#3006 RHOM S7E16: The Icing on the Cake

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Episode #3006: "RHOM S7E16: The Icing on the Cake"
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: September 22, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Ben and Ronnie dive into the penultimate episode of The Real Housewives of Miami Season 7, "The Icing on the Cake." The hosts revel in the show's blend of art world pretensions, interpersonal drama, and an escalating conflict that blurs the lines between wounded sensitivities and accusations of prejudice. They dissect the infamous "math cake" fiasco, unravel Art Basel absurdities, and scrutinize the fallout between housewives Adriana and Kiki—including a cringeworthy "not racist" defense. Alongside, there are plenty of classic Crappens-style tangents, meta-commentary, and Bravo shade.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Vibes & Meta-Housewives Talk

• The hosts kick things off with excitement for Crappy Hour and updates on their Patreon, inviting listeners into the RHoM discussion (03:27).
• Ben jokes about being happy that no one's mathematically calculated his age on a cake—signposting the episode’s recurring theme.

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2. Art Basel Antics & RHoM’s Miami Glitz

[07:51–18:26]

• The episode recaps how the city buzzes for Art Basel ("Never more goats in Miami than during Art Basel" – Ben, 09:28).
• Larsa’s house move is depicted as chaotic, modern, and hyper-Miami, with snarky commentary about her sensibility shift from "faux Tuscan" to sterile "European cold."
• Larsa’s acquisition of a giant "Whisby" gummy bear sculpture draws mockery for being both try-hard and redundant:

  "He’s super into gummy bears. I guess I would suggest...maybe like a gummy worm. Why are we not seeing gummy worms by pools?" (Ronnie, 15:24)

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3. Family Dynamics & Emotional Lag

[23:22–29:05]

• Larsa and Alexia discuss empty nesting and relationship limbo. Alexia’s "three-month extension" with Todd is under scrutiny:

  "I've given him a lot of power because, like, I wanted peace..." (Alexia via Ben, 25:03)

• Julia’s scenes focus on her wistfulness over absent daughters for Christmas and relationships with her newly adopted sons, as well as her ongoing guilt and tension with her daughters. Martina weighs in with comic cynicism.

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4. Lisa and Jody’s 'Deep' Conversation

[32:28–36:12]

• The hosts skewer Lisa’s overt wish for a proposal from Jody and the emotional labor required to keep him present ("I just want you to marry me right now or I'm out of here. Do you understand me?", Ronnie as Lisa, 33:30).
• They note the show's shady edit paralleling Lisa’s dynamic with Jody against her former marriage to Lenny.
• Jody’s "marital terms" are gently mocked as surprisingly reasonable for Bravo:

  "If you go to therapist or just start talking to someone...like, yeah, I'll give you a ring right away." (Ben, 35:25)

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5. The Great Math Cake Conspiracy

[38:21–53:53]

• The episode’s centerpiece: Adriana’s birthday math cake (with a convoluted equation hinting at her age). Larsa gins up drama over its "offensive" calculation.
• Ben and Ronnie dissect the not-so-mysterious origins of the cake (Kiki’s failed attempt at a clever calculation), mocking both the Housewives’ faux outrage and the general detour into cake-based arithmetic.

  "Larsa is trying to turn this into like the biggest, most offensive thing that could have happened." (Ben, 45:08)

• Kiki quickly admits to creating the cake when pressed, robbing Larsa (and the show) of a prolonged whodunit.

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6. Art Show Meltdowns & Adriana’s Cringe Defense

[53:53–end]

• At Adriana’s Art Basel event, tension finally erupts. Larsa, eager for drama, stirs Adriana about Kiki’s age-based joke. The fight unspools as Adriana escalates, wrongly claiming Kiki called her "racist."
• Adriana's attempt to parade her Black friend Carol as a "not-racist" voucher is steeped in discomfort:

  "Anytime somebody is called racist...and immediately goes 'I have a Black friend,' oh my god, it’s just so cringy." (Ronnie, 74:41)

• The hosts pinpoint a key problem: Adriana's internalization of "cancel culture" anxiety, leading her to misconstrue criticism as a full-scale attack.

  "Adriana is living in fear of, quote unquote, cancel culture...and now she's like, it's the last straw." (Ben, 77:53)

• Kiki's exit—a mix of genuine frustration and classic Miami Housewives flair—is played for laughs as she requests a getaway from an Amazon truck (78:31).
• Julia is called out for abandoning Adriana for "the cool kids," while viewers are reminded of their deep, if now-faltering, friendship history.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Larsa’s new house aesthetic:

  "You’ve changed your faces more times than you’ve changed the house." (Ronnie, 19:42)

• On Lisa chasing her hat:

  "Watching Lisa just not able to catch up with the hat...was actually, it was like a dream where you're running but not getting anywhere." (Ben, 06:28)

• On the crux of the math cake drama:

  "Larsa getting this woman riled up is cray cray. Like, don’t do this. Because this was dead and done." (Ben, 44:09)

• On Adriana’s "not racist" defense:

  "God, it's just so cringy. And I hate this for Adriana. I hate this." (Ronnie, 74:41)

• On Adriana’s mindset:

  "She does think that everyone has the worst intentions. And what's more problematic is that she just naturally assumes that Kiki is trying to get her canceled." (Ben, 80:42)

• On Kiki’s response:

  "Kiki’s like, I never called her racist. Like, I don’t even understand. Like, I don’t think anyone in this group is racist." (Ronnie, 76:24)

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Timestamped Highlights (selected)

• 03:27 – Housekeeping banter and episode setup
• 07:51 – Art Basel introduction; Miami gets "goats"
• 11:14 – Kiki’s modeling career & her dad’s approval
• 15:24 – Whisby’s gummy bear art analyzed
• 23:22 – Larsa and Alexia talk relationships and houses
• 29:05 – Julia laments her tenuous relationship with her daughters
• 32:28 – Lisa and Jody negotiate proposal terms and emotional labor
• 38:21 – Math cake mystery begins
• 42:42 – Larsa stirs the cake drama again at the party
• 49:41 – Lisa’s tree costs $1,000; Julia DIYs for $80
• 53:53 – Art show, Adriana and Kiki’s conflict escalates
• 72:39 – Adriana brings up the "not racist" defense
• 74:41 – Hosts cringe at "I have a black friend" moment
• 78:31 – Kiki hitches a ride in classic Housewives style

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Overall Tone & Final Thoughts

Ben and Ronnie maintain their trademark campy, irreverent tone—both poking fun at and affectionately summarizing the Miami drama. They keep it light even as topics turn awkward, especially around housewives' generational insecurities and real-world sensitivities.

While lampooning Adriana's attempts at damage control and Larsa's relentless drama-mongering, they also insightfully parse how Housewives logic, social faux-pas, and social media anxieties collide for truly cringe TV. Listeners are treated to rapid-fire impersonations, deep Bravo lore, and both empathy and evisceration for Miami’s aging glamazons.

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Next Up:
Finale recap and more Crappens snark next week!

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[Ronnie]

Hi. Good. Good to see you. How's everything going with you?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's going great because no one has done a mathematical equation about my age on a cake today, so I'm feeling really good. We're talking today about Real Housewives of Miami. Before we get into that, tonight is crappy hour. It's on YouTube. Go check out our YouTube channel. It's there. A YouTube live experience starts at 5:30 on the West Coast, 8:30 on the east coast. It's also simulcast on Instagram so you can watch it there. But if you're on YouTube, you can actually join us. We pull people up onto the stage and talk with them at the end of the show. So come join us for that. We always have a blast talking about headlines, etc. We also have a wonderful Patreon. We have a bonus episode every single week. Last week we did a trailer trash where we broke down every single shot and scene and moment of the new Housewives edition of Wife Swap that they're bringing out. And before that we also did the trailer breakdown for Salt Lake City and for Potomac and Med, all that fun stuff. And then we sometimes we just shoot the. So that's on Patreon where we also have a video offering where you can watch us not just listen. So patreon.com watchmorecrapens that's all the good stuff and that's all the administrative housekeeping out of the way. Let's dive into it. It's our second to last episode of Miami before the reunions, of course. Shall we just dive in? Ronnie, how'd you feel? How you feeling? What's new? What's going on?

[Ronnie]

It was cram. So I mean, look, Adriana, I'm rooting for you, but. Oh, that this ending with Adani. I was like, no, please, no, please.

[Ben Mandelker]

So funny. It's so funny. Also, same time it's so, like, it's so ridiculous.

[Ronnie]

It's just so wrong. I'm like, please just stop this.

[Ben Mandelker]

She has a black friend. She has a black friend.

[Ronnie]

Oh, when she, when she willed out the black friend. I can't believe the whole. I have a black friend. And she said, I'm not raised. Say it. Say it. I'm not racist, right? She's like, no, she's not racist. See, you heard it here first. A black friend said it. I'm not a racist. I was like, oh my God, no one called you a racist. What are you doing here? God.

[Ben Mandelker]

But shall we go back to the beginning? Ah. Which is Larsa's moving day. She's like, moving out of her apartment, like, to like, her house, like, because it's going to be like a house. Like, hey, Claudia, like, like, what do you need me to help you with? Because you want me to do this and that and xyz, because I can do that.

[Ronnie]

Like, Claudia, like, what are you liking it do, like, with that, like, picture of me, like, standing by the pool in a swimsuit. Like, like, I need to make sure the arts, like, hung did it right. Like, come on, Claudia.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come on, Claudia. Like, and then Lisa and Jody are walking on the beach and it's windy and he's like, oh my God, it's so windy. I keep on like, almost losing my hat. Like, it's, it's so windy. My jaw might get blown open for a second. This is crazy.

