Emily is like, like, yeah, I.
Unknown Female Speaker
Like, you know, I like retros. When she drinks a little bit, it's like a whole different Gretcher. And I'm like, well, drunk Richards. I like drunk Gretchers over praying Gretchers.
Ben Mandelker
And then it cuts to, like, this footage of Gretchen, like, doing some video for Instagram in her car with the kid in the background being like.
Gretchen Rossi
And just remember, Jesus loves you. God bless.
Nate
Should we FaceTime, Shane?
Ben Mandelker
Why that no one ever in the history of ever.
Ronnie Caram
Why would you do that? Why would you be.
Ben Mandelker
Why? Even Tim Cook is like, okay, we're gonna shut down. Apple was like, we will make sure that every, every notification gets to Ronnie Karam. But we are not gonna, we're not gonna allow any excessive FaceTiming. Yeah.
Ronnie Caram
And now we think you're gonna love it. Guys, new surprise. The iPhones are now refusing to Show Shane on FaceTime. It's like, thank you. I will buy that phone. I will buy that. Charge me whatever you need to. I don't even care about your new chip.
Ben Mandelker
Okay, yeah, this, this would be a good use of AI. Just intercept the call. So she calls, and there's Keller and Luke and all them. And Shane is like, saying, he's like, yeah, I got a plane simulator for Luke's iPad.
Unknown Female Speaker
Even though it's difficult, and I think about what's going on at home? I mean, Luke is now flying planes, and I'm missing all of it. But as moms, we do need to step away and understand that bodies can be tall, hard, and beautiful once in a while.
Ronnie Caram
So back in the car, she hangs up with Shane. And it was. It was a riveting call. And Heather's like, you know what we.
Heather Dubrow
Should have done Karaoke. That's what we should have done.
Ronnie Caram
And Gretcher's is like, can we find a karaoke place?
Tamra Judge
Do you think they'll play my song?
Heather Dubrow
Which. Wait, I forgot that you had a song.
Emily Simpson
Oh, my God, I'm so sorry I forget something.
Heather Dubrow
But now that you remind me, my head is absolutely pounding. Alfredo, do you have an Advil?
Emily Simpson
It's. You know, sometimes I forget that you have a song also. So was your song also written by Richard Marx the way mine was?
Jen
No.
Ronnie Caram
Oh.
Emily Simpson
Who wrote your song? I'm not familiar. Anyway, multi Grammy award winner Richard Mark sang my song that we sang on tv and that two podcasters like to sing by themselves quite often to this day.
Tamra Judge
I do whatever I want Whatever I want to.
Ben Mandelker
God, it's so Gretchen shouldn't cover it. I know. We should get Gretchen to fill in for Dr. Jen's part on that song, because Dr. Jen. I mean, talk about a temp track. Like, that woman should not be on any. On any single. Like, whatever that song plays. And they get to Dr. Jen's line, just like, I do my own thing and I do what I want. I'm like, oh, God, Dr. Jen.
Ronnie Caram
So Gretchen tells them she doesn't leave a song. She has four songs. And we see a flashback to 2012. Gretchen singing in the studio.
Tamra Judge
You'll never break me, break me, break me down. You'll never get me to pay his child. Child support. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. You say child support. I say mom support. Stop saying child support.
Ben Mandelker
You'll never break me, break me, break me, break me down. That's actually a song dedicated to her aquanet hair. That thing is not. That thing is not gonna break.
Tamra Judge
That is gonna player households. But it was worth it. You'll never break, break me, break me, break me down.
Ben Mandelker
We need Gretchen and Sheena to do a duet. As long as they're besties, they should be duetting together. I mean, I did not realize that. That the Gretchen Rossi songbook had already reached. Had quadrupled in size since we last saw it, but I had forgotten that she had a song. But we should have remembered. Because wasn't. Didn't that song play during her engagement with Slade on top of the building? Their fake engagement.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah, I remember that one.
Tamra Judge
You're gonna get engaged to me. I'm not writing check to your ex.
Gretchen Rossi
Love.
Tamra Judge
That rhymed.
Ronnie Caram
A great song, Gretchen.
