#3005 RHOC S19E11 Part Two: Safety in Slumbers

Summary

Watch What Crappens #3005 RHOC S19E11 Part Two: Safety in Slumbers
Date: September 19, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Ben and Ronnie pick up their two-part recap of The Real Housewives of Orange County ("RHOC") Season 19, Episode 11. The focus is on the Housewives’ split slumber parties—a luxury Beverly Hills affair versus a more “real” Temecula gathering. The hosts revel in dissecting the cast’s ever-shifting narratives, petty dramas, and especially the unfolding "Tamra singing audio" saga. Expect mockery, Bravo-fueled impressions, and pointed commentary on hypocrisy and housewife antics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Beverly Hills Sleepover Drama

• Gretchen, Slade & the Elusive Audio Recording

  • The group obsesses over whether a recording of Tamra singing (and possibly more…) exists.
  • Changing Stories:
    • Gretchen repeatedly changes her story about the audio: once she "has it," then "Slade has it," then it’s just been "heard," and ultimately "no one has it."
      • "So Gretchen says I have recording of Tamara singing. And then it becomes, oh, I don't have it. Slade has it..." — Jen (06:19)
    • Slade claims he's "not interested in sharing dirt" but wants to "tell the truth," which Ben and Ronnie delight in skewering:
      • "Oh, yeah. Slade, thank you for being a warrior in this moment." — Heather (06:08)
      • "You slime bag, get the fuck out of here and take Gretchers with you." — Heather (06:10)
    • The hosts point out the hypocrisy: Gretchen covers up, then asks others not to say anything on camera, just as she's accused others (like Katie) of doing earlier in the season.

• The Slumber Party Itself

  • The hosts lampoon the Beverly Hills sleepover's extravagance:
    • Private chef, sous chef, custom menus, and a "luxury" vibe that feels totally unauthentic for a slumber party.
    • "This is like the most unfun sleepover in the history of sleepovers. I'm sorry." — Jen (20:10)
    • "Heather, you just need to do a better sleepover. Needs to be better. Sorry." — Jen (21:07)
  • Gretchen’s play at being “one of the gals” is hilariously undercut by her desperation for approval and screen time.

• Iconic Quotes:

  • "If I wanted to hear a possum groaning, I would just tune into some of Wendy Malik's acting choices." — Tamara (05:24)
  • "Slade's gross. Slade Smiley, ladies and gentlemen. You slime bag, get the fuck out of here and take Gretchers with you." — Heather (06:08-06:10)

The Temecula Getaway — "Realness" and Passive Aggression

• Poolside with Gina, Emily, Shannon, and Co.

  • Gina jokes about being a “California super” for her enjoyment of THC and pokes at Shannon for never joining in due to her chronic cough “since 2008.”
    • "I, I, I have a cough, okay. Since 2008, so I can't, I can't do that." — Shannon/Heather impression (10:17)
  • Discussion quickly turns passive-aggressive about everyone’s health and drinking, but especially Shannon’s—who bristles at Gina and Emily’s “concern.”
  • The hosts highlight the classic Housewives hypocrisy: Tamra, who’s caused her fair share of drunken chaos, now leads the concern about Shannon’s health.
    • "...We've seen you wasted and making a fool out of yourself on this show for over a decade." — Heather (11:50)

• Sad Single Life?

  • Group discussion devolves into concern-trolling Shannon’s single status, therapy, and “catastrophizing.” The hosts lampoon the implication that a woman is only whole with a man.
    • "You people are so ridiculous. Shut up. She's going to survive this. The best thing for Shannon is to be single." — Heather (44:47)
  • Gina’s personal traumas and endless monologues about her relationship with Travis are mercilessly skewered for being boring and meandering.

• Breakfast #Fail

  • Shannon’s obsessive focus on serving up cauliflower hash browns as a metaphor for her personal life falling apart.
    • "[Shannon’s] like, okay, I just have to focus on the cauliflower rice hash browns, okay? Because if you don't do it right, they crumble apart. Sort of like my marriages." — Gina/Heather impression (16:18)

The Gretchen & Slade Marriage Debate

• Financial Transparency?

  • At the Beverly Hills breakfast, Heather, Tamra, and Emily grill Gretchen and Slade about their unconventional non-marriage and finances.
  • Gretchen is cagey about whether she and Slade share money, pointing to long-standing rumors about Slade’s debts and whether marriage entails legal liability for his back child support.
    • "Are they not getting married so that she's not liable? Like, they can't come after her for that debt as his partner?" — Heather (36:26)
  • Heather points out the weirdness of their arrangement—but acknowledges it's none of her business (while digging anyway).

• Proposed, But Not Married

  • Flashbacks and reminders that Gretchen once proposed to Slade, but circumstances (mostly financial) have kept them from marrying. The hosts mock Gretchen for her reactivity to the questioning and her attempts to frame herself as a victim.

Shannon vs. Tamra — Family Drama, Boundaries, and Therapy

• Tamra Crosses the Line

  • In a tense moment, Tamra brings up Shannon’s alcoholic father during a personal conversation, which Shannon immediately calls out as a betrayal.
    • "Never in my wildest dreams did I think that the private conversation with Tamara Judge would ever be brought up on camera. How dare she?" — Shannon/Ben impression (48:24)
  • The hosts side with Shannon, mocking Tamra’s attempts to play therapist or peacemaker when she’s often the one stirring the pot.
    • "Pretty funny, Tamara trying to explain therapy to Shannon. No one has been to more therapy than Shannon." — Heather (50:56)
  • Recurrent theme: Tamra’s “concern” is transparent manipulation, with hosts highlighting her “Alcoholic father = alcoholic daughter” narrative as classic Real Housewives psycho-babble.

• Quote Hall-of-Fame:

  • "You can't be stupid and smart. You came onto the show...you had all your ducks in a row...now she's gonna act like, oops, oh, my God, I said this thing. You guys can't bring it back to Tamra." — Jen (41:04)

Recap of Notable Housewives Hypocrisy & Meltdowns

• Hosts consistently point out recurring cycles:
  • Housewives accuse others of lies or cover-ups while engaging in them.
  • Everyone claims to be "concerned" or "helpful" while orchestrating public embarrassments.
  • Shannon’s history of storming out or “having a meltdown” is playfully recited by the hosts as classic Housewives canon.

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Notable Quotes & Meme Moments (with Timestamps)

• "If I wanted to hear a possum groaning, I would just tune into some of Wendy Malik's acting choices."
  — Tamara (05:24)
• "You slime bag, get the fuck out of here and take Gretchers with you."
  — Heather (06:10)
• "This is like the most unfun sleepover in the history of sleepovers."
  — Jen (20:10)
• "You can't be stupid and smart."
  — Jen (41:04)
• "Pretty funny, Tamara trying to explain therapy to Shannon. No one has been to more therapy than Shannon."
  — Heather (50:56)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Discussion about the “Tamra Singing Audio” begins: 03:54
• Slumber Party transitions, hypocrisy flagged: 06:51–09:45
• Temecula breakfast & Shannon’s breakdown: 15:23–18:38
• Beverly Hills luxury sleepover & Gretchen grilled about finances: 31:06–37:14
• Tamra’s bombshell about Shannon’s father and therapy drama: 47:20–54:00
• Episode wrap-up & hosts’ final takes: 55:10–end

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Hosts' Tone and Language

Ben and Ronnie keep things sharp, sarcastic, and deeply referential. They perform housewife impressions, volley brutal one-liners, and sustain an undercurrent of affectionate trolling. Their style alternates between clever pop-culture commentary and playground mockery, always staying "in on the joke" even as they call out Bravo's favorite messes.

