#3013 RHOC S19E12 Part 2: Self Defense Classless

Summary

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Watch What Crappens – Ep. 3013

RHOC S19E12 Part 2: Self Defense Classless
Date: September 26, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam (Wondery)

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Overview

In this episode, Ben and Ronnie deliver their signature hilarious, irreverent recap of “The Real Housewives of Orange County” Season 19, Episode 12, focusing on the Housewives’ wild self-defense class outing. While the drama of simulated carjackings, awkward roleplay, and petty feuds unfolds, the hosts dish out biting commentary and Bravo-deep references, mixing genuine pop culture insight with improv-style humor. This is part two of their two-part coverage for the episode.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Gretchen’s “Tomb Raider” Moment & The Self-Defense Invite

• Gretchen’s Entry: The hosts roast Gretchen Rossi’s dramatic outfit for the self-defense class—a “Lara Croft” (or as she says, “Lara Craft”) costume with a showy braid and leather belt.

  “Only she would think it’s really funny to call someone Lara Craft instead of Lara Croft.” – Ronnie (03:12)

• Background on Gretchen’s Trauma: The crew unpacks Gretchen’s real-life lawsuit involving defamation, stalking, and leaked personal photos, acknowledging there’s actual “dark stuff” behind her interest in self-defense.

  “Watch What Crappens: Where you get your Gretchen Rossi legal news education!” – Brandy (05:08)

2. Housewives Arrivals – Expectations and Stereotypes

• Witty banter as each Housewife receives their invite. Notably, Heather suggests Shannon needs self-defense mainly “from carbs, all day long.” (05:41)
• Ben and Ronnie compare past RHOC costumes and call back to infamous moments (Madame Swim, Lydia as Charlie Chaplin).

3. The Simulated Carjacking Prank

• Set-up: The Housewives are subjected to staged carjacking/prank led by the instructors.
• Reactions:
  • Tamara shoves Gina to “take the bullet,” with Ben noting how this challenges normal morality but is “strategy” in Tamara-world (13:08).
  • Gina, shaken, jokes about beauty products in lieu of valuables.
  • Shannon more disturbed by the thought of someone digging in a dumpster than the carjacking itself.
  • Post-prank, the Housewives express genuine distress:

    “This was a horrible thing to do to anybody. I didn’t like this.” – Brandy (13:18)

• Critical Take: The hosts question the producer’s judgment, referencing past cringeworthy Bravo stunts.

  “You’d think one would roll up their window…” – Ronnie (15:04)

4. Self-Defense and Shooting Range Antics

• Divided Groups:
  • One group learns basic fighting/self-defense moves, poking fun at Gina’s fatalism (“I’m going to die, so what should I do?” – Gina, 21:23)
  • The other tries (fake) projectile guns.
• Standout Moments:
  • Tamara dominates the shooting range:

    “I’m a sniper with my words. So target shooting? It’s a breeze.” – Gretchen on Tamara (27:35)

  • Shannon takes down every target as if exorcising her Housewives demons.

5. Recapping Drama & Digging Old Wounds

• The women break into their usual gossip circles; past feuds and rumors are reignited.
• Gretchen vs. Tamara: Betty as the theme, with accusations that Gretchen is obsessed with Tamara, but Gretchen insists it’s always “in response to things she’s said.”
  • Extended riffing about a supposed Tamara pop single and slanderous rumors involving boyband neighbors.

6. The “Affair” Rumor & Hypocrisy Wars

• Debate over whether Gretchen holds incriminating secrets about Tamara, or vice versa.
  • “You want me to talk? Go ahead and talk. … it’s gonna be ugly for you.” – Tamara (44:52)
• The hosts highlight the absurdity of both women’s posturing; neither seems “innocent.”
  • “It was a clusterfuck of suing because they used to be fucking.” – Brandy (38:11)

7. Signature Watch What Crappens Humor & Observations

• Heather as a Video Game Final Boss:

  “She is kind of like the final boss in a video game. … 38 floors, you’re not gonna make it!” – Ronnie (11:02)

• Running Jokes:
  • Alfredo sauce as personal security detail
  • “Panic rooms” as Shannon’s favorite normal rooms
  • “Turkey sandwiches out of pockets”
• On Tamara’s Escapes:

  “When Tamara is wrong and caught, she runs the hell away. She does it every single time.” – Brandy (46:50)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Gretchen’s Lawsuit History:

  “Welcome to your education. Watch What Crappens. Yeah, you didn’t have your Google alert set for Gretchen Rossi news.” – Brandy (05:08)

• On Tamara’s carjacking technique:

  “I think anytime you, like, put Gina in front of a would-be mugger, they’d be like, ‘Uh, there’s nothing in those pockets.’” – Ronnie (13:37)

• On Housewives as expert marksmen:

  “She just has to envision several mannequins wearing non-leopard print. … Kill it! Kill it!” – Ronnie & Gretchen on Shannon (28:02)

• On the cyclical nature of their fights:

  “It was a clusterfuck of suing because they used to be fucking.” – Brandy (38:11)

• On Tamara dodging blame:

  “You want me to talk? Go ahead and talk. … it’s gonna be ugly for you.” – Tamara (44:52)

• On Housewives gossip philosophy:

  “The student has become the master. The turkey has become the sandwich. The salad has become the tuna.” – Jen (37:41)

• Surreal callback:

  “If you’ve got a boy band neighbor who wants to fuck you, it’s your duty as an American to fuck the boy band guy.” – Brandy (47:06)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:19 | Gretchen’s self-defense class invite and lawsuit backstory | | 05:41 | Housewives’ reactions to being invited | | 08:47 | Carpool arrivals, speculation on the outing | | 12:23 | Carjacking prank setup and reactions | | 15:40 | Reactions post-carjacking prank, critique of scene realism | | 21:13 | Group splits for self-defense & gun range | | 27:35 | Tamara shines at shooting range | | 29:54 | Rehash of earlier trips, Tamara’s pop song rumors | | 36:11 | Gretchen accused of the same rumor-mongering she condemns in Tamara | | 44:52 | Final Gretchen/Tamara showdown over secrets, manipulation, and 12-year vendetta | | 46:50 | Ben and Ronnie’s meta-analysis of Housewives' behavior (running from conflict)|

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Tone & Style

The episode is characteristically zany and sharp, blending Bravo fandom with snark, personal anecdote, and improvisational riffing. They deliver both biting and affectionate parodies of the Housewives, never letting the drama get too heavy but acknowledging real-life consequences (stalking, lawsuits).

