#3010 RHOSLC S602 Part One: Gout of Bounds

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3010: RHOSLC S602 Part One: Gout of Bounds

Date: September 24, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Main Topic: Recap and critique of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Season 6 Episode 2 (“Law and Out of Order”)

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie return with their signature humor and deep-dive recap, lampooning and analyzing all the chaos, ridiculousness, and emotional turmoil from RHOSLC’s latest episode. The focus this week is on the Housewives’ disastrous RV camping trip, Heather’s “empty nest” storyline, and a bubbling feud over Lisa Barlow’s lawsuits. As always, the duo balance playful mocking with genuine insights, starring memorable tangents and quotables.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Opening Banter & Podcast Housekeeping

[02:13–04:44]

• Ben thanks listeners for Crappy Hour engagement and apologizes for previous microphone problems (“One day, y’all, in, the next day, you’re out.” – [04:15]).
• Ronnie riffs on potential podcasting gear disasters, mock-commiserating.

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2. Recapping the RHOSLC Camping Debacle

[04:37–16:26]

The Threat of the 'Slut Killer' Ghost

• The episode picks up from last week’s "ghostly" cliffhanger.
  • “When we left, everybody was scared that they were going to be killed by the Slut Killer of Salt Lake City, whatever her name is.” – Ronnie [05:16]
  • Ben and Ronnie riff on Bravo’s hypothetical willingness to let a ghost kill an entire cast for ratings.

RV Life & Rural Woes

• The housewives face camping challenges: No Keurig, hot dogs with no buns, hamburger buns with no hamburgers, asparagus and nothing to cook them with.
  • “There should be a Keurig on that thing. Because that is like a luxury RV.” – Ben [08:34]
• Cows across the river become a source of comic relief, leading to an extended bit about a potential "Real Housewives of Cow Lake City."

Breakfast Fiasco

• The group attempts to eat steak out of paper bowls with no steak knives.
  • “Why are you bringing steaks and the only thing you can eat them out of is a paper bowl? Come on.” – Ronnie [11:29]
  • Mary critiques Bronwyn’s steak-cooking skills, while Heather laments the effects of Botox on her ability to spit, leading to a tangent about Tinder profiles and “chiclets.”

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3. Emotional Storylines: Parenting & Empty Nesting

[16:26–31:55]

Heather’s Empty Nest Crisis

• Heather launches into a raw, long monologue about her daughter leaving for college, feeling like a failure, and her Mormon upbringing’s residual guilt.
  • “Are we really sitting through another Mormon trauma storyline from Heather Gay?” – Ben [16:59]
  • “Heather's isn't [empty nesting]; she's just like, ‘Thank God my kids are gone. I can't wait to not be their mother anymore.’” – Ronnie [17:56]

Group Tension: Parenting Styles

• Bronwyn shares her own maternal insecurities, admitting she moved her daughter’s boyfriend in so her daughter wouldn’t leave.
  • “I'm just not ready to be done. My insecurity is, I haven't done enough with Gwen yet...” – Bronwyn (quoted by Ben) [25:58]
• Heather takes Bronwyn’s comments as implied criticism, creating unnecessary drama by projecting her own guilt.
  • “So I didn't do it your way, so now I want to murder my children.” – Ronnie, parodying Heather [27:02]

Whitney Inserts Her Storyline

• Whitney, mid-argument, pivots to her business failures and lost dream to be a stay-at-home mom.
  • “This whole crisis of failure of my business has really made me just want to be home with my kids.” – Ben as Whitney [27:23]

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4. Real-Life Struggles: Mary’s Son and Family Chaos

[29:29–31:55]

• Mary gives a somber update about her son Robert’s troubles, referencing recent real-life headlines.
• Ben and Ronnie debate the family’s convoluted history (“That whole thing is a mess.” – Ronnie [30:21]), with a running gag about the “anti van” ready for interventions.

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5. Getting Stuck – Both Literally and Metaphorically

[32:09–34:41]

• The Housewives’ RV gets stuck in the mud as they leave the campsite, providing a perfect visual metaphor for their personal and group issues.
  • “If this show hasn't gone low rent enough, the RV gets stuck in the snow in a hole. Talk about a metaphor.” – Ben [32:39]
• Mary refuses to help push the RV, with Ronnie applauding her boundaries.

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6. Shifting Gears – Return to Civilization & Subplots

[35:56–39:54]

• Ben and Ronnie note how much of Salt Lake’s charm is seeing Housewives in their strangely mundane settings, poking fun at local restaurants and suburban quirks.
• Angie's “Greek” parenting and pet jokes continue.
  • “She wants to go see her boyfriend across the park... ‘That’s a girl, Mom.’ ‘Then she is a lesbian. We will go get her a lesbian dog. Greek Greek Greek…’” – Ronnie [36:25]

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7. Lisa Barlow’s Lawsuit Drama

[39:55–56:04]

• Heather meets Lisa for lunch at Marco’s Bistro, finally bringing Lisa physically into the season.
  • Describes Lisa as out-of-place at the local restaurant, with a scene-stealing waiter and a disapproving onlooker called out by the hosts.
• Lisa reacts with shock to the camping RV story and is clueless about the "ghost" drama.

Bronwyn’s Research “Betrayal”

• Heather warns Lisa that Bronwyn brought up her lawsuits on the cast trip.
  • “Bronwyn just dropped that she had been doing all this research on your businesses and your lawsuits. I’m like, this is also. This is a misrepresentation. Like, maybe Bronwyn has researched, but, like, also, it was in the newspaper.” – Ben [43:27]
  • “If something is in the newspaper, I think it really should be more like, get this: Bronwyn still uses legacy media.” – Ben [43:41]

Comparisons to Beverly Hills and Housewives Research

• Ben and Ronnie recall a similar fight from Beverly Hills (“How dare you do research on me!”) and roast Kyle for being scandalized by newsprint.

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8. Analysis & Alliance Games

[45:42–49:22]

• Ronnie recaps the complicated Lisa vs. Bronwyn dynamic: how last season's drama has now escalated into public attacks over legal dramas.
  • “It’s just so hard to pick a side. It’s like you have to stick with whatever the most recent shitty thing is. And I think Bronwyn kind of won this episode.” – Ronnie [47:32]
• Ben agrees, noting that Bronwyn “blazed this episode”—though he and Ronnie remain Lisa Barlow fans.

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9. Lisa’s Defense and the “Dismissed Lawsuits” Debate

[50:00–53:51]

• Lisa downplays the lawsuits, calls them “dismissable,” and claims it comes with being successful.
  • “Anyone with half a brain would know a dismissed lawsuit is like, Nothing. It’s, like, dismissed. Like, no one sues the bottom bitch. They all go for the top.” – Lisa (via Ben) [50:00]
• They riff on Lisa’s odd confessional makeup and presentation as a sign she’s “in trouble” this season.

