#3024 RHOP S10E01 Part 1: Breath of the Wild

Summary

Watch What Crappens #3024: RHOP S10E01, Part 1 “Breath of the Wild”

Overview

In this episode, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam revel in the return of “The Real Housewives of Potomac” for its landmark Season 10 premiere. The guys celebrate that the “Bravo drought is over,” with four Housewives franchises on air at once, and dive headfirst into the delicious drama, character shifts, and signature Potomac shadiness of the S10 opener—particularly focusing on personnel changes, the infamous Karen Huger jail storyline, new cast members, and a preview of wild accusations to come.

Staying true to form, the hosts mix biting humor, affectionate mockery, and detailed analysis, ensuring even those not tuned in to Potomac can enjoy a hilarious and thorough breakdown.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Potomac is Back—and So Is Bravo’s A-Game

• [03:58] Ben: “Potomac is back... I think we can finally say that the Bravo drought is over. We have four housewives airing at the same time, so we're in no place to be complaining.”
• The hosts agree: each current franchise, even Orange County (“a varsity team”), is bringing value—even if fans argue otherwise.
• [05:45] Ronnie: “As you get older, you learn to appreciate stuff. I’ll never stop loving these shows. I’m just glad to be fed.”

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2. Karen Huger’s Jail Saga—Potomac’s New Era Begins

• Episode opens with Karen’s arrest and her mysterious, offscreen exit from jail ([06:02], [18:33]).
• [10:38] Ronnie: “Karen’s Instagram, her last post is from 41 weeks ago… That’s not normal!” The hosts speculate whether she's plotting a big Bravo return, is self-conscious post-jail, or just getting a “tune-up.”
• [11:35] Ben: “She’s cocooning and gonna emerge beautifully... She wants to do this right.”
• Hosts mourn Karen’s absence, laughing about her future “grand return”—and the enduring power of the Karen–Giselle frenemy dynamic:
  • [20:54] Ben: “The fact that [Gizelle] is still dunking on Karen while she's in jail is so this show.”

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3. Potomac’s Cast Shake-Up: Saying Goodbye to Mia, Welcoming Stacey and Angel

• Mia’s exit is a blessing:
  • [06:58] Ben: “I was surprised how much I felt the show was better without Mia… She became a cancerous element.”
  • [07:19] Ronnie: “You just went too far with the making bullshit up.”
• Stacey’s ascension as House Liar:
  • [08:22] Ben: “With Stacey—it feels like her lying is innately part of her. Oddly enough, her lying is authentic.”
  • [09:29] Ronnie: “Someone who’s not trying to get attention: Karen! Why haven’t we heard anything from her... that’s not normal.”
  • The hosts agree Stacey’s sanctimonious lying is “objectively more entertaining” than Mia’s self-conscious bid for relevance ([07:41], [08:22]).
• Angel, a Karen-adjacent new housewife, and the ongoing evolution of boring Kierna:
  • [13:03] Ben: “We have a new Kierna… played by Kierna herself.”
  • [13:48] Ronnie: “Kierna coming at Wendy with nothing but conviction—respect.”

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4. Notable Early Episode Moments

• Burp-Gate:
  • [28:04] Ben: Stacey walks in to Giselle’s house, and a loud burp (possibly edited in!) signals that editors “may be ready to trash her this season.”
  • [29:29] Ronnie: “They really hate Stacey this season. The editors even do.”
• “Dragon Breath” — Potomac’s Newest Shade Weapon
  • [16:04] Ben: “I think the reason the ‘bad breath’ shade is sticking is because we can all kind of tell that she has stinky breath.”
  • [16:44] Ronnie: “That’s just so mean. I think it’s better to say your husband’s cheating than to get out there that you stink.”
  • [16:09] Ben: “You hear the saliva in her mouth... it’s that dry stink. It’s not even shaming, I hope she gets it treated.”
  • The hosts banter whether you really can perceive bad breath through TV ([16:28–17:22]).

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5. The TJ Scandal: Did Stacey Pay Her Boyfriend to Be on RHOP?

• The group rehashes the S9 TJ drama and suit claims Stacey paid a man to be her on-screen love interest.

  • [26:15] Ben: “This guy’s just full of it. Are you more dominant or submissive in the bedroom? Just because I’m not sleeping with you…”

• [35:39] Ben: “For all the talk about the lawsuit… if TJ were suing Stacey, TMZ and Page Six would be all over it. Where are the receipts?”

• [36:14] Ronnie: “Even if he is suing her... it doesn't mean that she’s guilty. That's not how it works.”

• [39:07] Ben: “I loved [TJ] enough to step up with him when I wasn’t even legally divorced… Actually, 100%, you would do that.”

  [41:29] Ronnie (confessional): "Wow, I'm being called out by the most boring person to ever walk this earth."
  [41:56] Ben: “Tell me one woman here who hasn’t been hurt by an OR5 actor. One. Just one person.”
  [42:36] Ronnie: “Accountability is what this group is all about, and you need to think about that.”
  [43:03] Ben: “Commercials. Here comes one right now.” (Commercial break signal.)

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6. Rumors, Receipts, and Conspiracy Theorizing

• [43:43–47:45]: Giselle and Ashley reveal they met an “actress” at an LA luncheon who allegedly had literal screenshots of the lawsuit and supposed “50% RHOP check” agreement between Stacey and TJ.
• [47:24] Ronnie: “A first season on Bravo, you make $5. So it might’ve been a tiny amount... they make you prove yourself for a couple years.”
• [48:14] Ben: “Something’s not adding up. I believe Giselle/Ashley met this woman. But… who is screenshotting this? Why wouldn’t she send them the doc?”
• [48:33] Ben: “This is like Lisa Barlow dismissed vs. denied... Legal Zoom, for all we know.”

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7. Slice-of-Life: Cast Check-Ins

• Wendy & Eddie: Wendy wants a massive marble fireplace—[49:50] fireplace drama—kids shade her lack of “actual” doctorate ([64:57] “She is a doctor!”).

• Giselle: Titty-centric lunch with Cal ([50:19] “God gave me these titties, and God wants me to show them.”)

• Ashley: Cleans out her closet with friends, cracks about post-divorce life and $ ([50:53–69:35]), “officially divorced: Ashley Darby cashes in with Michael's $20mil net worth.”

• Stacey & Temo/Timo: Unspecified international cuisine date, awkwardly dancing around their rekindled relationship and (possibly) hiding it from daughter Arabella ([51:30–55:44]).

  [56:26] Ben: “Even though I burp in his face all day long... it feels good to be back together.”

• Kierna & Mom: Kierna’s “personality blooming,” therapist mom keeps it real:

  • [59:16] Ronnie: “One of her dark moments is when she wore polyester and his company T-shirt. That was one of my dark moments with Kierna.”

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8. Ashley’s Bloom Ball: Potomac Invitation Tradition

• [67:48–74:39] “Second Bloom Ball” (divorce party): Proper invitation, flowers, Cinderella theme, men in costume—hosts mock Ashley’s invented traditions and question thematic logic.

  [74:09] Ronnie: “If there’s no clown, we’re just going to keep this real short... No mime, no thank you, Ashley.”

• [71:23] Disagreement: Is Stacey’s dress hideous or beautiful? Ben: awful pattern; Ronnie: “a very pretty dress.”

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9. Classic Potomac Shade & Housewives Hypocrisy

• Critique of Giselle’s hypocrisy for calling out others’ lies ([17:38]):

  • [17:38] Ronnie: “What is Giselle getting mad at people lying for? You’ve had entire storylines where you’ve hired boyfriends… That was kind of her thing.”

• Karen/Giselle perennial frenemy dynamic is the secret sauce:

  • [20:54] Ben: “Few shows have a dynamic as special as the frenemy-ness of Karen and Giselle.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the “Bravo Drought” Ending

  [03:58] Ben: “Potomac is back. …the Bravo drought is over.”

• On Stacey’s Lying vs. Mia’s Lying

  [08:22] Ben: “With Stacey—it feels like her lying is innately part of her. Oddly enough, her lying is authentic.”

• On Burp-gate

  [28:04] Ben: “They could have just taken any burp and put it in there… they may be ready to trash her this season.”
  [29:29] Ronnie: “The editors even do. Let’s just get a shot of her knees while she burps really loudly.”

• On ‘Dragon Breath’ Insults

  [16:44] Ronnie: “I think it’s better to say your husband’s cheating than to get out there that you stink.”

• On Stacey–TJ Allegations

  [35:39] Ben: “For all the talk about the lawsuit… if TJ was suing Stacey, TMZ would be on top of that.” [36:14] Ronnie: “Even if he did it doesn’t mean she’s guilty.”

• On RHOP Pay

  [47:24] Ronnie: “A first season on Bravo, you make $5. …They make you prove yourself for a couple years.”

• On the Magic of Potomac

  [20:54] Ben: “There’s very few shows that have as special a dynamic as the frenemy ness of Karen and Giselle.”

