#3033 RHOC S19E14: Cowpoking the Bear

Summary

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Watch What Crappens – Episode #3033 RHOC S19E14: Cowpoking the Bear

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: October 10, 2025
Episode Recap: Real Housewives of Orange County S19E14: Cowpoking the Bear

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie deliver a signature blend of sharp humor and biting commentary as they recap the fourteenth episode of RHOC Season 19, “Cowpoking the Bear.” The Bravo world’s latest scandals meet hoedown fundraisers as they scrutinize messy friendships, rehashed betrayals, iconic lines, and ludicrous fashion choices. The duo also reflect on the various charity storylines on display, while regularly skewering the Housewives and their husbands, particularly Gretchen and Slade.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Katie Janela Reunion Seat Debate

(05:12–07:48)

• The hosts discuss the newly released reunion seating chart. Ben is surprised Katie isn’t in the coveted “first seat,” while Ronnie guesses her status as a “partial season” housewife means a lesser presence.
• Ben: “A huge part of the discussion and attention this season has been about Katie. So I actually thought she’d be higher up.”
• They riff on Bravo’s trend of adding “messy blogger boxes” to reunions for the drama starters.

2. Tamara’s Perpetual Victim Routine

(11:09–13:39)

• Tamara is in “full tortured victim state of mind,” lamenting her daughter leaving for college and a friend’s illness.
• The hosts sarcastically dissect Tamara’s habit of claiming no one cares about her struggles, then flash back to epic meltdowns.
• Ben (12:09): “God, isn’t that the worst? When someone’s going through the hardest time of their life and no one cares? Hey, can we watch last season again? I loved last season and how Tamra was so supportive of Shannon at her low point.”

3. Boutique Shopping, Fashion Policing, and the Shade of Gretchen

(08:09–09:47)

• Ronnie and Ben roast the endless boutique scenes, then mock Gretchen’s attempt at prairie chic.
• Ronnie: “You’re giving very Laura Ingram...like, ‘What are we in a hoodie?’ I was like, call the police, Laura.”
• Emily gets compared to Laura Ingram for her views on what’s “appropriate” fashion.

4. The Season’s Main Scandal: Lies, Allies, and Shifting Allegiances

(16:33–21:35)

• Much of this episode centers on the broken telephone between Katie, Gretchen, Slade, and Tamra.
• Ben and Ronnie pick apart how gossip and rumors fly, with everyone using “narratives” to justify their stance.
• Ben (17:15): “That’s what people do when something fits their narrative. They’re gonna believe things that support their view of life.”
• Double standards abound: Emily gives Gretchen endless grace but won’t forgive Katie.

5. Animal Psychic Scene: Peak Wacky Shannon

(22:13–27:39)

• The hosts relish the absurd animal psychic segment, with Shannon and Jen seeking insights from “Kao,” including a pooping dog storyline and accusations of dog fat-shaming.
• Ben (24:13): “The breakout star for me was Crew, Jen’s dog... Crew sat on that sofa and looked like, ‘I am ready. I know you can hear me.’”
• Ronnie cracks up at how the psychic grift is barely veiled, with Shannon handing over all the material.

6. The Nonprofit Double Feature: Trevor Project and Innocence Project

(32:47–36:43; 44:27–46:57)

• Heather hosts a Trevor Project cookie event, sharing that every 45 seconds an LGBTQ+ youth attempts suicide—a somber, human moment in the chaos.
• Emily’s Innocence Project storyline is highlighted, including emotional testimonies from exonerees and the group’s efforts to raise funds.
• Ronnie on place names (35:22): “It is a Cucamonga that when someone’s telling a very serious story, they’re like, ‘I couldn’t have done it. I was in Rancho Cucamonga.’”

7. Fashion Crimes & Domestic Scenes

(36:45–38:16)

• Amid emotional testimonials, Ben and Ronnie lampoon Ryan’s choice of “jorts” for the fundraiser and Shannon’s over-embellished jacket.
• Ronnie (37:09): “We’re celebrating innocence while also committing fashion crimes.”

8. Gretchen & Slade: The Ultimate Villain Turn

(39:36–44:27; 47:16–54:57)

• Ronnie and Ben lament Gretchen’s villain arc, thanks partially to Slade’s chronic instigation and need to “control” women.
• Ronnie (38:02): “He allows Tamra to say whatever she wants. Men, it’s men’s responsibility to...control what their wife does. Shut the f*ck up, Slade. Get a job.”
• Gretchen’s efforts to confront Tamara (with Slade in tow) are eviscerated as manipulative and desperate.
• The hosts cite Slade’s real-world drama and unpaid child support receipts to justify his “deadbeat” label.

9. Charity Showdown: Gina vs. Terry

(45:01–46:57)

• Gina upstages the group by donating $5,000 to the Innocence Project, but Terry Dubrow (Heather’s husband) immediately announces a matching donation, stealing her spotlight.
• Ben (46:15): “J is selling two-bedroom houses to the elderly in senior living...Let her have her rich moment—you can’t just block her to say you’re giving the same.”

10. The Showdown: Gretchen and Slade Confront Tamara

(47:16–53:10)

• Gretchen and Slade’s attempt to corner Tamara leads her to storm off, which the hosts agree is justified.
• Ronnie (47:58): “Tamara did not bring Slade into this. Slade brought Slade into this. This is another Gretchen lie.”
• Gretchen misreads the situation, thinking Tamra’s walkout makes her “guilty”; Ben and Ronnie dismiss that cliché.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ben (11:09): “Tamara is in full tortured, tortured victim state of mind.”
• Ronnie (17:36): “Why you were befriending Katie when Katie was fitting your narrative...and then you dumped her the second she wasn’t towing the party line anymore.”
• Ronnie (22:54): “I just literally love Shannon. She’s just so funny. And she doesn’t have to say anything.”
• Ben (24:13): “Crew was so funny to me...looked at the psychic like, ‘I am ready.’”
• Ronnie (38:02): “Put a lock on your wife’s mouth, man! ...Get a job, Slade, sir. Deadbeat.”
• Ben (43:57): “This is why Gretchen will never excel with these feuds...the moment you kick your wildcards to the curb, Tamra’s going to pick it up and use it for herself.”
• Ben (52:00): “When you have someone that makes Ryan look good, that’s an issue.”

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Timestamps for Significant Segments

• 05:12–07:48 – Reunion seating chart, “messy blogger box”
• 11:09–13:39 – Tamara’s victim monologue & meltdown flashback
• 16:33–21:35 – Group hypocrisy, double standards, and plot recaps
• 22:13–27:39 – Animal psychic segment: Shannon & Jen
• 32:47–36:43 – Trevor Project & Innocence Project charity narratives
• 37:09–38:16 – Ryan’s jorts & Shannon’s jacket fashion segment
• 39:36–44:27 – Gretchen/Slade as villains
• 45:01–46:57 – Gina and Terry donation “donor block”
• 47:16–54:57 – Gretchen/Slade confront Tamara, group splinters

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Recap Tone & Takeaways

Ben and Ronnie’s irreverent, meticulous humor slices through Bravo-produced drama and reveals the cyclical nature of Housewives feuds. They pull no punches; everyone—especially Gretchen & Slade—is fair game for criticism and mockery. The result is a brisk, silly, yet insightful take on a franchise they clearly love, but never hesitate to roast.