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Useful for New Listeners?

Absolutely—the summary covers all major housewife alliances, betrayals, and running jokes, while pinpointing the best quotes, hypocrisy, and classic Crappens snark. Perfect for anyone who missed the episode but wants the scoop (and the laugh).

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[Gina]

Back into the recap.

[Heather]

So let's go over to Beverly Hills. Gretchen is looking for her phone.

[Terry]

It's like, siri, where are you at?

[Emily]

Where you are?

[Slade]

Where's your phone?

[Terry]

I can't find it. I'm looking everywhere. It's someone. Oh, hey, I found it.

[Jen]

So they're like saying how Emily's like.

[Slade]

I need to hear the song. I'm not going to let her off the hook. This is what happens to sleepovers. You drink fireball and then you talk about your nemesis.

[Jen]

I was like, I don't remember drinking fireball when I was 11 years old at my friend's sleepover. But that's fine. Different.

[Heather]

Well, we all grow up differently, I guess. So then Gretchen facetime Slade, who is so excited, he's like, got his ring light out. He's like, got like bronzer. He's like, ready to go. He did his full, like, face contouring. He's like, hello. He's holding microphone. He's like, hello, it's me, Slade. Just another casual night at home.

[Emily]

What can I do for you ladies? Ding, ding, ding.

[Jen]

Yeah. And so Emily's like, well, it has.

[Slade]

Come to my attention that there's maybe an audio recording of Tamra singing in his studio.

[Jen]

And he goes, oh. What? Well, the story goes this was her trying to record a song. And then the two of them started messing around and then they forgot they were recording. So the audio of their extracurricular is on there too. Isn't that hilarious?

[Heather]

What?

[Slade]

It's a song of them having sex.

[Emily]

Oh, well, that's what I've been told. I'm not really, you know, I wouldn't know.

[Heather]

Wait, you said you had the audio.

[Emily]

Just No, I said I heard the audio of her in the studio trying to sing. Did you hear the other audio, Slay?

[Heather]

And he's like, yeah, it was played for me.

[Gretchen]

No, we wanted to hear her sing. I don't care about the other stuff. I. I really.

[Emily]

I don't. That's just so.

[Heather]

Ooh.

[Gretchen]

It's just so. It's just a poor.

[Heather]

So poor.

[Tamara]

If I wanted to hear a possum groaning, I would just tune into some of Wendy Malik's acting choices.

[Jen]

So Emily is like, Slade.

[Slade]

I mean, he literally, like, salivates at the mouth when he gets to talk about Tamra. I mean, Shane would have just told me, shut the. About Tamra, move on. Then again, he says that about really anything I say. So Slay just like, feeds it. If he feeds it and feeds it and feeds it and feeds it, you know?

[Heather]

Yeah, Slade's gross. And so now, of course, they don't have the recording, you know, and then Slate tells us, when it comes to Tamra, I'm not really interested in, you know, sharing dirt on Tamra, but I am interested in telling the truth. Oh, yeah. Slade, thank you for being a warrior in this moment.

[Jen]

Yeah, yeah. Thank you for.

[Heather]

For this so bastion of honesty. Slade Smiley, ladies and gentlemen. You slime bag, get the fuck out of here and take Gretchers with you.

[Jen]

So Gretchen says I have recording of Tamara singing. And then it becomes, oh, I don't have it. Slade has it. And then it becomes, yeah, I have a recording of her singing. And then they forget the mic is on. So then they start having sex. You can hear the sex. And it's like, oh, but actually I don't have that. It was just played for me. And. Oh, we don't have that audio, but we have audio of her singing. But then we still don't even hear the. The singing audio. So.

[Gina]

Huh.

[Jen]

It's hard just saying, you know, when you're. When you're. When we've already seen you say, I went to the hospital. I didn't go to the hospital. And now this story is. Is rapidly changing while we're hearing it. We're really supposed to believe that Katie is just like the one who is totally fallible in this entire, entire stupid situation earlier this season. I don't think so, is what I'm trying to say. I don't think.

[Heather]

Yeah, well, yeah, it's hypocrisy, these people. But he didn't say he actually has a recording, right, of the song.

[Jen]

I don't know at that point. Let's see.

[Heather]

I'm just. You guys, I'm just, like, interested in the truth.

[Jen]

Okay, Gretchen said that they had a recording. Well, she didn't she just say this right in here, Somewhere in the middle. Now I'm going, I'm going.

[Heather]

She said she has the recording of Tamara, but then she said, no, Slade has a recording. Then Slade says, no, I don't have the recording, but I heard it and they were in the recording.

[Jen]

And Gretchen says, no. I said, I heard the audio of her in the studio trying to sing the song. So now it's like, do you have it? Do you not have it? Because fire, you are lying. Okay.

[Gretchen]

Yeah, lie, lie.

[Heather]

So then Emily's like, okay, well, if you're not going to show us the song, Slade, we're going to go back to our slumber party by Loser. So they hang up on him.

[Gretchen]

And Heather's like, let's go do what girls do. Hang out in our beds.

[Emily]

I could.

[Gretchen]

Could really use the comfort of mosquito.

[Heather]

Netting surrounding me right about now.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Gina]

And Gretchen's like, you guys can't go.

[Terry]

Back to Tamara and tell her this because this is gonna be a problem. Oh, no.

[Jen]

You'Re with Emily Simpson. Okay?

[Heather]

And also, you just brought it up on camera and called Slade on, like, what do you think is gonna happen? So now she's gonna try and turn it.

[Emily]

I don't want the girls to say anything about the extracurricular activity because that's not why I called Slade. I. I wanted to hear the footage of Tamara in the studio sounding like a drowned rat.

[Jen]

So not to beat a dead horse, but you know what? Sometimes you just gotta beat a dead horse. It's dead, right? Who cares?

[Heather]

But the.

[Jen]

So now. So Gretchen wants us to believe that when Katie says that there's a cover up, that Gretchen called and said, don't talk about this. Don't talk about this. What I said at Javier's or whatever. Like, we're just going to deny, deny, deny. Don't say that I said this on camera. And then when Katie says she said this and told me to say this, and Gretchen goes, what? That's crazy. I never said don't say this. And yet now, literally two episodes later, Gretchen is dropping some bombs and then saying, don't tell anyone. Don't tell anyone, don't tell anyone. And now we're supposed to, like, not.

[Gina]

Believe Katie on this.

[Jen]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Heather]

Literally doing the exact same thing again. Covering up another cover up.

[Jen]

Yes, I. I actually, controversially am greatly enjoying Gretchen's return this season, but she's, she's full of, she's full of total, total.

[Heather]

Yeah, she is. She's a liar. So back in Temecula, it's pool time. Gina, let your joint. And she's like, I'm what they like.

[Emily]

To call California super. And, like, I enjoy a little thc, okay?

[Heather]

So, you know, they're going to get Shannon to smoke, and it's like, I.

[Emily]

Can'T, I, I, I, I have a cough, okay. Since 2008, so I can't, I can't do that.

[Jen]

A 2008 cop.

[Heather]

She's like, she was like, she's not like Doc Holiday.

[Emily]

Like, does she have, what does she have, like a black long? Like, come on.