[Ronnie]

The personality literally just got blown out of my body. Yeah, it's literally blowing me away. My hat. So she's chasing a hat and now it's three days.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not just chasing. She's torturing the audience. Cuz that wind blows her hat off and it like goes tumbling down the hill. And, and watching Lisa chase this hat was actually, it was like a dream. You know in a dream where you're like running to get someplace but you're not like getting there. It's like Lisa, this, this hat is blowing in slow motion and Lisa's like, ah. And she's like running after it and she like cannot seem to reach it or pick it up. She finally gets it, but watching her just not able to catch up with the hat. And then when she does catch up, when she reaches down, she like misses it. I was like, this is low key, causing me to have a panic attack.

[Ronnie]

So you have the dream where you're chasing, you're like, you're running, but you never get somewhere.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sometimes I do.

[Ronnie]

What are you running Towards Ben, Larsa, Pippin.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, what are you doing? Get to your house. Like, we have to start our podcast.

[Ronnie]

Like, I don't have that one, but I do have one that I'm walking around in different cities, different places, and I'm almost, you know, where I'm supposed to meet my friends or family or whoever's in the dream, and I never get there. And it's like, all night. The dream goes all night, and I go into all sorts of different rooms and situations and hang out with different kinds of people, but I just never find the people I'm looking for. I mean, it's just so on the nose, you know, I've had a few.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dreams lately where I've been actually, like, hugging dogs and liking dogs.

[Ronnie]

Oh, I want that dream.

[Ben Mandelker]

I do it really cute.

[Ronnie]

I'm living my dream. Life basically goes three days before Art Basel, and Adriana is. Is so excited. Art Basel is around the corner where the best is now. Miami. And everyone from all over the world comes to see what we have to show. It's not basil, by the way. It's not an herb.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's. It's Basel. Like the detective and the great mouse. Detective Basel.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So she tells us all about Art basel. They've got 90,000 people in one week. It's crazy. And Stephanie's like, yeah, Art Basel is the it week to be in Miami.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's so fun. What I do is I fly my private plane from Shoma Bazaar all the way down to south beach across the bridge, and it is the best. Yeah, there's, like, artists from, like, all around the world. Like, and, like, people fly in, like, and, like, they come, like, it's like they fly in from, like, Paris, from, like, everywhere.

[Ronnie]

Like, yeah, it's so many other places, like, Paris and.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, like, Paris.

[Ronnie]

It's, like, the only place I can, like, really think of.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, like, they also come from, like, yeah, Paris.

[Ronnie]

Paris. Yeah, they come from, like, Paris. Like, we not only sell it, celebrate the art of it, but we celebrate fashion and we celebrate music, and that's what we do. That's how we do it. Please celebrate in front of Frankie. That's what he needs right now. That's what he needs.

[Ben Mandelker]

It bring the whole city alive. Never more goats in Miami than during art Puzzle. And Lisa's like, yeah, everyone planned their outfits and where they're going to go. And it's like, you know, for some people, like, not myself, it's, like, really difficult to get into some of the parties. Although I Guess I wasn't invited to Lenny's party this year.

[Ronnie]

Well, I've been in the art world now for two decades. I've represented international artists from Sweden, Brazil, and also I've worked with our friend Martina Even and gave her a solo show. So don't forget I'm a good friend. Don't forget about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's my art where I hit tennis balls into a canvas and pretended it was Andre Agassiz's face.

[Ronnie]

These pieces were made on the first court I played tennis on in my hometown in the Czech Republic. That's basically an unusable space now, but I got a picture out of it that probably never sold. I don't really know what happened to that art. We never really heard. I can't believe that didn't take off. A lady hitting a ball at a canvas full of paint. How did that not take off?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I don't know. Well, this Art Basel, I have found this new emerging artist from Britain, and I'm going to bring him to the Miami show to show his exquisite artwork. But at night, when the light comes down, it is party time. And by party time, it means I'm going to prove to everyone I'm not racist time.

[Ronnie]

This is the super bowl of art. And her assistants, like, or the World Cup. Okay. Or the World Cup. Well said. Then you're fired. Do not argue with me about Super Bowl. I've been here decades. Deck aids.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we go to a plane hangar, and Kiki's getting her hair makeup done because she's going to be doing a photo shoot. And Loreste, her father, arrives. I think there's something I just. I have to get off my chest, which is that, like, I think the rest. He's an attractive man. Isn't it weird to have, like, an attractive dad on the show? I texted Courtney from Two Judgy Girls. I was like, you know what? I think the rest has to go into your March Madness poll this year. Right? Like, this guy, I mean, he's.

[Ronnie]

He's handsome. Yeah, he's handsome.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's handsome. Like, I would say that. The rest, I would say he qualifies to be a hot dad. Lares is a hot dad, and I just want to put it out there. I feel like we have not.

[Ronnie]

I'm sorry, did you not watch Nicole's final season with her father? That guy was a stud RIP. That guy was hot as hell.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, the point is that Kiki comes from good stock, so they say hi. And this is the resolution of the storyline, which you know, I'm so happy that they gave Kiki a storyline this season. I can't say I'm very compelled by it. So I sort of like, I'm rooting for her. But basically, it's that everyone in Haiti thinks that models are sluts and whores and prostitutes, and she is proving that, guess what? You're not when you're a model, you're actually just a professional.

[Ronnie]

So I actually like her storyline because I've never heard any of this stuff before. You know, it's like, fresh. Like the. It's a fresh storyline, which I like, you know, because most of these are just recycled. But I like the whole. Like, her family from Haiti is now threatening her, and she had to have her dad go talk to them. I mean, she's got a lot going on, that one. Actually. I kind of like.

[Ben Mandelker]

She does. She does. But, like, I also felt like. I felt like we sort of put a pin in it a few episodes ago. So it's like. It's one of those things where it's like, it's back, and I'm like, oh, okay. We're still trying to tell this dad that, like, what she does is actually something you should be proud of.

[Ronnie]

She also got her dad to eat salmon, so it's. I mean, it's going a pretty good clip for me. So he's like, oh, you look so gorgeous, my daughter. And she's like, oh, the first time you're going to see me do a photo shoot. First time. So I'm excited you're here. Look, my dad's so proud of me. My dad kicked me out for modeling, but now I'm modeling. So she models. And he's like, wow, you're modeling. She's like, look, I'm modeling. He's like, this is crazy. You're modeling. She's like, dad, Papa, I'm modeling. And so that's. That's good. I mean, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he takes. He's, like, taking videos. He's, like a proud dad and everything, and it's exciting. And now she's happy because he's proud of her. So now we go to Lars's new home, and she is. She's outside, and there's, like, this big piece of, like, fake Jeff Koons art that's being unloaded into her backyard. She's like, wow, this is, like, gorgeous. Like, it's like, oh, my God, I love it. Like a big, metallic, like, animal. Like, this is amazing. And apparently it's. It's a piece of conceptual art from Someone named Whisby or. Oh, no. What? I'm sorry, I thought his name was Whisby, but it's WH Then it's a capital I S. Then it's B. Like, who is he? B, who is beautiful? Who's B? I don't know if this guy is a big artist or not. Because if he's a big influential artist, then I'm making a fool of myself. But if he's just a guy, then I am doing my job well, which is being like, who the is this person?

[Ronnie]

Whisby. Yeah, that's what I would call him. He's a street artist. Okay. And he's super into gummy bears. He does gummy bear art. That's what he does. He's got gummy bear art. And if you look him up, you can see lots of gummy bears. He does gummy bear paintings. He does gummy bear sculptures. I think I've actually seen these small gummy bears. Big gummy bears. I mean, is that even legal? Those are already.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think I actually have seen. Seen this stuff around. But either way, Whisby, he's actually like. I feel like he's like one of these people who's like a model turned artist. He sort of has that look because he's like. He's like a very good looking guy. But then he's like, look, I do like oversized Jeff Koons. Like art, but it's like my own thing.

[Ronnie]

But they're literally all gummy bears. I guess I would suggest that Whisbey maybe, you know, show some artistic growth. I don't know, Maybe like a gummy worm. Why? Why, why are we not seeing gummy worms by pools? You know? Branch out, babe. You. You can do more. You're so talented. It's like, it's when you take a drawing class when you're young. Like, I used to trace stuff and I figured out how to draw a. Like an eye. Like, that's my first thing. And I would just draw eyes everywhere. And my mom told a shrink when I was a kid. Shocker. That I had to go to a shrink when I was a kid. But she was like, he's drawing eyes everywhere. And they were trying to like, figure out why I kept drawing eyes. It's literally all I knew how to draw. Okay. So then I branched out and I learned how to draw Droopy Dog from the cartoons. And then I was drawing Droopy Dog everywhere. And I'll bet that really threw him for a fucking loop. So I think Whisbey's got the same problem. Go to a child therapist and just confuse everybody. That's my advice.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, Whisby, I'm on. On Whisby's Wikipedia page. Whisby does seem to be, by the way, a legitimate artist. And yeah, Wisbey, what's kimchi? But he's a legitimate artist. The Wikipedia page, that's a callback to Food Network Star where they were auditioning people and they someone had to cook with kimchi and she acted like it was an alien species. Kim Choi. What is this?

[Ronnie]

Heck, what am I supposed to do with this stinky stuff? I don't even know what this is. Who knows what kimchi is?

[Ben Mandelker]

Kimchi. So this is what's funny to me. This is the Wikipedia page for Whisby. It says Whisby is a New York City based street artist of unverified identity, known for both the street art and fine art. So is that meaning that we don't know what his real name is? If it's unverified identity? Or is it like we don't know who he is? Because if we're not supposed to know who he is. Larson kind of just blew the top off that one.