Ben Mandelker
The song is called oh, that rhymed, Emily.
Gretchen Rossi
Oh, that rhymed by Gretchen Rossi. Oh, that rhymed.
Nate
Does Tamara know that? Because if Tamara knew that you had four songs, I feel like she'd play them. I'm gonna text her.
Gretchen Rossi
So Gretchen goes, yeah, well, Tamara tried to be a singer. However, I have the audio of her trying to sing in the studio, and it's, like, not very good.
Ben Mandelker
Now I just want to say the exact quote. I have the audio of her, because, of course, I'm always gonna continue to re litigate the Katie case. This is going to go in by the end of the episode. The file of Gretchen is a liar.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah.
Ben Mandelker
Continues to lie and change her stories.
Ronnie Caram
Compulsively along with her husband. Still lying. Still lying over there. Let's. Let's just not call Gretchen out again. That'll be fun. That's a fun plot twist.
Ben Mandelker
Yes.
Ronnie Caram
And when she says camera tried to sing or be a singer, but she's not good. Okay, Celine, you're Gretchen. You really. Are you really judging anybody else's track?
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Okay, well, I. I can't wait to hear more about this when we go see your residency in Las Vegas. Gretchen Rossi.
Emily Simpson
Now I need to hear this. Oh, that's hilarious.
Ben Mandelker
And Gretchen's like, no, Find it. Find it right now. Now you must find it.
Emily Simpson
Do you want to sleep in a.
Ben Mandelker
Canopy bed tonight or not?
Emily Simpson
Get the song.
Ronnie Caram
When.
Nate
When did Tamra go to a studio?
Tamra Judge
When she banged bleep.
Ronnie Caram
And so apparently Tamara, this producer of this music, and Heather's like, personally, I.
Heather Dubrow
Do not know this singer.
Emily Simpson
Is it.
Heather Dubrow
Do they know Barry Manilow?
Emily Simpson
If it's not Drake, Unfortunately, I'm just not up on who it could possibly be. Sorry.
Heather Dubrow
I am looking close to property next door to the weekend. Is that who you're talking about?
Tamra Judge
No, I don't.
Ronnie Caram
I don't know.
Emily Simpson
Then is it the kid? Laroi?
Nate
No.
Ben Mandelker
So Emily is like.
Unknown Female Speaker
She's like, well, I'm Gen X, of course I know who it is.
Ronnie Caram
So that's like, who is it?
Ben Mandelker
I know. Is it. Is it the lead singer of Candlebox? Maybe it's Silver Chair. Yeah, Silver Chair, the lead singer, Silver Chair. He's shine, shine. Shawning away then in Australia. I'm curious. Who do you like? Like, who do you think it might be? Who do you think? Tamara.
Jen
Who?
Ben Mandelker
What Gen X famous singer might Tamara have banged?
Ronnie Caram
I don't know. But wouldn't it be a producer? So I guess they're saying she was banging a singer, went to the studio to see this singer, and then recorded something in the studio while this. I mean, I don't know.
Ben Mandelker
I can't say.
Ronnie Caram
I have no guesses. I don't. I don't know anybody, really. Amy Grant.
Ben Mandelker
I mean, it was a lesbian moment with Amy Grant. I'm gonna say one of the Nelsons. One of the Nelson brothers.
Ronnie Caram
But weren't they. Okay, would that make sense? Were the not. Weren't the Nelson brothers before our time?
Ben Mandelker
Well, they were like, night. Their song was like 1990. That's like, that's. That's right in the heart of Jennings.
Heather Dubrow
Oh, you mean.
Ronnie Caram
You mean Nelson?
Ben Mandelker
Yo, not like Willie Nelson. I mean, like Nelson, like, I can't live without your love and affection.
Ronnie Caram
You mean like, like. No, that's Hanson. That's Hanson. Oh, my God. If it was Hansen, that would be mortifying.
Tamra Judge
16 year olds.
Ben Mandelker
It's like.
Ronnie Caram
Okay, that's. That's. I guess it would have been really young then. So that's awkward. Okay, so who's Nelson?