Listen for:

• Hilarious metaphors and brutal honesty about the cast.
• An appreciation for both the ridiculous and the human moments (animal psychics, wrongful imprisonment, LGBTQ+ charity).
• Witty sidebars on Bravo culture (reunion seats, production antics, Housewives’ double standards).

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[Guest/Caller]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

Great, thanks. How are you doing?

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[Ben]

And I just want to say before we get into it, Wendy and Eddie getting arrested. We are aware of it and we talk about it in depth on the Miami Recap, which we actually released before this so if you're wondering, like, why are they addressing it, then my question is, why are you not a Miami fan? But no, for real, if you are wondering where that is, it's over on our Miami Recap.

[Ronnie]

There's actually a live stream going on right now about it. The cops really live stream. But we're not watching it because we're doing this instead.

[Ben]

Wow.

[Ronnie]

We care about you more than we care about Wendy. Damn it. Wow.

[Ben]

Well, this is going to be a good scandal. This is going to be a good one that unfolds. I think it's going to get worse as. As it unfolds. This will be. It's not a scandal, but it'll sort of have those elements where, like, it's. It's not going to.

[Ronnie]

It.

[Ben]

This is not just a open and shut case. There's going to be more to it, I believe.

[Ronnie]

Well, we'll see. And hopefully we can have a crossover because here we are talking about the innocence. So what a day for that to come out, huh? So sweeping drone shot. Okay, here we are, Real Housewives of Orange County. Tamara sitting in a bar at a restaurant called Verde, which for those of you who aren't like my lings, that means green. So.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Guest/Caller]

And she's like, I think I might need a glass of chardonnay, even though.

[Ben]

I made a heartbeat speech about how I'm not drinking anymore because I think.

[Guest/Caller]

I'm crazy when I drink bent.

[Ben]

And how the last time I. I drank, I went crazy at dinner in New Orleans.

[Guest/Caller]

But I'm still gonna have a glass of chardonnay, please.

[Ronnie]

And here comes Katie Janela in slow motion.

[Ben]

Katie Janella.

[Ronnie]

And then we see flashbacks of things that have been happening. Nobody trusts Tamra, etc. Etc. So here we go. Flashback. Flashback. Lots of flashbacks.

[Ben]

Tons of flashbacks. Yeah, flashbacks. Because it's basically like. Previously on.

[Ronnie]

Right.

[Ben]

So Tamara and Kitty are sitting there, and Kitty's like, well, either Slate is her mouthpiece or Gretchen is really, really good. And Tamara's like, yeah, she wants to.

[Guest/Caller]

Tell lies about me. I talk about you.

[Ben]

I'm done.

[Guest/Caller]

Double dipping.

[Ronnie]

I don't.

[Ben]

I don't understand the double dipping part, but sure has nothing to do with tortilla chips.

[Ronnie]

Let's go to Blue. Bluebird Mercantile Boutique. Man, this town has no shortage of shit boutiques to go to.

[Ben]

They really nothing but boutiques in this. In this county. Nothing but shitty, shitty boutiques that, like, they're just all lining up, waiting to be filmed in. Yeah, you know, everyone talks about, like. Well, you know, because The Internet and Amazon and. And all these things like the mom and pop stores are closing. Go to Orange county because they're there. Bluebird Mercantile Boutique.

[Ronnie]

It's there.

[Ben]

Before we do that, can we talk about Katie for a second? The seating chart for the. For the reunion came out. And the day before, I think it was Andy or just Bravo had teased the seating chart, like, who's gonna sit where? And I think a lot of people thought that Katie might actually get the first seat. She actually wound up in the fourth seat. How do you. Do you think that Katie is. What seat do you think Katie should be in for the reunion?

[Ronnie]

I'm surprised she's not on the end because I would assume that they would only for part of the reunion, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm guessing it. That's correct. Because they're only going to bring her out for part. She won't be out there the whole reunion, right? They'll just bring her on. I don't think so. I would think that they'd just be like, oh, she was in half the season, so she'll come out, you know, like, Alexis wasn't Alexis only on part of the season. They'll probably get. Give her friend of treatment where they.

[Ben]

Bring her out for a little bit. I don't know, because she was. But she was a housewife. I. I'm trying to remember how they treated Tinsley because Tinsley left midway through her season. Or Kim Ziak. Like, were they. Did they. Were they there the whole reunion? So I personally thought Katie was gonna be first or second seat. And it's not because I'm like, yeah, it's team Katie. It's because I feel like actually a huge part of the season and the discussion and the attention of this season of Orange county has been about Katie. So I thought based on that, I, I actually genuinely thought that Katie was going to be higher up. I mean, I got your, Your, your POV makes sense. If she's only gonna be out for part of it. They wouldn't. They wouldn't have her in the first seat. But I don't know. I'm like. I have to say, I'm a little surprised. A little surprised.

[Ronnie]

Oh, yeah. I don't think they're gonna have her on much because they're just gonna have that basic one fight with her. Like, did you lie to Kiki Monique, or did you tell Kiki Monique? I mean, what seat is Kiki Monique in?

[Ben]

That's a great question as well. Where is she at this reunion?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she needs to be on the other fourth seat.

[Ben]

We wouldn't have had this whole, like. Because it was. It was the Kiki telling her friend, the friend gossiping to so and so. Like, that's, you know, like, we wouldn't have even had this entire massive fallout. I mean, Katie was definitely on thin ice as it was. But, like, yeah, Bravo's gonna have to start adding.

[Ronnie]

They're gonna have to start adding, like, a messy blogger box where they just throw all that. Whoever gets accused that season of. Of causing crap in the blogosphere, the podcastosphere, or radiosphere just thrown in there so they can have their say, too.

[Ben]

But just sit on a chair in the audience. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. We're in the Bluebird Mercantile Boutique. Okay. And Gretchen and Emily are shopping for cowgirl attire. Her and Emily's like, what are you wearing? Listen, if anybody else asked that question, I would think it's a legit question. But, Emily, you dressed. You dress like a crazy person as well. I don't know that anybody on Orange county is really in the place to judge fashion.

[Ben]

Yeah, we saw the previews for next week in Amsterdam. I really don't think you're in any place to talk about fashion. That being said, Gretchen looks crazy. And Gretchen's like, well, I'm like, attracted.

[Guest/Caller]

To anything girly and colorful and a fun vibe.

[Ben]

Gretchen, there's nothing about your fashion that says fun. There's nothing about your Megyn Kelly hair that says great times. Like the super fun girl. Like your trad wife, vintage Stepford wife thing. Even if you're doing it ironically, it might be ironic. There's nothing fun about it.

[Ronnie]

You're fashion kids. I'm calling the police on people I don't recognize in my neighborhood. Most likely minorities. Okay.

[Ben]

Yes. That is the look. That's the look you got going.

[Ronnie]

You're giving very Laura Ingram. Like, the other day, AOC made some comment about all the shit that's going on, and Laura Ingram was mocking her. I just saw a clip of it. I wasn't watching Laura Ingram. Don't worry, Laura. But she's like, oh, my God, what are we listening to? A person in a hoodie? I mean, yeah, that's real professional. I'm just going to sit around here in my hoodie. I mean, what is she in a hoodie? I was like, call the police, Laura. That's like. That's a reason for you to call police right there. Yeah. So Gretchen, I think, is giving that vibe. Like, what are we in a hoodie? What are we in a hoodie?

[Ben]

Saying it somehow fun.

[Ronnie]

Emily's like, she looks like she just got out of a covered wagon on the Oregon trail.