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Timestamps of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Event | |-----------|---------------| | 03:58 | The “Bravo drought” ends; excitement for RHOP + all on air | | 06:02 | Potomac’s Jail Era: Karen’s “shoulder” exit, speculation | | 08:22 | Stacey’s “authentic lying” vs. Mia’s performative lies | | 13:48 | Kierna “personality blooming” and new/returning archetypes | | 16:04–17:22 | “Dragon breath” shade; burp debate; can you perceive bad breath? | | 18:33 | Episode opens: Karen’s arrest, “Grande Dame got out of jail” | | 26:15–27:10 | Flashbacks: Stacey & TJ, group’s skepticism, car copying accusations | | 28:04–29:29 | Burp-gate: Editors/villain setup for Stacey | | 35:39–39:51 | Recap: TJ lawsuit, lack of receipts, “where are the court docs?” | | 43:43–48:33 | Luncheon “actress” brings “receipts,” confusion about the source, 50% pay rumor | | 49:50–66:43 | Housewives as entrepreneurs/moms: Wendy’s fireplace, Ashley’s divorce haul, Stacey’s secret rekindling, Kierna’s mom’s advice | | 67:48–74:39 | Ashley’s “second bloom ball” — Potomac invitation/party tradition/laughs | | 74:39–75:10 | Cinderella party confusion; Potomac’s embrace of vague/chaotic themes |

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Tone and Banter Highlights

• Affectionate mockery: Ben and Ronnie are clearly superfans, simultaneously delighted by and exasperated with Potomac’s high-octane nonsense (“I’m just glad to be fed.”)
• Biting, gay Bestie humor: Potomac’s unique style, shade, and female beauty (esp. Kierna and her mom) get over-the-top reverence.
• Insider snark: Potomac’s traditions, Housewives’ casting, Bravo salaries, and waning interest in canonical Housewives all get roasted.
• Disagreement: The “Moroccan vs. Indian” restaurant debate, and whether you can sense “bad breath” from television, provide funny meta detours.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• RHOP S10 kicks off with Karen Huger’s incarceration, new cast energy, and rumors galore.
• Mia’s gone (good riddance), Stacey steps into her “liar” shoes (to glorious, self-righteous effect), and “dragon breath” becomes the franchise’s new insult of choice.
• The episode is jam-packed: legal drama, emotional shade, family check-ins, wild parties, and a cast (and hosts) in midseason shade-throwing form.
• Potomac, as ever, is “firing on all cylinders”—and “Watch What Crappens” remains the ideal, comedy-tinged lens through which to view the chaos.

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Closing Quote

[20:54] Ben: “There’s very few shows that have as special a dynamic as the frenemy-ness of Karen and Giselle.”
[18:33] “The Grande Dame got out of jail.”

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For Part 2 of the recap, look for the episode titled “Part Two.”

Transcript

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Learn [e-mail] or contact your travel advisor. Who cares what happens when there's so much happen? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Well, hello and welcome to Watch Watch Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me today on this very festive Monday is the one, the only, the beautiful and gorgeous Ronnie Caram. Hi, Ronnie.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, hello, Vin. How are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

How was. How's it going over there in the Valley?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, everything's great. It's chilly over here. Very sorry. I've got my little teddy bear, my little teddy bear hoodie on and, you know, it's ready to talk some Real Housewives of Pomi tomes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, sorry that it's so cold over there. I'm in my T shirt and shorts over here in Hollywood where it's like 30 degrees warmer. I guess I am excited, too, because Potomac is back. And it also means, I think we can finally say that the Bravo drought is over. We have four housewives airing at the same time, so we're in no place to be complaining about a drought. We've got four, and I would argue that three are, like varsity level housewives. And I think. I think Orange county is, like, pretty varsity to me. It's varsity. I would. I would actually say all four are.

[Ronnie Caram]

Varsity, but I'm not saying Orange County's having a good year.

[Ben Mandelker]

Some people are really hating on Orange County. They are not. They feel like it's too toxic. I personally think it's, like, great. I think it's hilarious.

[Ronnie Caram]

Toxic it's been. I mean, look at the stuff they're talking about. This 13 years ago, that was toxic. This is just a bunch of people fighting a stupid case. It's like, my favorite thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think anytime there's a season where you're getting emotionally invested, where you're. Where you're like, team so and so, where you're, like, angry at other people on the show, like, you really feel the villainy, I think those are usually like, that's what I would call a good season. And those are often the seasons where people call for blood and, like, get people fired. And have I said on this podcast it's time for Emily and Gina to go? Yes, but let's also remember, like, that is also the mark of a good season that you get so emotional that you call for those things. The bad season is where you just don't care, because, as they say, the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. So.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, Emily and Jean are outliers, though, because we've been calling for them to get fired since their first seasons, and those were bad seasons. Although, yeah, we even love those seasons. I mean, we even love the COVID season, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

I love the COVID season. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know anything.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think as you get older, you just learn to appreciate stuff. And I'm. I'm so glad Housewives are even still on. And I get to watch people fighting over it, like, who's invited where? I think it's the funniest shit. I will never stop loving these shows. And so, you know what? I'm just glad to be here. I'm just glad to be fed.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I am, too. So today we are going to be fed with cherry blossoms from Potomac, because Potomac is back. It's our first non Karen Huger episode. Although technically, Karen does make an appearance. At least her shoulder does, as she emerges from jail. But in the wake of her being incarcerated, we now have. We now have two new ladies, and we also don't have Mia. And I have to say, Ronnie, I was. I was actually surprised how much I felt the show was better without Mia. When Mia came along on the show, she was this, like, you know, lot. Basically a liar. And, like, we knew she was a liar. And it was like, to me, it was, like, very funny at first, but I think as the seasons went on, we really, like, it became evident, like, everyone in the audience, that Mia's just, like. She just says and does things purely for, like, storyline and that, like, starts to really wear thin and, like, the stuff with her and Gordon was kind of wild to watch, and it was, like, dark and oddly fascinating, but, like, she's. She's sort of like a. Like a. Like a cancerous element on these sort of shows. And I think it's, like, good that she's gone. What do you think?

[Ronnie Caram]

I did not mind it, that's for sure. I. You know, I agree. She just went too far in her.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like a reality star in her.

[Ronnie Caram]

You Know, see, she just went too far with the making bullshit up. But I. I actually had the thought last night. Were they thinking, we can only have one liar at a time? Because now we have Stacy, who's, like, in a different league. Like, she's a different kind of liar.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, like, she'. Like.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, it's pretty clear that she's lying at this point, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Well, she's sanctimonious liar, which is way more entertaining to me than, like, trashy trying to make a splash on reality tv. Liar. And that we get these. We get these housewives.

[Ronnie Caram]

Right. You know, every now and then, yeah, she's lying about stuff, but it's like, well, you know, maybe I didn't divorce my husband, but why is that your business? I just don't. It's impro. It's improper to talk about it. You know, she's got that kind of attitude where me is just, yeah, I'm Mary and Eminem, because, you know, I love their commercials or whatever. You know, whatever her. That was such a random thing to say, but, you know, me would just come up with a random shit to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but like, she was saying. It almost felt like she was saying it to be relevant, to start a fight so that way she could get screen time. And, like, for when Stacy lies, it feels like it's more innately part of her, like, who she is in a way that's more appealing. It's. Oddly enough, her lying is authentic. And whereas, you know, you get these people that come through. You get, like, the Brandi Glanville, you get the Noelle Burgeoners or whatever, and you get, like, Mia. And there's, like, others who come through, and they are provocative and they're entertaining, but ultimately, they are catering their personality to, like, they're. They're basically going to be outrageous because that's going to get the cameras on them, you know, in a way. And so I think, like, when you have someone who's just like, literally someone like Stacy who is so blatantly lying but, like, is so huffy about it, like, that is so much more entertaining to me than Mia being, like, Jacqueline.

[Ashley Darby]

And I, like, made out in the shower. No, we actually didn't make out in the shower. Well, that's because she was making out with Gordon. No, I said that I was making it with Gordon. Jacqueline was watching.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, I don't. It's like. It's like, I don't care. You're just trying to get some sort of attention right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

Here's what I'm worried about. Someone who's not trying to get attention, and that is Ms. Karen Huger herself. I'm on her Instagram. Cause I'm like, well, she's been out for a while.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why don't we know she's got attention? She's not ready for attention.

[Ronnie Caram]

Why don't we know what is going on with Karen? Why haven't we heard anything? I haven't seen any interviews. Like, oh, Jet Prison. No, I did it and I'm fine. Better than ever. I've got a nine bar candle. You know, just little prison bars that you light on fire. The candle. But I'm like, what happened to her? And surely even if she hasn't done any press, surely she's posting home goods finds on her Instagram. But no, I came to her Instagram, which, by the way, thanks, Facetune. Facetune. Can you just make Facetune real? Because I would totally subscribe if I could do this to myself. But anyway, her Instagram, her last post is from 41 weeks ago, December 17, 2024. She's not even posting on Instagram. What happened to her in jail? Because that's not normal for someone like Karen to just not be posting. It's not normal.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, maybe. Maybe what's happening is maybe she's holding out for some sort of exclusive thing. Maybe she's working with Bravo on some sort of debut. Maybe she's gonna make her grand debut at Bravo.