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10. Meta Housewives Commentary

[54:13–57:52]

• Heather claims she’s Lisa’s only defender, which Ben says is another strategic Housewives move—she's stirring trouble under the guise of peacemaking.
  • “She already broke everything in the first place.” – Ben [57:11]
• The duo predict Lisa is prepping to go on offense against the other Housewives, thanks to this public shaming over her legal woes.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Bravo’s disregard for safety and ratings stunts:
  “Yeah, you never know what Bravo might do for ratings. I wouldn’t put it past Bravo to, like, you know, as a rating stunt, we just let a ghost kill our entire cast.” – Ben [05:59]

• On the hopeless camping trip:
  “They got hot dogs with no buns, hamburger buns with no hamburgers, and asparagus with no way to cook them, you know? So I guess a Keurig is just really a bridge too far.” – Ben [08:53]

• On Heather’s “empty nest” monologue:
  “Thank God my kids are gone. I can’t wait to not be their mother anymore. It has been exhausting having to be there every single day for those little bitches.” – Ronnie [17:56]

• On Housewives eating steak out of a bowl:
  “This was like the steak version [of hell], I think, that just happened all across America this morning when people woke up and realized they weren’t raptured.” – Ronnie [13:39]

• On Lisa’s lawsuits:
  “Like, Lisa has dismissed cases. Like, obviously that’s—they’re not that bright. Because anyone with half a brain would know a dismissed lawsuit is like: Nothing.” – Ben [50:00]

• On Housewives research scandals:
  “If something is in the newspaper, I think it really should be more like, ‘Get this: Bronwyn still uses legacy media.’” – Ben [43:41]

• On RVs and symbolism:
  “If this show hasn’t gone low rent enough, the RV gets stuck in the snow in a hole. Talk about a metaphor.” – Ben [32:39]

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Timestamps of Major Segments

• 02:13 – Opening banter, technical apologies, show reminders
• 04:37 – Recap begins: The RV camping trip and “Slut Killer” ghost
• 08:15 – Keurig and food complaints
• 11:29 – Breakfast struggles, steak fiasco
• 16:26 – Heather’s “empty nest” storyline
• 25:06 – Bronwyn & Gwen, differing parenting approaches
• 27:23 – Whitney’s business/parenting interlude
• 29:29 – Mary’s son, Robert, and family drama
• 32:09 – RV stuck: Literal and metaphorical low point
• 35:56 – Housewives back in suburbia
• 39:55 – Lisa’s restaurant entrance, lawsuit tension
• 43:27 – Bronwyn exposes Lisa’s lawsuits; Heather’s double talk
• 47:32 – Ronnie’s breakdown of Lisa vs. Bronwyn feud
• 50:00 – Lisa’s defense: “Dismissed lawsuits”
• 57:22 – Heather shifting to peacemaker role
• 58:03 – Outro to Part One

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Tone & Format

Ben and Ronnie bring their trademark mix of sharp satire, in-joke-driven commentary, and genuine Bravo fandom. The episode is a blend of absurdist meta-humor, comedic voices, and snarky analysis—impossible to replicate but instantly recognizable to Crappens fans.

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Final Thoughts

This episode spotlights RHOSLC’s ability to turn even a clumsy, muddy camping trip into a (paper-)plateful of comedy and social commentary, thanks in no small part to Ben and Ronnie’s rapid-fire wit. Whether you missed the Bravo episode or just want to relive it through laughter, this Crappens recap captures every awkward meal, lawsuit subtweet, and Housewife hissy fit—complete with stakes as raw as their breakfast.

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Listen for Next Time

Stay tuned for Part Two of the recap, covering more fallout from Lisa’s legal drama and deeper trips into Salt Lake's social politics.

Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

What happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Crap Ins A podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today is the wonderful, hilarious, glorious sexy Ronnie Garum. How are you Ronnie?

[Ronnie Chieng]

That's me. Hi Ben, how are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Doing pretty well. Excited that Salt Lake City Day Varsity Level Housewives show that we are about to start. Our recap for just in one second. First, a reminder that not only do we have a Patreon, but we also do a weekly bonus episode. And this week's bonus episode is a cast breakdown of the Great British Bake off. Because why not? We, we actually recapped that early yesterday and we did a little cast, cast, cast breakdown and had a lot of fun with it. So if you are a big baking fan or you know people that are, go check that out on Patreon. And we also have video there, so you can watch us on video, which is really fun. By the way, thank you to everyone who showed up to Crappy Hour earlier this week. We had a lot of fun talking about Bravo, headlines, etc. We do that every other week and we alternate that with going on Amazon Live. So that'll be coming up on Monday. So that's all the exciting stuff to talk about. Oh, and by the way, thank you to everyone who had to endure the annoying nuisance of my microphone over the. Over the. Over Orange county and Miami. Apologies. I don't know what was going on, but let me tell you something. I ditched that microphone. I, I, I ditched it. I got rid of it. I got a new one. I think it was a mic issue. This rode podmic USB garbage. So it is out one day, y' all, in the next day, you're out. So goodbye rode pod mic. You are no longer welcome here on this podcast. Thanks. But seriously, thanks, sorry, sorry to everyone. That, that was super annoying to you. Got a lot of people who were like, oh, my God, your microphone. I thought it was my AirPods. No, it was me. It was me.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Well, hey, maybe you sold a bunch of new AirPods, so that's good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, maybe. But I'll tell you one thing. That microphone is not going on to my Amazon Amazon. It's not going on to our Amazon live anytime soon, I'll tell you that much. If anyone is trying to start up a podcast.

[Ronnie Chieng]

All right, here we are with some Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Season 6, Episode 2, Law and Out of Order. They should have just called this episode Gout Dick sucker and been done with it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Oh, that's what I was trying to think of. I have to think of a name for the episode. And I was like, what, what was the thing? What, what, what is the gout? It's going to be a gap pun. Everyone who knows the form. One day. Maybe it's. Maybe it's what I just said.

[Ronnie Chieng]

One day. You're in there. Yeah, you're gout. That's true.

[Ben Mandelker]

One day you're in, the next day you're gout.

[Ronnie Chieng]

One day you're in, one day you are gout.

[Ben Mandelker]

Down and out. Down and gout of Beverly Hills, Salt Lake City.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Okay? So when we left, everybody was scared that they were going to be killed by the Slut Killer of Salt Lake City, whatever her name is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Slut shaming ghost. I'm like, hello, it's 2025. Ghosts. Stop with the slut shaming.

[Ronnie Chieng]

But. And my favorite part was that was, of course, Meredith taking it so seriously. Like, I have to get back to my family. I have a child. And, like, legit freaking out. But guess what? Everybody's fine. They lived. It was a shocker. And Meredith tells us they're not gonna let us die. It's a too big of a liability for the network.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you never know what Bravo might do for ratings. I wouldn't put a best Bravo's like, you know what if we did, as a rating stunt, we just let a ghost kill our entire cast. Well, I guess that could be kind of fun.

[Ronnie Chieng]

The next chapter in the Bravo reckoning. They murdered us. Leah Sweeney's like, I was murdered. Leah Sweeney is suing as a ghost. Bravo murdered me in a Salt Lake City episode. I'm not even on that fucking show.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is a crisis, okay? This is unsafe work environment. They literally are having ghosts kill us. We're being hunted by ghosts. It's not right. We're taking it to the courts. We're gonna sue a ghost.

[Ronnie Chieng]

It's just Ramona. The whole time, the slut killer. It's always been Ramona. She's like, you know what? You're a loose girl. That's it. You know what? I think girls should have manners. Okay? So I was raised, sorry, sir, you're going to have to die now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you a slutty. You're a slutty girl in Salt Lake, and you shouldn't be messing up the heels of Provo, okay? Because I remember this one time when I was a little girl, my father's best friend, Geraldine Parson Smith, said, you know what? You're a loose girl, and you need to get yourself in order. And to this day, I've never been able to be slutty, okay? I've never been able to do it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But that's just the truth.

[Ronnie Chieng]

I feel bad for even having to come to Slut Lake City, okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry.