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Conclusion

True to form, Ben and Ronnie tear into every detail of the Housewives’ alleged “self-defense” journey, using it as a launchpad for classic Bravo-watching inside jokes, satirical commentary, and a deep-dive on RHOC lore. Their breakdown balances the ridiculous elements of the show with a meta-critique of reality TV conflict, all while making listeners feel like they’re at a hilarious watch party with Bravo’s most devoted—and most sarcastic—fans.

If you missed part one, go back and listen for the full overview of this memorable episode.

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[Ronnie]

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[Gina]

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[Ronnie]

We just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right.

[Gina]

Back into the recap.

[Brandy]

So then we go to United Defense Tactical and Gretchen arrives in some weird jumpsuit with a leather belt and a crazy braid. You know how I was talking on Salt Lake City this week about all the bad hair in that party that they went to at Amy Steele's house? House? And how there was that lady with giant gumdrop Hair like Republican. Like, I guess not Republican, but like news lady. Yeah, like Fox News lady. Helmet hair, but then a big, long braid. Gretchen has that hair today. Is that just the thing that they're doing now? Is that in the blonde religion?

[Tamara]

What's happening?

[Ronnie]

Are gumdrops. Back in the blonde religion?

[Brandy]

Maybe braids? It's weird. So she comes in looking crazy, and.

[Tamara]

She'S like, yeah, I'm trying to look like. What do you call her name? Lara Croft. Yeah. To call her Craft, because that's how I am. I'm dumb. So I want to say Craft.

[Ronnie]

Only she would think it's really funny to call someone Lara Craft instead of Lara Croft.

[Gretchen]

Oh, my God. Isn't that funny? I said Lara Craft. You know, my intent was. My intent wasn't to create a costume out of my look for today, but then when I started doing it, I was like, I look like Lara Croft. Or is it Craft? However, I just went with it.

[Brandy]

Yeah. So she's very excited, you know, because we need to learn to defend ourselves and be confident, and there's so much shit that women go through, which is all true, obviously, but she Sundays, I have seven counts against an individual, including stalking and harassment. So I've been in this situation before, which is why Slade wanted me to come here to begin with. So is she talking about Jay? Because that's the lawsuit, right? Because it says there's a headline, and it says, real Housewives of Orange County, Gretchen Rossi awarded $500,000 in LawsonU. So that was Jay, right?

[Ronnie]

Jay who?

[Brandy]

The guy that she was accused of sleeping with in Bass Lake.

[Ronnie]

Oh, geez.

[Brandy]

Wow. Lawsuit. I think that's who it was. The Real Housewives of Orange county filed her suit against former acquaintance J photo in 2010 when she claimed he lied about her being unfaithful to her late fiance, Jeff.

[Ronnie]

I thought maybe Ms. J from America's Next Top Model. Mich is like, I'm not stalking you. I'm just trying to get you to wear something better.

[Brandy]

Oh, my gosh. So she's saying this guy was lying about having an affair with her. Oh, wow. That's crazy. She also claimed he stole her personal property, including nude photos, and released online and threatened her. They awarded Rossi 523250, and he filed for bankruptcy in 2012 and attempted to have the judgment discharged now. Oh, wow. Damn. I didn't know all that stuff happened. That's crazy.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I didn't know either.

[Brandy]

Welcome to your education. Watch what crap ins. Yeah, you didn't have your Google alert. Set for Gretchen Rossi news.

[Ronnie]

I forgot.

[Brandy]

So she has been a scary situation. So it's a self defense class, okay? So she's inviting everybody to do this thing, and we see everybody getting the invite call, you know, housewives trope, where we see everybody's reaction to the call, the invite. And so Gretchen invites Heather. And Heather's like, this is so good. You know, who needs that? Shannon. Shannon needs self defense. I mean, God bless her. She's just being attacked by carbs all day long. All day.

[Heather]

Listen, anytime someone raises a hand to me, I just push them down the staircase back into the basement.

[Brandy]

So then actually we find out it's not a joke. Actually, I don't remember this part. So I was making a joke out of it because we find out there's a clip of the lie detector party where Gina says there's, there's somebody literally stalking Shannon. And Shannon's, like, targeting me. You know, he's, he's stalking me. I forgot about that. Sorry to make jokes. Geez, that's dark. I don't remember that.

[Ronnie]

It is really dark. So, honey, you were. You are like Gretchen herself. You are like evil incarnate, as per Eddie.

[Brandy]

Wow.

[Tamara]

You made me do it.

[Ronnie]

You would slay. It is scary. And it's like, it's like people need to really just, like, settle down on the stalking front. Like, get, like, get a hobby.

[Brandy]

Shannon around, like, what?

[Tamara]

Please.

[Ronnie]

It's terrible.

[Brandy]

Just someone sitting out.

[Ronnie]

Such a violation.

[Brandy]

The. That's creepy. So then, yeah, so then this guy's like, oh, yeah. It's important for people to understand they're not prepared because people train to be prepared. So today we're doing reality awareness. So, yeah, that's what we're gonna work on today. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So people are gonna show up, and so everyone's, like, arriving in cars. Like, Shannon, like, Jen comes to pick up Shannon. And Shannon is, like, in character as Madame Swim because remember that hilarious character last season? And by the way, I just want to say, as long as we're going down, my earlier thing about Gina and, and Emily, about how, like, even Lydia has moments. Even we, we can even think of Lydia anytime. I, I, I cannot tell you how many times I think about Lydia being in drag as Charlie Chaplin.

[Brandy]

I'm being horrified. She's like, I'm Christian. I can't go to Hamburger Mary's.

