#3012 RHOC S19E12 Part 1: Self Defense Classless

Summary

Watch What Crappens Ep #3012: RHOC S19E12 Part 1

Date: September 26, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Episode Title: “Self Defense Classless”

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Overview

In this lively episode, Ben and Ronnie recap and lampoon The Real Housewives of Orange County Season 19, Episode 12, titled "Self Defense Classless." The hosts break down the fallout from the group's Temecula trip, the escalating tensions between Tamra and Shannon, Gretchen's return to music drama, and the ongoing wedding saga with Jen. Blending sharp wit and Bravo superfan energy, the hosts dissect housewives' antics, expose the season's "iconic moment drought," and take hilarious aim at side characters (and their significant others).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Reunion Tales & Podcast Mixer Anecdotes

[03:00–05:40]

• Ronnie and Ben swap stories about attending a recent podcaster mixer, mingling with other Bravo podcast hosts and even meeting a TikTok “eater” influencer with 1.5 million followers.
• Ronnie jokes about the allure of content based solely on eating and the experience of watching the influencer eat steak in person.

The Self Defense Class & Trip Fallout

[06:02–09:07]

• The episode opens at the self-defense class: Gretchen, Heather, Gina, and Shannon reunite, reflecting on their recent Temecula trip.
• Ben & Ronnie highlight the comedic contrast between how Gina perceives “progress” between Tamra and Shannon (there was none), cueing a flashback of their unresolved dinner drama.
• Quote (Ben, 07:15): “Every time I say one thing, you jumped at my throat faster than kettle one jumps down your throat. I’m sick of it.”
• The hosts lampoon the overuse of “Gretchers”—Gina’s nickname for Gretchen—and Gretchen’s criticism of Tamra’s singing.

Housewives as Singers (and Petty Receipts)

[09:17–10:28]

• Discussion detours to Tamra’s resurfaced singing clip—“celebrate the way”—with Ben performing it and noting how short and meme-able it is.
• The hosts riff on housewives throwing shade about each other’s singing skills.
• Quote (Ben, 09:42): “All she does is go ‘celebrate the way’—that’s it. And I have that little refrain in my head all week long.”

Slade’s Involvement & Gretchen’s Double Standards

[10:28–12:16]

• The guys roast the revelation that Gretchen has alleged audio of Tamra singing (and shade about Slade and Gretchen’s randomness).
• Slade is mocked for allegedly exaggerating his production credentials and being a questionable “housewife husband.”
• Ronnie, 14:28: “Don’t marry this man. I’m telling you right now, do not marry this man. This man’s gonna cheat on you. This man’s gonna take all your money. Nothing good’s going on with this man.”

Housewives Family Time – Home Scenes

[11:09–13:56]

• Shannon’s awkward FaceTime with her daughter Sophie, with comedic references to “Magnums” (do they mean the ice cream or something else?).
• Gina is dying her kid’s hair with Brit—the hosts dub Brit a “Kelly Dodd with downers.”
• Heather’s Parisian daughter chat and Emily’s cheeky daughter/nail salon convo are recapped with the guys mocking Emily’s daughter’s precociousness.
• Quote (Emily’s daughter, 13:56): “Yeah, that’s when you hook up with men. I mean, you know, she’s close.”

Jen’s Wedding Anxiety (with Ryan)

[14:28–18:52]

• Jen vacillates over her wedding date, the status of her relationship with Ryan, and arranging her nuptials around her son’s military schedule—all of which Ronnie deems underwhelming.
• Both hosts agree Jen’s wedding drama is “the most low key housewives wedding planning we’ve seen, by the way. There’s like this casual, kind of wedding thing happening in the background of the season, and, like, no one cares about it.” (Ben, 17:03)
• Notable banter: Ronnie suggests Jen “just get married in a parking lot and call it a day.”

Shannon’s Perpetual Misery & Tamra’s Drinking Allegations

[19:00–21:21]

• The fallout from Temecula is dissected, particularly Shannon’s moodiness and icy car ride home.
• Ronnie calls out Shannon’s misery as her brand, but argues it’s now “90% of the time.”
• Quote (Ronnie, 20:49): “I am extremely upset, and I will not even share with you people the Avocado Mountain story. You told us that one already, Jen. Dammit.”

Tamra & Eddie – Hollywood Bound

[23:20–28:16]

• Tamra is prepping her daughter Sophia for music school in Hollywood and reflecting on the “basic” college experiences she missed by having Ryan young.
• Ben and Ronnie joke that Sophia should escape Orange County for the “edgy artist life.”
• They mock the show’s use of flashbacks—the hosts’ Bravo knowledge allows them to draw parallels to past scenes with Max Todd and others.

Tamra vs Shannon: The Drinking (and Father Issues) Debate

[27:03–28:35]

• Tamra claims she was only trying to “help” Shannon by talking about her dad’s drinking.
• Ben and Ronnie riff on Tamra's victim narrative, joking about the frequency with which she calls Shannon’s dad an alcoholic: "You just can't call anybody an alcoholic anymore. I can't do this with this woman anymore. I'm too hot for this." (Tamra, 27:28)
• Shannon is convinced Tamra will betray her, mocking her own cyclical friendships: “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, I will start a show called Trace Amigos with you. Fool me three times, I will scream at you…” (Shannon/Ronnie, 28:35)

Revisiting Tamra & Gretchen’s Rivalry

[29:42–38:45]

• The hosts dissect Tamra’s ability to “reframe” herself as a victim, even spinning her long campaign against Gretchen.
• The infamous “Eddie is gay?” rumor resurfacing is satirized.
• Ronnie cracks: “Tamra, she’s so good at reframing everything because she knows they can only show so many clips.”

Gretchen & Slade—Villain Edit or Earned?

[39:38–42:16]

• Debate over whether Gretchen is “evil” (Ben: “She’s not evil”).
• Ronnie lampoons Eddie and Gretchen’s “don’t throw [objects] if you live in a [metaphorical] house” logic.
• Gretchen’s handling of Slade’s behavior (body shaming Tamra, stirring drama) is scrutinized: “He’s a piece of [bleep], and you can’t just be like, oh, he just always goes a little bit too far.” (Ben, 37:49)
• Ronnie: “She likes him because she uses him as her battering ram… so she can blame him and look innocent.”

Emily and Gina: The “Non-Iconic” Housewives Problem

[44:00–48:55]

• Ben calls out that Emily and Gina have been on Bravo 7–8 years without a single iconic moment or GIF: “There’s just nothing. It’s just a big groan.”
• Ronnie runs a test using GIF search—no Emily or Gina; even “boring” former HW Lydia gets GIFs. “If you’re doing a top 100 moments...what moment are you putting in for Emily and Gina?”
• Both agree: it’s likely time for new blood in OC.

Gretchen’s Hypocrisy and Tamra’s Song

[48:59–50:20]

• Gretchen tries to frame herself as not wanting to be a “mean girl,” but Ben calls out that she gleefully participated in shaming Tamra’s singing and alludes to alleged affairs.
• Quote (Ben, 50:05): “You provided the fire...Don’t act like you were like, held against your will to become a mean girl.”

Hollywood Dreaming: Tamra and Sophia

[50:20–54:17]

• Tamra and Sophia (artist alias: Ugly Angel) tour the music institute, with Tamra unfamiliar with music legends on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
• Sweet, if awkward, mother-daughter moments about leaving the nest. Tamra laments her own lost music school dreams.