Ben Mandelker
Nelson, they. The two brothers, the long blonde hair. And their dad was a famous singer. They're both Nepo babies. And like, they're like. It's connected to that whole, like, Carney Wilson, Mamas and Papa's World or whatever. But Nelson, they. They have. They had like a. A moment in like 1990, 1991, and they had a song that says, I can't live without your love and affection. I can't live another day on my.
Jen
Own I can't live without your.
Ronnie Caram
No.
Ben Mandelker
It's actually an amazing song. And they have.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah. I'm surprised they didn't last, honestly.
Ben Mandelker
Well, the last I heard of them was when I went to Disney World in 2010 and I went to Epcot and I was drinking around the world. And when I got to the America part of drinking around the world, there I had a Bud Light with my friend Michelle. And they have a little stage. We went to stage and Nelson took the stage and they had cut off their hair. Their hair was short. And they were singing all their dad. They were singing all their dad songs. And then at the end they said.
Jen
Okay, and now this is a song.
Ben Mandelker
That I think you guys may have heard of.
Emily Simpson
And it was like, I can't live.
Ben Mandelker
Without your love and affection. I can't Live another day on my own.
Ronnie Caram
People laugh like, I'm not gonna sit here and listen to this short haired bullshit. I'm out of here.
Ben Mandelker
Honestly, when they had that long hair, it was really fun. You should look up a picture of them. They were like Targaryens. They're like two singing Targaryens.
Ronnie Caram
I've got them in my head.
Ben Mandelker
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Ronnie Caram
So Gretchen. So dad, Ricky Nelson.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
Ronnie Caram
Okay, yeah, that makes sense. He was a big.
Ben Mandelker
Someone's gonna. Someone's gonna be like, it was Ricky Nelson.
Jen
Ricky Nelson was your father.
Ben Mandelker
Ricky Nelson is their father.
Ronnie Caram
So yeah, Tamara somebody probably Nelson and Heather's like, we.
Ben Mandelker
Okay, I'm sorry, I. I don't want to belabor this point. If you knew who Nelson was, I think you would really co sign like it would make total sense if Tamra tried to one of the Nelson brothers. Like it just. If you knew what the Nelson brothers look like, you'd be like, okay, I'm.
Ronnie Caram
Looking at them right now. Okay, here's what. What came up. Nelson Mandela. Willie Nelson.
Ben Mandelker
That's not.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah, Lord Nelson and Nelson. Here they are. They both look like Gretchen.
Ben Mandelker
They both actually look like Kristen Takeman.
Ronnie Caram
Here, I'll put it up. I'll put it up on the screen so people can see who are watching on Demand. Because this is, this is Gretchen.
Ben Mandelker
I have an elder. I have a Nelson one as well. Let's see what. Yep. Huh.
Ronnie Caram
Right.
Ben Mandelker
They basically. It's actually like Lori Waring and Vicky. It's actually very close to Lori Waring and Vicky. Yeah. Not even joking. Like, the one on the left is Vicki. The one on the right is Lori Waring. This is like, you know, this is.
Ronnie Caram
Do you think they've made out? I think they've made out.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah.
Ronnie Caram
There, I said it. No, with each other. Okay, so let's remove this now, short haired from my screen. Okay.
Ben Mandelker
Why? Once they lost their. Once they, they cut their hair, they lost a lot of appeal, right?
Ronnie Caram
Yeah, it's biblical. That's what happened to Sam. He was very strong. He was like the strongest man in the world. And then his girlfriend Delilah cut his hair and then he couldn't fight anybody. And I think he got killed. Did he get killed? Probably because that's what happened with long hair. Who cut their head.
Ben Mandelker
You know what, I stand by Delilah. She's like, you know what? If you can't fight with short hair, then you could never fight in the first place. Let's get this together.
Ronnie Caram
Delilah for the win. So Heather is like, was Tamara married.
Heather Dubrow
When she had sex with Nelson?
Ronnie Caram
And Gretchen's like, she just shrugs and.
Heather Dubrow
She goes, oh, that would be bad.
