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So now we go to Whitney and Bronwyn. Of course, outside they're skiing and snowboarding, but there was only one restaurant on the docket today, so they got this scene. So it's kind of awkward because I don't think Bronwyn really hangs out with anybody, do you? No, I get the vibe that she doesn't really even know anybody on this show. She literally hangs out.
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Yeah, like the same person who hangs out with Christian Siriano is then going to go hang out with Whitney Rose. It just doesn't really quite make sense to me. Like what are they going to talk about.
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Yeah. So they. I mean, I don't know. I'm trying to. I guess I was quiet because I'm trying to think out, like, what's. What's better?
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You know, what does anyone talk about with Whitney?
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What does anybody talk about with Christian Sirianna? I'm like. Which is better. I'm actually trying to think, like, who would I rather hang out with? I'm. I'm thinking probably Whitney. Is that weird?
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Um, I think I would actually like to hang out with both of them, to be honest. But I think I would probably like Christian Sirianna more to be. Not like. But I think I would enjoy hanging out with him more.
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I would like hanging out with both of them so I could watch the looks he gives her as she tries to talk about stuff. Because, you know, he's just like. Those eyes would be going back and forth and he'd be pursing his lips.
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A lot and like, gossip. His gossip would be better than Whitney's gossip. His gossip would be about celebrities, and her gossip would be about someone she met at Sturgis. And I just don't.
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Yeah, I think that's why I would hang out with her. I think that's why I would hang out with her because I like normal people gossip more than, like, I don't know, stupid.
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Hers would also come out so slowly. It took a very long time to get.
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Yeah. And it would be all wrong. It would be incorrect, and she'd tell you a different story every time you got something from her. Okay. So anyway, when did I. I.
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Did I ever tell this about Whitney on the phone?
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No.
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She. She was actually. I may take it back because she. There was. I went to watch what Happens Live. You know, I remember when I went to watch what Happens Live, like four years ago. And. And so Ariana was the guest and so was Craig. And so then I wound up going out to a bar afterwards with all of them. And Whitney Rose was in town. She had recorded the session right before, and they were trying to get Whitney to come and hang out with us. And they called Whitney and she was wasted on the phone. She's like.
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Yeah, funny.
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And she was so funny as a wasted person. I just forgot about this. I forgot that Whitney has a very funny wasted personal that. I think that should be entered into evidence.
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Okay. So, yeah, I think I wasted with Whitney. Yeah, she makes me crazy on this show. But I would hang out with her. I think of her, Christian. So anyway, she's with Bronwyn and she's like, thank you for coming with me. I'm just, like, all about fun. And Bronwyn's like, yeah, that's what. That's what I want to do. That's what I want to do. I just want to have fun. You know, I'm just all over the drama. I'm just so over the drama. Let's talk about Lisa. Let's talk about what a whore Lisa is. What a stupid, vile, criminal whore Lisa is. Kind of hate trauma. Just hate it.
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It's been a lot. How are you feeling after the trip? Well, I use unleaded, but some cars I do have to use premium. No, not filling, filling. Oh, well.
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Well, my teeth are actually fine. I haven't had a cavity in a really long time. No, I did actually have all my fillings changed to be ceramic instead of metal, because apparently that's really bad for your. Your insides.
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I didn't know you could. I didn't know you could fill. Fill metal like that. Wow. So question. How has your emotional state. Oh, well. Oh, oh, okay. Well, I felt like I got better time with some people. Yeah. I love, love, love seeing you and Heather have a moment that made my heart so happy. It was a happy moment. It's like, Whitney, were you there? Did you see that Heather snapped back at Bronwyn, that it was actually not a happy moment at all? Yeah. Oh, I guess you're talking about the kayak, maybe.
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Yeah, in the kayak. That was great. But, you know, that made me super happy, too. But then the next day when she was talking about the girls, I mean, it felt like what she was thinking. I was saying she took it negatively or something like that. And, you know, I just. We take a baby step forward, and then we take, you know, huge steps for mankind backwards. And I just. I just piss her off or I offend her. I just don't know how I do it. I just don't know.
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Well, I think maybe just challenge her and be like, wait, I'm not being anything but supportive or understanding. And then just speak that to her and then remind her that she exploded your vagina.
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She's like, okay, well, thank you so much for sticking up for me, you know, and I appreciated you being like. That's my experience, too, with Lisa, you know? That's my experience, too. Yeah. I was so frustrated in that moment because of, like, the double stand. Because if you're going to dig up stuff on me, you. You know, and you have stuff that's court record documents of things that you're not being. Coming About. For forthcoming. About. Don't. Then don't come. I forgot what we were talking about.
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Question. If I know that she's not being forthcoming, did she ever have a second or third coming? I'm just, like, really confused about how this works.