[Gina]

I, no, but I, I did go to a barbecue once, and they were using a, a cold barbecue, and I am afraid that I may have developed some black lung from that barbecue. So please don't joke about that. It's very serious. 2008 was a tough year. Tough year for all of us.

[Emily]

Well, I'm gonna say this, and I hope you don't take offense to this, Shannon, but, like, I like you. I really do. And I worry about you because, like, Matt just had a heart attack and it freaks me out. And, like, I worry about you, Shannon. She goes, I'm, I'm good. I'm good. Thank you, thank you for your lukewarm, passive aggressive care, but I'm fine.

[Gina]

Well, I'm so glad that someone had to almost drop dead before you had some shred of concern about me, but it makes you feel any better. I, I, I eat salmon regularly, occasionally stuffed with cream cheese. And I, my heart, my heart may be broken, but it is good.

[Terry]

So don't worry about me.

[Heather]

Tamara, who just a couple of weeks ago got so wasted on booze and benzos that she had a breakdown and ran away and quit now, says, I.

[Emily]

Think Gina's concerns are the same concerns that I've had. And it's Shannon's drinking. It just takes a toll on your body.

[Heather]

Please be quiet. We've seen you wasted and making a fool out of yourself on this show for over a decade.

[Jen]

Ma', am, I believe the term is not wasted. I believe the term is sloshed.

[Heather]

That is the pot calling the kettle. One black, and I will not stand for it.

[Gina]

So you think you were gonna call her and she's not gonna answer someday? You think that's what's gonna happen? She was like, no, it's just like, you know, it's like, over 40 now. I'm, like, very aware that you could have serious health. Things that happen to you just, like, freaky. Like, I don't like that. It's weird. I feel bad.

[Emily]

Well, inside, I'm. Inside, I'm 26. Well, 20. 28. Okay, I turned 28 inside. Okay, I admit it. My inside is 28. Are you happy?

[Gina]

Well, I'm 28 on the inside, but I'm a dignified and classy inside. 28.

[Terry]

Unlike that slutty outside 28 on the beach.

[Gina]

Okay. All right. You know, the girls, you know, you know, you know, you know, her girls are out of the house, and she's, like, being by herself, and I just, like, truly believe that it's, like, way easier to make bad decisions when you're alone. That's all.

[Jen]

I'm like, well, yes, based on your fashion sense, I would agree you can make some really bad decisions when you're alone.

[Heather]

But based on the lack of improvement in your fashion sense and the fact that we've seen Matt watching you pack, I would say your decisions don't get much better with a partner. So.

[Jen]

And also, I would say, based on all the word art in your home, it seems like you can make bad decisions when you're out in public around people in Marshalls.

[Emily]

Well, I'm sitting at home with my dog. I'm watching news. I'm doing my sudoku, and I'm timing myself at every single one, and I'm really getting good. So I don't bring up this kind of stuff because I have a very good life right now. It's very good. I'm very good at times. Sudoku.

[Gina]

Yes. I do my daily puzzle from Lonely People's Quarterly. They have an app, and they. They release a daily sudoku while you wait for the next edition of Only People's Quarterly. Why do they release it only once every three months?

[Emily]

I've really been into a new game called Curdle, where every day you try and find five different kinds of milk to jot down. I don't know.

[Gina]

Yeah, I. I like to play a game called spelling bean. It's not spelling B, it's spelling bin. B, E, E, N, as in everything's past tense for you. Now, you're a has been, and you spell things, and you only. You only find words that are in the past tense.

[Heather]

So back in Beverly, word that's very.

[Gina]

Popular is left divorced and used to be betrayed.

[Jen]

One big compound word.

[Heather]

No, betrayed.

[Emily]

Cheated on.

[Gina]

Which is weird because that's two words, but they accept it.

[Heather]

So back in Bev Hills, it's Time for bed. And they all led the summer parties. And Gretchen's like, oh, my God, legit.

[Emily]

This is my favorite slumber party.

[Heather]

Stop talking, Gretchen. I'm trying to sleep.

[Emily]

But it's my favorite slumber party. I love you girls.

[Gretchen]

Good night, John boy.

[Emily]

Shut up, Emily. I love you. Good night, Emily.

[Heather]

Shut the up, Gretchen.

[Terry]

Does anyone want me to sing them to sleep? You're never gonna break me. You're never gonna bring me.

[Emily]

Oh, yeah.

[Terry]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather]

It's like a mashup. She should do a mashup with Tamara.

[Emily]

Okay.

[Jen]

Yeah, she really should.

[Heather]

So, Temecula, it's time to wake up. And Shannon is stressing out because she's making something from a recipe and trying to turn on ovens and play with all of her bakeware. And she's just stressing out, going over all of her stuff. And Tamara's like, you need help cooking?

[Emily]

And she's like, well, I may have.

[Heather]

A pot for you to stir.

[Emily]

Okay, don't bother me. I'm very, very busy.

[Gina]

I. I am making what everyone wants when they wake up.

[Terry]

Cauliflower rice hash browns.

[Gina]

So does anyone want some. Some non potato hash browns made of cauliflower? That's what everyone wants in the breakfast. For breakfast, right?

[Emily]

Hope we're down for some watery hash browns.

[Jen]

So Tamara's like, so.

[Gina]

She's like, stop it.

[Terry]

Like, how's your new house, Shannon? Are you ever gonna invite me over? Do I get to see Archie ever again, huh? Hey, tell me about the house. Is it hot ass gonna handle a hot person like me, Shannon?

[Gina]

And she's like, okay, I just have to focus on the cauliflower rice hash browns, okay? Because if you don't do it right, they crumble apart. Sort of like my marriages.

[Emily]

Okay, well, okay, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to concentrate. I've got one cup of blonde and another cup of beach and another cup of I've just left you for a damp blonde whore on the beach. God damn it, I hate hash brown.

[Gina]

I used to tell David, why don't we hash it out? And he said, why don't you make me a hash brown?

[Terry]

And oh, I love when he would say that.

[Gina]

Gotta get back to the hash browns. Gotta get back to the hash browns.

[Emily]

So is that a no? You don't like your hats and not inviting me over? What are you saying? I'm saying I am trying to concentrate on our she. There's five doors down from my other place. Okay, now I need more sugar. Could you look in the thing? See if you see sugar. Just see if you see sugar, Tamara.

[Gina]

Okay? It's very important. Doesn't we. Please don't distract me. I'm trying to make some sugary cauliflower. Can you please not distract me?

[Emily]

This is gonna sweet cauliflower breakfast right now. Hey, what's your favorite thing about me? My favorite thing about you is your hair, Shannon. I love your hair, Shannon.

[Gina]

Okay, you know what? I really. I, I, I just. I have a job to do. I have to serve these women disgusting little hash browns, and she is distracting me.

[Emily]

I would love that. You smelled like jar olives. You smell like a jar of olives. Hey, you should have your own candle. It smells like a jar of olives, Shannon.

[Gina]

Chairman's like, oh, you're an Aries.

[Terry]

You're just like. You can't even talk about something else.

[Jen]

You know what's so funny? I was just talking to my friend Neil about how, like, there are certain zodiac signs that people always, like, announce that they are. People are always like, oh, it's Leo season. I'm a Virgo. No offense. I mean, I'm a Sag. People say, sag. I'm a Satch. But people are like, certain ones. People are always saying, I feel like I never hear people say, oh, I'm an Aries. Aries season has started, everyone. Aries. I was like, I even forgot Aries was part of the.

