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Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Croppens. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys. It's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay. It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.
Brandy
So now they all start showing up at. At Tamara's house and Emery's. Emily is there first and she's like, you know, she's just talking.
Kristen
We know.
Heather
I brought one. I've got my own in my purse.
Kristen
Just in case this one sucked, you gluten free terrorist.
Heather
Well, look, I need a drink before I talk about Gretchers. Grouchers.
Brandy
Okay.
Tamra
Yeah, let's do that.
Heather
Okay. So can I want to talk to.
Brandy
You something about something?
Heather
Okay. I was personally surprised by some, by the things that Gretchen was saying because they were not on brand for how she likes to portray herself, you know, as this very Christian person.
Brandy
And which is fair. And Emily's like, yeah, because before we.
Heather
Went to LA to pick you up, she enslaved her daughter. I had this like prayer moment and I was like, should I be invited to this?
Brandy
Which did actually kind of make me laugh. Was like, okay, we're going to pray for safety, but Emily, we're not going to include you in this.
Heather
And then we saw that they literally.
Brandy
Gathered together and prayed.
Tamra
Cameras are here. You know what that means?
Kristen
Prayer time. Give me a break. They stand behind the car and start praying. I was like, can someone put this car in reverse? Make yourself useful.
Brandy
Was. Was it. Did they do this prayer before spreading these lies about. About Tamra or before Slay did his standup and called V icky Miss Piggy. I'm just wondering when, when the prayer sessions are so I can just like mentally prepare for them.
Kristen
Just wondering, yeah, yeah, you know, what.
Tamra
People who are godly and pray like that. And the ghost breaks rumors about people they're hiding behind the Jesus curtain.
Kristen
I saw her backstage, like, okay, baptism Tamara.
Brandy
I know the camera sort of like lingered on her for a moment. They didn't give her a bolt, but they kind of gave like the music kind of did like a little bit of a half coconut. It was like, I love that. Like everyone who watched knows, like, that's why you have. That's why it's so good to really, like, watch all of a show. Because if you just came in three seasons ago, you do not understand the irony of Tamara saying that. But if you obviously are like a long timer, you're like, oh, these. These seeds, they come back as beautiful bushes later on in life.
Kristen
Oh, man, that's so sweet. And seeing Tamara has a beautiful bush. So Emily's like, yo, I want to talk about la.
Brandy
Okay.
Kristen
With Gretchen, Heather, and. And we're going to bed and we played a game, and one of the questions was, who do you trust the least? By the way, I was the one who made up the questions and asked, who do you trust the least? Which, of course, I'm like, what? Emily's so ridiculous. She makes the whole drama. She asks the question, she gets the answer, and then now she throws herself under the bus to have a fight with Tamara. That's how desperate they are right now. But I don't even care because it's so fucking funny.
Brandy
But there's also. What's also sort of shitty about it is that, like, she. Well, she throws Heather under the bus right now. She. And then she takes accountability and says, I said a two. But she gets to Tamara first. And this is something I feel like she always does. She gets there first. So that way she gets kind of like the first wave of like. Like, anger, but, like, she gets the credit for being the one to say it. And. Which somehow makes you, like, more accountable when it's just more like you had a faster car. Like, you just. Your schedule was earlier, and so now Heather looks like more of the. Because, like, Heather was, like, not accountable, whereas Emily was accountable. And it's just like, that's a. It's just shitty because, like, you create a trap. Yeah, you create a trap and then you go. And then you tell the person first, and then you're off the hook when you're just as culpable.
Kristen
And if anything, you started it. Like, you started it on purpose, and now you're doing the bare minimum to get yourself out of it, to start other people to fight, you know, it's just so Emily, she does it all the time, and Tamara falls for it, you know, just like they all fall for Tamara stuff every time. Tamara falls for their stuff, too, you know, and that's why this show is so funny, because they can just trigger each other so easily. It's like watching those dominoes in sports, you know, when they make those huge, intricate designs and you're like, surely this isn't going to fall. And they all fall, and it's Beautiful. Every time, it's beautiful.
Brandy
But, you know, the other thing is that by Emily doing this, it's kind of like that perunctory thing that they do on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills all the time when, you know, with the Fox Force Five, whenever people say, like, you guys are just a click, you guys don't hold each other accountable, so they go through the motions of pretending that they are. So this is Emily's way of saying.
Heather
I don't just do whatever Tamara says. Look, didn't you see that scene where I told her that I wouldn't trust her?
Brandy
So it's like, okay, like you're, like, you're. Yes, you are saying this, but your actions show totally different. So. But it. That being said, it was hilarious because she is saying to Tamara, like, I don't trust you with private information. And Tamara's like.
Heather
Well, no, my fear is that if things were to go wrong, that you were just like, go look something up. And that's like a legitimate fear.
Kristen
Okay, but. But before we even go into all this, Emily is the queen of looking things up. I mean, she came last year with a whole file on Katie and her divorce and her arrest or her whatever that she was going through and that road rage thing and everything else. I mean, she is the queen of doing research on how did the season begin? Yeah, the season began with, like, Emily doing research.
Heather
It's like Katie spoke to her, spoke to a nanny and told the nanny to go onto a podcast. The nanny went to. Onto a podcast.
Brandy
Ma', am, if you like, why don't you focus on other things than like, who is like, what low level, like, hanger on is like, going on to what podcast? Like, who cares? No one would know about this podcast. No one would care about this podcast if you didn't like, announce it on a megaphone here on this show.
