#3030 RHOSLC S604 Part Two: Warm and Muzzie

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3030 RHOSLC S604 Part Two: Warm and Muzzie

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: October 8, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively installment, Ben and Ronnie break down part two of the latest Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) episode, zeroing in on explosive mother-daughter dynamics, ongoing cast feuds, and signature Bravo absurdity. Their recap balances emotional family reckonings—especially the jaw-dropping confrontation between Bronwyn and her mother Muzzy—with playful mockery of Housewives antics, relationship drama, and iconic visual gags (yes, cactus blood is involved). The hosts blend camp, empathy, and biting wit, making this recap as entertaining as the episode itself.

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1. Angie vs Lisa vs Heather: Hair Shades and Credit Card Wars

Key Points and Insights

• Angie’s Hair Diss: The hosts lampoon Angie’s cutting "bowling ball black" hair insult directed toward Lisa, which Ben calls out for being "so funny, but also mean" (02:41). Whitney tries to inject some perspective: "Okay, that's not nice. Angie. We are women. Women who have follicles" (02:41).
• Deflection and Retaliation: The cast’s tit-for-tat style is unpacked, especially how Angie "slings stuff back" when under fire about her finances or parenting.
• Hypocrisy Call-Out: The hosts are quick to note how feuds spiral: "Amidst all the good, Angie comes in with something really horrible" (01:53). There’s also a running gag about Angie’s dramatic slow-motion finger pointing, described as “her slow, like, musical number, finger point—start the… It goes low and up and high. You shouldn't say that. Bowling ball.” (03:35)
• Advice for Next Encounter: Heather quips, "You shouldn't come in hot. Okay. You should probably leave the 'your hair doesn’t have shine' thing at home." (02:41)

Notable Quotes

• Heather: "When you go that dark, you don't have shine… that's what makes it hard to support you." (01:53)
• Whitney (re: drama): "She does a circle, like she's stirring something from under a ball. And then she rolls her head, too, on the opposite way. It cracks me up every single time. She's like a little machine." (03:43)

Timestamp

• 01:26-04:02: Hair shade, retaliation, and Housewives gesturing

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2. Britney & Whitney: Cactus Stroking, Parenting, and Relationship Mess

Key Points and Insights

• Plant Shopping as Therapy: Britney and Whitney visit Orchid Dynasty for "plants they can't kill," an extended metaphor for their attempts at self-improvement and personal growth (04:07).
• Surface Apologies: Britney tries to apologize for past tension post-RV trip, but lists her “regrets” like a comedic grocery list—parking badly, ignoring her daughter, and "not DVRing things" (05:25). This underlines how disconnected she is from real accountability.
• Relationship Rollercoaster: Britney reveals she's still entangled with Jared ("we bend the engagement, but we're still together," 06:09), prompting the hosts to argue about her self-sabotaging tendencies.
• Cactus as Visual Metaphor: Whitney and Ben riff on Britney's compulsive cactus stroking as a symbol for her attracting pain in relationships: "Now I know why she's with Jared. It's the same reason why she is literally stroking a cactus…" (07:15)
• Daughter Over Dudes: Whitney pleads with Britney to put her daughter, Olivia, first—juxtaposed with Britney’s inability to grasp the emotional needs of her child ("Maybe you should ask her… Is it really that hard to stop for a short period of time to prove that she's worth it?" 08:00).

Notable Quotes

• Whitney (about Olivia): "She just wants you to stop dating for like a minute… Think of the grand scheme of life. Is it really that hard to stop for a short period of time to prove that she's worth it?" (07:43, 08:00)
• Ben: "It's like, this is a woman who likes to inflict pain on herself… Now I know why she's with Jared." (07:15)
• Whitney, exasperated: "Brittany, are you listening to me? Make an effort for your daughter. It might not ever… you might not ever have another chance." (12:35)
• Ronnie, narrating disaster: "She's like, Brittany, put the cactus down. It's like a hostage situation… put the cactus down. Let them out of the bank." (12:52)

Timestamp

• 04:07-13:43: Plant shopping, self-sabotage metaphors, and mother-daughter reckoning

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3. Bronwyn vs. Muzzy: The Iconic Mother-Daughter Showdown

Key Points and Insights

• Enter Muzzy, the Villain: Bronwyn’s mother, Muzzy, is introduced visually packing away Bronwyn’s inflatable dinosaur costume—an emblem of killing joy: "Fun things don’t have any use here in a household" (14:03).
• Eyebrow & Costume Gags: The hosts skewer Muzzy’s “comma brows” and energy, comparing her eyebrows to "a McDonald's sign that's been hit by lightning" (15:01).
• Bowling League ‘Lies’: Muzzy’s disbelief in her granddaughter’s stated whereabouts ("I don’t see Lisa Barlow’s hair, so… I don’t believe there's any bowling going on here" 15:56).
• Generational Judgment: Bronwyn articulates how her mother’s old-school Mormon values—combined with shame and withholding affection—still haunt her. Muzzy openly admits she would “do it again” when confronted about refusing to celebrate Bronwyn’s pregnancy (19:47).
• Baby Gap Anecdote: A particularly cruel moment is recalled where Muzzy refuses to buy anything for Bronwyn’s baby and denies her in public: "No. That is wild. It is so cruel." (21:37)
• Muzzy’s Victimhood: Muzzy hijacks the narrative, playing the victim by claiming she was forced to raise Gwen and suggesting foster care was the alternative: "We didn’t want her to go into foster care, so this is what we did…" (25:32).
• Bronwyn’s Grace: Despite the pain, Bronwyn extends empathy, recognizing her mom was ill-equipped for a nonconforming child and forced to make sacrifices (27:15).

