#3031 RHOM S7E19 Part 1: To All the Haitian Morticians I Loved Before

Summary

Watch What Crappens, Ep #3031 – RHOM S7E19 Part 1: “To All the Haitian Morticians I Loved Before”

Date: October 10, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Main Theme / Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie dive into the explosive Part 2 of the Real Housewives of Miami Season 7 reunion, reveling in its chaos, iconic moments, and jaw-dropping revelations. Kicking off with real-world Bravo news—the arrest of Wendy Osefo and Eddie—they transition into an in-depth, play-by-play breakdown of the Miami reunion’s drama, focusing on the bombshell about Julia’s affair(s), Adriana’s blackmail allegations, surreal gift-giving to lovers, and all the wild, sidesplitting moments that only Miami can deliver. Throughout, they bring their familiar tone of sharp observation, affectionate mockery, and infectious laughter.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Breaking Bravo News: Wendy & Eddie Arrested

• [04:16–14:44]
  • Ben and Ronnie open stunned by “shocking” real-life housewife headlines: Wendy Osefo (“Dr. Wendy”) and husband Eddie’s fraud arrest.
  • Ben details the case: "They were arrested today because it turns out the jewelry was not stolen, but it was returned from where it was purchased. So now both of them have been arrested for insurance fraud and reporting a false burglary." [05:13]
  • Ronnie calls out the mugshots: "They both look high as fuck. First of all, they look like someone came to pick them up in the middle of the night...Wendy's smiling like the Joker." [09:10]
  • They discuss Housewife crime lore, compare to others: “Listen, I think everybody should get arrested. I’m never shocked when a housewife gets arrested. I’m surprised how many haven’t been arrested.” – Ronnie [08:21]
  • Humor ensues around Wendy’s mugshot resembling the “Smile” movie poster, meme potential, and the “high ground” lost.

2. RHOM Reunion: All-Time Classic

• [14:59–18:26]
  • Ben hypes up the episode: “This is one of the classics. This is one of the funniest ones.” [15:13]
  • They implore listeners not watching Miami to catch up—praising the comedy and intensity.
  • Ronnie highlights how Miami’s cast defies victimhood: “There are so many things that would traumatize other housewives and make it like, they could be such victims about it… and they're not.” [15:58]
  • Laughter is contagious: the ensemble can’t keep straight faces, even at their own drama.

3. The Adriana & Julia Bombshell: Affair Exposed

• [19:03–34:04] - The segment kicks off as Julia claims she and Adriana slept together on a Hamptons trip, causing the group to react in disbelief. - Memorable exchange:
  • Adriana denies sex in the Clintonian sense: “No, I don’t have a dick. I can’t have sex.” [31:01]
  • Andy (facepalming): “You could have sex without a dick.” [31:18] - Ben and Ronnie dissect the layers of denial, laughter, semantics (“sleep together”), and the shifting burden of blame. - “Each side of the couch is on one side… the things that were coming out of both Julia and Adriana's mouths were so crazy that even their teams had to be like, wait, what?” – Ronnie [17:23] - Julia frames herself as a victim of Adriana’s manipulation, while Adriana counters with claims of loyalty and “bringing” Julia to the show. - Notable meta-moment: Andy’s evolution as a deadpan reunion moderator, delighting in the absurd specifics like “coffee maker” gifts. [18:26]

4. Alleged Blackmail and Manufactured Victimhood

• [24:44–29:33]
  • Julia accuses Adriana of holding their tryst over her head and psychologically abusing her (“I was living in mental psychological abuse by Adriana for two years.” [24:47]).
  • Ronnie and Ben find Julia’s victim narrative not credible, given her on-screen behavior.
  • Adriana says Julia’s claims are a play for sympathy and claims credit for Julia’s opera storyline: “I gave you the opera idea.” [30:07]
  • They highlight hypocrisy: both women posture as victims and manipulators in turn.

5. Confusion over “Affair” Definitions

• [31:08–34:33]
  • Andy, the cast, and even the hosts debate whether “sleeping together” means sex, scissoring, or merely sharing a bed.
  • Stephanie chimes in: “It’s called scissoring.”
  • Ronnie cackles over the absurdity: “I never scissored anybody. I never censored anyone!” [31:45]
  • The group votes on whether they believe an affair occurred, with hands going up and laughter erupting.

6. Gift-Giving, Multiple Affairs, and Appliance Lore

• [50:15–53:10]
  • Adriana spills: Julia had affairs with a Haitian mortician (to whom she gifted a coffee maker) and a cop (waffle iron). Hilarity ensues: “She gave a lemon zester to an off duty nurse.” – Ben [51:16]
  • The appliance gifting becomes a meme within the recap—Ben: “Basically, Julia’s like a Cuisinart ambassador, but also like a wildly sexual being.” [51:37]
  • Julia, when pressed, admits to multiple affairs, claiming Martina knows and trying to frame herself as honest now, though the hosts are skeptical.

7. Who’s the Real Villain? Victim vs. Villainy

• [53:10–56:41]
  • The argument turns to who is more malicious: Julia for publicizing, Adriana for threatening.
  • Julia attempts to justify her revelations (“I'm bringing this up because this was a mistake…”), but the hosts relish the mess and question her accountability.
  • Ronnie: “You have zero leg to stand on, ma'am, when you just brought this up to be malicious to her.” [53:14]
  • Andy asks if Julia is in an open relationship; she says no, but continues joking about gifting kitchen appliances to lovers.

8. Julia Roberts “Fan” Segment

• [55:41–57:05]
  • Ben and Ronnie gleefully roast Julia Roberts’ appearance on Watch What Happens Live, suspecting she isn’t a true Miami fan because she calls Adriana “the recipient of it.”
  • “If you do not know Adriana’s name, you cannot tell us that you were a Miami fan.” – Ben [56:41]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "They both look high as fuck… Wendy’s smiling like the Joker." – Ronnie (09:10)
• "Countess Luann is still the high watermark for mugshots. Not just for Bravo, but maybe for society." – Ben (09:30)
• “This is one of the classics. This is one of the funniest ones.” – Ben (15:13)
• "Do you mean, like, sleeping, like -- sleep, sleep? Or like, sleeping, like, sex?” – Gertie impression by Ben (20:27)
• “No, I don’t have a dick. I can’t have sex.” – Adriana, quoted by Ronnie (31:01)
• "She gave a lemon zester to an off-duty nurse." – Ben (51:16)
• “Is it an affair if she also enriches your kitchen?” – Ben (51:54)
• “You have zero leg to stand on, ma'am, when you just brought this up to be malicious to her. Sorry.” – Ronnie (53:14)
• "If you do not know Adriana’s name, you cannot tell us that you were a Miami fan." – Ben (56:41)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:16–14:44] – Wendy & Eddie Osefo arrest news, absurd Bravo mugshot comparisons
• [14:59–18:26] – RHOM Reunion setup and critical acclaim
• [19:03–34:04] – The Julia/Adriana affair reveal, laughter, and reactions
• [24:44–29:33] – Julia’s blackmail/psychological abuse claims, Adriana’s counterclaims
• [31:08–34:33] – Debating what actually qualifies as an "affair"
• [50:15–53:10] – Appliance-gifting revelations and the Haitian mortician story
• [53:10–56:41] – Arguments over who’s more malicious and open relationships
• [55:41–57:05] – Playful Julia Roberts “fan” conspiracy and Housewife pop culture

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Episode Tone & Final Thoughts

The episode is fast-paced, relentlessly funny, and exceedingly referential, packed with Bravo lore, inside jokes, and genuine enthusiasm. The hosts’ banter emphasizes just how wild, boundary-pushing, and contagiously entertaining Miami’s reunion—and Bravo in general—can be. The recurring theme: these shows are high comedy and high drama, worthy of wider recognition.

