A (2:06)

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Happens Every Morning. So good to see you. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hi Ben.

B (2:15)

Hi. How are you?

A (2:18)

Wonderful. Happy Monday my little friend.

B (2:21)

Thank you. I have to issue a formal apology to the listeners. It's one of those moments. Formal apology because it came to my attention from my wonderful co host Rondel Ronnie Caram that for who knows how long. The audio from my computer like the any like alerts like oh you got a text message or I'm sending a text message out or whatever, all these little bits and bops and beeps has been getting channeled directly into the podcast audio of the recordings and so I'm really sorry that you've been listening to this podcast and you're hearing like, I'm so sorry. I had no idea.

A (3:04)

I thought it was just a Shannon impersonation because I was like, no, no, no.

B (3:10)

It's like this. On the heels of my microphone acting crazy last week, I just feel like I am failing at the audio game and so I really. No, for real. I. I'm really sorry. That must have been very distracting for people. And I. I just didn't know.

A (3:24)

I had no idea. You know what? Everyone checked their phones a few times during that last.

B (3:28)

I had no idea. Did I know?

A (3:29)

No.

B (3:30)

Did I know? No. So sorry, everyone.

A (3:32)

Welcome to the show, everybody. It's the Real Housewives of Mijami finale season finale, everybody. It's going to be a super fun one. Okay, Monday we have Amazon live at 4pm Pacific Time. You can find details on our bio link in bio over at Instagram, so head over there for that. Also, we're on video as we are every. You can watch videos fresh on our Patreon. And that's also where you get our bonus episodes. We just did a great British bake Off or baking show cast roast. That was super fun. And next week we're going to do something different and fun too. So you never know what you're going to get. So join us over at Patreon and thanks to everybody who joins us over there. We love doing our Patreon stuff.

B (4:20)

Okay.

A (4:20)

And now here we are with Real Housewives of Miami. What'd you think, Ben?

B (4:26)

Oh, well, you know, it's Miami. Always good.

A (4:30)

Always good.

B (4:31)

Always hilarious. So good. Yes. I'm sad it's done. I'm sad it's done.

A (4:36)

I don't know.

B (4:37)

You know what? I thought the whole episode was Ratchet, Ratchet.

A (4:40)

Eat those ratchets.

B (4:41)

Ratchet. Ratchet.

A (4:42)

Eat those ratchets.

B (4:43)

Ratchet, Ratchet.

A (4:47)

So here we are. Season 7, Episode 17 Frosty Friendships. Ooh, we open at Mary's. Also, I'm having a Christmas party. All right. But it's Miami, so it's hot. So we're gonna have a pajama Christmas party. I'm gonna have a claw machine. But in the claw machine you can get jewelry, deals, meals. The best Christmas party anybody's ever been to.

B (5:12)

I love parties. I love the holidays. I just want to bring a little bit of Christmas to Miami. It doesn't feel Christmasy cuz it's so hot outside. Am I right? Oh, God, I'm wacky.

A (5:25)

Look at my Santa Bra. She's like, oh, my God, is Santa there? There's the Santa if I've ever seen one. Look at Santa. Look. Look at Santa. So Santa's waving at Alexia on the phone. She's talking on the front door. And Mary Soul's like, yeah, there's no big agenda behind this. It's just a fun Christmas party. I mean, maybe there's no agenda. Yeah, I think people are like, she's having a Christmas party. What's the agenda?

B (5:54)

And Alexia is like, well, I just want to be there and, like, have fun with you, you know, girl. But I can't, you know, because, you know, like, oh, I. You know, like, I'm having fun in front of Frankie, you know, I have to undo all the damage that Todd did in front of Frankie, you know. So Marisol explains. Well, the one time that BRO And I don't communicate, which is, you know, we usually talk daily. And she has a Christmas event at her salon. I'm like, this was probably producers trying a last ditch effort to draw a wedding, like, divide, put a wedge in between you two. They're trying, I think, all the time to get these two to turn on each other. Like, what if they have dueling parties and now people have to make a choice? Then they'll get mad at each other. It's just.

A (6:29)

I don't believe that they didn't know that each other was having a party. This is crazy. I think Mary. I think Alexia was like, no, I'm gonna have my happy hour. So, you know what? You do what you want. We'll see who shows up where. But we don't really get a fight out of it, which is kind of a fail. There were multiple things, actually that were coming to a head that should have been a fight. And people are just getting too mature to fight about it. So they're like, let's not have a fight. And they're like, okay, look at us not fighting. Because things on Bravo have gotten to the point where you've got Real Housewives of New Jersey being so toxic and fighting so much that they get put on pause and half fired, you know, for all we know. And you know, Andy's doing this thing now at the end of reunions where he's like, are you going to make up? Like, so you forgive each other. Where do you see this relationship going? And if they don't see it going anywhere, they're fired. Pretty much is how we've seen it pan out for the past couple of years. And so now on this show, I Think they're paranoid, so they're. They're just trying to make up. But you guys, you have to have the fights and then make up. You can't just make up before the fight, right?

B (7:33)

So Alexia is like, well, you know, I was thinking, like, I can have you. By the way, remember in the flashback, I invited everyone over to my party? No. Okay. So, like, this was the only day I could do the happy hour. So it's just, like, really bad luck, because the other days I was. Let's see, Wednesday was avoid Marisol. Thursday was avoid Marisol. Friday was avoid Marisol. So, like, really, that's the only day I could do it. But then she decided to do something my one day where I wasn't avoiding her. So that's too bad. I love.

A (7:58)

She's. It's a business. Like, the only day we could do it was that one day, this only day. But the salon. It's like, the only day the salon's not booked at night.

B (8:07)

Like, okay.