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So Bronwyn's like, you know what? Listen, five people are suing you. You've got one offering your own text messages. Evidence. Yeah. And then her response to the lawsuits is too long ago. Or you asked for it to be, you know, repaid. Or we never had a repayment schedule. So technically, I didn't default on a payment schedule because we didn't have one. I mean, that's shady. And if the text is that he claims to have a real, then she's not denying she took the money. But that's suspect, too, because if John's running Vita or they co run it together, then why would the lawsuit suggest she didn't even want John to know about the money? Like, that feels suspect to me. That just doesn't feel right to me. Wow. She really went in. She really got all of the details of these. That is crazy that Lisa had all this money from someone, and she's like, don't tell John. Don't tell John.
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Yeah. I was surprised that Whitney could follow what Brown Bronwyn was even saying. She's like, huh? So Bronwyn basically says when the lawsuits were reported, two of the details that stood up to her was that one was first that a gentleman was accusing. Lisa claims to have text messages where he claims that she acknowledges the debt. Meaning, like, what? You said that there was someone who was giving her money behind John's back. And Bronwyn's like, and the lawsuit implies, you know, she would prefer that he didn't tell John. And I mean, like, have some guy get you an Amex under his credit, under the, under his limit. That seems strange. Wait, is this the mystery man that Angie talks about? Braun was like, supposedly. I, I, I didn't know about that, but I'll just say supposedly because it sounds good already. So I'm gonna say, yes, I'll co sign that. Yeah.
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Because I was at the reunion. So we see a flashback at the reunion. Angie asking about the post on Twitter that Lisa has a Park City mystery man that pays for her lip filler.
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Gosh, can you imagine? That's what this person's doing. So Bronwyn.
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Okay, well, first off, first off, with the Amex stuff, it's not really weird if you start a business with somebody and you both have amex. Is under that account. That's not weird. I don't think so. I mean, I don't know that that's what happened. But she's saying under his credit, under his limit. Well, if he's an investor in the business and he gives her an amex card, then that wouldn't be weird. I mean, if she was using his amex card with his name or whatever. But if she has an amex card under his business, that doesn't sound too weird. But I don't know. We don't know what it is yet. So it's just speculation.
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I don't know. So then Bronwyn's like, I mean, you know, you know, when she's worried about what I am or am not putting on my amex jewelry wise, why don't you worry about what Amex you're using? Because she sits there and lets Britney call me a gold digger. At least I'm spending my own husband's money. You have a husband? Whose money are you spending? That's weird. Uh huh. Uh huh. And may I also add, mm, well.
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If you have a business with someone, it's not weird that you're spending the money from the business. I don't know. I don't know about this yet. I have to see. I have to see the fight. But it's not looking promising once we do see the fight. So now we go to Mary's house and she has a big long talk with Robert Jr. And it's very sad, you know, as it has been in the past, because I think as housewives, people, you know, you're used to stories kind of being wrapped up. And then the next season, it's something else. You know, it's like, okay, well, last season was his drug addiction. So what's this season? You know, and you want it to be, he's doing really well and everything's great. And that's unfortunately not really how addiction works. You know, it's a long road. So that's kind of what's here. He's still not really sober, although, listening to what he said, he says he hasn't been hanging out with the same people and he has not been doing the drugs with them. But he smoked weed today to feel better, which destroys Mary, which, I mean, look, if it's just we, that's sounds a lot better. But Mary, you know, just, I mean, credit to just sitting there and having this conversation on camera and how she's dealing with it is just kind of calmly and just letting him say whatever he's gonna say. And then they're kind of going about it in a way that they're encouraged. She says that her and Robert Senior are encouraging him to do the right thing and just leaving it up to him because there's nothing they can do. Which I think with addiction, that's kind of true. I think when it's someone in your own house, it's trickier. I mean, I think part of one of the best ways to fight addiction is having something to do. Like, you have to do something. You cannot just sit around and do nothing. Like, you have to have a job. You have to have something that you're involved in and something where you're meeting people. Because being alone in a house, bored all day, that's when you are going to do the drug. I'm. When you're going to do the drugs, you know? So, yeah, I want to show up in that van and be like, get in here. We're getting a job. Get in here.
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Take him to a job fair. So now we go to Bronwyn and Heather meeting for lunch, and Heather tells her driver, wish me luck. So they.
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They.
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They gather, and Bronwyn's saying, I am really serious about wanting to figure out with Heather whether we can be friends. We just need to find a way to coexist. And I'm not. And it's not happening in a group setting with the other ladies. So one on one, we're going to get to the bottom of it. And by getting to the bottom of it, we'll just have another tense meal and still be in the same place that we started. But it'll at least be a free meal on Bravo. Right?