Jen and Daughter Everly: Bougie Coming-of-Age

[54:31–58:52]

• Jen takes daughter Everly for her first facial, with conversation veering into school, boys, and being “collateral damage” amid Jen’s wedding to Ryan.
• Joint confessional banter is alternately touching and comically awkward: “Look at my daughter. Isn’t she so sweet? What a mess. Look at her. Obviously, look. She keeps on doing this. She keeps, like, pointing to her daughter, like, I mean, look. Am I right? Look. She’s a mess, my daughter.” (Ben, 57:10)
• Jen reassures Everly her dad is still family while prepping her to stand in the wedding—despite Ronnie’s insistence she shouldn’t marry Ryan.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ronnie on Gretchen’s TikTok “eater” encounter:
  “He was young. He was like a twink. But he. His whole thing was that he’s an eater on TikTok and I’ve been obsessed with it ever since...He just sits there and eats the food on TikTok. I’m in love with his life.” [04:29]

• Ben on Tamra’s song clip:
  “Celebrate the way—that’s it. And I have that little refrain in my head all week long.” [09:42]

• Ronnie (on Jen’s wedding storyline):
  “Just go back to your roots. Get married in a parking lot and call it a day.” [17:25]

• Ronnie (on Shannon’s misery):
  “Your misery level...listen, and I love Shannon’s misery...but it’s like 90% of the time now. It needs to be like 40%.” [20:13]

• Tamra (on Shannon’s family issues; as recapped by Ben):
  “You just can’t call anybody an alcoholic anymore. I can’t do this with this woman anymore. I’m too hot for this.” [27:28]

• Shannon, via comedic bit:
  “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, I will start a show called Trace Amigos with you.” [28:35]

• Ben (on Gina and Emily’s lack of iconic moments):
  “There’s just nothing. It’s just a big groan. And so now here’s Emily doing her shit again, and we’re going to the patterns again.” [46:35]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:00–05:40] – Opening banter, podcast mixer, TikTok “eater” story
• [06:02–09:07] – Self-defense class; trip fallout and singing shade
• [14:28–18:52] – Jen’s wedding planning and Ryan drama
• [19:00–21:21] – Shannon’s perpetual misery & Tamra’s accusations
• [23:20–28:16] – Tamra preps Sophia for L.A.; parent/child aspiration talk
• [29:42–38:45] – Tamra vs. Gretchen history and reframing
• [44:00–48:55] – Emily & Gina’s “iconic moment” drought dissected
• [54:31–58:52] – Jen and Everly’s facial/heart-to-heart (collateral damage bit)
• [59:13] – End of Part 1 announcement

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Series Tone & Style

• The hosts maintain their trademark humor: irreverent, shade-filled, but laced with affection for the Real Housewives universe (“We mock because we love”).
• For listeners, it’s a blend of Bravo encyclopedia, inside jokes, running gags, and sharp but loving satire.
• They seamlessly blend together deep show knowledge, quotes, and meta analysis with relentless banter—no one is spared, and every cast member’s foibles are fair game.

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Takeaways for New Listeners

• The episode is a must for RHOC fans but enjoyable for Bravo devotees at large.
• Even mundane OC subplots get the “Crappens” treatment—equal parts familiarity, exasperation, deep recall, and total derision (especially for underwhelming housewives and their partners).
• If you’re here for soundbites, housewife one-liners, and 360-degree snark, these hosts deliver.

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End of Part 1

Stay tuned for Part 2 of the recap for the resolution of RHOC S19E12!

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[Ronnie]

Well hello and welcome to watch what happens? I'm Ronnie and that's Ben. Hello, Ben.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

How are you?

[Ben]

How are you?

[Ronnie]

Welcome to Real Housewives of Orange County Day here on Watch what Crappens. Join us Monday for Amazon live at free 4pm you can find that on Amazon Live. Okay. And there will be links on our Instagram at Watch what Crappens. And also that's it. Oh, also, our bonus this week was a great British Bake off cast roast, which was really fun. So go check that out. Next week we're going to cover something totally different. It's going to be super fun. Ben's already picked what it is. I can't wait to do it. It's going to be amazing. Good one. So thanks for being here, everybody, and thanks to Jeff Lewis and his team who just did their show today at Sirius xm. That was super fun, fun. Thanks to Patreon. Actually, we went to a Patreon mixer last night and saw a bunch of podcasters that we love and adore and had a good time laughing with everybody. Lars from Sup, Matt Mar from Reality, Gaze Malls from Mother May. Asleep With Danger. I mean, so Courtney from Judgy Girls, Courtney from Two Judgy Girls, Brandi and Julie from Dumb gay politics. Heather McDonald was over there. All kinds of people over there. So it was good to see everybody. We actually met this guy who was a TikTok, and he was so cute and like, too young. So I'm not like thirsting over him or anything, but he was like a. He was young. He was like a twink. But he. His whole thing was that he's an eater on TikTok and I've been obsessed with it ever since. Like, I looked through his TikTok. I was like, how is this a thing? And when can I start? Like, what the hell? And how am I not met a man who's an eater. I want to meet an eater. That's so hot. He just sits there and eats the fucking food on the TikTok. I'm in love with his life.

[Ben]

Wait, how many followers did he have again?

[Ronnie]

Like, 1.5 million people, Ben.

[Ben]

Okay, Watching him eat.

[Ronnie]

Yes. I love it. And he was so sweet.

[Ben]

How privileged were we to be able to sit front row and watch him eat?

[Ronnie]

We watched him.

[Ben]

1.5 million people who are clamoring around their phones, and we got to watch him eat a steak right in front of our eyes. He was lovely. Also, we met Sanders, who does actually like a million podcasts, like Vibe Check, etc, but he's also on NPR and He's wonderful too. It was so cool. I love meeting the fellow podcasters and, like, chatting with them and having a good time. So, yeah, I'm like, if my voice is a little raspy today, it's because there was like a lot of, like, shout. Talking happiness. Like, oh, my God, yes, exactly. And drinking. So I apologize if I sound a little raspier. A little. A little more countlessly. And today, well, welcome. But that's just how it goes.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Super fun. So thanks for showing us a good time, fellow podcasters and patreon. And today we are back with Real Housewives of Orems County. Season 19 Episode 12 it's called defense. Defense is the best offense.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Okay.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's about self defense.

[Ronnie]

Right?

[Ben]

So we start actually at the self defense class. We're gonna get some, like, little clips to wet our appetite for future controversy. And it's Gretchen and Heather and Gina and Shannon. And Gretchen's like, are we ready for.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Sims out of fans? How was your guys trip?

[Ben]

And Gina's like, it was fun.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

And Gretchen's like, really? What'd you guys do?

[Ben]

And he's like, we roll these, like, motorcycles.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

And he's like, sidecars. And I film me and we see.

[Ronnie]

Clips of how fun this was with Shannon snot blowing all. Everybody. All over everybody. Wacky laughing and stuff.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And Gina thinks there was progress made between Tamara and Shannon. Okay. And we see the dinner and there was no progress. Okay?

[Ben]

No progress.

[Ronnie]

There was no progress. Tamara's like, you know what?

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I know it's a difficult competition, but, you know, real friends have conversations and, you know, real friends like me having conversations with real friends like you with real drunk dads. You know, I just. It's more. It's important that we talk about it. Okay?