Stay tuned for Part 2, as the guys promise more recaps, revelations, and kitchen-adjacent adultery.

Transcript

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[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Ben.

[Ben]

Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

[Ronnie]

Good. Everybody, welcome to Real Housewives of Miami reunion part two. Here we go. Very big day. If you want us on video, you find Crappens on [e-mail] it's also where you find our bonus episodes. This week we did some online shopping together. And also every other Monday, we do crappy hour. On the Mondays. We're not doing that. We are doing Amazon live crappy hours at 5:30 Pacific Time and Amazon Live is at 4:00pm Pacific Time. This coming Monday is when we'll be doing the Amazon Live. So if you want to watch a shop and see what we're buying, it's et cetera. That's where to do it. Find information in our link in bio on Instagram and that's it. Are you ready for this completely bonkers day?

[Ben]

I am absolutely ready for this. Miami re. Oh.

[Ronnie]

Oh, no. Oh.

[Ben]

What. What is happening? Oh, it's a press conference. What could it be? Oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

What could be happening in the world?

[Ben]

Wait, looks. It looks like. It looks like Wendy Acifo is coming to a podium to discuss something. Dr. Wendy, What? What happened? What. What is. What's the announcement here?

[Ronnie]

I have been wrongfully arrested. Seven counts of fraud, 16 charges. Something or other. Something about Birkin bag saying they were stolen. They were stolen. Okay? They were stolen. I don't know why they're coming after me. Wendy and Happy Eddie were arrested. Arrested Ed.

[Ben]

Arrested. Arrested. This is shocking. I woke up. I woke up to this. They were. This is the first thing I read when I woke up. I'm not even joking. There was an email. I looked at it. I was like, wendy and Eddie arrested. Booked on criminal fraud charges. Apparently the long and the short of it is that last year they claimed they were robbed. I don't remember if we discussed this on happy hour. A crappy hour or not. I Think maybe we did. Was this minor headline that Wendy and Eddie were robbed of about 20,000 or $26,000 of, like, jewelry or whatever. And then they were arrested today because it turns out the jewelry was not stolen, but it was returned from where it was purchased. So now both of them have been arrested for insurance fraud and reporting a false. False burglary.

[Ronnie]

Well, first the ring. She. She said some of her jewelry was. And by the way, this is all information we're getting from TMZ and stuff, so who knows? But so far, what we know is. Yeah, what you said that they. They were robbed. They said all this stuff was stolen. It was a lot of Birkin bags and jewelry. There was a picture of her wearing the ring that she said was stolen in a post after. Which is not very smart, Wendy. It also reminds me of Kyle Richards when Kyle Richards was like, oh, I got all this jewelry stolen. And people were like, you're still wearing that jewelry. And she's like, I had it remade. And where there was all that. And then she thought she saw her mom's ring on a boardwalk of a psychic. Like, a psychic on a boardwalk. She saw the ring and then was accusing the psychic of stealing the ring. I mean, something crazy. But anyway, that was then. This is now. So apparently, she was wearing this ring that she said was stolen in a post, and that a bunch of Birkin bags and stuff that she claimed were stolen. She had returned to the stores and gotten receipts for these purchases. It's pretty crazy. The amount is. God, it's like, $450,000. They claimed, like, $450,000 in stolen stuff, so that's pretty big. Yikes. Y. I had read another number.

[Ben]

Know, this is crazy. I read another number that said 20,000, but maybe that was a different thing. But that was from a different article. Doesn't matter. The point is. This is wild. I am actually genuinely shocked because I just. I did not see this happening with these two. Call me naive. I always felt like they talked up. She always talked up a big game. Like, I never believed that Happy Eddie was, like, as successful as she always claimed it was. And, like, really, it was just, like, three, four, four or five days ago that she's on the premiere saying, like, Happy Eddie is doing so well that, like, they're gonna be, you know, looking to do, you know, they're gonna expand in other states and, wow, they have money. And so to see that these two who are like, I don't know. I just. It seemed like these two, actually, despite the fact that Like, Wendy would, like, often embellish things. It seemed like these two really had their head on their shoulders. And I wasn't just did not see crime as part of their timeline.

[Ronnie]

I didn't either. I was. No, I was completely shocked. And listen, I think everybody should get arrested. I'm never shocked when a housewife gets arrested. I'm surprised how many haven't been arrested. Like Howard, Dorit and PK still walking around. I don't believe Kyle Richards either. And all of her burglaries and Teddy's and all of that. There's like so many weird burglaries that I just. I've never really completely bought that. I'm surprised that most of them aren't in jail, but this one, I was actually very surprised. I didn't believe it. I saw it the first thing I saw in the morning. Like, you. Because we're housewives people. So of course our texts are inundated. You know, there's the tags. We're inundated with this news. And I clicked on it. And of course the first place I went was Reddit because, you know, that's my Bible. And so I went on there and I saw and I did not believe it. The pictures look fake. I mean, the pictures.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Wendy is. They both look high as fuck. First of all, they look like someone came to pick them up in the middle of the night. They were watching, you know, the Ed Gaines show and laughing their asses off, you know, monster or whatever. Just laughing their asses off. High on their own supply. They look crazy. Wendy's smiling like the joker.

[Ben]

Yeah. She's take some lessons from Countess Luann, though. Like. Like Countess Luann is like, still the high watermark for, like, mug shots. Not just for Bravo, but, like, maybe for society. Like, that countless mug shot was continues to be perfection. Wendy is more like there's. It feels like like the movie poster for Smile. I'm like, oh, is something going to attack me now? Yes.

[Ronnie]

Yes. I love. Like, people are actually making movie posters of Smile with Wendy on the COVID which is really fun. Are they a lot of meme. Yes. A lot of memes going, oh, wow, that's so funny.

[Ben]

I didn't even see that.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's.

[Ben]

It's just.

[Ronnie]

It's a lot. It's a lot. I didn't believe it. And Eddie just looks stoned as. I mean, he really looks crazy. So this was bad. I will. It does look good for their weed because, you know, one of the side effects for weed can be paranoia. I Mean, I don't even smoke weed anymore. I'll take a gummy occasionally or whatever. But I used to be a huge pothead. I mean, every day, multiple times a day, for years and years, decades. And I kind of slowed down on that. And then when I went back to it, I got the paranoia back again, so strong. And I don't think that they have that in the Happy Yeti strain, because these two look high as fuck and they are enjoying the hell out of this. They look like this is the funniest night of their life. So I'm hoping that there's been some kind of mistake, obviously, because Wendy can be an obnoxious sometimes, but I think ultimately she's funny and she's earned her place on this show. And I really like having someone have the high ground on a housewife show. I feel like she's got the high. She's had the high ground for a long time where she can.