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So they show up and they're like, hi. Hi. Oh, hi. Okay. Okay. While we're sitting here, well, I guess here we are. Should we just order a drink? Oh, God, I would love a drink. I wasn't allowed to do that as a Mormon, so that would be great to have one. Okay, well, here we are having a drink, and Heather says, well, I don't want to be annoyed with Bronwyn all the time. I don't want my friendships to feel like a chore, you know, like child raising is. So I'm just really hoping that Bronwyn and I can kind of break through something here, which is why I'm gonna sit here and roll my eyes and get defensive about everything. She says, yeah. So.
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Well, things are crazy around here. Ashley is flying in this week from Santa Barbara just to visit. So now we're back up to two girls in the house. Just when I thought we were getting close to zero, somehow it's doubling. I don't know what's going on. And Annabelle, it's like, you know, time for them to spend a little time together, maybe ideally out of the house, because Annabelle's getting all of her acceptance letters, and I'm exhausted. I can't wait for Annabelle to graduate. And Bronwyn's like, well, you know, you said something about this when we were at the RV trip, and I tried to say something that I think was maybe misunderstood by you intentionally to be mad at me. So I do want to clear that up, because I was trying to be supportive of you, and I was trying to be like, I hear what you're saying, and it really is tricky to want them to go into their own lives, and you got to get support from them. And I just was. I was saying, I'm excited to have less hands on. Like, I'm. I'm excited to have less hands on mom time, for sure. And I wasn't saying it was negative that what you're doing. I totally understand where you are. I just. I don't know how you heard it, but I just want to really clear that up that I. I don't think you're a bad mom. I just think you're a bad friend.
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I kind of wish Bronwyn had kind of stuck to her guns here and just said, no. I was saying my experience, like, you are really excited to have your kids out. I'm really excited to keep my kid in. It doesn't mean I'm judging you, you know, but. No, no, I was just trying to support you and saying, like, I totally felt how you felt. Which, I mean, I think everybody's reaction to hearing Heather talk about what she was talking about in the way she was talking about it was kind of like, oh, that sounds kind of harsh, Heather. You know, So I don't know, just stand by it. Stand in your truth. That's what I say.
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Yeah. So Heather's like, well, I think I heard those words. I mean, it just felt like you were trying to show that you were understanding, but define how you were definitely different and that. That you weren't done mothering and wanted Gwendare so badly and move her boyfriend in because you just love mothering so badly. And I shouldn't feel bad that I was ready to not be hands on. You know, you just basically were, like, saying, heather, you are a bitch and an incapable mother, and you should be in the outer darkness. And I just didn't appreciate that you said that.
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But what Heather repeats back to her is exactly what Bronwyn said. The thing is, it wasn't offensive to Heather. That's her experience. You know, she did say that, and you have no right to be offended. It's weird. So Bronwyn's like, okay, well, you know what? Then I'm super sorry that that's how that came out, because what I was trying to say, actually, is that I just feel like I haven't done good enough job mothering, you know? Of course, now she has my haircut and wears all my clothes. It's basically me. So, you know, I do feel like I'm doing a little bit better than you. But what I was trying to say is that I was. I was different in it. I wasn't different in a better way. I was just trying to emphasize, you know, things that I was trying to just basically say, I agree with you on everything. Can we just be friends?
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Okay?
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That's what I was trying to say. Nothing you do is wrong. Everything you do is right. And let's just be friends now, okay? Okay.
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See, this is the kind of conversation I would have loved to have had around the campfire if only I didn't interrupt you and be super to you, like, why. Why can't you have these conversations when I'm being bitchy to you? And Bronwyn's like, well, yeah, that's what I wanted to say to you. And I just feel like sometimes I say something to you and it doesn't land, and then I just shut down. And I just feel like, well, Heather doesn't like me. We just don't get along. I love when Bronwyn says that she shuts down when she's actually the most vicious clapbacker on this entire show. She's like, oh, well, you know, I just shut down. I don't know what to do. You didn't shut down. You're just. What happened was, you're like, wow, Heather's a raging bitch, and I'm not going to bother trying to get through to her because she's a bitch. That's what happened. You didn't shut down. You just realized you had better ways to spend your energy in that moment.
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One is like, I'm just trying to put my two cents in. And of course, Heather has to come jump down my throat in front of the whole group of girls again and, like, kind of denigrate me in front of everybody or make it victimize herself, like, I'm attacking her. It's like, typical. It's was straight out of the why bother saying anything? Yeah.
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But BR was really good at playing this role of, like, I just want. I did it. Yeah, I did, like, because I just wanted to be with the cool girls. And I just shut down. She has this, like. She has a very low key way of making herself, in retrospect, seem very small. And it's like, you're not small, Bronwyn. You're very big and very outspoken.