[Ronnie]

That image will haunt me for the rest of my life in that little hat. Oh.

[Brandy]

Like, how can you not go to a place literally named after Jesus's mother?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. My, my. Yeah. My. My brain, my leap. There was Shannon as Madame Swim. And then I thought of Shannon dressing up as Brett Michaels and how she was as Brett Michaels walking with Lydia as Charlie Chaplin. That was. If anyone's wondering why I just brought that up out of nowhere, I realized it made sense in my brain and probably to no one else was listening.

[Brandy]

Well, it's interesting because you know who else remembered that clip? God, this week when he didn't rapture her ass. You remember? God remembers. Okay, so Shannon's like, wow, who does your hair? It looks great. Jen.

[Tamara]

It looks just like Tamara's.

[Brandy]

She's like, oh, it's this new person. I don't. I don't really get down with this kind of hair. I mean, this is a little sloppy for me.

[Tamara]

She's like, oh, it's very bohemian. Very bohemian.

[Brandy]

Delicious work on top of your head.

[Tamara]

I just love it.

[Gina]

Thank you so much. I don't know what that word means, but thank you so much. Then Gina is like, I didn't wear makeup today. It's like a physical day. Like, I don't care.

[Ronnie]

So they're all driving, etc. They're heading towards it and they're all wondering, like, what could it be? And Tamara's saying, it's probably. If Gretchen's doing it, there's probably a costume involved.

[Brandy]

Sure. And Lar, Lara Craft and Shannon's like.

[Tamara]

Well, if this is a panic room, I will not do it. I will not do it.

[Brandy]

And Jen goes, what do you do in a panic room?

[Tamara]

Panic.

[Brandy]

Panic room. I love that they're just gonna put them in a panic room and terrify them.

[Ronnie]

I love that Jen is like, oh.

[Gina]

I love the idea that there's a.

[Ronnie]

Room you can go into just to panic. Really helpful with this wedding coming up.

[Brandy]

A panic room. Or as Shannon calls them, rooms. So they're trying to guess what it is and they start arriving and Emily walks in and sees Gretchen and goes.

[Emily]

What the hell are you wearing? Jesus Christ.

[Brandy]

Listen, Emily talking about someone's fashion is like Gretchen talking about someone singing. Okay, don't do it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. The fact that Emily gets in here in her full on spaghetti strap wrestler look that she's been rocking and she's.

[Jen]

Like, she looks like Amazon Lara Croft.

[Ronnie]

It's like, maybe talk. Maybe. Let's, let's.

[Brandy]

Hello, Amazon pot. You're calling Amazon kettle. Okay. Both delivered in a day with Amazon Prime.

[Ronnie]

So she could have used some of Tamara's fashion. Fashion school experience.

[Brandy]

Yeah. This is what happens now that Tamara didn't go to fit.

[Tamara]

So Gretchen's like, yeah, it's my Tomb Raider look, girl.

[Brandy]

And she goes, what are you just.

[Emily]

You just sprung that hairstyle on your hairstylist.

[Brandy]

That's torture. Why would you do that? So then Heather's like, oh, wow. You're like G.I. jane. A role that I was up for. That. That slut Demi took from me. Well, she sure learned her lesson nowhere.

[Heather]

Look at her. Oscar loser. Demi Moore.

[Tamara]

Demi Groundlings.

[Brandy]

Class more Demi less.

[Tamara]

Ah.

[Heather]

Demi Lass.

[Ronnie]

The ground.

[Heather]

Last time I checked, she wasn't the star of a musical in the Groundlings.

[Emily]

I mean, she's gonna use that hair as a weapon. Maybe she's gonna wrap her hair around Tamara's throat.

[Brandy]

You get paid for this. So then Gretchen's like, yeah, I'm so.

[Tamara]

Excited for you to see it, because we've all been around in situations that can be sketchy times, and, like, especially where we live in the Orange county crime capital of the world.

[Jen]

And Emily's like, have you seen where Heather lives?

[Ronnie]

And, like, Heather doesn't even try to hide it.

[Heather]

She tells us, I'm on the 38th floor, and I've got, like, 12 security downstairs. I feel pretty good. One time, Richard Marks burst through, and he even got up to the 17th floor, but he was intercepted and sent.

[Ronnie]

Back to Orange County.

[Brandy]

Thank God he was beheaded by three different Alfredos.

[Ronnie]

So she literally is, like, the final boss in the video game. She's like, you have to go through 38 floors to get to me, and you're not gonna be able to make it. Sorry.

[Brandy]

Yeah, she is kind of like the final boss in a video game. I played that blonde girl. The Call of the Mountains. What is it called? Okay, I'm gonna look it up. You. You keep talking.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I'm not sure, but Gretchen's like, well.

[Gretchen]

Well, we have a little surprise set up for the next ladies that are arriving next.

[Ronnie]

So basically, there's like, a little bit of a fun Candid Camera moment where they're gonna set up a fake carjacking. So the. The first group of ladies, which is, like, Tamara and Gina and, like, maybe someone else, they show up, and they are, like, sort of parked and the windows are down. And this guy comes over, and he's like, spare new change? You guys got any change?

[Gretchen]

Like, no.

[Ronnie]

Sorry. And the guy's like, oh, wow, that's a nice car.

[Heather]

So freaking.

[Ronnie]

I'm so sick of you people lying. I know you got change.

[Gina]

It'.

[Ronnie]

And Tamara, she skedaddles out of there. So she, like, jumps across the car on the Inside in a way that I didn't even know you could move inside a car.

[Gretchen]

And she's like, get away from me.

[Brandy]

She literally pushes herself behind Gina, like, to throw Gina in the line of danger. I mean, the. This was a horrible thing to do to anybody, by the way. I didn't like this.

[Tamara]

This whole, like, let's pretend they're being carjacked.

[Brandy]

That's not cool. I mean, why would the producers do that? Do you not remember the Vanderpump rules cop scene calling? It's just. I didn't like this. I didn't like it at all. But it was worth it just to see how Tamra would react in that situation. Just throwing people overboard.

