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Angie
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Angie
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Heather Gay
Only because I want to beat the traffic.
Angie
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Heather Gay
The next day I was going to.
Angie
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Angie
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Lisa Barlow
That happens.
Angie
Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode. So now we go to Angie arriving at Heather's house. Speaking of Heather Gay. And she goes upstairs to this room. There's this big room with all these nice windows and snowing outside. It's actually quite cozy. And Heather's like, hi, I'm turning this room into. Well, it was a storage room for all the girls. Stuff that was, you know, it was both a physical burden but also a metaphorical burden because it reminded me that I would be trapped in my bedroom. The only place where I could find a sanctuary was underneath the duvet. So I moved all of it out, just like my daughters. And I'm just gonna make it my own creative office because I haven't been able to experience creativity since that first baby's head popped out of my vagina so many years ago. But now it's flowing through my veins once again. And like, it's now my study annex. It's gonna have a desk, it's gonna have a bookcase. And this is where I'm gonna write. This is where I'm gonna do all the fun things.
Whitney
I.
Angie
Because I have daughters.
Heather Gay
I am Greek. I am Greek. I am Greek.
Lisa Barlow
Oh, wow.
Heather Gay
It's a Special doorbell chime for Angie. Angie, come in. I'm finally getting rid of my daughters.
Lisa Barlow
I'm gonna call this the bitches are gone room.
Heather Gay
Come in. Check it out.
Angie
You know, for the past eight years, I feel like I've operated from my bed and from bread, too. And a lot of people would call that clinical depression, but I call that effectiveness, as in, my daughters are so effective in making me want to just crawl up into my bed and stay there for the rest of my life.
Heather Gay
So she's got pink colors. They're all different versions of really bright white. There's, like one that's tinted pink and one that's tinted mint, but they're kind of fluorescent once they start putting them on the wall. But I mean, any of them. Yeah, I don't like it. They're too icy for living. You're already living in an icy place. You know, you need some warmth in there, right?
Angie
Well, I just kind of feel like. Like, if you're gonna go that light, just keep it white. But I like the, like, the sort of that light yellow sort of like kind of Easter colors. She's like, I'm trying to get away from the trauma of Mormonism, which is why I'm going to paint this room in the colors of Easter. It's like, no, just keep it white. Or go for, like, a dark contrast. But all the three colors that she put up there, pink, butter, and, like.
Heather Gay
Whatever the paragraph, green or something like green.
Angie
I didn't like any of them.
Heather Gay
I'm kind of fluorescenty. So she's like, it's supposed to be.
Lisa Barlow
An ice blue, ice pink, and then a butter yellow.
Heather Gay
And Angie is like, well, my house is stark white.
Lisa Barlow
Well, mine is, too.
Heather Gay
It's white everywhere in here. I just look like floating eyes walking through my house. And she's like, okay, well, Electra doesn't like how modern and clean our house is. She wants to live somewhere warmer. She loves patterns and non Greek people. Is she rebelling because of what she grew up in, or is she really. This is who she's really going to be? Did I raise a daughter who likes patterns?
Angie
I know. I love. That was the big.
Lisa Barlow
The worst thing.
Angie
She likes patterns. She gets excited every time we drive by a Chevron station.
Heather Gay
So the other day, she told her that she's working on getting her Greek citizenship. And Heather's like, oh, my God, you are. I love that. And so they hug and stuff. And Angie's like, well, I had to tell you, but when I shared it with Elektra, I Thought she would say, ooh, cool. But her reaction was not what I expected. Doo doo doo doo dee doot doodly doot. So we go to a memory of her telling her, telling Elektra that she's getting her citizenship. And Elektra's like, I don't care. You're really taking this Greek thing far, Mom. Fuck.
Angie
She's like, well, mom, that's your whole identity, but it's not mine. And I don't know why you're make. Make being Greek your whole identity. Did I not give her enough baklava? Did I not give her enough spanakopita as a child? Have I failed? Have I failed Zeus?
Heather Gay
She said. She said the most offensive thing that she could ever say to me. She said, mom, not every day is Lainey Kazan day. How dare you.
Angie
I'll tell you, Elektra is never going to be on House Hunters because they don't like people that say, I grew up in a modern house, and therefore, I don't want that. Like, everyone in House Hunter is just, like, reliving their childhood. Like, well, I really want to have an open concept house with stark white, because that's what I grew up with, and I just really love it.
Heather Gay
Yeah, Especially the men, though, on that show. The men are, like, really attached to their childhood homes. They're like, this is the first time my father really disapproved of me and the first memory I had of him being disappointed in me. The room had wood paneling, so I'd love a room with wood paneling.
Angie
It's like, bro, we had a leaky radiator growing up that almost gave us carbon monoxide poisoning five times. So if we could have that in the house, I would love that. It's just great. I love that thrill. That's what they all are, because they don't have any design sense, and they don't. They don't know anything about interior design or, like, what makes a house good. So all they can rely on is, like, their fond childhood memories, and then all these people have to, like, cater to it, and it's so stupid. But anyway, Angie is basically saying how, like, being a parent to a teen is like walking a tightrope. And, like, she doesn't want to be me by her side every minute. She doesn't need me by her side. She's becoming independent, and I'm like, hello, I am a recent gay icon in pop culture. How do you not want me by your side? I'm hilarious. Gays love me. What is wrong with you?
Heather Gay
I just want her to want to be my best friend and go everywhere with me. Cut to Heather.
Lisa Barlow
Thank God my daughters aren't by my side anymore.
Heather Gay
Wanting to be me, wanting to be my best friend. Fuck those bitches. So Heather's. Heather's like, wow, it really hurts. You have to put your ego on the back burner with girls. You know, that's what I tell them. Put your ego on the back burner.