[Ronnie Caram]

Con.

[Ben Mandelker]

Emphasis on con. Actually, no, she didn't con anyone. She just drove drunk. Sorry, I'm just so used to people in Bravo going to jail for Con.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bravo, Dewey.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe she's honestly, like, this is not coming from like, a catty place. Maybe she's like, unhappy with how she looks after jail. Maybe she'd like. Maybe she gained some weight. Maybe she wants to work a little bit of it off because she's a real housewife. Maybe she wants to get like a little bit of a nip and tuck because she wasn't able to do her skin care. Like, I would not be surprised if she's like, this car needs to go to the shop now. And, you know, I'll let you. Like, we'll let you know it'll be ready at 2pm and you're looking at your watch. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Straight from the county jail to the doctor and was like, nip it. That's a good point, actually.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe that is like, it's not like I kind of. I'm not worried. I think she's. She's she's going into her, like, cocoon, and she's gonna emerge beautifully. Like, she's. I think. And I think she wants to do this right. She's like, let me get my.

[Ashley Darby]

All my ducks in a row. Ray, get the ducks from the backyard.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I think she's going to. She's.

[Ronnie Caram]

Jewel emerged out of, like, a giant flower today. We didn't see any ducks. We didn't see. Which is what. You know, it's a question I have for Potomac. Are you paying attention? Is anybody. How could you not put in the deer and the ducks like the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello. I know it's a little wild. However, we did get a wonderful new fancy British accent, which sort of implies ducks and deer. So I really appreciated that, like, as that lady.

[Ronnie Caram]

Fantastic, too. Her voice is just fantastic. I love her whole thing. I feel like she's faking it. Even though she showed pictures of herself growing up in London and with Rolls Royces and all of that stuff. I don't think she's faking the money part, but the accent just sounds so crazy, and I love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Top five housewife of all time for me. I was like, wow, that accent. All right. She's probably up there with, like, Bethany Frankel.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's interesting how they're kind of recasting because they obviously got a Karen type, right? I mean, she's more probably legit than Karen as far as the. She probably is like a grand dad. She's a princess or something. So she's definitely got that stuff. But you've got the new Karen and then you've got the new MIA who's, you know, the liar. She's a second season, though, Stacy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, we have a new Kierna who is played by Kierna herself. Kieran is, like, decided. Kierna, like, spent a whole season sort of on the sidelines like Karena and doing nothing. And I think that she probably heard from us and the audience, not just us meaning, like, us as the audience from everyone being like, who is like, why is Karen on this show? She's a friend of at best. She probably got a lot of flack from it. And she decided, you know what? It's time for me. I'm going to. I'm going to dump Toad of Frog and Toad and move into a new condo. And I'm going to, like, actually make an attempt to be a real housewife. And she came out, like, with personality, and she was central on the episode and she was funny.

[Ronnie Caram]

Fights over nothing, which I loved. You know, she's Coming at Wendy with absolutely nothing and 100% conviction, which, you know, I respect. Also the thing of not really breaking up with her boyfriend, just moving into a condo while they're shooting. Very funny.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought she said she broke up with him.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think she's just mo. I mean, I don't know. The way she said it was like she left him and now he's deciding to make an effort. I guess, like, she moved out, now he's making an effort.

[Ben Mandelker]

I took that to make an effort.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm going to stay with this person, but I don't want the others giving him shit. So I'm going to move into a condo.

[Ben Mandelker]

I blocked out the.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'll have my independent. I'll have my, like, independent woman storyline while I'm still dating the guy, which is very Stacey in a way, too. Like, how they're all kind of coming after her. So I love it. I mean, it was packed with housewives. Goodness. I'm not sure about the other newbie quite yet. I think I like her. Okay. I don't trust her because she's a friend of Kieran as. And I'm like, why would you let Kierna cast when she hasn't been the most interesting?

[Ben Mandelker]

Karen's still working on her casting. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, get one thing solid first. Like, you're supposed to cast off the strongest people. So that kind of worried me. But even though I like her, actually, she's just not the most fascinating.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I think Kieran. I think maybe this will be her, like, blossoming season. Like, she was so under the radar last season that, like, she's not really having a flower blooming. She's just having a personality flower blooming, which we always appreciate, too. It's so rare that that happens once. You know, usually if the personality is a dud, it's a dud. So I like that she is now showing more of who she is. I like the new woman. I. Angel. I just sort of like the way she was laughing about Stacy's breath. And, yeah, I think the chemistry is really.

[Ronnie Caram]

Why is the thing about Stacy's breath, like, the worst slander to me? I'm like, this is so. Because that woman used to walk around and now every question she's asked on the red carpet is going to be like, did you take a breath mint today? Or, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you can tell. Honestly, you can tell she has presence.

[Ronnie Caram]

With your dragon breath. You know, stuff like that. I don't. That's just so mean. I mean, I think it's better to say your husband's cheating on you than to just, like, get out there that you stink.

[Ben Mandelker]

I kind of. I think the reason why it's sticking is because, like, we can all kind of, like, tell that she has stinky breath.

[Ronnie Caram]

No. I don't know. Why.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why do you say that? Because there's a way. There's a way that you hear the saliva in her mouth. It's like that dry. Said that dry stink. And like, it's actually not even shaming. It's like, I actually hope that she can, you know, get it treated.

[Ronnie Caram]

I just don't understand how you can say, like, I can see that she has bad breath.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's crazy.

[Ronnie Caram]

You said it during our preview recap, too, and it stuck with me. What is that about a person, Ronnie?

[Ben Mandelker]

You just see things also about people that you shouldn't be able to see, but you see them, and you know that you see them. And this is something that I see.

[Ronnie Caram]

That they stink?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, just their breath. I can tell. I don't know why. I just can tell. And I love Stacey. I think Stacy is a great. Has been a fantastic casting choice. Like, I think it's. I think Stacy was actually exactly the person they needed to cast on the show last season to write the ship that this was going down. And Stacy is the exact. She has the exact personification of everything this show was about. And it's early, like, in its sort of, like, it's like, it's really strong run of a few seasons. And I think. I think, like, I'm so happy with Stacy, but I feel like I was able to sense that. What? As soon as they articulated it, I was like, yeah, I can see that. That's probably a true thing. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, anyway, I think it's, like, the worst slander that you can do to somebody. And you know what? I'm Stacy. I don't even care if she's lying. I mean, at this point, I do think she's lying about everything, except I don't know that she agreed to pay that man 50 of her money. I don't believe that. I still don't believe TJ but he.

[Ben Mandelker]

Does a bigger liar.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I do think that she's probably, you know, lying about everything else, but I don't even care that she's lying. I still really like her, and I'm on team her over everybody else. I mean, what is Giselle getting mad about people lying for? I mean, you've had entire storylines that you've hired boyfriends. We all know that Giselle has Brought boyfriends on this show that she wasn't really dating. I mean, that was kind of her thing for a while. Right. The criticism of Giselle was always that she was hiring people and faking boyfriends and all of this stuff. And then she had the thing with Candace's husband for a whole year where she's like, oh, he locked me in a hotel room. Well, she didn't say locked, but like he got me into a hotel room. Made me feel so uncomfortable. And this whole thing, I mean, come on now. But Giselle's hypocrisy is also another reason I love this show. So I don't know, it came back firing on all cylinders and I hope that it stays because it looks like it's going to be a really good season. I left my ass off watching this.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was, I was laughing as well. I, I thoroughly enjoyed it. So let's, let's dive into the episode. So it opens up and it says like it's September 2, 2025. Which by the way, that was like, that was like a month ago. Like literally they are so up to date. And we see, it's the Montgomery county central processing unit. And we see sort of like, like Karen's getting into her car. We don't really see her, but we hear her. We see like a shoulder and we hear her like she's crying and. And then we see like she's, she's going off and it's like, oh my God, the grande dame got out of jail. And then six months later, clips of news outlets, we start to see that she had to like serve. Actually, I think it was six months earlier she had to serve a year in jail. Yada, yada, yada. So essentially it's like, remember that. For people who have forgotten, remember Karen Hooker went to jail. So that's how we start. That's setting the tone for the season.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And so now we're at Giselle's house and she's putting together, you know, store bought donuts and stuff on it. This is a very, it's a very Giselle charcuterie, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's putting together a little charcuterie tray and waiting for people to come. And she just keeps telling herself, I might need some liquor while she waits. And then we see her feeling things. She feels, yeah, a lot of different emotions. I wish this weren't happening. I wish this weren't happening off camera because I would really love to see Karen crying on her way to jail.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do I want to see Karen in jail? Absolutely not. But do I want to make sure that we don't have a fifth dui? It's like, I'm just here to.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm just here to support Karen and remind you that this is her fifth dui.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like. Like what most people would say is, like, do I want her in jail? No. But do I hope that she addresses the, like, the root problems that got her into the situation? Do I want her to have help? Like, absolutely. Been said. She's like, do I want to have. Do I want to have 50? Why? That's right. There's been five. America, in case you forgot, this wasn't the first five DUIs I were to.