Kristen
Yeah, well, the word. I think the worst stuff was the Katie. You know, this is what happened in your divorce. Your kids were, oh, that was terrible. And your, you know, then there was this arrest where she got someone else arrested. She got this road rage thing, whatever all that was like, she's the queen of this stuff. So Tamara's like, like, you were saying.
Tamra
That. How could you do that in front of a gluten free baker?
Heather
I know it hurts your feelings.
Brandy
I know, I know I'm not loyal to your father.
Tamra
Hey, lady, do you remember earlier? What did I. What was the first thing I told you when I came into my house? Cake lady.
Kristen
She's like, you told me to eat some gluten.
Tamra
That's right. That's right. I am loyal to a fault, which is why I am actively not part of the trade some nicus anymore. I'm just so honest. I'm honest with everybody. What have I ever done to her that she would not trust me?
Kristen
Jammer's unpredictable. I mean, there's all kind of articles that my husband's cheating on me. I don't know where that came from. I don't know. Okay, so now you're blaming Tamra for there being articles about your husband being an asshole. I mean, listen. I mean, I think Tamara is an asshole, but you're all assholes, Emily. And I don't know that I think that's pretty ballsy for you to accuse Tamara of spreading articles that your husband's cheating. First of all, Tamara would be a little bit more believable than that because I don't believe anybody watching this show thinks, wow, there's a man with a really crazy sex drive.
Brandy
Yeah, exactly. I think that Emily thinks she's the Greek chorus on this show, but she's real. Like, she doesn't realize she's tipped into, like, enemy terror. Like, she. You're not Emmy. You're. You're a villain. And you think that you're being very relatable right now, but you're actually just being hypocritical. So to emorett's like, gosh, like, look.
Heather
You have to admit that you do things like that, okay? You can't just, like, have clean hands all the time and everybody else is a villain.
Tamra
I can't. I can't believe this. You're pissed. No, I can't. I can't. I cannot get fucking hurt by you. I can't. I'm not hurt. I'm not pissed. I'm hurt. I'm going up the stairs. I'm going up the stairs.
Kristen
And she looks behind to make sure the cameras are following her.
Tamra
So I'm going to sit. You guys coming? Okay. Yeah.
Kristen
So now Emily is stuck alone down there with the cake lady, and she's like, whoa.
Tamra
Well.
Kristen
Well, here we are. She's like, yeah, I'm just staying over here in my. My little buttercream corner.
Brandy
Buttercream corner. Love that show.
Heather
I understand that Tamara's upset at me, but. And I'll apologize to her because we've had a good relationship, you know?
Brandy
And then Gina walks and say, hi.
Heather
Oh, you came in a good time.
Tamra
What happened?
Heather
Well, Tamara's pissed at me and she just left already.
Tamra
We didn't even decorate cakes yet.
Heather
I think it's cuz these are gluten free and she knows they'll be not worth the calories. No offense, Lisa.
Kristen
We just hear clomping come down the stairs. Tamara's coming back.
Tamra
It's like.
Kristen
So Gina's like, yeah, I feel like when you're storming off in your own house, it's not a good storm. So Gene, Tamara hugs Gina and she's like, what's wrong?
Tamra
Are you mad?
Kristen
What's wrong with you?
Tamra
I'm good. I'm good. Don't even talk about it. Don't talk about it.
Kristen
Can we finish this conversation?
Tamra
Yeah. When I get done. When I get done. I'm busy right now pulling that gluten free stuff in the refrigerator.
Kristen
Why?
Brandy
Why are you like mad, Tamra?
Tamra
Because apparently I can't be trusted. It just hurts my feelings because I support and I support and I support railroading one person off this cast every season and no one ever has my back about it. All I do is support. And nobody supports me. Bitch.
Kristen
We support, yo. Right, look, I can name all the time, Emily something.
Heather
No, no, I don't think that's true. Because honestly, through this whole situation with Gretchen, I. I've been like, trying really hard as well. Like when Gretchen, like, said those things about you, I was like, let's hear the. Let's hear the video. I want to see Tamara having sex with someone. I want to see Tamra cheating. Like that was me really supporting you.
Kristen
Yeah. Like, it's hard to see both sides. Yeah. But for her to see another side to things, like, I'm sorry it hurt you. I don't want to hurt you, Tara.
Heather
I don't want to hurt you.
Kristen
Okay, well, listen, I want to tell you personally, like, I thought it was really cool that you fucked Hanson.
Brandy
Well, yeah, I mean, I was kind of like hoping that you did because.
Heather
Like, yo, what are details?
Tamra
And by the way, guys, I could have recently him. I could have if I wanted to. And by the way, I talked to his wife and she gave me a screenshot. Look at this screenshot. It says Nelson. It says Nelson said that Jim Badrandi just followed him.
Brandy
And they're like, nelson and Hanson.
Tamra
I fuck Nelson and Hanson. I got both of them.
Kristen
I love.
Tamra
Both of all their wives called me.
Brandy
Tamara's defense that she won't go and look something up about you the moment she gets mad at you is that she goes to present some stuff she looked up about Jen.
Heather
That she was.
Kristen
That she's in contact with the wife, talking about it, and the wife is sending her screenshots. This shit's so funny. I love that she's. She's friends with the wife.
Brandy
That's hilarious. Exactly.
Tamra
So she's like, yeah, Jim Patransi just followed him.
Kristen
Wait a minute. Does she want dirt or does she want tickets? Tickets to what?
Brandy
I think she actually literally wants dirt. Excuse me. I'm trying to grow a garden, and I was wondering if you have any dirt that I can borrow. I don't want to go to Home Depot.