Notable Quotes

• Heather (on Muzzy): "She’s not saying, 'We took care of Gwen because she's our granddaughter and we love her and family's most important'... she's instead saying, 'Well, we didn’t want foster care, so this is what we did.'" (26:02)
• Whitney (host): "Fuck Muzzy. This woman is terrible. I hate her. I'm so triggered even watching her and her stupid little nods, like, 'Yeah, you're right, I did.'" (22:33)
• Ronnie: "If this were scripted, this would be, like, gay canon, right?" (24:06)
• Bronwyn (paraphrased, reflecting): "I was really the last person considered in that. It's crazy that... Dad’s position at the temple was more important than me." (24:58)

Timestamp

• 13:43–29:15: The Muzzy scenes—parental shame, tough love, and one of the season's most jaw-dropping confrontations

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4. Housewives Machinations: Angie and Meredith Plot, Lisa’s Back-Pocket Bombs

Key Points and Insights

• Unexpected Companionship: Angie and Meredith meet for coffee after years of animosity, with Angie making it clear she wants to warn Meredith about Lisa’s true intentions (29:36).
• Lisa’s Loyalty Questioned: Angie claims Lisa attempted to weaponize Meredith’s family secrets—researching potential bankruptcy and shoplifting records to "launch like a bomb" when needed (31:26).
• Meredith's Skepticism: Meredith doubts Angie’s motives but vows to address it with Lisa, highlighting the perpetual cycle where Housewives keep damning secrets in reserve only to use them strategically—"This is the old Margaret Josephs. Beware…" (33:23).

Notable Quotes

• Heather (about Lisa's tactics): "Obviously it was Lisa. That’s who Lisa is. Lisa is doing her research on everyone, true or not, and she’s just going to keep it back here in case you come for her, and she will launch it like a bomb." (32:07)
• Whitney: "It’s a funny thing to be like, just so you know, Lisa... keeps things in her back pocket to throw out like a bomb. And I’m going to show this to you by keeping something in my back pocket and throwing it at you like a bomb." (33:06)

Timestamp

• 29:36–33:41: Coffee shop shade and secret weapon revelations

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5. Reflective Segment: Camp, Trauma, and Mothers on Bravo

Key Points and Insights

• Campy Reality Villainy: The hosts marvel at Muzzy as an almost campy, drag-villain reality mom—“it’s riveting and it’s like a stereotype of the evil mom… her presentation is… almost gay canon” (24:06).
• Mother-Daughter Trauma: Both hosts connect the RHOSLC mothers—especially Muzzy—to broader issues of generational trauma, religious pressure, and society’s role in perpetuating shame.
• Contrast with Other Storylines: There’s thoughtful discussion on Britney’s situation, with Whitney giving surprisingly good advice about prioritizing her daughter, but expressing doubt that anything gets through: "You can see the hamster wheel not really moving. The hamster wheel's never really moved for Britney." (35:11)

Notable Quotes

• Ben (on Britney): “It’s like sadlarious. You almost wonder, can somebody be this stupid?” (34:49)
• Whitney (about toxic moms): “Did this happen to some of these other toxic moms we’ve come across on this show?” (35:11)
• Ronnie (on Muzzy's religion): “Religion to that extent—I don’t think religion’s horrible… but to the extent where people are, like, getting rid of their own family and judging their own family to the point where they have no relationship with them is just…” (37:28)
• Heather (broadly): “When people do shitty, shitty things in the name of religion, when a lot of times the religion actually does not stand for those things.” (37:28)

Timestamps

• 33:41–39:05: Analysis of mothers, camp, and cultural trauma

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6. Final Reflections and Takeaways

• Ben and Ronnie agree this episode felt weighty, real, and fascinating thanks to its honest portrayal of fraught mother-daughter relationships and actual stakes—unlike filler episodes in other franchises.
• Ben: "A really good episode with camp and fights and drama and emotional stuff and real stuff. And a cactus." (33:58)
• Ronnie admires the episode for having material that "didn't really rely on fighting the whole time" with enough compelling home scenes to stay engaging (34:07).

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Episode Standouts

• Muzzy as Reality TV Villain: She’s both cringeworthy and captivating—instantly iconic.
• Cactus Blood Bit: Recast as comic relief for Britney’s emotional oblivion.
• Meredith and Angie's Alliance: Potentially game-changing for Salt Lake dynamics.
• Reflective Realness: The hosts’ thoughtful analysis of how shame, religious pressure, and arrested emotional development play out on and off Bravo.

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Highlight Reel (Timestamps)

• 01:26–04:02: Angie vs Lisa, “bowling ball black” hair shade
• 04:07–13:43: Britney’s cactus scene, parenting debate, bloody metaphors
• 13:43–29:15: Bronwyn vs. Muzzy, Baby Gap shame, generational pain
• 29:36–33:41: Angie and Meredith's secret-sharing
• 33:41–39:05: Campy maternal monsters, toxic religion, and real talk

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This episode showcases Watch What Crappens at its sharpest: hilarious yet compassionate, campy yet incisive, and always ready to turn the mirror (or cactus) right back on our favorite Bravo chaos-makers.

Transcript

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[Heather]

Watch what happens. Watch what crafts cares what happens when there's so much good crap. Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode.

[Whitney]

So she's like, I don't know what she's talking about, Sabrina. It's a sliced cucumber.

[Heather]

Delicious.

[Whitney]

So she's like, I have my own credit card so I'm not going to engage with her craziness. I thought we left on a great note. And I was like, I thought you guys left great too. It was love, tears and huggies. After you all asked me to sign your napkins, after that great monologue I.