[Ben]

She's on high ground right now.

[Ronnie]

But I've enjoyed her judgy, moral high ground. So I see her lose it, But.

[Ben]

I actually hate this for them. I had a few, like, immediate thoughts. First of all, I mean, this is Bravo. So we have to come on this Wendy.

[Ronnie]

Yes.

[Ben]

Her smile looks a little crazy. She looks like she's 24. Like, great. Like, who knew that a mug shot lighting was really, like, her best friend? I mean, she looks so young.

[Ronnie]

Second of all, I felt so natural. Like, really, she looks great. I mean, we know. We all know she's had a million surgeries because she did it on the show. You know, she came back with a million surgeries. But, I mean, they've really settled. I mean, she looks great.

[Ben]

I. In fact, she looks so young that when I saw these pictures, I thought, oh, is this, like an archival arrest that they just dug up? That's how old. That's.

[Ronnie]

That.

[Ben]

That's how young I thought she looked. I did think about. I felt like we're actually genuinely. Like, I felt really bad gutted for those kids. Like, I felt like. I mean, really just that my heart broke for them because this is not easy for the. You know, for kids. And then. And then I thought of Wendy's mom, and I was like, oh, man. First I thought Killer Susan's her name, right? She was. I was like, oh, she's gonna destroy Wendy. And then I thought, what if Wendy's mom is actually the one behind this? Like, what if Wendy's mom is the one who, like, returned the stuff and they're taking the fall for Wendy's mom, Because I'm not going to rule that one out either. I feel like Wendy's mom would be like, I'm the mother. You go to jail for your mother after everything I did for you?

[Ronnie]

She has all the purses. She's, like, sitting on couches made out of Birkin bags. Yeah, I don't know. I'll bet the mom blames Eddie's mom, though.

[Ben]

Oh, 100%.

[Ronnie]

I have to say, I have a question, because you stole wicks. Are you a wick stealer?

[Julia]

Candle stealer. Hello, this is Karen, you guys. I'm here to make my first post jail appearance here at this press conference.

[Ben]

And I just would like to say.

[Julia]

That to Wendy, jail, it's not for the. It's not for the small witch. If you've got three wicks, you're never gonna survive. You're gonna need five wicks to get through the pen, to get through the hen house, to get through Sing Sing. So good luck to you because it's not gonna be easy, Wendy.

[Ronnie]

Oh, man. Crazy. Well, I guess we'll. I just see what happens. I'm. I'm assuming all the camera people in Potomac are scrambling this morning getting over to Wendy's house.

[Ben]

Oh, my God. Seriously? They really. They really have their hands full over there in that county. I'm not gonna lie.

[Ronnie]

So.

[Ben]

So the headline that. The email that I saw this morning, someone has sent us an email that forwarded in a. An article. And so the. The headline, the article said, real Housewives star husband charged in Maryland with fraudulently reporting burglary, theft. I'm not gonna lie. My first thought was, well, Juan Dixon. I was like, this has got to be Juan Dixon. You know, he's like. I was like, down on his luck. You know, I think he's. Does he. Is he coaching or whatever? So in my mind, I was like, it's probably someone who's like, not on the show anymore. They're scrambling. So I thought Juan Dixon. I don't know if there was anyone else that I like. Maybe I didn't. I didn't feel like it would be Chris Samuels. I feel like Chris Samuels has a lot of money. So in my mind, I was like, oh, God, this is going to be a Juan Dixon story. And then to see that it was Wendy and Eddie. I was shakak.

[Ronnie]

Shocked. Shak.

[Ben]

I was Shak.

[Ronnie]

Well, the whole situation is Shaka. So I guess, you know what? We're just gonna have to wait and see what happens. Okay. Maybe it's Been a miss. Big misunderstanding.

[Ben]

Who can't wait to see this play out on Potomac. It's gonna be great. And you know what's going to be great about it, Karen, is like, I'm off.

[Ronnie]

Look.

[Ben]

So next. Next season of Potomac, it's gonna be a doozy. I'm already excited.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So. Wow. Okay. Well, here we go. That's not the only thing happening in the world. Real House was Miami Part 2 had one of the best reunions ever of all time. Probably right?

[Ben]

I watched. No, it was 100. I. Like, I was. I. I don't think I've ever laughed as much through it. Everyunion episode as. As I did last night, I was like, this is one of the classics. This is one of the funniest ones.

[Ronnie]

This is.

[Ben]

It's like, there's no use proselytizing while we're doing the Miami recap, because most people who don't watch Miami, I'm assuming, are not listening to our Miami recap. But if for some chance, you just are listening and you don't watch Miami, like, you, like, the way that you were missing out is. Is so deep and so hard because this reunion episode, like, we don't even deserve this reunion episode. It was. It was just that funny. It was that amazing, really, really solid.

[Ronnie]

Solid work all around. And I just like that there are so many things that would traumatize other housewives and make it like, they could be such victims about it. I mean, Adriana basically just got outed. First of all, like, you can't. Like, we're in 2025. You're not supposed to be outing people, you know, like, stuff like that. There's, like, a lot that people could be victims over, and they're not. They're just like, you know what? No fudge. You okay? You fudged with a Haitian mortician and had to buy him a coffee maker.

[Ben]

Like, it's just. There were just so many moments, like, did you have sex? No, I don't have a dick. The way also that they would cut to various women on the sofas laughing. Like, Alexia would laugh. Or Stephanie was like, losing was. Was. Was dying with laughter. It was like an old fashioned sitcom with, like a laugh track, you know, like the reason why you have a laugh track there is like, when you're watching, it's like, oh, that was funny. It's like, oh, yeah. Other people found that funny too. And now it's even funnier to me. And like, that's kind of how this episode was. Like, every time I saw them laughing. I would just start to laugh too, because it was, like, contagious for me.

[Ronnie]

No one can keep a straight face. And you've got both sides of the couch, right? You've got. Each side of the couch is on one side, right? There's like, Team Adriana on one side, and then you've got Team Gertie on the other. I mean, not Team Gertie, but it's.

[Ben]

More like Team Julia and Team Anti. Julia.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you've got Team Julia on the other side, and the teams are trying to fight for their team, Right? So whenever something would happen, you know, where Julia was accused of something, they'd be, no, no, no, no. Like, like, that's not true. Like, but what about you? Like, and then same for Audrey on Find. But the things that were coming out of both Julia and Adriana's mouths were so crazy that even their teams had to be like, wait, what? Like, they had to keep stopping in the middle of their defense because. Too crazy. Like, how am I standing up for this person right now?

[Ben]

It was. It was so remarkably funny. Like, it was like, these are these moments where I get, like, on my soapbox about, like, these shows are brilliant. These shows are so deeply hilarious, and, you know, like, they deserve more respect by, like, wider pop culture. And I know we don't.