[Ben]

Yeah, we see flashbacks to Shannon.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I grew up in a bit of chaos. Oh, yeah, because your dad drinks. No, Tamara, I know you're trying to help, but that's like too much.

[Ronnie]

It's just.

[Ben]

You know what?

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I can't. I cannot do this with you right now, Tamara. I cannot do this. Jesus Christ. Every time I say one thing, you jumped at my throat faster than kettle one jumps down your throat. I'm sick of it. Watch out. Another glass. Champagne. Stupid.

[Ronnie]

They're like, yeah, they did well. They did well. Good trip. It was a good trip.

[Ben]

It was a good trip. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for telling me that. Emily, do you mind telling me what you. How LA was? What was like. What was that like for you? She's like, well, gretchers.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Gretchers.

[Ben]

Which, by the way, now I actually hate it, thanks to you.

[Ronnie]

Stand it. Every time she says Gretchers I just.

[Ben]

Just can't take it.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I can't take it.

[Ronnie]

I'm gonna rip off my face if they say Gretchers one more time.

[Ben]

Gretcher says loose lips when she drinks a lot of fireball.

[Ronnie]

And of course, she was.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Gretchen was saying, I have audio of her trying to sing in a studio, and it was not very good.

[Ronnie]

Gretchen, have you heard yourself? I'm not saying the Tamra sounded good, but you are throwing, you know, water balloons in a carnival. That didn't make much sense. I really don't like you.

[Ben]

That sounds nice.

[Ronnie]

Throwing.

[Ben]

That sounds endearing.

[Ronnie]

I just don't, like. Don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house. I mean, I get what it means. It just sounds so painful because I like throwing rocks. I don't care if I live in a glass house. I don't want to be covered in gashes.

[Ben]

You really shouldn't throw anything if you're living in a. In a glass house. I just want to put that out.

[Ronnie]

Literally nothing. Well, water balloon, I guess.

[Ben]

Why are you throwing anything in any sort of house?

[Ronnie]

Don't.

[Ben]

If you're in a house, don't throw anything. It's still a house, okay? You can get. You mess up a wall. Just stop throwing things, okay? Don't throw pearl necklaces when you live in a. When you live in a blonde house. It doesn't make sense either.

[Ronnie]

No, none of it makes sense. You're hack. And you're a terrible singer. So please stop with your voice judging. Okay? That's the point.

[Ben]

I have to say, for those of us who are lucky enough to have heard that recording of Tamra that, of course, resurfaced over the past week, it's sort of been in my head, like, the recording is. It's. The recording's like, 30 seconds, but, like, her actual singing is maybe two. Literally two seconds. And all she does. Let me see if I have access to my falsetto today. But all she does is go celebrate the way. That's it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And I have that, like, little refrain in my head all, like, all week long.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it was just a tiny little. A tiny little snippet. So, yeah. So Gretchers, Gretcher showed it. And so then we see the clip of Slade being like, I'm all. Actually, the two of them started messing around and they forgot they were recording the guy from Nelson. Both of the brothers from Nelson, she was banging them both while they were singing a song about no hate. And Emily's like, wait, there's audio of them having sex. Let me see that whole clip. And then Tamara hears all this and.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

She'S like, wow, rabbits. Wow. Wow. Really?

[Ronnie]

She's doing that, like, thing where she makes blow lips. And she's just like, yeah, really?

[Ben]

The old sucking on the invisible straw face. So then we see, like, stuff that we're gonna get to anyway, but it's basically like. And then not too long afterwards, fighting. So now, 48 hours earlier, and Shannon's.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

At her house talking to Archie. Oh, my God. I'm calling, hey, Archie, I'm gonna call Sophie on the phone. Oh, and you want to call Sophie right now? Archie, do you want to do that? Archie.

[Ben]

Archie, you're not still drawing from that walk late at night, are you?

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Come on, Archie. Where to call Sophie.

[Ronnie]

So she does. And Sophie has, I'm assuming, a new gay friend in her apartment building. Because I don't know anybody else who would talk to a mom like this. But Shannon's like, oh, wow, Andrew, thank you. Because when Sophie called me and said she wanted to come home, she was at your place. And I just love that you live in the same building and you watch out for her. And he's like, oh, yeah, I also brought the goods for us. Wine, candy, and Magnums.

[Ben]

I was like, wow. Well, wow. I. I'm hoping that you're discussing the chocolate covered ice cream treat that you can get in a freezer section. Please tell me that's what you're saying.

[Ronnie]

Please say it's the Blu Ray of Magnum PI because that was one handsome man. If anybody can get over heartbreak is with that one.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Good. That mustache.

[Ben]

I tell my lady friends.

[Ronnie]

With my daughter, you heathen. Okay, good to call. Good to talk to you.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Oh, God.

[Ben]

Oh, magnet bi. I tell you.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Friday nights, 8:00pm, one hour, do not disturb, because Tom Selleck is on my TV and I am wearing my blue Bloods T shirt. Okay.

[Ronnie]

So then we go to Brit's house. Gina is coloring her kid's hair with Brit in the kitchen, who's just basically Kelly Dodd. It's like she's a Kelly Dodd with like, downers, like the crazy pills or whatever. So they're dying the kids hair and they actually bleach it blonde.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

And she's like, oh, my God, you look just like your mommy. He's blonde just like his mommy.

[Ronnie]

And now we just need to get you a dryer scalp.

[Ben]

Yeah. And then we go to Heather and she is FaceTiming with her daughter on FaceTime. She's like, hello. Are you excited to be wrapping up your tour of duty in Paris? She's like, you. Yeah, I just don't want to leave. And she's like, oh, really? You don't want to leave? And she's like, you want to see Vincent the cat? She's like, yes, please show me Vincent. Grandma's on the phone. Grandma. You know, it's so funny. I remember one time we put Wendy Malik on FaceTime for Vincent, and that cat crawled up to the ceiling. Oh, God. Good memories.

[Ronnie]

I've never had a cat ask me to be put down before. So then we go over to Emily's house, and her daughter Annabelle's painting her nails. And she's like, I'm gonna show you how some of this works. Because you're like a little Delulu, Mom. You're the lulu. You don't understand nails. I'm gonna get you some busted nails. Mom.

[Ben]

Yeah. Mom, you know what used to get, like, really dark red, right? Isn't that what you used to put on? Yeah, it's called hooker red. Yeah, I bet. Used to be one. Oh, stop.

[Ronnie]

You don't even know what that means. She's like, yeah, I do. That's. When do you hook up with men? I mean, you know, she's close. And Emily's like, I've been with your father for 16 years. All right? And Annabelle's like, yeah, but what was before that? And Emily just makes a look at the camera, like, yeah, no kidding. My level was there before.

[Ben]

That was aspirations. And then Shane. Oh, thanks, Mom.

[Ronnie]

So then we go to Jen. Jen's house. And Ryan comes in. Totally just casual, not ready for TV at all. He's got, like, blinding teeth. And, like, perfect. Terry's like, hello, it's me, Ryan. Hi. I thought we said we weren't going to get stressed over this wedding. Wink. Don't marry this man. I'm telling you right now, do not marry this man. This man's gonna cheat on you. This man's gonna take all your money. Nothing good's going on with this man.

[Ben]

We all can see it coming.

[Ronnie]

It's obvious. It's blinding. It's as blinding as those teefers. Don't do it.