Lisa Barlow
And put your backpack on your back.
Heather Gay
With all of your belongings into it.
Lisa Barlow
And get out of my house.
Angie
You know me, Heather gay, known for putting her ego on the back burner. Anyway, here is a copy of my latest book. Please take this with you as you go and give it to a stranger and tell them to give a good review on Yelp.
Lisa Barlow
So we've talked about Ice Pink.
Heather Gay
Let's talk about the party the other day, okay? At Amy the Socialites house.
Lisa Barlow
It was just so loud and I.
Heather Gay
Was just so afraid of getting caught in the fray of all of it. So I just hid. I just hid away.
Angie
More like you. You lit the match and then covered exactly while the explosion went off. You didn't.
Heather Gay
You threw the rock. You threw the rock and you ran and hide. You ran and hid your hands.
Angie
The Molotov cocktail. You are not a shrinking violet.
Whitney
Roses are red. Violets are shrinking.
Angie
Wait, so then we see a flashback of literally Heather running away from the conflict that she was part of brewing up. And then when you'd be like, wait.
Whitney
Heather, I can't do this without you. Roses are red. Violet. What are violets? What color are they? Violets are green. See, I need Heather.
Heather Gay
Yeah, you did disappear. And I'm like, where are you? I needed you. But Britney ran over to Lisa and sells me out to bring up my comment. And Heather's like, well, clearly we have a friend who's either in financial distress or living a lie or she's under attack because of these lawsuits. So what is it?
Angie
Part of me has compassion for her and then part of me is like, she's never going to change. She aggrandizes everything. Pete, I'm sorry, you're Angie K. Did you just say.
Whitney
Did you say that word?
Angie
I did. I learned it today in Greek vocabulary class. She brags about everything. She misses a girls trip to be with Ben Affleck. She's claiming she's going to Ben Affleck's premiere party, and yet she's posting photos like those AI photos of herself in a hotel room. And we see a photo of Lisa living, like, looking all Chic, with like an AI Hotel room in the background.
Heather Gay
And she's like, yeah, she said at lunch with me that she had a very different life than me, you know, and she's just total rich and fancy life outside of our circle. But we're all women. We're all women who deserve a chance. A chance to be fancy. A chance to be aggrandizing. Hey, wait a minute. I said that word.
Angie
No, I learned that word from Rihanna. That's my celebrity friend. Oh, okay. You know, it hurt my feelings. It says, our lives are not that different.
Lisa Barlow
Our.
Whitney
I said, our lives are not that different. And we're both sitting in the same restaurant.
Angie
We're both wearing the same thigh high boots. I mean, hello, if you are so famous, why would you be wearing the.
Whitney
Same thigh high boots as I am? Right?
Angie
Like, I thought we had a lot more in common. We both love boots that come up to the same part of our leg.
Heather Gay
Everyone's been reading a lot of comments that people are like, oh, God, look at Heather, you know, always kissing someone's ass. Now she's kissing ass trying to be friends with Lisa. I don't really see that. I see her as, like, manipulating and just being like, okay, well, let's turn everybody against Lisa. Because she's lighting this fire to make Lisa fight with everybody. I mean, the ladies were talking about it, but the way that Heather repeated it to Lisa was to start a huge war, which she did and then just sat back and kind of laughed. So I don't know if she's trying to, like, kiss Lisa's ass or if she's really just trying to be like, okay, fine, I'll be friends with Lisa. And now you guys can all see what a monster she is. And so she's just, you know, pushing. Not that Lisa needs much help, honestly. But, yeah, I'm confused about Heather's motives here. It's going to be interesting to see how she acts the rest of the season.
Angie
Well, I really value my friendship with Lisa, and I've worked hard to stay in a good place with Lisa. And part of. Part of that is me accepting her how she is. And I'm not trying to change or improve her behavior, but she's almost impossible to defend at this point.
Whitney
I mean, we're wearing the same thigh high boots.
Angie
I mean, I'm supposed to defend her.
Whitney
And this is how she acts.
Angie
Bragging about hanging out with Ben Affleck and, you know, Ceela Ward. It's hard. It's hard for me.
Heather Gay
Well, she throws her grenades and then she diminishes what you've done to confuse you and to distract you. And I just want the truth. I told her the other night, let us. Let me in. Let us be friends. Tell us about your losses. I love how Andrew reframes it. Like, I was just trying to be her friend. Tell me about your lawsuits. I really want to know.
Angie
Well, you know, I think Lisa thought you guys had a real friendship, and so that's why she feels like this is a real betrayal. Sort of like the betrayal I felt when I thought having daughters would be enriching, and instead it robbed me of all the joy in my life.
Heather Gay
I feel betrayed, too, though, by all of the nothing she has done to me this season. I'm very, very betrayed. So then we go to the Blue Sky Lodge, and it's skeet shooting time. And we get, like, a nice slow motion shot of Lisa from behind, aiming her gun, being all sexy. Skeet shoot. Shooting a skeet.
Angie
Yeah. And they're shooting, and it's like. And she's like, blue sky is like a refuge for me. So to go skeet shooting is something I do with my family. And, like, I don't really want everybody here. It's like a very private, emotional, cozy, important skeet shooting scene. And it's only a few people can be here. Like, some people are so willing to stab me in the backs, so I'm sure they would. I wouldn't have a problem shooting. Me either. So I only invited Emma, Marth, Mara, and Heather. This is the right group to. To. To let off some steam before I go blow things up at lunch. So, like, Mar. Since when is. Or Mary and Lisa close. So then everyone's shooting their. Their. Their. Their clay birds. Their clays. But Heather doesn't get it, which is sad.