Ronnie Caram
Oh God, this is ancient history. Who cares? Who cares if Tamara cheated on her guy? Except that Tamara is a total hypocrite, of course, and was coming for Gretchen that whole time for cheating. So yeah, I guess it would matter 13 years ago.
Ben Mandelker
But he also. And by the way, and note, note how willing and able and unbothered Gretchen is by casually just dropping an allegation against Tamara. Now I'm not offended by the allegation. I'm just saying that when they raked Katie over their coals of.
Jen
And Gretchen saying, I would never say that.
Gretchen Rossi
I never said that.
Ben Mandelker
And then here she is just happily just throwing out an allegation that could be harmful to Tamara. And I'm pleased. This is not a Tamara defense. This is more of a like, hey, Gretchen moment for me. Just notice. Everyone just notice.
Ronnie Caram
That would have been during the Simon years, right? Was it never.
Ben Mandelker
There was never. There never was a break in between Simon and Eddie, which is.
Ronnie Caram
Oh, that's true. So it was one of them. Well, okay, so now they go back to Heather's penthouse, and Heather's like, oh.
Heather Dubrow
Oh, Alfredo, Nate is here.
Ben Mandelker
Hello.
Heather Dubrow
Hello, butler.
Ronnie Caram
And he's like, hey. And Emily's.
Nate
Emily's like, hey, Nate, did you ever work at the Abbey?
Ronnie Caram
He's like, no, I have not worked it.
Nate
Would you do it? You should do it. Nate took it off. Nate. Hey, Nate, I've got a gummy worm in my purse.
Ben Mandelker
Nate's like, I did audition to be in Downton Abbey, the Final Chapter, but that didn't work out for me. That's why I'm still dressed like this.
Heather Dubrow
It is so special that you guys are sleeping over, so I wanted to make it cute. The theme is tent city. Let's go in.
Emily Simpson
I just wanted to have a nice, cozy sleepover that involves a full spread, a buffet, a butler who stares at.
Ben Mandelker
Us, and canopy beds that are actually just doubles that are way too small for any of us.
Emily Simpson
All right.
Heather Dubrow
You might notice that I put mosquito netting over the bed. I did this so your poor doesn't.
Ronnie Caram
Leak onto me during the night.
Heather Dubrow
Hope nobody minds. Okay, jump in. Isn't this fun? We're girls with beds with lights on them.
Ben Mandelker
Only Heather would say, come over for a fun girls night sleepover and then arrange the room like an orphanage with mosquito netting.
Heather Dubrow
It's a hard knock life for you. It's a hard knock life.
Ronnie Caram
Get out of my house. Get out of my house.
Emily Simpson
Tomorrow. Tomorrow. I'm cleaning this place down tomorrow with disinfectant.
Ben Mandelker
Get out of my house.
Ronnie Caram
So they jump on the beds and they're like, oh, my God, this is so great. And Emily tells us Annabelle had a.
Nate
Sleepover for her 12th birthday, and they laid on the couch and watch a movie. Napoleon popcorn. But I go to Heather's house and have a custom bed and twinkle lights and candy and a butler. Oh, I feel like a shitty mom.
Ben Mandelker
Well, one thing doesn't have to do with another, but. But yeah, you're not a shitty mom because you didn't. You're not. The one thing I will say to Emily's credit, sounds like she actually put on the better sleepover of the two, if you ask me.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah, because Heather ain't serving carbs at hers, that's for sure. Well, she does have candy, which I guess are carbs, but she has all the fat free candy.
Heather Dubrow
You know, she's like, only beef, only gummy type things. There will be no chocolate.
Emily Simpson
I. Oh, I brought my favorite candy because it's what I. It's how I describe the cash in my savings.
Ronnie Caram
Good and plenty good and plenty cost of Heather's sleepover. $15,000. Okay. You're just. There are people that are starving, ma'.
Ben Mandelker
Am.
Ronnie Caram
Okay, you did not to need to put mosquito netting with lights over Gretchen, for Christ's sake.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, get a few air mattresses and put them down.
Ronnie Caram
Let them sleep in your sexy time. Penthouse.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. If you just. Yeah. You're, well, you're wealthy enough that you should have a big enough sofa that you guys should have all been able to sleep like, like everyone else at a sleepover, which is like a few kids on the floor and one kid on the sofa. Like, that's how it goes.