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Yeah. Or she'll humble herself. You know, she'll. She knows how to, like, humble herself when necessary to get by, which is impressive. She was on why It Happens Live. I caught a little bit of it last night. And. And he was like, wow. I have to say I was really impressed that you just admitted to lying and said you just wanted to look cool. She goes, oh, yeah, yeah, it's true. Because everyone claps, you know, they're like, woo. Because let's watch what happens live. So everyone's like, woo. And she goes, yep, yep, it's true. I want to look cool. It's true. I do. I want to look cool.
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Well, she's wearing a Swiffer. Just want to look cool.
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She was wearing a pom pom last night. She was wearing, like, a black and white pom pom dress. The whole thing was like pom pom frills. And Christian Siriano, of course, made it, and he was sitting there in the front row and Andy's like, oh, wow, it's crazy. I mean, here you are. And Christian Siriano came on our show and he said, you're the only person that actually pays for your clothes. And she goes, that's true, that's true. He made me this one, right? And Andy says, does she have to pay for that? Christian's like, yes, she has to pay for it. And then whoever was there next to her, some star next to her, he goes, but you all do for free. Okay, well, okay, well, you know, I'm gonna look cool. I want to. Can I get another woo for wanting to look cool? Whoa. Whoa.
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So there's like, I just think that when we're in a group setting, you don't present it that way and you just sort of word salad it a lot, you know, I'm like, I don't think that she word salads it, but, you know, it's fine. I feel like Heather's just trying to, like, kind of bring her down, whatever. It's really fun when these two go at it because these are like the two of the smartest women, and they just. They are so passive aggressive to each other, even when they're being conciliatory, that it's just. It's really very hilarious.
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But does word salad Brown one is word salading this whole thing? She's like, no, no. What I was saying was I really support you for not wanting to be around your children by saying that I'm obsessed with my child and can't let her out of my house. That's what I'm trying to say. That was only in support of you wanting to leave your children. Wanting your children to leave. It's like, no, that's not. Just say what were gonna say. She is like, word salading to try and get around it. But I can understand because she's walking on eggshells just trying to get Heather to make up with her. And Heather gets offended at every little thing she says. So it's like, how do you win this one? You know, I think they're both just like, I hate you, but we have to reset now because it's a new season. So how are we gonna just reset and fight later in the season?
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Well, maybe she's word salading, because maybe, like, Heather is, like, a word vegan. And so she's like, I gotta serve her this salad. I can't give her my word meat.
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So she can't handle the word beat.
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She's like, I got. I have to make some sort of salad for her. I need to give her an alternative. So Brahman's like, yeah, it's really rich that she has a problem, like. And now, you know, Bronwyn has her nod, obviously, but then she also has her, like, her chicken Bob, which is. It's really rich that she has a problem with, like, how many words I use and what are said and if I pronounce them wrong. Considering that, like, Heather is best friends with, like, Lisa Big Mouth Barlow, you could trademark that. Fresh start is too far. Words, Heather. Can we try that? Was that concise enough for you? I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Bronwyn. Okay, all right. That word, that word meat was coming on pretty strong. That was a word steak right there.
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So, Okay, I have to ask. Why would you dump all the data you had about Lisa? I mean, for someone that you said you wanted to be nothing more than to be close to them, I mean, what's that about? She goes, well, I did want to be close to Lisa. That's true. And I thought we were close, and Lisa made it very clear that we're not close. We're not. And in her mind, we never were close. I mean, she said we barely knew each other. So what do you think? That's.
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So, like, now all bets are off? You're just gonna. Just gonna railroad her? Is that what you're gonna do? All bets are off?
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No, no, it's not that all bets are off. I just wanted to leave New York natural with Lisa. And unfortunately, since then, Lisa has not. She's not continued to. Lisa has continued to double down and triple and quadruple down on the things that she said about me and who I am and my character. For example, that I lied about a necklace, which I did lie about, because, yes, it's true that I do want to be cool. Okay, can I get a woo, woo, woo.
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Thank you to the cow in the parking lot that did that.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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So then we see tweets that are like, the animal in the parking lot. The animal. You're not allowed to say cow. Unfortunately, that word belongs to Hulu. So, yes, Bronwyn is a narcissist to change stories right in front of your eyes, and you all believe her. How fucking stupid is that? Another tweet. Yasuya's a snake and no better than Jen. Actually, probably worse. Lying to people, hurting people, making stuff up that didn't happen. It's pretty shitty. Which is funny that she literally calls Bronwyn Jen Shaw when this is going to be the crux of the latest argument at the end of the episode.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. She's going to get so offended that somebody called her that. So Heather's like, okay, so it is retaliatory. She goes, well, you can call it retaliatory. Isn't it retaliatory?
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Retaliatory.
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That's how I say it. But they say retaliatory. She's like, so it is retaliatory. She's. Okay, well, you can call it retaliatory, or you can call it me meeting Lisa exactly where she is. Okay. Which is in the gutter.