[Ben]

So Emily's like, well, I no longer practice law, but, however, I will definitely say that I'm a lawyer when it comes to prosecuting people like Katie. But the Innocence center allows me to be involved in law in a human, humanitarian way. So I'm doing a fundraiser to pay for Anthony, a recent exoneree, to go to mechanic school. Also, he's kind of hot, so we. We.

[Ronnie]

He is kind of hot.

[Ben]

He's pretty hot, actually.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, he is kind of hot. We only help hot people here. I thought it's important for him to dream and make something of himself, you know? I also stand for lie detectors. Just wanted to get that out there. So Gretchen's like, I stand for guilty.

[Ben]

I stand for guilty until proven innocent when it comes to this friend group. But when it comes to incarceration, innocence first.

[Guest/Caller]

How was the event last night?

[Ronnie]

And we see Tamara's little cake party thing. It was a show. Okay. Remember when we played that game at LA where we asked a question, who we trust the least? Yeah. The game that you started and that you came up with and that you made everyone answer and now are trying to make drama out of it. Yeah, Emily. I remember.

[Ben]

And Gretchen.

[Guest/Caller]

Oh, Lordy.

[Ben]

So now we cut to Las Brisas. Didn't we eat there once, Ronnie? Or am I in Laguna Beach?

[Ronnie]

Las Brisas, Is that where we had the buffet?

[Ben]

No, that was, like, the Pelican something or another. Okay, well, never mind. Really uninteresting question on my end. So Tamara and Gina sit at a table. Gina's like, how are you?

[Guest/Caller]

And Tammy's like, I'm so sick of this, Gina.

[Ben]

Tamara is in full tortured, tortured victim state of mind.

[Ronnie]

This society. She really is.

[Guest/Caller]

She's like, I'm going through such a hard, goddamn difficult time in my life. One of my best friends has. Has cancer, and now Sophia's off to college, and it just seems like nobody cares. Sophia's learning stuff. Song, structure. And I'm all alone in the world.

[Ben]

God, isn't. Isn't that the worst? When someone's going through the hardest time of their life and no one cares? Hey, can we watch last season again? God, I loved last season and how Tamra was so supportive of Shannon at her low point.

[Ronnie]

Jeez. So. And I love that she compares a friend having cancer and her daughter going to music school. Come on, Tamara.

[Ben]

Now we're away.

[Ronnie]

So Gina's like, well, last night when you were vocalizing your feelings in your kitchen. And we cut to the vocalizing.

[Guest/Caller]

God damn it, I quit this show. I hate all you stupid bitches.

[Ben]

Bitches.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Ben]

It literally flashed me back to Vicky's engagement party. Remember that? Want to show that clip? Also, editors.

[Ronnie]

And this was when Tamara was hiding in the bushes, fake sobbing, going like.

[Guest/Caller]

I can't even come in again, bitch. Yeah. And it hit me that, like, the last time you were having, like, a very incredibly, like, heavily stressful year. Like, I have to have compassion for you because I see that. And Gretchen was like, like, wildly inappropriate.

[Ronnie]

With the things she said in la.

[Guest/Caller]

But, you know, like, you're just so reactive to her. But when is enough enough? When is it enough? Why? When? When do people say, no, stop bullying Tamara, the sweetest, most innocent person in this group.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, but you could be mad at Shannon and Jen and Gretchen. But, like, Emily, like, she loves you. And when you're wrong, Heather has your back. So, like, you, like, even, like, even when you're wrong, like, you gotta be.

[Guest/Caller]

Nice to, like, the people that I.

[Ronnie]

Like, but just yell at the other people.

[Guest/Caller]

But for you to say that you can't trust me. I'm extremely hurt. Like, how could Heather say she doesn't trust me after I just happened to take a comment that she made a bravocon once and twist it into a whole thing and make the entire cast hit her for a whole season? Why would she not trust me?

[Ronnie]

Then we cut back to Gretchen and.

[Guest/Caller]

Gretchen's like, every time Tamra is called out about something, she runs off and says she's not gonna do this and she's not gonna do that.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I think she only left the room, like five times last night.

[Ben]

And then we did see Tamara trying to quit her own party, but since it was in her house, she had to keep coming downstairs.

[Guest/Caller]

I quit. I quit. I'm going upstairs. Well, I'm downstairs again. But guess what? I quit again. I'm going back upstairs. This is the last time you ever see me film. Get a close up face. Cause you're never gonna see it again. Had just came down to get some milk. Hi, guys. We're filming again. I'm never filming again after I get this glass of milk. Bitch.

[Ben]

It's a kitty on Arrested Development. Take a good look at the last time you'll see these.

[Guest/Caller]

I'm done. I'm done with it.

[Ben]

So I was cracking up.

[Ronnie]

Emily's like, yeah, just because I was honest with her. And even Heather agreed with me. It wasn't just me. No, One trusts her.

[Ben]

So now here comes Heather. Speaking of which.

[Ronnie]

Hello.

[Ben]

Television's Heather Debrow has decided to join you at Las Brisas. So, like, oh, you look beautiful. But then, like, Tamara doesn't say hi or anything, so Heather's like, okay, all right. Let me. Let's. Let's talk about this a little bit more, okay? Like, I understand. Okay. I love you, Tamra. You are my friend.

[Guest/Caller]

It's like, well, you admit that you scatter me. You admit that you don't trust me, so why would you ever want to be friends with me? Just some lowly, scary, untrustworthy person in your corner.

[Ronnie]

My turn, my turn. Okay, I explained it last night and I'll explain it again. Here we go. Can I please get some champs over here? I've got to explain things to my friend.

[Guest/Caller]

You don't need to be condescending.

[Ben]

Still me. Still me. I'm not being condescending. And if you had any sort of education, you would realize that. But I explained it, Debbie.

[Guest/Caller]

You said that in front of Gretchen, and Gretchen claps onto any information. It makes it worse. It makes it worse.

[Ben]

Well, I'm sorry if that hurt you in your small three celled brain, but if you think I'm brushing over things that she does, I am not. I'm encouraging them. I even told her she's using Slade very conveniently to do her dirty work. Much like how I use Alfredo to take out the garbage, which is also true dirty work.

[Guest/Caller]

I think you two should just trust each other.

[Ronnie]

That's like, the answer everybody needs to just trust each other.

[Guest/Caller]

Well, I appreciate you apologizing. I just have to work through it. This is the last time you'll ever see me on a tuna. Start talking.

[Ben]

Oh, back to Mercadol. Well, apparently Tamara reached out to Katie to talk, and it has to do with you, Gretchen, because all of a sudden, Katie, a known pathological liar, has cred. That's ridiculous. Why even hear her through? Why even hear Katie's full side of the story without yelling at her? Anyway, Innocence Project party later tonight.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah, Tamara, like all of a sudden you're going to believe Katie? Because it fits your narrative.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, well, I told her if you meet with her, we're going to have a real fucking problem. I said that to her, and that's why she's pissed at me. And then this morning when I was mowing her lawn, I said, don't forget. And then I was filling up her car with gas, I was like, do not me was Katie.

[Ben]

I like Gretchen. Thinking that she like, really had like this smart observation about how like, Tamara's gonna to believe, is gonna believe Katie because it fits her narrative. Now it's like, yeah, that's. That's what people do when something fits their narrative. They're gonna believe the things that support their view on life. Like, right, that's like, wrong, but. But like, yeah, Gretchen, right, Which is.