[Heather]

The.

[Jen]

I was at the party. I didn't even remember Aries was a zodiac sign. So just so funny that I mentioned that two days ago. And then now here comes Eddie. There we go in Aries and Aries and Aries.

[Heather]

And so now what we know about Aries is that they just want Shannon to shut the. I mean, they just want Tamara to shut the. Up in the kitchen. That's like all any Aries wants. It's in all of their horoscopes.

[Jen]

Yeah, that's a really uninteresting story I told about Aries right now. I'm glad everyone enjoyed.

[Heather]

No, it's actually true. I don't really hear people say that, like, oh, my God, what an Aries. Am I right? Like, with me, people are like, oh, you're a Virgo. Shocker, Ronnie. Yeah, of course you're a Virgo. Anal and judgmental and, you know, so I can. I'm used to that. People just being, oh, you're such a Virgo. But, yeah, you're right. You never really do hear it about Aries people.

[Jen]

No one, no one does, like, a shtick about Aries. People do About Virgo. They even do it about Geminis, LEOs, maybe SAG. I don't know if people do it about Sagittarius. People do it about maybe Libras.

[Heather]

Well, maybe people try to say things about Aries. And Aries people are just like, please be quiet. I'm trying to concentrate. So nothing really ever gains traction, you know?

[Jen]

I don't even know what Aries is. Sorry. There'd be so many Aries people that'll be like, how dare you? Please do not erase us. Do not erase us.

[Heather]

This is Aries erasure. How dare you? So Shannon's like, I've got a job to do.

[Emily]

I'm trying to get breakfast on the table. Oh, yay, Aries. Aries face. You know what?

[Heather]

Tamara's making an effort, but it's really like a guy trying to hit on a girl, and she's just not interested. Oh, my God.

[Emily]

Shannon, just stop. Stop, Shannon.

[Heather]

I mean, stop, Tamra. It's embarrassing.

[Terry]

Hey, guys. What do you guys think the girls are doing at the sleepover?

[Gina]

And Gina's like, I'm probably getting out of their silk pajamas.

[Jen]

And Jen goes, yeah, somebody else is definitely cooking. And Gina's like, yeah, I don't know how long.

[Gina]

And Emily's gonna endure fancy pants before she blows.

[Jen]

And then we cut to the sleepover morning. They're waking up, and there's not just a private chef. There's, like, a private chef and a sous chef in the kitchen. Eggs. And they have little menus. This is, like, the most unfun sleepover in the history of sleepovers. I'm sorry. Like, this is like. I understand that. It's, like luxury. And, like, if, again, if this were the orphan movie, like, this is what you. This is what you expect in the orphan movie, which is, like, a kid wakes up, and there's a private chef and a butler who's very, like, dismissive but warm and also gonna guide them along. And like, all these like, oh, master Johnson, wake up. And it's like, but this is, like, in real life. This is just patently ridiculous.

[Heather]

Yeah, there's like, I'm not even, like, person to stick to Put a stick up your butt. You know?

[Emily]

It's like, really like, hello, welcome to high tea.

[Heather]

It's a egg, Heather. Okay, we get it. You're rich. You're rich, Heather. Okay.

[Jen]

Yeah. And this is not even me being like, oh, my God, she's so rich. How obnoxious. It's more just like, I just don't think the. The vibe, the spirit of a sleepover is that you then bring in a chef and have menus in the morning. I think it's that you're gonna make some shitty eggs, you know, and you. It's like, I feel like growing up, it's like, yeah, or like mom would come in and make some eggs or something like that. Or like you like, hunt around, but like having a. Like a. A fruit spread and little pastries. Heather, you just need to do a better sleepover. Needs to be better. Sorry.

[Heather]

Yeah. So Gretchen's like, hey, this looks so good.

[Emily]

Is there any place to get a Starbucks around here?

[Heather]

And that's just like, we have coffee service that will be happening for brunch.

[Tamara]

Unfortunately, I do not have my own currency. You were saying?

[Jen]

Starbucks. No, I don't have my own dollars.

[Gretchen]

Starbucks.

[Emily]

Yeah, tie me over. Tie me over with something.

[Heather]

Oh, my God, these people.

[Emily]

So she's like, I'm feeling a little hungover. Not gonna lie. Hope I don't get in trouble. Gosh, I do not let loose at this age. Although I have been to the Goat.

[Heather]

Hill Tavern and we see a flashback to Emily being like, yeah, we're like real Midwest. We drink at Tavern.

[Slade]

Oh, oh, I've got a piece of.

[Heather]

Pizza in my purse.

[Jen]

Gretchen patting herself on the back for going to the Abbey and like a die Bar at 6pm at night in both cases is like the most hilarious thing in the world. Like, you are not letting loose, ma'.

[Gina]

Am.

[Jen]

I. I hate to break it to you. And also the way she, like when she mentioned the Abbey and she like ran her tongue like through her lip, she did like this look. I was like. I was like, am I watching V all of a sudden? This was too much lizard tongue thing.

[Heather]

That she did commercials.

[Terry]

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[Heather]

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[Jen]

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[Heather]

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[Jen]

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[Heather]

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[Jen]

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[Heather]

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[Heather]

Back in Temecula, Shannon's like, oh, God.

[Emily]

I just need to concentrate. Could you please beat these egg whites until they're stiff?

[Gina]

Please?

[Emily]

Okay, okay. I'm just worried you're gonna have a heart attack and die. Shannon. I mean, come on, calm down, okay? It's a little too fluffy. So fluffy that you're gonna die. Are you gonna. Are you talking? Shannon might be dying.

[Heather]

You guys.

[Emily]

I'm so worried about Shannon.

[Gina]

You over. You over whipped the egg whites. You. You. You did it.

[Emily]

You ruined it.

[Terry]

You ruined it. And now he's gonna leave you talking about nothing.

[Gina]

Nothing. I'm fine. I'm fine. I love being alone. And I definitely do not talk to my egg whites in the morning. I don't do that. Okay, let's put these. Let's. Let's get these egg whites going.

[Terry]

All right?

[Gina]

So, everyone, I hope you're all excited for a delicious breakfast of sweet cauliflower rice, hash browns, and egg whites. Okay, is everyone ready for this?

[Terry]

Fun times in Temecula.

[Emily]

Wow, you really whipped those. You really whipped this stiff, Gina. She goes, yeah, I have that habit. Travis is an easy target, though.

[Gina]

What?

[Emily]

What do you mean Travis is an easy target?

[Gretchen]

He's.

[Emily]

He's stiff. He's always stiff. Yeah, because, like, everything I do makes him really stuff. Yeah. And it's, like, fun, you know, because.

[Heather]

Me and Travis Please do not make me think of the tiny baby thumb sticking out of that fupa. I did not come here for this.

[Jen]

No, I did. I. I don't. I don't want it.

[Heather]

No, I don't not want.

[Jen]

I don't know why.

[Heather]

Krabis. In my head.

[Gina]

I don't know if I want.

[Jen]

I. I don't know why Gina insists on giving us details about Travis. It's just that, like, the details themselves are boring. You know? It's just.

[Gina]

I don't need it. So Jen's like, we'll have a question. Do you think you and Travis will ever get married? It's like, well, you know, probably, maybe, I don't know, like, waiting for Bravo to give us, like, our own special, you know? And, like, it's gonna be called I feel bad that I'm not married yet. But, like, unfortunately, like, the offer hasn't really come through yet, so it's just, like, a lot of instability. Because if it's circum chances, you know.