[Ronnie Caram]

Show Karen on my fingers how many DUIs she had, she would see ten fingers. That is how many DUI she has.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, the fact that she's still dunking on Karen while she's in jail is so this show. And this is why Giselle. I mean, and we know when Karen comes back, it'll be like, full throttle. Oh, my God. Like, there's very few shows that have as special a dynamic as the frenemy ness of Karen and Giselle.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And I also love that she keeps saying over and over, I need liquor. I need liquor. That's the whole thing, is her trying to decide how wasted she's gonna get while they're talking about how sad they are about Karen's dui. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

So Ashley comes. Ashley looks great. I love her new hair. And Giselle's like, we've had a crazy 72 hours. It's so intense. Karen's waking up in jail. That's where she's waking up. And now she goes in Gen pop. Wow. Gen pop.

[Ashley Darby]

Oh, I wonder if I should send her a gift basket of Uber cards. But I guess you won't really need them in there.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Giselle's like, whoa, is this like with murderers? Ah.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because I don't know. But I mean I want her to be secure. I want her to be like, is there like an elderly section? Her concern trolling is so top notch. Can we put her in fragile old people section? Literally every line.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, I'm so worried for Karen and her five DUIs. She should be in an elderly section of the jail. And Ashley's like, yeah, the AARP of the jail. So they've talked to Kay and Wendy and Stacy. Everybody's gonna get together to talk about Karen going to jail. So get out your donuts and your tequila because we're going to talk about Karen going to jail. I love this excuse for a get together. We just all need to get together because Karen's going to jail.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. So Ashley is saying how she. That she and Stacy recently got together with each other's kids. And she's like, yeah, I feel like.

[Ashley Darby]

Giving her an opportunity just to clear the air.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see flashbacks of Stacy and TJ last year and all the bullshit of that entire situation, which was off the charts, etc. I was like, you know, seeing TJ again, it's amazing how much of a visceral response I had against seeing him on my tv. I was like, oh, get him off, get him off. Just.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's so gross. And every line he has. I mean, are you some more dominant or submissive in the bedroom? Just because I'm not sleeping with you doesn't mean you're ever going to be more dominant than I am. And then I'm accusing her of paying him to be the love interest. And then clips of TJ saying, you know, she's paying me to do the show, man. You know she is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy's just full of. So Giselle's asking what. What Stacy said. And she's like, yeah, well, it's the same thing. She was like, ashley, you think I would really do that? And Giselle's like, and what did you say? Yeah. And they both laugh.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. She goes, well, Giselle says, I don't think Stacy's a bad person. No, but is she dubious? What is that? What does that mean, dubious? Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Wendy and Kieran arrive, and Kieran is like, your man.

[Ashley Darby]

She's out of the house before, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Wendy's like, well, I've been outside. And then we see. Go back to the reasonably shady event where Giselle wouldn't let her go inside. The way that they remember these details and is like, how Stacy wasn't allowed into use the bathroom. I'm not Stacy. I mean, Wendy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, my gosh. So good. So they're talking about TJ some more and how shady that is. And Wendy points out that Giselle has millions of mirrors. She's like, do you love yourself? There's a mirror in every corner. And Giselle's like, okay, well, I Think Stacy's here and why did she buy a car just like yours? Like, why would she do that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Da.

[Ronnie Caram]

Then we see that Stacy did in fact buy a twin car.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Which is funny. But like, let's be honest, the Real Housewives have like, they have like a selection of three different cars that they all drive. It's always going to be someone's. There's going to be overlap inevitably.

[Ronnie Caram]

This was an Audi, Right. Usually housewives, Rovers, like Range Rover is the classic, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

The classic, yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Big range.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. This was white Audi. Double white Audi on this episode. So Ashley is like, no, it's her loaner car.

[Ashley Darby]

She apparently is having a custom made one.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Stacy gets out of her car and then we just see her feet. But then she just burps. She goes. She burps, excuse me. Which made me laugh because, like over the summer I had this like weird like two week phase where for some reason I kept on saying excuse a moi. And I was like, why do I keep saying that? Why do I keep saying excuse a moi? And then it made me. Then I also. I have a thought. I have a question for the audience and for you, Ronnie. Why did we as a society decided why. Why have. Why did we start doing this thing that when we want to like walk by someone, we go, excuse me. Like, why do we do that? Excuse me. Why do we become Faye Butlers every time we walk by someone in close proximity? Where did that come from?

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know. I say, pardon me, pardon me, pardon me. Yeah, I feel like, I just feel.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like I'm always like, excuse me. And then someone else will always be like, oh, excuse me. It's like you're at the supermarket. People are always doing that little. Excuse me. I'm like, farnsworth, you can go back to the service quarters on my mind.

[Ronnie Caram]

I say, pardon. Could you move your fat ass out of my way? Keep it classy. So Kieran is like, well, she spent TJ's money on that card. That's a problem right there. So they're like, ah. So Stacy comes in wiping burp juice off of of her face. I mean, they really hate Stacy this season. The editors even do. They're like, let's just get a shot of her knees while she burps really loudly. I mean, that was like a Simpsons burp. That was like Barney from the Simpsons.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, and honestly, not to be. Not to be exper. Conspiratorial. They literally could have just taken any burp and put it in there and then added her Saying excuse moi, and just made it seem like she just burped her ass off walking into. And she probably didn't even do that. Like. Like there's a chance, you know, reality TV show editors are shady like that, and we don't even see her face. So, like, you know, I'm going to take it at face value that she burped in that moment. But the truth is, they could. They could just be setting her up. They may be ready to trash.

[Ronnie Caram]

Be a big lie. They're like, hey, guys, Stacy's walking up. It just cuts to the scene from Standby Me where everybody's vomiting all over each other. Yeah, there she is.

[Ben Mandelker]

They just. They just insert a bunch of fart noises. Oh, here comes Stacy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, there's another shark. There's another shot of Stacy. It's just like the. The swamp monster, like, about to eat somebody.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I never made those noises. Like, I know. We just had it since Sizzle and Posts, just to kind of liven it up.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, hey, guys, Stacy's coming up the walk. It's just the lady from the old commercials in the 80s, like, holding the hole in her throat with her finger, like, don't smoke is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I am so happy that you guys could find the time to get together during this mandated filming process, because I think that with what happened to Karen, I just felt like we needed to be together so we could laugh. I mean, what's the point of Karen being in jail if you're just laughing by yourself, right? So let's get together and laugh together. Ah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Every morning I wake up and I think karen's in jail. And then I laugh, but there's no one to laugh with me. Wendy's like, I get it. Me too. Me too. And Wendy says, for me, the worst part is the fact that it's so instant. Like, she was taken into custody right away. Like, how does she process that? Does she know? Is she prepared, like, for Karen? Like, we may have our differences. And then we cut to the reunion where Karen didn't acknowledge Wendy as one of her soldiers. And Wendy's saying, that's not my fwiend.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not my fuend. But at the core of me, that was once my fwiend. So I want the best of her. So I'm gonna propose. Why don't we all go outside and then come back in again and go back outside and come back in again just to enjoy having free will and being able to walk into whatever room we want to for Karen?

[Ronnie Caram]

And Kieran says, yeah, you know, Karen's in state jail. I mean, like, this is no Martha Stewart, okay? She has to take a shower with people. With people. You guys, she's in jail. Jail.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to say that was actually a profound observation by Kieran, because I didn't really think about that. I think we all thought about Karen being in jail and, like, be miserable, but I cannot imagine the Grand Dam enjoying taking a communal shower, you know, with all these randos. I was like, that's actually. That's gonna. That's gonna leave a mark for Karen, I think.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, that's not good. So. Well, Stacy's at the doorbell now. Cut to Jabba the Hut about to eat Princess Leah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just dark radar.

[Ronnie Caram]

Hello, Stacy. And Stacy's like, oh. I immediately started to think about Raven and how worried she must be, and they're like, yeah. Oh, my God. Poor Raven and Ray. And everybody's so sad.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel.

[Ashley Darby]

My heart breaks for. My heart breaks for Raven and Ray because.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry, I went to Karen. Hugo, voice. My heart. My heart breaks for Raven and Ray because they only get six months without Karen. I was really hoping they got a full year. My heart breaks for them.