A (8:08)

So she's like, well, some will come to mind. Some will go to hers. And it's what it is. She's still my best. I'll send you. I'll send you some gunny mags, honey. She's like, okay, don't do it in front of Frankie, though. It could hurt him. So then we go to Alexi and Frankie's Beauty Bar, and they're cheersing. They're, like, sitting back in one of those, like, massage chair things, cheersing each other. And it's like, cheers to us because, you know, where we're at right now? Alexi and Frankie's Beauty Bar. It's crazy. I can't believe we're here, Frankie.

B (8:36)

You know, I'm not gonna lie. I've abandoned Alexi and Frankie's Beauty Bar for the last year because of all, you know, kinds of problems I've had in my life, dude. You know? And so, like, now I'm, like, ready to take control again because, you know, like, my mental state is better. I'm like, wow, I love to hear that. I love to hear that, like, a guy can. Can, like, play mind games with you, and then, like, your entire company has to suffer because of it. Like, get rid of Todd. Like, this guy's bad for. Even for your business.

A (8:59)

I'm not gonna get rid of Todd, so give it up. Maybe you could support me a little bit. Okay. Like, we're gonna have some drinks, and then we're gonna do manicures and pedicures and have some bites, and you can Only do it on one night a week. So, truthfully, when Frankie and I. Because, like, you know, like, look, Frankie and I have a magnet to bring in people and bring in money. You know, like, the days of Frankie and I are Alicia and Frankie's Beauty Bar. We have really good days. It's so good here. Some of these days are so, so, so good. Right, Frankie? And he's like, party, party. I like that. And then we go over to Marisol's, and she's wearing a green furry hat. And guess who was there. The woman who designed my fabulous new rugby Miss Jill Zarin herself. Can you believe I got a Jill Zarin rug?

B (9:45)

You got a Jill's. Your rug is a Jill Zarin rug.

A (9:47)

Yes, I got a new rug, and it is a Jill Zarin rug that I got from, I think, Ruggable. And let me tell you, it's a nice rug. I have a Jill.

B (9:56)

Did you know it was a Jill Zarin rug? You got it. I did.

A (9:59)

I did. And I want to show. I want to tell people I'm only sharing that with you because that's personal growth for me, to be able to.

B (10:05)

Buy a Jill Zara rug supporting other women. Okay. Yeah. Look at you.

A (10:09)

That's right. And I. Every day, I walk into that room and I say.

B (10:22)

So Jill's like, oh, I love your hat. I love your hat. I have a question. When you walk on your Diet Coke, do you hear a voice in your house? I go, that's. I was gonna say, when you walk on your rug, do you hear a voice that says, I can show you how to make a real Diet Coke. I can show you how to make a real Diet Coke. Would have been funnier if I hadn't just.

A (10:39)

You gotta have a glass and you gotta have ice. That's how you do it.

B (10:42)

That's how you do it. That's how you do it.

A (10:44)

So, yeah, she's like, your hat looks like a Christmas tree. And then Stephanie comes, and she's like, oh, my God, if you weren't wearing the hat, how am I supposed to find you without the hat?

B (11:00)

So then they're putting on PJs and Marisol's like, oh, my God, we got a smorgasbord. A cornucopia of goodies all over the property. Look at all this. And so Larsa comes in, and she's like, I like, hi. Like, happy Holidays. Like, like, Happy Holidays and this and that. Next Y. Z. Like, and they're all, like, sampling. They're all these, like, tables that are set up and they can get free and try on jewelry and all that fun stuff.

A (11:26)

Yeah, they've got the jewelry claw. Oh, my God. You got a machine that gives us diamonds. And Lars is like, I always win. Look, you guys. Like, I always win. Like. Like, I won. I won, like, diamond earrings.

B (11:39)

Like, all I do is win. Like, all I do is win. Like. So she says, I don't know. I guess I'm just a. I'm, like, a good gold digger. Like. Like, like. So then they're, like, opening up their. Their stuff, and Marisol's like, oh, my God, I lost my cocky. Guess what? Cockies are back. You all thought I gave up cockies for the season. Bring it back for the finale. Oldie but goodie.

A (12:02)

Am I right?

B (12:03)

Where's Dick?

A (12:04)

My friend was staying with me and Jessica when I was watching this, and she goes, what the fuck is a cocky? She's got this big, booming, deep voice. And she goes, did that lady just say she's. She lost a. And I said, no, she said, cocky, like cocktails. She goes, that's stupid. Yes.

B (12:25)

I love watching with someone else who has fresh eyes before.

A (12:28)

She's like, what is wrong with their faces?

B (12:32)

Someone who hasn't been beaten down and had all this stuff normalized. So Gertie goes over to, like, one of these tables where a lady is like, making little. Like, little jewelry chains or whatever, and you're just like, okay, what do we have? Okay, ladies, talk to me. Talk to me. Okay. Okay. I don't want any charms. Okay, like, get rid of the charms. This has to be smaller. Okay, take out the crown. Take out the crown. I don't want this either. Take these two off. Come on. There's a lot of free stuff. And time is money. Time is money. Let's get this going. Lars. Even large is, like, really? Like, that's not how you talk to people. Like, gertie, you can't do that. Gertie. She's like, listen, there's a lot of kiosks, a lot of free things. Things need to go quickly. I cannot be wasting time with extra crowns on my bracelet here.

A (13:06)

Hurry up, hurry up. I gotta get as much as I can. Okay, so we have things to do. We have things to do. It's like, nobody acts like that. Who behaves like that? Oh, you know when you have free things and you're like, oh, my God, I want to take as much as I can. That's what I'm doing. I'm doing it. She's like, well, just make sure. You at least like, whatever you're getting. Like, she goes, okay, what? You know what? We're gonna do a countdown, okay? And then we're gonna run and we.

B (13:32)

Get, like, speed dating, but it's shopping. Marisa. Marisol. Like, I want to take a good photo with you. Like, she's like, oh, yeah, Pips. We're gonna take a picture with Santa. Come on. They all take a picture, and it's, like, funny. And everything in Marisol's like, wow, look, I got some expensive friends here. And she's wretched. This one over here is wretched, not ratchet. You hear the word? There's a difference in the words.