[Ronnie]

Nobel Peace Prize. Where's the Nobel Peace Prize for these ladies? You know?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

People are fighting over the Nobel Peace Prize over there. It's like, give it to them.

[Ben]

And I. You know, I have to say, I. I have to really applaud Andy's growth as a reunion moderator over the past, like, 15 years. Because what's so funny is that someone will make a claim. I'm just like, I don't have a specific example here. I'm gonna try to make one up. And Andy is now become someone who's so good at a deadpan question where, like, if Adriana's, like, she had to give him a coffee maker, and you'll be like, wait, wait, wait. The coffee maker? What type of coffee maker was it? Like, he'll like some question with a straight face that is like, a troll question. He does it so often, and, like, he's just become so good at that.

[Ronnie]

I know there's so many questions he could ask, and he's like, wow, coffee, huh? Like, what kind of coffee maker? All right, well, let's get into it, because there's a lot. There's a lot to unpack here, as Andy would say. So we pick up where we Left off, which is where Julia's like, andy, I know something that you don't know, but Adriana knows in. I would like to bring clarity. In the Hamptons, Adriana and I slept together. Don't. Don't, don't. Everyone's like, what? And Adriana just starts laughing her ass off. And then after she said, wait a minute. You're married? You're married, Lisa Hochstein. How could she?

[Ben]

I already knew that this. What. What Julia was saying was true by Adriana's strange laugh, because Adriana is the queen of. Like, I didn't do that. I didn't say that. Like, that's 100. What she. So the fact that, like, she had no response for this, so she had to do, like, a. Like, a casual laugh, like, oh, this is ridiculous. I was like, okay, Adriana's busted. This 100 happened. And in fact, we know what happened.

[Ronnie]

I was gonna say, we know what happened. Not really.

[Ben]

Denied.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. No, no. Well, I mean, it's. You know, it's the Bill Clinton thing. Like, what is sex? Yeah, you know, what is it?

[Ben]

What is it really depends on what the definition of is is.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, what's the definition is? So Gertie's like, wait, does she mean, like, sleeping? Like, sleep sleep? Or does she mean, like, like, what kind of sleeping this could be? Like, I need clarity. I need clarity.

[Ben]

You mean, like, sex like, sex? Or, like, sleeping like, sex, like. Like, sex like, but what if. If someone's not a basketball player, is it considered sex still? Like.

[Ronnie]

But was it just, like, with feet? Like, because that doesn't, like, count. Like. Like, I feel like feet doesn't count.

[Ben]

Like, although you can count on your feet. Like, I do that on my videos. Like, so. And he's like. And he's like, so you two slept together during the cast trip to the.

[Julia]

Hamptons four years ago.

[Ben]

So we see a flashback to 2021, and the. The scene where Adriana got naked in the bathtub and everything, and they were.

[Ronnie]

All over each other that whole trip and feeding each other and getting each other up against walls and kissing each other and. Yeah, so we see all that. And Kiki's like, wait, was it after the engagement? No, it was before our friendgagement.

[Julia]

It was before.

[Ronnie]

So now we see the flashback of the friend gagement, of her being like, adrianna de Mora promised me you will be my best friend forever. And everybody clapping. And so it was before the friend gagement, and Lisa's like, make it make sense. I was ashamed.

[Julia]

I was embarrassed.

[Ronnie]

I still Am. Oh, please. You're so embarrassed that you just adopted two little boys and have your wife over there taking care of them and then come on national TV and talk about how you've been around. Are you nuts? Are you crazy? What is wrong with you?

[Ben]

Well, I, I, actually, I, it's funny because I believe this. I, I kind of believe both of them, honestly. I think they both are telling the parts of the story that best serve them. I do believe that they hooked up. I do believe it made things weird. I do believe Adriana became. I do 100 believe Adriana is the type that would say, you know, if you be friends, be friends with Alexia. I'm gonna tell everyone that this happened. Like, I 100 believe that. But I, and so I, I, I can imagine that, that, that is something. But I also believe, Adriana, that Julia probably did have some other affairs going on. I mean, no. What no one brought up, which I was shocked about, was that it was like, two seasons ago when Lars is, like, my friend. Like, Julia saw you, like, kissing and mad, like, in a hotel. Like, I was like, we've already had this storyline, in fact, so I was surprised they didn't circle back to that.

[Ronnie]

I was, too, actually, because, yeah, that makes that seem a lot more true these days. So Julia's like, by the way, Martina knows, but why are you bringing it up then? Why are you bringing it up? No one has even know that. What are you doing? Like, what are you going to do? Like, hire her a vocal coach and try to make her an American Idol star now, Lenny. Because that's what Len's up to with his newest Russian that he's. He's procured for himself.

[Ben]

He's.

[Ronnie]

He's got her vocal lessons and posting on Instagram videos of her.

[Ben]

Great.

[Ronnie]

She's just like, oh, my God.

[Ben]

It'S massive.

[Ronnie]

Singing the rose.

[Ben]

I'll just have everyone sing the rose this year.

[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

So Julia's like, for one reason, I.

[Julia]

Was living in mental psychological abuse by Adriana for two years.

[Ben]

And Gertie's like, oh, wow. And everyone's like, oh, you guys are, like, being very insensitive because. Because Gertie, Lisa, and Adrian. Adriana just, like, laugh at, like, oh, this is like, please.

[Ronnie]

Oh, please. Julia walking around sticking your tongue down everybody's throat all the time, doing this stuff on camera all the time. I'm so sure you were mentally and psychologically abused. Give me a break.

[Ben]

Well, this is. Julia loses it. Because I think for sure, Adriana made her life hell about it. I, I, I don't doubt that at all. But, like, where Julia should. Julia should have told the story and said, I'm bringing this up because this was. This was a mistake on my part to go down this path with Adriana, and it made our friendship forever weird. And we tried to act like it was fine, but it wasn't.

[Ronnie]

And.

[Ben]

And it introduced an element of. Of intimacy that got in the way of the friendship, and it snowballed, and now this is where we are now. Like, that's what she should have said, but instead she's like, we made out, and now I'm abused. It's like, oh, no. Like, for sure, say that Adriana held it over your head. But, like, you're. It's like, it's like you can't really take anyone's side. I feel like, because you see them say one thing, that feels like the truth, and then they say at the.

[Ronnie]

Same time, I take sides. I take Adriana's side for sure on this. I don't believe Julia for two seconds. Julia. We've seen Julia come on to every single person on this show, try to make out. Try to make it that she's, like, having sex with multiple people all the time. That's, like, her vibe on the show, and that doesn't mean that those kinds of people. I'm not. I guess that can sound problematic. It's not that nothing could happen to her, but we've seen, like, the clip we just saw of her and Adriana in the Hamptons. It does not look like she's trying to make it sound like she was in a bad place with Martina, and Adriana took advantage of her is what she's.

[Ben]

Yeah, see, that I don't like, and I didn't like that at all.

[Ronnie]

Where it's going off the rails for me. She's like, Trying to make herself, like, this super victim of this super predator Adriana, which, if we've seen anybody with predator vibes, it's Julia on this show.