[Ronnie Caram]

A part of me, though, I'm gonna be honest. This is the fourth dui. Anybody want to count on our fingers? Let's do it again. So there has to be accountability so that she never does this again. Do I want to see her in jail? Absolutely not. I still can't believe she's in jail. Hold on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry. That was me laughing. And now she's like, well, it's just like, it's.

[Ashley Darby]

No, it's not settling in. I mean, the grandam, Thomas Jefferson's concubine.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Wendy's like, I'm sorry, what? And Stacy goes, you know, there are some phrases and names moving forward in our friend group that we will never use again. And then we hear Karen's voice saying.

[Ashley Darby]

I'm Thomas Jefferson's concubine.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, and the. In the paddy wagon or whenever, whatever. When she was arrested, then, you know, I am sort of a big deal. Yeah. You should call Andy. He's like, who? Going, Andy Cohen. Who? A big network. Big network. Huge, huge network. Here's your column.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Wendy's like, yeah, that. That comment threw me. So. And then Ash is like. She's like, yeah, but by the way, like, what about the. What about the initials T.J. like, well, I'm wondering what's going on with you, because with the reunion, when everything that happened, and Stacey's like, well, and I am sitting here as I did at the reunion, sitting in my truth and what your.

[Ronnie Caram]

What's your truth? She goes, exactly what I said at the reunion. So we flashback to the reunion where she's, you know, saying she absolutely did not pay tj. And she reiterates it. Now she's like, I did not pay him to be on the show. And she has talked to tj and he was very remorseful. He wanted to come on TV and say, oh, my God, I lied. This is just awful.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm such an awful person.

[Ronnie Caram]

I apologize to George Clooney and everybody on the set of ER and everywhere else that I've worked. I'm sorry for lying. They're like, then why is he on Instagram claiming that he's going to bring receipts? Okay, then where are they? Where are the receipts? Why are you not seeing the receipts?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's been so long and there's been no receipts. So I'm sorry, I just. I don't care if he's, like, generating fake court documents or even if they're real. There are no receipts available. And for all the talk about, like, that there's a lawsuit. I think that also would be part of public record. I think that would have been on TMZ by now if TJ were suing Stacy, TMZ would be on top of that and reality blurbed and reality tea and everyone would be Page Six, anyone. Even Perez Hilton, if people still read him.

[Ronnie Caram]

But even he is suing her or did sue her. It doesn't mean that she's guilty. That's not how it works.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly.

[Ronnie Caram]

People on this show are like, there's a lawsuit. I told you. She was paying him the whole time. No. And actually he sued her and tried to get some money.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Ashley really should be one to talk about that, you know, after the stuff that, you know, Michael was also accused of stuff. And she was very much like, well.

[Ashley Darby]

You know, it's just an accusation.

[Ben Mandelker]

And now here she is doing the. Where there's smoke, there's fire. So she says, I don't know just.

[Ashley Darby]

How TJ wants to issue a retraction to his claim. But, like, just on Instagram, he's saying that he's, like, not lying and he's about to come back over the receipt. And, like, is there a traction in the room? Because. No, there isn't one.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And then we see a headline. Stacy Rush addresses claims of TJ's receipts as he breaks his silence and teases Earth shattering news. Where is it? Where's this earth shattering news? Yeah. So now they're just like, okay, you're getting scary now. Why is it scary? Something awful happened to me with TJ Saying I was paying him. That was devastating. And you act like I'm some untrustworthy person. And Wendy is like, you called us lies at the reunion.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to say, I thought it was funny. Because when Stacy said, something awful happened to me, she was like, something awful happened to me. And they're all thinking like, oh, shit. Like, she said it like, look, I don't want to talk about this TJ Thing. Because something. There's been devastating news. And they're like, well, what was it? Well, he. TJ Lied. And they're like, oh. Oh, we're. Oh, so we're still talking about the same thing. Okay, never mind. We thought you were gonna give us a new update on your life. So when did Wendy's like, well, when you were at the reunion, you were literally saying, stacy, this is what's happening. Like, you're the one that called us liars. And so then we see a flashback to how, like, that, like, Stacy was totally indignant when. When this all came up. You know, friendship goes both ways. My friend will not say her first thought, I don't believe you. I don't believe you at all.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but she was calling TJ A liar. You were the one. Because they brought it up, and she said, I don't believe that TJ Said that. Right? So, yeah, I guess she was calling them a liar. Because she said, I don't know. I don't believe that TJ Would say that. But I think she was just. I mean. Well, she says it herself. She's like, well, in the moment, as sure of you as you are of your friendships. That's how I felt about TJ And I just didn't believe it. I still can't believe it. Oh. And so Kierna tries to get it out a different way. She's like, okay, well, was it just a different kind of relationship. That maybe went sour over money at some point? It's like, no, stop. Okay. Do you have your Venmo Q code? Can we just look through your vents? No.

[Ben Mandelker]

I loved him enough to step up with him when I wasn't even legally divorced. I wouldn't do that to get on this show. I wouldn't do that for a payday. Actually, we think you do, 100%. You would do that. Karen was like, so they said that you've been, like, trying to get on the show for, like, quite some time. Is that, like, not true? And she's like, well, K. I've been on television for years, and we see her on qvc, and I'm on this show because it was the right time. And I know it's a sensitive topic for you, which was so funny. I know it's. I know that being accused of trying to be relevant on TV is a very sensitive topic for you, Kierna, But.

[Ronnie Caram]

I love that she's like, I've been on television for years. And then we got to her, like, this bracelet is the best heart bracelet that you could ever get. For 12.99, you could have this bracelet. It's life changing. As if she's, you know. On the next season of Big Little Lies. Like, girl, I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. So Kieran's like, it's not as sensitive, you know, it's not sensitive for me. And, well, I feel like you're being aggressive. She's like, well, you're a liar. And I'm calling out now, and I'm calling you out. And now I'm aggressive. What have I lied about? Me being on television for years and years? Hold on one second, guys. I just found out I'm on next season of the Pit. You're welcome. You're welcome to be in the presence of a TV star.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Kieran says, you've lied on national tv. You look straight into the camera and tried to cry about it, and you couldn't even squeeze a tear out of that little BDS eye. And Giselle's, like, just cackling in the background.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Stacy's like. To be met with such negativity is shocking to me, especially coming from K. I would say she's very vanilla, but all of a sudden, you have a personality when it comes to me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Whoa.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like Stacy's shade, too. I like that she's. She. She reserves a lot of her shade for her confessionals, too, I'd like to add. And the way she sort of, like, sneaks it in there between, you know, like. Like, her. Her sanctimonious, you know, shock at things and then, like, has, like, a little jab in. In the middle of it. It's just, like, kind of pitch perfect for me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. She's like, wow, I'm being called out by the most boring person to ever walk this earth. Like, what the hell? And Kierna is like, I would never trust her, because if she can lie like that, then she can lie on me. And Stacy tries to change it to, I was hurt, and I'm not the first woman to be hurt. By a man. Everyone here has experienced being hurt by an extra. Have we not?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, no wah. No wah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Tell me one woman here who hasn't been hurt by an OR5 actor. 1. Just one person.

[Ben Mandelker]

You haven't been hurt, Giselle. She's like, well, you know, I'm just seeing that. It's like you have been humiliated by a man, by someone who only is commissioned for one episode of your TV show. No, that's never happened to you. She's like, stacy, don't bring us into your. She's like, I'm so tired of being hurt. I am hurt. I am hurt. Thank you. That was a. That was a scene from a movie that I was auditioning for on the Hallmark channel called I Was Hurt. Thank you so much.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, accountability is what this group is all about, and you need to think about that. And she's like, well, maybe I need to recons. Reconsider. Excuse a moi. And she gets up, and she leaves the room with a head held high and like, wait a minute. We're not done with this conversation. And on her way to the car, she's like, I can't be friends with these bitches.

[Ben Mandelker]

Commercials. Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Actually, I was thinking about heading out.

[Ronnie Caram]

Only because I want to beat the traffic. The best part of the sleepovers. The next day, I was going to throw the games on Bobby Big Wheels.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, how can you call yourself a sports fan without Xfinity? We got the Multi view, best college.

[Ronnie Caram]

And pro games all in one place.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not going anywhere. This is how football was meant to be watched.

[Ronnie Caram]

Xfinity. Imagine that. Restrictions apply.

[Ben Mandelker]

Multi view requires Xfinity 4K capable TV box.

[Ronnie Caram]

All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ashley and I didn't want to do this, but now that. Now that she's gone. By the way, good job, everyone. Getting someone to store them out. We can go after her all season. Nah. Okay, well, now that it's done, we were in LA at the Essence Black Women in Hollywood luncheon. And at our table sat a beautiful actress who's best friends with tj. So she came with the receipts, honey. Receipts, receipts, receipts. Somehow this person had more receipts than TJ's had. And TJ is suing her.

[Ronnie Caram]

Ah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I saw the legal document myself.