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah. So she's like, well, I'm just, like, going back and forth. Like, do you feel like we should maybe do the September wedding instead? I don't know. What do you think? Still waiting out. Holding out for that offer from Bravo? He's like, listen, I think that sometimes you just need to, like, put a flag in the ground. Right? Put a boner in the jeans. Okay, we're just gonna do in September. We're just gonna stop waffling. Oh, my God, waffling. I didn't even know that was part of the buffet. Oh, I have to go back to the wedding planner now.

[Ronnie]

I can't have waffles as part of the buffet. They're gonna have fatty photos of me. You know how these girls are.

[Ben]

I thought we left waffling in the past.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she's like, well, I. I just got so freaked out because Dawson's moving. He's going into the Marines, and I just was starting to put every wheel in motion and get everything planned, and my son's going into number. What does that have to do with anything? Just have your wedding. It's a bikini wedding. It doesn't take that much planning. I mean, what are you getting some sandwich trays from Ralph's? Just buried, for Christ's sake.

[Ben]

Yeah, she. I guess. I guess her reasoning is that she was, like, thinking about moving up the wedding so that way Dawson could go before he goes to the Marines. Are you not allowed to go to your mom's wedding if you're in the Marines? Do they not give exemptions for that?

[Ronnie]

I think so.

[Ben]

I don't know.

[Ronnie]

I don't think. I don't know.

[Ben]

I thought like, family values.

[Ronnie]

Have you not watched that show with Teresa Giudice? It's on right now. You would know.

[Ben]

Special forces.

[Ronnie]

Special Forces unit. Yeah.

[Ben]

How about special exemptions for special occasions?

[Ronnie]

My mom's getting married in a bikini this weekend. Can I gonna be like, no, no, no.

[Ben]

It's like, oh, it's like. That's like what our. It's like we have the to do things other than you going to bikini wedding. So she is like, I'm. She's like, well, I just kind of had this freak out moment, you know, I was like, oh, my God, I'm marrying a guy who has paint splatter on his denim. And I'm just like, still having them. And then I realized, Dawson's doing this, and then we're gonna get married. And then we'll get married, and then we'll work around that when Dawson's home. And I'm just like, I guess this was a flashback when she was talking to Gina, and Gina's like, you know.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Why are you putting that pressure on yourself?

[Ben]

So I guess that that helped Jen snap out. Out of this and not freaking out. So much about this wedding planning. This is the most low key housewives wedding planning we've ever seen, by the way. There's like this casual kind of like a wedding thing happening in the background of the season, and, like, no one cares about it. It's like barely even registering on any of our radars.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, just go back to your roots. Get married in a parking lot and call it a day. That's what I say. Just wear some flip flops on a bikini, get it done.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Last time she went back to her reads, she ended up putting my hair in her hair. I got married on tv, now she's getting married on tv. Oh, really? Really. I wore a bikini last summer. Now she wants to wear a bikini. Oh, my God. Single my female.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So she's like, freaking out about this wedding that nobody cares about. And I just, like, her whole attitude is like, this is really, really hard on the kids, seeing me marry somebody that's not their father. So I want to make sure they're all there to watch it. I know. Let Dawson take a break, okay? He actually has an excuse not to be there. Let the man live, okay? None of you signed his damn his damn loan for that kid to go to college, so just leave him alone. Let him go live his life.

[Ben]

You know, my first wedding was so wah, wah, wah, you know, violins and orchestra and sit down dinner and food and pasta hops and, you know, wedding band and music and people having fun and a photographer, and I just want the complete opposite of that. I want us to sit in chairs that are sinking into the mud and no one's even playing any music. It's just gonna be great. A great rebellion. I'm like, that first wedding sounded okay, but basically she's like, I want to get onto a boat. We're gonna drink Malibu and party all day long. We're just gonna have a big old trashy boat fun boat time. And that's it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then we. Why are we still in the scene?

[Ben]

It goes on for a very long time.

[Ronnie]

Still going on. I thought, now he is two pages ago. So now we're talking about Temecula. And she's like, well, the house was insane. And Tamara just kept saying, you should get married here. And I'm not gonna lie. There was a part of me that was like, this could be easy. Tamara's already booked it. Now I can book it. It'll be my place.

[Ben]

It's a trap. It's a trap because Tamara will be like, oh.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

All of a sudden, she, like, is having Like a wedding at the place that I said she should have a wedding with. Why is she copycatting all the things I tell her to do?

[Ben]

You know? It's like I would not touch it with a ten foot pole.

[Ronnie]

Now she's having a wedding in the house that I found. The house that I found.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

What's she gonna do next? Have a motorcycle in a side of garbage?

[Ronnie]

So she's talking about having dinner and then how things went south with Shannon and Tamra. And on the way home, Shannon didn't say one word. Shannon, stop being so fucking miserable. Like, honestly, you're on a TV show if you don't want to hang out. I don't blame you for not wanting to be around Tamara, but your misery level. Listen, and I love Shannon's misery. It's not like Shannon's never been miserable. That's Shannon's point is being miserable. Like, I get she's fulfilling her role on the show, but it's like 90% of the time now, it needs to be like 40% of the time. We need the good times mixed in with the bad times. Right now she's just. Ratchet. Ratchet. There, I said it. There, I said it. Or what? Are you gonna cancel me now? Ratchet.

[Ben]

No. And I gave her that word. I gave her that word. I. I did enjoy the flashback of them driving in Tamara's trash mobile and Shannon just looking out the window. Like, I am so angry. I'm so angry. I can do nothing but look at the beautiful scenery of Carl's Juniors and McDonald's going by as we drive back from Temecula to Orange County. I am just livid right now. And everyone will see it because I'm.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Looking out a window.

[Ronnie]

I am extremely upset, and I will not even share with you people the Avocado Mountain story. You told us that one already, Jen.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Dammit.

[Ronnie]

Fine.

[Ben]

Oh, okay. Well, we just. We just drove by and Annie says, I guess we're not gonna stop by and look for Fashions there.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

That's fine. That's fine. We don't have to go there. We don't have to go there.

[Ben]

Don't listen to me.

[Ronnie]

So Ryan's like, you know, I actually give Shannon a lot of credit because she's got her own boundaries, you know, and she's like, I tried and now I'm out. You know, and that's just how it is. Also, I hate Tamara's guts, so I'll support anything that Shannon does. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

Speaking of, let's go to Tamras where look who's back home. It's Eddie. It's Eddie, guys. Eddie back from Big Bear where he's been hiding out all season. Here he is.

[Ben]

He has come in and he said, you know what America? It's time to change things. Around this time you're gonna get some charisma out of me. Just kidding. He left the charisma and big Bear again. So now he's talking to the dog and he's like, you Poop more than any dog I've ever met.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Yeah, Eddie, that was a good one. Here. Here's some watermelon.

[Ben]

Wow, Very Martha Stewart of you. Okay, just because you serve something on a platter does not make you Martha Stewart. Come on, Eddie.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Well, I don't got anything to do, so I'm gonna take Sophia to the.

[Ronnie]

Music Institute in Hollywood, which I love because that was a scene that we saw of Lisa Vanderpump taking Max to Hollywood to the music school, and acting like it was like, I don't know, what's a war torn country right now? Insert war torn country here.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

He's like, oh, darling, I can't do it.

[Ronnie]

Please armor the car. Who are these people standing around on the street without showers?