A (13:58)

Just making a really light joke about a racial situation. I'm gonna inflame in about 10 minutes. What a Christmas party. I love it. Hey, Santa. Love your poll. Love your pole Santa. He's like, please get off me.

B (14:12)

Please. I don't get paid for this. Oh, look, everyone, that's Adriana. Okay. Hello. Okay, pop star. Okay, look, I'm obsessed with your top. I'm obsessed with it. And. And Adriana's like, oh, yes, yes, I'm here. So they all walk over, and they get. They're, like, getting Adrian and PJs, because they're all putting on these PJs, and there's all these, like, patterns, and it's a lot of, like, clothing racks going on. It's actually a pretty good party. There's, like, a lot of free for a. For a Christmas party, I have to say.

A (14:40)

Yeah. Marisol has done this before, right? Where she has these parties where she just loads people. I mean, this is the way to go, for sure.

B (14:47)

Yeah.

A (14:48)

Marisol is actually very good at throwing events, and she usually gets the best brands to give her stuff so she can re gift it to us. But it's okay. You know what? Buy me today. I'm here for it. I'll give you peace in exchange.

B (15:01)

That comes back to haunt her.

A (15:03)

Yeah.

B (15:03)

Really?

A (15:05)

So Stephanie goes up to Santa, and she's like, dear Santa, last year I asked for friends, and this year I got them. Oh, that's, like, so sad.

B (15:15)

It's so sad. Especially that all these people can't stand her. Clearly. Yeah.

A (15:21)

We go over to Stephanie, then we.

B (15:23)

Go over to Alexia and Frankie's booty bar. And so Julia shows up there, and she's like, I admire Alexia for continuing our business. We as women need to always rely on ourselves, because only we can pour water on other people's heads. No one can do it for us.

A (15:38)

Which is why I only marry hundreds of millionaires. Hundred billionaires.

B (15:45)

Yeah, exactly.

A (15:47)

So Kiki shows up, and she's got her daughter Summer with her, and she's like, I mean, who knows what's gonna happen with Todd? It's important for her to have plan B. And that's for every woman. You can't throw all your eggs in one basket because these men are gonna turn on you. You know who doesn't turn on you?

B (16:03)

Vibrators. Vibrators. So Julian's telling Alexia it's a beautiful event, and Alexia is saying how she's like, I'm really happy. I'm really happy. You know, this is what a star looks like when she's happy. It's my face look. Yeah, yeah.

A (16:16)

You know why? Because I love to connect with my customers. I love it. I love talking to people. Watch this. Hi. Look at it. I'm like a natural. I'm like a star. Welcome. Amazing. Amazing.

B (16:29)

I love. I love to connect with my customers, which is why I ignored this place for a year.

A (16:37)

So they're making small talk and stuff. Summer, it's getting her nails done, and Julie's like, oh, this reminds me. In a few days, Martina and I are making an event with Florida Grand Opera and the agency that we adopted our boys from. Foster. We are all going to unite. Opera and foster children, finally.

B (16:58)

The two things that people want to do on any given night spend spend time learning about foster children and Oprah. At the same time.

A (17:08)

I would love to unite causes because classical music, its. Prison has such healing powers, and I'm feeling how helpful it was to my little boys who have been through so much trauma and what an impact Beethoven has made on their behavior. Like, what are you. What are you talking about?

B (17:26)

Maybe you should play some Beethoven for your daughters.

A (17:29)

Opera has totally changed their. Their kids. Maybe some of your daughters.

B (17:38)

They hate you. People are upset at me. People are upset at me about my. I don't really. Well, I mean, I really don't. Honestly, I really don't give a. About the daughters and. And the relationship. Because I. I don't know. Like, last week. Well, because last week I was like, you know, those kids, they should just like. I don't know. I think my mindset's kind of like, oh, get over it, kids already. But people are like, you don't understand what it's like to have toxic parents. This is biggie for privilege. I'm like, that's probably fair. That's probably fair. And I accept that. I also don't think it's that deep. It just is like, it's just like Julia's kids. Like, who really gives a fuck? They're just gonna be spoiled brats in Europe. Okay? Everyone. Whether, whether, whether they should, whether they should erase Julia or not.

A (18:20)

Brats in Europe.

B (18:21)

Whether, like, honestly, you know.

A (18:24)

No, I. That whole Julia's kids thing, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what I've said. I've probably changed my mind a million times, but I, I don't know. None of us really know what's going on, right? So it's kind of easy to just make jokes like we have no idea what's going on. Here's what we do know. Julia didn't even know where her kid went to school. Julia is a fake, manipulative person. She's a bad friend and she's kind of a self involved dick. So, I mean, I'm. This whole time I've been like team kids, you know, like I'm on their side, but it doesn't really bother me when. Yeah, I say like those kids either because part of me is like, I mean, you're so rich.

B (19:02)

You're just. They're all. The other thing is they're spoiled brats too. You have to admit. Like, they can all be terrible people. I mean, this is like watching. It's like succession, you know, it's like you don't really. You're not really rooting for anyone, are you?

A (19:12)

But, I mean, I can't imagine happening. But I would be. I can imagine my parents just adopted kids and didn't tell me.

B (19:19)

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I, I mean.

A (19:23)

You would, you would if you're.

B (19:25)

I would be. Because I, I feel like it would be my responsibility.

A (19:28)

And we've named him Ben. We've actually named him Ben. We've got a second chance at Ben.

B (19:32)

You know, your mother. I think I would just be mad that because I know the responsibility would fall on me and that'd be so annoying.

A (19:38)

Yeah, me too.

B (19:39)

I can't imagine living with Martina is easy.

A (19:42)

Yeah, like when you're older, like you're adopting a kid with Martina and then who's gonna end up taking care of this child? Me. That's what I, that's what I would feel. That was my initial thought too. It's like you're going to leave all this shit to me and I'm not adopting these kids, but you're kind of making it my responsibility.