[Heather]

Gave, I am sick of her throwing out grenades because she feels like, well, I'm gonna deflect. And you talked about my kids and I didn't even talk about your kids. And she's like, no. Well, you did talk about her kids product line. You talked about Fresh Wolf. And I would, it would never have come up had she not said, you're jealous of me. You're jealous of my shiny hair. I'm like, everybody has nice hair in this room except for Brittany. Your hair is no better than anyone else's. It's dyed bowling ball black. But when you go that dark, you don't have shine. I was like, see, that's the thing right there, Angie. That's what makes it hard to support you. Because amidst all the Good. And all the hurt, you come in with something really horrible like bowling ball black hair. Angie's disses are so funny.

[Whitney]

When you go that dark, you don't have shine burn. Okay, that's not nice. Angie. We are women. Women who have follicles. Okay, Heather. But saying I'm using someone's credit card to go on vacation. She is taking everything slung at her and slinging it back at me. And now I have to respond with something low or walk away. I'm pissed. And she's like, but you're definitely gonna see her again. And I don't think you should come in hot. Okay. You should probably leave the your hair doesn't have shine thing at home.

[Heather]

It's not my fault when she goes into the gutter, I should understand. It's just the nature of her bowling ball hair. So Angie is like, I just want to be in a better place with her. And I don't know.

[Whitney]

I.

[Heather]

But I don't know how I'm going to react when I see her next. I'm like, spoiler alert. You will lose your mind. You will be standing up, and you'll be doing your slow finger point that you do. That is how you will do it.

[Whitney]

My.

[Heather]

It's always her slow, like, musical number, finger point, like, start the. It goes low and up and high. You shouldn't say that. Bowling ball.

[Whitney]

She. She does a circle, like she's stirring something from under a ball. And then she rolls her head, too, on the opposite way. It cracks me up every single time. She's like a little machine. Okay, so now. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

[Heather]

No, I was just going to elaborate on the motion of the finger point, but I decided I don't think we have to. It's an audio medium.

[Whitney]

Are you good?

[Heather]

I think I came with that. I think. I think an end. I think you. I think you ended at the perfect button. Yes.

[Whitney]

Oh. So then we go to Brittany and Whitney at Orchid Dynasty, shopping for plants, hopefully that they can't kill. So we go to this, and them trying to figure out plants is hilarious. She's like, I want a plant I can't kill. And Whitney's like, I have this one, and I don't know what it's called, but it's not dead. Oh, that's good. Thank you. Thank you, Whitney. Thank you.

[Heather]

I only have killed it now it's on the pole because it realized what it wanted to be. So Brittany's like, you know, after the.

[Whitney]

Rv, there's so much dirt in the living room now.

[Heather]

Justin, And I have been rolling around it on a tarp to make art. So Brittany says that after the RV trip, like, you know, her relationship with Whitney's been very tense. And, you know, she felt like when Lisa went after Whitney's business at the luncheon, she's like, I realized I had done the exact same thing, and I feel badly about it. Okay, so here are the things I feel badly about in order. I feel badly that Jared is mad at me. I feel badly that I was like Lisa. I feel badly that I didn't park very nicely, and it might be hard for the person next to me get to get in and out of their car. And then, let's see. I think the number six through nine is, I feel bad that I didn't DVR things. And then number 10.

[Whitney]

Oh.

[Heather]

I feel bad that I'm ignoring my daughter and her requests for what she wants out of me. Okay, moving on.

[Whitney]

Thank you for apologizing. I really appreciate it. And I feel really, really bad for what I said about you and Jared, because that's not me. I don't go to that level. I don't make fun of people for sucking dick. Well, except for jizz for jazz or, you know, the numerous times I've accused people of cheating on the show. But otherwise, no, it's not me. She's like, I know. And, you know, I have to say, I. I was shocked. I was just shocked. I mean, you might have been a bottle of wine presented to me right in front of my mother at my home. It was shocking. Shocking that you would do that.

[Heather]

So they go outside, they see more plants, and like, oh, Britney loves it. And so Whitney's like, so, are you and Jared still together? Because Britney says that Jared's helping her do stuff to her house. And so she's like, I thought you ended the engagement. She's like, oh, yeah, we're together. I mean, we. I mean, we did bend the engagement, but we're. We're still together. But what does that mean? Well, it means that we're, like, working towards getting engaged again. Britney, no, don't do that. He's so good to me, though. Like, we're really trying to take things slow in the name of our kids. And at this point, Britney has picked up a cactus, and for some reason, she is stroking the cactus, and she does it for the rest of the scene. There's, like, this little. Little baby, like, swarrow or something, and she has both of her fingers, and she just keeps, like, slowly jerking off this cactus. And I was like, this all makes sense. This is a woman who likes to inflict pain on herself. Okay, now I know why she's with Jared. It's the same reason why she is literally stroking a cactus, the least strokeable plant that there is, with her two fingers. Totally.

[Whitney]

But he's really good to me, you know? But do you know what Olivia wants from you? Who? Olivia. I'm sorry, who's that? Your daughter? Right, right. Oh, that one. Well, I think she just wants to see me be consistent with not choosing a man over her. But it's hard because I'm in such a good space with Jared. He only texted three other people this morning. I mean, he's really showing growth. He's shown so much growth.

[Heather]

Is that like. Is that like Olivia's hard, like, boundary? Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, it is. Like, she just wants you to stop dating for like a minute, but he's like, I'm not sure. Like, were you listening to Olivia when she was talking to you, Brittany?

[Whitney]

Maybe you should ask her, because think of the grand scheme of life. Is it really that hard to stop for a short period of time to prove that she's worth it?

[Heather]

Wow. I mean, that's a. That's a big ask if that's what she would really need, you know? I mean, I mean, what else could she want? I mean, I sing her songs from the Miss Saigon playbook every night, and I would think that's. That's more than enough for a daughter. Right.