[Ronnie Chieng]

So everybody's waking up in their rv and Whitney's like, are you ready to Go brush your teeth down by the river. They're like, no. She's like, that's what you do. It's like, I know that Whitney does that at home, too. She just walks down to that little pond thing behind her house. It's just like, brush.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she little. Little known fact that is the go down to the river to brush your teeth is actually the original lyrics for down to the river to pray. As I went down to the river to brush my teeth. Studying about that good old way. Just imagining Whitney singing an old hymn. An old hymn about brushing her teeth.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Whitney just loves the outdoors. She's got a pole out there coming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Out of the pond. Where art thou?

[Ronnie Chieng]

So Meredith is like, is there a coffee maker or a cappuccino maker on here? She's like, this is not the Four Seasons, Meredith. Listen, a Keurig is not too much to ask. Get a fucking Keurig. You're in an rv, for Christ's sake. You can have a bed, you can have a microwave. You can have a Keurig. Get a Keurig.

[Ben Mandelker]

There should be a Keurig on that thing. Because that is like a luxury rv. If you've got an RV that can fit, like, all those adults and their housewives and it can be kind of lux, there should be room for, like, a little baby Keurig.

[Ronnie Chieng]

I'm gonna say Salt Lake City, and you guys are low budget and community theater, but still, you can at least give people a Keurig, for Christ's sake. Get some Quest coffee in the fridge.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. This was unfortunately a poorly conceived trip based on the fact that they got hot dogs with no buns, hamburger buns with no hamburgers, and asparagus with no way to cook them, you know? So I guess a Keurig is just really a bridge too far.

[Ronnie Chieng]

So they go outside and they. They. I'm not sure if they're not allowed to talk about cows. Like, if cows are branded a certain way here that they're not allowed to mention them. But it's weird because they go out and there's a bunch of cows across the little river thing. And they're like, wow, it's animals. Wow, it is animals. Come look at the animals and animals. It's like, you can call them cows. I mean, are we not allowed to say cows anymore? What is 2025 done to us?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Seriously. It's like on baking, the baking show, when they couldn't say Marmite. They're like yeasts. Yeast extract. It's like, no, you can say you can say cow. You could. It's. No. I'm not allowed to. As part of the conditions of me settling Whitney Rose into bankruptcy, I had to give up the word cow. It's like, what? What are you talking about? You exploited my cowgina.

[Ronnie Chieng]

There are a bunch of animals out here. And Angie said, do you think they are saying the same thing about us? Mary's like, no, that was funny because, you know, the cows are. They're like, me. Look at these crazy witches out here. What are these ladies doing? What are they wearing?

[Ben Mandelker]

You are selling those cows short. Those are bravo F. And like, oh, my God. Icon. Meredith Marks. Icon.

[Ronnie Chieng]

You said my husband was gay.

[Ben Mandelker]

What if they're just like. What if they're just like, the cow Salt Lake City, like, on. In on Cow Housewives? It's like they. They. You know how they, like, do the traders in the same castle for both UK and the US like the cow? They're like, it's like, I heard that. I heard that Clara Bell has four lawsuits against her.

[Ronnie Chieng]

I hope you come to my book opening for the good Moomin, the bad Moomin. Sorry I fucked up my dad joke.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're always waiting for Lisa Holstein. Little crossover. Crossover with a Real Housewives of Miami. Cow.

[Ronnie Chieng]

So they start making breakfast and, you know, bad choices for breakfast, too. Why are you bringing steaks? Why? You're bringing steaks and the only thing you can eat them out of is a paper bowl. Come on. So they make breakfast, and Whitney and Heather brush their, you know, dentures or whatever those things are. They're implants. What do you call them? Not dentures. That's rude. I'm older than them anyway.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chiclets.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Tic Tacs. Yeah. They're cleaning their implants.

[Ben Mandelker]

Scrabble. Scrabble pieces. Okay.

[Ronnie Chieng]

And Heather's like, I have no ability to spit. It's crazy. I lost that when I botoxed my upper lip. So, I mean, spitting was kind of my thing, but now I can't even spit.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I can. It's no longer on my Tinder profile. I'm like, is there a Tinder profile even in the first place? But at this point. So then Bronwyn is cooking the steak, and Mary's like, bronwyn, do you not know how to cook steak? I don't even think you eat steak, do you? She's like, mary, no, I don't. I don't cook anything. No, I don't. That is absolutely very true. I have Christian Siriano cook it for me. That is true.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Mary's like, I can tell by the way you're digging at that steak. Damn. Mary's pretty harsh, but she's also not able to eat the steak. Like, she has a whole moment where she's like, how am I supp. How am I supposed to. I can't. Can't eat. It's a bowl. It's a paper. Plastic. It's paper. But. But.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you don't have a steak knife. Like, it is. Actually. It's. You remember that commercial for milk where the guy, he, like, he gets hit by, like a. He's like this asshole and he is across the street gets hit by a bus, and then he winds up and he's like, in this room, and there's all these cookies. He's like, oh, my God, I went to heaven. I can't believe it. They actually accepted me in heaven. And he just was eating this big, glorious cookie. And then he reaches for the milk, and all the milk containers are empty, and he realizes he's actually in hell. I think this was like. This was like the steak version, I.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Think that just happened all across America this morning when people woke up and realized they weren't raptured. I felt bad for so many people on TikTok who were like, we are out. We are being raptured today. And I just wanted to say bye to everybody. There's one I sent you yesterday with this lady who's like, guys, this is my last TikTok because I'm so blessed. The rapture is happening tonight, and I am just so grateful to be taken. And all of you who are seeing this, you were not raptured, and I'm so sorry for you. But you know what? At least you can just go on and do all the sins you want to keep doing. So, like, dead serious. What? What the fuck? I was almost disappointed that nobody was raptured when I woke up. I mean, that would definitely make dinner conversations, the holidays, a lot easier. You know what I mean? I'm like, oh, my God, you're all still here. I had a text from family this morning. I was like, oh, my God, they didn't take you. I thought there was a bus waiting for you people.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think the tariffs were just too high for the rapture. Like, I think we're going to cancel shipping on this. I think we're going to cancel shipping to hit to heave. Okay, Shipping is. Shipping is.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Listen here. He's like, listen here, Jesus. Listen here, Jesus. We're going to charge you 30% over to take these people up to heaven. He's like, I'm sorry, but I'm, like, notoriously poor.

[Ben Mandelker]

So unfortunately, all the escalators up to heaven stopped. There was a little bit of an issue and have to look into that.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Poor things. They just woke up today because, you know, they woke up today and there's just empty milk cartons everywhere. And they're like, oh, my God. Actually, in hell. Yes, you are, because you drank all your milk yesterday because you thought your ass was being raptured. Guess what? You're not. Now you have to go to the store and show your stupid face while you buy more milk.

[Ben Mandelker]

What a strange final terrestrial act to do. It's like, well, I'm about to be raptured. Let me drink a lot of milk.

[Ronnie Chieng]

I would do that. That's what I would do. Dairy and carbs. That's it. It's like, he's coming. I would definitely go straight to the dairy and the carbs. There would be a lot of bagels and cream cheese hanging out of my mouth.