[Ronnie]

Well, it's. You know, normally most people would say it's cowardly to do that, but I think it was actually a pretty good technique because I think anytime you, like, put Gina in front of a would be mugger, they'd be like, oh, oh, I. Yeah, there's nothing in those pockets.

[Brandy]

We'll.

[Ronnie]

We'll go on. We'll go on. We believe you.

[Emily]

We believe you.

[Brandy]

There's nothing in your pockets.

[Tamara]

Sorry.

[Gina]

Do you want some Carabella skin care?

[Ronnie]

No, ma'. Am. No, it's okay.

[Brandy]

So the guy's like, haha, ladies, welcome to United Defense Tactical. And Sheena goes, that is not funny.

[Tamara]

That is not funny. You're a very scary gentleman.

[Gretchen]

Gretchen's like, she said scary gentleman.

[Ronnie]

So they go in and they were like. They start yelling at the driver.

[Gina]

Gina's like, colleen, you weren't driving the car. Like, what the hell, Colleen?

[Ronnie]

And Colleen's like, they told me not to say anything. Colleen, you know, Colleen must have loved this. We've seen Colleen over the years. She has to deal with these all the time. She's like, you know what? This is the best day I ever had at work watching them get scared like that.

[Brandy]

This is literally what I would do if they were getting robbed right now. I would just sit here. Also, what's weird about this is this situation isn't even ever addressed in the show. Like, what would you do if someone was trying to get to you through a window? Like, you can't use any of the tactics that they learned today in this situation. But whatever.

[Ronnie]

I love that none of them had the instinct to roll up their window, by the way.

[Gretchen]

They're all like, oh, look, it's a crazy man coming.

[Ronnie]

And they just sat there with a window open.

[Brandy]

Well, don't, don't, don't roll it up. He might want our autograph.

[Tamara]

Okay. Let's just wait and see.

[Gina]

Oh, there's a lot of toxins in here, so we have to have the window down.

[Tamara]

What if I had a heart attack? How would it suit the out of Gretchen? Although I wouldn't have gotten anything. Maybe a bag of groceries and a subscription to Facetune. A little baby with an eraser face.

[Ronnie]

It's fair. Fair point by Tamara.

[Gina]

So we're just like, I didn't like that. Like, I'm still like shaking. Oh, my God.

[Heather]

Heather's like, I thought you were going to poop. Kind of like Demi Moore when she lost the Oscar. GI Jane? More like GI Loser.

[Brandy]

Why didn't Heather and Emily get jacked, by the way? I think that they would have worried what they really would have done because I feel like Emily probably has a gun in her purse. And Heather would have just started throwing Alfredo's at them, opened the trunk and just Alfredo's would have come out with like ninja stars and started like pelting the guy.

[Ronnie]

Those crab hands would have gone to work.

[Gina]

She would have been like, if you.

[Heather]

Ever tried to carjack me or my friends again, it will cost you a lot.

[Ronnie]

I'm not carjacking Heather.

[Brandy]

So at the self defense, okay, so now we're back at the studio and.

[Emily]

Emily's like, shannon's next if you guys want to watch.

[Tamara]

It's gonna be great.

[Brandy]

So Shannon, they do the same thing. And Shannon's like, where are we? And Jen goes, I think that man is digging in the trash can. And Shannon's like, why?

[Gretchen]

Why?

[Ronnie]

Shows how. How little exposure they have to unhoused people because, like, you know, when you, like, that's what you see and you don't even need to point it out. You know, it's not like, oh my God, look, there's someone digging in the trash. Can you believe it?

[Brandy]

Shannon is literally more horrified that the person is digging through the trash than she is at getting carjacked.

[Ronnie]

I know that they're just like really sheltered. So then he's like, that's a nice ride, homie. You guys got any change?

[Gina]

Oh, well, no, I, I don't. I. I have been working on myself. So in many ways, I do have change. I. I am change. And it's been a long process, but I. I'm proud of the work I've done and thank you.

[Tamara]

I'm fine being single. Thank you. Thank you for asking.

[Gina]

Yes, I. I have had a rough. A rough go of it. And, you know, I guess. I guess I have some change, which is that I Used to be married, and then he wound up walking on.

[Gretchen]

The beach with a slot.

[Gina]

And now I don't have a husband anymore. So, yes, I do have change in my life.

[Tamara]

I'll tell you how much I've changed. Would you like to have dinner as friends? You do not have to be intimate with me.

[Gretchen]

I have a lot of male friends. A lot of male friends.

[Gina]

I know I do have change in that I now am aware of the patterns of hurricanes and if they may be going very far inland and perhaps imperiling a lover's house. So, yes, I guess that's change.

[Brandy]

I'm sorry, Earl. My name's not Earl, lady.

[Tamara]

Well, I'm practicing. It's called change. Do you want me to change or not?

[Gina]

I do have some vegetables.

[Gretchen]

Do you eat vegetables?

[Ronnie]

I do.

[Gina]

Well, see, there we go.

[Gretchen]

And improve. Finally, a real man around here.

[Tamara]

I will marry you. I will marry you.

[Brandy]

So he's like, what, you got a fucking car like this? You don't have any money for me? What, are you shitting me? You don't give me your fucking phones. Give me your phones.

[Tamara]

Give me that shit.

[Brandy]

Give me your fucking phone, lady.

[Tamara]

And she, what the hell are you doing? How dare you, sir?

[Gretchen]

How dare you propose some sort of socialist agenda right now?

[Brandy]

Are you prepared?

[Gretchen]

I don't have to share it with you.

[Brandy]

I thought Obama got them phones.

[Ronnie]

So the guy's like, are you prepared to die over that phone?

[Heather]

Are you prepared to die today?

[Gina]

Well, I. I actually believe I'm gonna die every day. It's very scary out there. I. I have a little bit of a cough, and I'm concerned that this may be the last day I breathe. Actually, fool me once.

[Tamara]

Well, I will either be killed by you in this car or killed by the filters that apparently haven't been changed in this.