[Ben]

Yeah, she really, like, she was acting horrified. She did look like she had, like, walked into Ukraine. She was like. She's like, oh, watch out for Putin. And she's just walking down Hollywood Boulevard. That was. It was really, truly like the scene in big business where the limo or the taxi cab drops them off, like, in the middle of the Bronx and Bette Midler and Lily Tomlin have to, like, walk to the subway. And they're like, like, what do we do? So Tamara is. Yeah, she's talking. We have a flashback of her talking to Sophia, who is, like, ready to go up to LA and, like, you know, advance her music career. God bless. This is the right move for this. This poor girl. Get out of there. And Tamara's like, it's gonna be a.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Sad day when Sophia moves out of the house. But then I'll be the hottest one in the house again, bitch. She's my last one at home. But I want her to experience going to college, making those friendships, going out, having fun, coming home late, doing things I wasn't able to do. Afternoon snacks, late night snacks, going to Starbucks, waking up in the morning.

[Ben]

I'm like, these are such basic things. Like, I wanted to go outside. I wanted to make friends.

[Ronnie]

Poor Tamara.

[Ben]

She's really been deprived of some. Some real building blocks of just living.

[Ronnie]

I mean, I get the college part.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

But she's like, yeah, making friendships, going out, having fun, coming home late. You know, stuff I wasn't able to do.

[Ronnie]

Tamara, we watched you going out, having friends, ruining friends, coming home late. And you've done all that. What are you talking about? But I get what she's saying, you know, how can. How can you have Ryan at such a young age and now be at this age and look at what Ryan has become and not feel like God damn it.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I could have gone to music school. What the hell? I wasted my time.

[Ben]

We've been watching this show for about 19 years now, and every time we see one of these housewives, children preparing to spread their wings, I think we're all just kind of like, do it. Get out. Get out while you can. Don't be in this.

[Ronnie]

Change your name. You could be the one your fingerprints off. You know, Just get the hell out of here.

[Ben]

Especially this girl. She's so sweet, and she's like, an artist, and she's, like, edgy, and she sort of has, like, a Joan Jet kind of hairstyle. I'm like, you should not be in Orange County. This is not your place. Go to Hollywood. Go to Silver Lake. Find the hipsters. Be with the artists. Do not stay here in, like, Costa Mesa or San Juan Capistrano. This is not like Dana Point is not for you. Sophia. Please go. Go find your path.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Tamara's like, you know, Shannon.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Shannon was miserable on that trip. Just back and miserable. Yeah. And you shared with me that your dad had a drinking problem. You know what? So I said, maybe your dad has a drinking problem. And she said, how dare you? I mean, I just can't say anything about it. You just can't call anybody an alcoholic anymore. I can't do this with this woman anymore. I'm too hot for this.

[Ben]

And Eddie's like, well, until somebody is ready to help themselves, you can't help them. Right, Martha Stewart?

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Yeah. That is good. She was up and up. She was talking about the difficulties she had growing up and the problems she had with her dad. And I was just trying to add to that conversation and not call her out or anything. I wasn't trying to call her out. I was just trying to remind her that her alcoholic bloodline has a 0.10 BAC level. That's it. Yeah. You know, she got mad at me for calling her dad an alcoholic because I said, her dad's an alcoholic. You know? Cause her dad, he's an alcoholic. I hope she doesn't get mad that I'm saying the dad's an alcoholic so many times in a row. You know, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, especially if it lands in an apple martini glass. You know what I'm saying?

[Ronnie]

So she's pulling her whole like.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I just don't know why she's so mad at me. I just tried to help. I didn't think it was such a big secret.

[Ronnie]

And then we cut to Shannon's like.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Oh, I, I, I wish that I.

[Ronnie]

Could believe that Tamara had only good intentions, but I know her. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, I will start a.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Show called Trace Amigos with you.

[Ronnie]

Fool me three times, I will scream at you until you try to have me thrown into a mental hospital.

[Ben]

Screw me four times, I'm gonna make you salmon with on the inside.

[Ronnie]

Stuff a salmon with cream cheese and serve it to you before I yell at you.

[Ben]

Fool me five times, I will. I will have you go move to New York and give my daughter magnums. Fool me. Fool me six times, I will. I will go to Elucille Roberts and.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I will complain to the manager. You.

[Ronnie]

She has crossed the line with me. I will never be friends with this one. Hold on. Tamara's calling. Hello. I will meet you at lunch. Can't wait to see you. Love you, too.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Okay, wait a second. That was a robo call. Okay, well, fool me seven times, and.

[Ben]

I will not answer the phone any longer. Well, she's calling back. Hold on one second. Okay. Oh, it's another robocall.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Okay, well, yeah, and I'm just trying to move forward with bitching, too, but that's just a whole different circumstance because this girl attacked me for 12 years.

[Ben]

This reframing, this reef. I'm sorry, but this reframing of Tamra, this episode cracked me up. The way she has turned the tables and made herself her own victim where she's like. She's like, say that. That Gretchen's been attacking her. For 12 years, she's been attacking me. We have been watching. We will always remember that reunion. We will remember. Naked, wasted. We will remember the re. We will remember.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Did you go to Bass Lake?

[Ben]

I mean, we, like you, have been coming for Gretchen all this time, and at this point, if Gretchen comes for you, it's just like. It's. It's kind of like earned retaliation in my mind at this point.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. It's just Tamara, she's so good at reframing everything because she knows they can only show so many clips, right? So. And we. The proof of Gretchen coming for her is 2017 at dinner.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

So do you know if Eddie's gay or not?

[Ronnie]

And one of the guys saying, I saw him making out with the guy. Dun, dun, dun. So Eddie is like, yeah, you're talking to Gretchen. Why would you talk to Gretchen? And now let's go over to Gretchen's house. Yeah.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Skyler Gray.

[Ben]

Skyler Gray. Isn't that sort of like naming your kid Gray Skies? I don't know. Well, they'll clear up. So then the doorbell rings, and it's actually.

[Ronnie]

It's actually two brands of vodka in one. You've got sky and Grey Goose. I'm not really sure if you want me to drink your baby. Do you want me to drink your baby?

[Ben]

Well, you know, I. There is a rumor that she was conceived while they were listening to the Mr. Belvedere theme songs.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Well hidden. Three for three.

[Ben]

So that's as far as I can get with my vodka jokes.

[Ronnie]

Run, run.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Absolutely.

[Ben]

So anyway, I love that there's a lady who arrives to pick up Skylar Gray to take her to school or as a nanny or something. Her name is Miss Aliyah, and she is basically like the nanny from Muppet Babies, because we don't see her. We just hear Gretchen.

[Ronnie]

I don't even believe there was anybody there. I think it was just a Facebook filter or it was an Instagram filter that came to pick that kid up. Because Gretchen's like, protect your skin. She's just like, take this filter with you. Wear it everywhere you go.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Ms. Aaliyah is here for you. Go away with Miss Aliyah.

[Ben]

Miss Aliyah's like, I'm not. I will not be seen on camera with this lady. I will not.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Gretchen's like, are you sure you don't want to put some pearls in your ears?

[Ben]

Like, no, just give me the child. It's like, I don't want to come.

[Ronnie]

Anywhere near you where you're going to try and erase my face again. Do you remember when she was. When she first had her kid and she was like, face tuning the baby on Instagram and people were having a fit?

[Ben]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

Like, you know, FaceTime. You don't face tune a baby. What do you. What is wrong with you? Gretchen? She's got an obsession. She can't stop erasing everyone she loves.