B (19:58)

And now I have to love These kids like my brothers. I'm like, I don't even know who these kids are. And, like. Like, you never. You know, it's kind of like when you go over and someone makes you hold the baby. I'm like, why don't. Why do I have to hold the baby? Like, I don't. Why? Why? And it's kind of like, that's so. I totally get that from the daughters, but I also feel like the daughters have just, like. Just like, live some. They're just, like, traipsing around Europe at all times, so I'm always like, okay. Like, they, like, live, like, this really wonderful life, and then they're gonna be like, we're mad. I'm like, I don't really want to.

A (20:28)

Hear from you either, so you may have a croissant.

B (20:33)

I know.

A (20:34)

Traveler.

B (20:34)

Oh, you know what? I. I'm. I'm so sorry that you hate your mom. I'm. You know, maybe what you should do is go hang out with your, like, rich, Elton John adjacent, like, step parent, like, godparents down in the south of Spain instead. You know, I'm like. I'm like, I don't know. I think they're all living a very charmed life right now, and they probably all piss each other off, so I guess I don't really have a very strong stance on either of them. I understand why I. I pissed off people because people have very fraught relationships with their parents, and they know it's just like, it's. It's very, like, it's just not as simple as being like, oh, get over yourself, kids. The parents trying to do things for you. I understand that, but I also think, like, it's not worth getting so upset about it.

A (21:13)

Well, we're also different in that way. I mean, we were. We were raised in very different environments. Like, I was raised in a more yelly, toxic. I don't want to, like, diss my. Like, I'm in a very good place with my family, but we had some rough times for sure. And so I tend to take the side of the kids more where. I think you take the sides of the parents more because you were raised with such close parent, like, I don't know, to me, your life. I'm also a good little Jewish boy, you know? Like, it seems, like, so perfect the way you talk about. I don't mean it in a mean way. It's a good thing, you know? But, like, I think maybe once you haven't gone through that stuff, you can't imagine that it could be like that between parents 100 and kids 100.

B (21:55)

I. I come from privilege in that sense. I'm also like a good little Jewish boy where it's like, who would ever do that to their mother?

A (22:03)

Oh, and I'm terrible. Like, I'm, I was a terrible. That's the mother I'm gonna. With my mom as much as hellion. And I think my mom was the same way with me. You know, we just battled like forever. And until really I was 40. Until I was, when I was 40, I was like, okay, I'm 40. Like, I cannot go home and fight with my mom. Like, I can't do this anymore. This is crazy. And I think we both made a truce and we were like, you know what? We're never gonna agree. So let's just still love each other and just disagree silently and passive aggressively. And that's how we do it now. We just give each other withering looks and then sigh and everybody knows what we mean and we move on.

B (22:44)

You know, you graduated into being a wasp. Congratulations. You did it. The American dream has come true inside of you. The idea is to work hard and get to the tier where you treat life like a wasp. And you just don't talk about things and just say things passively.

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A (25:47)

So, okay, so anyway, Julia is going to have this opera thing and she's saying, you know, classical music has such healing powers. Julia, classical music doesn't have healing power. Strong enough to fix my ears after listening to you sing. And that's just the end. It needs to be stronger.

B (26:03)

Okay, yeah, like Beverly Sills may have healing powers. Julia. Destroying powers like that is. That's not healing. Okay, Beverly opera.

A (26:16)

You're Beverly.

B (26:17)

Beverly Shrinnels. Renee Flem in my ears ing like, no.

A (26:28)

Shut up, Errati.

B (26:30)

Shut up, Jesse. Ab. Norman.

A (26:38)

We'Re done.

B (26:39)

We're done.

A (26:40)

So we cut to Marisol's party, and Gertie is talking to Adriana about Julia, and she's like, oh, and what about you and Julia? Because you know what? I have to commend you. I have to commend you. You have been stellar, a stellar friend to that woman. You have been a perfect friend. Four out of four stars. You gotta fight that friendship. You girdified it. And the gallery thing that you just had for art Basil. And you told her, my best friend, like, what are you doing? Like, what are you. Why are you after Kiki? And she said nothing. She was just like that. Just like that. I. What? Why is she so numb around you? But then she's got so much energy for everybody else.

B (27:20)

And I'm not saying that you should fight her on my behalf because I'm still really upset about that whole Captain Sandy thing, but if you would like to yell at her, I'm not going to stop you. So there. I have now gotten you ready for the finale. Yeah. Gertie being so transparent, setting up a proxy battle.

A (27:34)

I know. I like it when she does it, though. Somehow I like it. She's just so obvious about it, and she doesn't even care. She's like, I'm doing the scene in less than five minutes because there's a lot of jewelry to get in this bag. Okay. Fight with Julia. You got it. Okay, I'm out of here.

B (27:51)

Yeah, it's weird. The whole Adriana Julia thing is kind of an interesting one because I think we've all seen Julia being a total dick this season and kind of, like, abandoning Adriana and, like, fully just, like, becoming friends with Alexia, like, the cool girls. Like, we've seen it. It's been a total fall from grace from, like, someone that, like. Like, was one of the best. Like, the. One of the ones, like, I loved the most. At the same time, when. When Julia later says, like, you don't understand how terrible Adriana's been, and I put up with it. I don't. I. I don't disbelieve it. I believe that's. Yeah, I believe that Adriana. Because we've also seen Adriana bite the hand that feeds her a million times.

A (28:32)

Yeah.

B (28:33)

So there is part of me that says, like, yeah, she really did drop Adriana, like, a bad habit. But, like, I don't know if it's a black and white situation. And I. I sort of. I don't know. I'm. I'm slightly empathetic. Slightly empathetic to Julia.