[Ben Mandelker]

100. Because that's not simple. It just tastes good. So, yeah, Bronwyn's basically saying, yeah, I don't know how to. I don't know how to cook steak. So now they're sitting around and they're trying to eat this steak out of these bowls. Like, this entire camping trip is actually low key. Very frustrating to watch because they're so inept at it. And Heather's like, this place feels like I could bring the girls up here, rent an RV and, like, have a whole experience. I'm like, you just spent the past episode talking about how there was some prude ghosts trying to kill young women, and now you're like, it's a great place for my girls. No. No, it's not.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Yeah. So she says she's gonna rent a whole experience. We could fish, but it's too late now because Annabelle's leaving, and so everybody's just kind of looking at her. And Angie goes, do you mean she's going off to college? She's like, yeah, she's the last kid in the house. Wait for it. Everybody have a very touching monologue coming about empty nest syndrome. It's kind of a storyline, so. All right, prepare yourself. Do we have any music? Do we have any? That would be great. I just brushed my teeth down the river. Did you get that? Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, America, get ready for a really compelling storyline for this season. Well, she's the last kid in the house. I can't wait for it to happen. Like, it couldn't happen soon enough for me. And I feel guilty. I just feel like she's the last part of that era of my life. And I wanted to be over with, gone, done. Like, not my relationship with her, of course, but just trying to be a family, Trying to be the mom and the dad. Hannibal actually said to me, she said, I feel like you've been in a fight or flight since dad left. And I said, I have been because it's just been like the kids can't get. Can't get screwed up. They can't get screwed up because then it'll be my fault. I'm like, are we really sitting through another Mormon trauma storyline from Heather Gay? Heather Gay who, like, writes these books about, like, bad Mormon out of the church. But then we have to sit through, like. But now people will get mad at me if I mess up my daughters. I was like, well, thank God you went on to reality tv, which always is so healthy to all the families.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Yeah, you know, she's doing the whole empty nester thing, but it's a twist on it because normally it's like, oh my God, you guys, the kids are leaving. What am I gonna do? I don't know how to live in a house anymore. Suddenly it's just all night me. And I've had my girls this whole time and now it's just me and I'm single. Like, what am I going to do? That's usually the storyline, but Heather's isn't. She's just like, thank God my kids are gone. I can't wait to not be their mother anymore. It has been exhausting having to be there every single day for those little bitches. I am so glad everyone's just kind of staring at her because it doesn't sound very sensitive. I mean, it sounds kind of mean, right? If you're watching it as her kids, to be like, geez, mom, I know. Even though. Even though that said, I understand what she's saying. Like, it's exhausting and hard. You're raising three kids on your own. And you know, I get that part of it too. But it does sound like. I think everybody who was listening to it felt the same way because they do a pan around at all the ladies sitting by the fire. They're all sitting in a circle and they're all looking at Heather like. And so she just keeps going. It's like a five minute monologue. And she's like, yeah, I was born to be a wife and a mother. And any desire to be anything outside of that was basically a sin. And I was in charge of raising the kids, and he was in charge of providing and sitting in a hot tub outside. And then when we left, I was still 100 in charge of raising the kids. I've never had one single night off. Not one night off.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're on a trip right now.

[Ronnie Chieng]

You take five years. You take trips. You take five trips a year on this show, ma'.

[Ben Mandelker]

Am. I mean. I mean, I know what she means. Like, you're a parent, right? I wonder if this is really just code for, like, I want to take in a lover and I feel guilty about having sex in my house.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Really?

[Ben Mandelker]

As simple as that? Because we have no. I mean, someone on Twitter actually pointed out that, like, we've not seen much of her romantic. We've seen nothing. We've.

[Ronnie Chieng]

The.

[Ben Mandelker]

The closest we've seen of her having any sort of romantic life was that when she, like, got horny over that guy at Jen Shaw's house in season one. And there's nothing wrong with that. I just want to also add. It's not like you. She needs to have that, but she sort of talks a game a little bit, but we don't actually see any of that. So maybe she has some sort of guilt about bringing a guy around while she's raising these daughters.

[Ronnie Chieng]

I mean, I get the impression, honestly, that she's just sick of men and their. You know, she's probably been too disappointed. I mean, and I'm probably projecting a lot of my own. My own onto her. But I'm always looked at her as kind of similar to me in that way. Just like, no more time for this. Like, I have no more time for this. But I don't know, maybe she has been hiding it, but I get what she's saying and the whole. It's been really hard and now I get to start a new chapter. But she's kind of vacillating between, like, this is great, and feeling like she should be, like, this is horrible. I don't know. It feels like trying to kind of land a storyline. And I'm like, I think so too about this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also. I've met a lot of parents who are like, oh, thank God the kids are out of the house. Like, they always, like, I think parents, my. From what I sense from. From my friends who are parents and family members is that, like, you want. You want your. Keep your kids around because it's like, you love raising your kids and it's like a special time in your life. And you know that, like, once they Go off to college. It's kind of like the. You know, it's like they're starting their real adult lives and. Etc. And so, like, you want to cling on to it, of course, because sentimental. You love your children, but there's also a feeling of like, I can do what I want now. You know, Like, I can. I can. I've done my. I've sort of. You never feel like you've done your job, but you sort of feel like, okay, I can do the things I want to do. I can go travel. I can do this and that. I can go. I can. I can see what brunch is like again, you know, and so I think Heather may be alluding to that, but she's trying to kind of like wrap it up in this, like, and like, whatever, like, tatters are left of her Mormon storylines of, like, I was raised this way in the church to be a. Of part parent. It's like, you know what? Like, okay, fine, we can. We can do this again. We can hop back onto the Mormon rodeo with you, Heather. But this one's a little. I don't know, it feels a little bit more of a reach.

[Ronnie Chieng]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Chieng]

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[Ben Mandelker]

You're not the only one. You're not the only one who has conflicted emotions about your children leaving the house. Jeez, there's a whole show about it.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Although that was. They came back, so. You should be so lucky to have Dinah man off move back into your house. Ma'. Am. Ma'. Am.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Dinah Manoff, the kid everybody's been waiting for to return Dinah Manoff. I want Dinah man off to move.

[Ben Mandelker]

In with Heather and be like, I'll be your daughter. Shoulder pads.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Look at that era. It was really, really hard. And mostly hard because I couldn't show them. It was hard. I acted like it was perfect and normal, and I was just so happy and I was fine and I loved everything I was doing, but I was gritting my teeth the whole time with those little bitches. I'm exhausted. Day in day Out. Daughters here, daughters there. Mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy. Get out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just get out. Sounds like you have put a lot of non Greek expectations on yourself.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Might I suggest Tahini? And Whitney's like, well, she didn't have a choice about it. Didn't she leave her husband or did her husband leave her? I forget about this. I forget what the story was. Did she leave her husband? I think she. Or did she. I think it was a church related thing. Right? Or the. No, she got kicked out of the church because she divorced the husband.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think there was an alien abduction that like just severed their family and they just were not able to reconcile.

[Ronnie Chieng]

An alien abduction.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Bronwyn tries to relate. Brahman goes, oh, Heather, like, obviously I took a very different track. I was also raised two parents who are still together. 50 plus years Mormon. And when I had Gwen myself, by myself, I went through the same insecurity, like, this is not how it's supposed to be happening. I was supposed to have a family. It was supposed to be marriage and a temple, all that kind of stuff. But I feel the exact opposite of Heather, you know, because Gwen's graduated in October and she needs to be leaving. And instead I moved her boyfriend into our house so she could stay longer and he could pick up the poop. Yeah, that's what I did.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Yeah. So I didn't think this was bad. No. Yeah. I think she just tells her, I didn't think it was bad. Yeah, I think she was just kind of telling her experience. But Angie goes, yeah, Heather, these should be the best years of your life. And Heather's like, I know. And that's why I feel guilty. That's why I feel guilty. I just want him out. So Bronwyn talks about her and she's talking about how she's not prepared for Gwen to move out. And then we get a clip of Gwen and the boyfriend making breakfast or something in Bronwyn's house. And Gwen has become Bronwyn. Did you notice?