[Ben]

Well, I don't. I don't know necessarily about predator vibes, but what I do think, though, is that Julia sort of, like, leaning into, like, I was, you know, manipulated, or that she's, like, a victim in this situation. I don't think either of them are really a victim. I think they're just both consensus.

[Ronnie]

Predator is a strong word. I guess I'm saying it in Alien vs. Predator in comparison. You know what I mean? She's trying to make Adriana sound like a predator. And I'm. I'm just saying, like, if anyone's been aggressive sexually on this show with people who aren't into them, it's you.

[Ben]

Well, I think that. Yeah, no, I think that basically Adriana.

[Ronnie]

At least hires her people from France for a few weeks. I know.

[Ben]

For a day player for one episode. No, I.

[Ronnie]

Trying to help them get their after cards.

[Ben]

Okay, I. I agree. I think that, like, I believe Julia, that it happened. I don't think she's coming on TV and opening this can of worms, knowing how it could actually really, massively impact her relationship with Martina also, which is Martinez. Not only the relationship. Martina is not only a relationship, but it's also a lifestyle. Let's not forget that. And I don't think she's imperiling that unless, like. Like this really happened personally. Unless she's really. Unless she's really out there. Unless she's really gone girling this. But I. I think that. I think that should. That part is true. But I agree. I think that, like, there's not. There is a lot of talk from her about, like, I would. She was taking advantage of me. I mean, you were taking advantage of Adriana, too. Like, you guys were both probably in a rough place in your life. I mean, I don't know. This is where Julia loses because she doesn't really to wholeheartedly stand in this admission. She, like, uses. She announces this admission, but then. Then tries to make herself seem like. Like she was. I don't know.

[Ronnie]

It's not just we slept.

[Ben]

She sort of takes herself out of me.

[Ronnie]

Right. It's not. We just slept together, and you. You, you know, used it against me. It's. You know, you knew how vulnerable I was. I was grieving the departure of my daughters. You know, my marriage had trouble, big trouble, and you did this to me. She's like, oh, yeah, I did it. To you. Right, Right. But I trusted you. And I was muzzled by Adrianna. I was ashamed of myself. I was scared. She controlled my life. She controlled my friendships with the women in the group. And I like that. Adrianna's defense is, like, because you were supposed to be on my side.

[Ben]

Like, yeah, she's.

[Ronnie]

Her view is, of course I was trying to get you to stay on my side. You're supposed to be on my side. I didn't have to blackmail you. I was literally telling you, you're supposed to be my friend.

[Ben]

Yeah. And then Andy's like, so you were worried she was gonna tell Martina or the women?

[Julia]

Yes, because she was blackmailing me with this. She kept telling me, you are here because of me. You are your paycheck to me. She was going to tell goats. I was so scared.

[Ronnie]

So you are here because of her, and you do owe your paycheck to her. She got you on the show. And last week, when she was saying no one would have ever find you in that shitty place you lived, wasn't she referring to the farm where she found her? I mean, you were in the middle of nowhere. She brought you on to this. She brought you onto this TV show to give you something to do. I think that she can say that stuff without blackmailing you over. Sexual stuff, in other words.

[Ben]

But I. What I love is that Adriana, then, is like, I gave you the opera idea.

[Ronnie]

Everything.

[Ben]

Everything. As if the opera thing is somehow like a. A benchmark of Julia's success. Like, Adrian, I don't know if I would brag about that on the reunion that you gave Julia the idea to. To follow opera. It has not really been on anyone's ears or in anyone's hearts.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, yeah. Don't brag about the brain damage you're doing to the rest of us by inflicting that v. That vocal moments on us.

[Ben]

Please hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Ronnie]

Hold on, hold on. Both.

[Ben]

Both versions of my brain are saying, hold on. You slept with Julia at the. At the Hamptons? Andy. Andy's like, suddenly, just process what's happening. So Adrian's like, many times. It's like, so. Oh, well, you say many times.

[Julia]

What did I mean many times? Because we're in the same bed. It was sleeping in the same bed.

[Ronnie]

What does this mean? What does it mean? Wait, did you have sex with her in the Hamptons? And she goes, no, I don't have a dick. I can't have sex. Which everybody. Andy literally face palms like, lesbians can have sex. People. Women have Sex with each other.

[Ben]

He goes, you could have sex without a dick. And she goes, not really.

[Ronnie]

Okay, okay, so obviously it's true, right? So then Stephanie's like, it's called scissoring.

[Ben]

Mary's holding. Oh, I know. I mean, God. And he's like, okay, you did not sleep with her in the Hamptons. No, we slept, we kissed, but that was about it. It's like, okay, so you kissed. Yeah, no, but I never scissored anybody.

[Ronnie]

I never censored anybody.

[Ben]

Love that.

[Ronnie]

I never scissored. I don't like pussy. Andy, I'm not your girl, okay? Adriana, you never blackmailed me. You never blackmailed me. You never forgave me. And she's like, never blackmail you. I'm very blunt. You know what? And you never said. I'm going to say. Oh, you know what it is? Do you know why you feel this little? Because you're an imposter. You're a fraud, and you have imposter syndrome. So you're trying to pretend something that you're not.

[Julia]

Okay, Adriana, you just wanted to invite me to the.

[Ronnie]

What's your real name? What's your real name? Ask her. Because I don't change my name. I don't change my name. Your real name is Julia. There, there. Her name is Julia. She has changed the pronunciation of her name in America. Imposter.

[Ben]

Andy, can I take this lavalier microphone off of my dress and drop it on the ground? Because that's what that was. Mic drop. Julia. Yulia.

[Julia]

He's like, what is your point?

[Ben]

My point is that everybody changes their names.

[Ronnie]

We have a spy in this room. We have a spy, and her name is Julia.

[Ben]

Well, excuse me changing your name from Julia to Julia, but my point is, I could say my name is Adrienne. I could be an Adrian.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, but she's not. Like, she changed her name from, like, Sally. You know, that would have been traumatic. Are those still people named Sally? Hey, why do you change your name then, Yulia? Why do you change it? He's like, I would like to know, Marisol, what's your reaction? He doesn't even care. He's just like, marisol, what's your. Because he doesn't know what to do. And there's kind of silence. So he goes, so, Marisol, what's your opinion? She's like, oh, me? Oh, me? God, I have to answer this.

[Ben]

Listen, I believe a lot of things, okay? A one nighter. It happens. It could happen. I've tried it so many times with Dick. Didn't really happen there, but with other people. Sure could. All right, well, do you believe Adriana, who you've no longer than most people in this room, who would hold that over, Would hold that over her in some way? And she's like, probably. All right, well, who here believes that.

[Julia]

Adriana and Julia had an affair?

[Ben]

So everyone on Julia's side raises their hands, but everyone on Adriana's side keeps their hands out. Stephanie gets her. She puts her hand up. But Stephanie's also, like, doubled over, tears coming out of her eyes, laughing. I mean, she is. But I was watching this with Dom, and Dom at one point, turned and goes. Every time that lady in green starts to laugh, I lose it. I was like, yep.