[Whitney]

It's her or Me, which is one of the great songs from there. But it's kind of fitting. It's her or me. Britney. Think upon the words Britney. No offense, she should come first, even as an adult, because, you know, I've had my own ups and downs with my parents, especially my dad's wigs. And my mom and I were estranged for a very long time. I understand that mother daughter relationships are hard, but even when I wasn't talking to my mom, I never stopped loving her. I never stopped needing her or wanting her. Especially meeting her. Especially as we've.

[Heather]

You got this.

[Whitney]

This is a long line. This is a long. Hold on, hold on. That bush is telling me something. Did you hear it? It said, go back to the pole.

[Heather]

I did really have a lot of ups and downs with my parents, but mainly because I was up, going up and down on my pole. You know, it's hard. Why is it different latitudes from them?

[Whitney]

Why are you going up right and down right now? There's a pole in here, Whitney. That's holding planet. Why is your face bleeding? Oh, is it. Must be from coming from my hands. Why are your hands bleeding? Covered in blood. Britney's just standing there covered in blood, wiping her face. Like, oh, I just. Maybe that's a good point. But the thing I don't understand about this conversation is Olivia didn't tell her she had to stop dating Jared. But Whitney's like, yeah, now. Now you have to stop dating Jared for Olivia.

[Heather]

Well, here. First of all, I don't know if stopping dating Jared for a month is going to show anything to Olivia, because it sounds like they're so on and off that I don't. I don't think a month. A month is, like, not enough time. That being said, if. If Britney and Jared are in a good place like she claims, and if they really love each other enough that they're working towards engagement, I think he would be understanding. And not only understanding. I think he would encourage a break so that way she could repair her relationship with her daughter. And I don't. If he is not for that. Well, then I would say, then he's an but. We already know he's an but. Like, that's a red. That's another red flag for. For Brittany to think about.

[Whitney]

Yeah. And she's like, well, I want to be there for Olivia, and I want to be. Did somebody turn on a red light in here? The blood. It's in your eyes. Oh, I shouldn't have wiped my eyes.

[Heather]

It's not ice cream. Stop licking that cactus. It's not a cone, but it's so.

[Whitney]

Soft just rubbing it on her cheek. No, it's not. Your cheek is falling off. But I want to be there for Olivia. I want to be that rock like my mom was for me. But it's just kind of impossible because she doesn't make space for me. Like, what am I supposed to do? Just sit at home? I mean, she's not home. I'm alone. What happens if I'm alone? I'm just sitting there alone, all alone, watching my old Hallmark movies over and over again, again and again, thinking, that girl sure is pretty. I hope she gets someone before it's gonna too late. Brittany, your eyeball is hanging out of your eye.

[Heather]

When he just slaps her. Get a hold of yourself. And. And not the cactus.

[Whitney]

Wait a minute. Why are you. Why are you speaking to me upside down? Take a pull where you can get it.

[Heather]

Get off that ficus. So when he goes, give it. Give it 30 days and see what happens with Olivia. You know, it's like, think about your ups and downs. Jared's ups and downs. That's my thing. It's the pull whole dance of life. Think about your dating life. It's been messy. Sort of like your face with all that cactus blood on it. And you could use a break from rubbing the cactus on your face. Stop it. And if Olivia, if that's what she needs to see from you, then it should be a no brainer. That's how I live my life. Doing lots of no brainer things. I don't know why I do that. It's almost like I have no. Huh. Couldn't really see that line through line.

[Whitney]

And Brittany's just standing there, you know, bleeding, stroking the cactus. She's like, brittany, are you listening to me? Make an effort for your daughter. It might not ever. You might not ever have another chance. And Brittany's just standing there like characters down.

[Heather]

She literally says, brittany, put the cactus down. It's like a hostage situation. Please, I beg of you, put the. Put the cactus down. Let them out of the bank. Just think about your daughter. Come on. She puts her hands on her shoulders. She's like shaking her. It's your daughter. It's your daughter.

[Whitney]

A fly just lands on Britney's face as she stares off into space, not getting it at all. It's like, oh my God, Britney. Jesus.

[Heather]

Do you feel it? But let's be honest, Britney is not listening to anything Whitney says because she's like, do you feel it? It's your daughter. She's like, huh? It's your daughter. Don't you feel it inside? Inside your heart? Yes. Date Jared Moore. No, Your daughter.

[Whitney]

You might not ever have another chance to date. To date Jared. You're right. I need to call him right now. So we cut to commercial and then we go to Bronwyn's house. Okay, so Bronwyn, here we go. Bronwyn and Muzzy, Terrorist Muzzy, Awful human fucking being Muzzy. God, what a monster this lady is. Jeez.

[Heather]

You know she's a monster because she is literally standing over her latest conquest, which is deflating and packing up a literal monster. One of Bronwyn's like dinosaur blow up outfits. Because we see, see Muzzy and she's like, she. At first I thought she was like unfolding a dress and it was like a sort of tarpy as like it's a jacket and then you see claws come out of it. I was like, what the hell is Muzzy doing? And she's, and she's just folding it and then it Becomes clear. It's like, it's that inflatable dinosaur thing. And Muzzy is like, well, this looks like it was used for fun, so let's pack it away, because fun things don't have any use here in a household.

[Whitney]

Okay, we'll be burning this so you can't embarrass me anymore at the airport. Do you know how difficult it is for me to walk into the airport? Everyone says, oh, there's Muzzy's pregnant dinosaur daughter again.

[Heather]

So the. The comma. The comma brows are in full comma effect. They're upside down comma brows.

[Whitney]

And she looks like a McDonald's sign that's been hit by lightning. And it's just, like, split down the middle and, like, tilting over.

[Heather]

Like the arches fell in on themselves.