A (28:48)

Yeah. Well, you definitely see where she's coming from, that's for sure. You know, even though she is being the. And if all that stuff was happening, then she should have brought that up instead of just blowing her off, you know? But then I think that the past couple of episodes, it's really hard to stand up for Adriana, too. So it's like, we've come to this. It's just the end of Miami. They're both wrong.

B (29:09)

They're both wrong.

A (29:10)

And I think that Julia decide on this. I choose side neither at this point.

B (29:14)

I think Julia was looking for a way to break with Adriana. I think she's, like, a little scared to do it. I think she's a little weak. And I think she wanted to make new friends so she would have reasonable excuses not to hang out with Adriana, but also maybe to have some people in her corner when the inevitable confrontation happens.

A (29:29)

Well, I think the thing that is the most offensive thing is she's not only.

B (29:34)

I agree.

A (29:35)

Yeah. She's not only. She's not only befriending the other girls and ignoring Adriana, you know, she's befriending Adriana's greatest enemies who still hate Adriana's guts. And it's like.

B (29:48)

And then acting like Adriana's crazy about, like. Like, what are you talking about? Everything's the same.

A (29:52)

And that's where I think it goes wrong, because she's. She. It's like those are her mortal enemies, and you know that they've done nothing but talk shit about Adriana to Julia. Julia. And Julia just sits there and listens to it because those girls are not going to stop themselves from talking about Adriana. They're just not. So that's what makes it worse. You know, it's not like if Adriana's abusive and this and that. I can see that. I can see how that could be true. And I wouldn't blame you for getting out of that relationship, but getting out of that and then going to her worst enemies is just low.

B (30:20)

Well, I think that. I think it's actually a really fascinating and complex situation because I think this happens in friend groups a lot. And I would not be surprised if Julia is, like, unhappy with Adriana because Adriana is crazy. We saw what she did to Leah Black, where Leah, like, did all these things for her, and then immediately Adriana turned on Leah. And I think that Julia, like, already was unhappy and she's in a new group, and she sort of feels like she wants to kind of, like, throw herself into this group. And please, by the way, don't. Please don't, like, confuse this with me being, like, team Julia. I still think Julia was an asshole for all the reasons you exactly just said. But I think that what happens is that, like, she sort of falls for one of the big con jobs that people do, which is like, oh, we really like you, but it's Just that, you know, when you're around Adriana, you're just. It's just she's so terrible. We don't get to know you. Whatever. And so now you're in a situation where you're with someone you don't. Don't really want to be with anymore. And now people are saying that they want to be your friend, but you feel like you can't because you have some weird loyalty to this person who's awful to you, and then you say to yourself, why am I being loyal to this person? They're awful to me. And these people are actually trying to be nice to me and try to be friends with me. So you become friends with them, but you actually don't realize in the process of doing that, you're actually being an extremely shitty friend to the person that you're claiming that you're friends with. And really, what you should have done in the first place is confront her and said, I don't like the way you're treating me as a friend, and if you keep treating me like a friend, then our friendship is going to go nowhere, and I'm going to explore other friendships in this group. Easier said, that done, of course.

A (31:39)

And it's interesting that you bring up Leah Black, because that's exactly. It's like karma, right? Because she. Leah Black, brought Adriana onto the show. We all know that she got Adriana onto the show, was trying to make her a little extra money because she was a single mom, this, this, and that. So she gets her on the show. Then Adriana dumps her to be with more popular people. She wants to be with the cool girls, so she dumps Leah to go to those girls, Marisol and Alexia, and she dumped. It's like the same thing playing out all over again. And now they don't like Adriana anymore. And so Julia, who's the one that was brought onto the show by Adriana, is now dumping her to fall for the trick again and go for these popular girls again. And it's going to end the same exact way for Julia as it ended for Adriana. And it's just. It's interesting seeing the karma come back so blatantly. You know, it's like the exact same situation.

B (32:33)

I think if Julia had not had that issue with Gertie at the beginning of the season, if Julia had not started a feud over a zoom call, or if Julia had, like, this whole backstory, and especially if Julia had not poured the water on Gertie, I. I actually think that we, as an audience may be more empathetic to Julia's path with the other girls this season, but instead, what we see is someone who is, like, revealed kind of an inner cruelty and, like, an inner self, like, selfishness. And so, like, it's hard to. Yeah, it's hard to. It's hard to have real, full empathy for her situation because we also saw another side of her that makes us question, like, how much of this is driven by. By some sort of, like, aspirational, status driven motivation versus someone just trying to create friendships outside of their awful friends.

A (33:34)

I mean, it looks. I think there's so much evidence pointing to the. The former because. Yeah, you know, the Gertie thing, like, coming for Gertie, like, that. Gertie's like, this was so long ago, and she did not say anything until now, until the cameras are here. And it coincided with Alexia being like, oh, you know what, Ger? You're just so loud. Like, you're just too much. You're just, like, too loud and you're too much. And. And Mary Soul being like, oh, we can't take it. You're just so much.

B (33:59)

So it felt like it was like an initiation. Yeah, it was like an initiation that she had to go through.

A (34:04)

We don't like her loyalty. Yeah. And you don't like her now, too. So we're gonna get her right at the start of the season. I mean, that throwing water at her came out of nowhere. It was ridiculous. And it's just like her trying to prove herself to those girls. So, yeah, you know, she sucks. It's like Marisol and Alexia also suck, and they've always sucked, but they're so obvious about. I don't know, maybe I'm used to it. Like, they're entertaining in a different way that I almost don't hold it against them. I mean, I do. Like, I call them out on it, obviously. But it bothers me more with Julia because she's just being a follower. It's like, if you're gonna be a villain, be originally a villain. Like, these two. Don't be a follower villain. Nobody wants, like, a follower villain, villain. It's just original.

B (34:46)

I think we would. What we would be respect more would be, like, a natural gravitation to some people that have. Like, she sees that there could be a potential friendship, she naturally gravitates towards them. Adriana can't deal with it. Like, that's like, we would empathize with Julia, but instead what we see is someone actually falling over themselves to try to endear themselves to other people at the expense of someone else. And that's just kind of. That's. That's just.