[Ronnie]

But wait, wait. An affair is a long time. So was it sex or was it an affair? Okay, not affair. Or do you believe they had sex? And so they're. You know, they. They all believe it, basically. So then Lars is like, I mean, Lisa, come on, Lisa, why aren't you raising your hand? Like, Lisa, like, come on, Lisa. Like, so now, now, now, this is what I think. You're the married one, and she's not. So how so? Come on. And I agree. Julia, you're trying to, like, point the finger at her. You're the married one. She didn't cheat on anybody. But Alexi is like, no, no, no. Because she had an affair with the married woman. So she's just as bad. She's just as bad.

[Ben]

Alexia, does a lot of the nose up in the air work in this.

[Ronnie]

Nodding with her head up in the air? Yeah.

[Ben]

So then Kiki is like, okay, I have to say something. A lot of people I'm hearing say, but you're married. But listen, guys, some people, they marry her and they have open relationship. Those their spouses know, they sleep or they cheat and they tell their spouses what they did she know?

[Ronnie]

Does she know? Does Martina know? Or is she gonna be surprised that she's got some Russian singing, you know, Whitney Houston songs on Instagram? Suddenly that's how she finds out.

[Julia]

I don't know who this Whitney Houston is, but I told Martina six months ago. Maybe it was eight months ago, but.

[Ben]

Like, not when it happened.

[Julia]

Hold on.

[Ben]

Does Martina know that you were gonna say this tonight? Is she mad? Do we want to get her on FaceTime?

[Julia]

Yes, she does. No, of course it was all planned, so you can. Yes. Well, she cried. She cried very hard. Well, and when she cried, it's really more like she threw tennis ball at wall and then went out for many hours. And came back with a smile on her face and said that she had tracked Uncle Sevart and threw a racket at her head and it made her feel all better.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, this whole Julia trying to speaking moral high ground. Trying to have the moral, like, yes, of course I've talked to Martina about. You just talked to her six months ago about something that happened four years ago ago. Stop acting so high and mighty. So she's like, yeah, she cried and why did she say it tonight? And she's like, because there's just so many misconceptions, I cannot speak my truth. This changes nothing. You were close with her way after that thing in the Hamptons happened. You turned on her this year when you became close with the other ladies. It doesn't change any of that. It doesn't matter. Your hoo ha's. Your hoo hay has twiddled.

[Ben]

I think it does, actually. I think. But she's just losing her case because she's not presenting it properly. I think it changes because it's like, we all know, we know, like, when friends have sex, like, it's, this is the basis of so many, like, rom coms and stories, whatever. Like, things get weird afterwards. Not always. Sometimes it's fine, but, like, it is something that happens. And like, clearly things got weird and they were, they were close afterwards. But, like, you know, something was there that was not addressed and it was a lie that Julia had, that she had not told Martina. Like, this is, it's going to eat away and there's going to be problems, and eventually Julia's probably not going to want to have to face her guilt about what she did. So she's going to want to move away from Adriana and move towards the other women. Like, it actually, to me, does shed some light on how it happened. The problem is that Julia is not really accepting her role in that. She's not really saying she's not being accountable for. Like, I, every time I saw Adriana, it reminded me of how I betrayed Martina. And it was hard for me. And so I, I, I, I sort of drifted away from her. And on top of that, she was also being really possessive of me, which was also unpleasant. Like, that's all she really had to say. And I think so many people would have gotten. Well, I don't buy, like you said, she's doing it all. I think she's doing it all sanctimoniously here, and it's not right.

[Ronnie]

I don't buy anything. Like, the, the way that you're, you're Saying it, I think makes a lot of sense, but I just don't believe it because it's Julia. And we see how Julia acts with everybody, how she's flirty, how she. She's constantly making. I think Audrey. Adriana was doing this stuff on camera. She was basically fucking her up against the wall on camera. We just saw it in the clips. They were, like, kissing. They were doing this friend engagement. They were doing, like, the. You showed me what love is. That whole speech. They were doing this whole thing on camera. So I don't think that Adriana would have taken that as, like, an affair. I think she would have taken it as, like, this chick is, like, always. She's very sexual. She's very sexual with all of her friends and other people, because obviously we find out later that Adriana know a lot of other people that Julia has had sex with. So I think Adriana probably looked at it as, like, this is somebody who's in kind of an open or a loose relationship. And I don't really think it's that big of a deal. I think if Adriana really thought, oh, I'm fucking over Martina Navratilova right now, she would have been a little more subtle about it and not just 100% so out about it. So I think Julia probably fucked around with Adriana so she could hold it over Adriana's head and say, like this, like, oh, Adrianna's just crazy. She's so in love with me. You know, we. You know, blah, blah, blah. Julie is the one entrapping everybody into these weird situations, and then now she's gonna come back and make it like, oh, I'm the victim here, and I was entrapped into this situation. No, you were the one, like, forwarding all of these situations. And I think that she's probably using something like that to look like a victim now. That's how I actually.

[Ben]

I don't.

[Ronnie]

I don't trust that either, as far as I can throw her.

[Ben]

Well, that's. That's a whole separate issue.

[Ronnie]

I.

[Ben]

Which I agree with. I. I don't think either of them entrapped each other. And I. I agree. I think that Adriana probably thought that this was, like, sort of an open thing or whatever. It's like, oh, whatever, here comes one right now. My issue was not about whether or not they were having an affair or, like, whether or not, like, Adriana's at fault because they, like, slept together. I don't think it's. I think they were consenting adults, and I Think the, the worse the, the. I think Julia as someone being in a relationship where it was not open like that, like she is the one who, who, who had the infraction. But I'm just saying, like, regardless of whatever the context was, like, it's gonna just make their relationship weird and it's gonna like give insight. The reason why I change those things for me is it just, it just gives me more insight as to why the two of them fell apart, you know. And so I don't.

[Ronnie]

I guess I would argue that I don't think it made things weird because I think that it was just like normal for being friends with Julia. I think it was normal in that friendship for them to be very sexual with each other. I don't see like how them kissing and doing all the stuff that they were doing on camera, how patting someone's puss is really that much different. I mean, unless she's saying they were having like a full on affair or something behind Martina's back, which isn't what she's saying. She's saying they were like lightly fooled around one night. Even Julia can't answer the questions later. I mean, it sounds like they just basically had a light fooling around, night wasted that we saw. Even on camera we saw them waking up.

[Ben]

Even if it's just that though, even if it's just that, if it's something that she didn't feel comfortable telling Martina for two years, that's gonna, in my mind, that's gonna. Cause some like, that's gonna.

[Ronnie]

That's your right. Except that it was all on camera. Most of, most of this stuff was on camera. Like Martina would have been so completely uncomfortable just seeing the way they were kissing and doing all that stuff on, on tv, on national. But you. I don't think it's like a huge step that they like actually. I don't think this is moment.