[Whitney]

No, the arches have, like, it's split down the middle, and now the arches are falling outwards from each other. They're like, all the way over here. Someone taped the arches back together.

[Heather]

They're almost like a quote that fell into itself. Like, we had our quotation marks, and then they fell forward towards each other. The point is, there are arch things that fell over. So Gwen and Gwen and her boyfriend walk into the foyer where Muzzy and. And Bronwyn are, and they announce that they're about to go bowling to their bowling league. And Bronwyn's like, you guys are lying. There is no bowling leave. They're like, yes, mother. Like, we go every Wednesday. Okay? Like, well, I don't see Lisa Barlow's hair. So unless I see that. And then I. Then I don't believe there's any bowling happening here.

[Whitney]

Yeah. So Brahm was like, yeah, they're lying. They're not going bowling, mother. Okay? They've been going for a couple of weeks. They keep saying, oh, we're in a bowling league. And I was asking them all these questions like, where'd you hear about the bowling league? And you know, and Moses like, oh, so they're having private time. Just those two in Satan curling up on a couch. I suppose you don't even care where his penis is at 10pm.

[Heather]

Well, that's got to freak you out, Mother. Huh?

[Whitney]

Just.

[Heather]

Well, they don't. They don't have enough space in the east wing, huh? Huh? I was like, well, can you imagine if I said to you, I'd like my boyfriend to live. Live with me at our. At our house? Can you imagine? She goes, wouldn't happen.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Heather]

She's like, yeah, that never would have happened.

[Whitney]

Failure.

[Heather]

You're a failure. You're a mother failure.

[Whitney]

So she talks about Gwen being very close to the same age that she was when she was pregnant. And so, you know, having her mom here and judging her how she parents. Gwen is really bringing up how much shame that she felt and how much maybe shame she still feels. And that Muzzy has this idea of what a perfect Mormon family looks like, and I'm just never gonna fit into that for her. I'm never gonna fit into that for her. Are you done folding that dinosaur? Buzzy, please, you're making me uncomfortable.

[Heather]

You know what, Muzzy? It really doesn't bother me.

[Whitney]

I know it doesn't bother you. That's why it doesn't bother her. She's following your example. So I hope you're ready for your kid to be stoned to death in the town square for being a. Because that's what you're raising.

[Heather]

Honey, let's be, let's be really careful how we say that, okay, Muzzy?

[Whitney]

No, I'm sorry. Is there a nicer way to say, okay, well, whatever example you're doing, she's copying. That's what's happening. She's copying you. Look at that little Bob. That little Bob slut walking out of here to go bowling.

[Heather]

Okay, let me just drop my chin to my clavicle slowly. And let's not whatever example like I'm out in the streets. Muzzy, I, I, I just set out to be very different with her. And I don't want any sneaking and stuff. I just want her to openly tell me, you know, you're doing it.

[Whitney]

No, I like that. But guess what? I like socialism too. Doesn't work. Yeah, it'd be great to have everything paid for. Doesn't work. Just like your parenting. Just like your parenting.

[Heather]

But did the way you parented me work because you didn't want me having sex? And news flash, I had a baby by myself, Muzzy. So it didn't stop me.

[Whitney]

No, not quite. Not quite. But not. Not because of a lack of effort, that's for sure.

[Heather]

BYU was trying to make sure I wasn't having sex, and you were trying to make sure I wasn't having sex. And guess what? It was happening no matter what. Yeah, I boned. I had a lot of boning. Vagina was open for business. Okay? It was a drive through. Lisa Barlow almost went through because she thought they were French fries. Everyone could go in there, Muzzy. Get used to it.

[Whitney]

It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappin's commercial. Well, I was Never once thinking about you doing that. Because I knew all along. You were taught you don't smoke, you don't drink, you don't have premarital sex. Sex. And I would have put my head on the chopping block that you would have not done any of those three ever. Really? It's not too late.

[Heather]

Yeah, not too late.

[Whitney]

Is that an offer, Mother? I know. I know you're a big fan of the tough love with me. Okay? I know. And I'm not a big fan of receiving tough love.

[Heather]

But you. But you see how better that works, right?

[Whitney]

Oh, it doesn't work any better, Muzzy. It doesn't.

[Heather]

Yeah, it doesn't. No.

[Whitney]

You know, I had a really. I had really hard days still. You know, I would not be jazzed if Gwen had a baby at the same time that I did. Mm. Mm. I would handle it very different, though. You didn't let me have a baby shower. You didn't. You weren't happy about it. You didn't let anybody be excited for me. And I was not to be celebrated, and it was not something to be excited about. Remember that? Remember that, Muzzy? She's like, that's right. That's right. I'd do it again.

[Heather]

And also, this is a good time to remind people that while this very serious conversation is happening, Muzzy is wearing a T shirt with some sort of cartoon figure whose eyes. Eyes are bulging out, saying, everything's fine. Everything's fine. Which I love. We talked about it on the trailer, and when I saw that T shirt again, I was like, oh, yeah. I mean, that's. It was like that. And that was clearly Muzzy, while Bronwyn was pregnant, talking to her friends like, hey, Muzzy, so I heard your daughter got a little knocked up.

[Whitney]

Everything's fine.

[Heather]

Everything's fine in the household.

[Whitney]

Everything's fine.

[Heather]

Everything's fine.

[Whitney]

My God. So Bronwyn says that she. You know, it was really difficult when she got pregnant because they were at a Baby Gap because both of Bronwyn's sisters were pregnant at the same time that she was. I mean, Utah, can we slow the fuck down? I mean, my God.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

What do they put in the water over there?