Kristen
So Tamara's like, I don't even follow.
Tamra
I don't even follow that thing.
Heather
Yeah.
Kristen
Because it's not appropriate. Yeah. But as a fan and a millennial, like, that's okay. That's okay. Like, everybody follows Nelson. So now Jen comes. Check. Hi, everybody. Hi. Oh, my God, are these cakes? This is so beautiful. Wow. Everything's so beautiful. Thank you so much for having me cake. Thank you so much for being made out of edible things. I love edible things. Thank you so much for being here.
Brandy
So Jen saying, you know, I've been burned, I've been apologized to, and I just get sucked right back in. But enough about Ryan. This cake decorating seems like it'll be a safe place for me and Tamara. So they are, like, ready to decorate and everything. And now Heather arrives, and this lady is basically giving, like, a. Like, a cake seminar. But first, the ladies are checking out the charcuterie, and she's like, oh, wow, there's a turkey here, which is.
Tamra
Oh, look, protein. And a radish. Okay, well, I don't know if I.
Brandy
Have to have any cake today, because I already had some indulgence with this radish.
Tamra
Okay, sorry, ladies, no cake for me.
Kristen
Have you seen Grail Chan? I saw Gretchen. She actually feels bad. Does she feel bad? Yeah, I was gonna wait for you to say. You just say it. So much better. Thank you. I feel bad. That's not what I said. Oh, Tamara's like, well, have you told.
Tamra
Me that she actually believes her lies? Maybe you told me that. Maybe you told me that.
Kristen
That's not what I said. I said, Gretchen doesn't lie, but when she speaks, she believes what she's saying.
Tamra
Oh, yeah. Like a sociopath.
Brandy
I did not call her a sociopath. I just called her a poor Megyn Kelly. That's it.
Tamra
But that's where the sociopath is. She's saying she's a sociopath because she said she don't think that the sociopath did her.
Brandy
It is her truth.
Tamra
It is her truth.
Brandy
Like how for women now, she kept.
Tamra
Her mother in the bedroom, she's now dressing like her mother and killing ladies in the shower.
Brandy
I never said that. That I am saying. She just believes the things that come out of her mouth. Like when Wendy Malik said, I think I'm going to have a long and prosperous career, I said, she believes it. It's a lie to me, but to her it's true. Do you understand?
Tamra
Okay, then what's Wendy Malik?
Kristen
A poriopath. Okay, Po, but that's the same thing we say about Katie. She lies so much that she believes what she's.
Tamra
Yeah. Oh, by the way, I talked to Katie yesterday and I'm gonna meet with her. What do you think about that?
Heather
We killed her. No, no, she's back. No, don't do it.
Kristen
Why would you believe that? Anything that she has to say. Where are you gonna sit with her, Tamara?
Tamra
Cause there's something she said. Their wedding is with me.
Kristen
And then Tamara tells us. Yeah, something in my gut's telling me that Gretchen 100% told Katie that I drugged her. Well, you already know that. But we know why Tamara is meeting with Katie because she needs an ally. This whole cast is turning against her, and she's. She's going to go get Katie back on this show.
Brandy
And not only is she getting Katie back in the show on social media, she's going overtime. They're posting photos together. I mean, it. Like, just yesterday, there was one of the two of them is like three identical photos, like, just ever so slightly different. And I was like, so first of all, Tamara's now positioning herself with the. With like, the fan favorite at the moment, which is so Tamara. She's so shrewd. She's so. I mean, she really. She just knows how to play this game because now she's cozying up to Katie. And Katie, who earlier this season was like, oh, my God, everyone, Tamara's the devil. Now Katie is with Tamara because she's the only one who's, like, being nice to her. And it's kind of. It's amazing how Housewives politics works.
Kristen
Yeah, it really is. So, Emily, it's like, wait, so you're going to sit down with someone that hurt me and my children, that hurt.
Heather
Her and called her racist, that recorded.
Kristen
Her without her knowledge?
Heather
She went after you when?
Kristen
Then you're going to sit down with her and you're going to believe in this moment, you're going to believe what she has to say because that works for your narrative against grudge.
Brandy
I Was settled down. Turkey sandwich. Okay. She didn't hurt you and your children. Okay. And, like, she called Gina racist, because Gina was. It was honestly, it was rude what Gina said. And then, like, recording Shannon without her knowledge. Okay, sure. But, like, it's. This was not.
Kristen
Like, Shannon recorded people, too.
Brandy
Yeah, exactly. Like, this was not leaked to the press. It was just something that she and her husband were basically giggling over because Shannon was being ridiculous. It's just these are not the worst infractions, Emily. Like, get over it.
Kristen
Yeah. And so she's like, well, I just.
Tamra
Want to see shed some detailed information. Nothing's wrong with details. What you guys say.
Heather
Yeah, well, I don't. I don't want to know anything, because, honestly, if you sit down with her, that really pisses me off. And then you want to be upset that I said I didn't trust you.
Brandy
Which is a fair point. And so Jeff was like, yeah, but.
Tamra
But there's a big difference between that.
Heather
I mean. No, it's not a big difference.
Brandy
It's worse.
Tamra
Oh, this is great. Can we just decorate the cake, snackers?
Kristen
No, I'm pissed.
Heather
I'm really pissed off.
Kristen
Okay. This would be more effective if you didn't have icing all over your face sitting there just, like, licking the icing spoon, which someone's gonna have to eat that, ma'. Am. Okay, I know.