[Gina]

Well, apparently Dr. Moon says I have some psychological debris in my anus at the moment. So I think I have a good three hours left on this earth. So I am prepared to die. Actually, I've been going through it all day, and I've settled my things, and yes, I am.

[Brandy]

I've died three times just on the way over here.

[Tamara]

You can't scare me.

[Brandy]

You cannot scare me. So she actually stays really calm. And he's like, are you prepared to die over that phone?

[Tamara]

And she goes, oh, this is part of it. This part of the show. This is part of the show.

[Gina]

He's an actor. He's an actor. You're doing a great job. You're doing great job. Question, are you.

[Ronnie]

Are You.

[Gina]

Are you able to actually help me get this debris out of my asshole? I. I really wasn't joking about that part.

[Brandy]

So Jen's like, wow. Now all of a sudden, Shannon is calm, cool and collected. So what we need to do to calm her down is carjack her. Like, what do we need to do with her? Check. Well, I was functioning frozen.

[Tamara]

Is that. I thought, can I kick his face? No, because they'll probably drag me out of the car. I can't kick his face. Here's what I'll do. I'll be extremely polite to him. And it worked. It worked.

[Ronnie]

So now everyone comes inside and it's like, everyone, that's scary. Carjacker. That's Josh. He's one of our instructors.

[Gina]

Like, oh, very good work. You were very good. Very good. I really appreciate you.

[Ronnie]

So then he does a spiel about training self defense and how important it is. And so one group is gonna go do self defense class. The other group is gonna go to a shooting range. That way you all can learn the skills to save yourselves. But more importantly, you can gossip about the other group behind their backs. Okay, enjoy.

[Tamara]

Yeah, we're ready for some self defense, guys.

[Brandy]

What are those?

[Tamara]

Plastic men?

[Brandy]

And so they teach them some fighting stuff. And Gina is like, you know, I've.

[Tamara]

Never taken self defense class before, but like, I know, you know, because I know I'm going to die.

[Brandy]

Like, what are you going to do?

[Tamara]

Like, if a man comes at you, just say, wait, so let me try my move. No, you're fucking dead.

[Brandy]

Well, great attitude, Gina.

[Gina]

Let me try my move. Okay.

[Brandy]

Yeah, yeah. So they, they do some fighting and stuff. And then let's see. Heather's like, I really don't see myself being a hand to hand combat kind of a girl. You. I just wear Alfredo jackets. You know, I just. Anywhere that looks dangerous, I'm just shielded by Alfredo's.

[Heather]

Well, one thing I always do is I carry a small little bowl in my vest. That way, if I make it to where I need to go safely, I can have someone send it along to Nobu. But if I get attacked, I can hit them with the bowl. It's very helpful.

[Gretchen]

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[Brandy]

So then we see the firing range room and they're gonna shoot. They're not getting real guns. They're getting projectile guns. Okay, so Jen's like, well, I was raised in Oklahoma, but I never shot a gun. You know, I.

[Tamara]

It's like being out in the wild.

[Brandy]

West shooting guns and riding horses. Well, it wasn't. I'm. I'm good with the water gun, though. My aims, it's great. Water gun locked and loaded. Thank you. Thank you so much for laughing at that. Thank you, guys.

[Gina]

Thank you so much. Thank you.

[Jen]

Sam was like, my shooting sucks. I can't see anything. I need readers.

[Ronnie]

So now, and Tamara goes up there and she shoots like, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. She's a very good shooter. And she's like, I don't know why.

[Gina]

Any of the women would be surprised. I'm a good shot.

[Gretchen]

I'm a sniper with my words. So target shooting. It's a breeze.

[Ronnie]

So they're all, yeah, camera's actually really good.

[Brandy]

It's hilarious. I was laughing out loud at this part because everyone else is like, I'm a girl.

[Gretchen]

I don't know how to hold a gun.

[Tamara]

I can't see anything.

[Brandy]

And Shannon gets up there and she's.

[Tamara]

Like.

[Brandy]

They'Re all dead by the end. It's like all of them are lying down dead.

[Ronnie]

She just, it's like she just has to envision like several different mannequins wearing non leopard print.

[Gretchen]

She's like, what? Disgusting. Kill it, kill it, kill it, kill it.

[Tamara]

She's like, gretchen, Alexis, Lizzy, his name demolished.

[Gretchen]

She goes, little guy from the Traders who I said had asthma, kill him.

[Brandy]

So now it's, it's talking time. And the instructor's like, okay, as is totally normal on gun ranges, we're just gonna all leave you here with loaded weapons to fight it out. Okay, see you later.

[Ronnie]

See you later. Okay, so where, where are we? Where are we? And we split up. But where is Ben in his notes? That's a great question.

[Brandy]

In the gym. So Shannon's like, wow, thank you for.

[Tamara]

Scaring the out of me today, Gretchen. She's like, sorry, you know what, I forgot to ask Wes, like, what would we do if we were getting carjacked?

[Brandy]

Jenny goes, well, if I had cash.

[Tamara]

I would have given him money. I mean, what are you gonna do?

[Gina]

And I would listen, if I had cash, I'd just be, I would just call him, hey, Mr. John Jansen, here's some money.

[Gretchen]

Because this is what I do.

[Gina]

I just give men money.

[Gretchen]

Okay?

[Gina]

And then I'd get sued by him.

[Gretchen]

Later on for $75,000.

[Tamara]

Gina's like, would you like my debit card? Because like, you can do it yourself, you know, like, I'll give you my pen. It's like looking at a phone, have his letters on it. Just spell out, I feel bad. Well, it's funny now, but it was not funny then. It was not funny then. Although I do have a new subscriber.

[Brandy]

To the Real Real.

[Gina]

It was, it was not funny. But I, I, we are going to be going on a date afterwards. Yes, Cigar is like, how was your guys trip? And it was fun.

[Ronnie]

And Heather was like, oh.

[Heather]

So remember I said to you on the phone, by 1am you'll be in the hot tub with Tamara going, I love you. Remember I said that? And then I said, I wonder what Demi Moore is doing. Maybe she's cradling her Oscar to bed. And then I said, just kidding. She'd lost it. Remember I said that part too? Were people listening to me?