[Ronnie Caram]

So why is this girl, whoever she is? We hear her name later. Oh, well, we don't hear her Name. They. They beep it out. But why is she walking around with TJ's legal documents screenshotted on her phone? That is so weird. What? People are so weird. And then goes up at a black Women in Hollywood thing to show people the receipts from the show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I really want to know who it is.

[Ronnie Caram]

Thirst.

[Ben Mandelker]

I really want to know. Maybe it was Drew Sedora. She's a. She's an actress. Although I think they would not believe out her name. You would do that? I don't know. I'm like, who is taking. Who is taking up for tj? That's. It's like, I like. I want to do investigations. I want to see pictures of TJ with, like, established actresses and to see who he is.

[Ronnie Caram]

What's his. What's his last name? Tj, do you know? Maxwell has a Potomac tj. Let's see. Real House as a Potomac. Tom Thomas. Thomas Anthony Jones. Okay, TJ in action. His best friend, a. Let's see if there's any Instagram friends.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm looking on images just to see, like, maybe a Getty image. Let's see. He is. I'm looking. I'm not seeing anyone. I'm looking. Surely. Yes. If he is best friends with an established actress, I'm sure he has pictures.

[Ronnie Caram]

With her best friend. Oh, he's friends with one of my friends who works at qvc. Oh, I should ask her if she knows Stacy. I'll bet she does.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sure she does.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. Anyway, we're not gonna find it here.

[Ben Mandelker]

So that's it.

[Ronnie Caram]

What if it was?

[Ben Mandelker]

Imagine Angela. Not only could you imagine her and being friends with him. Being friends with Angela Bassett and not only being friends. Such good friends that Angela Bassett has his court records on her phone and now is going to get messy with the Real Housewives. That would be my dream. That would be just. The best.

[Ronnie Caram]

Is way too good. As someone tiny. It's a tiny. It's only. It's A friend of TJ is like an under five actor. Like, they're acting. Oh, my God. A very in demand actress told us with screenshots on her phone. Get out of here, you guys. So then Giselle's like, well, yeah, receipts, receipts, receipt. So Wendy grabs Kieran's arm and she's like, don't grab me. And they start cackling. And Giselle says that the document said, per our agreement, Stacy paying 50 of her real Housewives of Potomac. Check. That's where they lose me. Because I don't think she would offer 50 to something.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, she would never. That's crazy. I don't think so. Just. But she. I mean, we joke, but she has worked on TV for a few years on qvc, so she knows what. She knows, like a good deal. She knows what she's worth. And she also, you know, she's got a husband or ex husband who works in business who probably would advise. Like, I don't think that she's doing. She's giving away 50% of her paycheck to TJ. No way.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, that said, a first season doesn't. A first season personal. Bravo really makes $5. So it could not. It could have been, like, a very small amount of money. That sounds huge because it's like, a whole season, but that's not really much as a first year on Bravo.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right.

[Ronnie Caram]

They make you prove yourself for a couple of years before you get any real money.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right? Right. Yeah, I think.

[Ronnie Caram]

Unless they've changed, which I doubt. I doubt that the budgets have gotten higher, but who knows? So now she's saying earnings, and he's suing her for the rest of his money. Honey. And I was trying to screenshot the legal document, but I couldn't get it. Oh, really? You couldn't get it? Why? Why couldn't you get it? What do you mean? You were. You were trying to screenshot it and you couldn't get it. She wouldn't send it to you. I'm sure she would. If she walked right over to you and was showing it to you, then why wouldn't she just send it to you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I. It's the. Something is not adding up in the story. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's the actress. I don't know if it's tj. I don't know if it's Giselle and Ashley. I believe Giselle and Ashley, though. I believe Giselle and Ashley that. That, like, someone came up to them. I don't think that they just make up stories like that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

My instinct is that this is like a Lisa Barlow dismissed versus denied situation where TJ isn't. Is, like, saying that he's suing and. But he makes it seem like he has, like, a case, but instead he's, like, just drawn up legal documents that haven't, like, gone anywhere. Like, I would not be surprised if that was the case in this situation.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. That could be a legal zoom for all we know. Anyway, it proves nothing except that he wants to sue her or was trying to sue her. And even if he did it doesn't mean that she ever agreed. Unless I see a signed agreement where Stacy says, I will give you 50% of my earnings for you to play this role. Then I don't believe it. Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Show us the receipts. Show us everything.

[Ronnie Caram]

Excusez moi. So Giselle's like, we are gonna. We're not gonna be accountable for your lies. That's what we're not doing. So then we see May 1st. Two months later. Catching up with the ladies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here we go, everybody.

[Ronnie Caram]

First up, let's go to Wendy and Eddie's house. We meet Rhonda, Wendy's interior decorator. She's like, Ms. Rhonda, here's my vision. I want a fireplace here that goes all the way to the ceiling. And eddie's like, that's 19ft of marble. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Fireplaces are famously expensive. Are they not, like, chimneys and stuff? They're like. Like thousands upon thousands of dollars. And then also, she wants to get a new island. And Eddie's like, where's this money coming from? And she's like, well, happy. Eddie is doing very well. Let's use the drug money, okay? And then they laugh. And then we go to Giselle and Cal. They're at lunch, and, you know, Cal saying that she looks really nice and everything, and her titties are out. She's like, yes, my titties are out. Da. God gave me these titties, and God wants me to show them.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then we go to Ashley, who's with Brenda, the event planner, and Brandt, her. Her gay, who we saw on Love Hotel, who is now, I guess, gonna be on all the time. And they're making a little donation pile, and they're. You know, her gays are like, you're getting rid of this. And they just basically throw all of her clothes. Cause they're hideous. And they're like, this is going to the ugly bin. She's like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. You can get this. My favorite. Okay. Okay. Well, like, hideous. It's all hideous.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do we think that Ralph from the Love Hotel will make an appearance on the season of Potomac? Because I'm really hoping that he can show up and be like, you're so sexy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Gross. Yeah, You're a hot little thing. He kisses wax. He said wet kisser. Yeah. The rumors were that she never stopped dating Beavis, so I wonder if we get to see him this season. So then we go to Stacy, and how do you pronounce his name? Thimo Tmo? Probably not. That sounds Spanish.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Stacy and. Let's see. It's. I'm trying. I think it was Teemo. Timo sounds sort of like an app.

[Ronnie Caram]

It sounds like. Yeah, it sounds. It sounds like one val away from being a decent shopping site.

[Ben Mandelker]

Timo. Timo. It's like. It's almost like BMO and Temu had a child and it was Stacy's ex husband.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So they. We. We don't really get to see him. We just see that they go to a Moroccan place, I think. Moroccan.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it's actually Indian. Oh, you know, I'm not gonna go on the record. It was a lot of oranges that had lots of spices.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. Lots of horny greats. So we don't see him. He's a mystery man. But then we find out, wait, is it just a block of cheese? No, it's a man and his name is Timo, we think. So he's there. He hates being on camera. And he just stares at her and kind of smiles and nods a lot. And she's like, wow, look at us doing so great, having dinner together. He's like, yes. Yeah, look, it's just me and you ordering appetizers like we used to. Remember how we used to always order an appetizer? Now we're ordering appetizers again. He's like, yes. Oh, we just can't stay away from each other.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I am Josiah to get the three. Three rice, please. So Stacey, Stacy says that this restaurant reminds me of when we were in India, which is what led me to believe it was an Indian restaurant. I remember that there was something where they said Indian and I was like. I was like, okay, this is most likely an Indian restaurant. But knowing she is a reality star, so there is a good chance her in a Moroccan restaurant and it somehow is reminding her of India. So I'm not going to. I'm not going to. I'm just going to say that the needle moves a little bit more towards Indian restaurant on this one. For me.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm over. It's still wondering.

[Ben Mandelker]

Speculate on the restaurant anymore. I'm going to speculate for a little bit. I'm like, wait a second. That looks like a mango lassi, but maybe it's a Moroccan drink.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm okay with whatever they're having. Good for those kids. They were.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, as crazy as.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's the best part.

[Ben Mandelker]

As crazy as it sounds, I'm back with my husband in a restaurant of unspecified international quality, not quality style. Do you see this glow? I'm really happy. TMO and I, we decided to spend Christmas vacation together as a family for the sake of Arabella. And we were notified that we were, in fact, officially divorced while we were on vacation. And we just looked at each other, and I think we both knew it wasn't the end of us. We said, you know what? Let's go back to that restaurant that serves that cuisine. We don't really understand what it is, and we have got to give each other another try. And now that the divorce is final, we found our way back to each other, and we're going with the flow right now. And the flow feels good.