[Gretchen]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Like, the fact that he's not divorced, maybe, like, hello, Is he. Aren't they still not divorced? Like, why are they talking?

[Emily]

I just, like, have to be ready to be in the right place.

[Gretchen]

Yeah.

[Heather]

And he's still married. Hello.

[Terry]

Yeah. Well, it's like Shannon stacking shots on.

[Emily]

On for lunch.

[Terry]

You have a lot in your plate, you know.

[Emily]

Shannon, you know, you've got a lot on your. On your glass. We've got a lot on the plate, but Shannon's got a lot on her liver, so it's a lot. Okay.

[Gina]

We just, like, wait to see what's gonna happen next. And, like, you know, like, I'm just, like, not focused on things like a wedding because it's, like, it always seems so unattainable because, like, I know that's a priority, and, like, that's always.

[Jen]

I hate to break it to Gina and to Bravo, but literally no one cares if these two get married. Like, this is not. This is not top of mind. This is not a concern. There's no curiosity around it. There's no myst3. No one's wondering, like, when. Like, when are Luke and Laura gonna tie the knot? Like, this is.

[Gina]

This is.

[Jen]

You don't need to spend your time on this. Thank you very much.

[Heather]

Yeah, so she's saying that. That he has a court date, and he's trying to get full custody of the kids, and he's exhausted, and I.

[Emily]

Feel bad, and that takes a lot out of you, you know?

[Heather]

So then she says, goes on for five minutes.

[Jen]

It goes on for five minutes of her talk.

[Heather]

Literally.

[Jen]

Situation.

[Heather]

Do not give Gina lines. Like, why, G. I'm. I feel myself deflating, reading. Even reading the lines back. I'm like, oh, God, please make it stop.

[Emily]

Yeah, he's been through so much trauma. Yeah. Like, I've never seen anything like it in my life. You know, he's like. He's so into his children. It's, like, really hurting my feeling.

[Heather]

Please fast forward. Okay, let's go back to Beverly Hills. So the chef is like, ladies, and I use that term loosely. We've got brunch for you. All the pastries are warmed. Many. Okay, okay. They're already going into your purse. That's sort of my thing.

[Jen]

So he takes orders, and Emily's like.

[Slade]

Can I have a couple eggs over?

[Jen]

And the guy's like, you can do that, right? He's like, well, you want. You want it, like, really cooked like that?

[Slade]

You think I'm crazy?

[Jen]

He's like, well, I. I would never serve that. But, you know.

[Heather]

He just goes, I would never serve that.

[Emily]

Yeah, I would never serve that to anybody in my entire career. He's saying, yo, make them however you want, okay?

[Heather]

Just make them. Just make them travelable in a purse.

[Tamara]

Ladies, ladies, we have a chef here. Get your eggs the way you want them, okay? He's just so happy.

[Jen]

He can see daylight because he goes back into his cell after this.

[Emily]

Can you do poached eggs?

[Heather]

It's like, oh, my God. You guys are just being a pain in the ass. To be a pain in the ass.

[Jen]

Well, I think this was a fair request because it's breakfast. It's. It's fancy breakfast. And if you're doing fancy breakfast, you have to imagine there's gonna be a poached egg request. And then the chef seems shocked. He's like, I can't. I'm like, sir, you're okay.

[Slade]

You.

[Jen]

Eggs over.

[Gina]

Over hard.

[Jen]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's a surprise. But the poached egg, I think he should have anticipated that a little bit. In fact, I think he should have had some already made.

[Heather]

I think he's just grossed out by them. He's like, you're poor. You're all poor. Like, can I just put some powdered eggs and whisk them through to you, please? Like, you people have no taste. You have no taste.

[Jen]

But also, you have to imagine they're each having one egg, right? Like. Like, one egg over.

[Gina]

Over hard.

[Jen]

One egg poached, probably maybe two. Heather's gonna have an Omelette. They hired a whole ass private chef to cook basically four eggs.

[Heather]

Yeah. Put store bought croissants.

[Gretchen]

Yeah, I like it well done.

[Heather]

He's like, oh, well done. Okay, yes, you've got it.

[Emily]

Okay.

[Heather]

Because that's not a crazy request. Over hard is, but well done eggs, not crazy at all.

[Gretchen]

Okay, so she's like, hello, Terry's here, everybody. It's my. It's the partner that I have lots of sexy time. In our secret sexy time penthouse, the incredibly sexy hunk, Terry Dubrow. Hello, Terry.

[Tamara]

Terry.

[Jen]

And he's like, hey, everyone. I've never slept so much in my life. He's, he's coming in like he's hosting the match game. He's like, all right. We asked 100 people. He said, my, my wife has such fancy sleepovers.

[Tamara]

How fancy are they?

[Jen]

She says that when you go to, you go to sleep a lady and you wake up as a blank. Fill it all in. All right, everyone, you're at Terry Dubrow's match game.

[Gretchen]

This is why he's on television. All right, Heather. Sit down. Terry, sit down and be wacky. You know, everyone, Terry would love a sleep divorce.

[Emily]

Wait, what does that mean?

[Heather]

It means you sleep in another room.

[Emily]

She's like, oh, yeah, that's what's happening right now for Slade and I. He just snores so much, I make him sleep on the couch.

[Slade]

Do you guys ever think about getting married? Sorry, did you ask me that? They asked her that, so I want to ask you that.

[Terry]

She goes, you know, it's just like, I've never had an issue with like wanting to get married. So, like, yeah, I would love to.

[Tamara]

Well, I remember years ago. I mean, this was so long ago. I think this is when you were claiming that a casting producer wanted you.

[Jen]

To be in Malibu country, which of course the goal went to me eventually. But it was a hilarious thing that.

[Tamara]

You tried to attempt to be an.

[Jen]

Actress like I do.

[Tamara]

I mean, last time I checked, your IMDb did not have a pilot for CBS that was based around you. Anyway, I remember years ago when we first talked about it, you were worried about financially getting.

[Gretchen]

Were we talking about it in my trailer? I don't think that you ever got.

[Heather]

To come into that.

[Gretchen]

Were we talking about that while I was having coffee with Reba McIntyre?

[Emily]

No.

[Gretchen]

Yeah.

[Emily]

God, where was.

[Gretchen]

Is that, was it craft services?

[Tamara]

Oh, maybe I'm confusing with when I was on Hot in Cleveland and I was talking with Betty White and she.

[Jen]

Said that, that if, if times were.

[Tamara]

Different, she would have liked me to have played Dorothy on Golden Girls. I don't.

[Jen]

It's.

[Tamara]

It's hard to remember.

[Gretchen]

It's hard now. I don't remember if you were there, but I do remember Betty White suggesting I get you spayed.

[Heather]

So was it then or.

[Tamara]

Oh, so that's where it all happened. She said, you need to get spayed, but you heard, I need to get slayed.

[Jen]

And then here we are.

[Heather]

So she's like, yeah, so you were worried about finances? And she goes, oh, yes. And Gretchen is very uncomfortable with this whole line of questioning, by the way. Like, her face automatically falls, and she's very suspicious because she did this for a long time, and she knows she's about to get pummeled. You know, so first they get you over for girls Night, and then they're gonna pummel you in the morning.

[Emily]

Morning.

[Heather]

So she's like, yeah. And we see a flashback of 2012.