Ronnie Caram
She should have had, like, servants come out and hold them to sleep. You know what I mean? Just, like, be human beds. Just they all have to stand there all night with their arms kind of out.
Ben Mandelker
Like, just. I think servants just get on their hands and knees, they line up next to each other and they like. Then someone just sleeps across. Yeah, that's good. That's good.
Nate
Could you move your spine over a little bit? Alfredo? Okay, perfect.
Ronnie Caram
Perfect.
Ben Mandelker
Thank you.
Ronnie Caram
So they all have monogrammed pajamas, etc. They love it. So in Temecula, it's time for swimsuit. Swim. Swimsuit shirts.
Ben Mandelker
They've got T shirts.
Ronnie Caram
Yes. They've got wacky, Wacky shower caps. Wacky swim caps to wear with flowers on them. And Jen comes into Shannon to check on her, and Shannon's like, oh, I'm just so tired. First of all, your cap is on backwards.
Heather Dubrow
Come on.
Tamra Judge
Come on, Jen.
Ronnie Caram
I'm trying here with you. Jen's like, it is.
Jen
I'm so sorry. How can you tell? It's like. Well, it's, it's because my, my mother.
Ben Mandelker
Where my grandmother used to wear these all the time.
Jen
And I'm not saying that I'm, I'm one to wear a, A synchronized swimming turban all the time, but I, I, I, I do wear these, actually, when.
Ben Mandelker
The cameras aren't rolling. So.
Gretchen Rossi
Okay, turn it around, Turn it around.
Tamra Judge
Right here.
Ronnie Caram
This is the do brow joint that I brought. Okay. I brought a dual brow joint. And this is like a vacation situation.
Tamra Judge
And Heather's marijuana is like the voove of marijuana. Okay? And like, you don't need to see.
Ronnie Caram
You need to save that for a special occasion. It's like an emergency joint and we're busting it out.
Ben Mandelker
Tell me you are banking on Heather's real estate contacts without telling me that you're banking on Heather's real estate contacts.
Jen
Oh, my God. Heather Debro has the best weed in all of Southern California.
Emily Simpson
Okay, you can sell your two bedroom house to my.
Ben Mandelker
My. My maid.
Emily Simpson
Enjoy.
Heather Dubrow
This is my friend Gina. She's. She's the leader in the market of servants quarters.
Ronnie Caram
So if anybody needs something.
Heather Dubrow
Gina, you sold a 5,000 square foot maid's home? God, good for you.
Ronnie Caram
She's so talented.
Heather Dubrow
I bought her that jacket.
Jen
No, you didn't.
Heather Dubrow
Shut up. You won't get allowance.
Ben Mandelker
So. So Tamara is like, sagina.
Gretchen Rossi
Did I do okay? I do okay?
Jen
Gina's like, actually, honestly, I'm, like, proud of you for, like. Like, I feel like you did a good job of, like, taking ownership of stuff and, like, also communicating the way that you feel.
Ben Mandelker
When did Tamara do any of that? I didn't. T was just doing the Tamara. You know, Tamara's like, yeah, well, you know what?
Gretchen Rossi
I'm not a walk in the back, okay?
Jen
Oh, really? I would never have thought so.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah. So now Gina's like, you know, I do think Tamara wants to change, but, like, she's been in therapy for, like.
Tamra Judge
10 minutes, and, like, you gotta give.
Ronnie Caram
People speeds for ghouls, okay? That's how. Just. That's just how my accent is. Today's piece for ghouls. I don't know why I'm talking like that, but I am Spring sprinkle. What?
Emily Simpson
What?
Ronnie Caram
Is she pronouncing her words like that? Does she even have an accent? Because she's starting to remind me of Brittany from, like, the Valley Vanderpump rules, who came home with little Lil, and now is all of a sudden, like, Halloween. Like, what? Where is this coming from? You guys, stop playing. I know.
Ben Mandelker
So then Jen's checking in on Shannon, and she's like, are you okay after Danny?