[Tamara]

No.

[Brandy]

Sounds like.

[Tamara]

Well, that is not how it happened. Okay.

[Brandy]

And then in the firing room where.

[Emily]

The other girls are, Emily's like, oh, I was immaculate. Okay, I'm glad you had fun. So we had some bumps, because guess what? I heard about you.

[Brandy]

And then we go back to the other girls, and Gina's like, yeah, like, she was sharing.

[Tamara]

You know, Shannon was sharing things about her childhood and her parents and, like.

[Brandy]

Her grandpa's avocado mountain.

[Gina]

It's really good.

[Tamara]

Yeah. I said, my parents had a tumultuous relationship. And then Tamara tuned in to say, oh, well, we know your dad's an alcoholic, you loser drunk. Well, that's not exactly how she said it. Oh, well, okay.

[Brandy]

What.

[Tamara]

What did she say? Didn't your dad have a problem with drinking or something? Oh, well, same thing. Wow.

[Gina]

That much different.

[Gretchen]

Thanks a lot.

[Gina]

Well, I mean, that's on Fiata tmra that Shannon's holding on to this. If anything, Tamara was, like, trying to support her, because when you look at TMRA judge, you think, oh, my God, like, what a supportive person. And I definitely think that, like, Shannon is, like, creating a mole out of a.

[Ronnie]

Out of a.

[Gina]

Out of the mountain. She took a mountain, and she shaped the mountain into a mole, and then she put the mole on a hill, and it's like a mountain hill out of a mole. You know, I think she's doing that, right, Gina?

[Brandy]

You can't even do the old molehill stick. It's so sad. It's just so sad.

[Tamara]

She's like, yeah, like, she can't even do the mountain out of a molehill. Like, I'm worried for all. I'm worried for Shannon. I'm. What?

[Gina]

I'm for looking avocados on a molehill once.

[Brandy]

So back in the other room, Emily.

[Emily]

Is like, whoa, you know what? I think that with her, you're just not allowed to have an opinion. Okay? You're not in that position.

[Tamara]

She goes, yeah, Gina said that. Gina said that too.

[Emily]

You know, she's just gonna be pissed no matter what. Okay, we just need to hang one of those signs up that says, blank days since incident. And at this point, I would just say zero.

[Jen]

We could also say blank days and someone pulled a turkey out of their pocket. And look, turkey sandwich. Zero.

[Brandy]

Well, did you guys have fun on your trip. And Heather's like, we went to the Abbey. It's a homosexual place. Very cool. Among the youths. The youths.

[Heather]

Lots of homosexuals. We listened to Chappelle Rowan, and she was lovely and hilarious. I am such a Stanley.

[Ronnie]

And they're like, oh, wow, that's fun.

[Jen]

Gretcher's got loose lips when she drinks.

[Gretchen]

A lot of fireball.

[Tamara]

That's supposed to be loose lips. What's that supposed to be me? Why. Why you bringing up my high school nickname?

[Emily]

No, I mean, she talks a lot. She started telling us that you recorded a song.

[Tamara]

Oh, I. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I was in the recording studio, but it was in the house, you know, like a house. And we were hanging out. We were in the house, we were drinking. And it was right after I separated from Simon and then just started dating Eddie.

[Brandy]

I was like, oh, that's interesting how she's, like, making sure the timeline is that she was between relationships. So I wonder if this was true, because it was.

[Tamara]

She was like, oh, yeah, I remember that. I was separated and baby just met Eddie one time on a thing. That was 15 years ago. So what? What about it?

[Brandy]

And Jen's like, you have a pop song, Tamara. Oh, my God. I need a pop song, too. I need a pop song.

[Gretchen]

Yeah, we were just joking around.

[Brandy]

I'm gonna write a pop song called thank you so much.

[Tamara]

Thank you.

[Gina]

I'm gonna have a pop song called Collateral Damage.

[Ronnie]

It'll just be my daughter crying.

[Gretchen]

Yeah, we were just messing around. Yeah. Just singing songs. You know, I don't know how. I don't know who would have gotten it. But, like, I don't know. Maybe it was someone who was 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon away or maybe 98 degrees away. Who knows? But that would. I don't know how they would have got it. I don't even have it.

[Brandy]

So she says that she was confronted by somebody from a boy band that lived in her neighborhood.

[Ronnie]

Confronted by. Next on 48 Hours, confronted by a boy band member starring Tamara Judge.

[Tamara]

And I thought, I'll give him all. Well, it wasn't good at all. So I'm like, nope, I'm not embarrassing myself. Maybe you should just do it alone. I'm used to embarrassing myself with my speaking voice.

[Jen]

Oh, my God. Well, then she says that, like, Slade has a copy. He has a copy.

[Gretchen]

Well, of course she does.

[Brandy]

Yes.

[Jen]

And then he proceeded to say that you had an affair and an affair with both brothers of Nelson, while B.B. mack was.

[Gretchen]

What? What? I can't believe that.

[Tamara]

What the what? The.

[Brandy]

In the other room.

[Emily]

Emily's like, yeah, apparently.

[Brandy]

Oh, no, sorry. Still the same room.

[Emily]

Recording studio. You recorded a song, but then you and him had sex and it ended up being on this recording. And Slade has a copy of the record recording.

[Tamara]

She's, oh, bring it. I'd love to hear it. I'd love to hear it.

[Ronnie]

I wish. I feel like the more normal response would be like, that doesn't even make sense. It's like the strangest rumor. Like, they had. I mean, the la. Well, actually, it's not that strange because it did happen to Jax Taylor, but that's also Jax Taylor.

[Gina]

So Tamara's like, well, you gotta give it credit. He decided to try to make me look bad.

[Gretchen]

She's just so obsessed with my life and what I have and what she doesn't have that she just wants to tear me down.

[Ronnie]

So Jen's like, well, I have gotten.

[Gina]

To know Gretchen, and last thing she.

[Ronnie]

Ever wants to do is talk about Tamra.

[Gina]

She's always like, please, I don't want to talk about Tamra. And then she talks about Tamara. So I don't know if Emily's being.