Brandy
So now Heather. Heather. Meanwhile, since Heather got there later, she doesn't even realize that there was a whole fight at the beginning of the scene. She goes, wait a second. She's mad at you because you said you didn't trust her.
Heather
Yeah, I told her that.
Brandy
Well, we all said that. I mean, everyone knows don't trust Tamara, right? And she's like, well, I mean, look, because she can dish it, but she can't take it. And speaking of dishing, does anyone want to get some radishes from that charcuterie tray with me?
Kristen
No.
Brandy
Okay, that's fine.
Tamra
Is there.
Kristen
Where's the chocolate fountain to dip those into? Because I'm not really understanding the point.
Brandy
Is there mayo for these radishes?
Tamra
No.
Kristen
Okay, so Tamara's argument is, why are.
Tamra
They all sitting there with Gretchen, who's done 100 times worse than what Katie's done to any of them, and they're not having a problem with her. It's double standards. That's double standards. And it just makes me sick in this screw.
Kristen
So now Heather says this.
Brandy
I love this. So Tamara's in the kitchen. So Heather walks into, and Tam goes.
Tamra
Well, I'm gonna bake. Cakes. And this will be the last time I ever film after what you fucking did to me. Heather to Brown.
Kristen
Just me. What did I do?
Tamra
Yeah. Emily came here earlier to tell me all about what you did. Hello. That you don't trust me. I'm hurt. I'm hurt. I'm hurt. Hold on. I'm gonna walk up those head again. I'm gonna walk up a bitch. Bitch, bitch, bitch.
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Brandy
I love Tamra trying to pull this card of, like, I will make cakes and then I'm quitting. But then she tries to make Heather feel bad, and she. And she's going to come on with a strong offense, but Heather is like. Does not even flinch. She goes, really? Because I'm hurt by you. You blew me off in New Orleans, and I sat down with you at a shitty restaurant that I had to pay for both of us, and you weren't nice to me. And then Shannon just told me the other day that you were shit talking my career again. What a big fucking joke. No, no, not that kind of joke, Alfredo.
Tamra
I shit talk to you. Oh, I did. I shit talk to.
Kristen
Yes. That I'm in the Groundlings. She's not funny. Does she think she can be a comedian? Well, I've got Reba McEntire here on FaceTime to tell you exactly what kind of comedian I am.
Tamra
Take the blank phone, Heather.
Kristen
Reba. Reba. Alfredo, go get Reba. Go to her house and make sure she's breathing. Put a mirror under her nose and make sure she's still with us. Oh, God, please, please, Reba, still be with us.
Brandy
No, that was. It was a serious request, Alfredo. So Heather has now managed to turn this. Like, Tamara was ready to have a pity party and get mad at what Heather said at this. And Heather's like, ah, guess what? You're in the hot seat now because you talked about my comedy career.
Tamra
So Tam was like, well, let's ask all the kids if What? That's what I said. Because I don't remember saying that.
Brandy
Oh. So then Gina walks in and she's like, so, Gina, what happened when you guys were in Temecula and my career came up and the Groundlings came up? Did you just laugh the way the audiences laugh for me all the time because I'm a comic actress?
Kristen
Gina, just pause.
Brandy
I say, oh.
Kristen
She goes, what are you gonna laugh? Gina just. Well, like, we didn't know what it was. We didn't know what it was. Well, Shannon told me that it was a big joke. A big. A big joke.
Tamra
Well, Shannon tells her that we were.
Kristen
Making fun of her, and Gina goes, whoa, I didn't know that you were, like, a comedian, Heather. I mean, I've never seen this funny side from you before. Like, when did Heather become funny? Like, I just don't know. Like she told us. Who's telling Heather to? Bro, she's funny. Like the sales associate at burgers.
Brandy
Yeah, Gina got her funny line in for the season. I'm very funny. Knock, knock. Knock, knock.
Kristen
Alfred, knock at the door. God damn it. You see? I'm hilarious.
Brandy
It's very funny. Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kristen
Because Alfredo didn't kick it to the side like I told him to. You see.
Brandy
Alfredo, just for the record, you were slow with that knock, knock joke we did before.
Kristen
Thank you.
Brandy
Thank you for the retroactive one.
Kristen
Wait, Alfredo, why are you laughing? What do you mean? You're on with Reba. Show me Reba. Oh, she hung up. Okay, well, we will get her back on the phone. I'm glad she's still with us.
Brandy
So that Gina's like, well, I'm sorry. It's like, so what? What do you think acting is? Well, there's, like, different lanes, and to be honest, I don't know you as a comedian. Well, why don't you go watch anything I've ever done? For instance, a 1997 pilot I did for CBS that never made it to air. It's on YouTube somewhere, I'm sure.
Kristen
I mean, look, I think it's not nice for people to pretend Heather's never done anything. I mean, Heather has done things, but when she says things like, well, why don't you go watch anything I've ever done? Is anything even available? I don't think it is. I don't think I can just go on Peacock and watch anything that you've done. Except this. Like, I don't think it's available. It's like, in the vault somewhere.
Brandy
I. I actually do think Heather has a point in that, like, she's doing, like, it is funny that she's doing comedy, because, like, we just don't think of Heather Debo as comedy, but as. As her friends, they should be supportive, but instead, they just like on her, which is really mean. I mean, we're allowed to on her, but you guys are ostensibly her friends, and you guys get free meals off of her, so you should be supporting whatever comedy career she's pursuing.