[Ronnie]

Why you were befriending Katie when Katie was fitting your narrative of coming for Tamara and everybody else. And then you dumped her the second that she wasn't towing the party line anymore.

[Ben]

Gretchen, Gretchen really. Gretchen's really botched her return. I mean, we said it before, but like, I feel like we were all on Gretchen's side at the beginning of the season and now Gretchen is the villain. And somehow, like, I'm on Tamara's side. Like, this is so warped. I don't get it.

[Ronnie]

So she's like. Emily's like, yeah, that's why she's pissed on me because I told her. And Gretchen jokes like, see, you're the problem.

[Guest/Caller]

You're the shit stir.

[Ronnie]

She was like making a light hearted joke at Emily. And Emily's like, oh, that is not fair. I'm not talking crap about people.

[Guest/Caller]

She goes, yeah, but like, even like Slade said that rumor about Tamara, but I said, you know, like, I'm not.

[Ronnie]

Even sure I believe that. Wait, you brought up something defamatory. Emily can't help it. Like, she's just gonna fight with everybody like you're supposed to be.

[Ben]

But she's right here.

[Ronnie]

She is right, but it's like, oh my God, she. You can't fight the whole world. Also, you're starting all of this stuff, Emily, like, taking it back to everybody and then getting mad when hits the fan.

[Ben]

And also, like, notice the grace that Emily gives Gretchen over and over again when Gretchen is either lying or being slippery with the truth or like, well, well make coming up with workarounds. And yet with Katie, it's like she has to be kicked out of the group. Like, to me, this is a double standard. And I think it's a problematic double standard. So Gretchen is like, no, nothing's defamatory.

[Guest/Caller]

Here, let me show you something.

[Ben]

What are you gonna pull up a podcast or an article? This is what you and Tamara both do. You get out your phones, you pull out a podcast, you put an article. And if it were Katie doing it, I'd have you kicked off the show. But since it's you, go ahead.

[Guest/Caller]

You need to take accountability. For what? For participating and encouraging It.

[Ronnie]

I wasn't encouraging anything.

[Guest/Caller]

Ah, you were saying, play the song.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, the song. No, you were saying you wanted to hear the sex thing too. That's why you called Slate. Emily. This is all on camera, ma'. Am.

[Ben]

I don't. But honestly, I don't even think Emily is at fault for saying that because Gretchen drops this bomb like she's got tea. Yeah. Like, Tamara was having an affair. She's sing the song and she's having an affair. And then. And like, it's like, yeah, let's hear it. You know, I mean, here's the thing. Heather was the only one who was like, I don't care about the sex stuff.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. But I can't pick sides because they're just also terrible. Like, yes, Gretchen brought it up on camera. Emily was telling her, we want to hear it. But also, you're right, Gretchen brought it up on camera. So they're going to have to talk about it. Gretchen and I thought they wanted. Yeah.

[Ben]

Was it. But wasn't it Slade who said. Slade was the one who said that the mic was still on when they were having sex? Right.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't remember the exact sequence of events that she. Nelson. And then they called Slade and Slade said that the recording kept going or something and they heard them boning in the ground or whatever. Whatever.

[Ben]

I don't remember the specific sequence of like. Like play the song find or whatever. But what we do know is that Emily and Heather were both like, you gotta play that song in the beginning before Slade came on. You got to play that song of, like, of Tamara trying to sing. And I think that's. Honestly, that is totally a reasonable thing. Like, if there's some recording of Tamra trying to sing that's out there and Gretchen is like, yeah, we have this recording, then I don't think Emily should be, like, accused of, like, egging on, trying to defame Tamra. Like, no, you dropped the tea and you said it happened while she's having an affair. And Emily's like, okay, like, tell me more. That's on you, Gretchen. Emily can get some call you can give. You can give some percentage to Emily. But, like, the lion's share is on Gretchen.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Even if you pawn it off on Slade for doing it, for saying it. You called Slade, knowing that he was going to say it. You know, Slade, you know, if you bring up the subject, what he's going to say. But Emily does also completely laugh and love it and then goes and tattletales.

[Ben]

Like the next second because they're both thousand percent.

[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Guest/Caller]

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[Ronnie]

Visit blueapron.com terms for more. So then we go to Jen's house and Shannon's house. Well, Shannon is cleaning. Oh, Shannon is coming to Jen's house. So Archie decides to take a big number two everywhere number two over and over again. It's like two squared, lots of poos. And so Shannon's like, Archie, oh my God, I need another plastic bag. This is absolutely ridiculous, Archie.

[Guest/Caller]

This is what Wacky Shannon, Wacky Archie is being is gonna try to outshine Wacky Shannon. This is crazy.

[Ronnie]

I just literally love Shannon. She's just so funny. And she doesn't have to say anything. I can just look at her as she walks into her room and think, oh my God, how come her glasses only have one lens?

[Guest/Caller]

She's, she's just so.

[Ronnie]

Thank you, Shannon. Thank you so much for coming over. Shannon, I love you. I love you.

[Ben]

I love you so much. Thank you so much. So there is a animal psychic who has arrived. Kao. And she is going to help them commune with all their furry friends because there are a lot in Jen's household plus Archie.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, so they're gonna ask these dogs questions, I guess, or ask questions about the dogs and this, this fraud is going to take their money. So Jen's like, I run a small farm basically, so if you pick up on a vibe, just go for it. Please tell Willow to eat less. That would be great.

[Ben]

So then they gather all the animals in one room, which is impressive. And I have to say the breakout star for me was crew, Jen's dog. I feel like we have not spent any time with crew and like I literally love crew and crew was so funny to me. I took a screenshot and for people, crap is on demand. Hopefully we'll be able to see this. The way that crew sat on that sofa and looked at the psychic. Like, I am ready, like very patiently, like, I, I know you can hear me.

[Ronnie]

I'm waiting for this.

[Ben]

Like this was the funniest image I like. And just like, crew is just like, there, like, like, really close. The psychic, like, knows the psychic wants to talk to her and, like, they're having a conversation.

[Ronnie]

He's looking right into her eyes like, hi, I'm sitting here. I'm ready to go. I've been waiting for this all day. Please don't be another fucking, you know, criminal. Just tell me what I need to hear.

[Ben]

Kiki, Monique told me that Gretchen has been saying that she was drugged. Did you hear this? Ko.

[Ronnie]

So Jen's like, well, my fiance and I have recently combined families. And so when we got crew, she was truly the missing piece that brought us all together as one family. And Cal's like, oh, wow. Wow, great. But Willow is the spoiled one. And K's like, does she want a stroller? Does she want a stroller? And she's like, oh, my God, does she want a stroller? She's too chubby for a stroller. Yeah. If this dog psychic was real, Willow would say, tell this to stop fat shaming me. Like, she is the one who's feeding me and then fat shaming me. What the hell? Get me out of this house.

[Ben]

Oh, well, I. I would like to have a moment with. With the dog psychic therapist. Okay, K, this is Archie. And he doesn't bark.

[Guest/Caller]

We actually talk. We have full conversations with each other.

[Ben]

Probably more communication with him than I've had in certain romantic relationships. Burn.

[Guest/Caller]

Anyway, I have. I have so many questions.

[Ben]

So here we go.

[Ronnie]

That's really sad, actually. Wow.

[Guest/Caller]

What do you mean it's sad?

[Ronnie]

Archie said it.

[Guest/Caller]

Sad.