Heather Gay
Yeah, that's the only one that doesn't get it, which was kind of shocking. Everybody else got it. Yeah. Have you ever done shooting? No. That looks so hard. Yeah. It's like a little tiny moving.in the sky. I don't. I don't think I'd be good.
Angie
Yeah. I remember playing it in Duck Hunt, and I was like, I can't do this.
Heather Gay
I was terrible at Duck Hunt. I'm still terrible at Duck Hunt. I think they have it. The Dave and Busters are one of those. I've played it recently, and I still suck.
Angie
I mean, I would hold my gun right up to screen. You're supposed to stand back. But I hold my gun right up to the screen. I'd be like, you know, and I still somehow wouldn't. Wouldn't get the ducks.
Heather Gay
Yeah.
Angie
My sad dog would come up and it would laugh at you. Steepest.
Heather Gay
So now it's time to go to the larger Blue sky for lunch. So Angie, Bronwyn, Brittany and Whitney. Brittany and Whitney, Bronwyn and Angie. They arrive, and Angie is like, I'm surprised she is even hosting a lunch and invited us. What more could she possibly have to say? There's got to be a reason that we are here. And surely there is. And it has to do with Kinko's poster board printing.
Angie
Yeah. They all go into a room and has giant posters of, like, various court documents. And they all say, dismissed across them. And Bronwyn's like, this is like the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And I've seen my own confessionals. This is dumb.
Heather Gay
She's cracking up. She's like, this is ridiculous. It is ridiculous. It's also very Karen Huger coded. You know, her tax meeting or her tax press conference conference or whatever she has, girls. So she's like, you know what?
Lisa Barlow
Hi, everybody. Welcome to lunch. I just want to point this out. Allegations are not facts. And for those that need to know that, deny, deny, deny, okay?
Heather Gay
And they're just cringing. Everybody's like, oh, my God. Ron was like, those posters are just so childish for so many reasons. And you know the main one, it's like the kind of posters I made at FedEx Studio, okay, when I was in middle school. Like, this is just. This is laughable to me. Hold on, hold on. I'll laugh.
Lisa Barlow
Laughable.
Angie
Mary's like, well, I'm confused. I'm going to stay confused, and I will leave confused. Which is funny, but also applies to so many scenes that Mary is in. It's not the first time she's had to say that sentence.
Heather Gay
It's just Mary's. Mary's role, you know? So she walks in, and Mary's the only one who walks right up to the posters and tries to read them, which I really liked. And so she's trying to read them, and she goes, wait, where's the. Where's the. Where's the clarity? Where's the clarity? Like, why is it blurred? It's hurting my eyes. It's too blurred. And she's right. Lisa has stuff up there, but some of it's, like, blurred out. And none of it really says anything, you know? So she's. She's saying she wants to have this transparent lunch, but she's not transparent about anything or Talks about what any of the cases were about and why they were bullshit. And she's just like, I can't have a transparent lunch.
Angie
You know, you can't have a transparent lunch and put up blurry images to say that right now. So Heather's like, wow, it's like a science fair, but no one actually did their project. I love that she has easels.
Whitney
P.S.
Angie
I hate science fairs. I'm like, okay, Heather, this is not your greatest work. This is. We're reaching the bottom of the barrel of your interview commentary here.
Whitney
So Whitney's like, I love the Photoshop work. It's fabulous.
Angie
Ron's like, yeah, the Photoshop is fantastic. This proves nothing, by the way.
Whitney
She took some cart document, and then she put a red stamp on it. Hey, it's important to make things red because Unity is my daughter. And there's a picture of John and Lisa, and it's like a houseboat or a yacht. I'm confused.
Heather Gay
So good. So she not only puts up poster boards, she puts pictures up to remind them that she's rich. She just has some random picture blown up of them standing on the edge of a boat. And Mary's like, why am I looking at them on a yacht? And Angie says, it's very far away, so you can't see that. That was, like, 30 years ago was the last time she was on a yacht.
Angie
And then there's a picture of them at a jazz game. And Brittany's like, oh, my God, that's a really cute picture of you guys. Just. Yeah, I know. That's me and John, front row at the jazz game. And then Robin just looks at it, and it's like, yeah, these are not actually courtside seats, because these. These are not the folding chairs by the court. But nice try. I was like, I love that she just clocked that right away. Like, this is not courtside.
Heather Gay
But Lisa's just so out of touch. I mean, to post jazz. You sitting in good jazz seats, when the whole plot two years ago was just for jazz. You giving you taking jizz for getting jazz tickets. And now the allegation is that you've been fucking some guy for his AMEX card, and it was the same guy who was getting you the jizz for jazz tickets. And now you're posting pictures bragging about the jazz tickets. It's like, come on, man, you need to fight for your own cause here. It's like you're providing evidence.
Angie
Yeah, seriously. So Lisa's like, hey, Meredith, as a liar, I thought you would have pressured Us. And then she's, like, showing up. There's a poster that just has, like, all these allegations that. That, like, she says, or, like, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny. We'd later find out. Well, actually, I'm sorry that the allegations all say, deny, deny, deny, deny. The allegations are denied, but she has written dismissed, which is different.
Lisa Barlow
And.
Angie
And Meredith says, well, in my expert legal opinion, I don't think these posters are what you would normally use as exhibits in a courtroom. However they get the point across. And I. I think there'd be great artwork for the back of my DJ set. So Lisa's like, well, this is Litigation by Lisa Barlo. People can sue you for anything. You could look at them the wrong way. They can sue you. Your coffee might be too hot when you go through a drive through. They could sue you. Sometimes they think that because you have too many Chanel bags that they should have those Chanel bags, too, so they can sue you for those, too, and you can allege everything. So, yeah, I figured I'm going to have a little lunch, and we're going to talk about the allegations versus the facts. Like, okay, okay. She's, like, very afraid of, like, a communist agenda. She's like, they want my bags because I've got bags. I will not give bags to the par. No, I earned that. Like, okay, let's relax a little bit.