[Ben]

I don't know if this was honestly. Okay, I'll say this my takeaway from all the back and forth and sort of the, the dodges and whatever. I kind of got the impression that they ate each other out. Like that's what I, that's. That's sort of what I, or at least one of them did. Like I kind of got that, that impression. So it was like to me a little bit more than just like the. On tv, like flirtations or whatever. I sort of got the impression that it was like maybe it wasn't sex like Adriana said, but like I was like, I feel like it was something actually it Might not even be eating out, but there could be, like, some fingering or whatever. But I got the sense that there was something a bit more than just like what we saw on tv, I guess.

[Ronnie]

I don't know. Point is, the way that Julia and Adriana have been acting on camera for four years now is like, girlfriends, they have been act. They've been acting in a way that if I was with Julia and I was worried about that, I would be very hurt already, okay? I would be like, why are you acting like this was with another woman on tv? It's fucking gross and it's disrespectful and it's rude. So whatever they've been doing on camera, whether it's sex, whatever. Whatever happened, the way they've been acting so far has been totally out of bounds. If I was in a relationship with that person, I would be like, what the fuck is going on? So I think my only point is I don't think it's a big deal because one little step further isn't much more disrespectful than they've already been acting. They've already been acting so. So completely disrespectfully that I don't think it would be that big of a deal if they, like, like, hooked up drunkenly one night lightly. You know what I mean?

[Ben]

It might not be a big deal.

[Ronnie]

That's me. But I think maybe it's coming from, like, a gay man who sees, like, kind of open, ish relationships constantly where there are certain rules in the relationship where, you know, if you do this, you're going too far. And I can see that maybe she took it, like, a step further than she was supposed to, but I just don't. I just don't see it.

[Ben]

I think it's the lie that Julia.

[Ronnie]

Would have hooked up with Adriana to anybody, but I think it's the lie.

[Ben]

I think it's that Julia, like, kept it inside for those, like, so matter, even if all they did was just, like, spoon. If Julia felt like she couldn't tell Martina for two years because she felt like on she had done something wrong, whether or not it was light or, like, in consistent with what we see on tv, I feel like the fact that she was holding on to something on the inside to me gives insight why she started to move away. And I think that she also like Adriana. Like, it would also, like, not surprise me if Adriana was like, you know, I'm gonna tell. Like, that's totally like Adriana, so I can understand And I'm not. And this is not.

[Ronnie]

Not. Yeah, I believe that. Yeah.

[Ben]

And this is not me being like, oh, my God, Team Julia. I'm just saying, like, for me, like, this does give me more insight about things. And I think that, like, I also can see Julia, like, Adriana doing that, and it's like rubbing Julia the wrong way. And I also see Julia as someone who does not fight her own battles. And so she gravitates towards Alexa Marisol because she knows that they're gonna, like, basically say the things for Julia that she's not gonna say herself. So, like, I sort of see it as, like, a tangled web.

[Ronnie]

Um, but ultimately, I can't buy it with Julia because Julia's cheated multiple times. And listen to when she talks about it today, when. When, later, which we'll get to. This is going to be a 10 hour recap. But later, when we get to it and she's had multiple affairs and listen to what she says. When she. When she admits it, she's like, but we were in a bad place. I was very hurt. And so I don't think it's a big deal at all that Julie had an affair. And I don't think that she would have been worried this. Worried about it because she's done it a million times. I don't think. I don't think that this one would be like, oh, my God, she was blackmailing me. I mean, personally. But I think we're just going to agree to disagree because I just think that, like, if you're with Julia, you know, she's going to be 20 other people, and if you've forgiven it three times, you're gonna forgive it a fourth.

[Ben]

So that's an interesting point. So you're basically saying, like, you don't think, like, Julia, this is sort of like. It's almost like a Jax Taylor kind of thing where, like, Jax doesn't really harbor any guilt. Like, this is just who he is. And I'm not saying that she is Jax, but, like, she doesn't harbor any guilt, so it's not going to eat away at her because she's not burdened by it.

[Ronnie]

Oh, that's just cheating all the time. I mean, even when Andy later is saying, okay, so what, she's following him, trying to be like, andy, Andy, you know, this. I was so hurt and this and that. And he's like, so did you sleep with the Haitian? And she's like, tbd. Like, she does. She has no guilt. Like, she's on tv, completely humiliating her Wife, she doesn't give a. Trying to get points over someone she's having fights with and trying to make them look like some abusive stalker when Julia is cheating all the time and obviously has no guilt about it. So I just don't believe that she's sitting at home like, oh, my God, what's Martina gonna think about this? I just.

[Ben]

Also, lol. Martina crying at home. Julia's coming, like, coming onto a platform and saying crazy things when Martina is the one who, like, has said so many inappropriate stuff on Twitter. So, by the way, Martina, what goes around comes around.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That's a whole other can of worms to go after Martina's stupidity. Jesus Christ. Yeah. So I'm not really crying for Martina either way, but I do think it's, like, pretty crazy that she just forced Martina into this adoption situation with these kids, and now Martina is stuck at home taking care of these kids while Julie is out, like, talking about how she's fucked half the. Half the city. Like, oh, my God, Lord.

[Ben]

So anyway, Julia is like, well, I.

[Julia]

Need you to know that I did not teach my best friend for any of my new friends. I wanted all of us to be together, despite the horrible secret that they had. The disgusting, hideous secret that I. That I met up with swamp monster, who happens to be very old. Adriana.

[Ben]

And Adriana's like, okay, horrible secret. So many secrets.

[Julia]

Despite being repressed by Adriana and feeling guilty, I feel guilt. And that is why I could not have you as godmother, because I felt ashamed.

[Ronnie]

Oh, Julia spy. Julia spy. Do you remember how Adriana pointed her finger at me and she said, I'm gonna say it. You're not gonna like it. And then we see unseen footage from their fight at Stephanie's Shojaw Christmas party where Adriana is saying, don't make me go there, because I will break the fourth wall, and it is not going to be pretty. It's going to be bad for you, so don't go there. And she's like, I'm not scared. She goes, okay, but I'm not scaring you. I'll tell the truth. You know what the truth is? And I don't want to throw you under the bus like this, but if you keep pushing me, I will. So we see that Adriana was threatening to release some information. So what?

[Ben]

Yeah, Even if it's. And by the way, even if it's not about this hookup up, we see that Adriana is definitely that person who does that. Like, she's definitely that Person says, be careful, otherwise, I'm gonna like. I'm. I'm like, stay in line. Otherwise, I'm gonna reveal the truth about something about you, you know? Well, welcome.

[Ronnie]

I've got a lot in my vault.

[Ben]

I've got a lot in the vault. Okay, well. Is that what you refer to?

[Julia]

Well, I was thinking. One of the many times I was thinking she was going to say something.

[Ben]

Marisol's like, honestly, you felt he had to To. He had to say it first, get ahead of the story. I worked in pr. I got it.

[Julia]

She's like, no, I'm gonna treat you the way I will. You treat me.

[Ben]

Okay, so basically, Julia's saying. She's saying this tonight because she thought she. I think she got spooked by that comment that Adriana was going to announce this on stage. So she's like, I'm gonna beat Adrian to the punch, and I will say it first.