[Ronnie]

Oh, no, I'm sorry. That was. That was me who said that. Okay, let's get to Archie questions.

[Ben]

Does he get annoyed when we kiss and cuddle him? The does. Does he like going to the park or going running? Does he like a walk on the leash? I don't know. I just. I need these men to communicate with me.

[Ronnie]

Do you move a lot? Because he keeps thinking, move, move, move, and that you have these long, drawn out goodbyes. He'd really just appreciate you just letting him go.

[Ben]

Sometimes he doesn't like the long, drawn out goodbye. He doesn't like when I say goodbye to him for 15 minutes. He doesn't like that.

[Ronnie]

I think he senses that you're worried when you leave.

[Guest/Caller]

Well, I. I am worried.

[Ronnie]

I mean, what if. What if I'm gone and Archie's looking out the window and sees some blood slut on the beach and decides to follow her down and become her. Her dog?

[Guest/Caller]

I mean, what the hell Archie. Archie, don't do this to me. That is it. I am leaving.

[Ronnie]

Shannon, just hit the house next door. Shannon, come back. The dog. The dog packing's not done yet.

[Guest/Caller]

I have. I have another question for Archie.

[Ben]

Can you ask Archie if it's totally necessary that we take walks at one in the morning in Newport Beach? I really resent that I had to do that for him.

[Ronnie]

So she decides she kind of leads Cow. By the way, cow's not even really trying that hard to scam these people because Shannon just keeps giving her everything. She's like, well, yeah, you know, had.

[Guest/Caller]

Some insecurities, I think because of when.

[Ronnie]

I left him at school too young. He was probably too young to be left at school. Now he keeps biting other dogs. So I think that you may have left Archie at school too young.

[Guest/Caller]

Exactly.

[Ronnie]

KL God, you are so good at this. Yeah.

[Ben]

Shoot. There. K really does not have to work hard for her grift, but basically, Shannon is. She clearly wants to get another dog, and she's just looking for validation that it's an okay thing to do. So, Okay. I was like, yeah, I got another dog. More clients for me. I'm all for it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So now we go to Katie Janela coming to meet Tamara.

[Guest/Caller]

Edmond, birthday Katie. Janella, fancy meeting you here.

[Ben]

Well, I gotta tell you, as I've taken a step back from the situation, what makes me sad the most. It's about Jen.

[Guest/Caller]

Oh, yeah? The way she betrayed you?

[Ben]

No, just her choices in life. That she's with Ryan, she's okay with paint splatter on denim. Just makes me so sad.

[Ronnie]

I mean, I was just so hurt. She called me once or twice, but I didn't even pick up. I've just been super emotional over all of it.

[Guest/Caller]

Oh, yeah, well, I've been the odd man so many times, and I'm the admin right now. I'm dominant right now. Do you feel bad for me after I helped everybody kick you out of this group?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you were fine being part of the group when they were kicking somebody out a couple of weeks ago, ma'. Am.

[Ben]

Yeah, it's not been that long. Well, you know, I do feel bad about what I did, and I did not mean to hurt you. Tamara and I tried to apologize with Shannon, and Tamara's like, I don't think.

[Guest/Caller]

Katie is some sociopathic liar. She apologizes being honest. So I'm gonna take that for what it is, someone I could use against Gretchen. So I'm gonna use her for the batting ram that she is.

[Ronnie]

So when. When Katie says, I feel bad about what I did. I did not mean to hurt you. Is that her confessing to telling?

[Ben]

I think that's her, yeah. I think she's saying, yeah, because Demonique.

[Ronnie]

That Gretchen said that she was drugged or whatever.

[Ben]

Well, Katie said as much. She said it earlier in the season. Like I told Kiki, because Gretchen said, oh, no, I don't remember.

[Ronnie]

No, she remember. What she said she still made was maintaining that she didn't tell Kiki Monique that Kiki Monique must have heard it from Sheena or whoever.

[Ben]

I don't remember. But it sort of is a confession. But it's also kind of like, I will. I wasn't trying to be mad. Maybe she's saying, like, I wasn't trying to be messy. Who knows?

[Ronnie]

Who knows? That's so convoluted at this point.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Guest/Caller]

She's like, I'm just trying to get it straight. Slade called Matt and said, don't talk about this.

[Ben]

And she's like, yeah, Gretchen lied and said, you drugged her. Then Slade said, tell Katie to stick to the story. Tell her not to waver. That's the nail on her coffin. Also, Tamara had sex with Nelson.

[Guest/Caller]

What?

[Ronnie]

His exact words were, tell her to stick to the story because it's a legal issue. And I thought, oh, my God, am I going to get in trouble legally? And I thought, if it's a legal issue, I don't want to talk about it. So I was like, oh, I was being lied to again by Slade. He is the eye of the storm for sure.

[Ben]

So Katie's like that. So I text her, sorry, I did my time impersonation for a moment. Not inappropriate for this conversation. I texted her and I literally tell her, I won't. I won't share that. Like, why would I say that when she said that? Like, she's a liar. See, now I can show. I could show receipts. Because in the beginning of the season, Katie was like, oh, yeah, those Instagram messages. I just don't have reception right now. I don't show you anything.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Guest/Caller]

Trying to shut you down.

[Ronnie]

Yes. And I'm trying to cover for my friend, quote, unquote, when she was really using me to cover her lies.

[Guest/Caller]

Oh, yeah, he does all the dirty work and the talking. And then she's like, I can do it.

[Ronnie]

Yes. So she says that Slade was constantly calling Matt, and then once he was done with him, it was utter silence. Ugh.

[Ben]

A dream. No more Slate Smiley calling up.

[Ronnie]

First time I've ever heard anybody complain that Slade is not calling them. Enough.

[Ben]

Well, finally Matt is like, I just want to talk to him man to man.

[Guest/Caller]

Slave that man.

[Ben]

Man to child.

[Guest/Caller]

Man's douchebag.

[Ben]

Sure, that's pretty good.

[Guest/Caller]

Everything they said, they're doing it, they're doing it to me. That's what's happening here. I'm brother and you're glue. He would say something bad and it you're ugly and spill that poo poo. That's it. That's what's going on you bed.

[Ben]

So then we see. Now we see a sequence of Gina and Jen and in their homes going through clothing and organizing things.

[Guest/Caller]

I have to.

[Ben]

I'm going to say this. You know, it's one of those random days where I say something nice about Gina. To her credit, her home decor has really come up since when we first met her. Like, she had like, a nice little kind of beige on beige living room. It wasn't anything mind blowing, but it was definitely a step up from all the Marshalls chis she used to gava in her youth. So I'm gonna give her credit. That was my takeaway from that little scene with her in the living room.

[Ronnie]

Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it's. I just kind of avoid looking when it comes to a Gina home scene. It's like when you're passing something really sad, like under the freeway, and you're like, nothing's happening. Everything's fine, you know, and you just keep driving. That's how I feel.

[Ben]

All right, let's go to Junior Cookies, which is also what I call child chefs. We are here to talk about the Trevor Project, everyone. It's a Trevor Project scene. So Heather is doing, like, a cookie fundraiser, and it's for the Trevor Project, and it's all very, very good. And she was been active with this charity for 10 years, which we love, and she was. It was her kids that kind of, like, connected the dots for her, etc. And she is.

[Ronnie]

I'm really anti bullying. So one of the Trevor project people is like, are you going to allow me to have one of the cookies you brought? She's like, oh, would I stop you from having a cookie? No, but I would tell you you probably shouldn't. You'll get bullied. Stop bullying.