Heather Gay
But also, please do talk about allegations versus facts. I mean, if that's what you're going to do. But, you know, this wasn't spilling coffee and a McDonald's, Lisa. So if you're going to talk about the cases, do it. Writing, denied, Denied. It's like, you're accused of this.
Lisa Barlow
I deny it. Boom. Innocent. Innocent. They wrote down denied. So innocent.
Heather Gay
So Heather's like, wow, I love the decor. What's the theme of this luncheon? Have I done the science fair thing yet?
Angie
Okay, today is all about May and about the things that people like to discuss about May. And like, on camp day, awful things were said about May. So I decided I would dedicate a lot where you guys can, like, get complete clarity on accusations and misinformations and lies. And by clarity, I mean you can start to say things, and they'll be like, no, no, no.
Heather Gay
But we've already read it. That's how we know about it.
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, we read it, Lisa. We read it. But obviously not very good, because you didn't spend the extra $25 to get dismissals. So you know what? If you spent $25, they would have said, dismiss all so, yeah, you know you're cheating. What, are you gonna sue me because you didn't have 25? Is that why you're saying that?
Whitney
What is it? Clarify?
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, clarifies. Dismissed. Dismissed. Dismissed. It all says dismissed. That's what it says. It's very clarified.
Whitney
Oh, dismissed because you.
Angie
Because you pay them back or dismiss because they were fake?
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, you know what? It's dismissed because it's none of your fucking bad snaz. That's why it was.
Angie
That's massive, Lisa. You can't have a party and be like, I'm here to clarify things. And someone says, okay, so here's a question. Well, it's none of your business. It's not how that works.
Heather Gay
She's doing so, so badly.
Angie
It's just so bad.
Heather Gay
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Heather Gay
So, okay, well, I will ask you some questions that could actually help you and shut it down. But, you know, look, things that look strange. People are reading that you had another man's credit card in your wallet.
Lisa Barlow
You know what? I'm happy to run around and explain things. For example, dismissed. Dismissed. You know, it's dismissed.
Angie
Number two, this man aggrandized you and your car off. You're like, number three, get this man paid for your remodel of your home.
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, but you know what? Denied. That's why the court case says denied. Denied, denied, denied.
Heather Gay
Deny.
Angie
$118,000.
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, but that's not true. None of that's true. It's all denied. You can read it. You know what? Pay $25 and you can read it in the court case.
Angie
And so can Photoshop just. Yeah, go ahead. Lisa can Photoshop dismissed on any document she wants, but for the one case that it's still. That's still open. Lisa and her lawyer are only denying these claims and cases actually not dismissed.
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, but you know what I can say for without a doubt, this is a fanciful tale. Read my response like there's something on the menu that's called the fanciful tale because it's like fanciful. It's like a tale and it's fanciful. And that's it. That's all you need to know. Das Master.
Angie
It's such a stretch. I love that. She's like, yeah, this is a fanciful tale. And I'm saying that phrase because there's a cocktail called the fanciful tale. So it's a tie into the menu. See, I'm a good party driver.
Heather Gay
So you don't have a credit card that he got in your name. And Amy's like, oh, hi, Amy the socialite over here. Hi, Angie. You know, they were in business together and they were business partners. So.
Whitney
Lisa, Lisa.
Angie
What?
Whitney
What was that part? Dismissed? Lisa.
Lisa Barlow
It's in the process. It's in the process. Which you would know if you had like an extra $6 to pay for the process parts. Yeah, get more money. No, but get more money so that you could know that it's like it's.
Angie
Being processed, but you wrote dismissed on it. So.
Lisa Barlow
Right.
Whitney
Process. Or is it being dismissed?
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, but you could only see the word dismissed because I paid the extra $9 to see the dismissed word. So, you know, basically, I'm rich and you're poor.
Angie
So your response is you're just denying them. That's your response, that you're denying them. Once again, these words are not interchangeable. The claims are like being denied. This one case is not dismissed. It's just denied.
Lisa Barlow
Yeah. But I hope you enjoy the cocktail on the menu called fanciful tale. Because that's how my lawyer described these allegations. He said, you know what, It's a fanciful tale. So we made a drink out of it. Do you guys like it? I'm innocent.
Angie
I'm going to just say this right now. I don't think any lawyer said this is a fanciful tale.
Heather Gay
I do. I think it was like, oh, really? Well, this is all a nice fanciful tale, but we are going to moved to have this dismissed.
Lisa Barlow
And she's like, yeah, it was the fanciful tale. Ask my lawyer.
Angie
Ask him. I feel like the fanciful tale was like the name of the cocktail that was already on the menu. That. And she's like, oh, yeah, put that on our menu. Yeah, because it's like. I'll just say my lawyer said that. It's so good. It's so good. Denied, denied, denied. So Angie's like, I don't understand.
Heather Gay
I think that she put that she. She named the drink for that because she made the menu. It's her lunch. So wasn't it all. All stuff that was based on this court case?
Lisa Barlow
It's like, okay, everybody enjoy the dismissed salad. You know what? Okay. I hope you guys enjoy the pay the extra $11 pot stickers.
Angie
Enjoy this cocoa that's brought to you by Swiss dismiss. So Angie is like, I don't even understand what she's talking about. And I keep hearing fanciful tale, like, she's like a princess in a story that has a happy ending, but it's not a goddamn fairy tale. But you're not wearing a princess dress. You're not twirling around booty boop. And. And then all the cases disappear. Because that's what she's trying to make it sound like.