A (35:10)

That's gross. Yeah, it's gross. So, Adriana, oh, my God, Julia is so into herself and what's good for her, and she's just discarded me the way I felt. She's like a covert enemy. And it's slender.

B (35:25)

Slender. Lisa walks in with Logan and Ellie to the. The. Alexia's party, and she's like, oh, God, Logan, let me see your hands. Oh, God, you need a manicure. He's like, no, I don't. He's like, yeah, you do. It's called the manicure because, you know, Manny cure. Because you're a man. Manny. Manny. Mother, I always told you I don't like your wood play. Please just give me a toy gun.

A (35:53)

So Peter and Johnny are talking, and Peter's just like, I'm good. You know, Peter's so out of it. Like, I don't even know. Peter is just, like, walking coma.

B (36:06)

This guy.

A (36:07)

He's just, like, a doy.

B (36:09)

I don't even know. He is the personification of doy. Like, that is Peter.

A (36:16)

And Johnny's like, yeah, because last time I saw your mom, she was sure going through those emotions. Cut to.

B (36:22)

Oh, my God.

A (36:23)

Protect me from the.

B (36:26)

Kill all the nurses. Everyone should die. Kill all the nurses if they should die. Him.

A (36:32)

Him.

B (36:33)

Him.

A (36:36)

So Peter's like, I feel like she's better. I mean, I don't know stuff. Like, I feel like she doesn't want to tell me stuff, but, like, I find out the day before. It comes out on, like, page six. It's like, oh, by the way, it's the day before something's gonna happen, but then it happens.

B (36:55)

Alexia is like, oh, well, no. Sorry. I wanted to protect you. I was trying to. I was trying for it to go away because I wanted to protect you. He's like. Like, I could care less. Why are you. He's. He's 32 or 35 or whatever. I don't know what age he is. He doesn't need to be protected anymore, Alexia. Like, this guy. He's not protecting. He's not protecting you from all his. So you don't. It let him go out in the world and deal with headlines that. Honestly, I think that actually Peter is. I don't think that Peter cares at all about Alexia and Todd. He's like, I really. I don't care, Mom. Although I guess he does on some level if he's.

A (37:27)

Well, yeah, he doesn't Want her to be with Todd because he hates Todd, you know? But that's why she's not telling him too, because it'll give him ammo against someone he's been rooting for her to break up with, right? So she's like, oh, my God. But it's been a roller coaster. But I should still tell you about it, you know? Like, who goes on a roller coaster? Like, if there. If I was on a roller coaster, but there was no one there to hear me, would I be on a roller coaster?

B (37:48)

If a tree falls on a roller coaster and there's no roller coaster going at the time, did she ever fall on the roller coaster? I don't think so. If a star goes on a roller coaster and no one's there to take pictures of the star, is the roller coaster still the best roller coaster because it has a star on it? Yes, I think so.

A (38:04)

The last two months, when things have been good, you know, like, we're learning to communicate better, you know, and, like, we love each other better. But I'm not gonna lie. Like, I have ptsd, you know, like, being left like that. It's like I have post traumatic start disorder, you know? And, like, being like that, like, I. Will he do this to me again? And Peter's like, that's everyone's worry. Because if you go back to Todd, it's not fair for Frankie, because I don't want. I don't want Frankie living with someone who would move a couch in front of him. Oh, my God. I know.

B (38:32)

You know, and I respect it.

A (38:34)

I respect it because he moved the couch in front of Frankie. Like, I can't forget that. I can't forget it.

B (38:41)

Producer asks, like, hey, has Todd apologized to you for the way that he left? Or, I'm sorry Todd apologized to you, but has Todd apologized to the boys? No, no, no. I'm. I'm surprised Todd did not.

A (38:55)

She does that little tiny head shake where it's just, like, barely imperceptibly moving, but really fast. She's like, no.

B (39:02)

I'm surprised Todd did not, like, show up on camera today to say, to whom it may concern, no one loves those boys the way I love those boys. They are like sons to me. Sons that I hate, but in a way that I love. They are people that I care for, and even though I have not apologized to them, I plan to do it here for two as soon as possible. The only reason why I didn't is because Peter is too stoned, and Frankie, he's still upset that I Moved the couch in front of him. But I plan to send them Godiva chocolates, and then we will all be solved. I love those boys, and I hate anyone who would say anything else. Even though they drive me nuts, I still love them. I love him, and I'll punch him in the face if I have to.

A (39:48)

You know what? I feel like it hurt us a lot, you know, like, as a fan family. But, like, you know what has to happen. Like, we need to have a conversation, and we need to have a conversation about you guys having a conversation, because, like, only through conversation can you learn to have conversation about having a conversation. You know what I mean? He's like. It's like drills, drools just coming down his face. So then we go back to Marisol's, and people are getting facials and drinking, and they're all complimenting Marisol and thanking her for a great party. You know, Gertie's got, like, a suitcase full of stuff. She's like, oh, my God, you have outdone yourself. Do you have somebody to help me carry this to my car? Can I take the car? Can I take the car?

B (40:26)

Is this house mine now? Do. Are you giving away the house? So Adriana puts her arm around Marisol. It's like, oh, this is like the old times. Remember, Remember? Like, the old times. Like, thank you. And, like, remember when I had my art gallery? That was nice. You know, I like. You know, the problem is Kiki. She's been, like, saying those things about my age, and it was hurtful for her to make a joke out of my age in such a mean and spirited way. Like, okay, let's drawing this one out a little bit, Adriana.