[Ben]

So she. She. She tells a very scary stat, which is that every 45 seconds, an LGBTQ +Youth tries to commit suicide, which is terrible, Terrible. And so I'm really glad this organization is here to help. And it was a short scene, but it was a nice scene. And I think it was an Important scene. So now we go to Emily's house, where she's gonna be doing. Talking more about the Innocence Project. So she has the director of the Innocence Project there, and she's talking about how. She's talking about the importance of the organization, and she has two exonerees who are there who now tell their stories.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So she's like, before we even start, one of you stole the sandwich. One of you stole a turkey sandwich. Wait a minute. That was me. It's in my purse. Oh, sorry. Too soon.

[Ben]

Bad joke. Bad joke.

[Ronnie]

Stephen, tell us your story. So he talks about how he was convicted of a shooting in Los Angeles, and he was in Rancho Cucamonga, so that he didn't do that shit. He was in Rancho Cucamonga. And I just loved the specificity of Rancho Cucamonga, because then the next guy was like, yeah, I was also accused of shooting someone. And I wasn't in town either. And I was like, were you Rancho Cucamonga, too? And what is going on in Rancho Cucamonga? Because I only hear it on, like, radio ads, but I've never been out there.

[Ben]

Well, when you drive to Vegas, if you take the 10 to the 15, when you go. When you get onto the 15 and start heading north, you are in Rancho Cucamonga. I think I stopped there once to go to a Fuddruckers.

[Ronnie]

Rancho Cucamonga. Fuddruckers?

[Ben]

Hell, yeah. Delicious.

[Ronnie]

It's just such a silly name for a place. It is a Cucamonga that when someone's telling a very serious story, they're like, I couldn't have done it. I was in Rancho Cucamonga. I'm like, okay, come on. You're making. I know.

[Ben]

I feel like Rancho Cucamonga wants to have, like, the romantic rhythm of a San Juan Capistrano. Like, ooh, San Juan.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. That.

[Ben]

That is, like, classic.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it is.

[Ben]

You know, it's like that's. Which is. By the way, San Juan Capistrano is a place in Orange County. But, like, it's like, ooh. From the sandy shores of San Juan Capistrano. Capistrano to Rancho Cucamongo. It's like. Just doesn't have that same.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's hard to. It's hard to get into a serious story. When they say Ranto Cucamonga, it's just a funny word. So she. Basically. They talk about being fairly imprisoned forever. And this is really fucked up because then they're like, okay, well, sorry. You were in jail for 20 years. We were wrong. Okay. Enjoy your Life. And they don't give them anything.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

They're just like, okay, well, good luck.

[Guest/Caller]

Okay.

[Ronnie]

We're giving your, your old shoes back. Okay, Good luck with that.

[Ben]

Emily recites some stat. Maybe it was later in the episode that, like, 46% of people in jail have been accused of crimes they didn't commit. Like, that is wild. Lots, lots of scary stats on this show.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So now we go to Jen's house where Ryan is planning on wearing some jorts to the Innocence Project fundraiser tonight. So, I mean, you know, I love. We're talking about these people who were, like, lost 14 to 20 years of their lives in jail for something they didn't do. And it's like. And now I'm going to put on jorts. Jorts. To save them.

[Ronnie]

What? We're celebrating innocence while also committing fashion crimes. It's just like, so this is so Ryan, you know, it's like the privilege. The privilege. So then Shannon's getting ready and she's on the phone with Adeline and she's like, oh, I think I'm going to wear this, this jacket full of jewels.

[Guest/Caller]

What do you think of that?

[Ronnie]

And she's like, mom, it's a lot. No one's ever, ever going to have sex with you.

[Guest/Caller]

Well, that is kind of rude. Adeline, are you at a rave?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Headlines. Just doing a line off of a Go Go boy's ass.

[Ben]

I'll tell you what's not a rave. My thoughts on that jacket. Headline. That was cruel.

[Ronnie]

Slade getting dressed like cowboys.

[Guest/Caller]

You know, I haven't talked to Tamara since things went off at the tactical day, so I'm wondering if Eddie's gonna be there.

[Ronnie]

He's like, well, from the guy's perspective, the problem is with Eddie, we don't respect Eddie because he allows Tamara to say and do whatever she wants. Men, it's men's responsibility to, like, you know, control what their wife does. Hey, put a lock on your wife's mouth, man. Come on. What are you allowing your wife to spend. Shut the up, Slade, man. Who hasn't worked a fucking day in his marriage. Talking about what you would allow a woman to do. Are you fucking kidding me? Get a job, sir. You deadbeat.

[Ben]

So Slade's issue is that Eddie does not put a muzzle on Tamra. That's his issue. Okay, I, I, and then, yeah, it's so shit. That's so shitty. Like, he doesn't, he doesn't, he allows. Tamron. No, it doesn't work that way. People are free thinkers and you say what you want to say. I think Eddie. Actually, I'm never going to defend Eddie, but in this case, I think Eddie's just exhausted. Look at the guy. He looks. He looks 25 years older than he is. He's had to deal with Tamara for so many years.

[Ronnie]

You're like, the poor man is carrying the weight of those teeth around. Just leave him alone. Do you think that's easy?

[Ben]

Teeth and. And corny motorcycle jackets? Okay, like, leave the. I'm not gonna say leave the poor guy alone. But seriously, Slade, I think he's got.

[Ronnie]

Slade's a pig. They keep Slade at kind of a minimum on this show, which, thank God. But it's like they. They brought back Gretchen. But it's like, okay, but we're only going to show a little tiny bit of Slade this time. But even in the tiny bit they show him, he's just a pig every time he's on screen. Every.

[Ben]

And look at the way he ruins Gretchen all over again. Just to circle back to what I said before, like, Gretchen started off the season really well. She had, like, really all the moral high ground coming into it. She was. She was coming in, she was taking Tamara down a peg. We were rooting for. Gretchen was great. And the moment that Slade starts hatching a scheme about. Don't say this. Hold the line. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Gretchen stock tanks. And now she's like, you know, Gretchen always sucks. Whatever.

[Ronnie]

Gretchen has forever sucked terribly. And she's. She. It shows how fake she is when every time she's around Slade, she turns into this completely different person.

[Guest/Caller]

He's like, run, bitch.

[Ronnie]

We're in front of the other lady. She's like, I just don't understand why Tamara's just so upset. I just don't understand why I can't make up with Tamara. And then the second Slade's around, she's just screaming trash commercials.

[Guest/Caller]

Here comes one right now.

[Ben]

So now we're back at Emily's event, and people are showing up, and Elizabeth Varkus is there. Unbelievable. Undeniable top for the innocent project.

[Ronnie]

So let's see. Oh, guess who else is here.

[Guest/Caller]

Gretchers.

[Ben]

Oh, God.

[Ronnie]

Well, she's not here yet, but it's gonna be terrible having Crutchers and Tamara in the same room. Do you remember I got pissed at Tamara sitting down with Katie? Well, with her. That's what happened. I'm gonna have something to say about it.

[Ben]

So Emily tells everyone about. She's talking about the.

[Guest/Caller]

The.

[Ben]

What she tells us about, like, the stats that I recited before about people who are incarcerated. And then more and more people are arriving, and we are. We actually also see that, like, that, like, Tamara and Emily had, like, a meeting. They. They, like, sat down after the cake party to discuss, like, their fight. And then. And Emily's like, you have to understand that, like, I just don't know if things go down with us, like, if you're just gonna, like, dig up stuff on me. That's what I think.