Heather Gay
Yeah, Lisa's not doing great here, so she's. Bronwyn's like, okay, well, I don't believe you. It's not just me. You've done it to other people at the table too. Okay? You've. You've done digging. You're a digger. You've dug behind my back. You've done it to a lot of people.
Lisa Barlow
And she's like, I didn't dig behind your back. I didn't dig behind your back. You know what, Bronwyn? You're so full of shit. You know what? You don't anything about digging, but we do know that you like to dig. Yeah, now that you dig, you're a.
Whitney
Dignity when everybody tells me you've done it to them.
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, no, I do know that. Because you're digging. That's why you're digging. You know what? You're obsessed with talking about me because you got busted lying on jewelry you didn't buy and you can't buy. You know what? I'm none of your business, and you're none of mine. Don't talk to me ever again, Dagger. Don't ever do it.
Angie
I love whenever she says, don't talk to me ever again. She does that all the time. Like, never speak to me for the rest of eternity. Like, when you're, like, still at a table with her. Bronwyn's like, well, then why do you.
Whitney
Keep talking about me? It's endless, the amount of things you say about me. You came into Amy's house.
Angie
I had to apologize to Amy for this fight that we had in her house. And again, Amy, once again so sorry about that. Don't speak. Don't. You don't have to respond to that. You were calling me a whore. You did do that.
Lisa Barlow
Lisa, I never called you a whore, okay? It's peggish to brag about doing blow jobs. That's sad.
Whitney
You said I suck dick for money.
Lisa Barlow
Okay, you know what? Is this how you're trying to get away from the fact that your husband's a misogynistic asshole? Is that you're trying to get away from us?
Angie
Table.
Whitney
Is you saying I suck dick for money?
Angie
Because that's misogynist. This gets a big head nod for me because that is female on female bullshit, and you know it. Big head.
Lisa Barlow
Honey, honey, honey. You know what? The only reason you brought it up is because you got busted lying. You got busted lying, and I have.
Angie
Explained to all of them this. You chose not to come camping, and you chose not to listen to my story about how I was just trying to fit in with the cool girls, and I'm actually almost a victim at this point for my own lying.
Lisa Barlow
Yeah. But you know why? Because Ben Affleck and Blake Lively at Anna Kendrick's movie premieres. You know what? So sorry. Like, Anna Kendrick is more important. Okay.
Angie
Wow, she really used the Anna Kendrick card there to get out of that one. She would have added that was available.
Heather Gay
And Mary just starts laughing. She's like, wow, yes, Anna Kendrick, yes.
Angie
Guys, none of that stuff matters. Sort of like my wants and wishes while I had daughters in the house. What matters is that we were all on a trip and Bronwyn dropped a lot of facts about Lisa, that you were wanting to have a luncheon to. To what?
Whitney
Clarify.
Angie
Let's talk about it.
Lisa Barlow
Okay, but you know what? Let me clarify this. Let me clarify this. Dust, mast. Dust masts.
Heather Gay
Well, I hope it's not true. And I hope you do clear it up, because I don't want to be.
Lisa Barlow
You know what?
Heather Gay
I don't want this to be the case, Lisa. I don't want this to be the case. I don't. I don't.
Angie
Well, I want to make this very clear. All of this is true. And these things happened. I did get sued. 1, 2, 3, 4. And I'll probably get sued in the future. Okay? Probably by Anna Kendrick. Let's be honest. But is there merit to it? No. Can anyone sue for anything? Yes. Do I have money? Yes. Do I love my business? Yes. Am I proud of what I accomplished? Yes. Do I factor my receivables 100%. Do I love a rhetorical question? Yes.
Heather Gay
Where did that come from? All of it.
Angie
Yeah.
Heather Gay
All of it was making sense until.
Lisa Barlow
Do I factor my receivables 100%?
Angie
I don't even know what that means. So when he's like.
Heather Gay
Like, when he gets upset about this. Yeah. I don't know if her receivables are the money she's getting from her business partner and she's factoring that. I mean, I have no idea. So Whitney is like, lisa is complet unhinged. Now that we're talking about factoring. I can't even say she's a train that went off the rails. Like, she's derailed. Yeah, she's. She's not off the rails.
Angie
She's derailed, if you know what I mean. We do. Factoring receivables is a financial process where a business sells its unpaid customer invoices to a factoring company. I guess, like, you get. You sell your debt. I guess for those wondering.
Heather Gay
So Angie's like, I thought I was invited to a ladies luncheon. Are we going to order? I like that. The girl comes over and she's like, can we order? Just like this little teenager. And they just keep screaming at each other and fighting over it. Heather's like, I'll have the.
Lisa Barlow
Thank God my daughters are out of my house. Stupid little bitches.
Heather Gay
Soup.
Lisa Barlow
Thank you.
Heather Gay
Great.
Angie
So, yeah. So Lisa's like, well, what were you hoping to gain from talking bad about me? And Angel's like, okay, let's clear it up. Will you listen? Well, why would you do it behind my back? It's like, lisa, you elected not to go on the first big trip of the season, and then you're shocked that your show that's built on gossip, like, had you in the crosshairs. Like, that's what you get, you know? Sorry, you're just. If you want to control the narrative, you got to be there. So Mary's saying, like, it wasn't like that.
Heather Gay
This is why she's so perfect for this show, because all she needs to do is say, you guys. Everybody gets sued. You guys know that this stuff is a bunch of bullshit. This guy's, you know, you ask me whatever questions. Okay, Lisa, did you have a credit card? Yes. I worked with the guy. It's normal for us to both have credit cards for the business. He was the funder of the business. So that's why the credit card was under his name. Why didn't you pay it? Yeah, because we got in a business dispute, and he's trying to. I mean, she could just calmly answer this shit and it would go away, but instead she's like, that's mess.