[Ben Mandelker]

I same haircut.

[Ronnie Chieng]

The exact same haircut, the same posture, the same nodding while she's making an egg or whatever. She's like, yep, I'm doing a dish. I'm doing a dish right now, mother. I'm doing it right now. I don't want any lip from you about it, young lady. I'm like, oh my God, this is frightening. I mean, I get like resembling your mother in a way. I mean, let's face it, I'm a red wig away from being mine. But this was weird. Like exactly the same.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Brahman's like, I mean, what if Gwen moves out and I have, you know, all this time and space and freedom to do something fabulous with my life, and I don't make something fabulous out of my life. I don't know who I am if I'm not Gwen's mom. I'm like, I hate to break it to you, but you also have that time right now. You're wealthy. So Bronwyn says, I'm just. I'm not ready to be done. My insecurity is, I haven't done enough with Gwen yet, okay? I haven't dressed her in a hot dog dress. There's so much more to do. I need more time with her.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Quinn still has not gone to lunch wearing a bikini while it's snowing outside. And that's something, as a mother, that I just can't. Although she did lie about having a diamond necklace last week, and that made me kind of proud. So she's like, yeah, I'm insecure because I feel like I need more time with her. So Heather says, but I feel like you're saying that I don't love my kids because I want them to leave. No, she didn't say that. You are the one saying that you want your kids to leave and you feel guilty for wanting them to leave.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are we in a movie theater? Because I'm seeing a lot of projection over there in that corner. Heather. So problems. Like what? And Heather's like, I mean, I love my kids so much. So much. Because. Well, I wasn't saying that. I was saying, I wish you wouldn't question why you feel like you have to do it that way. You can do however you want, you know, however you did it, it's perfect. That's. That's what I'm trying to say to you. I wish you wouldn't question the way you did it. She's like, what are you saying that I should be questioning? Are you saying, I hate my children? Are you saying my children are just as good as those animals over there Of. Of unknown species?

[Ronnie Chieng]

Oh, so now you're accusing me, accusing me of voting for post birth abortion? Thanks a lot, Bronwyn. Thanks a lot. She's like, no, I'm not. So now you're saying I should just be able to infanticide my own teenage children? She's like, no, I'm not saying that at all. Also murder my children. That's what you're saying. I hate my children and I should disembowel them right now. Right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's Wait, it's. It's funny, Heather, because now I just want to be a stay at home mom, and I can't be. I'm actually going through the reverse. Like, this whole crisis of failure of my business has really made me just want to be home with my kids. And my business fails, and I can't be now, and I still have to figure out how to make money. Whitney just inserting her storyline into this, like, nascent fight. Heather's trying to make a fight out of nothing, and Whitney is now trying to take the nothing fight and make it her own.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Yeah, Bronwyn inserted her thought. I mean, I think they're supposed to be doing, like, you share and I share. Right? It's like a girls trip. You know, we're each sharing our feelings, but Bronwyn does it, and Heather's like, oh, really? So I didn't do it your way, so now I want to murder my children. And then Whitney's like, well, geez, Heather, all I want is to be a stay at home mom. Heather doesn't jump on her like, oh, so you're saying I didn't want to be a stay at home mom. Home mom? Like, she's not jumping on her. She's just gonna be mad at Bronwyn now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. Wait, America, listen to this. Over the last couple of months, Justin and I decided we wanted to start an adventure. Oh, wait. Aveng a venture together. So we merged Wild Rose Beauty into another entity, and we were wildly successful to start. We sold fives of things, and then business started plummeting, and then we were just trying whatever we can to make it through whatever we're calling this phase of failure.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Yeah. So we see a flashback to her crying to Justin about how it's really, really hard having a failed business. And Justin's like, yeah, well, maybe this is just a marker that we need to balance it out more. Because, honey, we did go all in. That was all of our money. Okay, so while I eat these baked beans out of a can over the fireplace, you know, maybe it's not worth supposed to be focused right now. Maybe we need to focus on actually making some money. So I'm gonna go back to the actual MLM company that makes money where I'm currently working and complain about how your MLM made no money. Okay, thanks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's funny how life will just keep you moving, especially if you're on a pole and Mary's like, well, it'll change. Yeah, life will change that anymore. Hey, by the way, how's Robert doing Robert Jr. And so Mary says that he's doing okay and he's taking a day by day. And some days are good and some days are bad. He has highs and lows etc. Which is of course, you know, a little heartbreaking for us because I think a lot of us in the audience saw the headlines only from a few weeks ago that Robert was recently. He. He recently was arrested. Sound like he had a relapse of everything. So I know that. We all know that.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Trying to break into his father in law's home or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he's getting away from that lady. His. That wife that needs to end. That wife.

[Ronnie Chieng]

The wife. Why the wife? Why is it the one.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're in a toxic relationship. I'm not blaming her for it. I'm just saying that like, this is not a relationship that's. That's working out well.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Yeah, I'm sure her parents are feeling the same way. Like get the hell. Because yeah, they were trying to get them. Remember that whole like kidnapping charge and stuff because the kid was living over there when she was underage or whatever, that whole thing. So that whole thing is a mess.

[Ben Mandelker]

Those kids will get to be separated. Okay, let's get in there. Ronnie, get your anti van.

[Ronnie Chieng]

It's ready.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just get one of them in there.

[Ronnie Chieng]

I don't care for that Robert scene. I was like, oh God, I'm showing up there like, so we're doing it because I have keys to an anti van. I will be showing up there any minute.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, just get one of them.

[Ronnie Chieng]

We are going to a job center. We are going to an employment center, sir. Okay, so Mary is saying she only has one kid and she can't believe someone raised three. And so she's saying you should feel some type of accomplishment just for that. Like three kids and they're all leaving. That's pretty amazing. And everyone's really quiet because now Heather's mad for whatever reason. And Heather's initial story was a little cringe because she can't spit. She's got hot dogs stuck in her teeth and she can't spit it out.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's facing the judgment of those quote unquote animals across the river that are like, look at that one. Look at that lady over there with that food stuck in her mouth, not even chewing it like a good.

[Ronnie Chieng]

So Heather's like, I cannot wait to get home to indoor plumbing a bed and the ability to tow my hands to what? Wash my hands with the sink that drains. It's gonna drain. And my daughter, who's still there.

[Ben Mandelker]

That little. My daughter. I can't wait to go home and take a bath and then see my daughter, who should be gone by now. Can't wait.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Can't wait to go home and get chained back up to that barnacle, who I call my daughter.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chains up the barnacle. Oh, it's funny. That's a. Quite a role reversal for a barnacle, I have to say. The barnacle's like, whoa, this feels nice. Nice to be attached to for once. Barnacles bragging to the other barnacles. Oh, are you guys still. Are you guys still attaching yourself things? Oh, someone attached myself.

[Ronnie Chieng]

I'm being chained. Yeah. Yeah, I'm being chained. So now, if this show hasn't gone low rent enough, the RV gets stuck.

[Ben Mandelker]

In the snow in a hole. Talk about. Talk about a metaphor. Heather. Heather did a whole story about yet again, had different way that she's gotten fucked over by Mormonism. And we cut basically into a scene of an RV stuck in a hole. And so they have to. Everyone has to get out and push this RV out of the hole. And they do actually. They push Mary.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Mary's like, no, I'm not. I will not be pushing an RV.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. 100%.