[Ronnie Caram]

I just remember looking at him and saying, I don't care where we eat. I don't care what kind of food is there, but I would prefer it to have rectangular metal lighting lanterns of some kind all over the place.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just want a lot of spices. That's it.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she says she likes him in blue, and he's like, I know. Isn't this nice? We're doing it again. We're prioritizing ourselves instead of that little bitch Arabella. God, remember how our relationship used to be. Arabella. Arabella. We shouldn't have date night. We should have family night. Let's not even tell Arabella how it does. Even want her to know I'm seeing her daddy. Screw her. She's at home with some frozen Mac and cheese and a nanny who doesn't care about her. Hilarious.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. We do not want to confuse Arabella. And also, I'm glad that we're in this restaurant because it smells so fragrant in here. It covers up your breath. Oh, thank you so much.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I'm calling her Arabia.

[Ben Mandelker]

We've always just prioritized her, and I think that that saying that, like, we didn't necessarily need a date night. Look, we'd rather have family night. I just think it's so good. We've always prioritized her, and in some ways, maybe that's why we broke up.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did I say that on the record?

[Ronnie Caram]

It's all Arabella's fault. Thank God. Oh, wait, hold on. Let me just munch on this raw onion. It's all Arabella's fault this whole time. We should get rid of her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Excuse me. What? Yeah, this is very funny. Also, you know, I. Oh, you. I also know that my real friends will always support whatever decision I am making, even if it is getting back with what they call garlic monster. Yes, clearly, TMO is more reserved, and I love that his energy balances mine throughout our relationship. He treats me like a lady Even though I burp in his face all day long. And it feels good to be back together, and we've just fallen right back into the step of things.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, finally, our food. Wait, why are you putting a tagine lid on my head? I'm sorry, ma'.

[Ben Mandelker]

Am.

[Ronnie Caram]

Smell is escaping the stable. Well, anyway, as I was saying.

[Ben Mandelker]

He'S.

[Ronnie Caram]

Taken off of it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought this was an Indian restaurant. Why do you have a Tajin top? It's fusion. Why are you putting a knot on my face? Is it Tajin or is it none?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, gosh. So, yeah, they're gonna keep the secret from Arabella, which, I mean, I guess. I don't know if that's a good idea or not. I mean, I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I love when people keep secrets on national tv. That always works out really well.

[Ronnie Caram]

So. She was so crushed to know I didn't love her father anymore. I'd hate for her to think that I loved him again. He could break her. And now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Isn't it funny? And now we can't stop looking at each other. I know. How is this night. I know how this night's gonna go. He's like, yeah. Crazy how things have happened. Like the time you actually bought a breath meat. High five, waiter. High five, waiter.

[Ronnie Caram]

It is so confusing to me as I look into your eyes. And my eyes are telling me one thing and my nose is telling me such other thing. This poor lady.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was just thinking. I was just trying to remember that song that was like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. This poor lady. It's. This is gonna haunt her for a while. I think this is it. This is gonna stick.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, this is.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's branded. Branded with this.

[Ronnie Caram]

So now we go to Kieran's new condo, and her hot mom is there. Oh, my God. She really thought it was Kieran at first. I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought. I was like, oh, here comes Kieran walking in. And she's like, hi, Mom. And I was like, wait, wait. I was like, oh, my God. The. The genetics in this family are working very strong. Wow. It's like.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is. It's stem cells. Is it fish oil? Whatever your secret is, please send it over, ma'. Am.

[Ben Mandelker]

My God, these two are drop dead gorge. And as gay men, it's like, our duty to, like, bow down at the altar. Like, we love a gorgeous woman, the both of them. I'm like, this is wild icon alert.

[Ronnie Caram]

So you are mother.

[Ben Mandelker]

Literally.

[Ronnie Caram]

Literally. And you're like double mother right now. So Kierna is talking about how last year she had dark moments. And those dark moments, Greg being an asshole. I wish they showed. One of her dark moments is when she wore polyester and his company T shirt. Because that was a dark. That was one of my dark moments with Kierna last year. I think the dark moment to lower yourself like this for a man.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I think the dark moment was also how she spent like, half of her home scenes in a literal dark kitchen with, like, brown cabinets. Just like this sad, depressing kitchen that she had to do so many scenes with Greg slumped over at the, like, the kitchen island and pretending like they had any sort of chemistry.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So she says that Greg showed his ass on national television and she moved out, ending the relationship. Relationship. So, yeah, that part sounds good. But then I think later she's like, yeah, we're still dating. And her mom's like, oh, Jesus.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, right here. Because Michelle, her mom says, so how is Jamaica? Because you were supposed to have a breakup. And she's like, oh, yeah. Just.

[Ashley Darby]

Well, so about three months ago, after breaking up and, like, moving into my own condo, Greg was like, okay, she's serious. And, like, let me go get my girl back. So he was like, I want to go. Want to go to Jamaica and talk. And I'm like, sure, I want to, like, to Jamaican doc. And it was like a much needed getaway for wrestling chat and, like, you know, like, reset the tone and, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Together, blah, blah, blah. Like, girl, you don't. Could you have at least found a better guy in Jamaica? Like, why. Why are you falling for this guy? Why are you falling for his Jamaica tricks? You are so out of his league. Not just obviously physically, which shouldn't even matter because love is love, but really personality wise, like, this guy, you just being away from him already this season, you're such a way more interesting person. Like, he is going to destroy you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, she's not away from him. I mean, she's in her own apartment.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, but meaningful. She's not living with him. She's like, she doesn't have him constantly probably, like, like, stressing her out. Like, she probably was like, probably one of the reasons why she was so met last season was because a, there probably was an element of imposter syndrome with the fact, like, oh, she only got to be a housewife because Bravo wants to stay out of trouble. Like, that was like, the big rumor. And then also, he probably was making her life because he was like, don't do this, don't do this. This would be bad. And we break up. So she probably stressed the entire time. Like, I don't want to get messy. I don't want to be not myself because I don't want, like, if I get too crazy. Greg isn't getting mad because he thinks these shows are garbage anyway. And it's like, just be your normal self. And like, who cares about Greg? And I think that she's already leaning into that this season, which has been like a. Like a 180 degree improvement for her.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So she says she's in therapy and she's with. With Greg. She wants to feel happy, and she just didn't feel that, which is why they went to Jamaica together. Just totally place you go to just talk. And so she's like, well, now we're dating, and the expectation is just to be happy, you know, and it's a big step back from wanting to get married all the time. And the mom's like, well, yeah, this relationship's not good for you. You're a beautiful black black woman. You're a queen. You put yourself first. She's like, okay, I just went to Jamaica. I still love it. I still love him. I don't know. I'm used to Real Housewives being with people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, it's like, it's almost like you have to be to be on this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. It's actually really unfortunate. Like, I'm sure you could probably hatch a theory that, like, maybe the reason why you're drawn to coming onto these shows is because you don't get to, like, be your full self with. With in your relationship. So therefore, you have to express yourself, like, on, like, on a show like this. And you wild out on your cast members because you can't fully. It's like all misdirected rage at the guy that you're stuck with. I don't know. I'm. I just work shopping that right now on the fly. Like, it sounds good. Works for me.

[Ronnie Caram]

I only came on Real Housewives to be my authentic self outside my relationship. I mean, I don't know. There's easier ways to do it, but hey, we all take our own roads, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Who am I? Who am I to judge it? So the mom's like, no. And Kierna is saying, like, it sucks because even her family hates him and they used to love him, but he was really an asshole last year. So. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's. Yeah. And they basically, like, we see how a flashback to two weeks ago that Kieran is with. With her brother, and her brother's like, yeah, no, like she's like, you don't trust. You don't trust him. And he's like, no, no, no. So Kieran is saying, you know, Michelle, her mom is saying, you know, like this, this right here, this place that you're in, like this is earned. And you have to think about your whole happiness. Not today is great and tomorrow maybe. No, it has to be great, great, great. I was like, yes, Michelle, the mom giving advice.

[Ronnie Caram]

Happiness and not your whole happiness.

[Ben Mandelker]

Another great way to put it. Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So let's go over to. Basically Kieran is not going to listen to her. She just gives her that look that's like, okay, well thanks for giving an empowering speech on TV that I'm not going to listen to. Get the out of my condo. Okay. And take your 20 year old looking self with you. Thank you. So then we go over to Wendy's then when and their kids and Eddie, who's of course in a happy Eddie T shirt, wouldn't have it any other way, is getting ready to leave tomorrow because they're expanding their weed business to New Jersey.