Kristen
Yeah. So she's like, wow. So, Gina, you're my close friend, and you have no idea that I was a sitcom actress for years. And then we cut to Shannon outside. She's. Oh, well, I guess I'm the asshole because I brought it up, but everyone in there is talking about it, so.
Tamra
I guess it's my fault now. Okay.
Kristen
Okay, well, it's not Your fault, because you did bring it up, and you did bring it up in a disparaging way. Like, oh, did you hear that? Heather's doing a comedy.
Brandy
So Gina's like, well, I'm sure you were very, very funny when you were on all those sitcoms in 1994, but I'm sure you were. But, like, I was in, like, fourth grade. Listen, ma', am, you cannot come on here and talk about your love of 98 degrees because you're an elder millennial, and then you're gonna like on someone else for also having something that was exciting for them in the 90s.
Kristen
Yeah.
Brandy
Guess what? I'm coming for you too, Gina.
Kristen
It's also shitty with Gina's, like, constant age shaming. Like, oh, like, I was so young. Like, how would I know? Yeah, and then you were her age, and guess what you had accomplished by her age when she was doing that. Nothing. So shut the up, Gina. You know, don't make me stand up for Heather Dubro.
Brandy
So this pendulum swings real quick over here. Okay?
Kristen
Come on. So Gina's like, whoa, I just don't find you not funny. Okay? Another's like, oh, oh, really? And then, Emily, you want to make fun of me as an athlete? That is funny. And Gina's like.
Brandy
Because she's basically saying, like, she means, like, look, you want to make fun of me as an athlete? Fine. That's funny. That's fine. But, like, I'm a. Oh, iconic actress. You can't make fun of me for that.
Kristen
Yeah. So she's like, okay, then you need to write down all the rules in Heather, okay, For us, like, what's funny? Oh, no, it's not a rule. Because if I slightly go out of bounds, and that's the end of the world. I can't even tell somebody pursuing comedy that they're not funny without them getting offended anymore. Come on.
Brandy
Should we flash back to the season where Gina decided to launch a skincare company and Shannon was like, oh, I didn't know she was into business. She was like, oh, my God.
Tamra
How could you not be supportive of me?
Kristen
How dare you disparage my company?
Brandy
Wasn't that a thing?
Kristen
Which is gone now, by the way.
Brandy
Carabella. More like caraba. Bye. Hey.
Kristen
Thank you, Alfredo. Yes, thank you for that. Well, maybe it's not gone. I don't know. But we never hear about it anymore. So Gina is now Gina's the offended one, which is the show. So now Gina's the offended one, and she's like, yeah, like, Tamara could tell you to off all day long. But I slightly go out of the rules, and if that's not okay. No, Gina and I get the thing. Things like, I get it. There's no standards. Oh, so you're so afraid of confrontation, but not with me, Heather. You're like a random one with everybody, but not for me. All right?
Brandy
Really, I'm not afraid of confrontation. You just think I was born with claw hands. These were evolved from confrontations. Okay? You can only swing your fingers through the air so many times before they evolve into a tiny little claw.
Kristen
But you're not. You're not afraid of it with me, but you're afraid of it with everyone else. And she goes, no, I'm not afraid of it with anyone. Well, that's how I feel. Well, how you feel this.
Brandy
Gina is like, Gina doing this thing of, like, I can never say one wrong thing. It's because you pretend like you were someone's friend and that you're supportive, and then you say shitty things and people get really mad at that because it feels more duplicitous. As opposed to Tamara, who. They just know who Tamara is, you know?
Kristen
Yeah, Gina's an. She always. She's just not a good friend on this show. She's not a good friend anyone. She's done this to Emily, too. She's just not a very nice friend, you know? So it's like whenever she starts and she does the same thing that everybody else does whenever she's called out, instead of just saying sorry, she's like, no, you're not funny. Why am I the mean one? Like that. You're a victim. So Heather's like, well, you were pissed at Tamara when we were in New Orleans. I'm the only one that sat down with Tamara when we came back and said, my father was mean in restaurants.
Brandy
Like, oh, my God. Like, oh, my God. Like, all these were also laughing at you and your lack of comedic ability. Like, this is like, oh, I feel bad for myself.
Kristen
So now they go off to talk on the side. So Tamara's loving this, you know, because she got another fight started and so now it's not all about her. So she's smiling now.
Tamra
She's like, guess we gotta decorate the cake.
Kristen
So Jen's like, wow, you know what? I just. I don't really view Heather as a stand up comedian or whatever it's called.
Heather
I just. I'm sorry.
Brandy
I just love, like the once per season episode where they do question Heather's career. Like, it's just been going on for so Many years. And every time it happens, it's just the funniest thing. Even Jen is like, I just don't see her as a stand up comedian. It's like, what?
Tamra
Don't tell her that. Be quiet.
Brandy
Well, I told her that yesterday.
Kristen
Yeah, but I mean, like, Jen, you were teaching Pilates classes in a parking lot. I mean, come on. You know, it's like, we could. I guess everyone has an opinion, but it's just like sometimes coming from some of these people, it's like, just look at your own life, you know?
Brandy
I think that's the thing. Yeah. None of us see Heather as a. As like, lady of comedy. But at the same time, I'm also gonna, like, oddly defend her decision to go down this wacky route for herself. Because actually, when she said it, like, when Heather says that she's a comedic actress, I was like, actually, if you think about it, that is. That's. That's what she does. She just does sitcoms. She does sitcoms all the time. But that's. And isn't that so great? Isn't that so beautiful that.
Kristen
That, yeah, actually in the room is.
Brandy
So serious in a ground class.