[Ben]

She just is like, listen, no one is opposed to face tuning. It's. It's a fun little thing to do. But Gretchen just, like, puts it on Max and then goes back and, like, it's locked in and she face tunes it again. So that way it's like, face tune on the face tune. And then, like, pretty much like half the people on her Instagram look like that. That Jesus, like, adjustment that that little old lady did in Spain. You know, it's just like. It's just like a gradient. Everyone just has gradient faces. Gradients with eyes. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

She's like, but I don't want my.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Baby to look old.

[Ronnie]

It's like, it's your baby's. One would you stop face tuning the baby, okay? Everyone thinks you've given birth to a pencil eraser. So a pencil eraser with a bow in its hair and a crucifix around its neck, you know, come on, Jesus, give the baby a break.

[Ben]

So Gretchen is. Now that the. Now that the child has disappeared into the ether, Gretchen is like, I was.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

So tired last night. I went to sleep, and I felt like I didn't get to fill you in. We were all having fun and being silly and letting loose, and somehow my music got brought up, and it made me feel. That made me think about when Tamara went out to the press and was talking.

[Ronnie]

Tamara, Barney says no housewives should sing. Defines her own. Bravo. Job description. That's the headline we see. And Slade's like, oh, so you talked about her music career?

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

She goes, yeah, about the music. And so that bridge coming from Tamara talking about housewives trying to sing. She's in the freaking studio trying to sing, and she's sounding like a drowned rat.

[Ronnie]

I like that. She just keeps saying that. No one's told her that. That's not what drowned rat is. So you look like a drowned rat. You don't sing like a drowned rat. Maybe you sing like a rat that's, like, stuck in a door. I don't know.

[Ben]

Also, if the rat's drowned, it's not singing. There's no noise coming out of that rat. Also, to be fair, when Gretchen says, that's rich coming from Tamra, like, see, you're lying again on camera. Nothing. Rich comes from Tamra. She's not a rich housewife.

[Ronnie]

So they ask her if she's heard Tamara's singing voice.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

She goes, yeah, it was not great. But that's okay because she gets an A forever.

[Ronnie]

Gretchen, we've heard you sing. I mean, I can't stress this enough. Just you're not. Don't bring up anyone singing and especially your own, please don't bring up the ears. No one needs us. So Slade's like, oh, yeah. So he's like, oh, yeah. The song she did in that studio where she fucked Nelson. Yeah, I remember. Like, Slade doesn't know this conversation's coming up. We saw you guys on the phone two nights ago talking about this whole thing. Slade's like, you guys talked about this so bad at this. By the way, have you seen Slade's website, his production website? Someone posted it on Reddit, and it's like this production company, it's all. All the people on it except for him are from AI they're like, people that you can search the pictures and they show up from, like, you know, image sites where you can pick images and pay for them. And then the credits. He's like, yeah, we've produced Real Housewives of Orange county and Marriage Boot Camp. You have not produced them. You've been an under five on these shows, sir. Or like a one season wonder on these shows. You're not a producer.

[Ben]

It's so crazy below the line. So Gretchen is like, yeah, well, I.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Was trying to talk about the music. So the fact that you brought up the part that we told you to bring up, God, that really frustrated me. I'm like, legitimately, like, mad that you brought it up.

[Ben]

And he's like, oh, yeah, I apologize. It wasn't my intent to cause conflict by saying on camera that Tamara was boning a member of a boy band. Possibly, Possibly Nelson, possibly another one. And the fact is that she's the one that did it. So sorry. Like, you are such a. Don't make us stand up for Tamara on this one. But you're being a real piece of as usual, Slade.

[Ronnie]

Well, that's the thing, you know, And Gretchen can't last on this show because she's. She's gonna get fired for the same reason she got fired before Slade. Who wants to work with Slade trying to be a housewife over there, starting fights with housewives, saying vile things about like, we're not here for this, Slade. Okay? We're not here for you. Go away and take your eraser face with you, please.

[Ben]

Yeah, and Gretchen, Gretchen tells us, you know, Slade is, you know, you know his shenanigans. Shout out Sheena. Shenanigans. He always goes more than what that one he needs to talk about. And then we see a footage of Slade saying that Tamara looks like the Michelin man, you know, on his stand up. I'm like, gretchen, you married this man. Like, why is this not a deal breaker for you? I'm sorry. I think this is a deal breaker. I think this is actually like, he's. He's a piece of. And you can't just be like, oh, he just always goes a little bit too far. No, that's terrible, because Tamara goes too far too. And look how. Look, look what your thoughts are on Tamara going too far, but then the guy. But yet you're willing to also just like, bring this man into your life.

[Ronnie]

She likes him because she uses him as her batting ram. You know, she's going. I think as far as he is, she just likes it. So she's like, she Can. She can send Slate out to do all her dirty work and spread all this shit like she has all season and then be like, oh, then she can blame him and look like, oh.

[Ben]

You know, man, you know, Gretchen has. Gretchen has the ability to be like, a really. Like a really good real housewife. She really does. You know, when she first burst on the scene, she was great. I was such a big fan of hers. She came back on this season, I was like, wow, Gretchen is killing it. And in all cases, her. She starts to curdle because of Slade. And it's just. It's unfortunate because I. I hate seeing. I hate seeing Raw Housewives talent not being used to its fullest. And Slade is just always going to be the. The metal ball that her. That will drag her down. It's. It's a shame.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So she's like, that guy's in the.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Doghouse right now for sure.

[Ronnie]

So she wants to move forward, but, you know, everything's gonn her of something Tamara's done to her in the past. And Slade's like, well, I'm not giving you advice because I'm bitter as hell over all that stuff, but, you know, I'm trying to be a better person. I don't even know that she's trying, but look at me. At least I'm trying. Just, you know, spreading roofy rumors and. Yeah, like, you're really trying, Slade. Okay, so then back in Tamri's yard, Eddie says, yeah, you know, Gretchen, I don't think she's even a good person. I mean, Shannon's harmless, you know, unless you're a house that's in the way. And she's just very to herself, you know, she's not malicious. She's just wacky. I'm okay with her, but Gretchen. I think Gretchen's evil. Okay. You're kind of invalid, though, because you're sitting. You're married to Tamara.

[Ben]

Yeah. Gretchen's not evil. I'm sorry. She's not evil.

[Ronnie]

Don't throw dumpsters when you live in a possum house.

[Ben]

He's like, she was calling me gay. She is the epitome of evil. G. Who would even say such a thing? Like, you should be so lucky, Eddie.

[Ronnie]

No kidding. It's a compliment.

[Ben]

You could use it. You could use some ganu.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, so Slade's like, he can't put the toothpaste back in the tube after all the stuff she said about me and Ryan. It doesn't get taken away. Like, how does a person like that have an authentic relationship? With anyone.

[Ben]

Well, that's actually fair. So Gretchen. So Gretchen's like, well, I do think.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

That they've already realized it. For instance, even with Emily yesterday, she has a whole thing where she's saying to me about Tamra that she doesn't like Tamra. That's a flashback sound.

[Ronnie]

Let me trust Tamra, because, like, do I want to hand over information that's sensitive or personal, and then one day she pulls it out and throws it back at me? No, thank you. Do I want to pull out this turkey sandwich from my purse and share it with Tamra? No, I don't. Will I eat this turkey sandwich right now to remind America that I'm a wacky person?

[Ben]

I will.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

It's from my purse.