[Ronnie]

Why do we have a Wikipedia? Am I right, ladies? I think it's kind of going against me's brand.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, Last time I checked, you didn't have a boat like dick. Am I right, everyone? Whisbey. More like hockey. Can you get me one?

[Ronnie]

I'll tell you who you're not. Finding any in a phone bug whizbeam. All right, Whisby.

[Ben Mandelker]

To whis be or to not whis be. That is the question. Who is this guy? Am I right? Unverified identity. The only reason why he's unverified because no one even cares to know what his name is in the first place.

[Ronnie]

Hi, you guys. Like, this is Larsa. Here's my feet. Okay, look, look at this sick. Like, beautiful bear. Just like got like, like the man that like, legend, the like, whiz, like, be like himself, came here to like, give me like a bear. Like, okay, that's, that's your payment. Thanks for coming over. Whiskey. You just got. You just got Instagram by Larsa Pippin. Congratulations. You're like, rich.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, yeah, unfortunately he's not a basketball player so I won't be having a relationship with him. So he can leave now. But this is like my first official night in like, my new, like, house. Like, and like, the only thing done is the kitchen in the living room, like my bedroom in the Backyard is like under construction. Bye, Whisby.

[Ronnie]

Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can leave now. So like, yeah, I didn't stay under budget. Like this house cost me like a fortune. Like we see it cost like $5 million.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And everything's still under construction. Contrtion. Everything's still under construction. And hell no, I didn't like stay. So Stephanie arrives and she's like, oh my God, it's a house. It's a house under construction. I really thought this house was going to be more done, but it's like not done. It's like living in a construction zone. This is crazy. Like I'm coming over to visit somebody when their house is under construction.

[Ben Mandelker]

Port for vor senor, could you give us some privacy? Sorry, I just amused to saying that in construction sites. Sorry, Larsa. It's just, it's. It's an instinct.

[Ronnie]

I thought you were like gonna have like a pajama party, like with me. Like, why are you in like clothes? Like it's like, oh, I got them in my purse. Okay. I mean, I was expecting furniture, but there's no furniture because it's a construction zone. This is nuts.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is like the craziest thing I've ever seen. They chose and then Alexia shows up and she's like, oh my God, this is like beautiful. Like this is like almost as nice as like the Alexi and Frankie beauty lab. Like, this is actually so beautiful. Like you're moving into construction. Everything's going on. Like, it's crazy because like, Todd, like we're under construction. This basically like moving into Todd. You're in Todd right now. I love it.

[Ronnie]

But like this is like the first like house like that I've like owned by myself. Like so like it's like totally different, like sensibilities than like my house with like Scotty, like I'm a girl. You. You've changed your faces more times than you've changed the house. Oh my God. They show her back and they just show her from behind. I was like the editors really like you this season for giving you that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. What was actually really funny is we see a side by side of her, of the house she lived in in 2010 in this house. And the one in 2010 was sort of like maybe faux Tuscan ish or whatever.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then this one is like a stark, cold, you know, modern Miami house. And I just thought it was so funny when she's like, now I can decide how I want my house to be. It doesn't have to be super masculine anymore. Do you did you see the before and after? Like, you're actually. You're in like the. You're like in the cold European male house right now. It's like, yeah, finally a feminine house. Nothing but concrete walls.

[Ronnie]

The other one was just fleur de lis everywhere and like faux painting. She's like, oh, my God. That's like so manly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like that manly house. I'm just so glad I could be in just like a woman's den with stainless steel surfaces and right angles.

[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

So they talk about the kids and she, her kids are really excited because Preston's graduating, so he's going to come home. But Sophia wants to stay in LA for high school. And she's like, yeah. And like, I can't be that mom. That's like, no, you have to like, come here and like finish high school. Like, you're like, like that's just not like, fair. Like, plus, like, Sophia would always be like, you're like, so that's gross. So you know it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. My kids are on like autopilot. Like, so. Which is my way of saying, this way I don't have to deal with them. I can just be here and do my TV show. Like.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Alexia is saying, so what do you do with all this big house then if you don't have the kids? Like, what are you gonna do? Do you want Frankie to come over? He likes big houses. He can walk around. You can do stuff in front of Frankie. He loves that.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can. Yeah. You know what? Fill this house with men. This is, this is house. You know what I. You know what I love about the super feminine house? That you can just fit it with men. You can have like lots of men here. There's probably a room for AC for Jody. Like, you can have so much fun here with Delta Men here.

[Ronnie]

Let me ask you like a question there, like, Alexia, like, what's going, like, going on with you, like, in your man? Like, oh, I don't know. You know, because Todd and I were like dating again. We're having so much fun because, like, we're dating, you know, so like we're together, so it's fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, isn't that the three month extension, like almost over?

[Ronnie]

Like, yeah, it's done. Like January 1st, something like that. Like January 1st. Exactly. Like possibly maybe around then, but January 1st. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

On that day, like a couple of weeks.

[Ronnie]

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We haven't talked about it. Like, we haven't talked about it though. But it's like coming, like. Yeah, it's coming.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's gonna like, bamboozle you. Like, he's gifted. Bamboo. Oh, bamboozling means. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Get ready. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'll be like, Bamboozled.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You know, and, like, I've given him a lot of power because, like, I wanted peace, so, like, I g him power. And so, like, now we're happy. And, like, now he's gonna bamboozle me. Yeah, you're right. It's gonna be fun. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stephanie's like, you're not a piece. You're not at peace at all unless you have a private, private jet. You're just not at peace. Everyone knows that.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And she's like, if he decided we need to move, if, you know, move forward, you know, you're not going to be like, yeah, I don't want to move forward either. Yeah. But, like. Well, I don't know, because, like, I have other things to say, but, like, I'm not gonna say them right now because, like, I could. I could really do it. I could say it, but I'm not going to say it because, like, I'm. I'm together with Todd right now until he bamboozles me. What's Bamboozled, by the way? That's a good thing, right? Is that, like, propose again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, you know what? Like, the girls, they have a right to feel the way that they do. If anything, like, I love all of them for protecting me and, like, for showing me that they care so much. But I'm, like, in love with him, and, like, I want to be with him, because you know what? Like, all narcissists deserve to die, but also they deserve love. And I want to make love to Todd.

[Ronnie]

So we go to Julia's, and she's with Jackson and Luca, and they're packing little Christmas present gift things, like kind of food gifts or thing, something like that for her daughters. And it's like, okay, Luca, Jackson, you help me. We going to make a package for Vika and Emma when she was a little girl. They love some Russian chocolate. So let's pack for your sisters. Okay, now which one for Vika? And he's like, that one. Okay, and this one is for Jackson. No, not. Not for Jackson. Jackson. Later. This is for Vika. This is for Emma then. Okay. Goat.

[Ben Mandelker]

And this one goes for goats. When do we get something? I do not know. No, this is going to be bittersweet Christmas, because I'm not going to. It's not going to be because we have our boys, but because both my daughters won't be with us, we are not going to be full house for Christmas.

[Ronnie]

So we get clips of her basically being an absentee parent this whole time. She's like your grades. How are your grades, Emma? And she's like, mom, do you even know the name of my school? And she's like, oh, my God, what's the name of my school, Mom? Oh, come on. Emma.

[Ben Mandelker]

Emma Goat Academy. Goat Goat Harvard Ghost Goat Lake School.

[Ronnie]

So Martina comes in. It's like, what are we up to in here? Or packing some snacks for those ungrateful you birthed? It's like, oh, we are having fun making Christmas presents. Oh, gosh, I need a picture for Vika like that with you hugging Martina and wacky hat. Let's do it, boys. So they take little cute Christmas videos. And she's like, vika, Emma, this is our pre Christmas. Do you miss us? We miss you. Come back to us. Say hello. Say hello, replacements of Vika and Emma. Say hello.

[Ben Mandelker]

Remember Vika and Emma when we used to do these photos with you? Oh, of course not, because we never did it. But we do it with the new tube. What do you call them? The do overs. So come on, come home with us.

[Ronnie]

This is Mulligan and Mulligan number two.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mulligan and Dewey over.

[Ronnie]

So then we see her crying to her friend about not having her daughters anymore. And so Martina's like, well, chocolate gets them every time. That should be an easy choice. And she's like, well, but now things are better with the daughters. No. And so she's talking about during Thanksgiving. She had a conversation with Emma and it shifted. And Vika probably did her little magic because they finally understood there's room for everybody. And I can just not wait for them to see the. Oh, no. You are eating Emma's chocolate. Why are you eating Emma's chocolate? Oh, God. The children won't speak to me now. I cannot send them half eaten chocolate.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you. You definitely look less stressed now that you've had a breakthrough with one of those girls. I mean, I felt really helpless. I was really upset about what it was doing to you more than anything. Those two little ungrateful bitches. We gave them a whole modern house in free art, and this is how they repay us? I don't think so.