Kristen
Are probably really impressed with her because that's the goal is to go do sitcoms and be on TV and stuff. And also, improv isn't necessarily for the most hilarious. You don't have to be hilarious to do it. There's a whole bunch of stuff that goes into it. It's like teamwork and all this other stuff that doesn't ne. It's not like she's getting up there and doing standup. I mean, that would be different if Heather got up and was doing like the Reza storyline from Shaw where he's.
Heather
Like, I'm a standup comedian now.
Kristen
Whoa.
Heather
Have you ever seen Asians Drive?
Kristen
You know, like that where you're like, oh, my God, please. No. But I don't know. Cut her a break, ladies.
Brandy
Yeah, so now she's hilarious.
Kristen
And if I had known this at the time, I would have been at that show.
Brandy
I'm telling you that I would have been 100%. Like I said, I love this. I. I just love this episode because I'm like bouncing back and forth between whose side I'm on, like, so quickly. And I love when that happens. So Heather is now sitting with Gina to try to like, she's gonna do the. It's like in that movie Philadelphia. It's like, explain this to me. Like, I'm a six year old. She's like, let me explain to you acting. Okay. I have put my shit aside to raise my family. And I'm now in a space, a very large space with views of all across Los Angeles, where I'm like, I'm back. I'm your Drake. And you know, you don't know shit about my career. Did you. Do you know that? I did stand up. Aha. I do do stand up. That's very brief.
Kristen
Gina just gives the most condescending answer. Oh, my God, Heather, that is so brave.
Brandy
Did you know that women be shopping? Women be shopping.
Kristen
And it's hard and to say you're just going to jump back in. Everyone in the class is 25 years and is terrifying. And I have self doubt. Am I still talented? Can I still do this? Why hasn't Reba called me back? Is there a place for me out there?
Brandy
Does anyone know? Jane leaves phone number. So Gina's like, well, you know, I don't know you as Heather Paige Kent, that actress who was doing all these comedy things and used to sing songs in the attic in her sorority house in Syracuse University. I mean, because your personality is not like that. And she's like, oh, so what you really want to do is surround yourself with people that emotionally support you or at least take your flatware to Nobu. And I really thought Gina was that person on both fronts, but I was wrong.
Tamra
Wrong.
Kristen
No, I'm not saying you're humorless at all. Like, I support you. I support you. I'm proud of you, my friend, for doing these amazing things. I just do charge for those things. Do people have to pay for that?
Brandy
Well, I'm. I'm sorry that you think I'm so humorless. Hey, stop that.
Kristen
So now we see Shannon just watching all of this, and Tamara's like, I'm.
Tamra
Just gonna decorate these cakes because no one can stop fighting.
Kristen
So gluten free lady is like, okay, here's how we do it. Here's how we decorate a cake. And Emily's, of course, eating all the buttercream. And. And Shannon's just looking around like, are we gonna actually have to do this? Then we go back to Gina and Heather and they apologize and make. Or Gina apologizes and they make up. Gina's like, yeah, Heather's very funny. Okay, I was wrong. She's my funny friend. But don't put me on a lie detector test and ask me, okay, she's my funny friend.
Brandy
And Heather does get one more lick. And she goes, and by the way, I had to audition and I got in, so just put that Feather in your cap. Oh, I forgot you had to return your cap. You saw that scene earlier today. So they are back in the kitchen and now it's like wacky cake decorating. Make the cake. And Shannon's like, well, I'm, I'm not really a baker.
Tamra
I'm.
Brandy
I'm more of a chef. And then they just do a quick cut too.
Tamra
It's salmon with cream cheese. Right, everyone?
Kristen
Oh, who doesn't want salmon on their cream cheese? So they're doing the cake thing where you splatter the icing down and you turn it around on the little thing and they're, you know, whatever, making fun of each other's joke, you know, making fun of each other's cakes. And we get Gina's like, oh, my God, like giving a balloon.
Brandy
We see their cakes. I think Gina's actually, Gina has the best cake. Like, I think by like a country mile. She. I think she actually makes cakes because.
Kristen
Gina's cake isn't even decorated on the side. It's just like she put some stuff on top.
Brandy
Yeah, but, but she did, but she did a clean frosting on the side.
Kristen
And I think that was the best.
Brandy
I would say Jen's is number two for me personally. She did a really good job with the, like the flowers all over the side. Yeah. Tamara's is the worst by far. It looks like it's bleeding. It literally looks like it's Amityville horror. Like the walls are bleeding out of her cake.
Kristen
It does look kind of like a circus tent that is.
Brandy
Yeah.
Kristen
Has been, you know, taken over by demons and now blood is coming out the walls. Yeah. Heather's doesn't look so bad. It's not very smooth, but it's kind of pretty ish her. Good. Honestly.
Brandy
Yeah. Heather's top design is like the ring of flowers is like very well done, but her sides are not smooth. And Shannon's is actually decent, but it's like a little lopsided. And like the top decoration could be like a little cleaner. It's very Shannon.
Tamra
It's very like, oh, I broke my readers. Guess I gotta decorate a cake without being able to see clearly.
Kristen
There's just little pieces of the broken cup from earlier in the day all over it.
Brandy
Yeah. And Emily's is just sort of sad and lumpy.
Kristen
So they're like, okay, judge our cakes. And the gluten free lady's like, no, I'm not going to do that.
Tamra
Okay.
Kristen
I will not be judging your cakes. So now miserable Emily is over there licking off a Spatula. And Tamara's like, okay, everybody.