[Ronnie]

But I do like this because Adriana's like, no, no, I would never say that, because I'm not that person, because I would not destroy your marriage. Okay? I love Martina. I respect Martina. My only artists in my gallery, okay? And those boys. I wasn't going to destroy your household. And Gertie's like, yeah, she didn't. She didn't do it. She didn't.

[Ben]

Which, by the way, that's an admission on Adriana's part. Right? Like her saying, I was never going to say anything about it because I love Martina. So I was like, so it did happen.

[Ronnie]

There any doubt that they did it? Right? I mean, do you have. I have zero doubt.

[Ben]

I have no doubt that Adriana was acting coy, like they did nothing. And, like, obviously they did some enough of something that Adriana is saying that she would never want to hurt Martina with it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Adriana's like, well, I'm not that person. But since you brought it up, now it's on the table. And she was in the bad place. She was in the bad place, so. Bad place, yeah. She was cheating on Martina with a Haitian mortician. That's right. That's right. And that's when you told me everything. You were with a Haitian mortician, and you used to take him to a motel, and you would pay for the motel hotel, and you would bring champagne, and you had to give him a coffee machine as a gift.

[Ben]

You forgot about that little bit.

[Ronnie]

So I think this is what she could have been blackmailing her with. She could have been like, listen, I know. I know all the people that you Fucked. So you want me to bring them up on tv?

[Ben]

It could have been that. It could have been that. That's true. So everyone's laughing by that very specific detail about the coffee maker. And Angel's bitch, she goes, wow, easy.

[Julia]

I keep your cool.

[Ben]

Oh, and then there's more. Then she also had another lover, a cop. A cop who she had to bring a waffle iron to.

[Ronnie]

She gave a lemon zester to an off duty nurse.

[Ben]

Did you know that she had to bring a mini food processor, a little one for nuts, to someone who worked a toll booth.

[Ronnie]

She bought an egg cracker for a garbage man.

[Ben]

Basically, Julia's like a Cuisinart ambassador, but also like a wildly sexual being.

[Ronnie]

She's a lady who likes sex with people and gives them household appliances in return.

[Ben]

Is it an affair if she also enriches your kitchen so they're all, like, cracking up? Like. Because this is honestly, like.

[Ronnie]

Like.

[Ben]

I mean, we're still recovering from the revelation that Julia's name used to be Julia. And it's like. And now we have the bombshell that there's a Haitian mortician who benefited by getting a coffee maker of some sort. Mr. Coffee. Truly. And a cop who apparently got nothing, which is too bad.

[Ronnie]

I like the outro. And it just goes, like, I told you, bitch, I let the coffee machine out of the bag. The coffee machine is out of the bag, bitch.

[Julia]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Ben]

Okay, here comes an Andy Cohen deadpan question. Hold on. Okay, hold on. I want to know one thing. Why did you have to buy the Haitian mortician a coffee maker?

[Ronnie]

I don't know what she's talking about. Oh, you know what she's talking about. Drip, drip, bitch. So did you have these affairs also, Julia? Well, I shared with Adriana in confidence, so. Yes, you did? In certain situations I had. Yes. And Martina knows, but I said it to her, and that's. Oh, okay. So it's okay. So it's all okay, lady.

[Ben]

So you have a pattern of cheating. You're a liar, and you're a cheater.

[Julia]

So she goes, well, whatever I am right now, you're malicious.

[Ronnie]

No, you have zero leg to stand on, ma', am, when you just brought this up to be malicious to her. Sorry.

[Ben]

So Andy's like, are you in an open relationship?

[Julia]

No, I. No, I'm not in open relationship whatsoever, but I am in open relationship in giving Cuisinart to people. So everyone, I just want to say that you are all getting air fryer later this Afternoon. Thank you.

[Ronnie]

Martina knows. She knows all about this. Even my daughters know about it. Even my daughter's cleaning lady knows about it. I gave her an egg timer. Okay, that's true.

[Julia]

What?

[Ronnie]

And I told Adriana in confidence, and now maliciously, she is trying to shame me. You're shaming her. Who out? Somebody on National T. I like that.

[Ben]

She says that even her daughters know. This is also moments after she says one of the reasons why she had an affair was because she was missing her daughters. So was the conversation like, I just.

[Julia]

Want you girls to know that because you left home, I cheated on Martina with Adriana and Morian and the coffee maker I had promised to you. Unfortunately, I have had to send away.

[Ben]

I apologize.

[Ronnie]

You have a mask, okay? You. You are not the face that you say you have. You are promiscuous, and you cheat on your wife, and I'm the bad guy. I'm the bad guy now? Oh, what? Please, Adriana. He's like, okay, we need to take a break. So they go to break, and Andy's like, you guys need to make up, because this is a housewives reunion, so you're supposed to make up. Oh, really? Well, until this promiscuous thing, you know, goes around and tries to make me the bad guy, I would make up. But now. But now, unless you tell the truth, there's no moving forward. Did I say you're the bad guy? No, I did not. I just said that you tricked me into having sex with you so that you could control me and abuse me. When is this calling you bad guy.

[Ben]

Because she's serial cheater.

[Julia]

I did not say you were bad.

[Ben]

Oh, come on. That would never go go for you, you dirty little whore. So she gets up, up, and Julia's insisting that she did not call Adrian a bad guy. But she did say that you did say that she was abusing you and was malicious and was blackmailing you, which I'm pretty sure is not what we see in, like, I don't know, Julia Roberts or, by the way, Julia Roberts. Can I say something? Just as long.

[Ronnie]

I love some Julia Roberts news.

[Ben]

She was on Watch what Happens Live earlier this week, and they were posting this clip about, like, how Julia Roberts is, like, you know what?

[Ronnie]

What?

[Ben]

I love Real Housewives of Miami. I mean, that is. What a funny show. And then Andy was like, really?

[Ronnie]

Wow.

[Ben]

And he's asking her questions, and she was like, g. When Julia. When Julia said that she had slept with another castmate, and the. The recipient of that did not seem happy. I was Like Julia Roberts, you do not watch the show. You don't know Adriana's name. You called her the recipient of it and she's like, oh, and Stephanie, what a great first season. I mean, she really came on all prim and proper. I was like, who made Someone made Julia Roberts a highlight reel so she could have her talking points for watch what happens live. And I appreciate doing the homework, I really do. But, like, you can't fool us. Okay? If you cannot know, if you do not know Adriana's name, you cannot tell us that you were a Miami fan. And if you would like to refute this, you are welcome to come on to watch what happens and watch what happens and discuss on crappy hour.

[Ronnie]

We'll educate.

[Ben]

You will always accept we should have.

[Ronnie]

A spin off podcast. Just educating Julia Roberts about things she needs to know about housewives.

[Ben]

Because her. Because Emma Roberts is a big Bravo fan. But Julia Roberts, I'm like, listen. And like I said, if she wants to come on here and set the record straight, I will always make room for Julia Roberts. But I felt like she should have known Adriana's name. It made me put an eyebrow up in the air about that one.

[Ronnie]

We do not believe you, Julia Roberts. However, we do still love you.

[Ben]

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