Lisa Barlow
It's a poster.
Angie
She's also, like, totally unhinged as she Says this stuff like. Like, lady, you're the one.
Heather Gay
No, she's not unhinged. She's the hinged. She's off the hinge.
Angie
The hinge. No, but it's just funny because Lisa, it's like you. You. You're not ambushed in this situation. You have all your talking points. The fact that she can't, like, recite her talking points calmly. The fact that she, like, flies off the handle immediately when she has all.
Whitney
She's.
Angie
She created this event. How are you not in control of your own narrative at your own party? That was to surprise them. Like, she's just like screaming like, you don't know. You don't know. Go away. I don't want to talk to you ever again. It's like, Lisa, like, you, you should have complete control in this scene. But she's like, I'm asking. I'm going to ask a very simple question, and it might even be a two parter. Okay, what was your objective in talking behind my back? And what were you hoping to gain from that? It's like an HR question all of a sudden.
Heather Gay
Well, what were you hoping to gain from these posters?
Lisa Barlow
But I'm asking a simple question. Okay, what. What were you gaining?
Heather Gay
Okay, number one, I've watched you talk about people's businesses.
Lisa Barlow
No, you haven't.
Heather Gay
Yes, I have.
Lisa Barlow
No, you haven't. Thank you for the story, though. Thank you for the story. You know what your story's done? That was like a poor person's story.
Angie
It's frustrating.
Lisa Barlow
$12 for an extra page to finish your story.
Angie
This is Greek frustrating. No, you're frust. You're frustrating. Well, you're very frustrating. No one makes me want to get out of my chair more than you, because that's my iconic thing, is to get out of a chair. And I mean, you've been one of my closest friends, but you are also so fucking frustrating when you won't listen. You are too fustrating. Fustrating. And then it goes to commercial break and we come back, Angie's like, and you and you talk and I'm willing to listen. And I added on to that comment that was made, and I'm just gonna spell it out again. No, I'm not the one trying to be Jenshaw.
Heather Gay
And so now Angie gets really pissed and it's like, you think I want to be.
Lisa Barlow
Do you look like her, though? But you look like her. You've got the same hair girl, the same everything.
Heather Gay
No, this is my fucking hair girl. Now she stands. Now she's Mad because they're fighting about hair girls and brow girls. Yeah, that's what you really need to get to Angie. Like, you mess with her hair girls, you are dead.
Angie
Yeah, this is a nice twist on the Tamra judge. Jen wants to look like me. Now we have a. You want to look like Jen. In this case, shah fight with her with your hair. So Lisa's like, yeah, okay, you don't have the same hair. We have the same brow girl and the same lash girl and the same nail girl. God forbid. So Angie's like, like, I have been going to my brow girl for 14 years. Listen, see, look, you better listen to this, because this is about a brow girl. You better listen. My brow girl for 14 years, she's the fucking best brow girl in all of Salt Lake City. And Britney's like, wait a second, is that the same brown girl who was flirting with Jared?
Heather Gay
Flashback to one year ago, Angie telling Sean that her brow girl was getting DMS from Jared.
Angie
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But what about trying to insert herself?
Heather Gay
So Angie's like, everybody knows the brow girl. You've used her. You've used her.
Lisa Barlow
You've tried her, you've tried her.
Heather Gay
And Lisa, Brittany's like, but I want to know. Does anyone else want to know? Am I the only one who wants to know about the brow girl?
Angie
Lisa goes, I haven't used the brow girl. No, I haven't done it. Everyone ignores Britney as she tries to pivot herself into this. And then Angie's like, everyone loves her. And Mary's like, yeah, she's the best. And Heather's like, this is totally stupid. It's like a science fair.
Heather Gay
Lisa, get to the meat and potatoes. So the waitress is trying to get orders, and it's a mess, and they won't stop yelling at each other. Lisa. And Angie and Amy stands up, finally is like, lisa, we have to order, please.
Lisa Barlow
You compared me to Jen Shaw, but.
Heather Gay
We can get back to this. Lisa, please, we need to order food. We need to have food in front of us that we're not eating. Lisa, it's the point of the show.
Angie
It seems like if you're going to have a lunch, there should be food. Man cannot survive on poster board alone. By the way, why can't Angie just say it was a joke? Lisa, it was a joke. I mean, because that's. I've been waiting for, like, two episodes for Angie just to say it was a joke. But they can't get to it because now Whitney jumps in and she goes.
Whitney
Wait, can I ask A question, and I think it's gonna clarify a lot. What's wind like? What is it? If you think about it, think about it.
Heather Gay
Who's blowing it?
Whitney
Where does it come from? Where's it going?
Heather Gay
If you are being accused of asking for $400,000 and we hear about it and we read about it and we're tagged in it, what are we supposed to think? Whitney, there are a lot of accusations about you online, and that doesn't make them true. Yeah, but, like, now you pipe in. Meredith, you were silent when we were camping.
Angie
No, I was not silent. I was FaceTiming with my toddler. He was safe from Martha Sorensen or Molly Sorensen or whoever that evil woman was. Who wants to pray on my baby.
Heather Gay
So we see a flashback to camping, and Meredith is like, we shouldn't be speaking about this behind Lisa's back. We should wait until Lisa's here. She easy opportunity to present poster boards with her sayings on it. And so we come back and Britney's.
Angie
Like, that was fine.
Heather Gay
I mean, I thought. I thought that was standing up for someone. Yeah. What are you supposed to do?
Angie
Yeah, I think that's totally, totally acceptable. Meredith Marks standing up. So Britney's like, well, I was surprised that Meredith didn't speak up more because she's got legal expertise. Okay, well, that's real funny, Britney. Another lie from you. You know what? You are real call you little miss Perjury. That's legal for lying because that's what you do under oath.