Tamra
So after I left the tactical place, I was clearly upset, so I called Nelson, and I had a long, long conversation.
Kristen
And so Gina leaves to go to the bathroom, and.
Tamra
And she sent me this screenshot right here. Nelson's wife gave me the screenshot. Here it is. Jen. Jen Petranchi, following Nelson.
Kristen
And Heather's like, who? Jen goes, me? Wait a minute. Jennifer who? Me, Heather Petranti. I don't know her. It's me, Heather. Do you. Did you bring my car around? Alfredo, get our keys from this lady and give her a five.
Brandy
What? Tamara, like, why do you care about this? Why do you. Why do you have this, like, printout right here? And Shannon's like, oh, well, she just.
Tamra
Keeps coming up with the evidence. She just keeps coming up with the evidence.
Brandy
Just. I keep coming up with radishes. I'll have another one, please. Thank you.
Tamra
What? Just a father named Jen.
Kristen
Who's Jen? Because you guys have a situation, and I heard about it, and she said she. He was a producer or something like that. So I was looking into that. Jen was like, oh, here she goes. Evidence and videos.
Tamra
I can't. I cannot. I cannot.
Kristen
So now she's getting herself all worked up, and meanwhile, Jen is just playing dumb. She's doing the Jen thing where she's like, well, I mean, you know, I heard about the thing with you guys, and I don't know, I was just looking. It was just innocent Instagram things. But then it cuts to Janice. She goes, I was hoping that if I followed this guy and he saw my name, he would tell me some gossip. That's why. That's why I was doing it. Why do you think I was following him?
Brandy
Yeah, she's literally just like, yeah, I was being messy, you know? So then she's like, oh, yeah?
Tamra
Well, why do you feel the need at 5:22 to follow him?
Brandy
Jen's like. Like, you know the time. That's crazy. You're so psychotic. The way you're following, the way I'm being messy. So then they go outside again. They've been going in and out of this house the entire time. And Jen's like, this is nuts. I want to move forward. But then you do. Like, this just, like, bugs me so much. Like, how are we supposed to move forward if I can't look up on you and you don't look up on me at the same time?
Kristen
So Shanna's like, well, why did you follow him? Because I want. I want to know who we're Talking about, that's all. Yeah, but can't you look without following? Following? Why follow? I know everything that Malik's doing. I don't follow her on Instagram. I'm not a loser. Well, I don't know. I just followed him. It's a little messy, John. It is a little messy. Okay, she says as a Manila. I know, but chucks out of her purse with information on Katie's whole backstory.
Brandy
I know, exactly. Guys, please stop talking about Dawson's tattoo. He's really proud of it.
Heather
No, your behavior is messy. That's what I'm talking about.
Brandy
So now Heather goes inside, back into the kitchen where Tamara is, and Heather's like, well, I don't know why she followed her. I mean, who cares if a maid follows some singer? Like, everyone's got fans, right? No big deal. I just told her that she was being super shady.
Tamra
Well, she went after me like. Like, oh, I don't know. Heather. You know what, Heather? I'm just, like, done. I'm done. I'm done with the show. I'm quitting again. I can't take it. She's gonna quit again. Wow. What? I'm surprised she's gonna quit again. That's like me saying, I'm gonna quit tortilla chips. Good luck, lady.
Kristen
And then they come out with lime flavored.
Tamra
Spoiled again. Foiled again. I thought we were close. If you just say that at a fear to dad, it deserves me so bad. I'm gonna quit again. I'm gonna quit again.
Kristen
She's like, I don't trust you with my feelings. Yes. And then Tamara, like, just stops pretending to cry, and there's no tears there. And she goes, you can't trust me. Like, my feelings were hurt, too, and we should be able to talk. But you don't want to hear what I have to say.
Tamra
No, you don't want to hear what I have to say.
Kristen
No, I heard what you have to say.
Tamra
I heard what you had to say.
Kristen
No, you didn't. Then we'll. We'll just not agree.
Tamra
You were very aggressive with me when I said that. You were so aggressive.
Brandy
It's called comic timing. I am learning it in the Groundlings. It was comedy, not aggression.
Tamra
But it's the most time in my fucking life. I know somebody who's got cancer. How dare you, Heather? How dare you?
Brandy
So then Heather's like, I don't agree that I was aggressive with you, okay? I sat down with you. I tried to tell you this thing about my dad. It was a piece of storyline for me. I was starting my story. It was the first beat, and you were supposed to. Yes, and that's improv talk. And you said, no, but. And I didn't appreciate that you did not want to listen to a story about how my dad screamed in a restaurant one time.
Tamra
You just don't like me, Heather. You just don't like me.
Kristen
Sick. That is so rid. Well, that is so sick. That is so unto.
Brandy
Yes, and yes, and I don't like you. Yes, and I'm disgusted by you. See, it's a full concept.
Tamra
You proved it out for Navigate.
Brandy
Tamara.
Kristen
So she drops it and drops her fake tears again. She's like, I'm done. She gets her drink and storms up.
Tamra
I'm going up the stairs now. It's. It.
Kristen
So the producer.
Brandy
The producer is like, have you ever given these women any reason not to trust you? And Tamara's like, I mean, I'm not gonna answer that.
Tamra
It just makes me sad. I know I'm not perfect.
Kristen
Oh, typical Bravo narc thing working perfect.
Tamra
I'm so sorry. I'm not perfect, everybody. I know I'm a good person. I'm not a liar. I'm not a cheater. So for them to say that they don't trust me, that feels like an attack on my character, and it makes me just want to shut down. You might as well call me the U.S. government.