[Ronnie]

It was almost enough to paint them and throw tennis balls at their faces and try and let Adriana sell him at art bas. Well, in her mind. You know, if we could have adopted the boys while they were living in the house, the girls would. It would have been easier for them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God, you're kidding. Get out. Get out of dodge. Come on. That's ridiculous. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Oh, wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

They would have liked it better that doesn't make any sense to me. And Martina's totally right. These girls are totally lying. They would have been. They. Well, the girls just wouldn't have been happy no matter what. Obviously they didn't. They were uncomfortable with the idea of suddenly having, like, two new siblings, and they've probably felt replaced or jealous or whatever it is. We don't really. We never found out what was bothering the sisters, but now they're saying, like, oh, we could have been there. We could have been part of the process, but it's just something sprung on us. I think they would have been unhappy no matter what.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And Martine is not having it. She's like, well, it could have gone either way. It could have. Whether they were here or not, I think the way it went, because we adhered to their wishes. They didn't want to know about the process, so we didn't tell them until it was too late for them. So they don't want to know. They don't know. Now they're mad. They don't know. Oh, come on. I can't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She's like, these two spoiled brats travel the world, we give them everything, and now we do something for ourselves, and they're mad about it. I'm not gonna stand for it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Martina, you're so grumpy. Why. Why do you need to talk about this stuff? I'm just being realistic. Your daughters are bitches. The end.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's pretty much. So then we go to Lisa's house, and there's a chef who's made some little sushi and stuff, and the kids are there, and she's like, guess what, kids? Jody surprised Mommy tonight, and we're having a romantic dinner. Isn't that sweet? You want some? And then Jody's like, yeah. Oh, yeah. You're trying that before. It's like, what? Oh, she. What are you saying, Hershey? Huh?

[Ronnie]

What I love about Jody is he's all about not being able to say hamachi properly to family. It's just so sweet. Read my blinks, huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Is he holding a gold. A goldfish in his mouth? Is he afraid that, like. Or like a bird? Is there like a little. Is there a little parakeet in his mouth at the moment? He opens his jaws as birds can go flying out?

[Ronnie]

He really is. I think I made this comparison before, but he is. Like, when me and my little sister were young, we would go under the water in the swimming pool and then talk to each other and then see if we could figure out what the other person was saying. And it was always like. Like you said, bingo. Was his name out? No, I said, you're stupid and fat. You know, stuff like that. That's how Jody talks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, he's so great with my kids. He loves them. And my kids come over, and they're always like, jody, Jody, Jody. And he's always, like, watching them together.

[Ronnie]

Let's get a glass of wine. Adios, kids. I'm gonna go cry for Jody and beg him to marry me so I don't feel like a loose woman. So they go outside, and she's telling us she got the second chance at a family. She's always dreamt of this. It makes me feel. Look at this. We're having a special dinner, Jody. Almost like something special is about to happen. Ring finger. Ring finger. Lonely Jody.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. No.

[Ronnie]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know what you're saying, Jody, but. Look, I know I just got divorced, but I don't like the term girlfriend. What I like is wifey to be. Give me a ring, okay? And I think I'm just too old to be called a girlfriend. I mean, I would never like to say that I'm too old, but let's be honest. I'm a little too old for this. So. So I can't be. I can't be with someone honestly, going on three years and not at least be engaged. He's like, what? You agree? You want him, Archie?

[Ronnie]

No.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know, Joey. Why don't you text it to me?

[Ronnie]

I disagree with you. Look, I don't want to pressure you or nothing. I just want you to marry me right now, or I'm out of here. Do you understand me? You just need to set me free. Be with me forever. Set me free. No pressure, no pressure. Well, do you think that there's somebody else who would have sat through the seat that I sat through for the past two years? Is there anyone else in your life that was still here and took everything that I've done in the last two years? I do love rigatoni. Thank you for asking.

[Ben Mandelker]

And the shady, shady editors then cut immediately to Lenny saying almost the exact same thing, saying, do you think there's anybody other than me that could put up with you?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, that's not the best way to word it, but I know what Jody's saying. I thought Lenny was a monster, but I do see what Jody said. He's like, I've just been through complete trauma with you. It's not like I don't love you, you know, like I've been here. Hopefully he wasn't being.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lenny's version was like, you're so shitty. There's no one else that would like you except for me. And then Jody is like, no, look, I wouldn't still be here with. Given all the. All the things that have happened, I wouldn't still be here.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, so then. But that was shady. That was a shady edit.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a shady edit. So Jody's like, listen, I need to not hear that if I get engaged and work towards marriage, that I'm not walking into chaos. Because anytime something happens, there's always this chaos. It's Lenny and this and that. And like, people go through and I can deal with. I'm not here for. Is when you go through. Like, you take it out on me. I'm sorry, were you saying that we should go to the movies? No, I'm just saying. Can I tell you that what would make a difference is basically, he. Basically like, can you just go to therapy?

[Ronnie]

Well, he's saying, like, you. You've been going through trauma, but then you yell at me, and you're constantly taking your trauma out on me. It makes it sound like he's getting screamed at all the time. That's what I'm getting from this. And she's like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. He's like, you know, and if I saw you.

[Ben Mandelker]

He literally says, if you go to therapist or just start talking to someone, start dealing with this, like, yeah, I'll give you a ring right away. It's. I actually thought like that considering the weird ultimatums we've seen on Bravo, this is one of the more reasonable ones. Like, listen, I just need you to. You need to start working on some of your emotional. A little bit. And then I'm ready.

[Ronnie]

I just stop.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just need to know. Stop torturing me.

[Ronnie]

He's like, if you just stop torturing. And he doesn't even make her go to therapy. He's like, I mean, if you. Even if you went to therapy or started books, even that you would buy the four agreements. Okay, Buy that. It's very short. Listen, you can do it audible. Get married. We're so close.

[Ben Mandelker]

We'll open up an audible account for you. Just really anything. Anything. Instruction manual. If you could just tell me how the car works, I'll be happy. I just wanted to see a page. Turn one page.

[Ronnie]

And she says she's going to work on it. And I've never been so angry. This shit has made me angry. This has Made me different. You motherfucker. Like, okay, okay. Put down the. Put down the knife. Put down the knife.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can we just eat our hachi and peace? What? Can we just eat our hanji? And these.

[Ronnie]

I don't see Hot Pockets here, but I'm down. Where are they? So they kiss, and it looks like it's all gonna work out, guys. And now it's day one of Art Basel, and Julia's at home getting her makeup done, and she wants to do sexy smoky. Always sexy smoky. And then Stephanie is getting her hair and makeup done, and they're trying to come up with something crazy because it's Art Basel. I'm crazy. Don't you come for me. This is what I'm trying to give. That's what I want to give with my fashion. So just put a gigantic no whammies button in the middle of my chest.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Just put the staples, like, that was easy button on my chest. Whatever. It's crazy. So it looked crazy, that button. It was definitely like, no whammies. Family Feud buzzer, whatever. Doorknob. So Adriana gets out of her SUV and she goes. There's a place called Higher Ground that seems to be attached to the Arlo Hotel or something. And she goes up to this big party, this big, glamorous party that looks actually pretty amazing. And they go and they walk through, like, there's gonna be 2500 people coming to the party. And they go to this gallery, and Adrian is like, oh, look at these smudges on canvas. I love it. What I love about this artist is that he's from Britain and he paints like the great masters. He has a brushstroke of Rembrandt and the creativity of Dolly and one of the ears of Van Gogh. But obviously we know the second one.

[Ronnie]

This better work, because I have a successful event because I put a lot of money to make tonight happen. So this is called the Higher Ground because it's up, like, 30 flights of stairs or something. That is insane.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, what about an elevator? Okay, in those heels. Let's help some people out.

[Ronnie]

They've got the craziest heels too. So Lars account, you know, everybody's coming, and Larsa immediately starts some. She's like, so, like, what's going on? Like. Like, you look like 30 years old. Like, you look so beautiful. By the way, though, like, that was so weird about that. Like, cake. Like, I had all those numbers on it, and it was like that. That cake was like, you're an old dumb. Like, like, remember the cake looks like. Oh, my God. Like, remember how the cake. That. It was just like one big crutch. Remember? It was like, shaped like a crutch. That was so mean. Like, who did that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, that was mean. Like, they made us do math. Like, that was so mean. Like, who wrote that? Like, it was like, I don't know. I don't know. But I wasn't very happy about it. I don't know who would do such a mean spirited thing. But when I find out who did, that person is going to get a piece of my mind. My old mind, that is. Because that's. That equation wasn't even written nicely. I wish my artist had done it. A brushstroke of a Rembrandt, the palette of a Matisse, the vaginas of a Georgia o'. Keefe. Beautiful.

[Ronnie]

So Stephanie comes and she's dressed crazily, and they get some drinks and stuff, and she's like, I'm so happy to be with you guys. You know, I really enjoyed the cruise. Like, maybe I'm starting to fit in. You know, I don't know at this point with how I'm going to handle Marisol. Killer. Push her down the stairs. I mean, this is a good place for it, but not really sure. But, you know, she's. She's slivers. You know, she slivers. So she's getting ready for a big fight with Marisol, which she's going to lose. So I don't. I don't. I would never bet on Stephanie to win a fight against Marisol. We've seen her try it a few times, and she just. Marisol disarms her so easily.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she really does. So then Marisol and Alexia are arriving and talking about Thanksgiving, and Alexia's like, oh, well, you know, I had dinner with the boys and Peter's girlfriend, which I loved. I loved it. But Todd didn't come over because he had dinner with his mom and his daughters and like, other narcissists. And we saw each other the night before after that, and like, not that night, but, like, you know, it's. They call it narcissist giving, and they basically make people bring them turkeys. And so it's, like, fun. I love it so much.