Jen
Just wondering. And Jen's like, oh, well, you know, it's just a little exhausting. I mean, it was a lot of shaking of that twig. So my arm is just a little tired right now.
Ben Mandelker
Jen's like, well, you know.
Jen
You know what Gina told me? Gina just said, I don't care.
Ben Mandelker
I'm sorry.
Jen
Gina just said, I care about Tamara. I've known her a long time, but.
Ben Mandelker
I don't get into my deep, dark secrets with Tamara. Because that's what you do with your best friends. You hold them at arm's length and don't share anything with them. And then you announce how close you are with them.
Jen
That's just what she does.
Ben Mandelker
Like, wow, it sounds like you're chosen a really great friend if you can't even say anything to them. Without fear that they're going to regurgitate it and use it against you. Yeah.
Ronnie Caram
So Jen's like, yeah, her cycle's never gonna stop. That's just who she is. But let's have some fun. Spoiler alert. They don't ever. This is miserable. This trip is miserable. Shannon's miserable. Shannon really is the big downer on this trip. Like, what she thinks about Tamara. She's still being extremely tiring on television. It's like, come on, perk up. Perk up. So now they decide to go have fun. And then back at Heather's penthouse, Gretchen and Emily are now in Heather's room, I guess, trying on her clothes and throwing her Fendi boxes around and putting on fur coats.
Ben Mandelker
I didn't know what was going on in this situation. This was definitely, like, the. The. The movie that did come out, like, in 1991, where, like, the poor children get, like, brought into, like, the. The rich family, and then they start, like, raiding the evil stepmom's closet and, like, putting on coats and, like, oversized hats and heels, and it's silly. And then she comes in and yells at them, and they hatch a plan to, like, throw eggs at her and make her life torture. You know, that. It just.
Ronnie Caram
I was like, that sounds really good, actually. What's that movie?
Ben Mandelker
It's. It's called the Gretchen Trap.
Ronnie Caram
I'm really into orphan movies. When I was a kid, my dream was that I was adopted and my real parents were out there somewhere. And I love that movie, Annie. And I lived on the second. My bedroom was on the second story, and so I used to open my window, and I used to sit on the windowsill and just sing out to the street. Maybe far away. I would sing songs from Annie like, I was an orphan to the whole street. It was, like, 10. The orphan genre. Just love it.
Ben Mandelker
Wasn't. Wasn't there. That movie, the Journey of Natty Gan, I remember, wasn't, like, a girl who was, like, orphaned, who was just trying to find some.
Ronnie Caram
Like, was that the girl who ran away and, like, put all of her stuff in a bindle and then met, like, the gangsters on the train tracks or whatever? Is that what that was?
Ben Mandelker
I think so. Something like that.
Ronnie Caram
No, that was Savannah or searching for Savannah or something like that. Oh, God, those were so good. And my mom was like, get in.
Tamra Judge
Your room or you're gonna be grounded.
Ronnie Caram
And I was like, no, I'm adopted.
Tamra Judge
I'm gonna find my real parents.
Ronnie Caram
And she's like, ronnie, look at your toes.
Heather Dubrow
You've got webbed feet. You're ours.
Ronnie Caram
Because the Lebanese side we all have webbed toes. And she's like, just look at your feet.
Heather Dubrow
You're dreaming. Is dead.
Ben Mandelker
I hate to break it to you, but your parents are alive.
Emily Simpson
Now let get in the car.
Ben Mandelker
We're going to the restaurant to make a scene.
Ronnie Caram
Get in the car. We're going to ho so I can be served last.
Ben Mandelker
If I were an orphan.
Ronnie Caram
Hey, gotta have a dream. Okay, so we're back at the penthouse house and they're doing like pillow fights and stuff. And Gretchen's just wasted rolling around in Heather's furs and saying, I need this.
Tamra Judge
Coat in my life. I feel like I'm fabulous. Oh, my gosh. This is what it would be be like to be a billionaire.
Ben Mandelker
And then Ben Mandelker walks in the room. I'm sorry, I meant Heather debrow with a look of disgust on her face.