[Emily]

When she's saying, because Slade is trying to get caught up on some of the back dip and trying to get things resolved in court, I don't think that we should get married.

[Heather]

Oh, really? What was he trying to resolve Indoor in court? What. What back debt was that? Gretchen, was it? Child support.

[Tamara]

Goes well, so now that you feel like that's all handled, you're on the road to being wealthy someday, so maybe you should get married.

[Terry]

And she's like, well, it's not that it's even that it's all handled. I just feel like I've been with him for, like, 16 years, and I know who he is, and I just feel more confident, you know?

[Jen]

And she basically says that, like, you know, like, we're basically husband and wife. I mean, we actually did a ceremony with an ordained pastor, but it's just like, you know, paper doesn't make us married or not in God's eyes. In our eyes, we're married. I mean, who even needs laws at this point about who can marry who? Right? Which is why we should maybe take some of them away. So anyway, the point is, they're totally married.

[Heather]

Yeah. So you have everything financially separate?

[Gretchen]

Yeah. Are your bank accounts together? I mean, listen, two tinies don't make a large. But still.

[Emily]

And Gretchen's like, no, we never done that. I have my own money, and my home's in my name, and I've always been very strict about it. I never wanted a man to control me financially.

[Heather]

Okay, but you should have a man with some finance, right? I mean, it's your house, so you make the mortgage payment, or does he, like, pay Rent now. Oh, okay. Well, does he contribute?

[Slade]

He lives there too, right?

[Tamara]

How do you decide who pays for stuff? For instance, when the maid is done cleaning for the morning, who is the one who pays her the $15 for it? I'm just curious.

[Emily]

Well, I mean, it comes out of my account.

[Gretchen]

Oh, does he pay for anything?

[Emily]

This is kind of weird questioning you guys.

[Heather]

Okay, so basically she's like, really cagey about this. So is what's going on here. And this really is a question because I don't know that Slade owed so much money in back child. You know, the reports or whatever we looked up from People magazine last week or the week before said something like 150 something grand that he owed and back child support, right? Something like that. So is he. Are they not getting married so that she's not liable? Like, they can't come after her for that debt as his partner?

[Jen]

Maybe.

[Heather]

Maybe she's been so cagey. Oh, it's just also, I don't know.

[Jen]

I mean, like, it's like if this were real life, these are definitely like awkward questions to be asking a friend. Like, like, I would never ask, ask like, who pays for what in, like in a relationship. But since it's real, it's. But it's reality tv, so of course we're gonna ask these nosy ass questions. So I understand on one level why you're just like a little cagey to like be talking about what like your husband pays for or doesn't pay for, especially on tv. But the truth is, there's a lot I don't know why she just doesn't say, like, yeah, I mean, like, you know, I pay for some things, he pays for other things. It's like, not really. There's, it's really not that deep, you know, but like the fact that she's like, no.

[Gina]

Huh? What?

[Terry]

Weird.

[Jen]

And that's where it's like, what is going on here? And Heather is like, well, Gretchen and.

[Tamara]

Slade's financial situation is really none of my business, but it just never has.

[Jen]

Made sense to me.

[Tamara]

That's why when Gretchen proposed to Slade, we all thought it was bullshit. I guess it's just weird, you know, when you see two poor people trying to figure out finances, you think, what's even the point? Am I right? If you don't both have $45 million to your name, it's. Is it really even interesting at that point?

[Gretchen]

So why are they not legally wed? And why does she pay for everything and refuse to put anything in his name?

[Emily]

I don't know.

[Gretchen]

So she's like, it's just fascinating to us because you're so poor, you know, we'd just like to see how that stuff.

[Heather]

And Terry's just like, oh, my God. I mean, look, we're just. We're one person. We have everything in the same pot over here. Right, Heav?

[Tamara]

Gretchen, if you were to, say, buy.

[Jen]

A box of Cheerios, do you each.

[Tamara]

Pay for individual Cheerios, or do you buy the box in total? I just want to know how it works.

[Heather]

Yeah, like, as soon as I married Shane, we had a joint checking. Like, everything was joint. I didn't sign a prenup.

[Emily]

Yeah, we never had that. We never had that.

[Heather]

Well, that's strange. I mean, what's the arrangement? Does he work? If he works, what is he paying? I mean, he's got a crooked penis. He has to have it worked on. Like, what is he contributing?

[Terry]

So Gretchen's like, I need a nap after that coffee.

[Jen]

So Heather's like, by the way, have.

[Tamara]

You ever had a chair massage before?

[Terry]

No.

[Tamara]

Oh, I thought you had, because you.

[Jen]

Probably couldn't pay for the actual humans to do it for you.

[Tamara]

Anyway, just curious.

[Gretchen]

Okay, sit in this chair. Oh, sorry. There's still some human hair on here. Can we turn the electric function off? Alfredo has already been removed. Smaller space here. So we've got to double up the electric chair and the massage chair. Don't worry, you'll be safe. Probably.

[Jen]

So then they're laughing about, like, last night, and, like, oh, my God, that was so funny.

[Terry]

Like, you guys got me in trouble last night.

[Slade]

You got yourself in trouble, Gretchers.

[Tamara]

What didn't you do except have a great time amongst girlfriends who are youthful and relatable?

[Emily]

Well, somebody asked something about a pop song. She goes, that was you?

[Heather]

Emily's like, yeah. And then you were like, she had an affair with a guy from neighborhood. Nelson.

[Jen]

Gretchen fully entered all of this into evidence herself.

[Terry]

She goes, you guys, stop it. I don't know anything about that. What's even. Nelson? It doesn't make any sense.

[Heather]

You told us.

[Terry]

No, Slade said something about it. I didn't say anything. I said nothing. Deny, deny, deny.

[Heather]

And Heather goes, slade is your henchman.

[Gretchen]

We get it.

[Heather]

I like that they just call her out. They have no problem just calling her out left and right.

[Jen]

But also, they. They also don't seem to have a problem with her blatant lies. They're her fit. Like, Gretchen is clearly changing her story. She's lying. And last time I checked, Emily went full nuclear on Katie for Lying. And then here's Gretchen doing it.

[Slade]

It's like, oh, classic greeters.

[Heather]

Yeah. When they just kick somebody off based on lies that Gretchen was telling and accuse that person of lying, they don't see anything crazy about. Not any of this. So then Emily's like, you've completely taken this situation, and you're making ghosts of the villains.

[Emily]

I was like, well, we were having fun. It went further than I intended, but I don't want to be. I don't. I hope they. They aren't. And go running back to Tamra. It's gonna cause conflict.

[Heather]

Oh, Gretchen, you know that they're gonna do that. That's why you brought it up in the first place. Come on.

[Jen]

You can't be stupid and smart. You came onto the show. You were extremely savvy. You went right for Tamra, and you were like. You had your. You had all your ducks in a row. Like, Gretchen was like. She came in, she was ready, and she was playing the game. And now she's gonna act like, oops, oh, my God. I said this thing. You guys can't bring it back to Tamara. And now it's gonna be like, it wasn't my fault.

[Gina]

You know, they coaxed it out of me.

[Jen]

You know, she's gonna play this whole game, and it's all, yeah, they're being bad friends.

[Heather]

By trying to hurt a friendship, she's gonna pull that. You were giving information about Tamara willingly.

[Emily]

Yeah, and I shouldn't have. I regret it.

[Slade]

But you.