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, you would know that if you paid the extra 18 to get to the perjury part. Non payer.
Angie
Well, I would have been interested in your perspective because you're the only one with a law degree.
Heather Gay
Well, I spoke about it. Legally, maybe you didn't listen. Legally.
Angie
No, you didn't say it. Was she not off? I mean, like, mostly silent? Wasn't she mostly silent, everyone? She was silent, right?
Heather Gay
I don't want to hear the line things anymore. I do not want to get lies anymore.
Angie
Mary's like, no, you did not stick up for your friend Meredith. Well, yes, I did, Mary. I. I just said, no, you didn't. Well, I spoke up. I said, don't you dare say that. I said, don't. Don't say that.
Whitney
And then.
Angie
And then I said the rest through my eyes, which, oh, you know, loudly as my mouth.
Heather Gay
They're trying to cause problems with us. Lisa don't listen to Lisa's like, I'm not.
Lisa Barlow
I'm not listening. Listening to them. I believe yo. I believe You, Merida, I believe yo.
Whitney
This doesn't prove anything, Lisa. It doesn't. It doesn't.
Lisa Barlow
How are you unwinding your business, Whitney? How are you unwinding up her business?
Heather Gay
Yeah, now they're all offended that she's talking about business. How dare you. Don't say anything about her business. You're deflecting.
Lisa Barlow
Oh, yeah, but how are you unwinding at.
Whitney
You don't know anything about my business. Stop it.
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, you don't know anything about Blake Lively, so.
Whitney
But I'm. I'm getting out of. I'm getting out of business.
Angie
It didn't.
Whitney
It didn't work out for me.
Lisa Barlow
So nobody put money into your company. No one did. Like a ten thousand dollar buy on.
Whitney
No, Justin. Justin and I put in money in chocolate syrup and we put in that money and I'm paying. I'm paying out a line. Can I start from the top about this?
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, but you know what? Then why are people bitching about you on Tech Talk?
Whitney
Yeah, because you're like, on TikTok, digger, digger. There she is.
Angie
Which was, by the way, true. It was hilarious when, when Lisa was going like, hard in the paint, saying she doesn't dig things up. And like, she's already brought up three different things in this luncheon alone about stuff that she's read somewhere.
Heather Gay
Well, but yeah, but Whitney's argument. But no, I don't think so. Because Whitney's argument was Lisa. Everyone's tagging us in all these stor online. How are we not supposed to know? And then she turns around and she's like, oh, you heard something about me on TikTok, then you're digging. No, I mean, if it's okay for you to talk about stories that you were tagged on on Instagram. You think she's not tagged in all these stories too? They're also ridiculous. They're funny.
Angie
I don't know. I. I think Whitney has a point here because Lisa. Because, well, the, the original argument was with Bronwyn and like Lisa is accusing Bronwyn of digging things up and from. It's like, you dig. And then Lisa's like, I don't dig. I don't take at all. And then Lisa's like, oh, well, this is what I found out about you on TikTok. It's like you do dig as much as everyone else does. And the truth is like digging something up, like finding something on TikTok is. Is more diggy than lawsuits being in the newspaper, I think.
Heather Gay
No, I don't think so. More People watch Tick Tock. Especially in that group. More people watch Tick Tock than read a newspaper. I mean, look at Beverly Hills. They couldn't even get through an entire article about Erica. Like, but they'll know everything that's on TikTok. I mean, I don't think it's digging. I mean, personally, I just don't think it's digging to say, oh, I saw something on TikTok about you. We also.
Angie
Well, I think the point is that, like, Lisa's acting like she is. Like, oh, she's too busy to deal with this because she's dealing with Ben Affleck and Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick. But, like, she's just down in the trenches like everyone else.
Heather Gay
Yeah, yeah, they're all this. They're all hypocrites, I guess, is what I'm saying. They're so silly because one minute Whitney's like, oh, really? But we didn't. We didn't dig anything. We just saw it on social media. And then when Lisa's like, well, I saw something on social media, Digger. Okay? They're all ridiculous. So when he's like, bitch, there are so many TikToks about you and your new facelift. And I'm not bringing that up, and there's legal documents. Like, coming for me is not going to vindicate you in the court of law.
Angie
The court of law, Whitney, you're the last person that needs to be talking right now. Just in general, has nothing to do this argument. You're just, like, really passionate.
Heather Gay
She's scared, everybody. She's scared.
Angie
No, I'm not scared. Dismissed. Okay? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me? If I were scared, would I pay 25 extra dollars to get the full article? I don't think so.
Heather Gay
Because you're covering up for the truth because you're scared.
Angie
No, I'm not scared of the truth. You're scared of the truth. Guess what? Guess what I just did. I took what you said, I turned it around, made it about you, because, yeah, you've lied about me, okay? You're scared about. You're scared about the truth because you lied.
Lisa Barlow
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what? And there's a judge that says, fucking dismissed. And that's not a cover up. You unwinding your fake fucking bleep is a cover up, okay? That's what it is. BLEEP cover up.
Whitney
You don't. You don't know anything about that. Why are you lying? Why are you going there right now, Lisa? Why?
Lisa Barlow
You're disgusting. You fucking Red.
Heather Gay
I thought she said redneck, but I guess she said redhead.
Angie
Well, I thought she had said redneck. And then the close. Then the caption looked like it had said red head to me, but it was obscured.
Heather Gay
I was pretty sure she said redneck, but here's Whitney's Instagram post from today or yesterday right after the show. So much to unpack here. At first I laughed when I saw because I thought she called me redneck and I was laughing at my own miss, huh? But then I realized no. Then I realized that she actually called me redhead as an mc and it just sent my entire heart bursting in pain. For all of the redheads that I love, that I love deeply, this in.