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Retaliates your way.
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Retaliatory.
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Retaliatory. Okay, well, then you guys need to sit down and talk. But it shouldn't affect us.
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Mm. Which is why I went and sat at lunch and tattletaled on all of you to get Lisa furious. So it would involve all of us at the next party that we're at.
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You seem heated. You seem really heated, because you won't. We really won't. Hear what I'm saying. She's like, I heard you. And this is between you and I. And I'm just. I'm just saying. But it does color our relationship, your relationship with me. It really does.
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So she's like, but I don't even have a problem with you. I don't even know where that's coming from, really. Heather. So they decide to try and be friends again. And they toast. And Heather goes, well, I guess to our next public thrashing. Just. Yep. I'm sure it's going to be any day now.
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So good.
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It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.
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Now, everyone, the moment you've all been waiting for. Time to go to Amy's house. Before she was on. Amy still.
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It's Amy still in the bad hair parade. Here we go. So everybody starts coming in. There's a little, like, wall with leaves on it. And you ring a bell. And then hands pop out with champagne. And so then. Wow.
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Yeah, wow. Now look at that. Hands sticking out. And I was surprised that Seth didn't sit there for the next 10 minutes trying to give them a pep talk. Like, so when you guys are handing out champagne, like, what are you guys really thinking about? How's your relationship with your father? I'll be your dad if you want. Okay. I just want to get to know the real you. Hand.
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So was that a non binary hand that just came out to get me? I'm just trying to get. I'm just trying to get the lingo down. Okay. Just trying to get the lingo down. Guys, it's me.
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Just want to be included.
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Okay? Is that a panhand? Is that what you call it? Pan you. A panhand. Okay, I'm going to unzip my pants and go ahead and see what this hand can do with it.
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Famously private personality Jared Osmond is back with Britney. And the chiron says, Britney's ex fiance, which is so hilarious. That is such a trolling. The show is so funny.
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So everyone comes in. They're like, oh, my God. Hi. Hi, hi, hi, hi. Oh, my God.
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Love you.
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Love you. And we get a look at the people. I have to say, why do all the women look so pretty and put together? It's like a typical show, right? And all the men are like, they all look like old senators, you know? And they are nodding their heads, like right from the beginning, just from seeing the Real Housewives shooting, they're like, oh, I don't. I don't agree with this. I don't. I don't like this at all.
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It's crazy. This is. They're acting like. These women are acting, like, so tacky, which they are. But it's also like, you came to a shoot for a reality show, people. So Lisa's like, after what Hartha told me at lunch, I feel on isa. I'm upset. These girls are like vultures. It's like, we gotta get her. We gotta get her, we gotta get her. Because we all know that's what vultures always say to each other. And you're not getting anything. There's nothing I have to hide. I live my life in the light. I can only destroy myself. You can't destroy me, okay?
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Now spend the rest of the season watching me destroy myself. So there is this one guy who looks just like Mitch McConnell. Did you catch him? And they just kept. They just kept showing him because they just. They just kept cutting to him after every line going. Just horrified, shaking his jowls. So funny. So Meredith sees Lisa, and Lisa's, like, being overly nice to the host. Like, oh, my God. Hi. So good to see you. Can't wait to tell you what Blake said about Joe. And then she looks at. At the other girls and she's like, oh, hi.
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Hi.
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Oh, anyway, Amy, who's. Who? Best friends. Oh, my God. You know what, Amy? I wish we were having this meeting across the restaurant from each other at Taco Tally, and I'll start.
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And Samarit is like, oh, hi, Lisa. You missed out on the trip. We were in an RV without a cappuccino maker. It was quite interesting. And certain quote unquote animals were across the river. And she's like, yeah, I had lunch with Heather. Yeah, she kind of told me everything.
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Yeah. Like, she told me who was a good friend and who wasn't a good friend. And she told me, like, legal stuff came up. Like, was there anything else I missed? And she's already, like, doing the hair flip and straighten thing with her two fingers. Flip, straighten, flip, straighten. Well, you know, there was a lot. Sadly, a lot. And I think that the women need to have a chance to talk with you and say what they said because it was not nice. I was not nice.
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So Britney just interrupts and she's like, sorry, I didn't mean. I didn't mean to interrupt, but I'm just here to interrupt and be in the scene. She's like, no, you didn't. You know, I missed you. Okay. I haven't seen you in so long. What's your perspective on the trip? Which I love that, like, they're such good Friends. They haven't seen each other in months. Britney's like, well, you know, like, Ron was. Was the one who, like, she was, like, pulling out the hacks out of. Out of the air and, you know, sort of interrupting my big announcement that I got engaged and I got disengaged. And, I don't know, I just felt like I was sort of, like, trampled on, you know, things like that. Yeah. And what did Angie have to say? Well, she compared you to Jen Shaw.