[Ronnie]

His family came over on the narcissism flower. That's just how they do it. So, yeah, like, we were hanging out with, oh, you know, Peter's girlfriend, who is like a turkey. Like, this girl was just like a turkey. It's so crazy to, like, be sitting at the Table with a turkey. Like, eating a turkey. But, you know, she was there. So what did you guys do? I was like, well, listen, when you don't talk about Todd, you know, I don't ask about time if you're not going to talk about him. She goes, well, but I don't want to be talking about Todd every day.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, like Lisa, Lenny, you know.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I'm not gonna be like Lisa and just talk about him every day. It's like, well, my brain. If you're not talking about him, then that's not good. So then I don't ask. Oh, you know why? Because you're negative. That's what.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's why I understand and respect the way Marisol feels, you know, like an old dumb lady. But there's, like, come to a point where, like, no matter what you say, it's not going to influence me in my decision, okay? I've just had a team narcissist. That's me. Okay? And then a week earlier, we see them. Like, we see that dinner they had where Marisol ate nothing.

[Ronnie]

And.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Marisol's talking about how she doesn't like Todd. So Lexi says, you know, I have to shut off the noise because, like, you know, at the end of the day, it's not between our friends, it's between Toad and I shut off the noise. You are the noise.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Like, at the end of the day, you get nada for nada, you know? That's all you can say for the life of the pobres. That's it. You know, that's what I'm saying. So she's like, nothing's changed, Marisol. All right, well, it'll be. What'll be, you know, Que. Sarah. Sarah, as they say, you know, I mean, that's one of Dick's favorite songs. I mean, he's just had everybody sing it to him at Branson. God, I love Deck. I miss Dak. I wonder what Dick. Dick would feel about you being back with Todd. I don't think Dick would like this, Alexia.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Julia arrives and joins Larsa and Stephanie. Adriana. And then Stephanie and Larsa have Go off to talk, and Larsa's like, so, like, nautical Stephanie. Like, I don't know if you remember, but Adriana's cake had a bunch of math equations on it. It was really confusing, and I was wondering if anyone had a calculator, because I still don't know what number it landed on.

[Ronnie]

I love the most offensive thing that's happened to Larsa this season is that There has been math on a cake.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, yeah.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my God. Like, the math. There was, like, math. Like, that's just, like, unfair. Like. Like, I don't even how to know how to, like, do that. Like. Like, what am I supposed to, like, add a cake? What am I, like, Feinstein hard?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, yeah, that's, like, hard. Am I like, Feinstein? Like. Like, math is, like, really hard. So, like, when you do it, like, on a cake, it's hard because, like, also, like, the cake is a circle. So then you're, like, rotating it, and you're like, wait, if PI is math, and why is this and cake? It's like, using, like, so how much.

[Ronnie]

On my fingers when I'm, like, holding a piece of cake. Like, it's just, like, unfair.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, so then they do a whole bit about who could it be? Who are the suspects? They go through this whole thing.

[Ronnie]

First of all, can we just say, not that big of a deal. Your friends threw you a birthday party. They were really nice to you. They got you kind of a hideous cake. But, you know, they made the effort. And you're 59 and you're gonna have. That's something you have to deal with.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just.

[Ronnie]

And also, it's not torturing you. Yeah, you're gorgeous. Gorgeous. And it's not torturing you by saying, Happy 59th birthday. Was it slightly tasteless? Sure. I mean, maybe it's because I've already heard the explanation for this that I have this opinion.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't even think it's.

[Ronnie]

Was it maybe a bad joke? Sure. But it's like, your friends, they're fucking with you. This is not the end of the world. And Larsa getting this woman riled up is cray cray. Like, don't do this because.

[Ben Mandelker]

Please don't do this, because this was dead and done. They've already had Thanksgiving, okay? Like, they. They went. They did the Bravo, whatever. It was the.

[Ronnie]

The.

[Ben Mandelker]

The Miami, whatever. They did last year and fest thing, Fan fest. They went and did the cruise. Then they all went off to Thanksgiving, and now it's Art Basel. Which means it's probably December 4th or 5th or 6th or something like that. So it's been, like, two weeks. And now Lars is like, wow, remember that frosting? That was so offensive, that frosting? I'm like, really? I guarantee, even if Adriana was like, that's, like, tacky. Like, she's. She's over it. But you're. You're bringing it all back now. It's like, you Know, people do birthday cake things where they say like, oh, I'm not turning 40. It's like I'm turning 20 times two. Right. It's like a, a way to say it differently. And I think it like, Kiki just did it wrong. Obviously she did it wrong. She was like, oh, it's. She tried to do the I'm 32 times two, but that doesn't work.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So minus five. And then she's like, oh, in case you can't tell, that's 59, which is like, no, Kiki, you messed that up up.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Larsa is trying to turn this into like the biggest, most offensive thing that could have happened.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So they, they're trying to figure out who is did it. So they're all like coming up with the biggest, you know, suspect or whatever. But it's funny because then they get to Lisa and Larsa's like, maybe like Lisa, but like, I don't think Lisa can count like that high. Like Stephanie goes, yeah, I don't think that ultra was her thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lisa or basic counting commercials.

[Ronnie]

Here comes one.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So Ronnie, you just got something from Quince, didn't you? Didn't something just arrive?

[Ronnie]

It is a gorge. Speaking of cashmere, I just got a cashmere hoodie from them. It's like an oatmeal color. It is so beautiful. Like I'm almost afraid to wear it because I don't want to mess it up. It's one of the nicest things in my wardrobe. So when I need to class it up this fall, you will be seeing me in this hoodie.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie]

So then.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lisa shows up and Alexia has an announcement. She. Guys, guys, you have to listen to this story. Okay? I go to Lisa's apartment after Thanksgiving and we ran into each other at Thanksgiving dinner at like prime 11 2, 1 12. And then she Invite, invite. She invited me to, like, to her house to have a drink. And then she had bought like two Christmas trees. And Jodie's like, oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Like, Lisa hired somebody to put up the Christmas tree. Like, it cost me a thousand dollars. Isn't that a great story, guys?

[Ronnie]

Isn't that kind of normal for rich people to do that? Yeah, it is, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Is the point of the story that Lisa put up a Christmas tree for a thousand dollars? Was the point of the story that you can understand what Jody was saying?

[Ronnie]

Exactly. Okay, like, do it yourself. So, like, wait, a thousand dollars? Like, and it tells you to take it off? Like What? Julie's like, 79.99. This is what I paid for my tree. This is what I did. Marisol's here, Monkey. I mean, sorry. Monkey's here. Monkey, we just heard about your tree. What a disaster. What an awful, awful trial of tribulation. What's up with the tree, Monkey?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, Victoria and Emma are like, this is why we're not coming home, Mother. Because you're a shitty, cheap 80 tree. Give us a thousand dollar tree, Mother.

[Ronnie]

I could have myself every time I pass that wiry ass tree.

[Ben Mandelker]

You are married to a sports icon and the best you can do is an eighty dollar tree. Now you want to be happy about it?

[Ronnie]

Oh, my God, Lisa, listen to this. Julia buys her own Christmas tree at Home Depot and she decorates it. What do you think of that? That's what she does. She does it herself. She's like, I don't see the problem. I'm hiring someone to put up a tree. Listen, it's not hurting anybody. I'm literally helping the economy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, look at Lisa. Lisa Hochstein, the, the. The fairy Godmother of trickle down economics. Mystery buying.

[Ronnie]

Listen, it's better than dribble down dinner, which is what I had with Jody last night. God, watching that man try to chew. Can't wait to marry him.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, Adriana's birthday cake on the cruise. This is Stephanie talking, by the way. Adriana's birthday cake on the cruise.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You see it?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Yeah, I saw it. I did.

[Ben Mandelker]

Larsa is trying to piece together who did it. Like, do you know? Do you even know who did it?

[Ronnie]

What? We wanted to know who put the numbers on the cake?

[Ben Mandelker]

Who put the numbers on the cake? Someone put numbers on cake. Okay. We don't. They're like, oh, yeah, I already know who it is. We know. It's like, oh, well, because it was supposed to be a big mystery and we're supposed to, like, have a big fight and we're gonna accuse each other and, like, maybe frame Julia for it and then, like, get to the bottom of it and we're. It was you. But you guys know.

[Ronnie]

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's episode 16. I just don't have time for this. It was kinky and Kiki did it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So you guys don't want to have, like, a fight about it. You just want to, like. You're just gonna say who it is. You don't want to draw it out. You want to, like, make it like a. You want to, like, do, like, a cover up and then, like, do, like, three episodes. Like, who knows? You know?

[Ronnie]

Do you want to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

No?

[Ronnie]

It was Kiki. It was Kiki. Okay, that's that. I said it there. I said, I'm sorry, Dak. I know. Richard.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kiki and Gertie are driving along, and he's like, have you talked to any of the girls in the grooves? Oh, yes. Well, I texted Adriana and then she was like, like, who put the numbers on the cake? And I was like, I don't know. So who did it? And he's like, I did it. Oh, I thought we were going to, like, do a round of, like. It could have been.

[Ronnie]

It was. No, you're just gonna.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're just gonna admit it. We're not gonna. Kiki, you're not gonna deny it and then, like, admit it to your.

[Ronnie]

It was Kiki.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was just. Okay. It was just you. It's just this.

[Ronnie]

It was me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay?

[Ronnie]

I did it.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right?

[Ronnie]

I did it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, we still, like. We still have another episode left for season finale that it could have come out in.

[Ronnie]

Right? Well, let me Tell you you want another episode. My father had never seen a birthday cake with numbers on it. It. And now he has.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's fair.

[Ronnie]

So that's fair. That's fair.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kiki explains that when they're on the boat, like, you know what, what they were talking about, like, what was like an age that you'd want to go back to? And then Adriana had said 32. And so. And we see, we see a. I guess, like, but it's how old would you want to be? And Adriana said, 35. Whatever. So then Kiki was like.