[Heather]

Jeez. We really don't need to have so many babies all at once, okay? And. Because also it leads to Baby Gap stories. Like, we don't need Baby Gap stories. But basically, Bronwyn's like, yeah, they went to the Baby Gap and her sisters were pregnant. And the salesperson was like, oh, are you having a little girl? They said that to Bronwyn. And Bronwyn had to say, no. She's talking like, we're going for my sisters. Basically, she's, oh, my God, I'm sorry. I thought you were pregnant and I shouldn't have assumed. And she's like, I am. And so then the lady, the salesperson said, so is grandma buying something for your baby also? And my mom said, no. That is wild.

[Whitney]

It is so cruel. Like, what this lady is so. I mean, it just gets worse and worse with her just wore. And she's just sitting there, proud as can be, nodding like, you bet your ass I did. Like, good. Good one, Muzzy.

[Heather]

Yeah, seriously.

[Whitney]

And just the whole level, just the whole layer of Bronwyn sisters also being pregnant, but being pregnant the right way while she's, like, having to go through it and being, like, left out while everybody else is getting to celebrate their babies makes this like ten times more disgusting.

[Heather]

I would like to see an update on that front. Personally, I like to see how. I like to see how everything.

[Whitney]

Yeah. If those girls are divorced or whatever, I hope they all disappointed Muzzy in some way.

[Heather]

That's the thing. I don't want bad. I don't. I don't want something bad to happen to those girls, but I want them to be the bigger disappointment. Because as far as I could tell, as you mentioned last week, Ron was doing well enough that. That. That's the place where Muzzy's living. So tell me.

[Whitney]

Yeah, Muzzy's fine to take her money. You know what I mean? She couldn't even buy her a fucking Baby Gap, but she's fine to spend all her money and live in her mansion, you know? Fuck Muzzy. I cannot stress this enough. Fuck Muzzy. This woman is terrible. I hate this lady. I hate her. I'm so triggered even watching her and her stupid little nods, like she's. Oh, yeah, you're right. I did. You're right, I did. Bronwyn monster. You're a monster of a woman. And I'm so glad that Bronwyn is bringing you on here to drag your ass, because Bronwyn's like, I don't even have to say anything. America will drag you for me. So come on, tv, mom.

[Heather]

That being said, I was like, deeply entertained by the scene. Not in like, oh, this is so funny. But it's more like, like. Like when you see someone like this, it was almost like stereotype. It's like, it's riveting and it's like a stereotype of like the evil mom I mean, she's got the eyebrows and everything, and. And that she kind of isn't cowed into softness. And, like, we. And, you know, actually, you know, we didn't mention there was also Reba. And. And Sutton is another great example of this. And, like, these evil moms come on. At least Reba had, like, they gave her, like, a little bit of a redemption moment. But these moms come on, and you just sort of see where all the damage comes from, and it's just like, wow. And I was like. I was like, this is like. It felt kind of like the sort of campy. It was like, in a certain way, Muzzy's almost campy. Just the way her presentation is and how evil she is. Like, if this were scripted, this would be, like, gay canon, right?

[Whitney]

So, yeah, like, Edie McClurg would play her in an 80s movie, you know, just being, like, the evil.

[Heather]

Like, the evil dragon acted out on stage. Right. But it's a reality show, so the fact that it's real is like, oh.

[Whitney]

Seriously. So Bronwyn is saying, you know, she tries to tell herself. She's tried to tell herself over the years that, you know, maybe Muzzy didn't mean to be horrible to her the way she's being, and maybe she meant it in a different way, or maybe she really loved her, but she was just giving her tough love. But now she's realizing she didn't misunderstand anything, you know, and she still thinks that when she got pregnant 20 years ago, that the most hurt person in that situation was the moment, you know? And so Muzzy's like, well, yeah, with daddy's position and where he was with his job at the temple. And she goes, yeah, yeah, it was embarrassing for Daddy. I get it. He worked for the church.

[Heather]

I get it.

[Whitney]

I get it.

[Heather]

She's like, but I. It also was, like, really about me and what I wanted to do, and I was really the last person considered in that. Which is like, it's crazy that, like, it's still about, like, oh, my God. But Dad. Dad had a position at the temple. How mortifying for a dad. It's like, you have a. Your daughter should be the priority. It's your daughter. So Muzzy's like, well, I give her.

[Whitney]

A cactus to stroke, please. I've never wanted a cactus so badly in here. Send it to Muzzy.

[Heather]

No, but Muzzy is the biggest victim, and she explains why. Well, I also felt like there were periods where, okay, Gwen's just dropped in my daycare, you know, there it is.

[Whitney]

I just have dwen now.

[Heather]

Bronwyn's like, I don't know what you're talking about. That Gwen was dropped at you. She goes, what are you saying? I was at work paying bills for her. She's like, well, what would have happened if I didn't take her? You would have been somewhere else. We didn't want her to go into foster care.

[Whitney]

Oh, really? Oh, really? Now it's foster care? Fuck off. What kind of grandmother doesn't help take care of their grandchild? What is wrong with you? I'm sure you took care of your other daughter's children all the time and had no problem with it.

[Heather]

Exactly. She's basically saying. She's not saying, we took care of Gwen because she's our granddaughter and we love her and we love you and family's most important family first. She's instead saying, well, we didn't want to take care of her, but we didn't want to go to foster care, so this is what we did.

[Whitney]

Which is like, yeah. She's saying, we had to take care of our daughter because you're a lazy nincompoop who made terrible decisions and you forced us to do all this stuff instead of, you know, Even if she worded this a little bit differently and said, you know what, Bronwyn? You make it out that I don't love my granddaughter. I helped raise your. My granddaughter. I loved her. I took care of her all the time. When you're like, I mean, if. Even if she did it that way, I could give her a little bit of credit. But the way she's turning it, like, oh, you fucking lazy idiot. Now, of course I had to take care of your illegitimate baby while you were, you know, off scrimping and saving.