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Oh, she did not. She did not. No, she really did. Are you cutting me? And she's like, oh, my God. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just saying. So then Whitney, Heather, and Bronwyn are listening to all of this or standing right in the little circle next to them. And so Lisa's going off and say, that is a horrible, horrible accusation. She's comparing me to Jen Shaw. Are you kidding me right now? That is psycho. You know what? You called me a criminal in front of my friends. Like, I would never do that to you. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that to someone I hated. Like, I was a great friend for Angie. I was a distance for Angie.
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She's. She's bringing back her catchphrase from last year. Go the distance. So then we see. We do see, you know, footage of her defending Angie, even up to Meredith. So Lisa's like, this is how you repay me. Oh. So. So then we go over to Whitney and Bronwyn and Marion. Angie and Whitney is like, they're talking about you. And Bronwyn's like, oh, well, Britney told Lisa about you. And she's like, what did they say about me? Were they comparing me to some Greek yogurt? It's like that you compared Lisa to Jen Shaw. Slightly different. Yeah.
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And Mary's like, shut up. She's a mess. Mary loves it. So Lisa's like, you know what? We're gonna have a conversation. And Jake. And Jake, you know what? We need to have a chat. So I heard some conversations that you had. Do you want to fill me? And she's like, yeah, I would love to. What did Brittany tell so I can undo her mess?
B
Well, what do you want to say to me? Well, I'll tell you this. It got brought up the lawsuits, and Bronwyn's bringing her documents, and she's bringing information. Yeah, well, Bronwyn did not go to law school, and I doubt she even went to college. So maybe, like, not believe our time that Bronwan's ass.
A
Okay, well, we know Bronwyn went to college.
B
Yeah, well, she went to college because she had to drop out from it. She had to drop out from college.
A
Yeah. So we know she went. She may not have finished, but who cares? You don't have to finish college to read fucking court transcripts that were. That have been publicized. Lisa. Lisa just. Oh, my God, this whole thing. Spoiler alert. Lisa fails in almost every aspect of this fight. So she's like, yeah, she probably didn't go to college, so don't believe her. And Angie's like, okay, hear me out. The way she described your lawsuits that came out and Bronwyn comes up and she's wearing, by the way, this. She looks like one of the large muppets that was run over by a bus. Just like a black.
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She's been wide shouldered.
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It's like the heart dress thing she did, but it's like really, It's a heart that goes really wide around the shoulders. She just looks. She looks fucking insane. So this becomes a lady pulling her own hair out fighting with a Muppet. A dead Muppet. So Brahm was like, you know what? You're not mad at Angie, okay? You're mad at me. So you know, I've worked on this fight now for two episodes and I think I deserve to have the fight. Lisa, so have to fight with me. The cameras are on me, so have to fight with me. She's like, no, you know what? I don't even know you. You can go away. I don't like you, non college goer. Okay? Go away, non college person. You probably don't even know what it's like to go through a cafeteria line and get Salisbury steak in college, okay? I'm not speaking to you, only nj.
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You're dismissed. You're dismissed. Oh, oh, oh, I'm dismissed. Lisa, I think what you mean is, please judge, dismiss those lawsuits against me. I really outdid myself with that one. I really did. I really did.
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This is also good because Bronwyn's level of confidence is so high. And knowing that in the middle of the season she's going to get smacked with all of her own allegations is just, it's just so fun watching her build her up so high, you know, herself up so high. I can't wait. So Lisa's like, you know what? This isn't for you. I don't want to talk to yo if it's about me, I'm the one who started it. It's me. Talk to me because I started it, okay? I earned this. This has nothing to do with Angie. You're upset with me for what I said. She goes, I'm not upset with you. I don't even like you. I don't even like you. Okay? It's like me being upset. It's like me being upset with, like, deli meat. I don't like deli meat. Why would I yell at it?
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Who's deli meat? Is she a new cast member? Quiet, Whitney. Okay, Angie, enough. And I. Angie and I have more history than you and I do, so we can work our stuff out. She's like, yeah, but like, Angie, she just told you. I'm the one who said it, okay? And so Meredith jumps in and goes, I think this is not great timing. I think this is really not the right time for you to be here.
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Yeah, you're loitering. You're loitering. That's what you're doing. You're loitering. She's loitering at this point. Okay, no loitering allowed. Okay, no loitering allowed.
B
What are you, a parking lot outside of. I guess it's so bad outside of Denny's.
A
There's no solicitation here. There's no solicitation loiterer. You know what? Bathrooms are for customers only. Please. I can't even.
B
No shirt, no shoes, no service. I'm sorry. Make the rules.
A
Stop it. Hey, why don't you not go to college more? Why don't you go enroll in. Not college some more?