[Heather]

You said Tamara's a horrible person because she accused you of having an affair, and you had to spend all this money that you didn't, but you just accused her of having an affair. So how is that different?

[Emily]

She goes, well, I mean, it was on the Internet. Isn't that what she said? I'm saying the same thing. It was on the Internet. So is it not true if it's not on the Internet? I mean, it's the same thing she did to me.

[Heather]

When was this on the Internet? Yeah, you said this was you. You said it. Don't try and make it sound like you just found this on the Internet. Come on.

[Slade]

So you and Tim are the same?

[Terry]

No, we're far from the same. It may look like we're the same person because I just give Samra the same energy that she gives me.

[Jen]

And Emily is like, no, they're the same.

[Slade]

Except that Gretchen uses more filters. Other than that, I can't tell them apart.

[Gretchen]

Well, that was a rough sleepover. Girls, please leave. Get the fuck out of My house.

[Heather]

This is fine. Well, but I can only be here, so.

[Tamara]

11 11:43am which means that our fun.

[Jen]

Times have officially ended. So you will.

[Tamara]

One of the Alfredos will see you out.

[Jen]

And I'm going to go back into my lair.

[Tamara]

Thank you.

[Gretchen]

If you're still here when the fumigator.

[Heather]

Comes, it kind of destroys the point of having the fumigator.

[Gretchen]

Please go. Take all of your rags with you.

[Heather]

Thank you.

[Tamara]

And I'll be taking back those personalized pajamas and returning them. Thank you.

[Emily]

It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappin's commercial.

[Heather]

Why are there ridges on Reese's peanut butter cups? Probably so they never slip from her hands. Could you imagine? I'd lose it. Luckily, Reese has thought about that. Wonder what else they do think about. Probably chocolate and peanut butter. Back in the other place. Yeah, they eat Shannon's brunch, and it looks good, Shockingly. And they start talking about Archie and kids and Shannon's like, well, when I.

[Emily]

Leave, I always feel so guilty that I say, archie, I'm sorry. I'll make it up to you.

[Heather]

And I talk to him because there's.

[Emily]

No one else to talk to. I mean, Sudoku doesn't answer back either. That. That doesn't really stop me. I just say, Archie, I'm 26, and don't you tell anybody different on the inside.

[Gina]

It's kind of funny because I always feel guilty when I leave him and I say, I'll make it up to you, Archie. And yet he never says to me that he'll make it up to me. After I was framed for crashing into a house, when I was just walking him because he insisted so much, he was like, woof.

[Terry]

Walk me at 1am and I said, fine, Archie.

[Gina]

And has he made it up to me?

[Jen]

No.

[Gina]

But that's okay, because is I give everything. I try to make these relationships work.

[Heather]

Yeah. So then Jen is like, what?

[Emily]

That worries me for you. You're home alone with Archie. I mean, last night, you were saying, I think about you, I have concern.

[Heather]

And, I mean, you were talking about.

[Emily]

It in the hot tub, Gina. So what do you think? She's like, I'm concerned. Oh, my God. You're really only worthy if you have a man in your life waiting for you at home. Yeah. I just don't understand these people. Without men, what do you do? Without a penis in your life, how do you live? Is she gonna kill herself? Should we be? Or should we. Should we put her in a hospital? What's Happening to Shannon. People can't be single.

[Heather]

You people are so ridiculous. Shut up. She's going to survive this. The best thing for Shannon is to be single. Have you seen the men she picks? And what are you guys acting like? You've got fucking Ryan at home and the other one's got Travis's FUPA at home and his 19,000 children. So, you know, sometimes being single is a better choice.

[Gina]

You still got a therapy, Shannon? She's like, yes, I do. Multiple times a week. Oh, well, yeah. I mean, no, no, I. You know, yesterday. What? I have a question. What takes you from I'm obsessed, upset and pissed to like, total derailment?

[Jen]

I was like, geez, maybe it's Tamara constantly accusing her of being an alcoholic and trying to paint her as this awful person on TV time and time again, and then just deciding that she wants to be a good person all of a sudden.

[Heather]

And Gina's also doing the same thing. I mean, Gina's acting so innocently.

[Emily]

Oh my God, I just care about you, Shannon.

[Heather]

But she's totally concern trolling. I mean, how many times on this trip already has she been like, shannon.

[Emily]

I'm so worried about you, you know, your health. Like, you could die. Like me. I'm really worried about you, Shannon.

[Heather]

Come on. They're all doing this, and then they're wondering why she's like, slowly coming undone. Because you're undoing her.

[Gina]

Yeah, well, I mean, we do talk about catastrophizing in my therapy. So, for instance, a good example would be like, for instance, yesterday I was looking for a can of tuna fish to have for lunch, and I couldn't find it. So I instead had three pints of ice cream, and I thought, this is a catastrophe. So, you know, that's something that we discuss.

[Heather]

Yes, well, I'm not really sure what.

[Emily]

That word means, but, you know, single people do like cats. So if that's. If that's what you're into, then you should totally do it. Well, I grew up, like, what? You know, you talk about like you don't know what's going to happen every day. That's how I grew up. That's how I grew up. You know, I grew up in a bit of chaos, and it was tumultuous. And my mom told us she was going to divorce my dad. And I was in college and I came home for the weekend, and the process server didn't get to my dad by 5pm on a Friday, which is.

[Heather]

The last time I'll hire a Marilyn Monroe impersonator.

[Emily]

To serve papers to my father.

[Terry]

Especially.

[Gina]

One that works with government hours. So he came home, and we had a barbecue, and we played tennis as a family. And I just felt so bad for my dad, because we all do, and we had to make it for my dad.

[Terry]

My poor, sweet father. Yeah, but did you also say he had a drinking problem when you were growing up?

[Gina]

You know what, Tamara?

[Terry]

Tamara, I just.

[Gina]

I get that you're trying to be helpful, but my dad is fucking 96 years old, and he's a different man. And there's just a certain level, like, I don't want to hurt my father. Do you understand why?

[Jen]

Because Shannon is like, why the fuck are you bringing up this, like, sacred detail? I told you on camera right now, you're just gonna, like, let everyone know that he has a drinking problem, which, of course, you know, like, I totally get it. Although, wasn't he, like, throwing back some martinis at the Marilyn Monroe lunch too? Although that's not really a problem. But, like, it's just Tamara was being totally shitty in that moment. I love that Shannon just called her out right there. That was hilarious.

[Heather]

And Tamara's like, well, I'm sorry.

[Emily]

I'm just not trying to hurt your father, you know? And if it makes you feel any better, drunk people don't feel as much.

[Heather]

Look, she pinches her under the arm.

[Emily]

See? I didn't even feel it, Tamara. I just. I, I, I, I. You say things like that. He's not even like that anymore. How could you do that to my father?

[Gina]

Yeah. How dare you? Never in my wildest dreams that I think that the private conversation with Tamara Judge would ever be brought up on camera. How dare she?

[Jen]

I mean, we. We will still. I remember the first season that Shannon was on, and Tamra just was evil to Shannon. So, so evil. And then Shannon, the next year, became friends with Tamra, and we're like, what are you doing? This lady was terrible to you. Be careful of this lady. And she just kept on going in, and now, all these years later, she's.

[Gina]

Like, well, I cannot believe it. I cannot believe that Tamara would use a personal detail against me on camera.

[Terry]

Inconceivable.