[Heather]

She could have said, like, listen, something I think would be a very valid point, which is like, we were ready to start our new chapter of our lives. I mean, have you been listening to Heather Gay? And then all of a sudden, next thing you know, we're raising a baby again and we had to make sacrifices. And I. And I. I want you to also acknowledge that we had to make sacrifices. But, like, she's not saying that. She's basically saying, like. Like, you're lucky you had us. That's basically what she's saying, which is.

[Whitney]

Yeah, your kid would have been taken away. She's a mean, mean, mean witch. So Bronwyn's like, well, I would have worked a second job, you know that. I never would have let her go into foster care. Muzzy, that's really dark. She goes, oh, no, you never wanted her to be adopted. It was always, I'm keeping her.

[Heather]

I was like, what?

[Whitney]

What are you like?

[Heather]

Basically, Muzzy is saying like. Like, we tried to get her adopted away. We tried to put her on the market. Market was real good. Interest rates were great. And Braun was like, I have a lot of grace for the fact that you had never been in a situation of raising a child that was doing something so different than what you wanted.

[Whitney]

Them to do, especially the last one. You lose her.

[Heather]

You're doing your best. And just because I don't say, oh, you're so wonderful, you're so amazing, doesn't mean I don't think you are just busy being careful that you don't think you're so wonderful, that you're too good. That's it. I just wanted to make sure you were drop down a peg or 2 or 500.

[Whitney]

She is too good for this shit. And she should have your ass in a state run home in under five minutes. I cannot believe she's keeping you in this house. And I can't believe Todd is letting her. If, If. If I heard someone speaking to my partner like that, you would be out of there. You would be getting nothing from me. You're horrible, and you have a lot to repent for, ma'. Am. Shame on you. Shame. Shame on Muzzy. Nothing redeemable here. Shame.

[Heather]

Okay, well, and I.

[Whitney]

Like, she's trying to daughter Shane Bronwyn. When Bronwyn's daughter is doing great. She's in a stable relationship. She's at college. She's, like, happy. Maybe her mother's bob. Okay? She's copied her mother's bob. That's how much she loves her mother. Do you see Bronwyn around here trying to walk around like she's got the, you know, McDonald's arches that have been split by lightning covering the wrong sides of her face to look like you. No, Mazzy. Okay? I think Bronwyn wins in this situation.

[Heather]

When is doing great? She's on Wednesday nights. She's either bowling or having sex. Either way, she's playing with balls. And I think she is in a great position. So now we go. Since this is an episode about mothers, let's finally have our last mother scene. Cause mother icon Meredith Marks is here. Yeah.

[Whitney]

Okay, Sean. Okay, Sean.

[Heather]

So Angie and Meredith meet to get coffee. Which is odd because they've spent the past two years hating each other and screaming at each other. And Angie says, look, Meredith and I are no Laverne And Shirley, but we've been trying with each other. So I just want to make Meredith aware that Lisa's not the Laverne to her Shirley or the Hera to her Zeus, if you know what I'm saying.

[Whitney]

Cut to Meredith just shoving jars of caviar in her mouth one by one as her mouth gets bigger and bigger. Yeah, well, stop coming down the supply line.

[Heather]

We're gonna make it insult Lake.

[Whitney]

I love that Angie is just so transparent. She's like, oh, Lisa wants to get mad at me. I will make Meredith mad at her. I know.

[Heather]

She really is. So they walk in, and Meredith is like, schlemiel Schl has and Feffer Incorporated. Am I right? It's like, oh, I don't understand that. But anyway, you look good. How's your store? And Meredith is like, well, I'm going to renovate my store and make a very small. There's going to be a small jewelry store in the. In the. In the front. And in the back, there'll be an area for a bassinet where Brooks can go to sleep every night.

[Whitney]

Wow, that is a lot that has happened since I've seen you. So she tells her the story. She's in the salon. The girl comes in, gets some fresh Wolf products. And then Lisa tries to start a war with her over text. And Meredith is like, well, perhaps she needs a little bit of grace, because everything that ties back to kids, we all get very reactive. And surely you are. Remember the little snuffle up a goo that happened with my toddler. Do not speak about my toddler. I'm warning you right now.

[Heather]

And she's like, I'm just going to ignore that part and keep going forward. I don't want to hurt you, but in the past, when you and I were not really in a great place, Lisa was calling me and encouraging me to dig up information about family members and relatives of yours. And she was telling me, oh, Google this person, and here's their name, and this is how you spell it. And there's things out there about bankruptcy and shoplifting.

[Whitney]

Oh, really? Well, I'm sure that if you had looked, you would have found some excellent five bean recipes that require four people in a kitchen to make something out there. Guilty. Guilty.

[Heather]

Well, she wanted to intimidate so you would stop coming at me. And I didn't. And that's not who I am. I am a who owns seven Lunatic Fringes. Coming soon to NBC. Must See TV is back, baby. But obviously it was Lisa. That's who Lisa is. And Lisa is doing her research on everyone, true or not, and she's just going to keep it back here in case you come for her, and she will launch it like a bomb.

[Whitney]

Well, I just don't understand why she would tell somebody that I'm not getting along with and I'm getting along with her to go try and dig up dirt that isn't even true about not even me. But that would be hurtful to me, but also to my family. So she tells us that she doesn't really believe this shit from Angie. She's like, why am I going to believe Angie over this other lady who I'm friends with? I don't believe her. I'm going to. But I will be talking to her about it.

[Heather]

It's also. It's a funny thing to be like, just so you know, Lisa, she keeps things in her back pocket to throw out, like a bomb. And I'm going to show this to you by keeping something that I've had in my back pocket and throwing it at you like a bomb.