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Don't reverse. Otherwise your tires could face severe damage.
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So now the husbands are in a separate room, and they're, like, just standing around awkwardly, kind of giggling at each other. And Seth is like, so, Jared, are you in love with Britney? He's like, well, you know. Yeah, I love. But you love her. But are you in love with her? Well, I died. I died, and they just start cracking up because he's such a goober. So then we go back to Lisa, and she's like, you know what? I have zero interests in talking to loiterers. Do you have a permit to even be protesting here? I can't.
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I can't talk to everybody about me. And then you don't want to talk to me.
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Yeah. You know why? Yeah, because you're dishonest. You're dishonest. Oh, yeah. That's why. Oh. Oh, it's true.
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I said stuff about you that should make people have to question and pause about what's going on in your life and that.
A
Yeah. You know what?
B
Honest.
A
Yeah. You know what? I have a Lot to question about you. You got dick sucker. Yeah, so why don't I question that? You know, how did your dick go?
B
Oh, so I'm a dick sucker now? Is that it? I'm a dick sucker now?
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Yeah, that's how you get your clothes. That's how you get all your money from dick sucking.
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I like that. When she says, I'm a dick sucker now, Lisa goes, gout, dick sucker. Come on. I spent all day coming up with that. Do the whole thing.
A
Wait a minute. I thought gout was in your feet. I didn't even know you could have got dick.
B
Yeah, I don't know if you can't have gout, dick. I also think it happens in your hand. In your fingers too, right? Don't. You can't. I'm not even gonna get into gout. So then Heather's like, oh, I haven't heard about someone called. Called Galt dick since the Civil War. Since the Battle of Gettysburg. May gout take hold of your willies, you treasonous bastards. Molly Sorensen does like to abduct children who have gout. This is true.
A
So I'm talking about public record now. I'm a dick sucker. Wow, you've been hanging on out. You've been. What did you. Would you say you've been hanging out, either, Britney?
B
You've been hanging out.
A
Whatever.
B
I don't know.
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I don't know. So Lisa's like, you know what? You were a dick sucker before. That's how you have all your clothes. No, Lisa, my husband pays for my clothes. Yeah, because you suck his duck. That's what you brag about. Remember, guys? Remember when she bragged about sucking his duck for clothes? That's, like, so embarrassing. Like sucking the dick of your own husband. Like, who does that?
B
I don't know if this is a winning argument that.
A
No, it's not.
B
You have it so stupid. You engage in, like, sexual experiences with your own husband, and then you also get gifts.
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You're gonna slut shame somebody because you have court cases against. It's just stupid. It's just not going well. And Bronwyn's like, yeah, well, at least my husband pays for my clothes. Who's paying your amex, Lisa? Okay, someone in court records saying he pays your amex for years. So what's up with that, Lisa? Well, he took all the financials to court, Lisa, and so you can. You can. You can yell all you want, but those financials are in court.
B
So, yeah, it's a court case, everyone. Thanks, Whitney.
A
Yeah, it's in the court case. No, it's not. No, it's not. It's not even in the court case. And so we see snapshots of the court record. Plaintiffs made payments on an American Express card issued in Barlow's name, but residing and managed under this person's name.
B
So Lisa is like, did you tell Emma? Because I have a question for you. Did you tell Emma? Did you tell Emma? And Brahm's like, don't put your finger in my face. Don't put your finger mask. I'll do whatever I want to you, okay? I'm gonna do whatever I want. Don't put your finger in my face. Oh, my God. Brahman. Are we gonna get the head nod, too? Is that what you're gonna do? You're gonna. You're gonna get the head nod? Huh? Huh? Huh?
A
Oh, you can make fun of me all you want, Lisa. Okay, I'm not even nodding my head right now. Yes, you are. Like, I can't even see. Like, I can't. I can't even see your eyes right now. You're going so fast. No, Lisa, you can make fun of me all you want, but you know what? It doesn't change the fact that you have court documents. You have court documents, Lisa. Okay, you get an Amex bill. I get an Amex book. Okay? My Amex bills come in a book, Lisa. Okay, so what do you think about that? Do you think about.
B
Mine come in a. Mine come in a book.
A
That's mine come in a box, Lisa. Okay, yours come in an envelope. Mine come in a box. Okay, so what about that?
B
But you suck. You suck. You. You. You suck dick. You. You suck your husband's dick. It's like, but she's married to Todd. That's not a valid claim. But you snug when. When the album. I'll suck your dick. And she's like, yeah, but I'm in. I have it as a book. She's like, the point is that what happens when you're. This is what happens when you're friends with Lisa. You make a joke about her, and five years later, she's going to pull it out of her long arsenal about you to try to twist it and make you look bad. Fuck off.