[Emily]

Yeah, I'm just trying to help you, Shannon. She goes, but that's not helping. That's not helping me. That's not helping me. Okay, well, saying that she did have some struggles growing up. I mean, that's all I was saying with an alcoholic father, it's probably why you're drunk too, because it comes from a long line of alcoholics. So why are you even arguing about it? Even Gina said you'd be dead in your house without you eating off your face one day, drunk as a skunk, dead sled. That's what Gina said. You know, your dad even called you. Knock off. Your dad called me drunk one time and said, she's not calling. I'm just trying to help you, Shannon.

[Gina]

You know what? I don't think that she said that to actually try to hurt you, Shannon, Okay? Because I feel like Tamara's gently trying to connect with Shannon and help Shannon speak about something that she knows is difficult for her to speak about, because that's what Tamara does. She tries to help people all the time.

[Emily]

Tamara's a good person. And, you know, Shannon could die at any moment. So, like, it's important that they have these dogs.

[Heather]

So Tamara's like, did you talk about.

[Emily]

This seven therapy that you go to?

[Gina]

Yeah, because sometimes this stuff is buried, and so when it comes out, it's just like this whole bit.

[Terry]

It's like, I. Tamara, I know what therapy is, okay?

[Gina]

I went to a trauma facility where I was in therapy for eight hours a day.

[Terry]

Eight hours for 30 days. Do you know what eight times 30 is now? Neither do I. So I'm well aware.

[Emily]

Therapies. I start therapies.

[Gretchen]

Tamara.

[Gina]

Oh, my God.

[Terry]

Sorry.

[Gina]

Jesus Christ. Anything I say, anything, you just jumped on my stomach.

[Emily]

I'm not your enemy, okay?

[Terry]

I'm not your enemy. I'm just a hot who wants to ask questions about your alcoholic dad.

[Heather]

So immediately she goes inside and she goes, my life.

[Emily]

I'm not even gonna drive that anymore. Drunk, stupid. Why don't you have another glass of.

[Jen]

Champagne, Drunky Channel's like, well, for her.

[Gina]

To explain to me how therapy works.

[Terry]

I'm the one who invented therapy in the first place.

[Heather]

Pretty funny, Tamara trying to explain therapy to Shannon. No one has been to more therapy than Shannon. Like, Shannon lives for that. Okay, Tamara, you've been in therapy five minutes. You don't get to tell people what therapy's like.

[Gina]

Well, I have to say, I disagree with Eugenia. I disagree. Yeah. I think the statement about her dad, that's, like, not nice. I think that she's right. I think Shannon's right. She was like, what are we gonna do with that? What are we gonna do with this? Now she's like, I don't know. Let me go see what's going on with that monster inside.

[Jen]

So basically, Jen susses out that she's like, tamara is smart enough to know that she's not gonna call Shannon an alcoholic anymore. But what she's gonna do is she's gonna say, oh, Shannon, your father was an alcoholic, right? And then create a connection to make a little us. Be like, so there it is. So you're an alcoholic because it runs in the family.

[Heather]

Yes, basically. And she's right. And Tamara's still going, I have another glass.

[Emily]

Champagne. Shannon. I mean, is it me or anything? I said, I was like, I know. I got through it. It's like, okay, but the dad comment, you weren't making a dig? No. Jesus. She's just worried it's gonna make her look like she has a drinking problem because her dad did. You know, I don't think she cares about the dad at all. She only cares about her reputation, which I was trying to ruin by insinuating her dad's drunk. So she's drunk too. I mean, what. What is confusing here, Jen?

[Gina]

I don't know. It's just. It's so confusing. Everything. I mean, but these are all necessary steps. Tamara, you've ex.

[Tamara]

You're.

[Gina]

You're extending an olive branch, so that's what you're doing.

[Terry]

And Tamra's like, yeah, well, how long do you just expect me to keep on doing it? You can only extend so many branches before the tree falls over, right?

[Gina]

So Gina's like, I think it's, like, really good that you speak up for yourself in the moment. She an in. Like, that offended you, and it's good that you told her it offended you.

[Jen]

Last time I checked, that's what Shannon always does. I mean, like, how much footage do we have of someone saying something to Shannon and her having a total meltdown and storming out? This is like.

[Heather]

I mean, this weird therapy. Gina is so annoying.

[Emily]

She's like, oh, my God. Like, I think everybody's, like, working on it. Shut up, Gina.

[Heather]

First of all, now, that said, Shannon is making this whole thing miserable. She has made this whole trip miserable. Like, they're at least trying to have fun. And Shannon is, like, the misery queen queen, you know? So I know it's probably not easy for, like, Gina and Jen especially to be stuck with her, but this isn't helping.

[Emily]

Like, yeah, like, you guys need to learn boundaries and, like, therapy and, like, possibly not die of kidney disease because I think you're dying, Shannon. Jen, does Shannon look yellow? I think she's yellow. Hey, does anyone have a mirror? Can we put it under Shannon's nose to see if she's still breathing? She's like, I am breathing. I hear you. I don't hear Shannon. I think Shannon died. Shannon, did you pass over? I am right here. I don't see her. Did she disappear with Shannon? Oh, my God. Was she taking to heaven?

[Gina]

I am alive and well because I just ate some cauliflower.

[Terry]

Some sweet, sweet, sugary cauliflower hash browns.

[Jen]

So now they're all in the kitchen, and Gina's just saying, you know, you guys are just navigating. You guys are finding out your new normal.

[Gina]

And Tamara's like, you know, I really was hoping for the best. I had all good intentions, but no.

[Terry]

Matter what I do, no matter how many shitty things I say, Shannon's just.

[Gina]

Gonna find fault with me. And I don't think there's anything left for me to do.

[Terry]

Oh, apparently you can't call someone's dad an alcoholic anymore.

[Jen]

So.

[Gina]

Jen is like, shannon, if it makes you feel any better, she did say the comment about your dad was not a dig. And I asked and I said, I. I said it felt like it was a dig, and she said it wasn't.

[Jen]

So then Shannon, like, sprawls out her arm. She does this move like she's like trying to guard a football player.

[Terry]

Of course that's what she did.

[Emily]

It doesn't matter.

[Terry]

It doesn't matter.

[Tamara]

It's like, shannon, are you trying to.

[Gina]

Flag down a plane?

[Terry]

Yes, I am. It's a plane called I don't give a anymore about Tamara Judge.

[Emily]

Oh, my God.

[Heather]

She's moving her arms around like someone.

[Emily]

With a deadly disease. She's possibly dying right now. I just can't, Shannon. I just can't.

[Heather]

So Shannon's like, well, I'm not a dummy.

[Emily]

And she's got an excuse and explanation for everything. And I don't believe it anymore. The 26 year old inside of me doesn't believe it. The 28 year old certainly doesn't believe it. And I don't believe it.

[Gina]

I mean, these women are literally 61 and 57 years old and 26 as.

[Terry]

Well on the inside.

[Gina]

And they're acting like they're in goddamn middle school. It should be studied.

[Jen]

And that's the end. That's the end of the episode. A big, rowdy, ridiculous episode. So I guess we'll see what happens next. But obviously the. The talk about the. The singing, Tamara singing and banging potentially Nelson comes to a head next week at some sort of dinner party. But until then, thanks everyone for being here. We'll be back on Monday with a Real Housewives of Miami recap app and hope you all have a great weekend and we will catch you on the next one. Bye. Watch what crap. INS would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Allison King it's always a party on Allison Block Our.

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