A (40:56)

Yeah, like, even on your birthday, like, they would. Like, on your birthday. On my birthday. You're correct. That was on my birthday. So then we go back to Alexi and Frankie's, and Julie is talking to Kiki about the same thing, and she's like, wait a minute. I saw that you left the party. I actually ran looking for you. She's like, wait, you came downstairs? Well, clearly, I didn't see you, because I was on the Amazon truck, and I took off. That was an Amazon truck last week. You said that? And I was like, are you sure that wasn't production? But we see the clip of it, and it is, in fact, an Amazon.

B (41:28)

But I didn't think that she actually got into it, but, like, she literally hopped into an Amazon truck. Like, truly the luckiest driver in the world. A supermodel just piles into your Truck and was like, just take me anywhere. I mean, I. I would. You even. No one would believe you.

A (41:42)

It's just the best, pretty privilege. You know, it's being so gorgeous that the Amazon driver's like, fuck, yes, get in my car. I don't even care what happens to me over there. Get in my car.

B (41:52)

I love.

A (41:53)

This is the best day ever. You know, like, we're talking a couple weeks ago about why Adriana so depressed. And I was saying, you know, it is really depressing, I think, especially for women and especially for beautiful women. Women, because you've. You're used to being treated a certain way your whole life, and then it starts to disappear, and you're like, but I'm not different on the inside. Like, what the. What is happening? And, you know, you're just so used to that pretty privilege, and it. It really is a thing. I mean, and this is an example of it. Someone just being like, I want to get out of here. Amazon guy. Will you take me? And he's like, yes, yes, I will.

B (42:29)

It's like just. He just got right to the second part of the Billy Ocean song. It's like, get into my car. He didn't even have to dream it.

A (42:38)

Get out of my dreams and drop that package right over there, please. I don't want to get out of the car. We've really got a far way to go.

B (42:45)

Get out of Art Basel and into my car. Beep, beep. Oh, yeah. It took her 13. She is a Caribbean queen.

A (42:53)

They had to make so many stops.

B (42:56)

Well, when the going gets tough, the tough gets going. Another ocean. Yep, that's a good song.

A (43:03)

Still a good song.

B (43:04)

From the Jewel of the Nile, I believe. Isn't it from the Jewel? Denial is the music video. Daniel DeVito and Michael Douglas like dancing to it.

A (43:09)

Oh, my God. Yeah, you did.

B (43:21)

Did you hear when I said that Kiki is a Caribbean queen? I just really want to make sure all three puns landed. She is technically a Caribbean queen. There you go.

A (43:30)

You landed them all. Every single one of them.

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A (45:44)

So Adriana's like, oh, do you remember we had so much fun back in the day before for Marisol's knees were so wrinkled. And they're like, yeah, those were great times. So then back at the other party. Oh, yeah. So we did the Kiki thing. So now we're with Julie and Kiki again. So Julie is like, I couldn't understand why you left. And she. Because she mentioned that I called her racist, which I never did. I never said she was racist. And so we see a clip of that, and she's like, I don't think the people in this group are racist. So when she called me Ratchet, it's not like I went back and said, yeah, you're racist for calling me that. I never said that. That. She's like, well, it's a conversation to be had between you and her. She goes, I know, but Adriana's, you know, sometimes a little.

B (46:28)

You know, old lady. You know, people over 60 don't can hear things. You know, she's very 32. 32 times 32 minus 5, you know?

A (46:38)

Yeah. She's like, I'm just gonna try and stay away from her. That's. That's her plan, which is probably not gonna work. So then we go back to Marisols, and Stephanie's like, okay, since my holiday party is your concert, Adriana. Then the Kiki drink reveal, then really it's just the three of us coming together for this event. I mean, how's this all going to work? Are you guys going to be okay together? Are you? Because I know how you are, too, and I know you don't drop things. She's reactive.

B (47:05)

She is.

A (47:06)

She's reactive. Everybody knows it. Just admit it. It's the truth.

B (47:11)

No, that night, it's all good vibes. Good vibes. I don't want to bring negativity to that event unless it's people in my band. Otherwise, I'm not yelling at them. Okay?

A (47:21)

Yeah.

B (47:22)

Right.

A (47:23)

So then now we go to the night of Julia's opera and foster care event, which.

B (47:30)

Can'T Annie with the opera. So with the mixing of this, like.

A (47:35)

Obviously, it's good to do something for foster children. This is not it. Of course you have to make this about everybody being forced to stand around and listen to your terrible fucking voice in order to support. Support foster children. Oh, my God, just stop it. I don't even have kids, and I wanted to leave them after this.

B (47:55)

So Julia is. There's a woman named Jeanette who is B.C. maria, who's the general director of the Florida Grand Opera, also known as Fiji, and Connie, who's a social worker, and Jeanette, who's an adoption sports specialist. And Julia's like, I adopted my boys with wonderful Connie and Jeanette. And Maria's like, oh, well, it's. It's important that this is. It's that. That this is so good to have you here. I mean, we are so honored to co mingle Florida Grand Opera with advocates of children and families. We still don't really understand how this is going to work. Are the children going to be seeing opera? We just don't know. But. But thank you so much for arranging it. We meet Martina yet?

A (48:33)

Oh, tonight we are not asking for money. It's not like charity, because why would we do something that would actually help foster children? The purpose is to put together for future collaboration, foster care for children and floor the Grand Opera. So you're. She just wants tiny extras now. What are you doing? Are they going to be just.

B (48:55)

In the operas, you're just tiny extras. You just want to force people to listen to your opera and make them feel bad if they don't be like. But it is for the children. It is singing off key for children.

A (49:10)

All right? We brought the opera. We brought the foster kids to listen to your opera, and they have literally all just run away. So this is good now because we have no foster children now. Job well done. We did it. Nailed. Nailed, as they say.

B (49:25)

So Alexia, Marisol arrived. Marisa, like, oh, my God, our swan. Or singing swan. You know, I don't know if we've given. Have we given Julia a nickname yet? Is it Jay? How about we start calling you Swan? Swannie. Swanson. Swanson. Mary Swanson. Swanson. Swanson. Chicken. Stock. Stock. We're gonna call you Stock. Okay. Stock, you're here.