A
Yeah. And she's like, yeah, Lisa, I do love sucking dick. I'm unfazed. I'm unfazed by that also. I want to look cool, so can I get a woo Woo. Wait a minute. That's how you pay your bills. You brag about it. And Whitney's like, but wait, she's married to Todd, so that's a valid claim on things. Claiming that's valid. So. So what?
B
I actually do enjoy having sex with my husband, so I'm unfazed by that accusation. So go for it. Go for it. Oh, yeah. Oh, so now she's okay with Todd, but in Mexico, she was, like, not okay with Todd. Actually, in a marriage, I have had ups and downs, and anybody who's here who's been married has had ups and downs, and that's not going to change the facts. Yeah, well, nobody talks worse about their husband than you do.
A
Ah, okay, well, nobody's borrowed more money behind their husband's back other than you, bitch. So what does that say about you, Bronwyn? She just killed this. She was so funny in this, and she knew everything Lisa was going to say, because Lisa just repeats the same old thing. And whenever Lisa gets in a fight, it's like, you're a slut. You're a slut. You're a slut. You know, that's like, Lisa's only thing to say. And Bronwyn came ready for that. You know, she's heard all of this before. So Lisa's just like, okay, you know what? You're not only a sleep slut who didn't go to college, but, like, you didn't. You think you're a lawyer and you didn't go to college slut who didn't go to college who's also a slut. And she's like, oh, really? Well, you should go to work and pay those fucking lawsuits off is what you should do. Oh, you know what? That's disgusting. You're a peg. Okay, you know what? I'm gonna create a website and post all of her lies. What if I did that? What if I did that? What if I made a. What if I made a website about it?
B
Like Mama said, When Lisa said, you should really go to school and Bronwyn said, you should. You should go to work and pay those lawsuits off, I was like, oh, my God, I died. So Brahmin's like, okay, so you're gonna start a negative online campaign. We know, you know, we know you love to do that, Lisa. You've done it to many of us already, so I love that you're threatening to do that again. Okay, this is a joke. This is such a joke. This is a joke. It's a joke. Oh, where's Amy?
A
Oh, yeah, Whitney. I like that. They just kept keep cutting to Whitney being like, yeah, yeah, like, you tell him Whitney. So Lisa ends up just walking away because she just lost that one. And everybody is standing around, like, covering their face. They're like, oh, my God. Lisa just got her ass handed to her. Where do we go from here?
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Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: September 24, 2025
In this episode, Ben and Ronnie continue their animated, hilarious recap of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Season 6, Episode 2. With their trademark snark and affection for Bravo’s messiest cast, they dive into the latest drama—focusing especially on the ever-escalating feud between Bronwyn and Lisa, the fallout over lawsuits, and cringeworthy moments in both group and one-on-one encounters. The hosts also provide their biting signature commentary on cast dynamics, fashion choices, and the reality of reality-TV conflicts.
“She was so funny as a wasted person. I just forgot about this.” (Ronnie, 04:36)
“Five people are suing you. You've got one offering your own text messages as evidence.” (Bronwyn as paraphrased by Ben, 07:36)
“Credit to just sitting there and having this conversation on camera and how she's dealing with it...” (Ben, 11:18)
“She has a very low-key way of making herself, in retrospect, seem very small. And it's like, you're not small, Bronwyn. You're very big and very outspoken.” (17:09)
“I live my life in the light. I can only destroy myself. You can't destroy me, okay?” (25:52)
“Lisa just got her ass handed to her. Where do we go from here?” (Ben, 40:32)
| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 02:04 | Whitney & Bronwyn's awkward friendship lunch | | 06:15 | Bronwyn/Whitney dig into Lisa’s lawsuits | | 10:20 | Mary & Robert Jr. addiction discussion | | 12:25 | Heather & Bronwyn’s awkward lunch and word salad | | 16:54 | Bronwyn “shuts down” vs. being combative | | 20:04 | Bronwyn confronts online mud-slinging & motivations | | 23:35 | Amy’s party, “hands with champagne wall” entrance | | 25:52 | Lisa’s “I live my life in the light” speech | | 30:45 | Bronwyn vs. Lisa: lawsuit & college insults escalate | | 34:31 | The infamous “gout dick” and Amex book fight | | 38:06 | Bronwyn’s comeback: “I do love sucking dick…” | | 40:09 | Lisa walks away, hosts debrief the fallout |
This episode of Watch What Crappens leans into the absurdity of RHOSLC’s cast drama, using the high drama of lawsuits, “gout dick” slurs, and Twitter fights as fodder for whip-smart comedy. Ben and Ronnie’s back-and-forth ensures listeners not only keep up with Salt Lake’s storylines, but get a much-needed dose of Bravo-satirist wisdom—reminding us that, no matter how messy things get, it’s always best served with a laugh (and maybe a pom-pom dress).