[Ronnie]

On the screen, it said ding, ding, ding, not 32.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kiki's like, so on the cake. I came up with this little idea, but if it's not her age, it's like. It's like more like math, which is funny. And Alexa goes, and how are you gonna do that? Like math? Like, you know, it's. It's us, right? No, I put like 32 times 2, but it's like minus 5 because you need to get to the 59, right? Because 32, 32 is 64. Like, I'm not following. How is 32 and 32 64?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, like, that's a lot of numbers that don't, like, make sense. Like you got 32 minus 5. Like, what is. What even is that? Like, how am I supposed to do that?

[Ben Mandelker]

If you put two 32 year olds together, they're not like, Adriana's age. That doesn't make sense.

[Ronnie]

Like, yeah, like, I don't get it. That's stupid. Like, I don't get it. Mar's like, oh, all right, you know what? You do it. Go ahead and you do it. And then we're just gonna sit and watch this with popcorn. Because it's gonna be funny. It's gonna be ridiculous. Like, yeah, cuz it's gonna be funny. Stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am feeling awful because I didn't want her to feel like I was. Hmm. Her. Which is why at the time when it happened, I said absolutely nothing. And then next. Next time I get Adriana cake, it's just gonna say, happy birthday, you were most beautiful woman on earth. Or even better yet, shoot, maybe I don't even give her a cake at all. Look at her vibrators. Right, right, Kiki talking vibrators.

[Ronnie]

I actually laughed at that. She had funny timing. It's like, yeah, maybe I don't even give her a cake next time. Next time I give her vibrators. It's like, there it is, there it is. So now everybody is Coming to the venue. Gertie's tripping. It's like, up, up. I stuck the landing. I almost tripped, but I got it stuck. It nailed it. Girdified that curb.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then they're all looking at art. And Adrian's like, everyone, please welcome. This is Chris Rivers. He has the brushstroke of early caveman and the color palette of Cate Blanchett in that one movie where she was an artist, I think. Was that her? It may have been someone else.

[Ronnie]

Chris Rivers, Larsa Pippin, Julia Lemingova, this is all of you brilliant artists. People I kind of know on TV who are mostly horrible. And he's like, hello, nice to meet you. Like, is this, like, are you work? Like, like, that's, like, crazy. Did you just, like, sign it or is it, like, your work? Do you know Wisbey? Because I do. He, like, gave me free stuff. Yeah. Do you make any Gummy bears are real art? Like, what is this? Like, you put paint on stuff. That's disgusting. I don't get it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, this art is sick. It's beautiful. It's sick. This art is so sick.

[Ronnie]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like Wisbey level, but, like, it's like if you took a gummy bear and like, like, flattened it and then put in a frame, that's like what your art is. It's like whiskey.

[Ronnie]

Flat, flat, sick. This is your art. Wow. Amazing. Good for you. You look terrified. Was it scary art? Why are you shaking? Why are you hiding behind that lady's knee? You look very scared. Wow. But work art from a terrified pasty person. Everybody give them some applause. Not too loud. He's very scared.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, say hi to Dick for me. You're going back to Britain, aren't you? Okay, this lady Jennifer comes out and thank you all for coming to our show. I'd like to introduce Adriana, although everybody knows her, right? She's been around for 59 years at this point. Am I right, everyone? How dare you?

[Ronnie]

I'm going to throw you down the stairs of the higher ground. Okay, thank you. Thank you to Chris Rivers. Okay, Chris, come up. He's hiding under the table right now. Chris. Chris, come up and say hello. Okay, you. No, you won't do it. Okay, Chris did it. Thank you, everybody. Now open your wallets and start buying pieces. Yeah, like maybe like, get some gummy bears or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, he flew all the way over the pond to get here. Or should I say the Rivers, because that's his last name. He has the brush stroke of Anna Paquin. When she's painting in her off time. But the. The taste level of the guy from Dunkin Donuts who decides to make one donut really nice.

[Ronnie]

The brushstroke of Anna Paquin and the follow through of Pac Man.

[Ben Mandelker]

The dedication of the ghosts, but the perseverance of Pac Man.

[Ronnie]

So she introduces him to Lisa, and Lisa's like, oh, my God, you painted these? Let me touch them. No, you can't touch the art, girl. You're buying the art now. I'll take it. I'm like, seriously going to take it. Okay, it's 18,000. What do I care? I love art. I collect art. When I moved to the Star island house, it was all art. Was my art. And we see the picture. We just see a picture of, like, Lisa naked but, like, painted over. It's like, yeah, it's all like, that's some serious art.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like fake Lin art of her. Like, look at me, pop art. It's like fake Warhols. Like, her a soup can. I love Lisa being like, I love art. That's why I always touch it with my full hand. Yeah, yeah. Like, Lisa, you got tamachi on the art.

[Ronnie]

Oh. So, Marisol, let's talk to staff. Marisol and Stephanie. Ty. So what do you guys do for Thanksgiving? I haven't had Instagram since I lost my phone. I would assume your husband's still on Facebook. I would have had to check there. Anyway, so how's my fellow senior doing? Do you guys have fun?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, we were in. We were in Canada. How about you? Well, I went to the yacht club with Steve and Hunter. You know, we sat around the piano, sang some Peaches and Cream. You know, it's not the same having Thanksgiving with a family, you know, But I don't have my family around anymore. So, anyway, if you want to sob for me. Well, you know what? Family is so important. And I don't talk to my sisters because they're. Which brings me to my topic. My sisters are okay. When I joined this friend group, I felt like I had a connection with you. And I don't want to fight with you. It's like, why? Why would we be fighting? What are you talking about? Mighty mad. Okay?

[Ronnie]

We're just sitting around. I thought we're good. We talked. You expressed your feelings. I said your feelings were invalid. And I thought that was a perfectly nice conversation. Mighty Mouse, she's like, well, you know. But like, you know, it was before I had my talk with Alexi in the mud room and in the mud room Alexi said Marisol is really upset because you went to lunch with Adriana. And, you know, I think Marisol is really upset because Adriana got to fly on the plane. Plane first. What? No one said that. No one said that. You're making it about your plane again. Nobody said Mary Soul's upset that Adriana's on the plane. Why are you making stuff? You just want people to be upset about your plane. No one cares about your plane, okay? Lisa cares about your plane. No one else cares about your plan.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, I'm not upset about Adriana flying on the plane. I removed myself from the situation. I told you. You. Why I didn't go on the plane. I didn't go because Alexia wasn't included. It was me or her. And then after that, I didn't want to hear about the cost of it because I don't want to be beholden to anybody. She's like, but it wasn't me, Marisol. It wasn't me who said that. And we see a flashback that it was Larson's. Like, she's spending $40,000. Like, that's like two gummy bears that you could put in your backyard that she's not buying anymore. She's spending it on a plane.

[Ronnie]

Like, yeah, Larsa said it, but it's because you told Larsa, which is also you, like, being like, oh, my God, I'm spending $40,000 to take these girls on a plane, et cetera, et cetera. And so Marisol's like, well, listen, I want our friendship to be pure, okay? I want it ever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, so you don't feel like it was pure?

[Ronnie]

No. I mean, no, not when you're talking about how much it costs and everything. I just think it's tacky. It's just tacky to be talking about money all the time. She's. By the way, she's saying this in her confessional when she's like, this is just so tacky, this girl. Everybody talking about their money, and she's wearing like. Like Louis Vuitton. Louis Vuitton. Louis Vuitton. She's wearing one of those outfits with the pattern with the brand literally everywhere. It's like, God, I just hate showing people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She's like, oh, God, I just hate a tacky person. Cut to Alexia. I was born a star. I was born a star. And Russians are all prostitutes. Just look, you. You realize the milieu that you're in is all tagginess.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I think it's. Go ahead.

[Ben Mandelker]

Me. Sorry, it's me. It's my turn to talk. Okay. Don't act like my sister. Okay.

[Ronnie]

All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it's. You know what I think is tacky? I think it's very tacky to not go and say to somebody, hey, I'm not gonna go on the plane because of XXX and, like, I think it's, like, tacky to send your message to your other friend. And when your room's, like, three feet away. And given what Alexia said in the mud room, she basically made it seem like it's Marisol behind a lot of the things she does. And she said, marisol, the one that puts all these things in my head. So that's why. What? It's tacky. That's what I think is tacky. And you know what? I think that. That Stephanie in this situation is actually correct. It was tacky. Like, Stephanie was being tacky about the plane, 100%, but Marisol was being tacky by just being a no show. That's what I said.

[Ronnie]

I think that was. I think it was tacky, too. I will. I will give her that. She. I think she's right on that. But then she lies again when she says, marisol is the one that puts these things in my head, and she knows I'm the mouthpiece. That's not what she said. She said, marisol and I, we know. You know, we're two different people. But just so you know, I'm the one that has the bigger mouth, so I'll say it. But she always thinks like me, if not more. That's not saying she puts the words in her head. That's saying they both have the same opinions, but she's the only one with the balls to say anything. It's not the same thing as being her mouthpiece. I don't think.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't come in balls ablaze in, but I do come in balls of chugging right? With Steve. You know anyone? Hey. Well, it's. It's just that, like, when somebody can't really manipulate you, they make you feel like you're crazy. And I don't have my feeling. Like, I don't have my feelings all over the place. And she's like, what? I. Listen. I am not the farthest thing from a manipulator. Go to the other side of the room. That's not me. Just get on my face.

[Ronnie]

You.

[Ben Mandelker]

You need to be on your own for your own issues. Maybe fight with Gertie. You have an issue with me. Okay. Or maybe fight with Adriana. I don't know. Think about It. That's you and you. Okay, but I am not a manipulator. How. Julia, that could be fun, too.