[Ben]

I love Emily saying she doesn't want to hand over information that's sensitive or personal because it might get thrown back at her, which is what Emily does every single episode of this show. Literally.

[Ronnie]

That's all Emily does is. Is take everyone's sensitive information and explode it in their face over and over again.

[Ben]

And she also cons people into thinking that she's on their side. Like for instance, right here, when Emily says that she wouldn't trust Tamra, but then immediately. And she's gonna curry some favor with Gretchen and build a bond, and Gretchen will sort of like do some light confiding, and then Emily will go and run to Tamra and then explode it all up.

[Ronnie]

And it's. It's one thing that's always made me crazy about Emily is she can't even play a long game. You know what I mean? Like, a good, talented Real Housewife would do what she's doing in a more subtle way and just build a case and keep it going. But she's. It's like five seconds later, she's like, oh, so you don't like Tamara either? No, she doesn't like you. Tamara. Okay, so you have a recording. Okay. And this happened to the record timer. She has recordings. Like, oh, my God, your season would actually be much more entertaining if you weren't blowing your load every episode. You know, so impatient.

[Ben]

Yeah. And yet she's gonna railroad Katie off for being, you know, shady when Emily is doing all this, every single episode in an uninteresting way. And then they're all dumb. They fall for it. And it's like, she's so transparent. That's all these people.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And now look what happens. She doesn't have Kaylee Katie to bully and mess with anymore, so now they're going to turn on Gretchen, which I don't like Gretchen. So I'm fine with it. But it does show that she's just going to try and ruin whoever else is next. You know, Lame, lame Emily. Bad work, lazy work, lazy housewifery commercials.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

So Ronnie, you just got something from Quince, didn't you? Didn't something just arrive?

[Ronnie]

It is a gorge. Speaking of cashmere, I just got a cashmere hoodie from them. It's like an oatmeal color. It is so beautiful. Like I'm almost afraid to wear it because I don't want to mess it up. It's one of the nicest things in my wardrobe. So when I need to class it up this fall, you will be seeing me in this hoodie.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

Well, there's turkey sandwich. That is.

[Ben]

That is no turkey sandwich. No, I mean, that's not even really that much of a thing. Like, we. It really. It was like, in that season, it was sort of a thing. But, you know, like, all these years later and, like, the truth is, everyone. Everyone has said, like, Gina is actually awesome. Like, that. Everyone who's worked with Gina said, like, she's kind of the best. And I have to imagine maybe that's why they come back, because maybe, maybe Bravo really likes working with them. And I have no doubts that they are probably, like, cool people. But the truth is, we've been watching these people and. And some seasons they're better than others. Sometimes we're like, you know what they actually are? They're doing their job. They're stirring the pot. Why are we always so shitty to them? But I think the issue is that even with the stirring the pot, even with doing the things they're supposed to be doing, we're this deep in, and there's still nothing for us to grasp onto as fans. It just is like. It's just a big groan. And so now here's Emily doing her shit again, and we're going to the patterns again.

[Ronnie]

Here's how I judge how successful a Real Housewife is. That's why I was looking at my phone in case anybody's thinking, I'm just over here texting while Ben's talking. I was looking this up. I like to go, you know when you send a text and you can send a GIF or whatever, like the images section. So I'm showing it to people on demand right here. So that's what I do. I type in Real Housewives of Orange County. Kelly Dodd is first just making, like, a little movement. It's like a movement thing. No words. And then we have Tamra's. That's my opinion. Then we Have Tamra's. God, I hate her. Then we have the messy gay that's with Gina Keough throwing a wine glass at. For him getting in there screaming, that's why you're getting a divorce. And then we have Vicky's whoop it up. And then we have Shannon screaming something. We have Gretchen, who's like, we might.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

As well throw jello shots into it.

[Ronnie]

We have a couple of Heathers. Another Heather, some Vicky, some Tamra. We even have a Megan King Edmonds in here.

[Ben]

Megan King Edmonds had moments.

[Ronnie]

We even have the swimsuit designer Lizzie saying something.

[Ben]

Lizzie has.

[Ronnie]

We have another Kelly Dodd. There is not an Emily or Gina in this entire thing after eight years. I mean, even. Even that boring lady. What's her name? Yeah. I got to be more specific on this show, right?

[Ben]

Ronwin.

[Ronnie]

No, the one. Lydia.

[Ben]

Lydia. Lydia likes a couple. Yeah. I mean, like. Like, you. You can say, oh, remember the time when Megan King Edmonds was just, like, tenacious against. They can remember the time when so and so did this. Remember when this. Remember when Heather, like, sat down Shannon and, like, read over filth or, like, yelled at Taylor about IMDb? Like, there's always. They're like, little snippets that, like, that, like, we. We grasp onto. But like, with Gina and Emily looking back, there's nothing. But there's no, like, one. No, like, those special moments. Like, if you're doing a top 100 moments of all time with Real Housewives, what moment are you putting in for Emily and Gina? I'm not even trying to be mean. I'm just building a case of, like, I think it's time. I think it's time. I think. I think their. Their time has come.

[Ronnie]

Get rid of them. Okay, so Gretchen's like, yeah, I mean.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

She'S literally pushing, pushing, being part of, like, trying to hear the song, which is going to make her friends sound bad. So she doesn't like Tamra either, because she wanted me to play the song.

[Ronnie]

Gretchen, you brought up the song. Of course they're going to want to hear the song. You can't make them sound like bad friends just for wanting to hear this.

[Ben]

Yeah, see?

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

So she's like, yeah, like, was I.

[Ronnie]

Proud of the fact that even.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

That it even got to that. No, but my heart and soul was telling me, like, I don't want to be a mean girl. And that's not my intent. That's why I called you to be mean, so I didn't have to be mean. Why were you me. That was so mean? Of you to be mean. I'm so mad at you in the doghouse.

[Ben]

Here's the thing, Gretchen. You could have been messy and you could have been like, oh, well, you know, Tamara tried to sing and you could have literally just left it at that. It would have been funny and try to. But you said, yeah, remember when she was having the affair with Nelson? It's like you said, like, you add. You. You can't act like I was trying so hard not to be a mean girl. When you added the. You not only. You didn't add flames to the fire, you didn't add like oil to the gas. The fire.

[Ronnie]

You.

[Ben]

You provided the fo. You provided the matches, provided the gas, you provided the little. The little drum that the fire is in. You provide the logs. You. You provided everything for the. You were the fire. Don't act like you were like, held against your will to become a mean girl.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So now we go to Tamra with her daughter walking down the glamorous Hollywood Boulevard and they're naming stars, they're looking at stars. And Tamara, they just don't know anybody.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Tamara's like, who's Patti Page? Sounds like a bitch. Who's Bob Hope? That's a stupid name. Fred Astaire. What? What the heck? Okay, here we are at the Music Institute after walking down a whole street of no names. Losers. You're a bunch of losers.

[Ben]

Okay?

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

They should have poop emojis instead of. Instead of size. Bunch of poopoos. Stupid.

[Ben]

So they go in and Sophia meets with the guy in there and he gives like a tour. And Tamara's talking about how, you know.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

She'S like, oh yeah, she makes her own music now. She could probably tell you better than me. I'm just a hot one who's here for the ride.