Kristen
Yeah, just do it already. Stop threatening us. So Heather rejoins the group, and they're all like, God, let's just go. Because Tamara's up there having another fit. She's climbed up the stairs for the third time in the episode and quit for the third time. They're just like, oh, God. And Shannon's like, wait, we're taking the cake, right?
Brandy
Oh, I mean, I. I didn't want to. I just wanted to take it to look at it. I wasn't. How was I gonna eat it? So now Heather and Emily are talking, and. And. And Heather. Tamara comes back in, and Heather's like, do you need someone help cleaning up? And by help, I mean, do you need to hire some help? Because I'm not gonna help.
Tamra
No, I'm good.
Kristen
You come watch her clean up. He can't work for you. I'm so sorry. But he can watch. Just kind of. Just kind of look at her. Shadily, what are you doing over there on your phone? Is that Reba again? Give me your phone. She hung up again. I'm starting to feel like this is on purpose.
Brandy
Do you need us to epoxy These items together. Oh, they're not broken. That's just how they look normally. Oh, okay.
Tamra
You guys are so mean. You guys are so mean. Everybody sent me to me. She's good at. Yeah, so everybody hates me. She's good at. She's having great season, everybody. Because I'm not gonna be filming. I need to have a great time. Except for next week when I film with Katie. And then every other episode after this. You'll never see me again.
Brandy
Well, in the backyard, meanwhile, like, Shannon, they're, like, eating cookies, and Shannon's like, man, this is. This is a lovely cookie. I mean, it's.
Kristen
It's.
Brandy
It's a little dry. It's.
Tamra
It's.
Brandy
Maybe it was. Tasted great at first and then a little disappointing as it. The worst. It's.
Kristen
No. These need milk.
Brandy
It sort of reminds me of John Jansen. So charming and appealing at first, but in the end, somehow you owe this cookie money.
Tamra
I don't get it. I don't get it.
Kristen
Oh, wait a second. Hold on a second. Hello, clinic? It's me again. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I've got a dry cook. Of course, of course. Mayo. These cookies need mayo.
Brandy
I want to fix it. So, Tamara.
Kristen
Wait a minute. I'm sorry. Did you just call the heyo, Clinic?
Brandy
So Tamara is still going off on Heather.
Tamra
She's like, oh, Heather, thank you for being a friend. Thank you for. For. For every. Thank you for being a friend. Thank you for driving up the hill and back again. You hide it too. You're a pal. And I'm not confident.
Brandy
Are you? Why are you seeing the Golden Girls theme? Are you trying to trigger me? Because Reba McIntyre just sang that at the Emmys. That is not nice, Tamara. Not nice at all.
Kristen
So Heather tells everybody that she just quit again. And we hear the door slam upstairs. Tamara locks herself barricades herself in a room, and Shannon goes, oh, and I'm profess. I'm unprofessional.
Tamra
That is. Get that camera the fuck out of my face. I'm not talking.
Kristen
Yeah, I'm the unprofessional one, huh? So they all leave, and Gina's like, wait a minute, we're leaving the cake. Oh, my God, my cake. My cake. And they all leave their cakes.
Brandy
Of course they did. Well, they were gluten free. Let's be honest.
Kristen
Yeah, they're like, no appreciation for Lucy's art. And that brings us to the end of Real Housewives of Orange County.
Brandy
Thanks, everyone, for being here. What a fabulous time and we will catch you on the next episode. Bye, everyone.
Kristen
Bye.
Brandy
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Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: October 3, 2025
In this raucous second part of their RHOC S19E13 recap, Ben and Ronnie revel in the messy hilarity of the latest Real Housewives of Orange County episode. The podcasters break down each confrontation, alliance, and petty squabble, with their signature blend of both sharp-tongued ridicule and winking affection. This episode centers around a chaotic cake-decorating party at Tamra’s house, which quickly devolves into accusations about trust, comedic talent, and the ever-shifting housewife alliances.
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| Time | Segment | |----------|--------------------------------------------------| | 03:03 | Housewives arrive; Emily starts drama | | 06:41 | Emily’s accountability strategy and hypocrisy | | 09:49 | Tamra’s meltdown—goes upstairs | | 14:01 | Gossip receipts; Tamra’s “I have evidence” spiel | | 18:11 | Tamra plots with Katie; social media analysis | | 24:11 | Heather vs. Tamra: comedy career fight | | 29:24 | Gina age-shames Heather; hosts defend Heather | | 37:00 | Cake-judging; visual metaphors for RHOC cast | | 40:05 | Tamra presents Instagram “evidence” on Jen | | 43:02 | Tamra "quits" repeatedly; hosts call her bluff | | 45:56 | Tamra plays victim; "I'm not perfect" | | 46:18 | Group tiredness; cake party wraps up |
Ben and Ronnie stay true to their signature—relentlessly sarcastic, quick-witted, and (lovingly) biting toward the Housewives, while regularly turning the lens on themselves and fellow fans. Their mocking but affectionate tone is peppered with inside Bravo jokes, running gags about improv, and frequent references to past seasons and lesser Bravo shows.
If you missed the episode, this recap will clue you in to every major shade, every shifting alliance, and all the most laughable moments. The main themes: trust issues, the farcical nature of accountability among Housewives, the hazards of pursuing a comedy career on Bravo, and the simple, destructive beauty of a group event devolving into multiple, overlapping beefs. All set in the frosting-dusted chaos of a cake-decorating party, RHOC-style.
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