[Ronnie]

Oh, Maricel, give yourself a little credit. You're one of the greatest manipulators in Bravo history. Like, you do a good job, you're good at it, and you do it, you know, take credit.

[Ben Mandelker]

Credit.

[Ronnie]

Take credit for things. Sometimes I was like, well, her blaming me for problems with Alexia is crazy. I mean, she was starting non stop with her Todd commentary, which is true as well. I mean, they're both making great points. And I think it's because they're both making points that the other one is an. So I think that they're both correct, actually.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Stephanie's like, well, maybe this is your norm because you're married to a crazy guy. That. Oh, sorry. That was a flashback of me. Remember when I said that? That was so hilarious. This. So Marisol's like, look, has nothing to do with me. And I think everyone here has a little bit of amnesia. Mine comes from all the cockies that I drink all the time. Outrageous.

[Ronnie]

Well, I think that, like, deep down to the core, like, I was hurt, and that's where I'm coming from. She goes, I'm sorry you're hurt. My. Anymore. I knew not going on the plane might hurt you. And I want to work things out and be friends. I just. You know what? I want to go on that plane one day. I want to poop on your plane. All right? Am I gonna get to make a poopo on your plane?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's called jettiquette, okay? And this is the reason why my sisters weren't allowed on the plane. And this is why they won't talk to me to this day, because they want to take a poop on my plane. And I said, you can't do that. And then there are these stupid who go off and won't talk to me when I'm the one who just is trying to enforce jettiquette, okay? And I feel like we can be great friends if we were just, like, a little more straightforward with me. If. Especially if you were more straightforward with me instead of, like, going through Alexia. You got that, Marisol?

[Ronnie]

All right, fine. Because I love you, and I don't want to fight. Well, it's not the love. So then they go, look at the art. And now Audriana is introducing her best friend Carol to the artist. And she's like, this is Carol. She's a fashion stylist. She's been dressing me for 17 years. She's my ride or die. And she's black. She's my black friend who's going to stand up for me today. Does everybody understand this without me labeling it 20 times in the this scene?

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, this is my black friend who's known me for a long time and will be able to testify on my behalf in case it needs to be brought up. Okay, great.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Carol's like, oh, Chris Rivers, you have a horrible accent. It's like, really? Oh, no. He's like, yeah, it's British. I know. I love it, babe. I love it so much being coy.

[Ronnie]

So then outside, Alexia is talking to Kiki, Julie, Mary, Julia, Mary Sol, and Lisa, and she's like, I don't know if you girl girls know, but Julia always comes to the Beauty Bar. Okay? So anyways, I was thinking I can have you girls come over sometime this week at the Beauty Bar and we can teach Lisa how to put up a tree, you know, because, like, Lisa paid for somebody to do that tree, you know, and it was actually Frankie's idea because we could have a happy hour, you know, but if you're gonna fight, don't do it in front of Frankie, Please. Promise me right now we're not gonna fight in front of a game. Please.

[Ben Mandelker]

So everything's going nicely. People are being silly, Larson, Gertie are being. Being silly. And then Lisa's with Larsa. Lisa's like, wow, everyone's getting along. Which is. It's always when the moment someone says that on any of these shows, that's the moment that the villagers close all the shutters and, like, turn off the lights and lock the doors.

[Ronnie]

So Lisa and Lars are hugging and boob touching and stuff. And Julie is like, oh, my God, can I tell you I'm so loving you hugging. But, you know, I miss Adriana. I think her standing there, and I miss her so much, which is why I never call her, reach out to her, ask her to be godparent of my child and have befriended her two worst enemies. So I just miss it so much.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then they all go like, Larsa and Adriana. Larsa pulls Adriana because she has to get Adriana more angry about the. The cake. So they pull over and then Kiki is confided to Gertie and Alexia about the cake. She's explained she's how like, she feels really bad. It came across as shady and she's trying to be. Have light, you know, like, try to bring light to it. And everything was fine. It all was. It's all dancing. And that was the goal. And I'm like, that's fine, Kiki, but you. You really need to go tell Adriana this because you're running out of time and.

[Ronnie]

No, what happens? Do it immediately. Do it immediately. Right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wrong people. So then they're sitting down and Lisa goes, guys, so Adriana, Julia was having a conversation and she was saying how much she misses you. And she's saying that she misses you so much. Like, she misses hugging the way Larsa and I hug. Come on, hug. It's like, yes. At that moment when I saw YouTube Boob the Boob. I do. I go to goat of. I was like, oh, I thought about you, Adriana.

[Ronnie]

Oh, that's like, great. That's like, great. And, like, really, like, touching. Like. But you know what? Let me ask you a question. Like, who put the math equation on the birthday cake? Like, cuz, like, that was math and it was really, like, hard. Like. And I just need to know the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Insincerity of this moment. Of, like, let's put. Let's pull Adriana and. And Julia together to remind them that they can be great friends. But let's also, like, talk about that icing that we think that Julia did to get at you, Adriana. Yes, exactly. Oh, yeah, but. But Kiki did it. Kiki did it. And Lar's like, what? That. But like, we were gonna tear them apart. Like, what? Kiki did it. Like, yeah, well, you weren't supposed to say it out loud, though.

[Ronnie]

But she should. Like, no, like. And Adriana's like, that was shady. Really. Kiki hurting me once wasn't enough. So then we see the clip of stopping, so. Ratchet. Did you just call me ratchet? You're too old to be talking like this to people. This is ageism.

[Ben Mandelker]

We see the flashlight that moment every time they show Kiki saying, you are too old to be talking like this. I was like, it's so good every time. So mean.

[Ronnie]

So she's like, you really have to put your meanness in writing. So she's like, talk about my art, talk about my music. Don't talk about my age. Oh, really? Someone talks about your art and your music, and you're going to be okay with that? Come on. Like, normally I'm not such a sensitive person. Right, babe? Right, Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I just don't know why she would do that. Like, why would you do that? Well, I don't think Kiki did it in a mean way, but there's, like, no other way to say it. Like, Julia Stop talking. There's, like, no other way. Larsa. There is another way, actually. You're being an. Because you are. You're trying to get Adriana mad. And, like, there is a way where, like. Like, anyone could see that. Like. Like. Like, if that's written on a cake. Yes. It could have been, like, done in a bitchy way, but I think most people would give a friend a benefit of the doubt and say, oh, they were trying to make a joke that didn't land. But Lars is like, no, that cannot happen whatsoever. She's like, yeah, she, like, already called you old. Do you remember that? Or do you not remember because you're so old? Is your memory going. Sorry.

[Ronnie]

So, yeah, so Julie is like, well, you know, this was maybe a conversation. Conscious. Conscious equation. And do you remember when you were, like, tipsy telling Marisol about her knees, though? Adriana, Check. But I'm older than Marisol, and that was okay because Marisol and I go a long way. It's different. It's different when I'm age shaming someone. No, it's not, really. You're being a hypocrite, and you're being a baby about this cake. Just.

[Ben Mandelker]

You really are. Okay. Yeah. So you can't be sad about your age and then also not act it. Okay.

[Ronnie]

But then we get a flashback of my favorite part of the season, and off you old, get plastic surgery on your wrinkled knees because they need it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you're defending Kiki. It was great. You're defending Kiki. I said the Marisol. You're. You're defending her. Like, that's why. That's why. When you ask me why I'm not close to you anymore, that's because you're defending Marisol and Kiki. She's like, oh, my God, you know what? Maybe I'm not so close to you anymore because you're pushing me away. Because it is so difficult to be around you. Like, no, because you're so close to them now. She's like, no, because you're difficult. You're not fun anymore. Ooh. That's when someone's already feeling sensitive about their age, and you say, you're not fun anymore after the birthday.

[Ronnie]

Julia. Oh, my God, Julia. So she's like, but you're defending everyone else except me. She goes. And Lisa's like, oh, I'm just happy it's not us, honey. And Lars is like, yeah, same. Like, love you. Glad I started this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I know. Oh, Adriana's telling us that. My best friend air quotes. Julia Always side with people that I'm having problem with. But you're always having problems with people, Adriana. Okay. Yeah. But that being said, I mean, we all acknowledge and we've seen that Julia basically sold out her friendship with Adriana to be in with the cool kids. But that being said, Julia's like, you know, I have her back all the time at my own experience, at the risk of losing some new friends of the group. And we do see a montage of Julia really having Adrianna's back a lot. And we also see I had totally forgotten how Julia, like, poured a bowl of ice like Marisol at one point.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she tried it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I guess that's sort of her thing.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, that's her thing. So then, yeah, we see all these clips of her going hard, but of course, that was last year. So the argument isn't that she didn't do it, it's that she doesn't do it anymore. So Julie is like, but now I see red flag. Red flag that I've not seen over the last few years. And so now Adriana's like, it's not okay. It's not okay to have prejudice. It's not okay. Like, what? So now it's starting to turn. This is starting to go into a weird place. Like, I don't know what she was even meaning with that. So now Alexia, at this point, right? So Alexia comes over to comfort Kiki over the cake, and she's like, once you say your true intentions and you explain it, like, there's nothing to argue about. About. So just do it. Surely she'll be very calm and accepting when you go talk to her.