A (49:48)

I'm so happy you came. It means so much to me. So Martina comes in and she's like, hi. Hi, everybody. Me, Martina, international tennis star here. Glad to be here. Is there some paint I can throw a ball up against the real artist that's entered the room.

B (50:06)

And Kiki blows a kiss at Martina and she's like, I do have quite a crush on Martina. I don't know, but it's a je ne sais quoi. I don't really know what it is, but I don't know. I guess I've always had a thing for Tom Petty a little bit. Rest in peace. Martina's like, oh, she's always flirting with me.

A (50:21)

Oh, her and Chris Everett. Am I right, everyone?

B (50:25)

Nudge, nudge.

A (50:26)

And Julie is like, oh, thank you for coming to support me. I know you all have busy lives and Alexi is like, never too busy for you and your family or this. Cause, I mean, too busy for Mary's house party because, you know, happy hour. But, you know, for. This is good. I'll be here for this.

B (50:42)

Too busy for the customers in my salon. I gave them my once a year appearance, but now I'm here for weird opera for foster children.

A (50:49)

I was gonna ask you, so what happened with the rest of the girls? And Julie's like, oh, the girls that I did invite unfortunately couldn't make it. Adriana is actually speaking out. She's practicing with band. Practicing with band. So we go to see Adriana shaking it on stage and going, miami is on fire. On fire. Wait, that's hot. Hot.

B (51:11)

No, no, Miami is on fire. So, by the way, this is a good time to mention that last week, Peloton did a road to Bravocon ride where they played a lot of Bravo music on the Peloton ride. And then they Sort of had some Bravo trivia, which was, by the way, mortifying because they had three other instructors on the side, and they're like, you're the summer house expert. There was literally a guy there, Matty, Giacomo, whatever his name is. And the quiz was like, who said the following. How many sandwiches have you made me? And this guy's the summer house expert. And he's like, I don't know. Can someone help me out here? Like, sir, please get off my peloton right now. How do you not know the answer to that? And then expert lies somehow experts did not know about the sandwiches. And then it was like. Another thing was like, who said, you don't want to see me activated? He's like, oh. He was like. I was like. I was, like, shaking my peloton. But the point of the story is actually not about that. I just needed to get that off my chest. The point is that the music changed. They. They were moving into the music really quickly, and every song would be on for, like, 90 seconds, and it just crossfade into something else. But they put on Adriana song. They put on fire. Fire. And they kept it on, like, the whole time. So it was like. It was on so long that the instructor was like, all right, coming up next, we're gonna be starting a. We're gonna be starting a climb and. Oh, wow. This song is still going on, huh? Wow. Oh, we're still in fire. Still in fire. Okay. All right, everyone, now get out of your seats. We're gonna time now. Okay, the song is still happening. And I was dying. She was like, this song. I don't know what the song is. I'm pretending to like Bravo right now, but why are we playing this song for so long? That's funny. She literally yelled at the. She literally, like, said a snarky thing to, like, the producer. She was like, okay, all right. We're finally done with fire. I only cued the next song three times. Guys. Gentleman was not happy.

A (53:15)

Can we get a fade out here? Okay, let's get a little crossfade.

B (53:19)

Okay. Get some Melissa Gorka in here. And she also. She also, by the way, just last note about it. Jen Sherman, the peloton instructor, she was like, fun fact. I was sorority sisters with Heather Debrow. We were sorority sisters together at East Syracuse and.

A (53:33)

Or as we used to call her, the stuck up in the attic.

B (53:40)

Or as we used to call her, person who's just going to ride a bike the rest of her life on.

A (53:46)

A bike to nowhere. Question.

B (53:49)

Can you See Drake from your bike.

A (53:54)

That's funny. You played. You played Drake during your bike ride? I played Drake while I was outside, and he was singing at me from his balcony. So at Julia's event, Kiki's like, adriana is expecting us all to be there for her to soon to watch her perform. She. I don't know, she could do some magic, do something. And Julie is like, well, I hope one day Adriana and I will be in a real better place. We're trying. We've been trying for months. Oh, you know what? I don't think it's just my opinion, but I don't think she's trying, because if she would have been trying, she would have been here today, and she's not. You just miss. Okay, not only did you just miss your best friend's party to have your own party, but you also missed Julia's trip for her godchildren because you were a sassy little butthead that day and didn't want to go. So I don't need you here talking about support. And Julia falls for it. She's like, oh, yes, yes. True, true.

B (54:53)

I think Adrianna is allowed to save her hearing and not listen to you wail next to a piano.

A (55:00)

So what I said to my friend sitting here, I was like, I'll bet she didn't even invite her to this thing. I'll bet she didn't even invite her or she didn't know about it or something. And she planned this rehearsal not knowing. I'll bet she planned that rehearsal without knowing. Julia had an event also.

B (55:16)

She had a rehearsal. She's a like, she has a rehearsal. Okay, songs, tribute songs to your dog do not just perform themselves.

A (55:25)

They don't just write themselves. All right, this is Emilio Estepon we're talking about here. Let's have some respect for the craft.

B (55:34)

So Alexia is saying, like, I don't think Adrian is very happy about that. You know, I feel like Adriana is like the kind of friend that's like, oh, it's like me or it's none of them. You know, I think. I think that's. I think that's what I think. Have you seen any footage of you star, Alexia? I mean, really, it's. It's truly the same thing. So now Julia's like, oh, I am so nervous to see. I'm so nervous. And the guy's like, don't be nervous. You know, like, what helps but nervous breathing? Just breathe. Oh. Oh. I'm not going to lie. I'm hurt because I've been in every single performance for Adriana and I've made Adriana. I think it's. Adriana's made it very clear that tonight how important this is for me to sing opera to people who work at foster care. But we're not actually raising money for it. I can't.

A (56:20)

I can't with her.

B (56:22)

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