[Ronnie]

A girl's girl or stirring the pot a little bit.

[Emily]

Well, my understanding from Slade is that, first of all, he was more than happy to share information about Tamral. And you know the way that Gretchen kept saying, we get stuff about Tamara all the time. It's unsolicited, we don't ask for it, but people send us stuff about Tamara all the time.

[Brandy]

And Jen's like, yeah, yeah. She tells me that she does. She says they don't have anything to do with it. It just comes to them. So I don't know. Who do I believe?

[Jen]

Here's the. Here's the thing. Oh, wait, let me rephrase that. Here's the turkey sandwich just came out of my pocket. I think it's really hypocritical for her to have been for the past month or two to be on your case. Tamara all the time talking about how Tamara's a horrible person. She brings up all the stuff that you brought up. Gretchen have an affair or whatever, and that whole thing. And she had to go to court and she had to defend it. She had to do all those things.

[Gretchen]

Remember, remember, remember.

[Ronnie]

Flashback to all that.

[Gina]

And then Tamara's like, yeah.

[Gretchen]

And then there's pictures of her on the Internet making out with him.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So basically they're saying, like, it's ridiculous that Gretchen's coming for Tamara about all this stuff, but Gretchen's doing the exact same thing.

[Brandy]

Right. So then we see the Bass Lake staff from the 2009 reunion.

[Tamara]

Was. Was he at best lake with you? Well, he came for a date with a whole group of friends. Oh, he was a Bass lake, too. Imagine that just happened to be a Bass lake. Well, he knows it. Well, you know, Jeff knows him as a family friend. Oh, now he's a family friend? I thought he was a stalker. Which is it?

[Jen]

My point is Heather and I aren't even asking her about Tamara. Then she tells us all about this unsolicited stuff, and they get in and they hold on to what that has to do with Tamara. And in my mind, I'm thinking you're no different than what you've accused her of being. The student has become the master. The turkey has become the sandwich. The salad has become the tuna.

[Emily]

I wish I had a DeLorean.

[Brandy]

Me too. To the week they cast your ass. Please, Deborian.

[Ronnie]

That's what she drives.

[Brandy]

Seriously? So I thought this was interesting. Tamara's like, yeah, they were in a relationship, things went down, she got caught, and now she's worried about her image. So then she started saying bad things about him, which caused him to sue her, and then she sued him. So it was a clusterfuck of suing because they used to be fucking.

[Tamara]

Is that my fault? Is that my fault? So she's like, I don't have anything to add. Silent here. But it proves my point and the reason why I've never wanted to be around her for the past 12 years.

[Brandy]

So, Gretchen. So now they go into. They come into the room, right?

[Ronnie]

So then I thought Tamara did her shooting. I guess she's doing more shooting now.

[Brandy]

No, Gretchen. Gretchen and her ladies walk into the firing room, and then I think the other ones go to the other room. Like, they switch rooms, Right. To get the other lessons. So wait, is that right?

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Brandy]

I don't know.

[Ronnie]

They're just shooting more guns. And now Gretchen's saying how she gets nervous when she shoots guns, and they're just shooting guns. Okay, so Tamara basically gets the award for being the best gun shooter. And they give her an award, and.

[Gretchen]

She'S like, oh, my God, I got.

[Ronnie]

A butt plug and she got a Kubotan, not a butt plug. And now it's time for them to sit down and enjoy some fireball. You know what I love? I love free booze at a firing range. I feel like that always works out really well.

[Brandy]

Well, I don't think there anyone's drinking it except Gretchen. Right? Doesn't she just pull it out of her purse and start drinking it? Or did I not?

[Ronnie]

Well, she just says we have. She just says that they have champagne and fireball at the table.

[Brandy]

Oh, okay. Okay. I thought I was like, damn, Gretchen pulling some fireball out of her purse. Like, she got addicted pretty quick.

[Jen]

Don't get grouchers. Don't get your ponytail in the food.

[Brandy]

So, yeah, she's drinking fireball.

[Emily]

And Emily's like, crutchers, are you drinking fireball?

[Tamara]

Yeah, I heard fireball makes you talk a lot of question. She goes, yeah, it does.

[Brandy]

Unfortunately, Gretchen knows what's coming.

[Tamara]

You know, she's like, so, what's your problem, badge?

[Gretchen]

I don't have a problem.

[Ronnie]

So Tamara then gets up. She's basically, like, reenacting her scene with Alexis Bellino at the Cut Fist, the Cut Fitness preview.

[Gretchen]

She's like, well, clearly you have a problem, because I heard what went down.

[Ronnie]

And Gretchen. See, Gretchen should have said, oh, yeah, it was you on that boy band member. But she didn't do that.

[Gina]

Instead, she's like, you know, it's annoying.

[Gretchen]

To me that Emily immediately went running the camera and, oh, Gretchen was doing this. And Gretchen was doing that. Like, come on, you're just as much a part of it than I was.

[Brandy]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ronnie]

Liar.

[Brandy]

No, you compulsive liar. So she's like, so what'd you hear? And Tamara's like, oh, I know.

[Tamara]

That's your manipulation.

[Brandy]

And she goes, well, what did they tell you? And so Emily's like, oh, I'll just say it.

[Emily]

So when we were in la, oh.

[Tamara]

It started out silly.

[Brandy]

It was like, we're talking about the Pussycat Dolls. We're talking about her single.

[Tamara]

And then I said, tamara tried to sing a song. Wait a minute. You tried to sing us along?

[Brandy]

Oh, my God.

[Tamara]

Oh, my God.

[Gina]

Like, this is, like, very fascinating to me. And I'm like, locked the in.

[Ronnie]

Heather's like, yes.

[Heather]

We were having a girls night. Having fun. We were having. What is it called? The Circle thing. Pizza. And we were just having girls, girls time. And then we're like, let's hear this song. Could it possibly sound as good as me in the Groundlings musical? And it was silly. It was like, oh, she tried to do a song. No one was taking it seriously. It wasn't like she was on Malibu country or Hot in Cleveland or getting advice from Betty White or having a better career than Wendy Malik. He was just fun.