[Ben Mandelker]

And if Adriana had said, kiki, I can't believe you wrote that on the cake. That was so mean. Kiki might have been able to explain her side and whatever, but instead, Adriana goes like. She goes to, like, the. The nas, not the nasty place. But she's like, can Carol, am I racist? She takes it to the next level of like, we don't have to bring race into this. She goes, daryl, am I racist? No, you're not. Who says that you're a racist? Well, Kiki is telling me and calling me a racist, and he doesn't realize I have black friends.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my gosh. So now that we know that, first of all, we know they didn't call her racist. They didn't even say problematic. They didn't even. They didn't even say as much as we did. I mean, I was like, that is shitty. You can't Just be calling a black woman ratchet. Like, they didn't even go that far. They just said, ratchet's not a nice word, basically. But whatever. She's gotten in her head that she. Because she knows someone obviously explained to her at some point, when you call a black woman ratchet, that is problematic. You can't do that. And so now she's like, oh, so they're gonna try and cancel me and make this that I was calling her a word. I didn't call her. I was saying wretched. Okay? I still think she was saying ratchet. Like, I don't care. But even if she did say ratchet, I think that it would be. I think it would be understandable if she said, look, I said ratchet. It's something I hear all the time, like, slaying. I didn't. I wasn't aware that it was. Was offensive to black women. I just thought it was, like, a general diss, right? That would have been acceptable. But then she's making it like, no, I said wretched because that's such a normal thing to call people to the whole thing. But then coming back. So I think she's been festering, thinking, oh, my God, they've been calling. They tried to insinuate that I was being racist, and they're going to try to cancel me. And that's why she's been so sad, because after that episode, they went. They did the Bravo fan fest thing, and now out there on the boat, and she's not talking, and I think she's like, oh, great. If I open my mouth, they're gonna try and come for me and call me a racist.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's exactly right. That's a really good point. So then Adrian is like, no, they're mentioning my age. You know, they're shaming my age because I use the word ratchet. Like, what? Rats? Russia? What? I was like. So then Carol goes, ratchet is a word for everybody. It has. Has nothing to do with racism. So don't let anybody make you feel that way. You know, you're not. You know what I mean? I mean, look around you. All your friends are chocolate sisters. And Adrian's like, see, I have black friends. I was like, not the strongest. Like, not the strongest case here.

[Ronnie]

Anytime somebody is called racist or problematic and immediately goes, I'm not racist. I have a black friend. My black friend never thinks I'm ra. I'm dating a black person. How dare you breath like, oh, my God, it's just so cringy. And I hate this for Adriana. I hate this.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. She's like, kiki, you're calling me a racist because I use the word ratchet. So Carol has some words from you, black friend. Would you like to say something? It's basically like a black person has my back. Would you like to say. It was like, so. Like, it was so cringy. And he's like, who called you racist? You did. She said, who told you I called you racist? Because. Because you are saying that I called you ratchet. She goes, I never said you're racist. Tell her. Tell her, Carol. Tell her what ratchet means. It's, like, so insulting. And then Kiki is turning to Gertie, and she's like. She says, I call her racists. And Gertie's like, who? What? Huh? What, huh? What huh? And they're both like, so.

[Ronnie]

Gertie is like, so, wait, she called you a racist? And Adriana goes, yes. And Gertie says, when? When? When? Tonight. Did this happen tonight? Did it happen after I stuck the landing or before I stuck the landing? Because there's, like, two times in history. Tonight. Okay, when did this happen? And she's like, when I used the word ratchet, I meant miserable.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kiki's like, I'm not gonna deal with this. He was like, ready to apologize. And she's like, oh, no. Now you're gonna. You're gonna take it to this level. I'm not dealing with this. Yeah, she just walks away.

[Ronnie]

She just walks out because Adriana is losing her now, and she's, like, yelling about this, and she's like, no, she thinks there's a racial connection, which I did not use, by the way. She says I meant miserable. Well, that's not what wretched means either. So Kiki does it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You could say it. I think miserable and wretched are.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, close enough. Okay, I rescind. So Gertie's like, okay, I understand. And she's like, no, it was not racial. So Kiki's like, I never called her racist. Like, I don't know where she got that from. I don't even understand. Like, I don't think anyone in this group is racist. And she's like, oh, you know what? Had Carol been sitting at that table, and if. If I use that word, would take it personally. Carol, say it as a black person. Carol's like, no, Carol.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, it's fine if Carol doesn't. It's fine if Carol doesn't, because you have a different relationship with Carol, just as you previously said. Previously said about five seconds ago. How, like, it's one thing if you age shame Marisol. It's different than if Kiki age shames you because you have a different relationship. But, like, context always matters in these things. It's just, like, not uniform. And, like, Carol's experience may be one thing, and Carol may receive it in a different way. But, like, you have a different context with Carol. You have a 17 year long context with her in a way that you don't with with Kiki. And also, like, the surrounding conversation about it is different. Is different. The point is Adriana's being ridiculous. And she could have just said, well, I thought we had settled this. Why did you make fun of my age on that cake? But I think, like, I think you. Your theory is very strong, which is that Adriana is living in fear of, quote, unquote, cancel culture. And she's been festering, and then she's angry about it. She's angry that she's gonna get canceled, and she's worked up this whole thing in her head, and now she's like, it's the last straw. I can't deal with it anymore. And I've got brought proof that you can't cancel me. And no one's. And meanwhile, everyone's like, we weren't going.

[Ronnie]

Literally, no one was doing that. Oh, my gosh. And so she's like, okay, well, I want Carol, who's a black woman, in case you didn't notice, who I love and adore, to give her position on the this. Give her a microphone. Get Carol up.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Gertie is sitting there, like, she's telling us she's, like, a little bit less. Like. Like, everyone's like, okay, say less.

[Ronnie]

I love you, but stay less.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Kiki does her. Like, every season, Kiki does something that's like, wait, what? And Kiki goes out to the street. She walks up to, like, an Amazon truck, and she's like, I need help. I need to get out of here. Give me a ride.

[Ronnie]

Was it production? I didn't know what that was, but I love the idea that it's an amaz on driver. And she's like, please, I'm a model. Please help. They're like, okay, ma', am, get on in.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I thought this only happened in the movies. There's always, like, a movie where some regular person is there and the model has to. I mean, it's Notting Hill. It's like, I need to get away. Take me wherever.

[Ronnie]

That's pretty person privilege Totally. Like, I need to go somewhere. You'll take me, right? I'm beautiful. They're like, sure, get on in.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Julia is like, where did she go? She disappeared on some kind of magic. She went out to street where there are lots of cars and cabs, and she disappeared. It's like, yeah, she got a ride. So Adrian's like, I don't care about the cake. I care about being called racist. Because what I meant was R W R E T C H E D, which means miserable. Ratchet. Okay, okay, yes, yes. When. Yes, you show me the. The definition, you know, But. And Larson was like, yeah. She also speaks five different languages. Like, so, like, that's my point about something.

[Ronnie]

You know what? There's like, math on cake, and I think we need to talk about that.

[Ben Mandelker]

When I went downstairs, she's gone. I look everywhere. She's. She basically left. She's basically my daughter at this point, just nowhere to be found.

[Ronnie]

Why are you protecting her instead of me? You're supposed to be my best friend.

[Ben Mandelker]

That Martina. I mean, sorry. My God, Martina. I can't believe I just called you Martina when you're just not nearly as sexy as she is. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

Really? Really? You're not even worried about my feelings? She called me racist, and I have to call Carol to have my back and not you. How about that? How about what a good friend you are? Oh, yeah. And Julie's like, oh, the problem is she feels like everyone has bad intentions, and that's just not the true. She's like, oh, she's trying to get me canceled and get me in trouble and calling me a racist. Carol, who has been my black friend longer than you've been my non black friend, knows who I am.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is exactly what everyone for years was warning me about, and I refuse to listen.

[Ronnie]

I'm ready to go.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think actually. I think Julia is actually right about something. I do think that Adriana, because of whatever her past experiences and life. Life. Does think that everyone has the worst intentions. And what's more problematic is that she just naturally assumes that Kiki is trying to get her canceled. And actually, Kiki was not trying to do that at all. Kiki was merely trying to be like, hey, what you said right there, that's wrong. It's up. It's problematic. And the fact that Adriana has now imposed this mindset. She's added this thing like, oh, well, she wants to get me canceled. She wants to remove me. She wants to get me fired. Fired. The fact that she has now Placed this, like, malevolent scheme on Kiki is. That is actually really offensive. And that. That is what's more. I think, actually almost even more racist. I mean, I don't know. I'm a white guy, but like. Like, it's. It's. That is really the offensive thing when someone's just trying to say, hey, don't call me that. Because that's like. That, like, upsets me. There's a lot of connotation attached to what you just said. And Adriana takes it as like, now look at. At her trying to scheme her Scheme. Scheme her way and get me off this show.

[Ronnie]

Well, it's almost like that happened in that. That argument happened. The wretched ratchet thing happened. They had the apology and the I'm sorry for calling you old. And then she thought, okay, well, maybe I can let this go. And then is immediately like, oh, now she's me with me for a cake. So she is still coming for me. She is going to come for me and they're going to call me race, you know, who knows? But whatever is going on in her head, this was a terrible episode for her. Oh, my God, this was just so cringy and so hard to watch. I was like, you. You've been doing so well all season. Why? Why?

[Ben Mandelker]

As Adriana, you can't. She can't do well.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, but Adriana usually has some kind of fun aspect to her fights. Like she's so campy and ridiculous and that her fights are usually kind of funny. But this is just.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, no, girl.

[Ronnie]

No. Well, no, but good episode as usual. So we'll be back next week with the season finale of Real Housewives of Me. Jam Jams.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, we will be there. And thanks, everyone, for being here today. And we will see you all at crappy hour tonight. Bye, everyone.

[Ronnie]

Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

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