[Ronnie Chieng]

So she just sits there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good for her. Good.

[Ronnie Chieng]

But it's just so Salt Lake City when the entire cast has to get out and push the vehicle out of the muddy hall.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Setting out the backdrop of dirty snow.

[Ronnie Chieng]

After a scene done, all unfolding. Chairs in a freaking camping site.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was plastic wear in bowls that they can't cut the stakes. Cows watching with judgment. The cows are actually eating in a more dignified way.

[Ronnie Chieng]

SLC is just so slc. And I love that every year they're like, you know what we're not going to do this year? Improve conditions for our cast.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Okay. We just want more Big Gulp cups and folding chairs. Do we have permission to film on the shoulders of any freeways this year? Okay, we're just gonna do this gorilla style. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

That being said, I have to say, I was refreshed. I was very excited to return to society. In fact, I actually don't think it was, like, the smartest. I didn't love starting the season off in this, like, dingy campsite. I think, like, it was funny, but I'd like starting in, you know, civilization and in normal life and then go on a trip. But, like, just starting in, like, a shitty, shitty campsite with, like, mud and muck and, like, garbage everywhere and dumpsters and, like, a rotting, rusting school. Bus. I don't know. I. I think we could. I think we. It was funny, but I like. I like going through the. The bland. The bland nowhere of these, like, suburbs that they live in.

[Ronnie Chieng]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. What's the right word? It's not a bland nowhere. It's like the generic. Like, I don't know. The words are gone. Let's just. I'll just talk.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Yeah. Like, the intro to the new season. It's like, well, Sean and I still live in a house with a bed that is as big as a city, so we do not have to touch, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. The generic suburbia that of this cast, you know?

[Ronnie Chieng]

Heather, writing another book. Like, I'm writing my third book, Burping Mormon. It's about how I was never allowed to burp until I broke free of the chains of Mormonism. And now I burp whenever I want to burp. Sorry. I'm so sorry. It's so hard to let it go.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just a recap on where we all stand with burping. Mary burps only once a month. Bronwyn. I'm not sure if she burps or if she farts. And Meredith, if she did burp, she would never let you hear it. Hi, I'm your narrator, Heather Gay.

[Ronnie Chieng]

You exploited my birth Gina.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to say, also, like, half the charm of Salt Lake City is seeing the strange restaurants they go to. I mean, there was that season where they just ate nowhere but, like, cucina toscana. So now we see them back in their daily lives.

[Ronnie Chieng]

We get another one in this. In this episode, which is great.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chieng]

So, yeah, Whitney and her kids, they're running, and they're. She's running beside them while they e bike. She's trying to race them. It's wacky. And then we go to Angie and Electra walking Celia, and Angie's like, look at Celia. She wants to go see her boyfriend across the park. And she's like, that's a girl, mom. Then she is a lesbian. We will go get her a lesbian dog. Greek. Greek. Greek. Greek, Greek, Greek, Greek, Greek.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is quite Greek. I mean, Isle of Lesbos. That's. That's Greek right there. That is Greek. So then we see Meredith and Seth looking at turkeys. They're like, wow. Hey, Seth, I heard about this thing called animals, and we saw some big ones. I don't know what they were called, but I was thinking that maybe we should look at some animals also. So they are looking at turkeys, and Meredith is, like, the one with the red chin. Is that the man or. And is. And if it is a man, is it a toddler or is it a grown man?

[Ronnie Chieng]

Yeah, and he must be Mormon because he's got two wives.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry, I'm in Jay now.

[Ronnie Chieng]

So I have to do.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to do a beat when I laugh.

[Ronnie Chieng]

So now Heather is driving, and Angie calls her, and they're talking about going to Amy's party. Who's Amy? You guys, I'm going to Amy's party. We don't really have socialites in Salt Lake City.

[Ben Mandelker]

City.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Our social structure is based on church. But if we did, it would definitely apply to Amy. She lives in a huge house. She throws fabulous parties. She's kind of a who's who of Salt Lake City.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Yeah, Amy. I mean, she's a who's who, and yet we've never seen her. I don't think so. I don't think so.

[Ronnie Chieng]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Let me tell you this. Amy knows a lot of people with really bad hair. Amy is a collector of friends with bad hair. Say that there was so much hair, I thought, my God, you've got Angie sitting right here at the party. She's got a hair salon. Can someone please go? What are you people doing? Is this like bed hair? Is that what you people do? It's just like, you wake up and it's like, this is how God wanted it today. So I'm just gonna put some hairspray on whatever shape I woke up with, and I'm going out with it. Fix yourselves.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, fix yourselves. Well, you know, if you seek Amy, then you gotta have good hair. I guess.

[Ronnie Chieng]

So then if you're seeking Amy, just know this Tyne Daly is not far behind.

[Ben Mandelker]

La la la, la, la, la, la, la. That's what I say about that. So Heather, they're all excited because Amy. Amy's throwing a party. And so Heather now drives to Marco's Bistro to meet up with Lisa Barlow, making her true in person debut on the season. Because the FaceTime call in a flashback does not count. So they arrived. Ah. I feel like I haven't seen you in forever. Like, I know. I've missed you too. I just launched a great storyline about how I can't wait for my daughter to leave my house. You must feel the same way. She's like, oh, yeah, your hair looks beautiful. And I don't know if, you know.

[Ronnie Chieng]

The waiter comes up. The waiter comes up and he's like, hello. Hi.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God, his eyes bulge.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Is There anything I can help you? What would you like? You guys want one thing to drink? Do you like ice tea? It's like, whoa, whoa. Get the out of here. I know this guy stands by the kitchen bossing around busboys while he's jangling change in his pocket or something. Listen here, creep. Just get me an iced tea and back away. Back away slowly, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was a real treat for Crap is on Demand. If you don't watch Crap is on Demand, you missed Ronnie doing a very up close and personal hello.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Welcome to Marco.

[Ben Mandelker]

That guy flaring his eyes, that was pretty iconic.

[Ronnie Chieng]

It's amazing.

[Ben Mandelker]

He needs a feather boa. He does. But he also upstaged someone in the restaurant that someone on. On Twitter flagged. There was a lady sitting.

[Ronnie Chieng]

No one's upstaging that girl. I'm telling you what. No one's upstaging that girl. We had two icons right in a row on this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right in a row in the same scene. And she is just looking at Heather and Lisa, like, just giving up and down with such disapproving eyes. Like, really?

[Ronnie Chieng]

Because Heather takes off her jacket. It's like winter. I guess it's always winter there, right? So she takes off her jacket, and she's wearing, like, a little mini skirt with. I mean, she's just so overdressed for this place. She looks crazy. She takes up her jacket. This girl just looks her up and down, I think five. And she doesn't even do it fast. She does, like, a slow, like, looks at her mom and then looks back and does it again. It was so good, the judgment.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was like, this is why we got sent to the side of the room, because they had to film this person.

[Ronnie Chieng]

So I'll have the carne asada. Oh, I love carne asada. Because when I was young, it was very. The church was very against carne asada. And now I'm having it whenever I can.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. That's amazing. So how was the trap? Like, where did you guys end up going? It's like Provo Canyon. Oh, really? We were in an rv. What? Mari Kanbag. I can't even fathom the.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Just the way Lisa reacted to this whole thing. Which says when she said, we went to Provo Canyon, Lisa went, oh, really? Like, gross. What the fuck were you doing in Provo Canyon? Don't you know they killed good time girls there? Haven't you heard that?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Lisa's like, y' all sad not to be there with you guys. Someone wrote to us and said that. I guess it was south by Southwest weekend. Maybe she was there when this was happening. So she chose south by Southwest, which explained the. The celebrities. And my question is, I wonder, was she actually at a celebrity event at south by Southwest, or was she by just saying she was at south by Southwest, just lumping herself in with any celebrity that was at the event?