Emily Simpson
And she's like, what Gretchers? What is wrong with you? Note how I used Gretchers, which shows that I am fun and relatable because I use your nickname, which doesn't even make sense.
Gretchen Rossi
Oh, everything is fine, Heather. Everything is fine.
Ben Mandelker
Heather is like.
Emily Simpson
I don't know if you realize this, but I sanction off a small part.
Ben Mandelker
Of my apartment to have silly fun.
Emily Simpson
Times, and this is not in the.
Ben Mandelker
Silly fun time zone. I do have to insist that we leave here and resume all pillow fighting in the living room slash orphanage.
Ronnie Caram
Thank you very much. Alfredo is leading out the other Alfredo in handcuffs. He's like, what did I do? This is what you get for letting them pass the rope.
Emily Simpson
You have one job. One job? Actually, two jobs if you include bringing silverware to Nobu.
Heather Dubrow
Well, I guess we're not making the human bed tonight. We're down in Alfredo. All right, everybody, let's come back to the light hearted room.
Nate
I feel like I got in trouble with Mom.
Ben Mandelker
You did. Actually. You feel that way because you did.
Heather Dubrow
It's fine. The pillows are fine. Everything is gonna be fine.
Emily Simpson
Oh, good. We are back in the zone of fun. Hey, does anybody want pizza?
Ben Mandelker
Pizza.
Emily Simpson
It's a round dough thing with cheese and tomato sauce. I once used a slice of it to show I was relatable in New York. When I dropped some of it on my knee, it was hilarious. Look, I found a whole box of it in my kitchen.
Ben Mandelker
Come have some.
Heather Dubrow
Would anybody like to have the most light hearted meal on the planet? Pizza. Let's do it.
Emily Simpson
How fun is this?
Ronnie Caram
Wow.
Ben Mandelker
So Emily is like, oh, I need.
Unknown Female Speaker
A Valium Hey, Nate, you ever work at the Abbey? I'm just gonna ask you one more time just to remind you.
Ben Mandelker
He's like, I have not.
Ronnie Caram
And now the court. Now the grilling begins. Emily's like, so let's. Heather goes, let's talk about people.
Nate
Okay, Gretchen, I'm still intrigued by this. By this song of Tamra's. Was it a pop song?
Tamra Judge
It's like, I don't freaking remember. What the heck am I supposed to know about it? I don't know. Nothing. You can't do nothing to me.
Ronnie Caram
Gretchen's all wasted.
Tamra Judge
Just like, what are you talking about? I need some pizza. You better call 911 and give me some pizza.
Emily Simpson
Why do you have her singing first and foremost?
Gretchen Rossi
Oh, because somebody sent it to Slade.
Ben Mandelker
Just.
Emily Simpson
So you just kept it?
Ben Mandelker
Well, I mean, Heather. Yes, of course you keep something like that.
Ronnie Caram
What, are you gonna delete it? Come on. Of course you keep it.
Ben Mandelker
Of course you keep it. As Tamara singing. Singing a Nelson song.
Gretchen Rossi
I can't be without your love and affection do me, do me right now let's laugh.
Tamra Judge
Love, yeah, baby, It.
Ben Mandelker
She was really ahead of her time if she was singing that in 1991.
Ronnie Caram
Oh, yeah. And Gretchen's like, because someone sent it.
Tamra Judge
To Slate, that's why.
Heather Dubrow
So you kept it?
Tamra Judge
No, they sent it to him, and he. He just had it.
Nate
Wait a minute. Why does Slade have it? Does he have an archive?
Heather Dubrow
Ask him for the song. I just want to hear the song.
Tamra Judge
Oh, you guys are gonna get me in trouble.
Nate
I want to hear it, too. Come on, let's jam to it.
Emily Simpson
Gretchers.
Nate
Go get your phone.
Jen
Gretchers.
Ronnie Caram
I'm, like, pulling off my skin on the other side of the tv. I'm like, please stop saying Gretchers.
Ben Mandelker
It's so funny. Gretcher's. It's just, like, one millimeter away from just being Gretchen. Just the aura down a little bit. So Emily's like, so Gretchen says, yeah.