[Whitney]

Exactly.

[Heather]

This is the old Margaret Joseph. Beware of Margaret Joseph's. Because she keeps things in a vault. And then she's ready.

[Whitney]

Yeah. Oh, gosh. Well, here we go. So it looks like Lisa is off the hook for now for part of the season. And now we're going to move into Meredith versus whoever.

[Heather]

I don't know, because the preview looked like it was Angie yelling at. At Lisa, and Angie says, look, I know you're gonna tell Lisa, but that's okay because she said it word for word. I'm standing in my truth. So.

[Whitney]

Well, let's see what happens.

[Heather]

Let's see how it goes. A really good episode with camp and fights and drama and emotional stuff and real stuff. And a cactus.

[Whitney]

Yeah, you know, it was good because they didn't really rely on the, you know, fighting the whole time. They can't do that every episode, obviously. But a lot of. I feel like a lot of shows, and especially Housewives shows, tend to dip when they're not really doing that and when we have to go do their home scenes and people are struggling so hard to come up with something to talk about in their home scenes. And this one, they all just have such actual fascinating things happening. You know, the Muzzy and Bronwyn thing is crazy and interesting to watch and more relatable, probably, than the Monica thing because a lot of us have mothers that we can kind of relate to that in a way. And then there's the Whitney going back to the pole thing. Fascinating.

[Heather]

Stuff that was probably the realest moment that spoke to us.

[Whitney]

The Mary and her church stuff is still endlessly fascinating to me. And then also the Britney storyline of just not getting this whole thing about why her kids hate her is, yeah, it's sad, but it's also. It's like sad, larious. You know what I mean? You almost wonder somebody be this stupid.

[Heather]

And like, you almost wonder, like, with someone like Muzzy, was there someone, God forbid, like Whitney, but was there someone in her life saying, look, you need to put this aside and be a better mom to your daughter right now? And was she just not able to hear it? Because we. Because we see, we see that Britney is not hearing what Whitney is saying. We give Whitney a lot of shit, but Whitney was being absolutely right. Whitney was like, this is your daughter. You have to prioritize. You have to make sacrifices for your daughter. You have to. I mean, there are a lot of times we're on this podcast, we're like, oh, God, that kid is just a whiny brat. You can't, like, they just have to like, you can't give up everything for your child. But in a situation like this, it's like, you have to and you want. And you can see Britney, you can see the hamster wheel not really moving. The hamster wheels never really moved for Britney. And you have to wonder, was this the same. Did this happen to some of these other toxic moms we've come across on this show?

[Whitney]

I mean, I think with Muzzy, you know, just coming from a really religious family, I saw this all the time. People like that, you know, whose daughters got pregnant. And it was. I saw a couple of good examples, you know, one was a family member. And it was. It was like the shame of that side of the. They were just like, oh, it was this huge thing. There was so much shame involved. And they eventually came around, but, you know, Muzzy never came around. And then there was another one that was like, okay, we're going to deal with this. And there was a special school in El Paso for pregnant girls. So I'm sure it's still there, like a high school. So, I mean, it happened a lot. So just watching all the different things, but in a super religious household, no, I'm sure that Muzzy was surrounded by people where she felt completely justified. You know, it's like, those are. Those are the rules and anything against that is anti God. And we have to impress the, you know, impress everybody because your dad is working at the temple and all of this other Stuff, and that comes over your kids and your family and everything else. And it's just. It's disturbing. I can't believe it still has such a hold on people, really. Religion to that extent. I don't mean religion in general. I don't think religion's horrible. You know, I've seen it do a lot of good as well. But to the extent where people are, like, getting rid of their own family and judging their own family to the point where they have no relationship with them is just.

[Heather]

Or just more broadly, when people do shitty, shitty things in the name of religion, when a lot of times the religion actually does not stand for those things. Not sure a religion stands for, like, shaming your daughter or making your daughter feel like shit. And then there's just.

[Whitney]

Well, a lot of them do. I mean, it depends on. I mean, it depends on how literally you read the text of that religion. You know, some people are very hippie about it. It's like, I'm. I'm religious, but I just believe in love, man. And, you know, like, have premarital sex. And, you know, there are, like, certain things that are accepted now just because it's the modern age and people just ignore it. It's like, I'm still. I'll still go to church every Sunday, but I'll do everything the Bible is telling me not to do. And they're okay with it, and they're fine with it. And then some people are very literal about every little thing. It's like, you had premarital sex, you and your baby are going to hell, you know?

[Heather]

Yeah, well, it's like, I feel like a lot of religions, generally broad strokes, are really about finding peace and getting along with people and giving spiritual guidance. But there are definitely, like, archaic elements in. In, like, all the different various scriptures that, like, people cherry pick, which are the ones that don't feel relevant anymore versus which are the ones that actually support their worldview that they just are too lazy to want to change. And it's actually really sad. And it's really sad that this really affects so much of people's lives and people's rights to just live as who they are and.

[Whitney]

No. Yeah, it's like, what's going on in this country right now. It's absolutely insane that you've got people who are leading the government standing up there, like, let's lead a group prayer at this governmental meeting with cops. Like, what?

[Heather]

The broken therapy might be back, you know.

[Whitney]

Cuckoo. Yeah, it's just. It's cuckoo. So I think it's you know, a brainwashing. It's brainwashing and people should get the fuck away. But anyway, thanks for joining us here at Watch with Crop Ends. It was a pretty good episode of Salt Lake City and fun to talk to you guys. We'll be back in a couple of days with Double Housewives Miami and Orange county and then we'll be back Monday with an Amazon live. So check out information there at our link in bio at our Instagram Watch what crappens and we'll talk to you next time.

[Heather]

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