[Ronnie Chieng]

Anyone there? Yeah, like, anyone she saw passing on the street. I mean, it was a chance to see Blake and Ben. So what would you chose? Hi, Ben. He's across the street right now. Hi, Ben. Yeah, we're having a lunch meeting on the. On the. You know, on the street right now. He's across fourth street.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi, Ben.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Good meeting. Good meeting. Good meeting you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I got you a bowl at Cava. I'll beat you there.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Commercials.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here comes one right now. So Heather was like, well, even though you physically weren't there, just like Martha Coolidge or whatever the name of that ghost was, you were part of the trip from the jump. A lot went. What was the name of Mary Sorensen? Martha Sorensen.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Yeah, Sorensen. Yeah, that's right. Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorenson, my love.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Coolidge, though.

[Ben Mandelker]

Basically, Lisa, you were part of the trip from the jump. Just the way my daughter is part of my household, seemingly for eternity. A lot went down. Unlike my life, when my daughter's around.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Well, I'm not just gonna sit here and not say anything to Lisa. Part of our friendship is being upfront with each other and making me look good and the other girls looking bad. So Lisa will, like, mean, hate. Hate everybody else.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, Bronwyn just dropped that. She had been doing all this research on your businesses and your lawsuits. I'm like, this is also. This is a misrepresentation. Like, maybe Bronwyn has a research, but, like, also, it was in the newspaper.

[Ronnie Chieng]

I'm sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

If something is in the newspaper, I think. I think it really should be more like, get this. Bronwyn still uses legacy media. That should be more of the shocker that Bronwyn sits and reads the newspaper.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Well, I mean, if she has all the cases, then I guess it would be true that she looked it up. Cases. But they're out there, and they were talked about in the paper. So fair. It's fair game.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's very fair. I mean, I mean, Bronwyn did, like. She clearly read things with, like, very carefully because she's pulling. She had. She was. And continues to pull out specific references to these cases in a way that I know I wouldn't be able to if I just read it in the newspaper. So she did. She clearly has done more than read it in the newspaper. But Heather makes it sound like Bron went and dug up stuff that was, like, not out there to use on this show. And it's like, this is public stuff, Heather. You're really misrepresenting the situation.

[Ronnie Chieng]

And we even see the clip of Bronwyn being like, it was in the newspaper. Like, it's literally in the newspaper. All you have to do is read. And it's the Beverly Hills fight. You know, it's like, how dare you do research on me. What, are you coming for me? And she's like, honey, it was in the Los Angeles Times. And Kyle's like, who read it? Who reads Kyle? It's disgusting to read things about your friends. Reading is offensive.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, Kyle, what an idiot. So then we see her saying this, and then Heather is like, it was clear that she was just there to annihilate you. I'm like, do you remember your entire storyline last season where Bronwyn had one, like, shady thing in the car, and you spent the next eight episodes talking about how Bronwyn was there to destroy. Like, you were on a mission to destroy the newbie all of last season. And now here comes Bronwyn, who read something in the paper that. About your own castmate. But that's a cast that has had, like, controversy like this before. And it's like, whoa, this is crazy. And on top of that, Bronwyn, I'm also having a beef with Lisa. So of course she's gonna bring it up. Like, why are they. Why is Heather surprised with this? These two don't like each other anymore. Like, of course she's gonna bring this up and be and, like, dance in it.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Well, I was thinking about it, you know, after I watched it, as I often do, I'll just sit there and think about it, you guys. Like, what did I learn tonight from Salt Lake City? What did I learn? But I was thinking about it and how crazy this relationship was and, like, the levels of all the fighting. And I mean, Lisa and Bronwyn. Because Lisa brings Bronwyn on as her friend, right? She was introduced as Lisa's friend. Lisa's talking Bronwyn up this and that. Meet my friend. She's so fabulous. Immediately, Bronwyn's like, lisa, it's not sticking up for me. My stupid fights that I'm having with people. And so turned on Lisa. And Lisa's like, what are you talking about? Like, the whole season, Lisa was like, what are you even talking about? I'm doing nothing to you. Like, I'm. What do you want me to do? Like, you're fighting with Heather. What am I supposed to do about it? It's like, you don't even like me. You're saying so I think that was Bronwyn's fault last year. I totally still stand by that. I think Brahman was a total asshole to Lisa last year. And then of course, it was kind of easy because kind of everyone hates Lisa. So by the end of it, she. Lisa's also very easy to stir up. So then by the end of it, Lisa's playing down and dirty, and it's about this necklace, and I talked to this person about this necklace. So Lisa got down and dirty by the end of last year. But in my mind, Bronwyn fucking deserved it because Bronwyn was being an asshole that whole season. So then this season, Bronwyn's like, okay, you're going to be an asshole to me. Then I'm going to come on and own all my shit, and I'm going to going to be like you to you. And so she's being like Lisa Barlow, basically. She's getting all of the Lisa. All the dirt, and she's throwing it right in Lisa's face with confidence, not giving a fuck. And now Lisa's having a breakdown. And it's hard to feel bad for Lisa because this is kind of a Lisa thing, but ultimately Brahma started it last year. So I'm looking at it like this is all kind of low, that you're taking someone's, like, lowest point while they're being trashed in the media. And immediately first episode bringing it up like, that's kind of a dick move, but it's to Lisa. And Lisa spent the last part of her year coming for Bronwyn and all of her shit. And there was all that shit with her kid and the. The kid's grandparents and all of that, which was just really icky, I think. So I don't know. It's just. It's just so hard to pick a side. It's like you have to stick with whatever the most recent shitty thing is. And I think Bronwyn kind of won this episode. I guess that was a 20 minute of me saying, like, Bronwyn just Bronwyn won this one fair and square.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bronwyn, like, blazed this episode like she. And. And we. We are, on the record, we are big Lisa Barlow fans. Like Lisa Barlow. We, like, love her. Love. I'm endlessly amused and entertained by Lisa Barlow. Bronwyn won this one for sure. I think, I personally think that last season it was a little bit more. Was a little bit more nuanced or layered than just like, oh, you know, Bronwyn got into a fight and then Lisa didn't have her back. And Lisa's like, well, whatever. And like that Brahma started at all. I think there was, it was more to it than that, but also like, not enough to that I really care to really take any stance on it. I think that in this case, they entered the season like, you know, it always resets. Okay, so new season and they don't like each other. There's this crazy thing happening. It's in the newspaper. Lisa decided not to show up on the cast trip. She decided to allegedly maybe go to south by Southwest or if it's not that, then she went to something else instead of being on the show and dangerous move to do that. Especially if you've got like a sharp tongued rival and the stuff comes up and it comes up and that's just what it is. And Heather is like, yeah, she was almost there just to annihilate you. Well, she probably was. She probably was there just to annihilate Lisa because guess what, they're in a feud, Heather. And that's just how it goes. So.