[Ben]

And they just go on a little tour and it's like, it's. It's cute. It's nice. I'm actually happy for Sophia. And there are definitely flashbacks in our minds to Max Todd, etc, and we, we go through all these facilities. And the funny part was at one point she's talking about what kind of. She's. She's saying Sophia's talking about the music, like her inspirations. And she's like, I really like Alice Glass at Crystal Castles and like trip hop stuff like Massive Attack and LTP is pretty cool. And she's like, what? Which is a fun, neat little tie back callback to the original scene.

[Ronnie]

So Sophia's like, yeah, my name is Ugly Angel. That's my artist Name? And Tamara's like, ugly angel.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

This is stupid.

[Ronnie]

And he's like, yeah, that's edgy. That's edgy. And for paying tuition, I'll pretend that that's a good choice. She's like, yeah, I'm really inspired by people. So they. You know, they look at the tour and the facility and stuff, and then it's time for them to talk, you know? So Paul has to leave, and Tamara's.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Like, hey, you up for this? Because whatever enrollment methods, we should get you in here. Are you gonna drive? Are you gonna move here? You want to move here? You should move here. You should move here. Ryan lives right on the corner. He's right out there right now shaking some change in the can. Come on, go live with Ryan. You're gonna love it.

[Ben]

Just like. Well, you know, I just feel so much more confident about this now because I don't want to be stagnant, you know? I mean, look at you, Mother. Like, hey, yeah, but that's. That's the last thing I want to be. But, like, sometimes I'm, like, okay with being on my own now, you know? So they. Tamara wants to cry, of course. And Sophie is like, dude, you cry at everything. It's, like, actually absurd how often you're crying, Mom. Like, I appreciate your support, but, like, enough for the tears, okay?

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I love you, Sydney. I. I just want to say, Sydney, you're doing the best job, and I've done the best job raising you. And no one named Sydney is ever going to call me a bad mother again.

[Ronnie]

My name's Sophia.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Shut up. Shut up. Just shut up. Just go with it. Roll with it. You know, When I was 20 years old, my dream was to go to the Fashion Institute. You know, I wanted to do some fashion, believe it or not.

[Ben]

That is hard to believe, Mother.

[Ronnie]

It really is. You would think that you would have read something about fashion before ever going to do that. I mean, so you wanted to go to the Fashion Institute, and now you just defile it every day of your life.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I was to give every girl in North America shoulder pads and cutouts. I always wanted to bring those kind of shirts that are just two pieces of cloth under your armpits that you pull towards the middle of your chest, and then you tie off with a giant brass door knocker. I've always wanted to bring those to the. To the masses. If I had my way, every girl and every woman in America would have gumdrop hair. But at last, I never got to do it. I got tired at home with the Baby. And that was just different life for me. Just a different, different life with a horrible, horrible little baby.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, mom, you're probably my biggest fan. Like, you've been so supportive. I'm so grateful.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

And what's your name?

[Ronnie]

Sydney.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Okay, good job. I'll pay for it. Okay, good job.

[Ronnie]

So then we go to a med lounge, and Jen is going to get a facial with her daughter, Everly.

[Ben]

Everly. This poor. This sweet girl, Everly. She's, like, way too normal to be on the show. I mean, this is what always happens on Orange County. Well, I shouldn't say Orange county actually has some. I would not say it's track record with, like, super chill, normal kids is great. But this is something on Housewives that we see a lot is just like, these really lovely kids. And you're like, why are they being dragged into this? So they go and they get facials, and this is Everly's first ever facial. It's a big moment for her, you know? Like, I know, like, in my religion, when you turn 13, you have, like, a bar bat mitzvah and you become an adult. And I know in, like, blonde religion, when you get your first facial, you become an adult. So I'm just, like, so proud of this. This sweet person.

[Ronnie]

Blonde religion. Yeah, so they do that. They talk about boys, and she's going to high school, and she wants a boyfriend. Mom, you had a boyfriend in high school. Yeah, but, like, when I was young, that's what everybody did. But, you know, you're supposed to be at home, you know, doing dances with your elbows on the Internet. Isn't that what kids do now? Like, no, I want a boyfriend. So they have, like, good, cute small talk, but then it moves on to marrying Ryan. And she's like, so, you know, when you get married, typically you have your best friend stand with you. And, you know, Tamara's accusing me of being a stalker right now. And as I'm gonna probably wear the bikini she wore last weekend on our trip, I don't think it would be appropriate to ask her. So I wanted to tell you, you're my best friend. Would you like to stand for me at my wedding? And she's like, I mean, I've never even been to a wedding, mom, and my first wedding will be standing. She's like, is it weird me being married to Jack Tripper's neighbor instead of your dad? And she's like, not really. I'm really happy for you, Mom. She's like, okay, well, are you sure you're wor.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Marry him.

[Ronnie]

Please don't marry that man. Please don't worry that he wears hello Kitty jogging suits.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Please.

[Ben]

And I love that. Like, we see that the two of them are doing, like, this joint confessionals, and Jen is like, you know, and Everly's, like, sitting there, like, crying, and Jen's, like. I mean, Will and I, we were. We were a really good family. And when that splits and that goes away, I mean, there's. There's just no relationship anymore. I mean, it's truly, like, morning. I mean, obviously, look. Look at this one, just sobbing. Look at this man. What a mess. Look at my daughter. Isn't she so sweet? What a mess. Look at her. Obviously, look, look. She keeps on doing this. She keeps, like, pointing to her daughter, like, I mean, look. Am I right? Look. She's a mess, my daughter.

[Ronnie]

Look at her. Look at her mourn. It is crazy. It's like, yeah, well, let me tell you why I want to be married again. I want to be married because I love having a partner, okay? And Ryan's my partner. And I feel like dad and I were parents. And marrying Brian changes nothing because I'm still a parent, and your dad's still a parent. So you see how that works? So I still love your dad. You know, I just don't want to speak to him or have him in my vicinity. But he feels like family for me. Family that I hate. And I will always fight for that relationship with dad.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Always.

[Ronnie]

Which I'm doing by marrying the man I cheated with him in a parking lot of Tamara's gym. So it's gonna go great. She's like, please don't marry.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I can't stand.

[Ronnie]

I can't look at his teeth without hurting my eyes.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Please, Mom.

[Ben]

It's just such a shitty trade because I'm finally prioritizing. I'm finally being prioritized in a relationship with a man who spends time with me and who's my best friend. And then I look at the collateral damage. This one over here, Dum Dum next to me. Look at her crying.

[Ronnie]

This was so crazy when she goes, look at the collateral damage. And she just points at Everly, who's, like, sitting there crying. She's like, look at it. Look at that. Collateral damage.

[Ben]

We had to postpone her first facial by two years because she couldn't stop crying. Oh, God. It's in these moments where I just feel like a failure. I mean, big old blubbery mess next to me. Can you even call yourself a success as a parent when you got this one next to you on national television? I don't think so.

[Ronnie]

Do you think that your mom's a failure and Everly's like, no, I don't think my mom's a failure at all. Just. Yeah. Well, it's just gonna take some time to work on the confident answering, but thank you. Thank you so much, Everly. Thank you so much. Cd Mo Collateral damage.

[Ben]

Cd. You know, I just want to marry my best friend and show you the best version of your mom that may have some paint splattered on her face that was supposed to be going onto the denim. And I just want to do want you to do that by my side. Okay. But you're going to have to not cry at the wedding. Well, you can cry, but like happy tears, not collateral damage tears. You can do that, right?

[Ronnie]

Congratulations. You've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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