[Ben Mandelker]

Very exciting. He's going to New Jersey. And isn't this exciting because now he gets to go to a different state. It's a big deal. Don't you. It's growing your business. The kids are like, we don't care. So Wendy's like, cameron, what do you want to do when you get older? She's like, doctor, she's. And Eddie's like, that's right, doctor. And they're like, yay. And then Cameron's like like mom. But then the kids are like, but mom's not like a real doctor.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes, she is. And Eddie's like, she is a doctor. And Cruz is like, well, not an actual doctor. So Wendy is basically like, we're witch now. So happy Eddie's doing really well. So thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Now did you notice this part? This cracked me up. This was such like, this was such lazy post production right here for audio because she's talking about how Eddie's like really inspires her. And it takes a lot to step out and say, hey, I'm gonna try this. And then she says, but come to find out, he's also inspiring. He's an inspiration to people within this very group. Except the way she. She really says it is she. They edit in these words. Like they literally string together different words because the audio level and the style is different with every word. She literally goes, but come to find out he is also inspiration people within this very group. I was like, Come on, you gotta do better than that. Just have her record the whole sentence over again. Why are you Franken stitching this sentence together? Like, so obvious? It's like. I was like, okay, bravo. Let's. Let's. Let's raise our audio. Audio. Like our fake audio together. I don't know what I'm saying. Last Monday. I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, let's have a. Let's just keep the audio of Wendy's line and just cut to Stacy. Estella. Stacy. And they cut. It's like a garbage pail, Kid. Okay, and we're back. They say that imitation is the greatest form of flattery. So color me pink. So then Carter has decided that he wants to work at Chick Fil A. It's like, it's a very popular fast food chain, so surely there will be a decent salary. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you're always off on Sundays. So now let's go to Ashley.

[Ronnie Caram]

Why is Sunday the only day I ever want fries from Chick Fil A? I feel like every time I see a Chick Fil A, it's closed and I want a waffle fry. And it's because we're in an airport or something's going on that I happen to see a Chick Fil A when I want a waffle fry. And they're always closed.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just not right when things are closed on Sundays. Like, hello, this is not 1735. 2025.

[Ronnie Caram]

People do things to have my waffle fry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, absolutely. Okay. Like, we can. We can. Like, like, let's not close everything down onto, you know, it's a nightmare. Like, really, when, like in Europe, by the way, they do not play with Sunday. They shut everything down. It is basically like zombie apocalypse on Sundays. You cannot find anything if you're hungry on a Sunday. If you're a tourist looking for a restaurant on a Sunday, good luck. You're eating get done like a pigeon. Europeans.

[Ronnie Caram]

Speaking of, let's go over to Ashley. She is at a boutique. And this is revenge on the lady who caused all the drama was Stacy last year. What was her name? That's friends with Karen and Stacy. That there was all that dress drama over Stacy not wanting someone to get the Viv. Yeah. Stacy didn't want Ashley to wear her dress. Was it Karen? She didn't want someone else to have her dress. And it was like a big drama. And so now Viv is out. And now we get Gilda. Welcome, Gilda.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gilda, welcome.

[Ronnie Caram]

Off the bench, Gilda. Gilda's just been sitting. She's like, fine. Hello, ladies. Welcome to the store. What can I do you for? And she just stands around with her finger kind of like pinched like this. Like, ooh, they're in my store now. And while they're talking, Gilda's just standing by. They're like, I could be working or I could be listening.

[Ashley Darby]

She's like, well, I'm having a second bloom ball.

[Ben Mandelker]

She says that as if that makes any sense. Like people know what a second bloom ball is, what even a first bloom ball is like. She's like, creating a concept. Like, as far as I could tell, a second bloom ball is like, you're celebrating ordering a second blooming onion out of a pack. Because I've never heard of this thing before.

[Ronnie Caram]

I want to snort it, whatever it is. It sounds good to me. So she. This is going to be a divorce party, basically. And we see her, she's like, I am officially divorced. And we see pictures of her that she took of herself at her photo shoot for being divorced, where she's like in a towel with a towel on her head, reading a newspaper that says, Ashley Darby is divorced.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And he says, then there's a headline that says, chaching Ashley Dolby did cash out in divorce with ex Michael's 20 million net worth. And so she's like, yeah, that was.

[Ashley Darby]

Something I worked into my agreement. And like, so your girl's gonna be all right. I thought it would, like, maybe be a little sad for me, but, baby, I really like it here.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So she got some money out of Michael. That's good. How do you do that?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. I didn't even know he had a $20 million net worth. That's. That's pretty wild.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So she's going to have a floral themed thing, pastels. And she's telling Gilda that her friend Stacy's coming. And Gilda's like, oh, all right. Should I pass out the math masks now?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, let's.

[Ronnie Caram]

Let's make it look more natural.

[Ashley Darby]

Can you get some florals on those masks?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ashley says that the last time she saw Stacy was a bit contentious. And she figured it'd be just like really nice to have some, like, one on one time with her. No offense. Yeah, it's just one on one.

[Ronnie Caram]

Two on one. Two on one. Sounds great. I'll be.

[Ashley Darby]

No, back to your desk.

[Ben Mandelker]

Go back.

[Ronnie Caram]

Gilda, I love Ashley scenes. I just wanted to spend some time with Stacy. A reminder that at heart, we're both friends. Why are you lying?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. Also, I forgot to Mention Stacy when she showed up at Giselle's house, like, she really set the tone for the season because she was wearing such a God awful pattern on her dress. Did you remember that? It was like lines coming in like, like rays coming in in all different directions and angles and shapes. And I was like, stacy, come on, we have to. We have to be better. I mean, she. Her dress was better here. I like the pattern was. It still was a pretty loud pattern, but it made sense. But that one that she wore at the top of the episode, I just feel like we cannot let that slip by. It has to mention.

[Ronnie Caram]

What the hell. We're really disagreeing on a lot of Stacy things today. I thought that was a very pretty dress.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're like, it was a lovely Moroccan dress. I was like, no, Ronnie, it's an Indian dress.

[Ronnie Caram]

One thing we did forget to mention, though, that it's coming to me right now is when she was at that dinner with her husband and she's like, I just love how you're sending me evites now. And he's like, yes, because it is so easy. I could just call you. But then I think, no, I want to make it special, so I make an evite. She goes, yes. And then I come. Lovely. Would you please like to join for. Please RSVP if you're going to join at this Moroccan Indian restaurant. Please.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now is the time for Moroccan Indian food. Please, please.

[Ashley Darby]

Rcb, yes or no?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I would, I would call you on the phone, but I sometimes do feel that breath can travel through telephones. So it is better.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm sick of the operator cutting us off because you are taking down power lines.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, I have a question. You said that we're disagreeing on a lot today. Did we? I think we only disagreed. I feel like we only disagreed on whether it was an Indian or a Moroccan restaurant.

[Ronnie Caram]

And also you said that you can tell that she has bad breath. I don't, I don't know how you can tell that she has bad breath. And now we're bringing on her dress. I mean, and now, now we're probably going to disagree on something else.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, we're good. We're disagreeing on how many things overstates. We're disagreeing on how many things we disagree on. I felt like, I feel like you not feeling like you can sense. I don't know. I don't feel like that's a disagreement. I feel like that's just a difference of perception. But the restaurant for sure, that's a big disagreement between us.

[Ronnie Caram]

Now we're disagreeing.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's gonna be an issue.

[Ronnie Caram]

We're disagreeing.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's gonna be an issue.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. We're done.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's a problem.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we see that Ashley has been with. She's been holding up the long time tradition of crazy invitations on this show because she's having her bloom party. So she sent someone to Stacy's door who's like, you are ca invited to be present at the second Bloom ball.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I love that Stacy was like, oh, by the way, your invitation was so beautiful. And you think it's going to be like a card like with. From papyrus or whatever that's going to have like nice fonts and good card stock. And so it's just like some guys with horns doing fanfare. Like, like be like, welcome to Ashley's second blue bowl.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Excuse me. And I was like, what? This isn't beautiful. Are we gonna agree on that?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Yeah. So. Well, I love that it's so. It's so Potomac that it barely gets any airtime. It just gets one little clip instead of going to all the ladies house, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Normally what they do and Giselle being like, who's on my lawn?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. That is a story tradition. They're like, well, if there's no clown involved, we're just gonna keep this real short.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. No mime. No. No, thank you. No mime. No thank you, Ashley. Okay, so we see the invitation and it's silly. It's like a full on wedding invitation. It's at the Josephine Parks Butler center in the District of Columbia. The festivities begin at 5, tentatively concluding at 8. This occasion celebrates new beginnings in honor of Ms. Ashley Darby. Attire encouraged for your best Cinderella moment. Black tie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, is it a. Is it a Cinderella party or is it a bloom party? I think it's like thematically a little messy here.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she also explains, I think Cinderella had to go back to being a maid right after the ball. Didn't she? Like, didn't that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Explode. And then she had to. She got covered in pumpkin and had to become a maid again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I don't even think that like Cinderella bloomed. I think Cinderella was given false hope for a moment and then it just worked out for her.

[Ronnie Caram]

But I don't think Cinderella cosplayed her way into some money. That's what. That's what happened.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cinder. Cinderella made a bold. She made a bold choice for footwear and she was rewarded for it. But I don't think it was really A bloom. She just sort of like. They're like, oh, look, she's good at picking out rice for magic.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. It was a catfish. That's what it was. The first catfisher. Yeah. Congratulations. You've reached the end of part one. Of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

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