Gretchen Rossi
This is not good. This could be, like, really bad. Oh, my God. I know. I don't want to show it. They want to show it, you guys. Then World War 9 is about to happen.
Ronnie Caram
Guys, World War. I honestly believe that Gretchen does not know how many world wars there have been.
Tamra Judge
World War Night, the bad thing happened.
Ronnie Caram
So back in Temecula, Shannon's like, look, I can stand the crackers and synchronize screaming. Like, oh, my God. Shanna said screaming, oh, what is. Oh, she's putting together a snack tray. I see.
Ben Mandelker
Yeah. She meant to say swimming, and she sort of lays out the. She lays out the crackers with a flourish because it's like synchronized swimming. And Tamara's like, we should take a picture. And Jen tells us, okay, see, this.
Jen
Is the stuff I love.
Ben Mandelker
This is a girls trip, you know, putting crackers on a tray, that's what we live for, those moments. And Tamara's got fun, you know, ups. You know, ups for episodes is stuff for us, stuff for us to go swimming in.
Jen
And when I get back, I'm gonna.
Ben Mandelker
Think about what our friend was like before all this.
Jen
And you know, Tamara and I had fun and Tamara's a good time, you.
Ben Mandelker
Know, and Tamara, they're like taking photos. And then Gina does this whole bit about how Shannon's like the madam of.
Jen
The synchronized swim team.
Ben Mandelker
And they do like this whole bit of like Shannon being a synchronized swimmer. And it's like silliness. And Temecula.
Ronnie Caram
Yeah, they're, they're having a crazy time.
Heather Dubrow
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Date: September 19, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
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A sharp, comedic breakdown of "The Real Housewives of Orange County" Season 19, Episode 11, where dual group trips unravel, friendships are tested, and sleepovers get the Bravo treatment. Ben and Ronnie serve their signature mix of praise, ridicule, and affectionate evisceration, poking fun at both the Housewives and themselves throughout.
"Shannon has grabbed...a small twig...It was like a fidget spinner for her...as she talked, this little branch was trembling right in front of her." – Ben, 06:49
"Her love language is acts of bar service. It’s cocktail service. That’s a love language." – (as Tamra) Ben, 08:45
"Shannon’s a maniac...and she’s starting to scream for no reason...Tamra over there pretending to be nice for five seconds and then immediately falling back, and that's a stupid alcoholic." – Ronnie, 10:42
"You can't control where you come from, but you can control who your children hang out with." – Ronnie (as Heather), mocking Heather's controlling ways, 25:43
"Who would have thought that three gay icons—Heather Dubrow, Emily Simpson, and Gretchen Rossi—wouldn’t have just brought in throngs of gays? Shocking." – Ben, 28:55
"Gretchers. I’ve had enough. Can we just normalize not saying the word Gretchers?" – Ronnie, 35:54
"You should look up a picture of them. They were like Targaryens. They're like two singing Targaryens." – Ben, 46:23
"Only Heather would say, come over for a fun girls night sleepover and then arrange the room like an orphanage with mosquito netting." – Ben, 53:04
| Segment | Timestamp | |----------------------------------------------|-----------------| | Intro, Patreon & Crappy Hour | 03:33–04:50 | | Dual group trip setup | 05:27–05:54 | | Shannon's Drinking Intervention/Twig | 06:08–12:48 | | Heather’s Dad Trauma & Restaurant Stories | 15:29–20:32 | | Abbey Bar Night / Empty Energy | 27:15–36:05 | | Gretchen’s Songbook & Tamra Rumors | 39:15–46:36 | | Heather’s Slumber Party: Décor + Dynamics | 52:15–56:59 | | Synchronized Swimming & Silly Bits | 66:41–67:42 |
This recap covers all the high and low points of an RHOC episode where the drama is part petty, part poignant, and always ripe for parody. Ben and Ronnie’s vivid re-enactments, combined with inside Housewives lore and quirky personal anecdotes, ensure you get every layer—whether it's who’s faking fun, what “service twig” means, or just how stilted a Bravo slumber party can truly be.
For Part Two, look for the next episode labeled "Part Two"!