Lisa Barlow
All caps right here is all caps.
Heather Gay
Exactly why I colored my hair red. Sad crying face. If you are naturally redhead, please know that you are beautiful and rare star emoji. Don't listen to the hate. One day you will love your natural beauty heart. Don't let, don't let Lisa. Don't let Lisa's bullying get to you. Redheads. Okay, Brittany. Okay. You're a real Trevor project over there. Whitney.
Angie
We are both children of redheads. And we, we, we take this issue very seriously.
Heather Gay
But, and I've never been bullied harder than I was by that redhead. So I'm not, I'm not worried about the redheads of my world, that's for sure.
Angie
But it was funny because I did notice. I was like, okay. Because I went back and I was like, I'm pretty sure there was like a little, there was some, there was some obfuscation. And so but I'm looking at, I was like, I'm pretty sure that says red head.
Whitney
But then Whitney said, oh, redneck.
Angie
So now it's, now it makes sense that she heard redneck. But Lisa Barlow said redhead. I also love that, like, Lisa Barlow's insult has like no craftsmanship to it. It's just like redhead. It's not like you, you, you, you ginger haired freak or something like that. Like, it was not even. That's not good either. But at least there was something to it. It's not like just say, you tomato headed twinkie face.
Lisa Barlow
You upper crisp Wendy Wendy head.
Angie
You ketchup headed stupid body period head.
Heather Gay
So Lisa's like, you lied about Ali.
Lisa Barlow
Baba and you lied about all this shit. And you know what? I've got it on my phone, you liar.
Heather Gay
Just. But I don't search from Ali Baba. I'm fighting for Wild Rose Beauty as a woman in business. I'm fighting for Whitney Wild roses.
Lisa Barlow
Good. You know what? That's your excuse. So you know what? No one's talk about her. Cause she's upset. Okay? She's so upset.
Angie
She's a real Meg Whitman over there.
Heather Gay
So.
Angie
Oh, well. Okay, well, this is great. Liar is lying a little bit more because Whitney's like, and I didn't pile on.
Whitney
Meredith didn't stand up for you. Everyone talked about it. And I did not pile on.
Angie
I didn't pile on.
Heather Gay
Yes, you did. Whatever. And whatever. Lisa deserves the pile on. Even if everybody did do it. Lisa loves getting in that mess as much as everybody else. So Whitney's like, but, yeah, but I'm paying off my debts, and I'm paying off my partnership because I have the.
Lisa Barlow
Money to do it.
Heather Gay
Yeah. So. Okay, so now you're bragging about money like Lisa. I mean, these ladies are so ridiculous. I love them.
Angie
She throws a napkin at least like, oh, my God.
Whitney
I'm not being accused of owing people money.
Angie
Why are you paying people money?
Whitney
I'm not being accused because I owe. I already owe them. I'm being paying them back.
Lisa Barlow
I'm not either. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
Heather Gay
So she kind of pushes her away because Whitney's trying to get in her face. And so Whitney just starts storming around the room, and she's like, yeah, you know what? I'm like, I'm triggered. Lisa triggered me. I'm so triggered, I'm leaving. And so she storms out of the room, kind of moving her fingers in the air, like, in a. I guess in what? A show. What is supposed to be a show of her being triggered? She's like, I am triggered.
Angie
Yeah. And that's the. To be continued. What will happen?
Heather Gay
So funny. This show is so stupid, though. And I love every second of it. Every time, even as I'm groaning and being like, oh, my God, I laugh every single time.
Angie
It was hilarious. And I really was not expecting. I was really not expecting Whitney to be the cliffhanger on this episode because she was just sort of sitting there quietly and then. But, like, she shows up. She shows up. Oh, yeah. By the way, the actual quote. The quote quote is, you're disgusting, comma, redhead. So it is official. Lisa Barlow did say redhead, not redneck.
Heather Gay
Where's the official quote?
Angie
No, I saw the. Hold on. Let me pull it up now. I just lost it. It was on Twitter. Really great information.
Heather Gay
Oh, they have, like, the video script.
Angie
Yeah, okay. Well, whatever. Anywho. Such a funny and hilarious.
Heather Gay
Yeah. Thanks so much for being with us, guys. This was a Fun one. We will be back in a couple days with Real Housewives of Orange county and Miami Reunion. So join us for that and go over to Patreon for videos and to get our latest bonus episode which is covering an episode of With Love Megan. Until next time. We love you guys. Bye.
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"RHOSLC S603 Part 2: Poster Child"
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: October 1, 2025
Covered Show: Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Season 6, Episode 3 (Part 2)
Hosts Ben and Ronnie dive into part two of their detailed and satirical recap of the latest Real Housewives of Salt Lake City drama. The episode focuses on Heather remodeling her home, Angie’s battles with her daughter and Greek identity, Lisa Barlow’s defensive poster-board lunch over legal rumors, and a lunch that devolves into accusations, denials, and bickering about both lawsuits and beauty appointments—culminating in a spat over whether Lisa called Whitney a "redneck" or "redhead". The commentary is both affectionate and eviscerating, with the hosts reveling in housewife absurdity and hypocrisy at every turn.
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This episode delivers classic Watch What Crappens—wickedly sharp, loving mockery of the latest Real Housewives spectacle. The hosts dissect every meltdown, denial, and performative moment, providing a hilarious roadmap for listeners who crave both Bravo drama and smart, irreverent commentary. From metaphorical “science fair” lunches to the existential “redhead” insult, it’s a tour-de-force in Housewives podcasting.
Cliffhanger: Whitney storms out after Lisa’s insult—so, “to be continued” on what comes next in Salt Lake City’s ongoing legal and emotional snowstorm.