[Guest/Caller]

And someone's like, you can always trust me.

[Ben]

By the way, I met with Katie, your ash nemesis. See, there you are. Like, you just said, you're upset with me for not trusting you, and now.

[Ronnie]

You'Re proving my point. So Jen is asking Tamara how the meeting with Katie went.

[Guest/Caller]

She's like, it went well. I feel validated. And she told me some things. Things. But I don't feel comfortable telling you because you're friends with them. I'm gonna go tell them everything. I said.

[Ronnie]

She's like, so no. Okay. I'll just tell them this stuff then.

[Guest/Caller]

Okay, thanks.

[Ronnie]

But I like that Tamara calls it. And then she immediately goes, right, run. Running right over to Tattletale. So why would Tamara suddenly think that Katie is credible as a producer?

[Guest/Caller]

And she's like, well, the more timed went on, I was like, wow, she was set up by Chin and Gretchen because they were mean to me. And now that they've shown the Katie that they're not on their side, Katie's not sticking up for him anymore. So she's telling me what truly happened.

[Ben]

So Tamara's just going around being like.

[Guest/Caller]

I just don't want to be face to face with Gretchen Sled. I don't.

[Ben]

Eddie's like, I don't either. So, you know, he's just. He's so charismatic, that Eddie. And then. So guess what? Gretchen Slade arrive, and she's. They look kind of crazy, and they're all mixing and mingling, and so Emily's like, guess what? Tamara met with Katie.

[Guest/Caller]

Oh, really? So she went from this girl is dead to me to, I'm gonna be friends with her because she's gonna get me intel on Gretchen.

[Ben]

Yep.

[Ronnie]

She is just. She is so obsessed with you, Gretchen.

[Guest/Caller]

She is obsessed with you. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

Archie just pooped over there. Excuse me.

[Ben]

By the way, this is. This is why Gretchen will never excel with these feuds, because you've got to keep, like, you got to keep your wild cards in line, because the moment that you kick them to the curb, Tamara's gonna go pick it up and use it for herself. It's like a loaded gun. It's like those movies where there's two people fighting over a gun and someone drops the gun, the other person's gonna get it and turn around and they're the one in the power. You let Katie go, lady. Katie was your ally, and you should have just. You didn't handle it right. You got to keep your allies on your side when you're going up against Tamra.

[Ronnie]

Well, I mean, she was her ally, except for the whole telling Tamara that Gretchen accused her of date rape, drugging her.

[Ben]

But I'm saying she should have been like, you know what? Like, I didn't like that you said that. I understand that, you know, maybe it was a slip up or whatever. But yeah, like, you know what? I love you. Like, let's not make this be the end of her. But like, she basically. By kicking her to the curb. You gotta know that Tamra eventually is gonna. Is gonna take. Take it. What? Take what she can get.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Anthony talks about being unfairly incarcerated and not being educated in prison. So he's excited to go learn mechanic stuff. And so they raise 15 grand. And then there's some line dancing. And Shannon is typical. Just typical.

[Guest/Caller]

One foot in front. I'm gonna put this in the Trace Amiga show. What? It's crazy. I can't do it.

[Ronnie]

So then Emily gets up there and announces that Gina and Travis with the gated group LOL, have donated $5,000. And Terry's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. And she's like, oh, my God. Like, can a have a moment? Like, they're gonna out bro me. What the hell?

[Ben]

And, yeah, because, like, this is Gina's moment. For the first time ever, she has displayed some element of wealth by donating $5,000 to a cause. And Terry interrupts, like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Well, it's a wonderful event. He actually gets on stage and it's like, it's a wonderful event. I just want to say we're going to match with $5,000. I was like, you can't. Don't, don't step on Gina's literal poor moment. And not even like, if you're gonna do that, like, you gotta say $15,000. But if you're just gonna be the.

[Ronnie]

Same level as, you know, right. Like, if he, like, upped her, I think it was. I think he probably was gonna give more, but maybe that was his way of not one upping Gina, but, like, not giving more. But yeah, I think you're. I think he should have just done it. Silently, like, why do you need a applause for it? You're a zillionaire. This is a lot more money to Gina than it is is to you. You know, just give the check.

[Ben]

J is selling two bedroom houses to. To the elderly in senior living right now. Okay. Let her have her rich moment. Okay, like, you don't. You can't. Like, don't block her. Just to say you're giving the same amount. Like, you only block. I. If you're going to block, that means you got to give above and beyond. But if you're blocking to be like, I'm giving the same amount, that's just like, that's. I think that's actually worse than blocking and saying, I'm giving 500,000.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Terry Dubrow is always a douchebag, so he's sticking with that. But right when I thought he wasn't gonna one up Gina, he's like, but I'd also like to add in a box of these cookies because Heather doesn't want any of the gay kids being bullied for being fat. So please take these. Please take these as well.

[Guest/Caller]

Dammit.

[Ronnie]

So then now we're clicking, everybody's talking, and Tamara is talking with Elizabeth Vargas.

[Guest/Caller]

And she's like, I can't be around saying. And then question. I can't stand question. She's so fake.

[Ronnie]

And Elizabeth's like, no, she is. Tell me everything, girlfriend. Tell me everything.

[Ben]

Do you want to talk about my cult? We weren't on the same season, so I feel like I gotta catch you up on being in a cult.

[Ronnie]

It was great. So Jen and Ryan. Jen and Gretchen are talking with Slade and Ryan, and aggression's like, I'm gonna.

[Guest/Caller]

Go over to Tamara and ask what information she got about us with Slade. Wait, what?

[Ronnie]

No, I. I think you should go alone. I don't think you should take Slate. You should just go by yourself. Just go by yourself.

[Guest/Caller]

Nah, because he's bringing. She's bringing slaying into it, so I'm bringing Slate into it too.

[Ben]

That doesn't quite make sense, but okay, so now Tamara and Eddie and Emily are chatting and Tam is like, I don't know.

[Guest/Caller]

I know you're all over there, but, like, I just can't be around Slade. So I'm just gonna tell everyone here.

[Ben]

I can't be around Slade. Well, how could we move on from this?

[Guest/Caller]

We can't.

[Ronnie]

So then I just need to point out that Tamara did not bring Slade into this. Slade brought Slade into this.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

This is another Gretchen lie. Okay, go on.

[Ben]

Yeah, you're absolutely right. So Jan's talking to Heather and she's like, well, Gretchen and Slade are going to have to have a talk with Tama. Oh, I just saw them zoom right past me. It's kind of like when I said to Alfredo, why are these balls not at Nobu yet? And out he went very fast.

[Ronnie]

It's like someone dropped a dollar over there. Those two were just on it. Crazy. This is very intense. I feel bad watching, but I can't.

[Ben]

Look away, which is not something people say about Wendy Malik and any of her projects. So then Gina is like, this shit's, like, so uncomfortable. So now Slade and Gretchen, they walk in together, up, up to Tamra, and Gretchen's like, hi. Tamra's like, nah. She starts to run out of there.

[Guest/Caller]

Look, there she is running. There she goes. Gonna go grab Eddie. Yeah, run. Going to grab Eddie. Look at that. Run, run. Run for your life.

[Ben]

Yeah, I don't know what.

[Ronnie]

She's trashy. Like, I'm like, she doesn't know. She doesn't need to sit there and be confronted by your fucking husband. You're disgusting. And so is your husband brought out of here about her. Enjoy your one year back on the show, loser.