[Tamara]

Oh, yeah. And then it turned into, I'm fucking Nelson and I was having an affair. And you, you hear moaning the background. Now that. Come on, get to the store hither. Jesus Christ. And Gretchen's like, that's not what I said. Slade said that part. Slade said that? Yeah. And if Slade said something stupid, that's on him. Oh, yeah, of course they said something stupid. This is the you've been doing to me for 12 years. And I've had it.

[Gretchen]

I had it.

[Ronnie]

She. Tamara sees it. Sees an it. Like she, she can see that. She can. She can make herself like the epic victim here. And so she's just going to literally run with it because she like runs out and Tam is like, she has.

[Gretchen]

To be ready and spiel dad does it.

[Ronnie]

Which by the way, Gretchen saying like, I can't control it if Slade says something that's on him. It's like, yeah, but he didn't even have to be part of the conversation in the first place.

[Brandy]

He literally called him to do it. You called him to do it. You know what you two are doing? We're not stupid. Well, we're not as stupid as you. So Heather's like, hello, you brought up the song in the first place. Gretchen.

[Emily]

And Emily's like, I'm so tired of Gretchen putting herself on a pedestal. I mean, she's so self righteous. And everybody else is wrong, by the way.

[Brandy]

We still want to hear the song.

[Jen]

Someone's like, I don't think it's a fair statement because we were out and we're having fun and it first came up as like a song, which is.

[Gretchen]

Like, it was silly. It was silly. Well, you guys were saying like, why was she singing a song? And I said, because she was like working with Nelson on some song, you know, that's all it was.

[Brandy]

Wow, Gretchen. Not Gretchen. Lying again, huh? Not. I can't believe Gretchen's lying. This is crazy.

[Emily]

So Emily's like, you said more than that.

[Brandy]

And so we see the clip of Emily saying, when did Tamara go to a studio? And Gretchen saying, when she Nathan. When she Nelson, was she married?

[Tamara]

Oh, that would be bad. That would be bad.

[Gina]

You know, so Tamara's like, death. Jen's like, you know, through the years you've been saying just as much as she says Gretchen.

[Gretchen]

Yeah, but I'm always responding to things that you said. And I said to you girls at night, like, I'm so mad at myself for even saying something. And like I get sent stuff all the time. And then you just said like, all these people reach out to you. And I. And I kept my mouth Shut forever. And I up the other night, I just up.

[Ronnie]

And Tamara's like, oh, yeah, you really kept your mouth shut, didn't you? Yeah, sure.

[Tamara]

Yeah, I did. About all the. I know about you. Yeah, I did. I kept my mouth shut.

[Brandy]

And so Heather just puts bread in her mouth. I mean, you know, Heather's stress and if she's eating a carb on tv.

[Tamara]

Yeah, on tv.

[Brandy]

And Tamara's like, what do you know about me?

[Tamara]

Oh, yeah, I know a lot. You trust me? Oh, yeah. What do you know about me? You want me to talk? Go ahead and talk because it's gonna be ugly for you.

[Ronnie]

So then the producer is like, well, what else do you know about her that she doesn't want? None.

[Gretchen]

Next question.

[Ronnie]

So then Tim was like, here's the thing.

[Gretchen]

That's the thing. She's the one that tries to destroy us people's lives. Like the time when I caught what we went on the reunion and I said, she's been cheating on Jeff. God, the way she tried to destroy my life when I said that to her.

[Brandy]

And Gretchen's like, yeah, okay, let's go.

[Tamara]

With I ruined people's lives. You thought you're the one that's been sued for your lies about trampoline parks and the person that you tried to get in a lie about with about me. I suit and I once. You can right off on that. Oh, the guy you were. The guy you were. See, there you go. There's pictures of you making out, cameras with Fine. With fine. Grade up your vaginas all over the Internet. Remember that?

[Gretchen]

Yeah. Well, remember, you remember the one that I took to court and proved everything.

[Tamara]

Oh, fuck off.

[Ronnie]

So these two. I mean, having this argument is just so hilarious. They're so ridiculous.

[Brandy]

They are right in her face and gives her both middle fingers. And she's like.

[Tamara]

Why did you have to talk about it, Nolly? Why Gina? You're right. I should not have opened my mouth. Yeah, she was like. She wasn't that talking about you.

[Brandy]

I mean, she was talking about how Shannon's father.

[Tamara]

Alcoholic, alcoholic. Again, if I whisper it.

[Gretchen]

It'S not funny anymore. It's not.

[Gina]

It's just. It's just so juvenile.

[Brandy]

And Tamara runs out and she, you know, running and screaming and having a fit.

[Tamara]

And she's like, I'm done. I'm done with this. I'm so done with it.

[Brandy]

Now, look, here's my thing about these rumors with Tamara. I believe them because of how Tamara's been acting. But also, we know that when Tamara is wrong and she's caught. She runs the hell away. She does it every single time. We've got multiple instances of her doing this. So I think you're guilty. But then, that said, it's also a zillion years ago. And I don't care if you fuck the boy band guy. I say if you've got a boy band neighbor who wants to fuck you, it's your duty as an American to fuck the boy band guy. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I think so. I think you got to take that shot.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

You need to do it for the story. And I think if someone's like, but you were in the early. But wait, she was already in the early stages of cheating on Simon with Eddie. I say just like. You know, just say, hey, it was a wild time. It was a.

[Gina]

It was a different time in my life.

[Ronnie]

Sorry, guys.

[Brandy]

Yeah, exactly. I'm not talking about from 15 years ago. Just do that. Just say that. All right, everybody. Well, this was a fun time. Thank you for being with us for this very special two part. We will be back Monday with some Real Housewives of Miami and a surprise on Patreon next week. Or maybe on the main feed. I don't know. Wherever. We're gonna do something fun and special next week. But if you do want our Great British Bake off cast roast, go check that out on Patreon. It's also where you find these videos, which we do every day. Okay, we will talk to you guys next time. Have a good one.

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[Brandy]

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