[Ronnie Chieng]

And I think it's really shitty and it's a horrible precedent for our friend group. And I think it's something you need to squash immediately by getting Bronwyn out of the friend group. Because that's, you know, that that's what Heather's saying. Because Heather wants, you know, that's all Heather wants, you know, so Heather's playing her own Housewives game here too, by just being like, oh, I was the only one who stuck up for you in this whole thing. So Lisa's like, wait, how do you squash something that doesn't exist? Like a baseless claim that got dismissed and another one that's on its way to getting dismissed. I mean, we didn't even do anything. It's like, like, so dismissable. It's like, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, this whole thing is so dumb. Like, it's sort of like having regular coke. Like, that's so dumb. Like, what do you want to dig up, like 15 years of my life and be like, oh, this is naughty. Ooh, Lisa Barlow got tied to a pole by her classmates. Ooh, big deal. Like, Lisa has dismissed cases. Like, obviously that's. They're not that bright. Because anyone with half a brawn would know a dismissed lawsuit is like, Nothing. It's, like, dismissed. Like, no one sues the bottom bitch. They all go for the top.

[Ronnie Chieng]

That's true. Do people sue the bottom bitch?

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a. I think that was actually. It was a good line. It was a good line. You probably could poke holes in it, but I think it was a good line in. In Housewives Talk. So Lisa goes.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Well, she. Wait, hold on. I. One of the things here about Lisa and her monologue, and this is how I know Lisa. Lisa's in trouble. Because normally I would come in here like, Lisa will. Will handle Bronwyn easily. I think she handled her pretty easily last year. So watching this, I was like, oh, Lisa will handle her. No, because watching this, this diary room set, this confessional, I knew Lisa was in trouble. She looks insane. Her makeup. I don't know if her glam team was like, I'm not even standing by you. Like, they left. I don't know what happened. She's got a full brown line at the top of her forehead. She looks like a dollar. You know those, like, old Victorian dolls where they have, like, the foreheads and then their hair starts up here. She looked like one of those. There was like, a full brown line of where her makeup started. Her hair was crazy, and then her eye makeup was crazy, and it looked like she had one black eye. And so when she closed her eyes, it's like, you're a mess. Like, she closed her eyes. One of them was. It looked like it was swollen shut. I was like, you look like Heather's storyline this season that supposedly she got punched in the face by Jen Shaw or whatever. I mean, what is happening over there? She looks like a man. She looks like she's been kidnapped. She looks like it's the end of a night that she's been kidnapped and she's making a video. And I knew she's in trouble.

[Ben Mandelker]

She looks like Molly Sorensen found her. That's what I think. So then Lisa's like, look, I'll see them at Amy's, and I have no problem talking about it. Well, what is going on with the lawsuit that they're even talking about? Tell me, because I don't even know. As Heather suddenly is playing dumb. Heather, who is one of the smartest people on this show and almost probably any other househub show, is suddenly like, wait a second. There's a lawsuit happening? I don't know anything about it. I don't even understand how this works. And yet somehow she's able to find out information that, like, Monica Garcia has A burner account that's been trolling them all. But, like, this is, like, something that's, like, widely available is, like, what? It's impenetrable. There's a lawsuit.

[Ronnie Chieng]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't understand things I don't understand. Like, come on. On Heather. It's actually.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Read that. What's a newspaper? I've never heard of such a thing. Growing up Mormon, we weren't allowed to do that. What are you talking about?

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't wait for my daughter to move out so I could read newspapers again. So Lisa's like, yeah, well, an old business partner from 15 years ago that. We sold the business sodas, and it's pastas and molasses and dumps. And then we. And then. And then we have, like, another one, like, in a couple weeks, and it got dismissed immediately. Like, there's, like, no claim, so it's dismissed, and it's ridiculous. And I don't own the same kind of business as anybody else. Has this friend group, and I love a very different life from all of you. I hung out with Blake Lively and Ben Affleck.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Do you know what it's like having a meeting with Ben Affleck when he's sitting across the restaurant of Taco Deli?

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't.

[Ronnie Chieng]

You don't know. You don't know what I go through. You don't know. So Heather's like, yeah, you know, your life is not that different from all of us. Okay? I do Botox in a strip mall with the dollar store. So pretty. Pretty big, too, Lisa.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Pretty big.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is. It is. Okay? Because while you're doing Botox next to a dollar tree, I'm setting up high tops next to a dollar tree. That's different. I do a different thing. Okay?

[Ronnie Chieng]

This is Lisa's problem. Just these little comments, you know, like, she's so much better than us. Like, you know, we get it. You don't want to be normal, but give the rest of us a little credit, why don't you?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Lisa goes, did anyone stand up from her other than yo. And Heather's like, what about Meredith? Well, Meredith was. Meredith.

[Ronnie Chieng]

You mean iconic?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I meant, like, you were pretty quiet, and she defended you at first, but around the picnic table. But then when. When the first lawsuits came out, but then it just kind of got really heated and ugly, especially when Angie kind of piled on Heather. Heather making herself sound like the only one who stood up for. When actually, the only one who stood up for Lisa was Brittany Bateman, by the way, the only one who put herself out there and received blowback and ridicule was Britney. And Heather just did the. Well, I don't know what's going on. You guys have to tell me.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Yeah, Heather played. Brittany was the one who stuck up for her. And I think Meredith did a little sticking up for her too. She was like, well, I'm not going to talk about her when she's not here. We should talk about this with Lisa. Yeah, so. So Heather just goes to turn Lisa against everybody else, which works because Lisa is so easily swayed in these shows. Like they. She ends up losing it whenever they want her to lose it. She's just, she has no control. Right. So Heather's like, oh my God, are you crying? And Lisa's just like, I wasted my Inspector Gadget coat for this, for that. Open the window, please. I'm hyperventilating. So Lisa is crying to us now in her crazy look with her makeup, black eye. And she's like, I'm just crying because I'm so frustrated. I'm so frustrated. And it's like all these years of sacrificing, of giving 100%. Do you know what it's like to have been in the same room as Robert Redford? Nobody does. Nobody does. And now they're trying to tear it all down. They're trying to take it from me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I've done so many sacrifices to know what it was like to leave my son so that way I could go hang out with Blake and Ben. Your son's in Colombia? Well, the other son, he's very happy playing video games in his room. But it was still a sacrifice. Okay. I'm missing critical events. Okay. Like when my son, he beat that one level. That was really hard. That was hard. Uh huh. Because I've been putting everything into my brand. And don't you guys want to sit there and act like it's no big deal to rip it down?

[Ronnie Chieng]

It's okay to feel betrayed. You were betrayed by everyone. Except me. And me and the waiter. Please leave. You're making us uncomfortable. I'm just so frustrated for them to bring up shot to try and denigrate my character. And disgusting. Okay, let's dissect everybody's life then. Because. And then she starts doing the thing where she starts grabbing both sides of her hair with two fingers and like moving it, like flipping it out and then moving it down. Okay, you know what? You want to dissect everyone's life because if they want to talk about mine, you know what? You're opening the door for me to talk about yours.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what you're doing.

[Ronnie Chieng]

The door's open.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Heather now stirring shit up, then does the whole. Well, I think you can clear it up. She's gonna be like the nice moderate. She's gonna be the, the wise one who's gonna bring people together when she already broke everything in the first place.

[Ronnie Chieng]

So now we go other roles. She gets everybody to fight and then she's like, we are women.

[Ben Mandelker]

And what women do to do is.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Stand together as sisters. Sisters who were traumatized by Joseph Smith.

[Ben Mandelker]

We go through the fire, we go through the water. We deal with Molly Sorens and in the end we come out stronger, but only if we listen to each other. And then afterwards I will listen to all of you and turn it against you. That is what we do as sisters.

[Ronnie Chieng]

Hello there. This is a two part recap. Okay? This is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

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