[Ben]

You guys brought up a whole rumor, a whole ass rumor about Tamara that you like. You like. What? What was Slade trying to get to the bottom of? I don't even remember at this point.

[Ronnie]

I guess the child support stuff, but that was a long time ago. Is she supposed to apologize to that stuff? Because it sounds like they're coming at her for this stuff, which they started. And she hasn't said anything to them about.

[Ben]

Yeah, so, well. Well, Gretchen is like. And leave me alone.

[Guest/Caller]

The trash says, dude, dude, whatever.

[Ben]

Their. Their voices are turned. Drinking the same for me. So Gretchen tells us, you know, I'm.

[Guest/Caller]

Not just gonna disengage. People that run are normally, like, trying to hide from the truth. So it proves that Tamara's guilty and she's talking about the. That she doesn't know about. And if you're talking about shit, some things that both Slade said, then take it up. And Slade, this guy right here, he did say it.

[Ronnie]

We were. We were there. He said it on camera. What are you talking about? Why are you making it sound like everybody's coming up with something? Gretchen, you fucking compulsive liar. Go follow. Go follow some other queer positive accounts right after you get called out for being a transphobic little asshole. I don't believe her. I don't want her on this show. I'M sick of having to watch her and her stupid slave's ass. Nobody has to sit here and fight with somebody's husband. Get the out of here, Gretchen. And take your slime ball with you. Gross. So.

[Ben]

So Tamara and Eddie are outside. She's like, you know, she's always trying to.

[Guest/Caller]

She's always trying to, like, you know.

[Ben]

Try to antagonize me. Which is funny because, I mean, Gretchen and Slater antagonizing Tamara right now. But, like, let's be honest.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

This is camera. Let's not.

[Guest/Caller]

Let's not get to.

[Ben]

Let's not totally forget the giant context of their relationship.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Yeah. None of this. None of this invalidates Tamara being awful as well. But in this situation, I mean, this is how bad it's gotten. Like, you get Gretchen the slate on the show, and now I'm rooting for Tamara. Like, what the hell kind of upside down world is this? What is the show trying to do to me?

[Ben]

Yeah. So Emily is like. Comes outside. Like, that was aggressive. I don't get why Slade gets so involved. Shane would. Shane wouldn't do that. I'm like, shane doesn't do anything, okay? He proposed the OMG chat.

[Ronnie]

So then he learned his lesson with Kelly Dodd.

[Ben]

Your twerp is what you are, you dork.

[Ronnie]

You little dork. The.

[Ben]

Tamara's telling us, if.

[Guest/Caller]

If she was coming up to apologize for what she did, then go for.

[Ben]

It, but it was all for attention. So then Tamara's like, when you have.

[Guest/Caller]

Someone that makes Ryan look good, that's an issue.

[Ben]

Which I was like, whoa. Ryan gets astray and all of this. And then they cut to Ryan just, like, cackling up by the bar.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then Slade is so. Emily's like, oh, yeah. Well, I just want you to know I appreciate you.

[Guest/Caller]

Okay.

[Ronnie]

Appreciate you. Okay. Weren't you gonna tell Tamara off for going to lunch with Katie? I mean, what the hell? So then we come back to the event, and Slade's like, oh, well, I didn't mean to drop a bomb, fellas. And the guys are all laughing.

[Ben]

Consider the bomb dropped. So Gretchen's like, why can.

[Guest/Caller]

Why can Tamara say whatever she wants about Slade? And then he can't address it.

[Ben]

It's like, because. Because the reason. The reason why he can't address it in this situation is, first of all, the two of you just walked up to Tamara. And second of all, it's like, what she said was off camera, and it was a while ago, and you're still, like. It's been, like, addressed many times since then. And you guys even addressed it on the beach. And Tamara actually did apologize for it. And the truth is, you guys brought in a new thing that blew up your whole peace treaty, and now you're gonna act like Tamara did something wrong, and that's just not the way it is. Don't make us stand up for Tamara.

[Guest/Caller]

But we will.

[Ben]

We will do that.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And if you don't like that, she's calling that. She called slade deadbeat dad 13 years ago. Just Google it. Because I just put Slade Smiley child support, and it says, following the death of his son Grayson In February 2023, Slade Smiley's ex partner, Michelle Arroyo, alleged that Smiley had not paid child support since 2019 and owed over $152,000. She also claimed that Smiley and his fiance, Gretchen Rossi, had a non existent relationship with Grayson and were using his death for self promotion. So you know what? Maybe you should like, corner Google. Corner Google at a party. Lame ass.

[Ben]

So Jen's like, well, I was trying to tell her, why, why. Why can't he address it? If. If. If it is what Katie was saying to Tamara about with Slay being on the phone. So. But the producer's like, well, producer tells Gretchen, you know, Slade does love to get involved because.

[Guest/Caller]

No, he really doesn't. I know everyone thinks this, but he gets involved because all the women talk about Slade, and yet, Sarah, we're the bad guys.

[Ronnie]

You talk about bad guys.

[Ben]

Did you not see the. Did you not see the. The. His, like, bit at the improv? Okay, it's not just that, like, oh, he's defending himself. He's an aggressor.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, he's gross. So you guys came in aggressively, and it makes me uncomfortable. And I'm aggressive. Especially when you come up with a man.

[Guest/Caller]

It's not about slave, for the love.

[Ronnie]

Of God, wonder when you come up with your six foot tall husband. That's aggressive.

[Guest/Caller]

And Gretchen's like, I'm done.

[Ronnie]

So now she walks off. So I wish somebody had been like, walk away. Run. I know.

[Ben]

So then, yeah, Gretchen, Slade leave. And Gretchen's complaining that Emily accused her of being aggressive. She's like, she's over it. But at least they raised $41,000 for the innocence Project, so there's that.

[Ronnie]

But.

[Ben]

Yep, this is. No, this is a real, like, scorched earth season. They're all just taking each other down ever in every way. It's a show.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, they need. They need to like, freshen up. They need some storyline to pull them through to the end. Because this is the shortest Orange county recap I think we've done in years. It's only 50 minutes, which for us is, like, really light.

[Ben]

Well, it's because they also just like, nice moving scenes in the episode of, like.

[Ronnie]

Oh, well, that's true.

[Ben]

They had, like. They had two different charity scenes. Three different charity scenes. And we're like, oh, anyway.

[Ronnie]

Next scene. That's true. But they do need to freshen up some plots here. I mean, they just filmed the reunion, what, yesterday or today or some? Yesterday, I think. So that means there's probably. What episode was this? Did I say.

[Ben]

Should I close? This is, I think, 12 or 13.

[Ronnie]

14.

[Ben]

14. They probably only have, like, three episodes. I'm going to assume the season's going to end in Amsterdam because, you know, sometimes there's more to the show than the trip. But I'm gonna say this ends at 16 or 17.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Okay. Well, let's see what happens, everybody. Have a great weekend over there. Thanks for being with us. We will be back Monday for Real Housewives of Potomac and then crappy hour at 4pm Pacific Time. Find links in Lincoln Bio, Amazon Live. What did I say?

[Ben]

Crappy hour, Amazon Live.

[Ronnie]

Oh, sorry. Amazon Live this week.

[Ben]

Sorry.

[Ronnie]

All right, everybody, thanks for being here. We'll talk to you next. Next time.

[Ben]

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